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import 4.code.about;

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String fullTitle = "/diy/ - Do-It-Yourself";
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class Thread extends Board{
public void /eg/ElectricianGeneral(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "/eg/ Electrician General";
int postNumber = "1418685";
String image = "Electrician_Trainees.jpg";
String date = "07/04/18(Wed)12:06:50";
String comment = "Come on my electricians and apprentices. Post your tools and dumb/cool shit you see on the work site.

HVAC is also welcome"
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}
public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418688 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)12:09:21")

">>1418685
Not a sparky but the girl is cute"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418700 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:18:36")

">>1418685
apprentice here, i hung a ceiling fan from straight up drywall with panheads yesterday. i don't think my boss is a hack, but he's definitely a boomer"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418701 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:19:04")

">>1418688
you mean the black one?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418703 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:20:25")

">>1418685
Those gloves are disgusting. I would sweat and blister in 10 minutes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418704 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:21:22")

">>1418685
What's a starting apprentice salary?

I'm 30 and sit in an office all day getting dagged at by utter cunts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418706 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:25:45")

">>1418701
As if, anon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418707 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:25:46" && image=="mainflukescopemeter.jpg")

">>1418685
I'm starting as an electrician this month.

Not construction but factory-job, 85% of my job will be figuring out why something isn't working. The other 15% will be small upgrades/repairs and maintenance.

After 10 years of production work and multiple years of evening classes, this feels good.

Higher wage, no more heavy lifting or physically demanding, more respect, no more dealing with the usual retards that work in production.

I've worked in construction as well but that was boring as hell, puling cables and stuff. Did help me develop some DIY skills since I had never even held a screwdriver before."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418708 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:27:15")

">>1418703
you need them though if you are going to insist on working without looking."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418710 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:28:39")

">>1418704
Not salary but typically around 13-18 per hour full time.

With some experience that can quickly go up to 20+ per hour, with some of the most experience ones making like 50+ per hr"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418714 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:30:46")

">>1418710
Most experienced electricians I meant to say. As a apprentice you'll rarely get more than 20 if ever"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418716 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:32:35")

">>1418710
Shit. And it takes 2-4 years to reach journeyman?

May be worth it. I make $35/hr (salaried) and want to blow my brains out. Don't do anything, don't make anything - just the dancing monkey for dumbasses."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418717 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:34:15")

">>1418716
you'd take a pretty big pay cut, but the work is really rewarding."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418719 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:35:03")

">>1418717
At least to start out, but my wife makes the same and I could make it up with OT until I get back to $35/+"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418720 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:38:07")

"Electricians are bitches";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418721 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:39:08")

">>1418720
The bitches who keep the power running."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418722 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:40:53")

">>1418719
It's a really good trade to get into. Even if you don't stay in it for your whole career, knowing how to wire up a house is a very useful skill."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418723 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:41:11")

"I was an FC in the Navy, do I count as an electrician? I can install plugs like a pro.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418724 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:42:35")

"The trades are awesome to be honest. I'm in IT but I'd consider it for a second career choice. Frankly IT is boring 90% of the time and if you go to an IT conference 90% of everyone there is fat as fuck.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418725 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:42:59")

">>1418722
I helped my uncle (out of state electrician) upgrade my panel from 60 to 200. Was really cool. I've run a subpanel. 3 and 4 way switches come kinda easy to me too fwiw."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418726 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:44:00")

">>1418723
Not really, but it definitely gives you a leg up on others starting out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418730 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:48:51")

">>1418724
I know what you mean. The IT guys at my college are all fat neckbeards with hair down to their lower back. One of them was wearing cargo pants with pockets down to his ankles."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418731 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:49:56")

">>1418725
Yeah, if you can think about the pathways in your head, it all comes pretty naturally."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418736 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:56:14" && image=="20180607_115224.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418737 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:56:24" && image=="A33rhAf.jpg")

">>1418685
>HVAC
Is this job field good? Anybody have any advice for a guy who is kind of interested in it? Does it pay well? Is it easy to learn and pick up?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418738 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:59:26" && image=="Richard_Stallman_at_Pittsburgh_University.jpg")

">>1418730

That's just a meme, bro."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418742 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)14:04:31")

">>1418737
I personally wouldn't do it. You're gonna be working in places with broken A/Cs and by the time you fix it you gotta leave."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418743 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)14:08:10")

">>1418707
Any other people here who do this kind of fault finding jobs?

What''s it like? Tips?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418744 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)14:11:25")

"I'd love to work with industrial automation, PLC's and that sort of thing.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418747 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)14:13:46")

">>1418742
Thanks for the feedback bro."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418765 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)14:50:33")

">>1418716
Can’t you just sit on your phone all day then?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418781 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)15:04:30")

">>1418743
>fault finding jobs

In my experience, you have to work under pressure for those kinds of jobs because your boss wants X products to be produced in Y amount of time. If you take too long to verify whether or not something is good, it'll hold up the line."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418805 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)15:29:31")

">>1418781

Every job out there, in the private sector, is under pressure. Basic economics"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418823 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:01:46")

"Are trades like this worth? I'd really love a job where i get to do things rather than sit in an office.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418826 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:06:44")

">>1418781
I understand what you mean but I am confident in my own abilities(every electrical class I was always top student, even when there were actual technicians in the class) , especially since they pay a lot I'm willing to take on the stress"
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if(Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1418829 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:09:53" && image=="5C41DE25-2EA2-4AB7-B1E7-EC155209F5D0.jpg")

"Best value clamp meter that will read AC + DC current?

Pic related is $80 at Lowes, HF has the Ames AC/DC clamp for $80, Klein is ~$125 on HD’s website, some Extech options in between those, or a few Amazon options for ~$50.

400A should be fine for household and automotive, right? Anything I’m missing?

Fuck I wish I knew what happened to my dad’s Flukes when he died a couple years back."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418834 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:17:44")

">>1418703
>noticing the gloves rando idiot in pic is wearing
First thing I see is some nitwit jabbing a screwdriver into something most likely carrying virtually infinite amounts of e-'s that are impatiently searching for a more convenient path and all the while grabbing the shank and looking retardedly at anything else, but ...
>>1418708
I hear the insulated variety are uber sexy ya"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418835 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:19:38")

">>1418834
>First thing I see
second thing you see should have been big red tag to the right of her helmet"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418844 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:35:00")

">>1418835
>been big red tag

trusting big red tags installed by affirmative action brigage

ISHGIGGYDIDGGY NOPE"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418846 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:39:24")

">>1418829
You can buy a good fluke at home depot for $80, does a.c./DC, up to 240v if I remember. Southwire is ok, fluke is better, and I wouldn't trust anything else that you can buy at a normal store the."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418849 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:41:00")

">>1418685
Heavy Commercial sparky here - I love my job"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418852 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:42:52")

">>1418829
For testing tools, always go Fluke"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418854 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:44:48")

">>1418829
I have one of those along with a Fluke 325 and Edison (i dunno the model).

It does everything the Fluke can and more. Just as tough too. It's replaced the 325 in my bag as my everyday meter. There's no reason not to use it at 1/3rd the price. Still keep the Fluke in the truck as a backup."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418860 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:52:51")

">>1418852
I dare you to go buy a T5 and try it. Fluke is on a downhill slide my friend."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418906 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)17:54:13")

">>1418805
yea but troubleshooting existing lines is especially under pressure. The company hiring you expects to have a minimal downtime, depending on your field a hour downtime or a few broken objects can mean tens to hundreds of thousands of loss.
Meanwhile, building new production lines has often time buffers of weeks to months. Slacking sometimes is not as big of an issue"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418978 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)20:07:31")

">>1418835
Ya, but that don't make my reply as poignant now do it. Good catch. Still looks like some chicom doodad hawkin' low rent snap straight outta the whitecap catalog."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418979 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)20:08:39")

">>1418854
Model no. on that Edison?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1418981 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)20:14:43")

">>1418829
That southwire one is decent if you're a first or second year apprentice, but the higher up you get, you'll need a fluke."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419085 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)01:34:29")

">>1418701
the black one is a girl?
so much manface"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419087 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)01:47:02")

">>1418701

Woah shit! I just noticed she was a chick, hahaha"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419088 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)01:48:44")

">>1418823

Seconding this. Is it worth doing? Currently studying philophy at university and I need a Plan B."
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if(Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1419129 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)05:18:07")

">>1418981
I might grab that one eventually. The price seems right at $80 and it’s from a local store so I can always bring it back if I get home and it doesn’t work.

>>1419088
It’s more physical than an office job, and probably won’t be 9-5 but more like 6-4. Possibly the biggest downside is that it’s not as easy to climb the corporate ladder as some white collar ass kissing office boy. Unless you start your own business, you will always be a tech. But you can still gain experience over time and try to specialize so you’re in demand and can make 6 figures."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419211 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)09:30:14")

">>1418685
> Electrician
> Carrying around a non-insulated screwdriver"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419231 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)10:12:07" && image=="s-l1600.jpg")

"Just bought my first DMM did I goof? £70";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419232 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)10:12:22")

">>1419211
>using insulated screwdrivers
>not just going at everything while it's still live
>not risking it all for the sake of efficiency"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419235 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)10:13:36")

">>1419231
Doesn't have the clamp on ammeter, but aside from that looks fine."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419236 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)10:15:47")

">>1418743
always always overbudget time, you're far better being early than on time. They have something broken, and you don't have a clue, and probably won't repeatedly as you begin diagnostics so always give twice as much time and seem like a genious"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419251 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)10:53:11")

">>1419129

Thanks. What specialties do you recommend?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419277 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)11:39:53")

"can you crimp insulated terminals with non-insul crimpers?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419355 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)13:35:00")

">>1419251
Siemens PLCs. You can literally work anywhere in the world and make mega bucks."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419373 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)13:58:19")

"Should I take some community college courses first before looking to be a apprentice electrician ? I have no fucking idea how this works but I look forward to being a toasty fried dead fucker in my future.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419391 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)14:44:05")

">>1419277
is this a real question?
crimpers are just two bits of metal that squeeze together.
an insulated crimp is going to be larger than an uninsulated crimp the same size because of the layer of insulation.
so the insulated crimp won't fit in the uninsulated crimping jaws. but if you go up a size of jaws and it crimps ok then its ok."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419394 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)14:48:09")

">>1419373
Take classes on industrial and commercial electricity and apply for electrical apprentice/helper jobs. Most people take classes and work as the same time where I live, but it makes it a bit easier to start out if you have some schooling."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419421 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)15:41:39" && image=="1497242641293.jpg")

"untrained normie here. Want to try applying for an apprenticeship but I don't don't shit about electronics and I know I'll just get passed up.
Anyway, I noticed the Lincoln tech in my area and some colleges had programs to "prepare you" for careers in electrical work and I was considering taking them, but everyone says their scams. So how did YOU guys get into your positions/apprenticeships? I'm lost."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419424 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)15:45:11")

">>1419421
I didn't even read the thread. Someone asked the same thing. nevermind."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419426 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)15:45:40")

"Just got back from my local IBEW, they told me it would be over a year to get in for the apprenticeship. They just finished the interview stage and applications won't stop until next year of march for the next wave. They did say i can work as a construction wirer if i pass a basic apprentice/helper state test. Pays close to 13 an hour. Anyone have experience with that? I plan on doing that for a year until its open and hitting the apprentice program. How consistent is the work as a non apprentice?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419476 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:31:19" && image=="Untitled.jpg")

"Are Russians completely retarded?


Get some damn wago connectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOKhfVON4Y"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419479 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:36:41")

"Plumber here";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419484 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:37:29")

">>1419476
His method is a lot cheaper and hot damn if that isn't a good connection."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419486 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:38:32")

">>1419479
How do? I hear its a good trade. Looking to get my foot in the door."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419492 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:44:45" && image=="IMG_20180705_174324.jpg")

">>1418685
Looking to wire up a control panel next to a propane burner. Is 13" too close?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419495 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:46:43" && image=="IMG_20180619_160916.jpg")

">>1419492
Actual build"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419500 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)17:56:26")

">>1419484
>high stress on solid core
>COPPER
i don't care how the fuck you residentals join your wires, but the twisting with a drill is borderline criminal"
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if(Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1419523 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)18:37:12" && image=="01ADBAA7-DCB2-4AC2-BFE6-FB49786CB448.jpg")

"I did a thing. Now I’m ready to burn the house down!

I need to find one of those outlet splitter things, the ones that plug into the outlet and then plug the device into it so you can read the + or - and don’t need to rip apart the cord. They didn”t sell them at Lowe’s but there’s a bunch on Amazon for like $15."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419524 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)18:39:22")

">>1419523
I bought one of those a few years ago, used it exactly once and now I'm not even sure where it is."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419563 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)19:33:51")

">>1419486
It’s been pretty good to me, got done with my apprenticeship and am journeyman level now. Currently doing large hospital/commercial construction. But I have dabbled in everything from residential service, custom home construction, high rise construction, as well as hopsital service/construction. It’s a great skill to have. Not nearly as many plumbers as electricians. So there is a lot more demand."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419589 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:00:29")

"is industrial manteinance career a meme? wanted to get a technical degree, not a full engineer one";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419596 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:05:43" && image=="raziel spiderman.jpg")

">>1418701

I legit thought the white girl was the obvious token female in the pic. I didn't even realize there were two of them until you pointed it out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419597 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:06:00")

">>1419589
Guaranteed job here in Belgium with technical education"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419615 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:39:36" && image=="Main-bldg-elec-rm-e1461208428753.jpg.pagespeed.ce.BAZysXgDbf.jpg")

">>1418685
13 year sparky here, foreman for about 8 of those years.
I do commercial buildings, schools, libraries, doctors offices, police stations, strip malls, banks ect... I hate doing restaurants

Here is a pic of an electrical room I started while on a $4million electrical job.. too big for me honestly.
the feeds on the left come from a 4000A switch gear and are good for 2000a, across the bottom is for the ATS and I think it was good for 800A. Out the back were some other sub panels and bullshit. I forget what the other sub panels in the room were good for."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419617 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:43:06")

">>1419232
I just wrap my shit with electrical tape if I am gonna be doing dumb shit I may as well half ass it while I am at it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419619 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:44:51" && image=="KIMG0019.jpg")

">>1419615
I did this gear too, 2000a feed, split to 1000a up and 1000a under to the meters and then pipes out to 4 other units."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419620 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:46:28" && image=="KIMG0028.jpg")

">>1419619
and that gear is for this building."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419622 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:48:30" && image=="KIMG0015.jpg")

">>1419620
here is where the 1000 feeds up too. You wont believe the lack of concrete holding the gear from falling through the floor... its almost entirely pipe coming out the bottom."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419626 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)20:51:38" && image=="KIMG0030.jpg")

">>1419622
the lobby.. btw its kind of funny the lack of security that was installed in that vault.. I guess they figure if you can get through the concrete encasing then you deserve the money.

I think that is the last one for today... I will see about taking a good pic of someone elses fuck up tomorrow."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419651 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)21:29:07")

">>1419421
I joined ABC's apprenticeship program. It's 4 years, but I only go to class for 4 hours once a week. I live in Illinois, so at the end of the program, I will attempt the Chicago master's exam, and that's pretty much top tier around here. Other states are more strict about the pathway to a master's license. I'm 2 years in making $17/hr with benefits at a fire alarm company.

By comparison, I had a coworker that went to Lincoln Tech for 9 months full time. He was always trying to tell me and the other guys that his school was top notch and so much better than ours. He just got into the union, and they basically told him his education isn't worth shit and he has to go through their apprenticeship program.

Your best bet is union or ABC, and since this thread has miraculously avoided union vs open shop dick slinging, I'll leave it at that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419667 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)22:00:00")

">>1419615
Any reason why you hate restaurants? Post stories"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419722 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)23:25:07")

">>1419597
so what exactly do you work as? and what things do you learn in the course? clueless af about my career choice and I like to do manual labour, so I'm split between mechatronics and industrial manteinance"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419845 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)04:40:57")

">>1419651
>they basically told him his education isn't worth shit
>he has to go through their apprenticeship program
Interesting. Thanks for the tip."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419853 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)04:45:34")

">>1418685
Why is the woman there? Is it bring your wife to work day?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419875 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)05:40:57")

">>1419500
Copper is highly ductile"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419907 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)07:39:46")

">>1418722
>wire up a house
You can learn this by just reading the code. Don't do nigger tier residential cable pulling. These faggots are barely even human. In australia, we have a caveat that electricians must follow code BUT anything done by an electrician is code. So you get horse shit like cables just lying on the rafters or bare wires in bathrooms and of course there is no code for how much of a stud is legal to core out so you find plumbers and electricians coring out whole studs and leaving 10mm either side of the stud for an entire wall. Its still code because it was done by a pro ;).

Anyway op, do telco or industrial where you deploy entire systems and make things work instead of arguing with done stupid bitch who tells you she wants a new power point but you can't make any holes in her walls."
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if(Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1419909 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)07:48:07")

">>1419667
Idk about him, but I’m sure there’s some dumb extra codes that need to be followed, especially with all of the water and gas lines.

Also restaurants are very dirty and restaurant owners are very cheap so I’m betting whenever anon goes for repairs at operating restaurants he finds half a dozen dead rats."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419913 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)07:58:58")

">>1418723
I was a HT, took advantage of rate manuals laying around and buddies in engineering berthing and learned every trade possible in 8 years. Now I make 180k as production manager in a mid sized sign biz. Morale of the story: choose your rate choose your fate. Also, FC has got to be almost as useless in the real world at NC."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419914 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)08:02:22" && image=="KIMG0097.jpg")

">>1419667
>>1419909

Well I don't do service work often for one, but I do a lot of ground up/new work... nothing under $300k. Restaurants are always poorly planned, in a hurry to open and all the trades are climbing on top of each other. For the owner it's usually their 1st big project and a big investment so they are there often and making changes, then being slow to approve change orders ect..... micro managing and shit.

Another building I did, boys and girls club"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419916 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)08:05:34")

">>1419914
Oh and kitchens can be a pain in the ass, but your typical ansul system is cake these days compared to doing it old school with ice cube relays and contractors. The layout of equipment with crappy submittal info is what sucks... info management is seriously lacking most of the time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419972 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)10:07:23")

">>1419722
> so what exactly do you work as?
See this post: >>1418707
currently still working as technical operator, so basically an operator who knows how a multimeter works and can hold a wrench.


> and what things do you learn in the course?
Depends on the course, I did it like this:

6 months of day school (at unemployment bureau) for basic electrical stuff, mostly focused on construction job(worked as electrician in construction for almost a year, low pay + heavy work, no thx). Here they teach you about Voltage/Current/Resistance, residential circuits, like light switches and some simple relais stuff, how does a circuit breaker/GFCI work, 3-phase kept to absolute basics,

2 years of evening class (1 day a week) for industrial electricity, focused mostly on fault finding, motors, sensors, diagram analisys, ... During this time I went back to working in a well paid factory job, and the electricians there said my course was cool and all but it wouldn't be good enough to get a job like them, most of them had a Bachelor's Degree.

So I just finished my 1st of 3 years of a level 5 Electro-Mechanics Education with the specialisation-option of Proces-Automation.

Things I learn? Math, Theorhetical & Applied Electricity/Electronics, Digital/Analog circuits, PLC, Thermodynamics, Theorhetical/Applied Mechanics, Control Theory, Hydraulics, Pneumatics, Power Electronics.

This is a 3 nights a week course, so combining this with a job, gym, gf, home renovation? Your spare time = 0

Might try for the bachelor once this is finished but this degree + the job I'm getting is basically enough to get a good job.

(Level 5 I mean the ISCED level, it's called a "Graduate" level here, not sure what this is called in other countries, it's between high school-diploma and bachelor-degree, maybe Associate Degree in english?)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1419998 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)11:26:39")

">>1419972
great, seems like the curriculae may be kinda different over here, tho. there is an associate career that takes 2 years (although you study the same things, yet there are no choices for specializations) and an engineering one that's related but takes like 3 more years to complete. dunno if I wanna go with a bachelors degree, advanced mathematics and physics bore me way too much to stand them for 3 years more
those are a lot of useful things to learn.
looks like a comfy job. if production is more demanding because of deadlines I might ditch mechatronics for manteinance.
(and yeah, I'm not an english speaker so I call mid-level degrees technical degrees, but I get what you're saying)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420002 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)11:37:17")

">>1419500
At least he uses a hilti drill.

hate that plastic chuck..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420010 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)11:43:41")

">>1418685
>not using for clothing
>not using insulated tools
>not using e rated hard hats
>plastic gloves

These are the schmucks who deserve an arc flash."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420014 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)11:54:05" && image=="depositphotos_52494739-stock-photo-man-soldering.jpg")

">>1420010
They're most likely just photo models."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420029 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)12:32:52")

">>1418685
Is there a good, cheap place to get a 125v US 15-5p inlet?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420084 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)14:14:45" && image=="IMG_20180706_141114.jpg")

">>1418685
How do you wire pic related? Side says 'Shsnao say7 push button'. It's an emergency stop.

There are 4 screw posts, only differentiating features are the red and green sides. No brass/silver screw.

Emailed the buyer and they said fuck off. Can't find anything online."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420094 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)14:32:06")

">>1420084

Use your multimeter in the ohm-setting too measure between the different terminals in both states of the button.?

I'm guessing it has at least 1 NC contact to interrupt the voltage supply(for example your +24V line) to your control circuit, and the other maybe NO to send a signal when pushed to some input, or another NC to cut off the 0V from your control circuit as well, just to be extra safe."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420098 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)14:39:28")

">>1420084
good god man figure it out, it's not hard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420101 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)14:43:56")

">>1420098
Ehh. There are 4 instead of 2, which creates 3+ wiring possibilities.

>>1420094
Thanks, the ohn meter is a great idea."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420104 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)14:45:24")

">>1420084
Ideally, an emergency stop should break the connection mechanically and you should use an NC contact.

Ie, you are not allowed to rely on PLC logic to make it safe, you can however use the extra contact to tell the PLC that the emergency stop is engaged and turn on a signal lamp or whatever.

That it is how it is in Norway according to maskindirektivet."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420111 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)14:55:31")

"About to start hvac school, what am in for?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420113 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)15:00:28" && image=="IMG_20180706_145740.jpg")

">>1420104
'Whipped it out' and it seems red to red its hot when button isn't pushed ( normal flow), then when the button is pressed, the green side is engaged. Guess that would be benficial for an alarm or something."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420114 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)15:04:52")

">>1420111
A lot of hot air."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420142 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:19:24" && image=="IMG_20180706_161516.jpg")

"Sorry guys, another dumb question.

The bottom 2 sets of screws are for the red and green button.

Ohms aren't lighting up on the top set. Grounds?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420155 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:31:37")

">>1420142

at some point you should display a bit of intelligence, or abandon this project that seems to be beyond your capabilities."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420157 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:33:39")

">>1420142


>>1420084
Ground on a plastic button?
If you know this little about electricity I'm not sure you should be working on it..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420160 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:36:27")

">>1420157
Aint a neutral and ain't another button"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420162 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:38:54")

">>1420160
I want to help but I need detailed pics from all sides of the button to do so

Sometimes there are screw that have no purpose except act As a wago"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420166 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:42:19" && image=="IMG_20180706_161524.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420169 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:44:00" && image=="IMG_20180706_161534.jpg")

">>1420166
It's just that one set on the top of the red button side.

Both bottom black modules are removable."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420171 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:47:00")

">>1420155
You'd think the chinks would at least label + and - or throw a link up to what they're smoking."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420177 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:53:00" && image=="IMG_20180706_165058.jpg")

">>1420166
>>1420142
Normal green side"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420179 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:54:42" && image=="IMG_20180706_165126.jpg")

">>1420177
Red side got me seeing red.

All I'm good for is swapping out outlets in a house. White - white. Black - brass."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420185 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)16:57:37")

">>1420169
I am just guessing but maybe the lamp in the middle? If it is a LED you might have trouble measuring it, seeing as you don't know what you're doing, is this job related? Or just DIY? Please be careful dude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420191 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)17:02:52")

">>1420185
DIY, no rush. May eat this gay shit and not buy straight from Chinatown again. Then again, it has been awhile since I've gotten a good shock ..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420198 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)17:08:09")

">>1420179
>Those wrinkles
Gramps, just call your granddaughter."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420204 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)17:17:26" && image=="boomer_alone_wifes_son.jpg.jpg")

">>1420198
>>Those wrinkles
>Gramps, just call your granddaughter.

are his fingernails painted."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420205 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)17:17:50" && image=="IMG_20180706_225733[1].jpg")

">>1420179
Common labeling for a momentary push button.

1, 2 NC Normally Closed Switch
3, 4 NO Normally Open Switch
X1, X2 Lamp."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420206 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)17:19:30")

">>1420205
God bless."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420209 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)17:22:11" && image=="cobra_483483.jpg")

">>1420205

thank you sir"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420805 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)14:12:41" && image=="electrocution-20.jpg")

">>1418685
I think there is something wrong with my house electrical system.

I live in europe, so the voltage differences should be:
>Phase-Neutral should be +- 240V
>Phase-Earth should be between 240-220V
>Neutral-Earth should be 0V

instead I've got:
>Phase-Neutral is 240V
>Phase-Earth is 135V
>Neutral-Earth is 135V

I'm making my measurements from the fuse box. Help me /diy/, is the earth cable connected to neutral or what?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420809 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)14:30:18")

">>1420805
I think you have the old system.

Instead + 3*400V + N like the current system you have 3*230V in your area. So your Phase and Neutral are actually Phase 1 and Phase 2.

240V / sqrt(3) is about 138V so this matches roughly to your measurements. (line voltage / sqrt(3) = phase voltage).
if you happen to speak dutch like me:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtnet

(They mention 127/220V, it has been upsized these days)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420838 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)15:13:38")

">>1420809
>>1420805
Read in a forum that it could be that Earth circuit of the building is actually disconnected. What I am measuring is a voltage divider created by the capacitive impedance between the phase and the floating ground cables...

I think I'm gonna call an electrician just to be sure."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420854 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)15:40:33")

">>1420838
Capacitance between cables can creat a very small voltage that might light up some LED, but it won't give you 135V between neutral and ground, aren't their any markings on your fusebox or meter?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420866 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)15:55:18")

">installing new light fixture
>take down old fixture
>no box in the wall just MC cable
>new fixture doesn't have a hole to accept the cable
>wire it and shove the metal sleeve into the wall
>call it a day
Did I do a bad thing? I'm gonna sell this house."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420875 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)16:04:47" && image=="F0389599-01.jpg")

">>1420866
You mean the cable don't have any mechanical protection atm?

It should have some if you want it to be up to code."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420879 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)16:11:15")

">>1420875
does the code even matter tho?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420883 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)16:14:34")

">>1420879
If shit burns down, you can be liable, even if what you did didn't really cause the problem."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420946 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:19:23" && image=="danger grandma.jpg")

">>1420866
Had similar thing happen the other day.

>changing out ceiling for grandma
>take down old fan
>no grounding wire
>no box, just a hole in ceiling with a white and black wire coming through
>old fan wasn't even attached to the stud, just the sheet rock cieling
>test the wires before touching anything
>white is hot and black is neutral
>realize my grandma could have died in a number of ways from this fan

Found out that her ex husband (not an electrician) did her wiring.
DIYers can be scary"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420947 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:20:26")

">>1420946
>changing out ceiling
meant to say ceiling fan"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1420950 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:24:04")

">>1420887
people like you are why I get paid so well to do simple stuff"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421002 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:25:16")

">>1420950
I got paid 50 bucks
thanks grandma"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421005 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:36:41")

">>1420805
Whats phase to phase voltage you got?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421302 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:02:19")

">>1420805
most likeley you have 2 faults
one is that your earth wire is disconnected somewhere it should be connected with neutral at the transformer or at a junction box.

the second fault is that some grounded device has a ground fault meaning the phase touches the neural somewhere."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421318 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:35:39" && image=="grounding.png")

">>1421302
> one is that your earth wire is disconnected somewhere it should be connected with neutral at the transformer or at a junction box.

What? In a normal residential area the neutral and ground are 2 completely seperate lines. See image.

> the second fault is that some grounded device has a ground fault meaning the phase touches the neural somewhere.
> ground fault means phase touches neutral

Phase touching neutral means a short circuit. Ground fault means there is current leaking to ground, wich should trip your GFCI."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421365 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:04:02" && image=="1531060539084.png")

">>1421318
you're picture is a TT network but here in Germany we use TNC-S meaning from you get a PEN from the power station to your house where it is split up into a earth and a neutral wire.

in your picture neutral and PE is still connected through the earth rod in your house and the one at the transformer.

now in both cases TT or TNC-S it means that if the earth wire in is disconnected somewhere it cant leak current to the ground and it isn't connected with neutral. so the RCD cant trip and it cant create a short circuit.

and at some fault life connects with PE wire thus showing 135V N to PE."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421366 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:05:43" && image=="IT-fordelingssystem_IMG-vert.jpg")

">>1421365
In Norway we use both."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421389 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:52:23")

">>1421366
In Belgium we have have several kinds, depending on the circumstances.

>>1421365
> in your picture neutral and PE is still connected through the earth rod in your house and the one at the transformer.
No they aren't the distance is enourmous and the resistance is incredibly high. The connection is neglible.

> now in both cases TT or TNC-S it means that if the earth wire in is disconnected somewhere it cant leak current to the ground and it isn't connected with neutral. so the RCD cant trip and it cant create a short circuit.
If ground is interupted then no, GFCI won't trip. But this can easily be checked at your meter/fuse box at least in my setup.

> and at some fault life connects with PE wire thus showing 135V N to PE.
What exactly do you mean here?

If phase connects to PE and PE is interupted then you'll get a shock as soon as you touch a grounded surface, but that doesn't explain his problem.

Since we don't know what has line/phase voltages are it's a bit hard to help but let's replace his 2nd phase/neutral(we don't know) with "WIRE"

Voltages in his case (see here >>1420805)
Phase - WIRE = 240V
Phase - PE = 135V
WIRE - PE = 135V

This makes perfect sense if you follow my explenation here >>1420809

If PE is truly disconnected, then you're not going to read 135V from phase to ground. Like you said yourself, the GFCI won't trip, because no current can flow through the PE-line, so how could your volt-meter show any voltage if you measure on it.

Voltage means grounds is still connected, and I don't see how phase touching neutral does not create a short circuit unless the contact was so horrible that the resistance is huge and draws little amps, it is possible but unlikely."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421395 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)13:09:17")

">>1421389
> No they aren't the distance is enourmous and the resistance is incredibly high. The connection is neglible.

Wait that part isn't entirely true, sorry. I'm getting shit mixed up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421441 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)13:37:19")

">>1421005
I dont have an oscilloscope, just multimeter.
It should be a single phase installation anyways."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421444 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)13:40:38")

">>1421441
You don't need an osciloscope for phase to phase voltage, just a multimeter.

Take a pic of the labels on your meter/fuse box"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421452 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)13:49:16" && image=="multimeter.jpg")

">>1421444
I took this pic the other day, cannot take a new one right now"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421470 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:07:30")

"I was changing out faulty Emergency and Exit lights at this plumbing shop. They were originally installed with yellow hot wires, but they were so old that the yellow hot wires had faded and the white neutral wires had yellowed.

I usually stick to black and sometimes red, but if you're into color coding hot wires, never use yellow."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421475 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:10:55" && image=="IMG_0868.jpg")

"Hi /eg/ , I do not have a multimeter that can test microfarads and my ac is not working. Upon inspection of the capacitor I see no bulges but it looks like to me that it needs a new capacitor. Any input without being able to test it by just how it looks , The fan turns on but my compressor is not.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421508 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:55:15")

">>1421475
you can get one for like $10, plus that cap looks like shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421526 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:16:44")

">>1421508
It is going to cost me like 50 maple bucks but I thought it looked like shit as well. so I am praying a new one will kick in the compressor and I don't have to have a guy come look."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421542 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:53:38")

">>1421526
my hvac buddy says that cap failure is like 75% of the service calls he gets where the compressor wont turn on... good place to start... you could always drag a screw driver across the leads and see what happens... if it sparks it wasnt bad, it will cost you a screw driver though.... and yeah its kind of dangerous."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421547 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:00:49" && image=="1484652180475.jpg")

">that loser on site who thinks his all-Klein tool kit will make him a better electrician";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421559 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:22:11")

">>1421547
DONT YOU TALK ABOUT MY BFF KLIEN THAT WAY FAGGOT

RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE E"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421571 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:35:20")

">>1421452
135v between earth and live or neutral?!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421572 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:37:25")

">>1421571
135v between earth and live
135v between earth and neutral"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421610 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:33:20")

">>1421572
It sounds like you both have a loose neutral and a hot/ground reverse, aside from that, you'll probably have to open up junction boxes and manually inspect the wires/cables."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421618 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:46:14")

"Tfw red green colourblind";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421633 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:25:21")

">>1418701

she has a nice smile, she's probably a nice girl."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421712 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:10:38")

">>1421572
call up the utility and they will usually come check out their stuff for free... maybe they tapped their transformer high expecting a higher demand and that demand is gone now or even a transformer that is starting to go bad or a number of other possibilities.

>>1421610
maybe, but usually what happens is 1 leg will be high and the other will be low still making 240. Had a call where a fuse actually blew half the house was feeding through the range element to power the b phase... weird voltages through out the house."
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1421786 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:38:17" && image=="3540FD43-E274-40F7-A57E-E74F99071CBE.jpg")

"Multimeters are fun. I wish I knew what this stuff meant. Maybe if I got a couple Flukes, the yellow pigment in their meters would absorb into my skin through osmosis and make me know about electricity.

What common household thing can I poke at to see the difference between True RMS and non-TRMS? Also anything where I could see duty cycles other than 50%?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421799 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:44:35")

">>1421786
Your PC fans pwm signals should show up"
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1421808 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:50:20" && image=="image.jpg")

">>1421799
No gayming pc with open case.

I wish stores sold those AC outlet line splitters. Modified muh extension cord to get amp readings with the clamp but can only do it with 3-prong cords and don’t want to destroy a good $50 cord. I guess I’ll order one on Amazon eventually."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421809 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:51:26")

">>1421786
you should look up what rms stands for and why/how it is used... it was actually really interesting to me in class.

btw these days most basic meters are just as capable of everything flukes are.

there really isnt much of a reason to go poking around in anything unless there is a problem... dont arc your tips buddy :D"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421812 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:57:40")

"how safe is it to use a outdoor outlet & outdoor extension cord to power something using about 500 watts on a 20 hour cycle it will draw about 10amps and the cord is rated for 13 amps and 1600 watts";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421839 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:25:31")

">>1421812
Probably just fine... I ran a 3000 watt 208volt heater for about 2 months with 200ft of 14 gauge extension cord and nothing melted... and I have a Jw card... lol. Yours seems like you are doing it right enough though..."
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1421847 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:38:51")

">>1421809
I was looking it up, they said electronics use square waves, flourescent light bulbs too. And audio equipment uses real pointy waves. So could I test my stereo speakers and get two different voltages on the different meters?

Basically they said True RMS isn’t really needed for general DIY stuff so I saved the $20 and got the Klein without it. But then I wanted the clamp meter and any of them capable of measuring DC current were also TRMS so I wanted to see the difference.

I already fucked up and touched a car battery when the Klein had the leads plugged into the 500mA hole so I done blew that fuse and they didn’t sell the same at Home Depot so I tossed a quick blow 250V (vs 1000V on OE fuse) 0.5A fuse in there until I order one.

Stuff is all new to me. I never knew shit about electricity but when I had a blower motor resistor go on my car and the interwebs said I could diagnose it by measuring the resistance a across the connectors, it got me thinking. So I got a free $7 meter from HF, got bored of that real quick and now here I am with a couple of $80 meters in front of me and now idea what any of it means."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421859 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:51:15")

">>1421847
Honestly even with a dozen years as a sparky I rarely if ever need half that shit... everything I do is new commercial construction.

I wanted you to go through the process of what root mean square means and how it relates to the sine wave.... it was interesting when I learned it too bad I don't have to use it to trouble shoot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421869 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:07:06")

">>1418737
HVAC is hard as fuck to learn. It takes 10 years to even know what you are doing and another 10 years to get good at it. It is more an art then a set rules thing. The problem is that there are so many variables based on duct work, restrictions in the filter driers or crimps in the line sets. How do you figure out a problem when it only happens every other day?. HVAC is a bitch sometimes. I have been at it for more then 30 years and still have not got the hang of it too well."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421873 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:20:52")

">>1418685
is it too late if i'm a 30 year old boomer to get in on the trade?"
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1421888 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)00:08:51")

">>1421859
>root mean square
It’s some equation, right? Like if a sine wave peaks at 120V, the leads aren’t actually reading a steady 120V, but rather a ton of random voltages from -120V to +120V, then taking the averages of all those voltage readings over time and doing the math to display 120V on the meter. But then when you have a square wave or a duty cycle that isn’t 50%, the math will be all wrong with the same equation.

Something like that?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421889 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)00:11:51")

">>1421873
It's never too late unless you are physically unable to do the job, however, I'd personally avoid joining a union."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421984 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)05:52:55")

">>1421888
Yeah more or less, if you were to just add every thing up in a single cycle you would just get a sum of zero, which scientists don't like, but once you square all those numbers and add them together you finally have something to show which scientists do like to show proof that voltage exists.... at least that was how it was explained to me.. and once I learned that I never needed to use that knowledge ever again lol"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421987 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)05:59:52")

">>1418765
No because inevitably some woman trying to make a name for herself pulls out a retarded idea from her ass that I 'need' to work on and all her friends pretend it's the best thing ever.

It feels like I have 4 nagging moms when I show up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421991 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:03:55" && image=="92366807.jpg")

">>1418829
>Bepis
I can't recommend pic related enough."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421994 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:08:36")

">>1418835
>big red tag
And for those not in the trade, that's meaning ...

Also, why is the dude the only one carrying any tools?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421996 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:17:42")

">>1421994
The 'tag' is actually a lock holder.

The main switch that supplies to incoming voltage to this board is locked off with a lock holder, in the pic it has just 1 padlock in it with a tag on it, but other people can lock it too, if multiple people/companies need to work on the same thing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421998 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:20:12")

">>1421526
The bulge is at the bottom. If you sit it on a table, it'll usually topple. And $50 is pricey, but it's a hell of a lot better than a service call.

Mine went out a week ago and it ran me $15. I grabbed 2 since they were closed on a Sunday and that's naturally when mine failed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1421999 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:21:20" && image=="download.jpg")

">>1421526
And get a multimeter - even if it's the free harbor freight one."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422000 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:24:32")

">>1421996
So basically a sticky note saying power is off for a reason?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422010 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:59:32")

">>1422000
Yes but the main function of the lock holder is mechanically disabling the switch from functioning, not informing people. It's all about safety.

I've worked with people who said locking wasn't neccesary cause they "told" the guy from that departement that we're gonna work on the motor so they know not to touch it. I'm not gonna work a 3*400V without a lock though, especially if I have to trust on Joe Mcnugget not to touch the control panel and other people can easily walk in not knowing what's going on, and operators usually aren't too clever, especially where I work."
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1422013 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)07:09:13" && image=="75C76B47-0A0B-4A4D-B38B-43B9CDA4482D.jpg")

">>1421991
I have plenty of those already. I prefer the composite Cat IV rated forks. Pic related."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422014 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)07:17:41" && image=="images.jpg")

">>1422010
Gotcha, I'm seeing it now. That isn't a panel door, but an actual switch.

I thought it was disallowing access to the inside where the switch was (which seems really iffy) since you couldn't visually verify that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422079 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)10:24:43" && image=="1517429337730.png")

"What happens if you put the com to live and the red to neutral while reading AC with a DMM? Nothing right?";


if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1422082 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)10:29:17")

">>1422079
Does it give you negative volts?

I’m curious as well. I was suprised to learn last night when playing with the Hz and duty cycle that I only needed to stick one lead in to get a real close measurement (like 2% off) and then with both leads in an outlet it gave me 60.00Hz and 50.00% duty cycle"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422092 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)10:49:54")

">>1419087
You remind me of my friend Kyle, He's doofy, a good guy, but really fucking doofy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422099 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:03:37" && image=="verbots-kombischild-nicht-schalten-es-wird-gearbeitet.jpg")

">>1422000
>>1422010
here we had an accident where someone thought:

>this signs says don't switch.
>why is this switched off if it says don't switch?
>better switch it back on.

at the other end a electrician died so now every sign has to get replaced with one that has two arrows added meaning don't switch in either direction."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422104 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:07:50")

">>1422079
Switching around cords doesn't matter with AC.

>>1422082
That happens if you're working with DC.

>>1422099
Holy fuck why not just use locks ffs?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422868 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:02:54" && image=="20180427_121802.jpg")

"Fucking chinks REEEEEEEEEE
>be bug eyed copy and paste man
>hot glue a pcb into well dip tape
>act surprised when our drillers manage to fuck8 of them in a week
> ITS FOR MEASURING THE WATER IN WELLS OF COURSE ITS GOING TO GET FUCKING WET
Trash/10 i mad"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422870 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:05:08" && image=="20171121_160654.jpg")

">>1422868
What do you mean the motors keep sticking.
>3.6 kg torque to turn shaft"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422873 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:10:40" && image=="20180110_135038.jpg")

">>1422870
Hello electrician the non Ip rated thing i put outside isn't working anymore"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422886 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:36:06")

">>1419476
>Are Russians completely retarded?

дa"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422901 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:19:42")

">>1420104
mate, depending on the hazard level of your application there is a fuckton you have to do in order to not get in jail
2 channel emergency stop that breaks the power is just scratching the surface"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422904 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:23:37")

">>1420104
Indeed hard-wired is good but sometimes impractical, which is why they make safety PLCs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422908 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:36:29")

">>1420838
some meters, especial two pole probes like duspol, allow you to put a low Ohm load (50Ohm) in line to the measure leads instead of the stadard 10K internal resistance. This gives you reliable reading on house circuits as induced voltage breaks down"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422970 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:11:34")

">>1418688
She looks like a dude you peter puffer"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1422992 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)13:22:04")

">>1422970
>he doesn't like tomboys

Never gonna make it."
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1423025 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:40:57" && image=="87CF7475-A1E3-402C-AE80-59A7C6D06369.jpg")

"First day with the 11-in-1... No need for it yet. I think I should carry around the clamp meter too so if a pregnant lady goes into labor and they yell “Is anybody here a doctor?” then I can lie and say “No but I’m an electrician!”";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423080 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)15:59:52")

">>1423025
you are going to lose half of your bits and either have a next to impossible time of finding replacements or just end up buying a regular phillips, flathead and nut driver set... I only carry a 11in1 and my stripper linemen if I am running a job big enough that I dont wear tools (after 5 guys on my crew its basically impossible to keep tools on) Plus they still dont have a 7/16 or 9/16 which is the size you need for 1/4 and 3/8 threaded nuts and bolts and are the most commonly used in the commercial side of things."
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1423082 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:10:01" && image=="1F80929B-58BD-4F30-9FFD-B082D88824D6.jpg")

">>1423080
Home Depot had the 2-packs for $20, so I guess #2 is the donor when I start losing shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423477 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)07:57:42" && image=="klein-tools-wire-strippers-k1412-64_1000.jpg")

">>1418685
What do professionals use to strip wires for residential outlets?

Pic related? Dykes? Something else? You'd think if it were pic related, there'd be a stop depth to instantly and repetedly get the right length."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423502 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)09:09:42" && image=="knipex-striptang-geisoleerd-160mm-1106160.jpg")

">>1423477
See pic related, throw away the screw and it is a 1 size fits all.

I wil never understand why you would use something like your pic where the force of pulling is perpendiculare to the side of the pliers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423503 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)09:11:49" && image=="weidmuller.jpg")

">>1423502
although we also used these

Usefull if you need an exact length sometimes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423509 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)09:23:38" && image=="61yMTswC9GL._SL1500_.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423512 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)09:33:22")

">>1422992
I’m not attracted to women with the body of skinny male. 0/10 child bearing hips"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423523 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:01:41")

">>1423509
>>1423503
Thx guys, figured something like that was out there"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423525 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:08:12")

">>1419626
>btw its kind of funny the lack of security that was installed in that vault..
I've built a few banks. The vaults are always on an exterior wall, usually a corner, reinforced concrete 4kpsi with steel 12"oc. Almost nobody ever tries a physical attack after hours for good reason. But yeah, only fed banks have vibration monitoring alarms."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423532 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:24:37")

"Non-electrician here (but I know stuff). Rewired my entire house by myself for cost of materials plus inspection fees. Just got my Final passed today. They let me do most of it, except the Main disconnect ...which I still did myself, but I found a small time elctrician who was real thirsty and took the permit out.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423638 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:22:02")

">>1418685
>Milwaukee 11in1
At least buy klein you fucking armatures"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423760 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:24:31" && image=="Solid_and_Stranded.jpg")

"What is standard practice in the US when dealing with electrical panels.

Here in Norway it is bootlace ferrules on everything when dealing with stranded wires."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423773 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:45:23")

">>1423760
A shot of black straight to the panel"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423914 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:34:12")

">>1423477
I use the non romex version of those, and I have for the last decade
>>1423502
You are only stripping an inch of 10 and 12 wire... how much force do you think you really need?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423919 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:38:48")

">>1423525
I meant not even a door alarm or monitoring or really anything.. I think there was a key pad but it was a couple of years ago."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423951 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:14:56")

">>1423025
enjoy bending the fuck out of the flathead bits. also those klien ones are too small. get an ideal ratcheting one"
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if(Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1423969 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:36:28" && image=="B1D54C08-6204-4C78-8025-E4FD898A9889.jpg")

">>1423951
Enough people use em around here and seem to like them. And I have some regular Klein screwdrivers and like them a lot so fuck it. I’ve spent $20 on more stupid shit than a couple Klein 11-in-1’s.

What’s the opinion on the diamond tip screwdrivers?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424064 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:44:10")

">>1423914
To each their own I guess, I just can't image using those wires.

I had to google to see how much those 10/12 mean (ffs why don't you guys use international standards) and by some strange logic you guys use bigger numbers for thinner wires? lol


But I see 10 = 6mm2 and 12 = 4mm2, those are your standard wire sizes in a house? We only use 6 for something like an monophase electrical oven, 4 for a 3phase oven, we use 1,5mm2 (16 AWG) for lights and 2,5mm2 (14 AWG) for outlets."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424072 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:20:22")

">>1424064
> using those wires.
meant "using those wirestrippers""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424095 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:59:43" && image=="ec46fa2b21384d990d7adf5ef6199e2e.jpg")

">>1424064
US houses are typically 120v, single phase with 12 or 14g wire. Ovens and dryers get 240v."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424107 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:27:47")

">>1424095
Adding to what this anon said, dryers use 10s and range is typically a 6/3 @ 240v"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424110 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:33:44" && image=="Screenshot_2018-07-12_06-33-06.png")

">>1424064
>by some strange logic you guys use bigger numbers for thinner wires? lol

well, we were first, as usual, so we used logic that made sense at the time. wire that was drawn once was gauge 1. draw it again to a smaller size and it's gauge 2. so the number of times that the wire was drawn was the gauge number.

of course, years later when you guys learned from us it made sense to you to use larger numbers for larger wires.

It kinda reminds me of how Pennsylvania used to be predominately german. for some reason, students going to college in Pennsylvania had difficulty finding the college at first, so they renamed the town it was in."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424302 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:36:39")

">>1418849
What's your typical day like?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424327 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:59:25")

">>1424110
>well, we were first, as usual
The idea of wire gauges is older than Burgeristan.
And even if you were first, that's not really a reason to religiously stick to a system built around the technical limitations of the wire pulling equipment over a century ago."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424354 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:39:28")

">>1424064
Why do you care so much what standards we use? We don't come to your country, to your job, and ask why you call the dick you're sucking 12 centimeters instead of 1.2 decimeters."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424366 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:02:29")

">>1423969
>diamond tip screwdrivers
hate them
seem to never fit good
they are more useful for prying"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424368 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:05:17")

">>1424064
double the voltage, half the amps, ~half the needed gauge and half the burned down flats"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424386 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:34:14")

">>1424064
>1.5 for lighting
Use 1.0 and save some pennies"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424388 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:37:49")

">>1424386
no one ever goes below 1.5 for anything 230v residential
same as you just dont go below 2.5 for 3 Phase stuff"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424400 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:10:11" && image=="IMG_8223.jpg")

"Hey goy, wanna but some cheap duct cover?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424402 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:11:32" && image=="IMG_8228.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424414 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:31:44")

">>1424388
Where are you?
UK here happily use 1.0 for 6A lighting all day long.
Seems like a stupid rule, do the maths use whatever is appropriate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424598 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:22:34")

">>1423760
just land it and get it the fuck done is the standard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424601 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:26:52")

">>1424354
its jealousy anon... they know they suck so now they lash out and try to compensate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424604 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:36:50")

">>1424327
>Bro just change all your units nationwide in a country with a population of 325 million people"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424606 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:37:11")

">>1423760
Most of our breakers are rated to take stranded or solid wire. I think the difference is the screw pushes a shoe onto the strands instead of screwing directly ontothemh"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424669 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:33:11")

">>1418743
You've got to dig into the theory of how things work more than the people who build them. Build to design just needs plan reading and good workmanship. Figuring out all the ways things can fuck up and find the cause takes a deeper level of understanding.

I did aircraft electrical systems engineering for Boeing. And when they had problems on the shop floor, I was often the one who would go. Most of the designers didn't know shit about how systems can fuck up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424720 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:08:13")

"Just signed up for the HVAC program at the local community college. How big of a mistake did I make?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424761 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:54:11")

">>1424414
Not that guy but like here in Belgium lighting is at 16A so 1,5mm2 makes sense. (When it was fuses instead of breakers it was only 10A)

Though with all the LED stuff these days maybe we don't need the 16A anymore.

>>1424669
Thanks, and this is why I'm doing evening classes 3 times a week.
(see here: >>1419972)

I noticed a lot of electricians in construction for example are kind of clueless on basic electrical stuff, always bothered me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424766 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:04:19")

">>1420166
Nice looking dog"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424856 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:08:10")

">>1423760
this is why most electricians wont touch aluminium wire. the next faggot to come along doesnt know you must use ferules on aluminium wire when bonding them to terminals meant for cupronickel. which is why aluminium wire is blamed for so many fires.

it's not standard practice in the US. it's code basically everywhere on the planet to follow code OR install according to the manufacturers directions.

but ferules are a good idea as standard if you're dealing with a large amount of incompetent electricians who cant tell the difference between brown and grey metal or be bothered to twist the wires or strip them properly. maybe some kind of thousands of dollars automatic stripping and crimping tool is needed for people who just cant manage to use a wire stripper after their four year apprenticeship?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v3iIYP2juQ"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424857 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:10:58")

">>1423502
you are meant to rotate the tool around the wire, sawing a neat little circle into the insulation then pulling off a tiny tube of insulation. the point of that tool is so you dont nick the metal inside too badly. common cause of electrical fires is people doing as you suggest and scoring the wire. then when its screwed down, the weak crushed or scored part of the wire snaps and you end up with a hanging wire heating up as it bounces on the terminal."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424859 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:21:40")

">>1424414
in australia you never see anything lower than a 10A for residential. contractors are cheap and would rather run the lighting on the same circuits as GPOs. we also generally have 10A rated outlets that people plug in power boards and overload them on 16A breakers. then the GPO melts. the excuse for this practice is that 'you should just know better' but people just want to run their toaster, kettle and microwave at the same time.

16A GPOs are pretty rare in houses. i only use them. why the hell would you risk someone plugging in a heater and a toaster into the same socket because they want to keep their feet warm while they watch their pizza cook in their electric pizza oven and make toast. i've tried to explain this to people multiple times but they just get angry and complain about their breakers tripping if you use a 10A. sometimes people get angry and complain about the slightly longer ground pin recess looking funny in the 16A sockets. I still cringe when i see power strips sitting on kitchen sinks/on the windowsill above them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424890 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:17:18")

">>1424414
>>1424388
in Germany 1mm2 got banned in new constructions because of some residential fires.

most likely it were socket circuits but they decided to ban it completely to make everything standardized.
most homes have 16A circuit breakers which need at least 1.5mm2 wire to trip."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424900 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:39:13")

">>1424890
i guess making the wire more expensive by increasing the amount of copper per meter means there's less incentive to skimp on the self-extinguishing insulation.

I only buy prysmian cable. they got caught up in some ridiculous witchhunt cartel case here in australia. basically all the cable suppliers got together and agreed that there was an absolute minimum cost that standard code rated cable could be manufactured for. so they had an under the table agreement that they would all agree not to purchase cable cheaper than this price because it would definitely be fake cable. so the weird legal system here prosecuted them for not buying cable that cost less than what it costs to make cable that doesnt catch fire. they're also the only company in australia that hasnt had a recall of their cable for falling apart or burning down houses."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424911 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:00:10")

">>1424900
Prysmian makes the fucking worst fiberoptic cable holy shit. They only put one pull string in it instead of 2, and the mylar cladding the fibers just shreds for no reason, and the buffer tubes kink if you look at them wrong."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424925 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:53:06")

">>1424890
Rule of thumb in Norway.

1.5mm2 10A Breaker
2.5mm2 16A Breaker
4mm2 20A Breaker"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424987 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:03:29" && image=="16010633_10155844038308782_1889125951_o.jpg")

"a couple of Aussie sparkies in here which is good to see.

I was 3 years into my trade when the company I was with pulled the plug, putting me out of trade, the workplace was so barren that I ended up enrolling in electrical engineering at uni so I could somehow keep moving forward. Being so close to the end of my trade is annoying the hell out of me though, do you guys think it's too hard to find someone that'll put me on part time/sign me off? I completed all my TAFE components, even passed the theory Capstone (in NSW, but living in QLD now)"
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if(Beppu !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1425746 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:19:12" && image=="88FDB28D-0DD0-41F7-8309-8E8A0362BAFC.jpg")

"Are there any brick & mortar stores that sell these? Home Depot has the Klein set with their cheapest clamp meter, outlet tester, and line splitter but no splitter alone and none of the other usual suspects sell them.

What about City Electric Supply? They have such awful hours tho."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1425811 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:48:29")

">>1424890
Boils my piss who decided to ban it outright what an ignorant decision.
Breakers should protect the cable, size and apply derating factors it couldn't be more simple. Legislating towards one size cable and breaker for a 'type ' of circuit is idiocy.
If you put outlets on the same circuit as lighting then what happens when your current imbalance trips? Seems stupid to me but fill your boots i guess. 10A just for lighting i think is extravagant especially with today's energy savers, even with 100w in every room 5a will do maybe a 3bed house? That is if you were silly enough to put everything on one circuit. If you live in a football pitch perhaps 10a is sensible."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426055 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:56:38")

">>1424856
ive used one of these before, they are awesome"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426086 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:09:32")

"Question for electrical bros. I'm restoring a cool vintage bench grinder. I've got a bunch of metal parts soaking in vinegar and it's doing a great job knocking off the rust. The stator and armature look like they're in fantastic condition, but the stator is particularly covered in saw dust and cobwebs. I'd like to clean it off with a soft acid brush using 91% alcohol, and reapply some insulating varnish.

Here's my question: is insulating varnish unique, or can it be the same stuff you'd use on a wood project? I don't really work much with electrical things and have never done this before, so I don't have a bottle of insulating varnish lying around, but I do have plenty of woodworking varnish."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426105 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:54:04")

">>1418846
THD carries Klein for the most part in the stores."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426112 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:06:17")

">>1426105
I use a Klein MM600, phenomenal device and it actually feels like it could take some abuse with the thick rubber guards."
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if(Kevin Van Dam !ZNBx60Gj/k && title=="" && postNumber==1426123 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:26:11" && image=="946951D6-48CB-424E-907E-3BBBFFD4F1F7.jpg")

">>1426112
>fist bump
It’s rated for a 6ft fall I think. Water resistant too. But I’m not going to say it’s better than a top of the line Fluke."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426159 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:04:08" && image=="Klein.jpg")

">>1426123
Some of you guys are alright, don't go to /diy/ tomorrow."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426204 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:55:53")

">>1426086
>The stator and armature look like they're in fantastic condition, but the stator is particularly covered in saw dust and cobwebs. I'd like to clean it off with a soft acid brush using 91% alcohol, and reapply some insulating varnish.


blow the dust off and leave it alone. Chances are you are going to ruin it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426207 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:14:03")

">>1426204
Fair enough."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426334 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:10:05")

">>1419231
maybe. if you're doing more hot or not work with it, you're fine. if you need any precision, you goofed. should have bought an 87"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426336 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:13:01" && image=="w11p9Ij.jpg")

"Just installed this led, what do you think?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426339 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:19:54" && image=="20180123_123757.jpg")

"";


if(Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw && title=="" && postNumber==1426341 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:26:41")

">>1426336
Need a pic with the lights off to fully appreciate the craftsmanship."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426413 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:13:12" && image=="IMG_20180501_1423488.jpg")

"Im getting tired of working in construction electrical as an apprentice boyos. Thinking of going to school next fall for 2019 for process engineering. Pay cap for a Jman is $37.00/hr and process engineers start at $45.00/hr
>cut strut & tray
>file mount & tray
>mount strut and tray
>pull wire
>repeat
Economic boom when? I'm starting to lose hope on learning how to troubleshoot systems in the field"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426418 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:19:54")

">>1426413
State? I'd love $37/hr and I went to college and been 'in the workforce' for a decade.

Grass is always greener on the other side."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426439 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:43:34")

">>1426413
>be a jman, only make $30 with company truck and gas card probably brings it to $33
>worked over time probably 4-5 months out of this year so far
>average week 50 hours
>max for a month solid was 65 hours/week
>company literally turning down work left and right because we can man all of it

Im not sure what the max is around here for a jw Id say around $40"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426445 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:53:32")

">>1426413
>$45.00/hr
the world is not fair
but then its 4chan, where everyone makes 6 figures"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426483 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:40:23")

">>1426418
>>1426445
This is Alberta Canada so US rates are ~$28/hr for Jman and $34/hr USD for engineer.
>>1426439
With the economy here you can get 50hrs a week during the summer but it's dead quiet for the winter. When oil crashed the Jman rate decreased by 18%. You guys need to start importing Canadian labor. There's no projects or expansions going on anywhere here"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426486 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:49:04" && image=="Untitled.jpg")

"How does the situation get that bad?

You don't need to be an electrician to understand that wires should have some type of mechanical protection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eauXURXgsCI

A lot of those problems could have been avoided with some common sense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426491 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:51:23")

">>1426483
come to colorado anon, its booming here. Literally can not hire enough workers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426498 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:58:59")

">>1426486
>How does the situation get that bad?
It's okay"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1426499 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)20:01:55")

">>1420805
PE-N is wrongly separated.
Ground should be connected to PE-N before any GFCIs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427406 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)04:07:28")

">>1420805
Do you measure the same at the incoming PE? I see you have PSA's in your measure photo. You will need to understand where the PE/PEN is broken.

At least you don't have three phase, in which case most of your stuff would be toast."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427416 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)04:55:07" && image=="electro-29.jpg")

">>1420805
>>1420809
>>1420838
>>1421005
>>1421302
>>1421318
>>1421365
>>1421366
>>1421389
>>1426499
>>1427406
>>1421452
>>1421571
>>1421572
>>1421610
well, turns out this guy >>1420809 was right. It's an old two-phase system. fpbp as always.
Thanks everybody for their ideas."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427417 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)05:00:38")

">>1427416
Thanks, glad I could help."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427421 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)05:24:14" && image=="Untitled.jpg")

"How come people were such cheapskates back in the day?

Just skip getting drunk every day for a few days, and do i properly you fucking alcoholic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427610 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:13:15" && image=="10472-we165i-pzs.jpg")

"What is the general name of a slotted/Philips combo driver?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427612 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:16:34")

">>1427610
PZ/S seems to be what Wera calls them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427615 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:21:34")

">>1427610
Pozidriv not Philips"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427621 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:35:34")

">>1427615
It is not a pozidrive."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427622 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:36:42" && image=="310oq0qu-+L.jpg")

">>1427621
Close up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427627 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:39:47")

">>1427621
I know I was merely replying to the Philips part of his post."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427630 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:43:39")

"https://www.amazon.com/Wera-Special-Design-PlusMinus-Pack/dp/B00A8QRF22

Guess I will go with a Russian approved solution of using heat shrink tubing to make it insulated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1427632 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:47:26")

">>1427610
PH/S
but what you posted are both PZ/S
>>1427622

and yes, they are awesome"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428598 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:36:14" && image=="42456BD1-1A22-4AE3-A8E6-8D0A20B98FDB.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428608 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:58:19")

">>1418685
>File: Electrician_Trainees.jpg
three people
one guy carrying tools"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428621 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:14:05")

">>1418685
Can I hookup 220v tools to 240v receptacles?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428733 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)04:11:09")

">>1428621
Yes, shouldn't be a problem

240V is just the new 220V"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428766 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)06:12:19")

">>1428621
as long as they're the same frequency, should be fine. 110V @ 60Hz seems to shit itself at 230V, 50Hz"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428773 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)06:31:41")

">>1428766
A lot of appliance here in have this on them:
Input: 100V - 250V, 50/60 Hz

With electronic these days the input voltage isn't so specific anymore."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1428777 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)06:39:46")

">>1428773
that's good for the ones that are rated for it. Of the top of my head it's usually because most electronics convert AC to function on DC.

I had a hair clipper rated at 110V, 60Hz which sounded like it wanted to take off when plugged into a 230V 50hz source. I would just turn it on and watch it move across the floor."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1429066 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)18:50:29")

">>1420113
This is basic knowledge you learn when becoming an electrician."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1429097 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)19:37:36" && image=="12568260_545747165601437_1273628591_n.jpg")

">HEY LET'S TRAVEL FOR 10 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR
>WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE, MAKE SURE YOU WORK AT LEAST 90 HOURS A WEEK

b-b--but at least the money is good, right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1429102 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)19:47:36")

">>1429097
kill me pete"
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