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public void Werethereanyexamplesofwomengettingsecretabortionsinantiquity?(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "Were there any examples of women getting secret abortions in antiquity?";
int postNumber = "4989114";
String image = "aborted gf.jpg";
String date = "07/12/18(Thu)00:44:54";
String comment = "surely there had to be a few, with all of the decadence going around among aristocrats back then";

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public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4989265 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:50:03")

">>4989114
There was that plant used by Romans to force a miscarriage that was cultivated to extinction"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4989271 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:51:59")

">>4989265

Didn't the Greeks use it too? I heard it was also applied for a lot of medicinal purposes as well. Still, it wouldn't be surprising that a lot of women back in medieval Europe would just dump their babies out in the woods for the wolves to pick at."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4989493 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:05:04")

">>4989265
>>4989271
Silphium. It's not really certain if it was an abortifacient or just a contraceptive.

In either case, there's few or no cases of women getting abortions in secret because abortions weren't illegal in antiquity."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4989496 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:06:15" && image=="Perfecto.jpg")

">>4989223";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4993233 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:28:16")

">>4989271
>Didn't the Greeks use it too?
All the mediterranean used it, but the romans in particular were obsessed. Used it for literally every fucking sickness and as food too (basically half of Apicius's recipees called for it)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4993246 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:31:28")

">>4989114
Boy, they would kill newborns if they didn't want them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4993806 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:34:47")

">>4989114

Some Hunter-gatherer tribes practice infanticide up to the age of 2.

The only reason abortions was a "no no" is because psychopath leaders have always wanted to prime the pyramid schemes of civilized society with new bodies to hold the musical chairs of those who came before them.

What's worse than killing a fetus is crippling the cognition of millions of babies in 3rd world countries by giving hospitals dry formula.

coughNestlecough

If anti-abortionists would fight for kids already born and struggling, it'd be a far more fruitful battle than railing against the equivalent of a little kangaroo baby.

There are millions of millions of kids who are slaves, who are exposed to chemicals that will ruin their mental and physical health in less than a decade, who are raped and abused, etc.

So much care for the unborn but little care for those who are born but on the outskirts of society."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4993840 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:48:03")

">>4989114
Yes anon, if there isn't a safe easy way to do it, there's always a flight of stairs to throw yourself down.
Plenty of natural and herbal remedies that act as abortifacts that have been known forever."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994032 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:12:17")

">>4993840
Could you name a few please?
For educational purposes of course"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994035 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:15:04" && image=="1521347706528.jpg")

"how common were abortions due to rapes by foreign armies before the 20th century?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994064 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:25:26")

">>4994035
It's probably more apt to call them intentional miscarriages than abortions, stabbing a foetus in the head with a bit of metal or sinking shitloads of piss isn't exactly the best method"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994114 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:49:06")

"what's the difference between abortion and wiping off the cum?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994131 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:55:20")

">>4989114
They focused contraception than abortion because it was a heck of a lot safer. Doctors documented the advice they gave to men and women who didn't want to have another little Pericles or Brutus running around the house.
My favorite technique was the lacedaemonian leap."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994133 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:56:26" && image=="1522573958849.png")

">>4994114
Because sperm on it's own isn't a fucking fertilized egg developing into an infant.
Because haploid cells are different than diploid cells.
God I fucking loath the actually retarded people who make this dreadful, uninformed pathetic argument."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994139 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:57:46")

">>4994133
so what. ur not an egg"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994144 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:58:55")

">>4994139
I once was and so were you, faggot."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994150 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:00:58")

">>4994144
you were cum too then"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994158 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:05:57")

">>4994150
No, I wasn't.
In case you didn't know, a human being is formed by sperm fertilizing an egg."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994166 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:08:37")

"wtf happened to half the posts on this thread?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994187 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:19:55")

">>4994158
>christcuck logic"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994248 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:45:04")

"spartans threw unwanted children off cliffs, and other greeks left them to die in the wilderness.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994343 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:21:33")

">>4989496
What did he say?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4994352 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:24:51")

">>4994158
Formed by sperm
And formed by an egg
And by fertilization
So you were sperm and an egg at one point"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996005 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:00:08")

">>4994131
>lacedaemonian leap

Sounds hot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996029 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:04:18" && image=="1526918263218.jpg")

">>4994133
>>4994144
>>4994158
>pro-life """people"""
Is there anything more cringey and proof of severe fundamentalist brainwashing?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996126 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:19:43")

"Forced miscarriage is an old and widespread practice. Infanticide, as noted, much moreso. It is easy to think that people and societies have changed a lot since [arbitrary date or period], but they have changed a lot less than most people seem to think.

It's worth mentioning that God has seen fit to kill more newborns and little babies than all the abortions, miscarriages and infanticides combined throughout history, so faith-based arguments against abortion are kind of flat. I legitimately respect the view that abortion can seen as murder, even if I disagree. But to believe that God especially favors fetuses and babies is just fucking ludicrous."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996134 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:20:52")

">>4996005
>jumping so that the woman's heels were to touch her buttocks with each jump
It certainly does"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996142 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:22:01")

">>4989114
Theodora allegedly had an abortion back in her days as a prostitute before meeting Justinian"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996162 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:24:23")

">>4989114

What the fuck is this"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996401 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:10:44")

">>4993806
>What's worse than killing a fetus is crippling the cognition of millions of babies in 3rd world countries by giving hospitals dry formula.
If you think that's what makes 3rd worlders retarded, you might be one of them"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996426 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:18:04" && image=="A91A9FCB-8AF5-4B00-B026-41F8A62AC07A.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996450 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:21:04")

"Not from antiquity but i am reminded of the story of Mary Hamilton, favored mistress of Peter the Great. She was convicted of multiple counts of infanticide (possibly Peter's bastards) and sentenced to death. Peter attended her execution and afterwards held up her head to the crowd and went on for a while about her beauty and then devolved into a lecture about anatomy.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996468 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:23:22")

">>4996029
Yeah, you.

>>4989114
Abortions were a big deal in many Islamic societies. Harem politics made having another kid a big fucking deal, and could potentially jeopardize the status of the existing children. Likewise, as women are not allowed to say no to their husband if he wants another child "oops, it was a miscarriage :(" was a frequent solution. There was also the issue of a woman's "sister-wives" forcing her to have an abortion or to miscarry in order to benefit the status of their own existing children.

Abortions in present day Islamic societies are a tricky issue also because, although there's no outright prohibition against an abortion, it's a crime for a woman to get an abortion and a husband can force his wife to get an abortion whether she wants one or not."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996487 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:27:28")

">>4996029
Ugh, people have different opinions than me. Cringe!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996529 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:33:57")

">>4996126
>It's worth mentioning that God has seen fit to kill more men and little women will illness than all the manslughters, wars and homicides combined throughout history, so faith-based arguments against murder are kind of flat.

You're one of those dry formula babbies aren't you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996577 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:40:38" && image=="Golly, Sergeant you mean we get to see a real life meme.png")

"Anyone got the link to that thread talking about abortion clinic bombings in America from a few months ago?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996630 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:48:10")

">>4994158
>No, I wasn't.
Jesus, is that you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996637 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:49:15")

">>4996426
kek
the absolute state of /r9k/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4996644 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:50:08")

">>4996487
This is correct.

People who disagree with me should be liquidated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4997390 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:06:58")

">>4996401

I didn't say it was the sole reason. But you're a fucking idiot if you can't understand that breast milk provides far more benefits than formula. Formula literally makes them dumber than average.

I don't know how to simplify that further."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4997405 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:08:59")

">>4997390
CONT

These effects would happen regardless of socioeconomic status. It's just that Nestle literally gave free formula to hospitals around the world in an effort to convince 3rd worlders that formula was better than breast milk. You have millions of babies with reduced cognition.

If you think healthy 3rd worlders are dumb, imagine them being even dumber.That's what formula has done to millions of babies around the world."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4997481 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:22:13")

">all the millions and millions of aborted Chinese girls

makes me really sad"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4997487 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:23:03")

">>4993246
Pretty much this
It wasn't so much the pregagncy that was an issue (unlike for modern cancer feminist) but raising the kid

And since nowdays adoption exists, abortion shouldn't be a thing
Whores who get impregnated without wishing it should be forced to carry the child (jesus christ what a torture ;_;), and once born it'd be put to adoption"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==4999661 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:00:34")

"bump";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000625 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:50:52")

">>4997487
Adoption is a scheme for pedophiles and crazies to abuse and brainwash kids into accepting abuse as okay.

>jesus christ what a torture ;_;
Yeah, pregnancy is pretty fucking bad and dangerous on the body, plus there's the issue you're depriving a person of their own body against their will, which opens the way for further abuse like that. The fetus doesn't have the right to enslave another person."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000686 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:08:43")

">>5000625
>the fetus doesn't have the right to enslave another person
Just like the mother doesn't have the right to kill another person
>adoption is a scheme for pedophiles and crazies to abuse and brainwash kids into accepting abuse as okay
Abortion is often a scheme for pedophiles and rapists to hide evidence of their crime"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000715 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:14:22")

">>5000686
The mother has the right to remove any unwelcome presence from her property, and her body is her property.

>Abortion is often a scheme for pedophiles and rapists to hide evidence of their crime
>pedophiles
How can pedos rape a kid that doesn't exist, exactly?
>rapists
If someone rapes a woman, their crime and the evidence of his crime is against the woman, not against the fetus. The fetus is a byproduct of the rape the woman rightly wants to remove."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000745 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:23:50" && image=="VRETENA.jpg")

">>4989114

older/experienced women, or men who knew shit such as priests and whichdoctors, knew how to get rid of unwanted babyes, some methods were mechanical, some chemical, many involved poisoning or selfabuse, usualy some combination of toxic plants and long sharp implements were used, the spindle was often applyed

this goes so long back into prehistory and had so many different forms its impossible to even talk about outside specific context

that how kids were seen differed from culture to culture and that many cultures practiced infanticide is a whole other, if related, story"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000749 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:25:04")

">>5000715
Pedophiles and rapist bring their victims to abortion clinic to hide the fact that girl who had sex is clearly to young and abortion clinic employees often ignore it and other signs that woman is abused.
In most cases the woman welcomed the child by agreeing to have sex.
Of course people have right to remove unwelcome presence from their property but not by brutally killing that unwanted guest
I can throw someone away from my flat, but not by pushing him/her out the window, especially if
>I brought them here without their consent
>they temporarily have no way of quiting without dying"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000801 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:40:21")

">>5000749
>abortion clinic employees often ignore it
Got any proof of that, because in the civilized world people who see an abused child report it to the authorities.

>the woman welcomed the child by agreeing to have sex
Not at all. One can agree to sex but not to children, one does not necessarily lead to the other and people have sex to have sex, not to have children. Sex is not consent to pregnancy.

>Of course people have right to remove unwelcome presence from their property but not by brutally killing that unwanted guest
That's the fetus' problem, should have thought of that before coming into existence without the woman's consent. When the unwanted guest threatens your life and liberty, you can remove them by any means including deadly force if so necessary. Her right not to be enslaved trumps the fetus' right to life since its existence is a direct attack on her liberty thanks to people like you.

>I brought them here without their consent
They brought themselves without the host's consent.
>they temporarily have no way of quiting without dying
Not the woman's problem. Freezing homeless dudes are going to die too but that doesn't mean we can force people to take in strangers they don't want in their homes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000833 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:49:34")

"It's literally in the bible, if your wife has committed adultery then she should be made to drink "bitter water" so that she'll miscarry. God literally tells you to abort kids that aren't yours.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000834 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:49:37")

">>4997487
>Whores who get impregnated without wishing it
I would allow them to get an abortion in another state or country and upon return give her a choice between 25 years in jail for murder or compulsory steralization, in the latter choice they would do some jail time too but only a few weeks"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000875 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:58:46")

">>5000801
>got any proof of that, because in the civilized world people who see an abused child report it to the authorities
There was loud for some time about PP covering sexual abuse and sex trafficers and when you realise these people dismember children for money it suddenly isn't that unbelivable that they wouldn't report
Consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. There is always a chance that woman would get pregnant.
>that's the fetus' problem
Fetus couldn't think before existing, woman should think before bringing fetus to existence. Right to life is most basic of all rights and it trumps right to not be uncomfortable for nine months.
>freezing homeless dudes
It is not some random stranger it is woman's child, blood of her blood, flesh of her flesh.
Freezing dudes would freeze if you do nothing but child when left without your action would live"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000879 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:59:47")

">>5000834
Majority of abortions is married women who already have kids and don't want more.

>let's destroy families for a formless blob literally without brain or sentience, yay"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000892 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:01:46")

">>5000833
It is instruction what to do when someone suspects his wife was cheating but has no proof
That "bitter water" is just water with some dust from the floor, at worst she would get stomach aches"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000898 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:02:46")

">>5000879
>let's dismember children, yay"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000978 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:20:05")

">>5000875
>PP covering sexual abuse and sex trafficers
All PP or just some corrupted officers? I don't see the police getting dismantled despite the huge number of corrupted officers it has.

>these people dismember children
Fake news.
1)They provide medical services to women who want them.
2) Surgical abortions are in the minority, most fetuses are simply not allowed to attach themselves to the mother and get flushed out accordingly.
3)Fetuses are not children.

>Fetus couldn't think before existing
Thanks for admitting they are literally brainless blobs and not people.

>woman should think before...
She does, that's why she wants to keep her right to have an abortion in case things don't go as planned. And she did not bring the fetus into existence, it did so itself.

>Right to life is most basic of all rights
It's right on par with right to liberty. You forfeit your right to life when you infringe upon another person's liberty. Unwanted pregnancy infringes upon a woman's liberty by depriving her of her rightful choice about herself and her everyday life for a huge number of absolutely normal and accepted things, denying her her ownership over herself and freedom in her life for someone else, thus she right to remove the offender from herself. Pregnancy is a much bigger deal than "being uncomfortable for nine months", a woman is effectively unjustly restrained in her freedom to live as she wants and that's unacceptable.

>It is not some random stranger
It is. She doesn't know anything about this stranger, what it thinks, what it wants, etc. etc. It is a total stranger to her much like a relative you don't know is still a total stranger to you, and she wants it out of her body as its her right to.

>left without your action would live
Not necessarily. There's a whole range of actions that might impact the fetus that woman still has the right and necessity to do A woman has the right to live her life too without getting unjustly restrained by another."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000985 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:21:42")

">>5000898
>brainless blobs are children
>brainless blobs are more important than living, breathing, thinking, sentient people"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5000997 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:24:55" && image=="slownik.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001024 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:30:47")

">>5000997
Just because I can call you a turd doesn't make you a literal turd, retard. Or is that what you want? Turds don't have rights."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001031 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:32:33")

">>5000879
i don´t know where you are from but here it´s the younger women who fuck around that do those.
>doesn´t want any more babies
I don´t care if you are old or young, don´t want them you either keep your legs closed until menopause or you use contraceptives"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001033 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:33:14")

"There is literally nothing wrong with abortion";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001040 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:34:27")

">>5001031
Contraceptive aren't 100% sure and accidents happens"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001050 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:38:02")

">>5000978
>all PP or just some corrupted officers?
Regular employees not all but significant numer
Police is neccesary for society and PP is no more necessary than any other corporation.

>fake news
True news
1. They are focused on abortion
2.You don't understand what medical abortion is, you don't know that you are pregnant when the child hasn't attached.
3.Fetus=unborn child after 3 months

Fetus can't think before existing because no one can. You also didn't think before you started existing. The key word is BEFORE.

Relative I don't know is still my relative and still a human with rights
If I remember correctly parents have duty to care after their children and aren't allowed to harm them
There were cases in USA where women were accused of child abuse for drinking/smoking/taking drugs while pregnant
If it is child abuse how paying someone to kill your child isn't?

Even if right to life is as important as right to liberty, abortion will make child unreversably dead and continuing pregnancy will in most cases last nine months."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001064 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:42:39")

">>5001040
>and accidents happens

Very rarely
Huge majority of abortions result from "forgetting" to use contraception"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001066 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:43:55")

">>5001064
Which can count as an accident"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001121 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:00:50" && image=="question.jpg")

">>5001024
You are the retard for fuck sake. he calls you out with a renowed dicitionary and you have the balls to say they are wrong and call him retard
Do you need a latin one too you faggot?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001122 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:01:26" && image=="images.jpg")

">>5001121
ha for fuck sake"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001131 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:03:37")

">>5001050
>women's reproductive care and services aren't necessary it's not like women are people too
This is you.

>you don't know that you are pregnant
Tons of women know well in time for medical abortion.

>fetuses don't think
Not an excuse to deprive people of their rights. In fact it's an argument to care more about people, who do feel and think, than about fetuses which are on par with vegetables in this.

>relative I don't know still has human rights
If your relative tried to insert himself inside you without your consent, you'd damn well have the right to harm him and even kill him to remove him from yourself if he won't do it himself.

>parents have a duty
After the child is born and if they don't forfeit their parental rights leaving in the hospital, yes.

>if it's child abuse how
Were those accusations recognized as valid or were they thrown out?
I'm guessing those women had willingly accepted their pregnancies, that would give those accusations some leg to stand on. Abortion is still legal because you can't force a woman to accept a pregnancy she isn't willing to have. Continuing pregnancy against one's will deprives them of their body, making it a precedent for someone to effectively own another person and restrain them in their freedom against their will. We call that slavery. That's not acceptable even for a second."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001141 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:04:50")

">>5001040
condoms do work for 99 per cent of the times, unleass you are retard that doens´t know how to put one or you buy cheap ones that break"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001234 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:33:39")

">>5001031
>you either keep your legs closed until menopause or you use contraceptives
You know there are sentient people that have problems that they have to deal with, and then you pop up like the fucking lorax to defend the grape sized blob without a trace of nerve activity.
Why? What argument could you possibly have besides "it doesn't feel right"?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001299 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:49:30")

">>5001234
think with your head not your dick/cunt/heart or whatever you want to call it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001412 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:17:55")

">>5001299
>I want you to get married but I don't want you to care about your partner
and they say liberals are the ones that want to destroy marriage"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001437 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:24:01")

">>5001412
>wanting to be married to adult female a intelligence of a 6 year old
What is the problem with contraceptives, it's just because "it doesn't feel right?"
We are not in the 50´s anymore, that means i don´t get to be jackass telling you to go to the kitchen but it also means adult woman also have to be responsible for their actions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001468 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:30:28")

">>5001437
>What is the problem with contraceptives
Sometimes they fail. People like you like to suggest condoms, but condoms have a 28% failure rate. A better suggestion would be the pill (9% failure) or even better the hormonal IUD (0.02%) but then pills and iuds are expensive and you don't like helping those poorer than you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001502 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:40:25")

">>5001437
>hurr durr current year"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001587 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:03:17")

">>4996029
>anti-murder ""people"""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001590 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:03:50")

">>4989114
Aristotle, Book VII of the Politics:

As to exposing or rearing the children born, let there be a law that no deformed child shall be reared; but on the ground of number of children, if the regular customs hinder any of those born being exposed, there must be a limit fixed to the procreation of offspring, and if any people have a child as a result of intercourse in contravention of these regulations, abortion must be practised on it before it has developed sensation and life; for the line between lawful and unlawful abortion will be marked by the fact of having sensation and being alive."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001634 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:19:26")

">>5001468
>28% failure rate
I reccomend condom because pills fuck you up, condoms don´t fail unleass they came with factory defect, it´s the people that often don´t know how to use them or one of them pierces it with a needle on purpose, on wich case it fails 2 out of 100 times, either way there is also Diaphragm, The Intrauterine Device, the Sponge, the Spermicide, the natural method, the female condom, the Sponge etc.

They are still better than having sex without any when you aren´t willing to carry the child, wich is the real cause for most abortions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001697 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:36:16" && image=="800px-Effectivenessofcontraceptives.png")

">>5001634
>condoms don´t fail
Why do people like you keep spreading disinformation?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001710 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:39:44")

">>5001697
Most of the time when a condom "fails" that means that the person was relying on condoms as their primary method of birth control, got drunk, and didn't bother to use one.

This being said, you should stack condoms, and birth control pills, because shit happens."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001723 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:44:26" && image=="1531370694002.jpg")

"Alt-right shitters are really making this entire board unbearable";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001757 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:56:24")

">>5001710
That's why fire-and-forget methods where the user doesn't have to interact with the birth control have failure rates in the 0.%. And THOSE are methods people should recommend to people, not fucking condoms.

Pretending that people can't fuck up when they are to interact with something is idiotic. Human error is always a factor and the greater the reliance on precise human action, the greater the chance of things going wrong there is. Yet when it comes to birth control prolifers always go "hurr condoms" as if condoms aren't among the most fucking stupid methods for preventing pregnancy with how easy it is to fail and never for consult with a doctor, and if there are no complications get an implant or a iud. If there are complications, work down the ladder of efficiency until you find something that does not cause problems to you while being easy and efficient enough to confidently manage without risking too much error." Fucking why?!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001758 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)12:56:24")

">>5001299
>muh feelings
not sure what I expected really
>>5001710
say that is true and condoms have a perfect success rate when used responsibly, you do realize that the children that are born will be born to irresponsible parents, correct? They are irresponsible not just because they do not take precautions, but also that they do not wish to raise a child. Not to mention if they have acceptable funds to do so.
Why would you enforce that the child exists in this scenario when it could be aborted?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001777 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:01:22")

">there are people that would ban abortion but allow circumcision";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001782 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:02:28")

">>5001777
Oy vey don't you start another shoah in here now."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001787 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:03:55")

">>5001758
I'm in favor of abortion.

Religious fundamentalists will frequently try to convince kids that condoms have a 30% failure rate on the logic that it will scare them away from having sex."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001848 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:20:30" && image=="41A154E8-4221-4524-A4BF-803C5BF9F460.jpg")

">4993806
Seriously, fucking this.

Bible-thumper arguments are pure bad faith hypocrisy, they don’t give a shit about the children, they care about controlling women. The fact that they couldn’t give less of a shit about babies already born is proof of that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001852 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:21:03")

">>5001848
Meant for
>>4993806 #"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001870 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:25:59")

">>5001848
>hey if you don't house the homeless how can you be against murdering them"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001887 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:29:54")

">>5001870
Because you are refusing to address the problems that lead to them being homeless in the first place, and you are opposing proven methods to reduce rates of homelessness.

In short, we’ve caught on to your tricks: you want there to be homeless people, you want them to be so desperate that they’ll do whatever you tell them to do. Of course you don’t want to murder them: how do you cheat dead men out of their labor?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001910 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:34:41")

">>5000625
>eah, pregnancy is pretty fucking bad and dangerous on the body

Then maybe they should think about that before fucking some drunk retard and getting pregnant?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001915 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:35:38")

">>5001848
waaaaah muh body muh rules

waaaaaah tyrone abandoned me what must I do now :("
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001925 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:37:31")

">>5001915
Cool memes, bro. I like how you threw the racial component in there even though the conversation didn’t call for it. I also like how you don’t actually have a counter argument, just your poor, hurt fee-fees"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5001985 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)13:52:29")

">>5001758
>>muh feelings
I am not sure what you are hinting at, but i think you are retarded.
>Why would you enforce that the child exists in this scenario when it could be aborted?
You are making an argument were we kill children out of pitty. If i know you, or anybody else really, are or might turn out to be a shithead or have some depression, will it be ok to kill you too out of pity?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002099 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)14:20:05")

">>4993806
>>5001887

You are really dumb you know that? You wants us to show we worry about those other types when we show care for our own while you cant even care for your own people or even flesh and blood
>poor 3rd world babies
>hobbos
Sure, if we kill them all they wont be a problem anymore, like how if we kill anybody that has a problem that person wont have a problem anymore. that is some high level of consciousness, and i thought i was the one spending too much time on /pol/
In the end you show how you don´t want to improve anyones lives other than your own but by comming from a place of selfishness, this is how we know you don´t care for the homeless nor the babies who are born to incompetent fathers (as if that stoped babies from being happy before)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002117 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)14:23:30")

">>5001131
Newsflash - hospitals exist
Also
>killing
>medical care

When the child isn't attached you don't know you are pregnant. Medical abortion works in 2 phases
>blocking flow of nutrients to child so he/she starves
>causing dead child to fall out of uterus

What I can understand from your point is that people who haven't been thinking before they existed aren't human
Wut.jpg

>were those accusations recognized as valid or were they thrown out?
Yes, they were recognized as valid
Search for pregnant women sued for child abuse

>we call that slavery. That's not acceptable even for a second
You know what else is unacceptable? Abortion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002185 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)14:39:40")

"REEEEEEEEEEEEE CHAUVINISTIC CAPITALISTIC REPBULICANS REEE, WREEEEEE
THEY JUST WANT TO INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002839 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)16:40:18")

">>5002117
>abortion
>not medical care

>hospitals exist
Do they even provide affordable abortions and other reproductive care in burgerland? They do in tax-funded EU.

>When the fetus isn't attached you don't know you are pregnant
Nigger what.

Mifepristone (mifeprex) and misoprostol is the medical abortion procedure, used up to the first 7 to 9 weeks of pregnancy. Mifepristone blocks progesterone from the uterine lining, causing the lining to break down, flushing the unwanted guest out along with the whole endometrium. In 7 to 9 weeks people can notice they are pregnant.

>blocking flow of nutrients to child so he/she starves
Sex develops around 16th to 18th week of pregnancy, at 7-9 weeks it's literally a formless blob. And no, that's now it works, the lining of the uterus is made to collapse on itself bringing down everything with it. It's in fact an induced menstruation.

>people who haven't been thinking before they existed aren't human
The fetus exists but it still can't think, the brain fully develops quite late in the pregnancy. Yeah, clumps without a brain aren't really human in the same way a fully formed living person is.

>Yes, they were recognized as valid
Links please?

>You know what else is unacceptable?
Your life and your misinformed opinions of course. Abortion is perfectly acceptable."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002970 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:07:39")

">>5002839
>Do they even provide affordable abortions and other reproductive care in burgerland? They do in tax-funded EU.
Why are you even praising this? Half of the people in most european countries, including the women are being forced to pay for something they don´t agree with. It´s another show of how pro choice people are irresponsable and selfish"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002983 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:11:03")

">>5002970
If abortion is illegal, I have to pay for a bunch of unwanted hoodlums.

Abortion saves taxpayer dollars."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5002992 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:14:41")

">>5002970
>forced to pay for something they don´t agree with
Healthcare, including women's reproductive care, which includes abortions, isn't something you have to agree with. Women have the right to get the healthcare they need no matter if you agree with it or not, because their right to health is more important than your opinion. You're free to leave for the US where you have to pay everything yourself, but then don't bitch when organizations like PP are set up to cater to those who can't afford outrageous hospital bills.
>why do people poorer than me want care too, fuck the poor
Prolifer to a T."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003013 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:20:27")

">>5002983

If abortion is legal, we all have to pay for unwanted abortions. Why not cut down to it and do a steralization?
Or are you concerned with yourself and your money only? And what the fuck will you ever do with hoarded money if you have no descendants?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003021 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:22:40")

">>5003013
I'll spend the money on children that were wanted, were raised in stable, loving households, and grew up in a world that was safer and more prosperous due to the paucity of undesireables.

As much as you'd like it to be otherwise, there are simply limited resources, and sometimes you have to make decisions about how to use them most efficiently.

Abortions and birth control are really effective uses of resources. Instead of 60 years of welfare, you pay 200 bucks once for a uterine scraping or a round of abortifacents."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003029 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:24:42")

">>5003013
>Why not cut down to it and do a steralization?
Just because they don't want a kid now doesn't mean they don't want kids ever?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003075 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:37:54")

">>5002992

I don´t know were you are from but here doctors aren´t forced to do abortions if they don´t agree with it, wich clearly says it´s more a political issue than a issue on rights or healt
And i do have to pay for my shit, i choose private hospital everytime since im INSURED, so i end up paying taxes and insurance wheater i like it or not because the public sector is overburdened
And yes, i get a saying because im a taxpayer you faggot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003086 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:40:07")

">>5003013
>If abortion is legal, we all have to pay for unwanted abortions.
how so?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003091 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:42:14")

">>5003075
>it´s a political issue
Of course it is. That's what the pro-life movement is about, subjugating women.

>I get a saying because im a taxpayer
So are the women who want abortions."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003126 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:49:52")

">>5003021
this is utterly retarded, while the world might not be as safe as 20 years ago it still is saffer than 100 years ago, from the random war to working conditions and even medicine
You are basically saying you either lack the confidence right now or thath you are wainting to become barren
This not to mention that it´s unpredictable how the kid would turn out, if rich or poor
With that mentality we would have gone extint by now
>>5003029
>freeze egg
>freeze sperm
>???
>have baby and fuck without condom all you want

Do you live in fantasy world were everyone was planned and their lives went as planned?
Protip (well not right now actually): You can still be happy even if you don´t get everything you want"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003157 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:56:11" && image=="you.jpg")

">>5003126
>freeze egg
The majority of IVF cycles end in failure, only a fifth are successful. And there is always the chance that the frozen eggs might not survive the thawing process, or could have chromosomal abnormalities.

>tfw iceland can eradicate down's syndrome thanks to abortion but burgers actually want their kids to be retarded"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003159 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:56:27")

">>5003091
>subjugating women.
I see so you hit rock bottom retardation, at least from now on it will only improve this conversation. So being responsible for your actions correlates to subjugation?
>So are the women who want abortions.
So are the women who don´t want abortions, around half of them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003187 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:02:15")

">>5003157
Hold on now... I agree with abortions in some specific cases, like that or even the possibility of death by the mother. But on any case i would have a way of making the procedure as transparent as possible."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003199 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:05:12")

">>5002099
>You are really dumb you know that? You wants us to show we worry about those other types when we show care for our own while you cant even care for your own people or even flesh and blood

What the fuck are you talking about you fucking idiot?

Stupider people means more unstable regimes and dispersal to more structured societies aka our own.

Seriously, what fucking dumb shit are you smoking? You want less refugees from 3rd world countries you stupid twat."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003211 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:08:53")

">>5003126
People in their 30s have more money than people in their 20s or teens.

I don't intend to have children until I can actually support a wife and children instead of living in a dorm with four other guys and eating nothing but protein bars and Guacamole.

Most people in industrialized countries have a limited number of children, so every unplanned pregnancy prevents a child from being born later on down the line, a child that would likely be better off.

Either way, I want all of the undesirables aborted as quickly as possible so that things stay comfy. Free birth control and sterilization too ideally."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003216 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:09:38")

">>5003159
>being responsible for your actions
Getting an abortion is being responsible for your actions. Shitting out a kid you don't want means two things:

1) You don't keep the kid and you dump it on the state, adding to the burden for 18 years at least
2) You keep the kid but since you don't want it you're going to resent it and neglect it, creating yet another mentally ill subhuman for other people to deal with as studies show, see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232541021_Born_Unwanted_Developmental_Effects_of_Denied_Abortion

Abortion is the most responsible thing one can do when they don't want a child. Saves the state time, resources and money, spares society of maladapted incels and other mentally ill outcasts.

>women who don´t want abortions, around half of them
Got any stats to back that up? Do they not want an abortion for themselves or do they want to deprive other women of the choice and force them into pregnancy? The former is acceptable but the latter is an infrigiment of other people's rights."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003226 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:11:24")

">>5003187
>the possibility of death
You mean like in Savita Halappanavar's case where doctors saw she had a very low possibility of complications so they denied her an abortion but then oops she got worse and she died anyway?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003235 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:13:51")

">>5003199
CONT

This is also a more pertinent priority because the USA brain drains countries all over the world, leaving the mediocre to govern their nations. You want a smarter average population to jack up the rates of IQs at the far right end."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003257 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:20:11")

">>5003187
>Savita Halappanavar was a 31-year-old Indian dentist who died on 28 October 2012 at University Hospital Galway in Ireland due to the complications of a septic miscarriage at 17 weeks' gestation. The miscarriage took seven days to unfold, and early in the process, when it was clear that the miscarriage was inevitable, Halappanavar requested an abortion. At that time the medical team had not diagnosed her with a blood infection, and her request was denied because the medical team did not judge that her life was in danger. The medical team eventually did diagnose the sepsis and began trying to treat it, and when they determined that Halappanavar's life was in danger they had planned to administer misoprostol to induce delivery, but the miscarriage completed before they were able to. The sepsis continued developing and she died of cardiac arrest caused by the sepsis.

Waiting until there's a possibility of death means shit has gotten so bad you're condemning the woman to death. No. Fuck off murderer."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003263 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:22:00")

">>5003199
>Stupider people means more unstable regimes and dispersal to more structured societies aka our own.

We fucked up those places, we have our fingerprints in africa and midle east on even how the borders were made, but the main culprits were the US and the Soviet Union and also China from around the 70´s at least in africa.
Europe hoped on the ride and has been taking in immigrants since the end of ww2 and has also been interventive occasionally.
You´d ought to blame those who fucked up Lybia, sent arms to terrorists in Syria and has been buying blood diamonds from african warlords and aknowleding their regimes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003265 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:22:59")

">>5003263
>You´d ought to blame those who fucked up Lybia
So France?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003285 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:30:34")

">>5003257
I mean like my cousin that went on a journey to find herself in Australia
>started fucking some rice-boy
>got pregnant
>couldn´t make her mind, in the end decides to return to europe
>she has to break up with the boyfriend
>they agreed on abortion, no problem
>Australian law in wichever state she was didn´t allow abortion tough
>"Shit! Can´t use my insurance"
>at this moment her gynecologist tells her it´s ok, she will just diagnose her as potential healt damage pregnancy
>Australian taxpayers pays for this shit even tough it´s illegal

Tell me if i ought to laugh or to cry"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003299 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:34:15" && image=="dd.jpg")

">>5003265
And the UK and Canada also participated, and those who offered bases like Italy, also those in the UN security council who voted in favour"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003304 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:35:41")

">>5001131
>If your relative tried to insert himself inside you without your consent
If you have unprotected sex you are implicitly welcoming the child. He didn't insert himself, you and your partner brought him to this world by fucking without rubber, you fucking roastie.

>fetuses don't think
In North Carolina is legal to abort before 22 weeks after conception, and in states like New York or Massachusets are even less restricted. In that time the child has already developed his brain, limbs, and his respiratory and circulatory systems. It's during this stage when the fetus start kicking inside the uterus, reacts to what's happening around him. He isn't capable of abstract thinking, but even born children aren't until some weeks after their birth. The important thing is that the fetus is sentient and can feel pain."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003314 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:38:09")

">>5003304
US Federal case law only protects abortions when the fetus can't survive outside of the womb.

If you're opposed to late term abortions, that's a separate issue and you should take it up with your state legislature."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003321 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:40:03" && image=="ss.jpg")

">>5003257
>Fuck off murderer.
I'm giggling"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003339 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:43:48")

">>5003285
Nice story bro, but I'd rather believe a documented case like Savita than anon bullshitting on 4chan because he hates women.

>>5003304
>If you have unprotected sex you are implicitly welcoming the child
No, sex is not consent to pregnancy. While unprotected sex is dumb, it's still not consent.

>He didn't insert himself
Yes it did, that's why it can be removed without consequence for the woman."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003355 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:47:45")

">>4996126
A better question would be why in the fuck anyone should care about what a figure from a hebrew iron age fairy tale has to say one way or another about chemically induced miscarriages thousands of years past the point that figure was first imagined by some random goatfucker in the desert.

Abortion is in most cases a chemically induced miscarriage, I fail to see why any given woman should be penalized for having one as such, especially given how often pregnancies spontaneously miscarry on their own.

I have a great deal of disdain for modern feminism, but I really can't get too upset about this specific issue."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003368 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:50:58" && image=="pro-life is murder.jpg")

">>5003321
Of course you don't care when it's women dying."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003380 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:54:11")

">>5003339
>Nice story bro, but I'd rather believe a documented case like Savita than anon bullshitting on 4chan because he hates women.
I still love her sister and her mom you cunt. Whatever, you do well in not believing every shit you read on the internet. even if real"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003383 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:54:45")

">>4997487
pregnancy can kill you
it can leave you with diabetes for the rest of your life
it can separate the muscles on your abdomen and they never repair
it can cause hernias, damaged cervixes, and lifelong pain associated with pregnancy and birth
you can tear from vagina to butt
birth is EXTREMELY PAINFUL and can be traumatic
paying for the extra food, supplements, new clothes, and lifestyle change associated with pregnancy is expensive
paying for all the neonatal doctor visits is expensive
it costs SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS for medical expenses associated with giving birth
psychological issues from birth/pregnancy are not uncommon
you're put out of work for some amount of time
you endure a constipation, nausea, hemorrhoids, and a host of illnesses during the average pregnancy as well

birth and pregnancy is torturous. nevermind the pain associated with giving birth.

>>5001910
if you're concerned about women aborting their babies, don't have sex with them. it takes two. the only difference is she is the one that suffers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003391 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:56:23")

">>5003321
>conservashits caring more about hypothetical children than poor children that are ACTUALLY ALIVE
In other news, sky is blue"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003393 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:56:38" && image=="VQsy5h7.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003395 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:57:27")

">>5003380
>I still love her sister and her mom
Typical of men to only care for women who submit to the diktat or appear so. And at the same time they spew bullshit like "men's love is unconditional men are the ones to truly love""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003396 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:57:38")

">>5000875
>Right to life is most basic of all rights and it trumps right to not be uncomfortable for nine months.

its not just "uncomfortable for nine months" fucking retard. love this dismissive, minimizing bullshit.
you can literally die, all the costs associated with bringing a pregnancy to term are EXPENSIVE, the costs of giving birth are EXPENSIVE, and you can suffer irreversible medical complications and diseases due to pregnancy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003433 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:04:41")

">>5001985
>abortion is murder
work on your reading comprehension, you stupid shit.
the early fetus is completely mindless, do you remember what you experienced a thousand years before you were born? the same thing its feeling
equating abortion to killing a random person is as retarded as saying that a male commits genocide when he masterbates
>inb4 hurr a zygote is different
hardly, see above. you insist on inconveniencing people who can think in favor of undeveloped forms that cannot for petty, trivial reasons. Basically youre a dumbass."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003445 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:07:28" && image=="priorities.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003446 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:07:29")

">>5003314
What i'm getting at is that just because the fetus isn't capable of conscience it doesn't mean it's ok to murder him because you couldn't bother to act like an adult and put a fucking rubber. By that retarded logic we could just shoot newborns in incubators, or vegetables.

We're also forgetting the psychological stress it puts on the parents, specially the mother. Even if she doesn't consider the fetus a person, she knows that the thing inside her is growing into one, into her kid. Any human being should feel at least a little responsible for that, specially when that person brought it to this world. You think that the mother won't regret the abortion when she looks back? Taking a life, a life you are supposed to protect and take care of, isn't an easy thing, it doesn't matter how much you delude yourself into thinking that you're killing a blob instead of a child. When we are young we do a lot of shit that we regret later, and abortion isn't something you can fix."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003458 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:09:55")

">>5003433
>equating abortion to killing a random person is as retarded as saying that a male commits genocide when he masterbates
Come on, you aren´t this vicious honey. That is like saying every time a women has a period she is also killing someone like in abortion. The deed is locked once the sperm penetrates the egg"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003461 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:11:05")

">>5003458
menstruation isn't a choice.
jerking off is."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003464 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:11:49")

">>5003339
Doing anything is consenting its consequences. If you drink, you consent to getting drunk; if you smoke, you also consent to potencially getting lung cancer. If you have unprotected sex, you consent to getting you or your partner pregnant. Thinking otherwise is just inmature and irresponsible, and in no case should be encouraged by tha law."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003475 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:14:23")

">>5003464
>you also consent to potencially getting lung cancer.

and then we treat the lung cancer.
we don't say "sorry, you smoked, now you need to live out the consequence of lung cancer.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003482 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:15:57")

">>5003461
If a man doesn´t fuck or mastrubates he starts getting wet dreams,wich may lead to grinding and humping the bed during sleep, but will mostly certainly make him cum"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003494 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:18:15")

">>5003482
so if he stops making a conscious choice to kill his sperm, his body will periodically and naturally expel what is needed to keep him functional?
sounds like menstruation doesn't it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003495 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:18:33")

">>5003446
>we could just shoot newborns in incubators
Usually newborns in incubators are there because someone wants them to be there, so you'd have to get through the entity that literally placed them inside the incubator first.

>or vegetables
It's legal to shoot a plant. I mean it sure is retarded, but it's legal, retard.

>We're also forgetting the psychological stress it puts on the parents
Actually mothers face worse psychological stress when they are denied abortions, not when they get them at their request.

http://www.businessinsider.com/women-denied-abortions-suffer-violence-risk-death-2015-9

>Women who receive abortions feel a range of emotions following the procedure, Turnaway Study project director Rana Barar wrote in a blog post. But mostly, they feel relief and that they made the right decision.

>"When you ask women why they want an abortion, they tell you that they want it because they don't have enough money to raise a child, that their relationship with the man involved isn't good, and that they need to take care of the kids they already have," Foster told Tech Insider.

>The data so far suggests that they're usually right about those consequences.

>The team is currently finishing up the last month of interviews with participants, and is analyzing initial results from the full five years of data. One not-yet-published study even looks at the health of the children these women had given birth to before seeking an abortion.

>"Preliminary data suggests that existing children of women who are denied an abortion seem to do worse than the existing children of women who received an abortion, in terms of child development," Foster said."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003499 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:19:04")

">>5003475
>Comparing a child with cancer
You're a fucking psycho"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003501 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:19:59")

">>4994114
One kills a human the other just human fluid"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003504 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:20:19")

">>5003499
you're the one that compared pregnancy to lung cancer first lmao retard insulting your own fucking analogy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003507 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:21:04")

">>5003499
>compares pregnancy to lung cancer because both are unwanted consequences
>you know we treat unwanted consequences right
>you're a fucking psycho

Do you think children are punishment people should rightly hate, just like cancer?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003510 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:21:40")

">>5003494
kind of, thing is that a man takes around 1 day to fully refill whereas women releases one egg"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003515 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:22:45")

">>5003501
That "human" shouldn't have invaded someone else's property. We kill humans who do that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003523 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:24:22")

">>5003510
that isn't relevant to the point at all
just like women's eggs will die, his sperm naturally die

he will also not be at max ball busting capacity every single day where he needs to release them daily. the night time ejaculations don't occur daily - they happen as needed, like menstruation. the woman is literallyfull of every egg she will ever have when she is born. she releases them periodically until there are none left."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003530 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:27:15")

">>4994352
by that logic I was my father and my mother, I might have been a kang at some time"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003534 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:28:26")

">>4989114
>surely there had to be a few, with all of the decadence going around among aristocrats back then
Child exposure was common in pre-Christian Greece all the way up to Scandinavia. The Scandinavians practiced it until the 11th century,openly that is. The Carthaginians used to sacrifice children like animals, even purchasing children from the poor when they had no extras of their own. Killing children is common in antiquity. During the medieval era things are different,but that's never described as "antiquity"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003540 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:30:58")

">abortion is why i don’t have a girlfriend!

It’s all so tiresome lads"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003552 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:34:10")

">>5003523
>he will also not be at max ball busting capacity every single day where he needs to release them daily.
what do you mean by that?
And what are you trying to say?
Unlike women, men can produce sperm until they die albeit as he gets older he produces less"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003558 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:35:46")

">>5003540
more likely you never leave your own home and actually talk to anyone"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003561 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:36:49")

">>5003540
>wanted kids are more difficult to exploit, if women were forced to shit out more kids they can afford I might buy some off some uncaring parents like in the good ol' days"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003565 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:37:38")

">>5003552
i'm saying he is not every single day walking around with his balls so full of sperm that it is harmful to him. it doesn't matter if he's "constantly" producing sperm. sperm are also inside of him constantly dying and being re-absorbed into his system.
nocturnal emissions occur if too much accumulates, the same way menstruation occurs to clean out an unused egg and lining.

the point was only: masturbation is a conscious choice. it cannot be compared to menstruation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003597 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:50:01")

">>5003565
>i'm saying he is not every single day walking around with his balls so full of sperm that it is harmful to him. it doesn't matter if he's "constantly" producing sperm. sperm are also inside of him constantly dying and being re-absorbed into his system.
As for me it does, nevermind getting more agressive or getting aroused at even old women, but after a week or so it does, my balls agressively tell me to do something"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003621 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:59:15")

">>5003495
>>"When you ask women why they want an abortion, they tell you that they want it because t... their relationship with the man involved isn't good...

this is why we should also bring back shotgun weedings, the money is another problem"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003628 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)20:02:05")

">>5003621
>someone has a bad relationship
>logically the thing to do is strengthen it rather than end it already
Fun fact: women who abort tend to get out of abusive relationships while women are forced to carry the pregnancy to term stay in them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003650 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)20:12:22")

">>5003628

I never said that, I said when a man doesn´t want to take responsability for getting a women pregnant he should be forced to marry her, if it´s really his, such is the definition of the term
If by abuse they meant that they beat them or abuse them then it´s obvious she should leave the man"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003664 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)20:16:17")

">>5003650
>A handful of studies report that between 6% and 22% of women who seek an abortion report some kind of physical or emotional violence from their partner.

>Some women who seek out abortions do so because they want to leave an abusive partner, or because they worry that the child will be raised in a dangerous environment.

>While both women who have abortions and women who have a baby tend to cut off contact with the father in the long run, Foster said, those who go through with the pregnancy are more likely to be in contact with the father immediately after the birth.

>This suggests, then, that women who are able to end an unwanted pregnancy can more easily get out of a bad relationship, and potentially thwart further physical abuse.

>"This could explain the finding that violence from the man involved in the pregnancy decreases dramatically for the people who have an abortion," Foster said, "but does not decrease for people who carry the pregnancy to term."

>but forcing women to stay with their abusive partner is totally the solution guise"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003683 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)20:24:55")

">>5003664
Women should leave their abusive partner and seek help, specially if she is pregnant where the stress might fuck with the baby and consequently with the mother"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003695 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)20:28:50")

">>5003683
Being pregnant with a child you don't want is what stresses the mother. And there are plenty reasons not to want a kid, its father being a bad person among them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003775 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)20:58:19" && image=="ynrg9nd4a6411.png")

">>5003695
But anon, there are women who have the babies despite that without thinking in abortion, some believe it will change things, but are still worried that somehoow they will be treated like shit and their kids will be too, some women actually thinks in others but themselves, muh money, muh rights and muh empowerment, either it´s fair for her to leave the relationship and even abort since she would end up a single mother and have a hard time providing for her kid.
No wonder kids from single moms and wreked homes do badly, not only the dad is a shithead those women end up having contempt for their sons, specially when they are boys, it´s how you get this"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003782 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:00:43")

"it´s also how you get women growing up to distrust man, marriage and having children but this i´ve seen irl";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003902 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:23:37")

">>5003504
>>5003507

It's not comparing a kid with cancer, it's saying that both are consequences of an irresponsible behaviour. You're the ones saying that we should just "treat" the pregnancy, like a cold. You ate so much of your own shit you can't see the differemce between treating a disease and killing an unborn child, can you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003912 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:26:05")

">>5003902
>unborn child

Like referring to lumber as an "unbuilt home""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003959 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:36:34")

">>5003902
>pregnancy is a shitty horrible consequence just like lung cancer
>It's not comparing a kid with cancer

>both are consequences of an irresponsible behaviour
Yeah but just like there's chemo to deal with cancer, there's abortion to deal with unwanted pregnancies. You're the one that seem to want to inflict these bad things on people like they're a punishment even though there is a remedy (less certain with cancer but that's another matter)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003961 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:37:25" && image=="1522207669143.jpg")

">>5003912
No, lumber does not spontaneously grow into a house if laid out on a foundation.
You're an idiot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003975 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:40:54")

">>5003961
>lumber does not spontaneously grow into a house
If the embryo/fetus does things spontaneously, then the woman is not responsible for it, since it's acting according to its own will and not hers.
Ergo it's her right to remove it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5003990 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:45:15")

">>5003975
Counterpoint, the Zygote is a genetically unique human, completely different and genetically distinct from mother and father, and unless it consents to abortion, it can't be stopped from developing into an autonomous being.
The mother has every right not to conceive a child, but no right to stop the development of a unique human."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004014 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:50:56" && image=="dsa.jpg")

">>5003395
quote me on that, easy mode: you can quote anyone in this thread

>>4997481
>millions of chinese males will never even have a girlfriend
what the fuck were they even thinking, was it because they were trying to hard to lover their growth?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004021 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:52:35")

">>5003990
>unless it consents to abortion, it can't be stopped from developing into an autonomous being
It doesn't have the right to develop into anything at the expense of another person. It forfeited that right the moment it invaded another person's body without checking if the other person was okay with being pregnant or not. Just like you don't seek a home invader or a rapist's consent to stop invading your home or raping you, you force them to stop because it's your right to defend yourself from unwanted intruders.
The woman has every right to terminate a pregnancy she does not want, as the unwanted human, developed or not, is guilty of this attack her, her safety and her freedom. It can develop into a unique human on its own outside her body. Not her problem if it can't do that, that's its fault and its problem."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004033 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:55:08")

">>5004021
>It forfeited that right the moment it invaded another person's body without checking if the other person was okay with being pregnant or not
Having sex is an explicit acknowledgement that conception is a possibility, unless the mother or father completely sterilizes. Point moot."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004035 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:55:25")

">>5004014
Just because girls are born doesn't mean you'll have girlfriends. The West is full of girls and yet you people are still incel."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004041 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:56:27")

">>4994150
>>4994352
the individual is formed after the fecundation"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004051 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:58:20")

">>5004033
>Having sex is an explicit acknowledgement that conception is a possibility
Which is why people take birth control and, failing that, have abortions to make sure that no irresponsible things happen out of that possibility. Sex is not consent to pregnancy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004059 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:00:57")

">>5004051
>Which is why people take birth control
Failing to sterilize and completely removing the chance at pregnancy is acknowledging the chance of pregnancy
>that, have abortions to make sure that no irresponsible things happen out of that possibility
They have no right to terminate the life of a unique human, wiothout its consent, which they can't obtain.
>Sex is not consent to pregnancy
It is, in fact. Your rights do not give you the right to violate your fellow man's rights"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004082 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:04:42" && image=="sssss.jpg")

">>5004035
>seething"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004100 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:09:19")

">>5004059
>Failing to sterilize and completely removing the chance at pregnancy is acknowledging the chance of pregnancy
Not at all, since sterilization is unreasonable as it deprives them of the possibility to have children in the future.
>They have no right to terminate the life of a unique human
Yes they do. It should have asked before attaching itself like a leech to someone else's body. The woman has every right to get it out.
>Your rights do not give you the right to violate your fellow man's rights
A fetus does not have rights since it's not a person, and it's already violating the woman's right to liberty by existing. She has the right to protect herself and her liberty from it.
>It is
It's not. One can have sex and not get pregnant, prevent pregnancy by flushing out the intruder before it can implant with emergency contraception, and terminate an unwanted pregnancy if she wants. No one can deprive a woman of her body, especially not a formless blob."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004164 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:28:29")

">>5004100
Female´s rights activist groups use that word freedom but i don´t think they know it´s meaning, or that they even have implications to it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004173 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:30:36")

">>5004100
>Not at all, since sterilization is unreasonable as it deprives them of the possibility to have children in the future
It is not unreasonable. It is the only way to have sex and 100% not conceive a child. You are playing with the odds, using contraception, and you have to gauge the risks before playing the game. Most people who use adequate protection, i.e. a condom in coordination with female birth control, will not get pregnant, just as driving in accordance with traffic laws is likely to keep you safe from having an accident. Just as car accidents unfortunately happen to safe drivers on occasion, so too does pregnancy occasionally happen to practitioners of safe sex. And like how victims of car accidents must learn to deal with their misfortune, so too must those who unexpectantly conceive a child.
>It should have asked before attaching itself like a leech to someone else's body
Flawed analogy. The Leech is not a human, and is not killed when removed from a human. Non-humans do not have human rights. Human embryos are both human and killed when removed from the womb. In turn, the foetus is not a parasitic organism, it is the natural result of human procreation. A natural bodily process, like any other.
>A fetus does not have rights since it's not a person
Yes it is. A human is a human, and should not morally be terminated unless it consents to euthanasia. You are not conscious when you sleep, but it is illegal to chop your head off and throw you in the dumpster, regardless. The embryo is the primordial form of the human, and is thusly by definition, a person. The only argument to this is in the notion of some sort of incorporeal soul, which is completely unevinced.
>it's already violating the woman's right to liberty by existing
Completely untrue in every sense. In no way does being pregnant violate a woman's liberty, unless you consider snuffing out a human life to be within one's rights.
(1/2)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004185 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:33:03")

">>5004033
walking outside your house is explicit acknowledgement that being physically assaulted is a possibility"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004193 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:35:00")

">>5004100
>>5004173
>It's not
It is. When you point the gun at your head and pull the trigger, you acknowledge the chance of getting shot. An embryo does not violently impose itself on a woman, the woman chooses, in nearly every case of pregnancy, to accept the risk of being inseminated.
The only sure fire way to never get pregnant and have sex is total sterilization. Otherwise, one risks the chance of conceiving and being expected to bring to term the human life she has done her willing part to create.
Also, sterilization does not eliminate the possibility of having children. Men who get vasectomies can freeze their sperm; women can freeze their eggs and use a surrogate in case of hysterectomy. Failing the implementation of either, adoption is an option."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004198 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:37:05")

">>5004185
Completely correct. In the case of physical assault, there are laws to are put in place to deter criminals and to help the victim.
How this relates, aside from being another example of accepting risk, is beyond me, as is seeing how this in anyway could be construed as a refutation of my point on your part."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004206 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:39:06")

">>5004198
if you walk outside your house, you accept the risk of getting attacked.

if you get attacked, it is moral to defend yourself against your attacker.

the attacker may or may not kill you--you don't know.
the same of pregnancy--it may or may not kill you.

in either scenario, you are morally allowed to defend yourself. it is not immoral to kill an attacker if there is no other way to defend yourself against the attack."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004234 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:45:02")

">>5004173
>It is not unreasonable
Yes it is. Terminating a pregnancy now does not prevent people from getting pregnant again when they so want it.

>victims of car accidents must learn to deal with their misfortune
In which shithole do you live that victims of car accidents are denied care and opportunity so they can overcome the accident and start driving again asap?

>the foetus is not a parasitic organism
It sucks blood from the host, that's quite parasitic. Even more so when it's not wanted.
>A natural bodily process
Destroying the endometrium is a natural bodily process too, happens every menstruation. That's what medical abortion does.
>A human is a human
And using deadly force against a human is perfectly okay when they're being a threat against your life, your property, or your liberty. Humans don't have the right to enslave other humans.
>The embryo is the primordial form of the human, and is thusly by definition, a person
Nope. A person for the law is a born human.
>In no way does being pregnant violate a woman's liberty
A pregnant woman is told she cannot lift heavy weights, drink, compress her stomach, take certain medications, eat whatever she wants, and do any other activity that would pose a risk to the fetus she has no problem doing otherwise. With a forced pregnancy she is, in fact, unjustly restricted in her freedom against her will."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004245 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:46:49" && image=="1507270310843.jpg")

">>5004206
There's no surgery that 100% protects you from an assaulter, like sterilization of a partner.
There's no way to just not get attacked, unlike sex.
>the attacker may or may not kill you--you don't know
Yes, but you can't go to the doctor to get a progress report about how likely or not your assault is going to kill you.
>the same of pregnancy--it may or may not kill you
If you have a risky pregnancy, the doctor will tell you. If you have a pregnancy that will kill you, then termination of the child may be a necessity. Notice how the word necessity is used here. In this case, the abortion is a grave necessity. Contrast that to a voluntary abortion for one's convenience.

Your assaulter analogy is only remotely comparable to a dangerous pregnancy.

You're more stupid than the other guy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004272 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:51:06")

">>5004193
It's not. You keep making these stupid analogies that have nothing to do with the matter at hand.
>When you point the gun at your head and pull the trigger, you acknowledge the chance of getting shot
Sex is not putting a gun against your head though. Why do you keep comparing sex to violent imagery? First lung cancer now getting shot?
>an embryo does not violently impose itself on a woman
Yes it does. It attaches like a leech to the woman's uterus. In fact the woman can remove it by flushing out the lining of her uterus, and 1 month later be ready to try again for something better.
>the woman chooses to accept the risk
Nope. The woman chooses to have sex and not have a child out of it.
>Men who get vasectomies can freeze their sperm; women can freeze their eggs
See >>5003157
>adoption
Most people aren't interested in other people's kids.

>>5004198
>there are laws to are put in place to deter criminals and to help the victim
Like laws that allow a woman to abort an unwanted child?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004279 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:52:37")

">>5004206
99% of all maternal deaths occur in developing countries.
Even comparing the chances of getting attacked to the chances of dying during childbirth nowadays is ridiculous"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004283 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:53:35")

">>5004245
>There's no surgery that 100% protects you from an assaulter, like sterilization of a partner
Sterilization is not 100% protection either, there's still a small chance of getting pregnant even after sterilization."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004286 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)22:54:21")

">>5004279
I guess Ireland is a developing country because Savita died there"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004316 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:03:25")

">>5004234
>Yes it is
No it's not. If you don't want to get pregnant, then you have to either risk getting pregnant anyway, or completely sterilize.
>In which shithole do you live that victims of car accidents are denied care and opportunity so they can overcome the accident and start driving again asap
I don't know where you're getting any of this nonsense from, I didn't say any of that.
The analogy is as followed: if you get into a car accident through no fault of your own, you still have to deal with the consequences, like going to the doctor, getting surgery, and having to do anything else, like possible physical therapy, just like if you get unexpectantly pregnant, you have to have a baby.
>Destroying the endometrium is a natural bodily process too, happens every menstruation
Menstruation is a natural process induced by the body. There is no victim of Menstruation, only an unfertilized egg, not a person with a unique genome who will in most cases, not accounting for natural inability to thrive, develop into a person if left undisturbed, perishes. An abortion, medical or not, is a knowingly induced process which results in the death of a human being, i.e. murder.
>And using deadly force against a human is perfectly...
If any of this were anything other than a gross misrepresentation of the processes at hand, then pregnancy itself would be illegal. If it really imposed such loss of liberty on the pregnant party, then it could not be morally allowed to exist in society.
>>5004234
>Nope. A person for the law is a born human
And if pro-lifers got their way, a person would be defined at conception in the law. All that would be needed is a new law, which is entirely possible. Laws change.
>>5004234
>A pregnant woman...
That's for the ideal health of the baby. Violating it isn't against the law, but instead carries social stigma."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004348 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:15:13")

">>5004283
Only if the procedure has failed. Generally, you go to your doctor and check up on it. Aside from that, continuing to use a condom after sterilization would reduce the chances of having a conception to astronomically small odds, especially if the man has a vasectomy in addition. Also, pull out.
I will concede to 100% being hyperbolic, but not markedly so. I guess the old adage about avoiding superlatives applies here."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004363 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:18:30")

">>5004316
>If you don't want to get pregnant, then you have to either risk getting pregnant anyway
Good thing there's this thing called abortion that allows women to terminate a pregnancy with zero impact for the mother's health, eh.
>if you get into a car accident you can go to the doctor and get the medical treatment you need
>but if you get pregnant you have to have a baby
What? If you get pregnant against your wishes you can get an abortion. It's a safe medical procedure that exists, you're the one that wants to arbitrarily impose his bs ideas on others.
>hurr murder
It's a legal death just like killing a home invader is a legal death, ergo it's not murder. A woman has the right to protect herself and her body from unwanted intruders, the fetus does not have the right to enslave her for its gain. Killing anyone, even an actual person, in self-defense is not murder.
>If it really imposed such loss of liberty on the pregnant party, then it could not be morally allowed to exist in society
Not at all. Consenting adults are allowed to do anything they want, even if other people find it weird or degrading. The keyword here being consenting, a woman who seeks an abortion is not consenting to her pregnancy.
>if pro-lifers got their way
Women would rebel since their living would be too heavily impacted from it, the country having ended up a dystopia where women are not allowed privacy and freedom because their bodies have to be constantly monitored, and people will revert the law back to what it was before. Women are not breeding stock for prolifers to abuse. Romania tried this shit before, it ended up with Ceaucescu and his cunt wife getting brutally killed and abortion being legalized completely.
>Violating it isn't against the law
Someone above you said pregnant women were prosecuted for child abuse for these acts, so it is against the law. And it shouldn't carry social stigma since not everybody wants to be pregnant and shouldn't be forced into it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004364 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:18:42")

">>5004286
Ireland has a preety average score of 8 deaths for each 100.000 births according to 2015 statistics, preety good for a country that didn´t allow abortions compared to plenty others, even those that are developed, mainly compared to it´s neighboor with 9/100.000 and had abortion legalized"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004369 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:19:54")

">>5004348
>Only if the procedure has failed
No way to know that until you get pregnant."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004375 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:21:14")

">>5004364
That's because Irish women just took a flight to the UK and had their abortions there.

Poor Savita shouldn't have trusted the Irish to care about her."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004390 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:24:25")

">>5004369
You should schedule a checkup, and in fact it's recommended after some months. Until then, your doctor generally warns you of possible pregnancy and to use protection in case, especially in case of vasectomy.
But this whole tangent is losing the forest for the trees."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004398 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:26:14")

">>5004390
You're the one that;s babbling bullshit nonstop because you can't accept the idea of a woman enjoying sex for sex and not wanting pregnancy all the time, rather wanting to select the offspring she has."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004426 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:32:55" && image=="1509274997216.png")

">>5004398
>I can't have fun, unless I can kill people who are inconvenient to me
What did you mean by this?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004440 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:36:16")

">>5004375
kek, in few short years there will have been more abortions in Ireland than the irish girls documented that had abortions in the UK, and it won´t change the number of maternal deaths, just like it didn´t do in other european countries like Portugal
Sadly for this last one it even increased to higher levels for the first time in long time
It´s the quality of the medical care that saves women not abortion"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004484 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:46:44")

">>5004398
>i just want to have fun trough care free sex while having the taxpayers pay my "accidents""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004532 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)23:58:54")

">>5004279
sterilization isn't 100% effective. there is still some percentage of failure even with it.

>If you have a risky pregnancy, the doctor will tell you.
sudden complications can occur during the birth and pregnancy. your uterus can rupture during pregnancy, internal bleeding can occur, etc. hemorrhaging during birth can also quickly turn fatal. then also, the example another poster posted, of the woman who was denied an abortion then died of sepsis because the doctors "didn't think her pregnancy was dangerous enough".

>>5004279
the numbers do not matter. the risk is present (on top of all the other illnesses and complications that can come as a result of pregnancy -- some of them being lifelong).

the US also has the highest maternal death rate in the industrialized world. that rate is also INCREASING since the 70's. part of that is undoubtedly due to increasing costs of health care and the absurd costs associated with hospital births being prohibitive to the poor (who have the highest rates of maternal mortality)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004548 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:02:38")

"It makes sense why certain religions like Catholicism hate abortions. Because you gotta shit out as many kids as possible and make them into catholics too so it bolsters your church's numbers and power. That's why I never see these people being in favour of shit like proper sex education or using protection for sex. It's just more convenient to just bludgeon someone over the head with your morality than actually giving them the time and education they need to make more informed choices for themselves.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004568 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:09:29")

">>5004548
also, no contraception, goy!
also, not having children in marriage is a sin!
also, not having sex in a marriage is a sin!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004604 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:19:58")

">>5004532
Hence why i say quality of care is the most important not the abortion. By quality i also mean access to medical care and comptent professionals. The numbers do matter, while the risk is always present you should compare having even if a regular maternity like most countries to having a local shaman delivering babies and it´s impact on the numbers.
The numbers also are important because they show how the pro-choice types are, they have to sabotage the whole political agenda by exploiting a tragedy that happens in hospitals sometimes by misdiagnosing someone, for their own personal reasons, nevermind caring for what the entire country has to say, not even the disrespect to those who have actual problems, or those whose problems could be being adressed, all that matters is themselves"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004614 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:22:48")

">>5004604
quality of care is not relevant to what i was talking about at all.
i was not arguing abortions lowered maternal mortality rate. that's stupid. they won't be included in that statistic, because the mothers are not carrying a pregnancy to term. i was arguing that pregnancy poses a real risk to the mother; she has a right to defend herself.
youre rambling about something completely unrelated now."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004623 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:24:46")

">>5004548
you clearly aren´t in touch with the catholic church lately"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004653 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:32:43")

">>5004614
>poses a real risk to the mother
in few rare cases and mostly preventable, she does have right in case of diagnose indicating she might die, but what you advocate goes further than that"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5004692 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:44:10")

"Women can have all of the fetus killings they want but my or anyone else's taxes shouldn't be paying for it.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005489 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)05:59:33")

">>5004653
Savita's doctors disgnosed she was not at risk of death so they denied her an abortion, but then oops she died anyway.
Diagnosing a risk of death is way too fucking dangerous for the woman. No.

>>5004426
>I can't be content unless I control every moment of women's life with my obsession for blobs without brain, since those are more important, than women to me, women do not matter
What did YOU mean by this?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005573 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)06:35:16")

">>5005489
>I control every moment of women's life with my obsession for blobs without brain, since those are more important, than women to me, women do not matter
You're mentally ill. Nobody's framing the conversation that way except for you. You think that there's a right to murder unborn children. There is not. That's just murder, not agency over one's body. I'm sorry but you're wrong. Women have the same rights as men. Women can chose not to have sex. Use modern birth control that if used correctly, is 100% effective (I had gfs on the pill and with IUD's and we didn't even use condoms) and the morning after pill exists. Abortions should only be used in the rarest of cases like if the woman would die giving birth. You really as sick."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005579 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)06:38:05")

">>5004363
>>5004272
>these bad faith arguments
Where did you learn these tactics?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005656 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:19:19")

"Now for some history. The muh human life argument was brought up before Roe vs Wade too:

>Because abortions lie within a pregnant woman's "zone of privacy," the abortion decision "and its effectuation" are fundamental rights that are protected by the Constitution from regulation by the states, so laws regulating abortion must be sufficiently "important." Was Texas's law sufficiently important to pass constitutional muster? The Court reviewed the history of abortion laws, from ancient Greece to contemporary America, and therein found three justifications for banning abortions: "a Victorian social concern to discourage illicit sexual conduct"; protecting the health of women; and protecting prenatal life. The Court rejected the first two justifications as irrelevant given modern gender roles and medical technology. As for the third justification, the Court argued that prenatal life was not within the definition of "persons" as used and protected in the U.S. Constitution and that America's criminal and civil laws only sometimes regard fetuses as persons deserving protection. Culturally, while some groups regard fetuses as people deserving full rights, no consensus exists. The Court ruled that Texas was thus taking one "view" of many. Protecting all fetuses under this contentious "view" of prenatal life was not sufficiently important to justify the state's banning of almost all abortions.

"Life" that's in fact the same as a vegetable is not more important than a fully formed, sentient, conscious person. It's less important in fact since the woman is made to unjustly suffer and take unnecessary restrictions and risks for something that unlike her, can't even think. The woman's regard of herself and her body important, too."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005696 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:34:02")

">>5005573
>Nobody's framing the conversation that way except for you
I am quoting history Mr. Ceaucescu, that's exactly what you did when you made abortion illegal because you wanted women to shit out children no matter if they were wanted or not.

With Nicolae Ceaușescu’s Decree 770, all women within childbearing age, even teenagers, were forced to take part in state required gynecologist appointments every month where detected pregnancies were to be closely monitored until birth and any miscarriages were investigated by the state. To initiate women into taking part in these monthly inspections, the state made them a requirement for access to any form of health care.

The result of it? The ban was disbanded after the Romanian Revolution violently overthrew the government and executed Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife, abortion being immediately legalized again.
That want what you? People will kill tyrants like you to defend their freedom.

>That's just murder
Abortion is not murder.

>not agency over one's body
Making sure your body does not host any unwanted parasites is agency over one's body. If a woman wants to flush out the lining of her uterus, that is agency over her body. That's what contraception, emergency contraception, and medical abortion is. It touches the woman's body and you want to deprive her of that.

>Women have the same rights as men. Women can chose not to have sex
Men can chose to have sex and not be forced to be pregnant, if women can't chose to have sex and not be forced to be pregnant too they do not have the same rights as men.

>Use modern birth control
Pregnancy. albeit rarely, can happen on that too.

>the morning after pill
Works by preventing implantation. Didn't you say you think life begins at conception?

>Abortions should only be used in the rarest of cases
I agree, but I still want women to be able to have them if they need them without having to wait until they're risking death for it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005701 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:35:45")

">>5005696
>Abortion is not murder.
Wong."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005737 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:44:24")

">>5003959
When did I say it's a "shitty horrible consequence"? I said irresponsible behaviour leads to consequences, some of them can be undone, and some can't. When you conceive a child, you are at all levels responsible for his development and well being. You can't bail out of that just because you don't want to, it's just selfish and childish. It's like putting your dad in an asylum and forgetting about him."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005750 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:47:30")

"You people realize you can be non-religious and still be pro-life right? You don't have to believe in god to know murder is wrong. If you're too stupid to use contraceptives in 2018 you deserve to have an unwanted pregnancy desu.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005776 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:56:35")

">>5005750
Basically what I'm saying too. I'm even religious but it's obviously killing a person. It's absolutely ghoulish to say it's anything else."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005781 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:57:40")

"abort any baby with imperfections.

bonus points if they were white."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005782 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:57:59")

">>5005656
>Using an instance of where the courts over step their power and there is both lies and lobbies during the trial

thank God i don´t live under american law, at least directly

>The woman's regard of herself and her body important, too.
no it´s not, she is just a bunch of cells"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005786 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)07:59:04")

">>5000625
This is why left wingers are literal children. They want to insulate the world so that there are no consequences for their actions. Abortion, divorce, rehabilitation over punishment, the welfare state, and corporate bailouts are all just problems shirking responsibility for their or others actions. I always ask pro-abortion types the question that if science found that a fetus gained consciousness at contraception if they would still support abortion. Without fail they say yes. Those in favour of abortion don't give a fuck if its murder or not, they just want a comsequence free existance. They behave like a child who has been caught doing something bad, desperately trying to justify what their actions by shifting blame, and downplaying their wrongs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005789 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:00:20")

">>5005701
>Abortion is murder
Wrong. Murder is illegal killing. Abortion is legal killing as its protection of one's self against and unwanted intruder.

>When did I say it's a "shitty horrible consequence"?
When you compared it to lung cancer, getting shot, having a car accident and other shitty horrible things.

>some of them can be undone
Pregnancy can safely be undone for the woman.

>you are at all levels responsible for his development and well being
No. Sex is not consent to pregnancy. And a woman can't be forced to be a parent against her will, that's why she can abandon her kid at the clinic no questions asked. If a woman can't be forced to be a parent, she is not responsible for any unwanted intruder inside her.

>You can't bail out of that just because you don't want to
Yes you can. Her body, her choice of what gets to stay inside it and what doesn't.

>it's just selfish and childish
Your obsession with controlling women's lives is selfish and childish.

>>5005750
You know the argument "hurr life begins at conception" goes against contraceptives too, yes? They work by preventing the fertilized egg to implant in the uterus."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005794 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:01:08")

">>5004021
It seems you are applying US law to someone who is in fact a minor. Whatever is the crime comitted by a child, the full responsability falls on his parents, including invasion of property. Also, the mother could not be from the US, and thus, unable to resort to lethal actions against invaders (not that the kid is an invader, but you consider him as such)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005796 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:02:05")

">>5005776
A fetus is not a person and forcing something horrible like an unwanted pregnancy on a woman is what's absolutely ghoulish here.

>>5005782
A bunch of cells with a developed brain who feels and thinks, unlike a fetus."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005800 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:02:49")

">>5005786
>corporate bailouts

arent leftists against corporate bailouts?

what are americans using the word 'leftists' as today? i dont get it any more..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005801 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:03:07")

">>5005796
Why is not a person? When does it start to be one?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005806 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:04:02")

">>5005796
>forcing something horrible like an unwanted pregnancy on a woman is what's absolutely ghoulish here.
Don't have sex or use protection then. It's not like that ghoulish outcome wasn't risked, right? If it's so ghoulish then avoid the action that gets you there. You can't kill someone because they're inconveniencing you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005809 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:04:25")

">>5005794
>someone who is in fact a minor
A fetus is not a minor since you need to be born to be a minor. Unlike a minor, a woman cannot have direct control over the fetus' actions (she cannot restrain it as necessary to prevent it invading her) ergo she cannot be held responsible for its actions.

>the mother could not be from the US
Abortion is legal outside the US too and so is self-defense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005811 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:04:56")

">>5005796
>>5005801

why does it matter if its a person?

what is a person even?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005814 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:06:05")

">>5005800
The too big to fail bailouts were instituted under the democrats. Left wingers believe in heavy government involvement in the economy. Bailouts are an inherently socialist concept."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005823 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:08:33")

">>5005806
>use protection
Protection can fail.

>don't have sex
That's an unlawful restriction of someone's liberty.

>If it's so ghoulish then avoid the action
Sex is not consent to pregnancy and it does not necessarily get to pregnancy, there's no 100% equivalence 1 sex = 1 assured pregnancy. People have the right to enjoy safe sex without being punished with unwanted pregnancy, it's included in their right to privacy. What's ghoulish here is you wanting to take that right away.

>You can't kill someone because they're inconveniencing you
You can when they're invading your body and hindering you in your liberty and life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005829 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:10:39")

">>5005796
but what about retards? their brains are malformed, should we kill them? I want to have the legal right to kill them.."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005831 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:11:00")

"Okay so you're mentally ill. At least I know now so I'll stop replying to you. Hope you get the help you need.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005839 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:12:55")

">>5005823
The only reason why I am pro abortion is just in csase I get a girl preggers I need her to abort."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005851 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:15:47")

">>5005823
>People have the right to enjoy safe sex without being punished with unwanted pregnancy, it's included in their right to privacy.
Muh Rights. Left wingers just state something is a "right" whenever its something they want. The word is meaningless now. You don't have a right to healthcare/abortions/welfare/tampons/dildos/flavouroftheweekleftistcause#5839. Just because you want something doesn't make it a right."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005861 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:17:21")

">>5005829
>but what about retards?
Iceland has eliminated Down's Syndrome thanks to abortion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005870 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:19:13")

">>5005851
>Muh Rights
The right to privacy is an element of various legal traditions to restrain governmental and private actions that threaten the privacy of individuals. Over 150 national constitutions mention the right to privacy.
Of course people who want to control other people hate it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005881 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:22:39")

">>5005823
>safe sex
Safe sex is using protection you idiot, well used protection will fail at an equall rate that abortion can kill a women, 1 in hundreds of thousands, not being a drunk sloth or a hedonist will help for that purpose
>being responsible is a restriction of liberty
wew, lass, it´s like you don´t know what that word means and that implies a certain degree of responsabilities
>You can when they're invading your body and hindering you in your liberty and life.
You can when it´s a risk to life, not when it´s a inconvenience, you can´t kill someone who tries to rob you or hit you unleass by doing so they are try to kill you, that´s why we can punish those who in the act of self-defense use exessive force on the criminal"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005882 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:24:40")

">>5005789
Let's get things straight. A child is not comparable to lung cancer or getting shot, but an UNWANTED pregnancy is a consequence of an irresponsible behaviour (again, not bad by itself; in fact it could very well be a blessing). Lung cancer is also a result of irresponsible behaviour, and ONLY in this sense they are both comparable.

If I'm not mistaken, your main point is that sex is not consent to pregnancy, and that the mother (it appears that the father doesn't have a saying about the future of his child) should be able to freely remove any unwanted alien.

Unprotected sex is consent to pregnancy. The fetus doesn't crawl into your uterus by itself after sex, it's brought to life by two consenting adults (For the absolute majority of the cases; the exceptions should be addressed in another discussion), fully aware of the consequences of their actions, engaging in intercourse unprotected. Why the fuck would you have unprotected sex if you don't want to have kids? From the moment of conception, the egg the woman is carrying and the sperm the man shoots inside her become their child, not an alien. They are not forced to be parents, they ARE parents, and thus responsible for the child."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005888 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:27:21")

">>5005811
If it's not a person it's just killing. If it's a person, it's homicide, which is a very different story. It's a big difference."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005892 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:28:00")

">>5005861
But it didn´t eliminate some other... mental deseases, like gypsies"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005894 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:29:18")

">>5005870
Explain how killing another human you created purposefully or through a lack of responsibility is covered under your right to privacy. I have a right to property, that doesn't mean I can invite someone in my house and then shoot them for trespassing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005905 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:35:16")

">>5005870
Ironic how the same countries that includes abortion as a right of privacy has secret agencies spying on you
It´s like the orginal meaning of things has been subverted and that the US and it´s culture they export is corrupt"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005933 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:44:34")

">>5005881
>well used protection will fail
Exactly, so one needs abortions when the protection fails.
>a certain degree of responsabilities
Being forced to pregnancy not among them.
>you can´t kill someone who tries to rob you or hit you
Yes you can, you don't have to wait to be killed to strike back. All there needs be is a threat against your liberty and your person, which an unwanted pregnancy is.

>>5005882
>Unprotected sex is consent to pregnancy.
No.

>The fetus doesn't crawl into your uterus by itself after sex
The egg is already there by itself since the woman does not have direct control over her reproductive system, and the sperm fertilizes it by itself. The egg tries to implant by itself, the woman does not take it and attach it to her uterus with her hand. While yes, protection is better, it is not consent to sex.
>fully aware of the consequences of their actions
Not necessarily. For example, if they have been brainwashed by prolifers that nfp is enough to prevent pregnancy, they are not aware of the consequences of their actions as they thought that was not a fertile day.
>Why the fuck would you have unprotected sex if you don't want to have kids?
Maybe they listened to people like you that told them natural family planning is a legitimate method of preventing pregnancy. Your kind tends to spread misinformation like that.
That said, protected sex can fail too.
>From the moment of conception, the egg the woman is carrying
Can still be flushed out with induced menstruation during the first trimester with no problem for the woman, as it will stay an egg if not allowed to leech off the woman's body.
>their child, not an alien
An unwanted stranger she does not want and wants OUT of her. You cannot force people to recognize a child they don't want.
>thus responsible
No. You cannot force people to recognize a child they don't want."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005956 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:54:49")

">>5005894
>you created purposefully
>purposefully
Demonstrate that. A woman takes birth control showing there was no determination on her part to create anything. You cannot tell she cannot have sex since that's a violation of her right to privacy.

>Explain right to privacy
Right to privacy includes a woman’s right to make her own personal medical decisions — including the decision to have an abortion without interference from politicians, since abortion is a medical care issue.

>I have a right to property, that doesn't mean I can invite someone in my house and then shoot them for trespassing
An unwanted fetus is not invited in, it happens in fact despite the woman taking measures to protect herself. It's more like a burglar breaking in despite you setting up an armed gate. You don't tell people not to live in houses just because a burglar might still break in despite their precautions, do you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005957 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:55:54")

">>5005892
>gypsies
>iceland
You're thinking of Ireland where they didn't allow abortions until a few months ago"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005979 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:05:33")

">>5005933
>Yes you can, you don't have to wait to be killed to strike back. All there needs be is a threat against your liberty and your person, which an unwanted pregnancy is.
that is not how self defense works, even if he comes with clear intention to kill you and you can avoid killing him but choose to have him die anyway, you just became a murderer. It also applies to cops, they can´t kill a dangerous person unless eminent danger, like a gun fight, but if someone strikes at them with a knife while they have guns, they are murdering someone
>Being forced to pregnancy not among them.
yes, it is a responsability. This shit is taught in sexual education classes but you lot seem to unlearn according to your convinience, it´s as if you were jealous of men because they don´t get pregnant
>so one needs abortions when the protection fails.
No, because selfish people like yourself who even admited ITT they just want to have irresponsibly abuse the law, and then women with real problems are discredited as a result"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5005984 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:08:27")

">>5005956
The natural purpose of sex is procreation. In doing so, with contraceptives or not you are consenting to the risk of pregnancy. It's the same reason you can't jump off a bridge and then sue the engineer because you didn't want to get injured."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006002 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:17:46")

">>5005957
gypsies are everywhere and have been so prior to abortion criminalization or it´s opposite in most countries, and both are desease and a hazard to public health .
Just like stray cats, dogs and any urban animals actually, we should also kill them, at this point i don´t care if they have feels, if they think or to what degree they have or not a developed brain, i just want to have a legal right to hunt them down since they attack my rights"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006007 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:19:51")

">>5005979
>they just want to have *irresponsible sex and abuse the law"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006028 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:30:12")

">>5005979
>even if he comes with clear intention to kill you and you can avoid killing him
You can't avoid a pregnancy you have and don't want without removing the alien from the host, so your point is moot here. The fetus should find a way to exist outside the host without waiting until birth.
>eminent danger
And unwanted pregnancy is eminent danger to the woman's liberty and health, physical and mental.
>it is a responsability
Nope. People still have the right to enjoy sex without being forced into pregnancy for it.
>men don´t get pregnant
Exactly. That's why it's a woman's choice and not a man's.
>you just want to abuse the law
No abuse here. I advocate for birth control, birth control that works like emergency contraception, pills, implants and iuds, not useless shit like condoms or nfp. I still want abortion to be an available option in case birth control fails.

>>5005984
>The natural purpose of sex is procreation
False. The natural purpose of sex is bonding and pleasure. That's why infertile women and homosexuals have sex too.
>you are consenting to the risk of pregnancy
Not at all. One is not consenting to pregnancy and if that happens anyway, they can seek an abortion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006114 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:58:27")

">>5006028
Sex being pleasurable is an evolutionary mechanism that makes people want to procreate. Eating gives pleasure too but you wouldn't argue that the natural purpose of eating is pleasure just because people eat junk food. Its purpose is to provide the body nutrients, the pleasure derived from eating is just a mechanism that makes people want to eat."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006128 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:02:43")

">>5005888
A person cannot exist attached to another person to the point it impedes on the other person's daily life.
Even if the fetus were a person and not a formless blob, it still doesn't have the right to live leeching off someone else's body without their consent. So the woman can still remove it and get it out of her. A person must exist in its own space, not in someone's body, since the latter violates the other's daily privacy and life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006131 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:03:10")

">>5006114

theres a lot more that goes into it, sex is also largely about identity, pair bonding and social status"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006151 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:07:02")

">>5006114
>Sex being pleasurable is an evolutionary mechanism that makes people want to procreate
If that were the case people who can't procreate like homosexuals or people during their infertile period wouldn't have sex, yet they do anyway. You can always have sex without ever getting pregnant. While you can't always eat without ever getting the nutrients you need or the body will suffer from it, the body doesn't suffer at all from never getting pregnant. Thus sex is for pleasure, procreation is secondary."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006160 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:08:41")

">>5006028
>You can't avoid a pregnancy you have and don't want without removing the alien from the host, so your point is moot here. The fetus should find a way to exist outside the host without waiting until birth.
this two sentences are retarded and based on a fallacy that you can´t prevent pregnancy
Sex is meant to breed, the pleasure of it has been written in our code to make us want and like to breed, unlike other mammals like lions, were the lioness has to be held because the pain is so intense she might attack the lion, wich on it´s turn copulates after less than a minute or so"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006171 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:11:33")

">>5006128
That does not justify homicide. typically invasion of privacy are considered misdemeanors and certainly do not incur the death penalty."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006173 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:12:11")

">>5006128
>doesn't have the right to live leeching off someone else's body without their consent
nor do you forcing me to pay your abortions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006187 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:15:44")

">>5006160
You can't prevent pregnancy 100%, especially if you don't want kids now but want them later in your life. Your own kids, not someone else's. You can get to 99.9% but it's still not 100%. Even unprotected sex has a 15% chance of no pregnancy.
As there's no direct equivalence to pregnancy and people can damn well do as they please in their bedroom, sex is not to be considered a consent to pregnancy.
>Sex is meant to breed
Not at all. People can have sex without breeding or wanting to breed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006196 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:18:32")

">>5000625
>Adoption is a scheme for pedophiles and crazies to abuse and brainwash kids into accepting abuse as okay.
Ummm, sweetie, gay marriage is real ok, GET OVER IT"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006201 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:20:04")

">>5006131
>mystifying sex
One could have a arguement on the social status part and identity, but hardly one can deny it´s role in pair bounding"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006205 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:20:38")

">>5006187
>what is celibacy?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006212 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:21:44")

">>5000997
>unborn or recently born person
>person
>person"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006214 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:22:40")

">>5001031
This country has notoriously bad sex education."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006215 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:22:43")

">>5006128
Yes it can We have people that exist attached to a machine in order to live, and elders that need constant attentions and impedes other people's daily life. But still, people keep taking care of them. Why? Because these dependent people (or """leeches""", since you prefer that term) often are close family, and it's your family's duty to take care of you when you really need it. Listen; it's not the child's fault their parents brought him to this world without asking. Why the fuck are you talking about consent? did the fetus willingly created itself to fuck his parents up? no, they fucked without rubber and now they have a child. It's not debatable, in the moment of conception they become parents, wether they want it or not. It's not a senseless blob, it's not "another person". The child is their son, their own blood, their family. And is because he's their family that they must take care of it and being fucking adults, and not get rid of him like a pest to keep living like teenagers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006221 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:24:23")

">>5001064
Source?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006238 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:27:50")

">>5001915
>Tyrone
Hi /pol/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006239 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:28:13")

">>4996426
>>5003540
The absolute state of this board. There's no way you could possibly be this obtuse over a tfw no gf meme. Breaking news notorious incel board /his/ literally wish the holocaust never happened so they could finally lose their virginity to anne frank"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006242 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:29:33")

">>5002185
>[[[Center for Medical Progress]]]"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006251 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:31:19")

">>5006171
>That does not justify homicide
Yes it does. Bodily violation is a threat that justifies the woman removing the offending thing from her body by whatever means necessary. To understand bodily violation, try having someone insert themselves inside you and then refuse to extract themselves, see how that works."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006253 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:31:54")

">>5006205
A private choice you cannot force on others."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006256 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:33:23" && image=="pregnancy_stages_s8_8_weeks.jpg")

">>5002839
>formless blob"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006265 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:35:47")

">>5006253
And a possible pregnancy is the consequence of that choice"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006271 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:37:49" && image=="1531611017419.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006305 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:50:24")

">>5005573
>Use modern birth control that if used correctly, is 100% effective (I had gfs on the pill and with IUD's and we didn't even use condoms) and the morning after pill exists.
No method is 100% effective. It can come close though. Did you not learn this in health class?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006313 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:53:59" && image=="035.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006315 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:55:18")

">>5006215
>Yes it can
Nope.
>We have people that exist attached to a machine in order to live
People aren't machines.
>elders that need constant attentions
You can have multiple people rotate that attention so one can give attention and live their life too. Depriving someone of their life 24/7/365 is unrealistic and unreasonable, that poses harm to people as it causes them to burn out. Even if you give 2 hours to your senile parents you still have the rest of day to yourself, a fetus is present 24/7.
>it's not the child's fault their parents brought him to this world
Yes it is. Shouldn't have existed at all.
>did the fetus willingly created itself
It didn't ask the woman if she wanted its presence inside her, did it?
>they fucked without rubber
Fucking with rubber can also get you pregnant.
>now they have a child
Not really. If birth control works, the fertilized egg will not attach and will get flushed out with the woman's next period. The woman can also take emergency contraception or a medical abortion to ensure that.
>It's not a senseless blob
That's what it actually is.
>The child is their son
Sex doesn't develop until 18 weeks into the pregnancy.
>he's their family
It's not. They have the right not to recognize it so.
>they must take care of it
Not at all, especially when it ruins their lives."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006317 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:55:57")

">>5006265
And abortion is the remedy to that unwanted pregnancy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006318 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:56:22")

">>5005823
Telling someone to not have sex isn't illegal. It's just highly unrealistic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006322 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:57:17")

">>5006256
That thing looks like the alien from Evangelion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006323 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:57:18")

">>5006239
>Breaking news notorious incel board /his/ literally wish the holocaust never happened so they could finally lose their virginity to anne frank

Not everyone on this board wants to be associated with those losers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006329 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:59:53")

">>5006318
>Telling someone to not have sex isn't illegal
Forcing them with undue threats and/or intrusion into their privacy and restraint of their freedom is.
For example, a man can tell her wife not to get a iud or an abortion, but if she wants to anyway he cannot stop her from doing so."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006332 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:00:38")

">>4997487
that would kill their carrers though"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006334 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:01:03" && image=="raf 750x1000 075 t fafafa ca443f4786.u1.jpg")

">>5005984
>The natural purpose of sex is procreation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006347 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:05:11")

">>5006323
>>>/leftypol/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006350 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:07:20")

">>5006151
You can eat when you are not hungry, and you can eat things that are not nutricious like processed junk food. The natural purpose of eating is still to gain nutrients, despite all the layers of societal conditioning that make it into something else. The same stands for sex. At the end of the day we are wired to pass down our genetics through procreation. Homosexuals are the exception that proves the rule."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006364 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:10:58")

">>5006334
Nigger I still have sex and use contraceptives. That doesn't change the fact that is what the evolutionary purpose of sex is. Just because I can enjoy eating candy doesn't mean the purpose of eating isn't to gain nutrients. Since when did we start changing definitions over what is pleasurable?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006369 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:12:48")

">>5006350
Your analogy falls apart because the body gets sick and eventually dies if it doesn't take in the nutritional elements it needs, even if you eat when you are not hungry and especially if you only eat junk food.

The same does not stand for sex. A woman can never have sex and stay healthy. A woman can have sex, never get pregnant, and stay healthy. A woman can have sex, get pregnant, terminate it and stay healthy. Lack of pregnancy is irrelevant to someone's health, sex being present but pregnancy not being present or being terminated does not impact the woman's health at all.
>Homosexuals are the exception
Sterilized, infertile, women after menopause have sex too. Fertile women have sex with infertile or sterilized partners, or take birth control to avoid pregnancy. Homosexuals are the norm here, not the exception."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006375 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:14:01")

">>5006364
You can't eat without ever getting nutrients you need. You'll die.
You can have sex without ever getting pregnant or terminating any pregnancy along the way. You'll be fine."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006377 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:14:16" && image=="jvq008o996801.jpg")

">>5006315
>cognitive dissonance, the post


>>5006317

no, it´s being a irresponsible bitch with princess complex that wants to do whatever she wishes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006383 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:16:50")

">>5006377
>not wanting to shit yet another mentally ill subhuman you don't want and can't afford is being irresponsible
With your logic single mothers on welfare are the most responsible people in the world. Why do you hate them?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006384 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:16:52")

">>5006364
>Since when did we start changing definitions over what is pleasurable?
since the sexual revolution"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006394 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:20:25")

">>5006377
>abortion: prevents poor, socially maladapted, emotionally and mentally stunted, unwanted potential criminals to become a burden on their parents and society
>irresponsible
>shitting out kids who'll grow up mentally ill because you can't care for them because you hate them and don't have enough money for yourself and them
>responsible
Hmmm really makes me think."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006413 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:26:18")

">>5006383
more like woman like you, and it´s because their sons are props for them, they can and will do whatever is allowed and will push to be able to go down even further, for their selfish own self
Just look at yourself comparing a child to a parasite or a cancer and understating that he is criminal or a rapist
There are mothers who are single because they were abused or are widows for wich i have pitty, and there are those whose husband or boyfriend just ran away for wich i support shotgun marriage"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006419 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:29:16")

">>5006394
>Being a bad parent on purpose to prove a point"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006432 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:32:19")

">>5006413
>understating that he is criminal or a rapist
That's what studies show. Unwanted children are prone to criminality because their mothers hate them so the kids grow up mentally ill. They are completely unsuccessful compared to wanted kids and try to compensate with crime, drugs and alcohol. If only we had something like abortion that could prevent all that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006450 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:37:59")

">>5006419
>on purpose
They can't help it. While getting an abortion has no effect on a woman's health, being denied an abortion causes major mental health problems for women."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006460 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:45:05")

">>5006315
Holy shit, I haven't heard this much selfish bitching since highschool.
Like God damn, are you thinking about what you're writing? I'm not against abortion but holy fuck, people like you need to be barred from accessing it until you learn responsibility. Or you need to be cleansed from the gene pool."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006461 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:45:10")

">>5006432
Thanks for proving my point, one thing is to not be able to afford everything you could give them, the other is just keep being selfish and treating your kids like shit because you forgot to wear a condom or use the day after pill, and of course nevermind that even those kids can grow up and overcome their problems, unlike it´s mother"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006466 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:46:27")

">>5006450
>No effect on a woman's health
Holy fucking shit, this nigga xD"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006469 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:48:06")

">>5006450
Yes they can help, by stop being such self entitled cunts"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006480 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:55:35")

">>5006466
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6989474

>numerous studies which support the contention that mandatory motherhood adversely affects the mental health of both the mother and the offspring. Studies conducted in Sweden, Scotland, and Czechoslovakia revealed that women who were refused abortions frequently experienced serious psychosocial difficulties for long periods of time following abortion refusal. Case controlled follow-up studies, conducted in Sweden and Czechoslovakia, of offspring born to women who were refused abortions demonstrated that a higher proportion of the unwanted children required psychiatric services, engaged in criminal behavior, and did less well in school than the controlled children. These studies have implications for the current Canadian law which permits a woman to obtain an abortion if pregnancy continuation will endanger her health. In view of the above statistical evidence, and the fact that mortality and morbidity are known to be lower for abortion than for childbirth, any person who denies a woman the right to have an abortion is increasing the risk that the health of the woman will be endangered. By law, therefore, all abortion requests should be honored.

A woman who gets an abortion will be fine.
A woman who is denied an abortion will not be fine, nor will any unwanted kids she has.

>>5006461
>those kids can grow up and overcome their problems
Maybe, maybe not. Still not their right to be a problem for their mother meanwhile. And no, not wanting to have your life ruined with a burden you don't want is not being "being selfish". Denying that their existence is a problem is denying reality.
And you're confirming my assertion that pregnancy impacts one's life irreversibly and is much more than "nine months of inconvenience"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006488 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)11:57:27")

">>5006469
Men can start first by stop being such entitled cunts and getting all vasectomies while freezing their sperm so they can impregnate a woman only when the woman wants it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006512 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:06:15" && image=="4uokTVh.png")

">>5006488
Get a load of this roastie. I'm not even against abortion but I'm looking forward to when Roe v Wade gets overturned just for the roasty chimpout. Women truly are children."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006524 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:09:19")

">>5006480
never denied it, i always said you have to become more responsible when you get a kid
Why should i get a vasectomy? Never gotten anyone pregnant because i used condoms and they never let me down, just like anyone else really. You do know you can say no to a men if you propose having sex with a condom and he refuses it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006527 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:10:38")

">>5006512
>calls others children while refusing to do anything that would constitute as taking responsibility himself
Why do men always dump their problems on women and expect women to be okay with it?
Deal with your sperm first if you want to have a say in the debate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006531 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:10:58")

">>5006512
>Roe v Wade gets overturned
I would go to america as a unofficial representative of my country and buy everyone i meet a beer"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006544 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:15:05")

">>5006527
Then stop having sex with men who don't have vasectomies. You have the power to do that. Too bad you would rather bitch and whine about how your actions shouldn't have consequences."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006545 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:15:22" && image=="362a7e2bb1f44e1caf05fb1d4f69b53c.jpg")

">>5006527
>Deal with your sperm first if you want to have a say in the debate.
what did she mean by this?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006555 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:18:59")

">>5006524
>you have to become more responsible
Not having a kid you don't want is being responsible. Why should someone "become more responsible" for someone they didn't want and that was forced on them? An abortion would have solved all problems, denying it means someone else has created problems the woman already had a responsible solution for. Not her job to love something she never wanted herself.
>Why should i get a vasectomy?
It's only responsible for you to minimize that risk of pregnancy.
>Never gotten anyone pregnant
How do you know they just aborted and didn't tell you? It's not like you can experience pregnancy yourself. You're still risking a lot with condoms.
>You do know you can say no to a men
If only men respected women when they tell them no"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006561 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:20:30")

">>5006527
Why on earth did we give broads the vote? Men had to die in the tens of thousands across countless wars to earn the right to vote. Women just had to threaten to take away sex. Men have to do their duty to society by registering for the draft in exchange for the right to vote, women don't."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006565 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:21:22")

">>5006544
>stop having sex with men who don't have vasectomies
Demanding one's medical records is a violation of their privacy, you can ask but have to take their word for it. That said, women prefer to take control over themselves with birth control and abortion.

>your actions shouldn't have consequences
Pregnancy can be dealt with abortion. You want to inflict unnecessary consequences on women."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006570 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:23:55")

">>5006555
Just because a women doesn't want a baby doesn't change the fact that her getting pregnant is a direct result of her choices. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand? I can't rob a store and then bitch when I get sent to jail because I didn't intend to get caught. When you are an adult actions have consequences."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006577 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:26:42")

">>5006561
Military service was never a requirement to vote. The expansion of suffrage was largely peaceful, only exception was Rhode Island where a small rural elite was in control of government."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006579 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:27:10")

">>5006565
>Demanding one's medical records is a violation of their privacy, you can ask but have to take their word for it.
Using that logic I shouldn't have to tell my sexual partners if I have HIV.

>Pregnancy can be dealt with abortion. You want to inflict unnecessary consequences on women.
Poverty can be solved with genocide. You just want to inflict unnecessary consequences on the rich."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006585 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:30:41")

">>5006555

>Not having a kid you don't want is being responsible. Why should someone "become more responsible" for someone they didn't want and that was forced on them? An abortion would have solved all problems, denying it means someone else has created problems the woman already had a responsible solution for. Not her job to love something she never wanted herself.
This is like asking "why should i be responsible for what i do?"
>It's only responsible for you to minimize that risk of pregnancy.
Alredy did, it only took me a putting a piece of rubber around my dick
>How do you know they just aborted and didn't tell you? It's not like you can experience pregnancy yourself. You're still risking a lot with condoms.
Because i didn´t need a degree in rocket engineering to learn that when they are on their periods they aren´t pregnant
>If only men respected women when they tell them no
If they dont it´s their problem, you do have that right and if they don´t respect it fuck them, in a figurative and brutal way that is"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006588 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:31:17")

">>5006570
Pregnancy is not a absolute deal that can't be stopped with abortion. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand? Her choices are legitimate and her choice to have an abortion and terminate the pregnancy is among them.
>I can't rob a store
You keep comparing sex to crimes. Having sex is not a crime.
>When you are an adult actions have consequences
Yeah, and one can have an abortion to address those consequences. You're the one that wants to forcefully impede that perfectly possible option of action."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006590 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:31:53")

">>5006577
Did you miss the entire war about no taxation without representation? Or the French Revolution? Or the Jim Crow era?
Or Apartheid? Or the Rhodesian Bush Wars? Or any number of minor and major rebellions and riots throughout the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries over government reforms? Name one single war women fought to gain suffrage. Poor whites and people of colour had to bleed to earn where they are today."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006598 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:33:26" && image=="oh_sheesh.gif")

">>4994133
>a fertilized egg should have the same rights as an infant"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006599 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:33:34")

">>5006588
My point isn't that sex is a crime, it is that abortion is murder. Plain and simple. Just because it is convenient doesn't make it moral. Robbing a store when I have crippling debt is also convenient."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006605 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:36:32")

">>5006579
>I shouldn't have to tell my sexual partners if I have HIV
HIV is recognized as a threat to someone's life, sperm sadly isn't.
>Poverty can be solved with genocide
Not really, since unless there's a complete redistribution of wealth then there will still be people who have less and people who have more among the survivors.

>>5006585
>"why should i be responsible for what i do?"
Abortion is being responsible. Having a kid you don't want and that only creates problems for you isn't.
>Alredy did
Mlae condoms have 18% failure rate, that's not minimizing.
>they are on their periods
Medical abortion looks exactly like a period.
>If they dont it´s their problem
It's the woman's problem too since she has to carry their unwanted offspring."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006618 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:39:19")

">>5006605
>HIV is recognized as a threat to someone's life, sperm sadly isn't.
So then you admit their is no reason for abortion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006624 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:39:58")

">>5006599
>abortion is murder
No it isn't. The fetus does not have the right to violate the woman's freedom and body, so the woman has the right to remove it from inside her for her own well-being safety. Nothing the woman has done is consent to hosting it inside her body against her will, especially when she states she does not want it inside her."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006631 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:41:29")

">>5006605
you can go on the internet and search for ladies that drank hundreds of gallons of sperm and didn´t die"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006632 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:41:53")

">>5006618
Yes there is, abortion is necessary for the woman to keep her freedom, integrity and autonomy over herself, and not be considered a less important vessel to someone else.
For that reason, sperm should be considered a threat to others too, and men forced into sterilization so they can't use it against women."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006643 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:45:16" && image=="1526857898856.jpg")

">>5006624
Are women so incapable of not opening their legs that they would support forced sterilization? Literal fucking children lmao"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006645 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:45:39")

">>5006605
being the poorest isn´t the same as being poor, you can´t trick anyone with your marxist tricks

>Abortion is being responsible. Having a kid you don't want and that only creates problems for you isn't.
>Mlae condoms have 18% failure rate, that's not minimizing.
>Medical abortion looks exactly like a period.
>It's the woman's problem too since she has to carry their unwanted offspring.

This amount of strawmaning it´s like seing a dog chase it´s tail"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006657 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:47:20")

">>5006643
Men are incapable of minding their own business and not try to interfere with a woman's life and body at every turn, so women got to take precautions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006658 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:47:26")

">>5006624
>have sex knowing full well it has a risk of pregnancy
>get pregnant
>I DONT CONSENT TO THIS
I'm going to use this argument next time I get pulled over for speeding. I should be able to do anything I want to as long as I don't consent to the consequences."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006666 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:48:31" && image=="1531183970252.jpg")

">>5006657
Why are you even on 4chan roastie?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006675 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:51:12")

">>5006658
>speeding
You keep comparing sex and pregnancy to crimes.
It's not like that. One can have sex and not want to be pregnant. Having sex for sex and not for pregnancy is not a crime. "Risk of pregnancy" doesn't matter because you can have decided to have an abortion in case the birth control fails long before having sex. It is not an obligatory consequence."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006676 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:52:25")

">>5006645
>being the poorest isn´t the same as being poor
Tell that to poor people in America who are not the poorest but still don't like being poor.

>facts are strawmaning"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006679 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:54:24")

">>5006675
Are you autistic? The important part of the analogy is that actions can have consequences whether you consent to te consequences or not. If I spend too much money I'll get in debt whether I consent to it or not."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006690 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:58:40")

">>5006676
what a meme, America might be a rich nation but they still have real poverty, pretending they are fine you keep comparing averages is ignoring the issue
your argumenting is strawmaning as we have been trough all those arguments with you slowly changing goals"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006695 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)12:59:33")

">>5006679
>actions can have consequences whether you consent to te consequences or not
That's the point. Actions do not necessarily have to have the consequence you want them to have. One can get pregnant and terminate it. That's a perfectly possible consequence. You're the one that wants to arbitrarily deny an absolutely possible outcome and force another instead because you hate the idea of someone not doing what YOU want.
>If I spend too much money I'll get in debt
Case in point. There are multiple legal ways to deal with that, you're the one that wants to force only one of those on others."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006698 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:00:12")

">>5006690
>we have been trough all those arguments
And you haven't refuted them once."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006708 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:02:19")

"feminist policies and other identity politcs are about ignoring the real issues anyway, like the unemployment and the stagnation of wages, somehow we are more progressive because a women can abort a baby because she couldn´t afford raising him than having fair wages that allow us to live as well as the previous generation";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006713 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:04:20")

">>5006695
>One can get pregnant and terminate it. That's a perfectly possible consequence. You're the one that wants to arbitrarily deny an absolutely possible outcome and force another instead because you hate the idea of someone not doing what YOU want.
One can get in debt and kill the banker. That's a perfectly possible consequence. You're the one that wants to arbitrarily deny an absolutely possible outcome and force another instead because you hate the idea of someone not doing what YOU want."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006718 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:05:23")

"This thread is making me want to take away womens suffrage. Is this really how they think?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006726 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:07:18")

">>5006598
do you guys not know that an egg can still be fertilized while using birth control?
the birth control may prevent fertilization by eliminating ovulation, or by killing sperm before it can get to the egg, or in a variety of ways depending on the type of birth control used. however, in the event an egg does become fertilized what happens is that the birth control prevents implantation of the fertilized egg (by the standards laid out here it is now "a human" since it is a fertilized egg) and that fertilized egg is expelled -- "aborted" since the uterus become an inhospitable environment for it.

seems like the boys here are just saying "women shouldn't have sex except to produce offspring" (yet will turn around and reee about being an incel and women being too choosey about who they have sex--risk pregnancy--with and would undoubtedly shit themselves if a girlfriend or wife denied them sex outside of procreative purposes)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006727 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:07:18")

">>5006713
If said banker enters your body against your will and becomes a threat to your life and liberty, yeah you can."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006728 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:07:33")

">>5006698
I have i said you are one of those women to tries the take advantage of women with real problems, you keep insisting abortion is a consequence of sex that has a solution, and then you pass it as a health issue from wich point we are all accountable for it and have to pay for it trough national healt care services"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006733 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:08:45")

">>5006728
>to tries the take
who tries to take*"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006735 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:09:27")

">>5006727
A fetus doesn't enter the body without consent unless in the case of rape. By having sex you are consenting to a possible pregnancy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006740 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:10:26")

">>5006658
it's more comparable to speeding and getting in an accident and saying you didn't consent to being injured, so you go to a hospital to treat the injury, or you didn't consent to your car being damaged, so you take it for repair.

pregnancy is not intended as a punishment to discourage. it's a natural outcome that is not controlled by laws like punishing a speeder is. getting into an accident or being injured is an act of god, as is pregnancy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006763 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:17:09")

">>5006735
back in january i invited a homeless acquaintance to stay with me
when they became a burden i was no longer willing to support (as it became detrimental to me) i told them they had to leave
i was not obligated to continue hosting them even though being put on the street might have resulted in their death (because they had failed to support themselves without me during the time i had helped them)
their life or death was not my problem
my intent was not to kill them, my intent was to remove them from my home and stop being a burden on me

i had every right to tell that friend to leave. i was not in any way obligated to favor their life over my own wellbeing. the difference here being that i did willingly invite them in. i did consent to have them for the period that i did. when i no longer consented, i told them to leave."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006771 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:18:32")

">>5006740
Fixing a broken leg or a cracked radiator doesn't involve killing another living being."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006776 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:20:35")

">>5006771
so is birth control wrong?
because a fertilized egg can be expelled as a result of birth control as seen >>5006740"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006785 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:23:46")

">>5006763
A more apt analogy would be if that homeless person was your newborn child, which would be both immoral and illegal."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006805 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:28:00")

">>5006776
A morning after pill is different than birth control. Regardless I am not against 1st trimester abortions, I am just pointing out faults in your logic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006807 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:28:18")

">>5006785
its not illegal to abandon your baby
there are places designated as "safe havens" where you can leave them and they are EVERYWHERE
local convenience stores/gas stations have signs designated them as a safe haven even

with a fetus your hands are tied because there is literally no way to rid yourself of the burden without terminating the life
in every other scenario you have a right to defend yourself against someone causing harm to your body or holding you hostage in any way, or the right to request an unwanted dependent stop relying on your for dependency"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006818 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:30:34")

">>5006807
you literally said, "being put on the street", you can´t do that to a son"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006819 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:31:05")

">>5006805
a morning after pill is different than birth control, yes! it works solely to interrupt the implantation of the fetus, nothing else.
however, regular monthly birth controls that use hormones, IUDs that don't use hormones (but instead use copper), and other types can also cause an implanted fetus to be expelled. the first line of defense is usually to either stop ovulation in the woman, or kill sperm before it can reach the egg (such is the case with copper devices), but in the even those fail, the above methods will also interfere with implantation of the fetus. they interfere with implantation because they impact the uterine lining and interfere with its ability to thicken. if the uterine lining does not thicken (which does not happen when hormonal birth control is used), the fertilized fetus -- what you would consider a human life -- is expelled; aborted."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006826 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:32:47")

">>5006818
except you can
you can legally drop your son off at a gas station, a grocery store, a bank, a firehouse, a library, etc. outside the building and drive away.
you can leave your newborn infant on the door step of any of these locations, knock on the door, and run away."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006838 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:35:36")

">>5006826
You do realize thay you're pulling apart your own analogy right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006851 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:37:43")

">>5006838
i don't see how
saying "u wrecked your own analogy" without saying how doesn't make it true

i said i told him to leave my house and i had no obligation to ensure what would befall him after that
you can tell your son to walk to the gas station and stay there and never come home again, even though you have no idea what will befall him after

how am i "pulling my own argument apart"?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006853 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:39:08")

">>5006826
Jesus Christ the US is really a huge cesspit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006867 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:41:48")

">>5006826
legal and easy=/=moral and right

Does anyone have that hitler meme quote about arguing with jews but with women instead?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006883 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:44:55")

">>5006851
you admited you don´t need an abortion to dispose of your baby, can just drop him in a safe place"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006887 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:45:49")

">>5006853
UK treats child abandonment by locating the parents and giving them support and counselling because surprise, they usually abandon their child for good reason and need help themselves.
that's the punishment. the punishment is trying to help the parent who is suffering.

they don't force you to take the child back and be burdened by it.
they don't force you into a prison cell.
you get fucking counselling; you get taxpayer funded HELP."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006891 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:46:30")

">>5006883
you can't drop your pregnancy off at a safe place, retard

pregnancy =/= live baby separated from you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006903 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:49:04")

">>5006867
the original person cited it being illegal as a reason not to do it.
see: >>5006785
follow the argument or fuck off."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006922 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:52:51")

">>5006887
>UK treats child abandonment by locating the parents and giving them support and counselling because surprise, they usually abandon their child for good reason and need help themselves.
>that's the punishment. the punishment is trying to help the parent who is suffering.

wtf are you even saying? you realise we are in a differant topic right now?

>>5006891
but you can give them to adoption after birth without dumping him in gas station, bitch"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006953 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:58:15")

">>5006922
because the person say the US was a mess by allowing parents to abandon their children

>>5006922
yes after you are forced to carry him for nine months against your will and endure any and all injuries, illness, and financial impact associated with it, and also potentially die or incur lifelong injuries/disease.

it is like saying i should have hosted my homeless friend until he was able to sort his life out and get his own place; that i am morally obligated to do so. it would be like saying i am PROHIBITED from asking him to leave my home and cease being a burden on me, until he is able to support himself without me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006962 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:59:56")

">>5006953
You are mentally a child."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5006969 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)14:01:00")

">>5006962
>i have no argument so im just going to insult you hurdedurdur u child"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007004 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)14:07:12")

">>5006953
no, because the US law creates a mess forcing regular persons in their job, regulary a entry level job wich means a kid working at it, to take carre of the issue when orphanages and legal intermediaries exist in other countries"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007010 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)14:08:40")

">>5007004
you consented to taking care of a child when you consented to working at a designated safe haven :P"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007013 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)14:09:44")

">>5007010
wich spots can be safe havens?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007068 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)14:20:46")

">>5006969
I have repeated my arguments multiple times in the thread with you ignoring them and instead trying to sidetrack arguments and argue semantics. Scientists could come out tomorrow and prove that a fetus gains consciousness at conception and is without a doubt a person and you would still find some mental gymnastics to justify abortion. You don't actually care about any of the moral or ethical aspects of the issue. You just want life to be as free from consequences and responsibility as possible. It's the same logic behind demands for free tampons."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007197 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)14:59:47")

">>5006735
>A fetus doesn't enter the body without consent
Yes it does. It did not ask the woman's permission to develop inside her space.
>By having sex you are consenting to a possible pregnancy
No, people have the right to have sex without being subjected to pregnancy. Sex is not consent to pregnancy. Women are not breeding machines, they are people who have the right to enjoy pregnancy-free sex as much as men."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007216 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:03:20")

">>5007197
Did the woman ask the child if he wanted to be born when fucking raw the first dick she found?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007228 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:05:07")

">>5007216
There was no child to be had at all, it showed up unwanted and unrequested."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007258 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:09:52")

">>5007068
All your arguments boil down to
>you can't do this because I don't want you to
Abortion exists, is absolutely harmless and beneficial for the woman, and the woman has the right to care about herself and her own good and not be made to sacrifice herself for another, especially a brainless blob she wants nothing to do with. Women are not breeding stock for you to enslave. Women are people too and they have the right to rule over themselves and their bodies. If they want to make their body an inhospitable place to unwanted guests, that's their imperative to do so. Conception does not deny a woman agency over her own body."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007314 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:24:33")

">>5006819
And that's why the stance that a fetus' life is more important than a woman is unacceptable. The woman's life is made practically impossible if a clump of cells is thought more important than her. That's not acceptable."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007367 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:36:37")

">>5007314
>p
nobody is putting the mothers life against the fetus you retard. it´s been said and i say it again, you are trying to take advantage of women who might actually have problems delivering a baby to abort because of personal reasons. You can´t keep an argument without changing it from a health issue were some women might die to an argument of "he didn´t ask consent to enter the body", and from this to an argument that the baby is a parasite and that "responsabilites" is a vague term because the child might do bad latter in life"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007388 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:42:21" && image=="1531674173133.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007421 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:48:04")

">>5007367
>nobody is putting the mothers life against the fetus
You are putting the mother's daily life and freedom to live her life as she wants against the fetus though. Can she lift weights if she so pleases even though that might provoke a miscarriage?Can she keep doing her job with no limitations No? Then she is deprived in her life and has the right not to be because of a pregnancy she doesn't want.
>abort because of personal reasons
Personal reasons are legitimate too.
>You can´t keep an argument without changing it from a health issue were some women might die to an argument of "he didn´t ask consent to enter the body"
Both arguments are valid. Women have multiple reasons not to want a pregnancy.
>the baby is a parasite
Objective fact.
>the child might do bad latter in life
Will, not might. This is also a documented fact. >>5006480"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007435 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:50:44")

">>5007388
Three abortions would have been better."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007453 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)15:56:07")

">>5007013
anywhere that is designated.
you will see yellow triangle signs that say SAFE HAVEN on them, usually with a little house symbol.
they are all over the place and you probably dont even notice them. i don't know what the specific rules are on designated one as such though."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007481 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:01:57")

"we could make everything very easy if we just made it illegal to have sex with a woman unless they sign a contract stating they will both dedicate themselves to raising the child

oh wait men don't want to get married
and they also don't want to raise 12 kids
but they also think not having sex multiple times a week is ghastly and like the are being cheated out of something they "paid" for
so they'll want the woman to use birth control which, surprise, can act as an abortifacient"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007526 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:09:31")

">>5007481
Make sure this contract states that the woman is free to sue, seize the man's money and have him incarcerated the moment he does anything against her will, because incels would love to have an opportunity to abuse a woman like that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007527 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:09:38")

">>5007228
>Oh gee, I wonder where this baby came from after banging three niggers without condom!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007538 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:11:23")

">>5007527
She looks middle eastern. Likely in the shithole country she fled from they think abortion is murder and birth control is murder too since it works just like abortion, and women aren't people so who cares what they want."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007539 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:11:28")

">>5007526
wonder why those laws became a necessity the same way allowing abortion became a necessity hmmmmmmmm"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007552 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:13:18")

">>5007539
Men can't be trusted not to abuse a woman at any given opportunity, so you gotta ensure they never have the opportunity to do that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007591 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:21:02")

">>5007538
>>5007527
And those children are likely her abusive husband who got her pregnant no matter if she wanted them or not and didn't want her to get abortions."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007606 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:25:05")

">>5007453
There is no such shit were i live, we have orphanages and many ways to direct children there, from church entities to state or medical ones

>You are putting the mother's daily life and freedom to live her life as she wants against the fetus though. Can she lift weights if she so pleases even though that might provoke a miscarriage?Can she keep doing her job with no limitations No? Then she is deprived in her life and has the right not to be because of a pregnancy she doesn't want.
People do often help pregnant women and there are laws made to protect pregnant women in their jobs. but you don´t really care do you? These laws could be improved both in it´s shape and actual aplication but you have your own priorities. Losing your life is nothing compared to postponing a bunch of months of your life
>Personal reasons are legitimate too.
Not for when you want get out of responsabilities, much less on the expenses of the others
>the baby is a parasite
no
>Will, not might. This is also a documented fact. >>5006480
It´s kids that go to psychiatrist because they are alredy fucked up, and it´s the mothers fault for the upbringing not the lack of abortion, and you seriously need to learn how to read, frequently doesn´t mean always"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007645 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:32:32")

">>5007481
>oh wait men don't want to get married
>and they also don't want to raise 12 kids
>but they also think not having sex multiple times a week is ghastly and like the are being cheated out of something they "paid" for
>so they'll want the woman to use birth control which, surprise, can act as an abortifacient
>Men can't be trusted not to abuse a woman at any given opportunity, so you gotta ensure they never have the opportunity to do that.


You lost your ability to trust men didn´t you? Who hurt you annonete?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007653 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:35:17")

">>5007606
>there are laws made to protect pregnant women in their jobs

in the US women get a pitiful amount of maternity leave and many jobs do not offer paid maternity leave at all
you either go to work waddling around with your hemorrhoids and nausea, or you lose your job and your ability to pay for your neonatal doctor visits/care, your health insurance to cover the birthing expenses, etc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007660 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:36:55")

">>5007606
>People do often help pregnant women
If a woman wants to lift weights or do any other legal activity that might cause a miscarriage helping her is besides the point. She wants to do that activity and nobody has the right to stop her, even if poses a risk to the fetus, because it's not a fetus she wants and you are the one forcing it on her when she doesn't want it.
>Losing your life is nothing compared to postponing a bunch of months
Not losing my life is pretty important to me. dunno where you got that. Postponing a bunch of months means losing too much time and opportunity I will not gain back. No thanks.
>responsabilities
There's no responsibility to be pregnant against your will. You cannot force people to have a child, people are free to live as they please without being forced to shit out children.
>on the expenses of the others
You're the one that's disregarding the woman's expenses here.
>no
Yes. And it deserves to be hated for it.
> the mothers fault for the upbringing not the lack of abortion
It's the lack of abortion's fault for forcing a huge unacceptable burden on the mother she could have done perfectly without."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007666 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:37:38")

">>5007645
i didn't say the last line, that's a different poster
however, i love a man very much and would like to eventually marry him. i'm still a virgin and have never been at risk of being pregnant, but have seen countless men balk at the fact that in the 3 years i have known the above man, we have not had sex and spout off that the guy is getting gipped and they wouldn't stand for that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007682 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:40:35")

">>5007645
The males in this very thread want to hurt and absurdly, unfairly, unjustly penalize women for wanting to have sex for sex and not for pregnancy.
>but birth control
Birth control works exactly like abortion, it flushes the walls of the uterus out taking the fertilized egg with it. Is that acceptable to you or not?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007696 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:44:11")

">>5006565
So you don't ask for STD tests either?
Enjoy the clamydia circus."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007718 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:49:07")

">>5007696
>asking is the same thing as demanding
I guess for a man it is, rather then leave and move on to someone else they always demand she say yes, how dare she refuse them"
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if(Nathan Bedford Forrest && title=="" && postNumber==5007909 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)17:33:19" && image=="what race is it.jpg")

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5007994 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)17:49:06")

">>5007718
How does that have anything to do with what I said? Asking for vasectomy and STD papers is not the same as demanding sex. I guess being this much of a roastie really fucks with your brain."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008117 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:09:09")

">>5007994
The post you quoted explicitly said demanding.
You can ask for STD tests. They can refuse. You can leave them and move on. You can't demand they show them to you if they don't want.
Just like you can for sex. They can refuse. You can leave them and move on. You can't demand they give you sex if they don't want.

Why are men so unable to understand the difference between asking and demanding?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008123 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:10:04")

">>5007653
yes they do, in my country i even heard female bosses being bitches to pregnant employees and that´s wrong
All those things that make a pregnancy undesired should be first priority if you ask me

>If a woman wants to lift weights or do any other legal activity that might cause a miscarriage helping her is besides the point. She wants to do that activity and nobody has the right to stop her, even if poses a risk to the fetus, because it's not a fetus she wants and you are the one forcing it on her when she doesn't want it.
Breaking an arm will do the same, you will be reliant on someone while it heals
>Not losing my life is pretty important to me. dunno where you got that. Postponing a bunch of months means losing too much time and opportunity I will not gain back. No thanks.
He, i fucked up, meant to say
"postponing a bunch of months is nothing compared to actually losing your life"
>There's no responsibility to be pregnant against your will. You cannot force people to have a child, people are free to live as they please without being forced to shit out children.
I have no responsability to pay your abortions when it´s not a health hazard
>You're the one that's disregarding the woman's expenses here.
While you are disregarding babies as the plague, on thing is not to want them the other is to say they are parasites
>Yes. And it deserves to be hated for it.
There is no way a baby can fit the definition of a parasite
>It's the lack of abortion's fault for forcing a huge unacceptable burden on the mother she could have done perfectly without.
whatever"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008137 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:11:58")

">>5008123
>There is no way a baby can fit the definition of a parasite
par·a·site
ˈperəˌsīt/Submit
noun
an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008155 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:15:45")

">>5007666
unironically good for you if true

>>5007682
>but birth control
is acceptable, recomended and affordable
>males in this very thread want to hurt women
sex is primarly supposed to make babies, that is why contraceptives are recomended"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008163 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:17:35")

">>5008123
>Breaking an arm will do the same
How does that relate to what I said?
>meant to say
Not being enslaved for someone else's gain is not nothing. The woman is not less important than the fetus that she should be forced to sacrifice her time, body and opportunities for something she never wanted.
>I have no responsability to pay your abortions
Then don't complain when people pay for their own birth control and abortions.
>on thing is not to want them the other is to say they are parasites
People who want to force unwanted offspring on women make me hate said unwanted offspring. It deserves to be an object of contempt and hate.
>There is no way a baby can fit the definition of a parasite
Fetuses leech from the host's bloodstream, just like a parasite.
Babies I am more lenient toward. Adults who don't want to get a job are pretty much parasites too."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008170 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:19:32")

">>5008155
>is acceptable
Not for those who say life begins at conception apparently, since birth control acts on the fertilized egg.
>sex is primarly supposed to make babies
No
>that is why contraceptives are recomended
It's an unfortunate possiblity that interferes with the primary function of sex, bonding and pleasure, that's why they're recommended."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008200 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:25:38")

">>5008155
>unironically good for you if true
it is true, but the typical man is fucking apalled by it if i bring it up to them, unless they are trying to make a point about abortion (then it's fine because it supports their narrative, which is inconsistent to literally the entire rest of their lives and how they live them).
even he started pushing me for sexual stuff after about 7 months, became an asshole to me, then tried to break up with me.

my experience is NOT the average experience and dealing with him/this has been hellish. most women i am certain would have just fucked him two years ago."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008210 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:27:51")

">>5008137
>"An intimate association between organisms of two or more kinds; particularly one in which a parasite obtains benefits from a host which it usually injures." (merriam webster)

Same species, not coming from the outside of a mother but rather developing from day 1 from inside her, not injurious to the mother, and it´s a definition is used to characterize a certain form of animal behaviour
There are also other forms of symbiotic relationships classified by physical attachment, such as mutualism or commensalism. Even if a child is a symbiotic relationship, it´s not a parasite"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==5008212 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:29:46")

">>5008117
So not only are you arguing semantics but you're continuing to misrepresent what I said."
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