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String comment = "I'm going to install vinyl plank over existing tile throughout my 600 sqft condo. I don't want the grout lines to show through, so I'm going to use self leveling concrete throughout the entire place. I am buying an industrial drill, mixing attachment, and 8 gallon pan. Has anyone done this before? Am I a retard for trying to do this on my own?";

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414543 && dateTime=="06/27/18(Wed)23:46:15")

"tile anon here.

rip up the tile, scrape the floor clean, then lay the new flooring. Anything else is a mistake."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414546 && dateTime=="06/27/18(Wed)23:49:38")

">>1414543
What tools would you recommend for removing the tile?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414561 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)00:29:56")

">>1414521
Your floor will nearly an inch higher and it's likely going to be uneven. You need to get down to the subfloor and rebuild."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414563 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)00:32:38")

">>1414546
Not that anon but I'd recommend a sds drill, air hammer, or full on jack hammer."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414578 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)00:49:24")

"How many sq.ft is that in shipping containers?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414598 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)01:16:27")

">>1414521
Yup

And

>>1414543

Yup."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414600 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)01:17:21")

">>1414578
40 foot long

How many wide tho?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414608 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)01:25:29")

"fuck all these other people OP you can do it just make sure it's real watery and dont fuck with it after you also have to put it on in similar times so have someone help mix with you to make it go by faster after you get it all poured and level just let it settle don't fuck with it or you are going to cause it to come out uneven.

They way they are saying will cause a shit ton of dust and waste, it'll also be a shit load more work and still won't come out as level. as pouring self leveler everywhere.. you will have a little higher floor though"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414615 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)01:33:51")

">>1414521
>>1414608
bet you he ends up raising his floor level and finding it suspiciously difficult to put the vinyl planks underneath the door trim"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414622 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)01:42:03")

">>1414615
>bet you he ends up raising his floor level and finding it suspiciously difficult to put the vinyl planks underneath the door trim
i bet you he is able to cut the door trim with a jamb saw and plane any doors down a little on the bottom"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414775 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)09:40:32")

"overlay on existing tile is wrong approach, as other suggested demo existing, rent demo hammer at depot with blade bit, prep substraight and your good to go";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414776 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)09:43:53")

"Well if I'm going to take it down to the concrete, I may forgo the vinyl plank and just polish and seal the concrete instead. The point of this DIY was supposed to be simple and easy but I guess it never ends up that way.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414949 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:10:17")

"You can leave the ceramic there and just float the fucking floor with the concrete so long as you check clearances on doors. They also sell other products that work for this task. Are you gluing the vinyl or is it free-floating click lock stuff?

Makes no fucking difference what so ever and if you remove the ceramic you actually end up having huge gaps under everything, so don't listen to people harping on about ripping it out unless you take that into consideration. Them not mentioning it makes me think they don't do this shit for a living and are just hobbyists.

>>1414561
Show me this inch thick vinyl plank.

>>1414608
>>1414622
This is correct."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414964 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:34:04")

">>1414608
You're the kind of diy'er everyone hates. Just put in the required work and the result will be not only better but it will actually leave options for a future buyer and thus do your house value good."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414969 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:38:03")

">>1414964
>it will actually leave options for a future buyer
How so? Removing the ceramic doesn't make a difference now or after the vinyl is over it. Vinyl isn't an impenetrable barrier of kryptonite.
>required work
But it's not required at all.

Again, why speak if you don't know?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414971 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:41:13")

">>1414969
It's this kind of thought that leaves people digging out layer after layer of old shit because the floor is 5cm higher than it's supposed to be, like some kind of involuntary indoors palaeontologist"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414972 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:45:42")

">>1414971
>layer after layer
It's ceramic and vinyl plank, stop making it sound like a big deal. If you remove the ceramic you're going to have to remove and reinstall all of the baseboards and your doors are going to have huge fucking gaps, stop yapping, you don't know what you're talking about."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414981 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:53:19")

">>1414972
>you don't know what you're talking about
I've done multiple flooring projects and all of them have been done properly. You do what you want, but you're what's called a 'beunhaas' in my country."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414982 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:54:53")

">>1414981
I own a flooring store, kill yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414984 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:57:16")

">>1414982
>A professional with the quick and dirty mindset
That's even worse. Your kind is the worst. Bankrupt yourself"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414985 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)16:59:27")

">>1414984
25 years running and have never had a warranty call back, off yourself while I talk shit to you from the comfort of my office."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414996 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:11:15")

">>1414985
OP here. There is cement under the tile, would it be better to rip out the tile, smooth the concrete, and pour grey epoxy on top, or just float the vinyl over the existing tile?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1414999 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:16:06")

">>1414996
Smooth and pour epoxy to use as the final surface or before putting the vinyl plank?

Is it vinyl plank that butts up flush to itself or is it snap together with a PVC backing?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415001 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:23:59")

">>1414999
Epoxy as the surface layer

The vinyl plank is click lock with adhesive strips (trafficmaster from hd)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415002 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:30:01")

">>1415001
You don't need to use epoxy over the concrete if you rip out the tile. You can float it smooth with planipatch or something similar, which is a form of quick drying concrete.

I would not personally rip out the tile unless you were replacing the baseboards, painting walls, etc. because that is going to leave a huge gap everywhere as I have ranted about. You might be able to just go over the vinyl without even touching the ceramic. You can free-float the click locking stuff without using any adhesive, just don't leave too huge of a gap at the walls.

Questions:
>How thick is the grout?
>Any pics?
>Are you doing the entire condo or just certain rooms?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415003 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:32:55")

">>1415002
Also, is it this one?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/TrafficMASTER-Allure-6-in-x-36-in-Khaki-Oak-Luxury-Vinyl-Plank-Flooring-24-sq-ft-case-185312/206934038"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415006 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:40:25" && image=="Pixlr.jpg")

">>1415003
>>1415002
I'm doing the whole condo, no transitions

This is the best pic I have of it

And yes, it's that stuff"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415013 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)17:56:26")

">>1415006
>it's that stuff
Oof, you got hosed a bit. It's not bad looking but that 4 mil layer is really thin.

I would say maybe put together a few pieces and toss it over the ceramic, if you are ok with the feel then I wouldn't float it at all, I'd just lay it down over without adhesive since you are doing the whole condo and it's click lock so it shouldn't have any movement so long as you gap it properly. If by chance you do feel the grout voids, you can float the grout lines and you'll be good to go. Use a self leveling float like Schonox US or something similar.

If you do decide to take up the ceramic, you will want a rotary hammer and an air scraper, but you'll still have to float. The only advantage to this method is that you keep the floors low, but like I said you will have gaps and dust everywhere and it gets expensive to re-do those things if you want it to look clean. There's nothing WRONG with doing it this way, it's just a huge expense.

Your other option would be returning the vinyl plank that you got and getting another that has a PVC core on the back of it, which will null out the grout lines 100% and require no floating."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415018 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:03:25" && image=="6cb9f4033f[1].jpg")

">>1415014
>>1415016
Let me unfuck this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415021 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:07:17")

">>1415018
Can you give me some brand names for the pvc backed stuff? Part of the reason I'm replacing the tile is because the previous installers left huge gaps around the baseboards (not to mention like 8 different fucking patterns throughout the condo). Can I just pour in some cement to bring it up to the tile height?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415023 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:11:55")

">>1415014
This stuff? https://www.homedepot.com/p/LifeProof-Scratch-Stone-8-7-in-x-47-6-in-Luxury-Vinyl-Plank-Flooring-20-06-sq-ft-case-I473106L/300876921"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415025 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:14:45")

">>1415021
The one I posted is Shaw Floorte Classico, it will probably be called Lifeproof or some shit like that at Lowes or Home Depot, they rebrand products so that you can't shop them around. Most companies should make similar products though. All vinyl will have a "PVC backing", but this particular style is called a lifeproof core. Honestly, it's just thicker PVC with fiberglass tossed in it for rigidness, lol.

If you are willing to remove and reinstall the baseboards along with repaint the thin bottom edge that gets exposed, you don't need to worry about the height of the cement, only that it's smooth enough."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415026 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:17:15")

">>1415023
Yes, that's it but they rebrand it. As shown in the video, it is rigid so it uses an underlayment much like laminate or engineered woods, but can be put over grout lines.

That price isn't bad either, I pay $2.25-$2.89 for it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415029 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:24:06" && image=="20180628_172130[1].jpg")

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415030 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)18:25:13" && image=="20180628_172154[1].jpg")

">>1415029
"Lifeproof" aka "We don't want you to go to a Shaw dealer and buy it""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415063 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)19:36:51")

"Are you a flipper that has to put in gray colored wood look flooring to make it look hip? (Tile is $$$ and nicer).";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415064 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)19:38:00")

">>1415063
Yeah man, put ceramic so the next person that doesn't like the cheap ass shit will have to demo it out with a rotary hammer, lol."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415065 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)19:43:27")

">>1415064
I’m saying since he already has neutral tile down, it’s a better sell than horrible gray vinyl flooring—do a restoration cleaning and maybe regrout it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415066 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)19:44:41")

">>1415065
You could clean it, sure, but the vinyl I posted at least is not exactly bottom of the barrel stuff. Vinyl has come a long way in recent years and is not necessarily a budget thing anymore."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415086 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:14:38")

">>1415066
It is compared to tile."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415089 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:19:44")

"Stone flooring
Ceramic tile
Genuine solid wood flooring
Composite flooring
Linoleum
Vinyl sheet flooring
Wall to wall Carpeting

>in that order"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415097 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:28:13")

">>1415089
>in that order

What does this refer to?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415104 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:39:50")

">>1415097
Quality of flooring...

OP is going backwards."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415106 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:46:31")

">>1415086
False.
>>1415089
>linoleum
>sheet vinyl
Same thing. Also false.
Again, don't mind the ignoramuses. You are lucky enough to have someone in this thread that does it for a living and goes to conventions and trainings, etc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415107 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:51:05")

">>1415106
Also that sounds like I'm pretty up my own ass, so let me rephrase that. It is nice to have insider info on the matter from a professional standpoint."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415113 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:54:29")

">>1415106
Linoleum is clay and linseed oil...
Vinyl is a plastic product...

>to some that are chemically sensitive or environmentalists, that make linoleum better."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415115 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)20:59:00")

">>1415106
>goes to conventions

Getting drunk in the hospitality suites for a weekend...

>and trainings

Got his highest score on Candycrush every during trainings...

>etc.

Obviously a bullshit etc. just put there to look uppity."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415120 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)21:02:47")

">>1415113
Yes you are correct, it is made from natural materials, but it's the same formats as vinyl sheet and vinyl square goods and shares the same weaknesses. One is not inherently better than the other unless you're coming from an environmental view and even then I could argue that the vinyl is recyclable and made from recycled materials.

Saying that one product is better than the other is like arguing car manufacturers. Each type of flooring has it's good and bad products.


>>1415115
There's a lot that you learn when you're in the business and visit the plants vs. your average prosumer that googles. It did sound uppity, which is why I posted the retraction."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1415213 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)00:38:31")

">>1414776
Sorry anon, floors aren't often fun, and I don't really recommend diy them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416006 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)06:59:24")

">>1414521
>condo
>doing work on it
Rofl

Don't forget to pay your HOA"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416010 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)07:06:42")

">>1415213

This. I would hire this shit out, because it seems like a major PITA, with nothing fun involved. I don't have a masochistic need to DIY every horrible job."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416076 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)10:01:08")

">>1414546

A crowbar or tile removal tool to rip up the tile. Then some kind of strong scraping tool or power tool for the bits that will be left"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416078 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)10:03:49")

">>1414996

Tile anon again. Trust me, rip up the old stuff. Putting floor on top of floor is gonna cause problems in the long run. Don't do it. Ripping up an old tile floor is not that hard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416082 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)10:07:19")

">>1415089

I disagree. Flooring choices depend on needs. For families fake wood floors and carpet in the bedrooms is the way to go."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416114 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)11:06:16")

">>1414546
Roofing shovel"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416121 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)11:15:57")

">>1414521
If you just want the cheapest quick fix, put down laminate. Much more rigid than vinyl, no grout lines.

My parents had this done in the kitchen because they don't see themselves living (there) for very long any more."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416407 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)20:32:21")

">>1414521
Put down 3/4 inch foam you get over in the carpet isle then slap the vinal planks over the top. Gives the floor an even and soft feel and auto levels your floor. Plus if you ever want to put carpet in later the foam is already installed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416420 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)20:46:33")

">>1416078
>tile anon
Show me your sales tax permit, otherwise fuck off, hobbyist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416493 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)23:39:46")

"Op here, I'm going to take out the tile and see what shape the concrete is in and maybe just etch and seal it. Fuck, I don't know, all the advice I get on this project is mixed. I didn't want to take out the tile but it's like 70/30 saying to take it out";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416777 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)12:23:19")

">>1416493
You're going to have to float the fucking floor even more if you take the tile out bro. There is going to be thinset and chipping all over the God damned place, you only take up ceramic if you're putting down more tile or a solid hardwood.

Stop listening to these idiots that don't know fuck all about what they're saying. I literally do this every day for a living and am telling you to just use a self leveler with latex based material or a fucking core style LVT and forget the floating all together."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416784 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)12:32:30")

">>1416493
What’s objectionable about the tile in place?

(Get a real mop and a real ringer bucket from a restaurant supply or home center)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416787 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)12:37:40" && image=="20180701_113150-picsay.jpg")

">>1416777
20 years at this same location to back it up and show you I'm not just some shitposter saying to leave it to get a laugh."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416812 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)13:32:44")

">>1414543
Not OP, but gonna replace some vinyl sheet flooring glued to concrete slab. I think it's many decades old. I'm thinking ceramic tile or vinyl plank. Should I scrape off the old vinyl sheet or just lay plywood over it? Or would I even need the plywood?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416831 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)14:21:21")

">>1416812
Not that LARPing fag, but you should scrape off the old vinyl and float any huge imperfections. Small ones can be gone over with the thinset and ignored when installing the tile.

Don't need plywood or cement fiber board, etc. unless you're installing over wooden subfloors."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416848 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)14:49:20")

">>1416787
>20180701_113150-picsay.jpg
>picsay
weak bait"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1416893 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)15:46:46")

">>1414546
Yass SDS hammer action The tile will crack and shatter. Then scrap some of the grout off the floor. Then use Self leveling fill compound"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417022 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)19:31:09")

">>1416784
It was done poorly, looks like shit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417029 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)19:38:19" && image=="20180629_174242.jpg")

"You could just use self leveller over all the tile. Pretty easy compared to busting up all the tile and hauling all of it out.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417048 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)20:20:49")

">>1416848
>bait
It's to resize the picture so that this Korean immigrant message board will upload the picture, do you even know what picsay is?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417062 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)20:42:49")

">>1414521

buy some 2-3 mm underlay, then install over tiles.

fuck ripping up the tiles."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417068 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)20:52:21")

"then again if your really keen on pulling up the tiles.

Spray floor liberally with hot water, wait an hour or so for adhesive to soften, scrape up with a straight edge flat shovel, should just come right up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417083 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)21:08:32")

">>1417068
>spray water all over the floor
Don't do this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417167 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)00:05:53")

">>1416493

Alright let me post this one more time.

I've layed tile for the last 5 years.

You SHOULD rip up the tile before putting something on top. It's not THAT hard.

Even if you can make everything work the floor will be too high. You'll have a step up where it meets all other floors. Guess what, when you go to sell the home the new buyer is gonna notice and go "hmmm there's a Frankenstein mess of God knows what in this floor" I don't want to buy this.

Floor it properly or suffer in the long run."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417169 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)00:06:56")

">>1416777

Even if he can make it work, what's he gonna do about the height difference between the floors?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417208 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)01:27:47")

">>1417068
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Get out of here, they're not adhesive tiles, he said he didn't want the grout lines to show."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417300 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)07:36:58")

">>1417167
>>1417169

It's going down throughout the whole condo"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417363 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)09:59:06")

">>1417167
If you read it, as the other anon said, it's going to be on every floor in the condo. There are no steps anywhere. Even if there was a different floor, how big of a "step" is a 4 mil LVT gonna have? That's what reducers are for btw.

You may claim 5 years experience but I highly doubt it if you don't even know how minimal the height on even the thickest LVT is. 20 years in one location installing and selling every floor covering made besides natural stone and I've never ripped up a bunch of tile unless the customer asked for a simple LVT or carpet install. I'm not trying to be insulting here, maybe you are a tile installer, but you are giving poor advice and insisting on it without having a full understanding."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417643 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)17:42:10")

">>1417363
>Even if there was a different floor, how big of a "step" is a 4 mil LVT gonna have?

Mils correspond to the wear level, not the thickness of the plank. Most planks are 8mm thick with mil layers ranging from 4 to 30."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1417810 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)00:26:01")

">>1417363

Ok well I am understanding better now that if it's an entire floor it's less of an issue.

But if there is any mold, cracking, issues with that tile flooring and you put the new flooring on top, then issues from the floor under will cause issues on the floor on top in the long run.

I suppose if I knew it was properly tiled, and I knew everything was good long term, then you could get away with putting the vinyl on top.

I've just seen so many homes where people put flooring on top of flooring and in the long run it went bad."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418065 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)11:36:25")

">>1416831
>scrape off the old vinyl
Any concerns with asbestos? From what I've read it's almost guaranteed to have asbestos in it being this old."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418102 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)12:39:48")

">>1417643
Yes, dumdum, but the wear layer makes it thicker as a direct correlation. The PVC backing does not get thinner because the wear layer increases. A 4 mil is about as thin of a product is made, which is why I recommended the return of the product in favor of something else at the price of $1.79/ft."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418106 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)12:47:17")

">>1418065
Generally tiger grip, which was the most prevalent type of adhesive that had the asbestos issue, is dark black in color. You could get it tested to be sure, but it would be more of a hassle because if you find it you will be required to have it removed by a licensed contractor, etc.

In most cases, I have the client sign a disclosure that waives the issue if they decide to skip this step. Only time I would really concern myself with it is if it were being used as a rental or something where someone besides the owner was inhabiting the home. That's when you could be opened up to lawsuits and all that. My city allows this however, so you would need to check your local laws to be sure."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418221 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)15:32:14")

">>1418102
wut

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, stop LARPing"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418258 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)16:21:39")

">>1418221
>wut
Do you not know how to read? I'm sorry that you are retarded."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418265 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)16:25:01")

">>1417022
Show us..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418270 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)16:26:16")

">>1414543
tile anon doesn't work very often just sayn"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418439 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)23:04:29")

">>1414546
Power saw with diamond blade. Use pick axe or chisel and hammer to remove the stubborn parts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418526 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)02:14:18")

">>1417029
That's going to make twice the mess when it needs to be ripped up to be done properly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418674 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)11:44:21")

">>1418526
>properly
That is the proper way, autist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419020 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)20:50:10")

">>1418106
Interesting. I had never heard of needing a permit to remove something from inside your home. I mean, it makes sense, still weird though.

The adhesive on my tile is in fact dark black, so everything points to asbestos. I sure as hell am not going to pay to have a licensed person remove it, unless it's cheap as hell."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419263 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)11:11:11")

">>1419020
You need permits because it's a hazardous material. If you're not sure and don't care to know, just go over it and feign ignorance as to what it was. It's not really a huge danger unless it's breathed in via the dust, etc.

Wear a respirator."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419309 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)12:26:13")

"Jesus, this thread.

>>1419020

"encapsulation" is an approved remediation method. It's also just a fancy word for "go over it".

Asbestos removal is hazardous as fuck, because you're disturbing it, and the fibers start floating around...

But leaving it in place, and covering it with something that prevents it getting damaged or disturbed, is perfectly safe.

,"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419313 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)12:32:09")

">>1414543
>>1414561
>>1414615
>>1414775
>>1414964
>>1414971
>>1414981
>>1414984
>>1416407
>>1417167
>>1417169
>>1418526

seriously, dude, shut up and go sit down somewhere; the adults are trying to have a conversation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419315 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)12:35:38")

">>1419313
>ghe, clearly kids nowadays don't appreciate the quick and dirty approach nowadays"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419348 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)13:27:22")

">>1419315
Every post shouts "zero real world experience".

If someone was proposing to lay new tile over old tile, you'd have a point.

If someone was proposing to lay new tile over existing vinyl plank, or laminate, you'd really have a point.

But in this case - literally the WHOLE POINT of vinyl / lam plank flooring, is that it can go over existing flooring, with minimal prep. This isn't just the correct way to do it, it's WHAT IT'S FOR."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419366 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)13:50:21")

">>1419348
>>1419309
Based other guy that finally knows what he's talking about."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419384 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)14:29:20")

">>1414521

For all that buggery why not get engineered wood floors. They're kind of s plywood construction but the plys are 1/8" to 1/4" thick. Doesn't warp, looks like regular planks and is solid wood.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=engineered+wooden+flooring&client=ms-android-motorola&prmd=simvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqwNqvy4jcAhVIBsAKHUqdC_MQ_AUIEigC&biw=360&bih=512&dpr=3"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419684 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)22:35:01")

">>1419384
Engineered flooring is not "solid wood" my man.

The difference between engineered and solid wood is that solid is just that, a plank made out of a single solid cut of wood. Engineered is a plywood core with a hardwood veneer (layer) over it. It can still very much warp, though it is less prone than say an MDF core laminate, and it "looks like regular planks" because it's the same exact joinery with the exception of being able to be free floating or glued down thanks to the "engineered" portion of it that is more flexible as far as moisture and expansion tolerances.

They still have the drawbacks that solid wood has as far as maintenance and not being a great idea for a house that has a lot of kids or pets that are dickheads. Solid wood, however, has the added bonus of being able to be sanded down to bare wood and restained in the event that you want to change the color or if it happens to get scratched or dinged to hell. Engineered floors cannot due to the veneer being thin, you would just burn through it with a sander and ruin it.

This is not to say that engineered wood isn't good, it can be, but more to dispel this misinformation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419926 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)08:36:37")

">>1414543
tile patterns?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421540 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:50:38")

"OP here, just started ripping out the tile. Fun stuff.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421558 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:21:49")

">>1421540
Dumb AF"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421607 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:28:22")

">>1421540
So did you need a CNC mill like people were suggesting or did it work just as well with a fucking hammer"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421608 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:28:43")

">>1419309
Leaving it in place and installing something over it was what I had heard previously was the way to go. At this point I'm pretty much set on just covering with thinset + ceramic tile."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421622 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:54:15")

">>1421607
$99 rotary hammer and a 3in sds chisel bit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421743 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:49:24")

">>1414521
Pro here. Literally can just put vinyl over tile without issues.
Scraping and removing us normie tier and would most likely require the subflooring to be brought up 7/16 of inch"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421748 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:58:48")

">>1421743
Well I already went ahead and started taking out the tile. I think I'm going to forgo the vinyl plank and prep the concrete slab and put down dark grey 100% solids epoxy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422249 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:41:54" && image=="9468473F-F558-4521-8427-B0E7EE1563B0.jpg")

"OP, you did the right thing. I was planning on being lazy and just doing vinyl over tile, but whoever laid the tile in the first place was a real retard and the floor was not level, making this option even more unappealing.
I ripped off the tile, leveled over the remaining thinset, and now have a beautiful ceramic kitchen floor.
Pic related"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422254 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:47:26" && image=="3353D0A7-611F-43D9-A6D0-772382FA93BC.jpg")

"post Pics of your project op";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422256 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:48:35")

"This was the floor before we leveled it btw. I was just trying out the diamond pattern here";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422261 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:00:16")

">>1414546
Air hammer for the tile itself, then a hand grinder for the quickset and grout."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422357 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:44:15")

">>1422261
I'm using a rotary hammer for the tiles and will rent a floor polisher with the concrete prep blade on it from home Depot

Got about half the tile out so far, just waiting for my dumpster to get emptied to finish the rest"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422360 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:45:53")

">>1422249
What did you level with? I'm going to try and just grind the concrete slab as level as I can and let the 20 mil of grey epoxy hopefully level the rest"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422972 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:15:56")

">>1422249
>those gaps
>giving advice"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423537 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:40:19" && image=="IMG_20180707_101758394_HDR-COLLAGE.jpg")

">>1422254
Got all the tile ripped up, headed to the dump today, then will hit the thinset again and vacuum before I grind the concrete"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423589 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)11:56:56")

">>1423537
We don't care."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423966 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:31:30")

">>1423537
OH THAT WAS THE TILE? I would have just left that down and put the LVT over it. Man, you should have just started with a picture of your floor, not some asshole making a big mess."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423967 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:32:46")

">>1423966
Tile anon here.

Yeah you fucked up, should have left it. My bad."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424132 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:55:23")

">>1423966
>>1423967

Oh well, I think I'm going to go with epoxy floors now so the tile needed to come up anyway. It only costed me about $250 to take it out + some hard labor. Epoxy will run me about $700 so the total will be half the cost of LVP materials alone."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424249 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:20:57")

">>1424132
Tile anon here.

Epoxy won't work on those floors."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424316 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:51:53")

"Tile anon here.

Don't listen to these pretenders."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424329 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:11:33")

">>1423537
That was a nice floor. Too bad you destroyed it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424334 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:14:51")

">>1423537
So you had marble floors and now you’re going to paint the concrete? Boy you’re a fucking moron. Way to lower the condo value."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424479 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:02:55")

">>1424132
$250 for demo? What the hell man, go to harbor freight next time and get a hammer and crowbar. What's the matter with you man? You shouldn't be doing anything on your own.

>>1423967
All the flooring guys are going to come back in here and say the same thing lol. Why wouldn't you show us the project before doing something so rash.All the pictures posted were on nonsense, then AFTER demo he posts his previously beautiful floor."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424607 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:39:02")

"Tile anon here.

Shits fucked my bro."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424627 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:04:33")

">>1416006
what about his rooftop marijuana garden slash cuck shed?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424628 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:05:51")

">>1416407
HAH what are you even on my dude? ever hear of surcharge? like furniture my dude. fuck offfff "if you ever want to put carpet in later" HAH"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424631 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:11:20")

">>1423589
???? manchild why are you in this thread"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424637 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:23:14")

"OP here. The tile was shit, it looked like shit and was installed terribly. It's gone now. Thinset is gone now. I am renting a concrete grinder on Monday to prep the surface for dark gray epoxy. I am putting a satin polyurethane coat on top. It's going to be awesome. In hindsight I would've just installed LVP over the tile. But the result I'm going to get now will be cheaper, last 10x longer, and look modern as fuck, which is how the condo will be styled. The only drawback is that it was a lot of hard fucking work.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424652 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:56:17" && image=="bully-tools-floor-scrapers-strippers-91300-64_1000.jpg")

">>1424637
>I am renting a concrete grinder on Monday to prep the surface

M8 are you taking the piss? You're not even asking for help anymore and just pissing away money.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Bully-Tools-Floor-Bully-6-in-Flooring-Scraper-91300/100188949?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal2_rr-_-100067461-_-100188949-_-N"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424686 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:14:26")

">>1424652
Do you honestly believe that thing will be able to effectively prep concrete for epoxy? Are you high or just like giving bad advice?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424688 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:16:21")

">>1424334
>marble floors"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424697 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:25:22")

">>1424686
Done it bro, you've never used one? Shit chips apart like hard boiled eggshell."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424705 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:36:18")

">>1424697
For epoxy to bond to the concrete you have to have a perfectly even surface, roughed to about 120 grit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424906 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:51:24")

"Tile anon here.

OP taking the piss."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424976 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:42:41")

">>1414775
>>1414543
suppose its asbestos tile? cant he just cover it for future generations to remove?

>>1414996
>cement under the tile
>I want to install vinyl
>i dont want to polish and stain the concrete to have the worlds best flooring surface that's easy to clean. and have a central floor drain so i can piss all over my house then hose it down once a week.

maybe im autistic but i think hospital/prison shower flooring is the only reasonable flooring to consider"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424977 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:47:46")

">>1424976
>i don't want to polish and stain
Not that it isn't a possibility, but cement is porous and sometimes you can't just remove the stains from the adhesive, moisture, etc. that has been there prior. It won't look the same as fresh cement that has the same treatment, sadly.

You are right though, it is essentially one of the easiest floors to maintain and gives you great benefits at a relatively low cost in comparison. I wish I knew how to do it better, but it's not a common request so I haven't been able to consider myself a "pro" with that specific flooring job."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424979 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:50:04")

">>1424976
>maybe im autistic but i think hospital/prison shower flooring is the only reasonable flooring to consider
You are, but I am too and that is the GOAT flooring. Lasts forever and easy to clean."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424988 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:05:13")

">>1419309
its not really that dangerous. except for loose fill. its just that you shouldnt bash apart intact tiles with a SDS hammer like hammertime anon suggests.

>>1419684
if you're that cheap, just buy the darkest laminate then touch it up with a black marker when it gets scratched. srsly tho faggots who buy this stuff mention it every three seconds you're in their house. be careful of our floors dont scratch! its like if you install that product it releases some kind of gas that deletes every part of your vocabulary except those related to worshipping the floor.

>>1422249
this looks terrible but i like your illuminati tiles except for how you fucked up in the far corner and you didnt respect the rule of hiding the shitty hacked up spare area filling tile on an edge that you look at the least.

why did you put three black tiles together in the far corner?

>>1423966
just letting you know that you need to rent a special vaccuum if it had asbestos in it otherwise you're spraying your living area with asbestos fibers enjoy.

>>1424637
glad you saw reason and joined the cult of living the dream. please tell me you are painting a foot up the wall as well and adding a floor drain for when you want to hose down your scat parties."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1425051 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:14:37")

">>1424976
>>1424988
You two can leave, the 18" ceramic tiles anon ripped up were clearly NOT 9" black adhesive backed asbestos. Please see yourself out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1425094 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:32:03")

">>1424976
I would love polished concrete but the slab is kind of a mess and polishing it to that level is VERY expensive. I can get a similar look with excellent durability using tinted epoxy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1425164 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:03:04")

"Tile anon here.

Just finished jacking off to some tranny porn and could have used that floor drain."
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