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String comment = "The milliamps in a taser are 2.1, but an electrical fence is 120. Why is a taser more painful and dangerous? Is it the pulsating current of the fence?";

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423932 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:00:15")

"Where are you getting these numbers from? The current draw of the driver circuit when nobody's touching the thing has a lot to do with its efficiency and isn't the same as the current that goes through someone being shocked.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423946 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:12:21")

">>1423932
"When fired, the TASER X26 weapon, a model commonly used by law enforcement, operates at 19 pulses per second at a pulse duration of 100 microseconds to deliver an average current of2.1 milliamps. (Editor's note: in an earlier version of this story, it was mistakenly reported that a TASER has a peak current of 3 amps.)Dec 3, 2007

"Electric fence energisers put out high voltage (around 8,000 volts), but very low amperage or current (around 120 milliamps)."

I'm failing to understand how amperage can be off by magnitudes but a cattle fence is no big deal and a taser can kill some people; numerically it looks to me like the fence should be hundreds of times more dangerous?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423954 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:19:50")

">>1423946
probably has something to do with barbs piercing through skin.
Your cattle fence isn't made out of concertina wire."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423963 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:29:28")

">>1423946
One is current going through body, the other current going through wire (when body touches write only small part of this current goes through it because it 'prefers' to go through wire which has lower resistance than the skin)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1423964 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:30:45")

">>1423963
Thank you so much, any way to guess how many milliamps are going through the skin?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424078 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:56:07")

">>1423946
An average current of 2.1 mA with those pulses means an actual peak pulse current of around 1A."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424079 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:57:09")

">>1424078
Or more if the pulses aren't flat top, that 3A might actually be closer to the truth."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424091 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:56:51")

">>1423946
>19 pulses per second at a pulse duration of 100 microseconds
instructables, here I come
>8,000 volts), but very low amperage or current (around 120 milliamps
fence chargers at 8000V generally have to go through large animals' highly resistive hide/fur over a path of a meter or two to earth, whereas taser darts break the skin, usually within inches of each other"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424117 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:05:33")

">>1423946
>taser can kill some people

One reason is that cops abuse the use of tasers and the individuals being tased are in a high state of rage/anger/heart rate/etc while being tased. It is pretty much the worst time you can be tased. Especially if the cops are tasing you multiple times.

On the other hand, I've had electric fencing knock me out cold when accidentally touching it while wet and barefooted in wet grass. One second I was walking by the fence and suddenly I was opening my eyes to the sky. It was an instant swipe from one view to the other. Very surreal. Thankfully, I was walking away from the fence and didn't fall onto it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424279 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:00:20")

">>1424117
Dude, lucky bastard, i beat my head off a rock and it was a year or 2 latter before i figured it out.

I didn't remember wtf happened and my cousin said i just fell for no reason. Our parents thought we were lying and I was covering for him bashing my dome in with a rock. ...so we both got our ass beat.

Ahh the good old days..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424324 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:56:54")

">>1424279
I saw a guy get knocked out from touching an electric fence that had a charger for use with beefalo. He touched it on purpose being all manly and shit when everyone told him to stay the fuck away from it. He dropped like a sack of potatoes the instant he touched it. He laid in the dirt for maybe 3-5 seconds before springing up saying, "that was weird, what happened?""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424626 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:01:11" && image=="487155B5-9E79-4CAC-AF51-A843899B0E5C.jpg")

"Tasers don’t kill people
That is a myth perpetuated by anti cop fags."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424651 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:55:50")

">>1423927
>>1423946
Keep in mind two things:

1. Amps/milliamps are a rate of charge passing through a point per second. So if someone says a fence puts out 120mA, it doesn't mean you will have 120mA of current if you touch it for a fraction of a second. The taser specifies the actual delivered current (presumably at least, since the taser barbs are not likely to be pulled out while it's being delivered).

2. The barbs of a taser are going to encounter much less resistance being sunk into skin than a wire fence touching presumably dry skin. Even though the fence energy source can deliver 120mA, it doesn't mean that anything touching it (for 1 second) will have 120mA of current going through it. For a given voltage, more resistance means less current."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424655 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:00:48")

">>1423964
According to this: https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=6793

Resistance of dry skin is 1k-100k ohms.
I = E/R
I1 = 8000/1000 = 8A
I2 = 8000/100000 = 80mA

So from what they're saying, 120mA is probably reasonable for a human hand."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424657 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:03:06")

">>1424651
>will have 120mA of current going through it.
should be
>will have 120millicoulombs of charge going through it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424675 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:45:01")

">>1423954
>>1423954
Also they typically fire for 30 seconds at a time. You let go of a fence as soon as it shocks you. 30 seconds is plenty of time to cause a heart attack."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424677 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:51:33")

"would the length of the fence have anything to do with it too?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424683 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:04:02")

"1) only small part of current goes through person when touching the wire, most still goes through wire
2) even if you cut the wire and held one end in each hand the current will be less than the current going through uncut wire (skin had high resistance, especially compared to metal wire)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424707 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:45:52")

">>1424657
Why should it be that? Coulombs are usually used in the context of charge storage, not current flow. Because flowing charge is described by amperage, and the charge in a conductor depends on how big it is, among other factors. FYI there is a lot more than 120 millicoulombs of electrons in an electric fence conductor."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424711 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:57:51")

">>1424651
OP here. I think you've just answered the question more fully than you meant to, and in turn answered what I was truly asking. If mA is in fact a per second measurement, a cattle fence delivers 120mA but only in spouts of 1/300th of a second each second. 120/300 is .4mA, MUCH lower than a taser.

If anyone has extra input please tell me, but I think this was the answer I was looking for. I'd like to make sure my logic is sound."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424714 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:59:52")

">>1424626
If you weren't a gigantic pussy and actually watched gore threads sometimes you'd know that there are at least four regularly posted webms/gifs of people dying by taser.

If you're gonna talk shit about people dying, actually have the balls to watch it. Fucking disrespectful coming from someone as voluntarily sheltered as yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424723 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:16:09")

">>1424675
>You let go of a fence as soon as it shocks you
actually the electric currents induce your muscles to contract, forcing you to hold onto the fence.
If you go find a gore thread, I'm sure you can find a few Chinese warehouse workers getting electrocuted and hanging onto whatever shocked them until crispy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424727 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:32:05" && image=="the shocker.png")

">>1424711
One amp is the current flow equivalent to one coulomb of electrons passing a particular point per second.

1C/1s=1A

See that division operation on the left? That means if charge and time are scaled by the same amount, current flow is unchanged.

0.01C/0.01s=1A

1000C/1000s=1A

Most biological effects of electrical shocks scale with a combination of amperage and duration as shown in pic related."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424732 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:08:15")

">>1423927
>milliamps in a taser
>milliamps in
>milliamps
>in
>a
>taser"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424734 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:19:32")

">>1424727
>duration
People can survive lightning strikes likely with a magnitude of current. Any cells in the current path are likely to be destroyed.

Around 0.1 amp is most likely to cause fibrillation. Getting that to the SA node or AV junction depends on skin condition, current type, electrolytes.

We know that a taser's pulsing overrides the nevous system and can cause muscle clamping. People decompensate quickly. Then you'd expect a required recovery period. So pending fibrillation or critical cns damage, I'd expect mortality to heavily rely on electrical duration."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424736 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:58:00")

">>1424734
Should cops be required to carry defibrillator units? Gotta bust it out after tasingsomeone"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424739 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:07:43")

">>1424734
>I'd expect mortality to heavily rely on electrical duration
You saw the chart, right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424743 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:10:35")

">>1424723
>>1424723
I don't know about most fences, but cattle fences specifically are designed to keep that effect from happening because they only have current 1/300th of a second per second, that way animals (or people) don't get stuck on them.

I watch a lot of gore though and any time someone hits power lines with something metal, they clamp the fuck on and start smoking about 10 seconds later."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424748 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:16:51")

">>1424736
Of course not. They're as unlikely to kill someone holding them against against the ground as tasing.

Go piss on a less painful electric fence."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424753 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:22:26")

">>1424736
Why not just make a combo unit that has a taser on one end and a defibrillator on the other? Cops love high tech shit like that. Could save lives."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424754 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:26:42")

">>1424739
I'd like the "AC-#" and test conditions defined. It looks mostly current dependent."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1424758 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:49:21")

">>1424753
>Could save lives
Defibrillators are way more dangerous than tasers. A typical defibrillator is off the right side of the chart here >>1424727, and it would need a capacitor bank and larger battery than what is typical for tasers. They're made to reliably stop the heart, after all."
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