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String date = "07/07/18(Sat)15:46:10";
String comment = "IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.


>screenshot the image and post that instead

>change camera capture settings to something smaller

>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.


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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507408 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)15:46:51" && image=="1530765019783.jpg")


Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507419 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)15:56:44")

"How do you transition from practicing to faithfully recreate your reference to practicing drawing from imagination?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507435 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)16:11:24")

[troll reply, don't take it seriously] First accurately draw what you imagine, then use that as a reference, so you'll never have to actually invent stuff. Pure evil genius."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507439 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)16:14:47" && image=="nilmar.png")

"This guy was supposed to be Neymar";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507520 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:19:33" && image=="1504740788166.jpg")

I've been drawing for a little bit know and just started trying figure drawing. I have a decent idea of where the muscles go, but have no clue how to make any of my drawings look any bit real. When I pull up a reference I pour almost an hour into it and it still looks like a cartoon. Is this a problem with rendering or do I just need to spend more time on each piece and really try to hone in on certain details?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507521 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:19:58")

"So proud to have made the OP.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507532 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:29:29")

Post work."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507543 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)17:39:47")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507562 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:00:54" && image=="jVerQWv.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507572 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:08:53" && image=="1475636418539.jpg")

"i miss when people would post refs";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507574 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:14:08" && image=="JIUWcPC.jpg")

"here's a ref";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507578 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:18:09" && image=="Drake_Wuertz[1].png")

here's another ref"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507596 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)18:36:46" && image=="Stitches.jpg")

>I put that brick in your face
>(say what)
>Now what you gon' do with it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507638 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)19:20:06" && image=="sketch day 1.png")

"Why do I feel that I lose something when I go from the sketch to the lineart?
It doesn't seem to have the same appeal. What am I doing wrong and what can I do?
Thanks in advance. Pic related."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507645 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)19:27:35")

try to re-draw it instead of tracing it. also the loose lines give it a sense of form which is missing in the line art."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507647 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)19:30:12")

I guess it's because there's no type of shadow in it, the sketch feels more tridimensional"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507650 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)19:33:47")

UUhhh EXCUSE YOU make did you just make a new thread for your artwork.... Use the begginer thread.

Dont thank me, just doing my part in maintaining the boards culture :P ehehehe"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507655 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)19:38:36")

sketches allow the brain to infer the correct form"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507659 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)19:40:45" && image=="f925c278e581c4135a1569f7b0f1e3b5.jpg")

"Here's the ref for the OP.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507726 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)20:52:12")

Is it just me or do sketches look cooler than lineart? I know people don't like the frayed lines but I kind of like it for it's style."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507732 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)21:02:17")

I think lineart is just lacking detail. They are flat and featureless, whereas sketches show a little character in that they are multiple raw lines laid on top of each other.
Also the stark lines in line art don't allow the eye to deviate from that one defined line, making any imperfections stand out, but with sketches there is larger margin or error so to speak, that covers up or blurs that error with a different line."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507734 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)21:03:43")

post your work my man"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507780 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)21:47:40" && image=="7 of 5 of 18 anatomy.jpg")

tridimentionality here? I know hands are yuck. how's anatomy and proportions overall?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507783 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)21:48:58" && image=="7 of 5 o 18 still life.jpg")

quiick one hour still life. I want to figure draw but still life is still fun and they say it helps with shaping"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507792 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)21:55:52" && image=="asdwewe.jpg")

"I've tried doing construction. It takes twice as long as just drawing the contours directly and looks worse. Am I doing it wrong? And if I'm not, what is construction even good for?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507793 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)21:56:19")

You're better than me, but the sketch's thick and messy lines look a bit like shade, so the nose and lips have more form. The sketch's line weight also varies a lot more."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507805 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)22:04:31")

Can you draw better from imagination with or without construction?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507809 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)22:06:54")

I can't do either."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507817 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)22:10:34" && image=="sword guy.png")

"hey, can I get some feedback on this? I want to render it but I want to make sure everything looks ok first.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507819 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)22:11:08" && image=="sword guy ref.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507825 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)22:16:53")

great work anon"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507864 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)23:02:43")

"If just starting, is it more beneficial to do many quick sketches focusing on general form and drawing shapes, or go for fewer but greater detailed works?

Or just a bit of a combination>"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507868 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)23:05:54")

I've been drawing birds

I dont know whether i'm improving or not
I dont even know if i'm drawing correctly
I'm just kinda stuck and unsure of myself"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507895 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)23:26:32")


since you're doing traditional, you have your older work, right? post older work so people can say if they see tangible improvement"

if(09focus && title=="" && postNumber==3507904 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)23:40:51" && image=="overheaven.png")

"here mine";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507914 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)23:53:59")

Mouth looks too flat/2d"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507915 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)23:54:11")

>I am Iron Mong"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507930 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)00:13:23")

"what's your guys' fav tutorial for gesture? i'm trying to do hampton (i got the vid course) but it seems very hard to actually do what he instructs to without working on it for over a minute. i wanna do poses but my gestures always look so stiff. can someone link/tell me of some good gesture tutorials?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507936 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)00:19:31" && image=="IMG20180708134825.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507950 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)00:29:50")

I have the same doubt, I would think this is up to you

I will try drawing many small bodies"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507953 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)00:35:20" && image=="thomasmarsSmall.png")

Why... Why does he look so disdainful? This is the face that you make when you're at a party and someone spills a little bit of their drink on you, but it's not so big of a deal that anyone even noticed. This is the face a father makes when his son comes out as transgender to them. This is the face that someone makes when they walk into an airport toilet and there's shit on the seat. Tell me, why do his eyes look so dead?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507960 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)00:41:37")

I don't think having a small amount of liquid is the same as having a trainwreck for a child."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3507977 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)00:56:59")

Any thoughts or tips? First time I've sat and doodled since a child."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508007 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)01:20:41")

"tryna draw a portrait for a friend as present.

any tips before I go in and finish this?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508010 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)01:22:31" && image=="Untitled_Artwork 11.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508041 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)01:55:56")

edge control please everything looks really overblended"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508067 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)02:41:25")

thanks! I'll try and render it now and see how it turns out."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508077 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)03:05:19" && image=="3507638.png")

You're not losing anything. You're just unable to hide flaws with line art as you could in a loose sketch. Line art is like watching a porno in HD.

Line art should not be simpler than your sketch, it should be more specific and tighter. Don't be sloppy, take your time and make every stroke count."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508084 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)03:18:00")

that sketch is better than your one tho, pose is better, expression is better, cuter, more cogent. nice hand though, folds too"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508087 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)03:20:32")

what doe overblended mean?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508116 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)04:22:42")

it means that a lot of the edges look to soft and you aren't confident enough with your edges"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508126 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)04:30:24" && image=="20180630_094851.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508149 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)04:52:31" && image=="2-1.png")

"somethin im workin on
idk why i hate it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508155 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)05:02:09")

Flip the canvas."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508157 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)05:04:01")

oh my fucking god"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508197 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)05:51:04" && image=="IMG_2206.jpg")

"third time trying to post this image:
im trying out a new brush on this one, and I am having trouble with making edges with it. how do I learn?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508207 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)06:24:41")

I always traced my sketch. If I try to re-draw it, won't I make some smaller mistakes? Or is it just a matter of gitting gud? Anyways I'll definitely try. Thanks for the input anon.

Seems right to me, that's what I thought.

Sketches bring really more life to a character, but that's me. I have nearly to zero experience when it comes to a lineart, so I usually try to polish my sketch as much as I can before colouring.

Yeah. My line weight sucks a lot, here's something I should really practice. Thanks anon.

I didn't expect to have someone to make me an example of good lineart. I think yours it's really great, I'm really missing line weight and little details in my lineart. Thanks a lot anon, I feel I made a step in the right direction."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508230 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)06:54:00")

"Is there some book/tutorial on edges?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508255 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)07:22:38" && image=="water cave.png")

"does this look gloomy? does this lighting and perspective check out?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508294 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)07:55:41")

It doesn't really look like you've considered how the light should be reflected, assuming the top is your only light source. The water highlight definitely doesn't work like that.
There are some perspective elements but it could be stronger, especially that tree looks flat. Overall impression is messy.
On the plus side, that thumbnail looks pretty nice."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508320 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)08:14:14" && image=="20180708_151200.jpg")

"Drawing for about a month , mainly doing keys to drawing projects, i feel like i am shit and i cant motivate myseld to continue,any tips on how to keep my will up?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508341 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)08:37:51" && image=="cavehelp.jpg")

Decided to follow this up because why not. I assume you were going for pretty hard light. Try to determine which areas get almost no illumination at all."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508367 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:00:03" && image=="1530105348181.png")

"I'm a month and a half in learning and losing a little steam

Is there anything here that immediately needs fixing?

I dont want to move onto the big scary things like rendering just yet"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508381 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:20:15")

Did you read fun with a pencil?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508401 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:44:31")

thanks for the feedback. i wasnt really considering how the light would bounce back to the top. would the light in the water make sense if it had the beam of light spread so that it covered where the reflection is too? i just made the beam wide enough so that it hit the tree/island the way i want it too. as for the perspective. its supposed to be a 'dome' shape so where the water meets the wall should be going back, while as you go further up, the ceiling gets 'closer' as you get to the gap where the light comes through. its all tricky because i have to go dark but not too dark and there has to be light but it cant be too light. its sooo hard"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508408 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:53:25")

When rendering mirror-like surfaces you have to think about where your line of sight bounces instead of where the light source illuminates the surface. Unless the surface is dusty/dirty/whatever you won't have any matte qualities in it. I recommend "How to render" if you want to get used to this kind of thinking. Keep at it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508409 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:53:59")

Draw for yourself."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508437 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:26:57")

I rlly like this one"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508452 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:43:24" && image=="Screenshot_20180708-154019.png")

"So I'm still working on this one reference. In the last thread an anonymous said that I needed to fix some facial features and try to do the hair. This is today's one. Was hoping if I could get a crit, hoping I fixed it.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508457 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:45:37" && image=="rowena_braids_stock_by_reine_harud4g3l5c.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508461 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:48:26")

There's no room for a brain in that skull."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508466 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)10:49:31" && image=="imnotwearinganypants.jpg")

"this encapsulates my thoughts on bio fuel alternatives";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508488 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)11:03:16")

"I have a feeling that nobody in here knows anything and just says "symbol drawing, read the sticky" to everybody who wants help.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508494 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)11:06:17")

A lot of the time that is actually good advice though, the sticky is good. Broke me out of symbol drawing easily."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508498 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)11:07:47")

>Broke me out of symbol drawing easily.

Well, I went through it and still get people telling me I'm symbol drawing. Oh well."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508605 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:16:55" && image=="franco nero sketch side-by-side.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508609 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:18:25")

Post your work"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508661 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:47:10" && image=="14COhR2.png")

"Anybody got a large gallery of reference images for the anatomy of limbs/whatever from different angles?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508666 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)12:50:56" && image=="IMG_2117.jpg")

">>3508661 this channel has alot of poses that could be used as ref also: is awesome"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508701 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)13:10:48")

He waifued your girl. Are you gonna take that?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508704 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)13:12:39")

this is my old work
i've also done a lot of exercises before hand as well"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508790 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:10:26")

"Wasn't sure where to ask this question since it's kinda strange.
Ever since Twitter implemented the 'hey, we'll share your likes on folks time-lines as well!' policy, I've become nervous to like certain things.
I'm a SFW shota artist that follows a bunch of loli artists too. I swear anytime I like a loli pic that's even remotely ecchi (swimsuit, skimp, etc) I lose a follower or two.
Has Twitter doing this influenced who you smash that heart button for?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508840 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:46:44")

Your contour drawings seem like gestures, so they look more lively. While you construction based drawings incorporate an awareness for placement and direction of bodyparts yet feel more stiff. They also lack any sense for proportions. Start with a drawing like on the left then draw a stick figure on top with correct lengths for the body parts, then add volume to the stick figure."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508845 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:53:10")

"how the FUCK do you draw curly hair";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508847 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:53:40")

Not him but isn't that the wrong way around? Why would you do a contour drawing and then add a stick figure after the fact?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508849 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:55:17")

"Any recommended video resources other than proko on construction? Can't find anything in the sticky.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508854 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)14:58:50")

I stopped faving and retweeting any kind of nudity well over a year ago. Not because I'm ashamed of it or out of concern for followers, but because I don't want artists I follow to get banned. This sort of selfish incivility, the desire to sanitize the web to their own standards, seems to be a western thing, so I see value in keeping eastern and western audiences apart."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508869 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:09:48")

There are a lot of approaches to start a drawing. But the first step would always be to define the space taken up by the figure. This could happen via a simple block in, a gesture, light/shadow or a prelimary contour drawing. It's important to capture the dynamic or shape of your figure, depending on what is more important in your drawing. At this point, there is still no guaranteed anatomical correctness. This is only achieved via construction. The volumeless stick figure is just the first step in this part but it still needs to follow the lines of the gesture or needs to be constrained by your contour to retain the sense of motion or the shape respectively. Note that the gesture or the contour is only preliminary and can stillbe fudged to accomodate the corrected anatomy/proportions as long as the basic line flow of the gesture is still retained."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508888 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:26:45")

I follow a certain namefag on twitter, and ever since that favs-as-retweets algorithm kicked in I've gotten a tonne of lewd stuff on my timeline. I don't mind it, but yeah it can be reasonably concluded that the fav button has adverse effects."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508892 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:29:51")

how does this work? at the beginning of the video he doesnt create any undersketch or have any planning, and if you skim through the video, the person just magically appears. do you eventually do EVERYTHING in your head after decades of drawing?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508908 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)15:45:28")

Well, this isn't a very outlandish pose. Combined with the possibility that he has a lot of practice doing this pose on a sheet of that size, he probably knows what parts of the body he should be doing when he reaches certain zones on the sheet of the paper."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508945 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:20:15" && image=="sketch 3.png")

"So, I've tried to keep every detail I could from the sketch I made. I made a slightly different pose from the reference.
How is it, and what can I do to make it better?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508957 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:25:22" && image=="07-07-2018_gesture.png")

"Can I get a feedback on this ? I'm trying to improve my proportion but I don't know if it's working. I'm also trying to do the 100 doodle from

>this week

>25/06/2018 - 01/07/2018

>18/06/2018 - 24/06/2018

>13/06/2018 - 15/06/2018"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508973 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:39:05")

Put more emphasis on the curvatures of the back, arms and legs but it's a good first step. Now start to insert the bone structure and try to keep the proportions right. Then you realize which parts need adjustment."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508976 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:40:25")

Look at the hand grabbing the bar, anon.
Just look at it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508979 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:42:59" && image=="1512098171621.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508981 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:46:41")

I know, I wanted the hand in a different position. I said that I made a slightly different pose for a reason. I agree though that it doesn't look too good."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508982 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:47:49")

Okay, thank you a lot."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3508997 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:57:45")

The eye balls are quite a bit strange the rest of it seems fine but the contrast in shading could be more intense"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509013 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:07:14" && image=="Screenshot_20180708-230537_Instagram.jpg")

"I did a portrait of danny devito";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509020 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:12:38")

"Rate my balloons, trying to get bettter at representing form with line.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509024 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:15:36" && image=="softForms.jpg")

I forgot to attach the file."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509036 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:20:22")

Why so angular? But I like the figure, not a fan of that face painted onto a bowling pin tho."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509039 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:22:02")

1/10 the 1 is for effort
if you want to study something like that you should probably use a real world reference so you can understand how it acts before diving into hypothetical situations"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509047 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:27:38")

He's so happy. I want this on my wall."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509052 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:30:19" && image=="image.jpg")

"Some rough sketches with the 2mm pencil - B grade Mitsubishi lead. Feel free to redline... I'll switch to my laptop and upload the ref too.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509057 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:32:15" && image=="1527429732418.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509068 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:37:50" && image=="1527869029637.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509071 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:39:25" && image=="Portrait July 8.jpg")

"I don't give a shit about the rendering, but how is the anatomy?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509074 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:42:35")

that profile is perfect. Everyone should sharpen when drawing faces, or switch to a mechanical. Admittedly I was thinking much more about the overall form."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509097 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:01:33")


i think you've improved. u should try to shade ur birds"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509109 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:07:12")

>that profile is perfect

it looks like a human wearing a dog muzzle"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509131 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:21:35")

That is what makes it perfect >:^)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509179 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:02:59" && image=="7-8-18.jpg")

Here are some sketches from yesterday and one from today. Problem is that every time I get farther than just a sketch of the figure I don't know what to do and I feel like everything I do results in something super derpy."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509192 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:19:07")

"Is using the gradient tool cheating? Is there a better way to do it by hand with blending or something?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509311 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:22:53")

nothing is cheating, master your tools"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509330 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:33:52")

"Spent another day where I studied for 5 hours and drew for maybe an hour tops and was generally unsuccessful.

This keeps happening, I can't convince myself that the study isn't more important than drawing since I've drawn on the same level for about 10 years because I didn't study."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509340 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:37:57" && image=="8766899687567.png")

"why does loomis flip the hip bone for women? i know women generally have wider hips but i find this confusing. why not just make the trapezoid wider and fill in the rest while building on the thigh? i have been getting girls wrong with thigh gap being very large and no idea how to map ass cheeks from below the trapezoid so im assuming loomis system is superior, he is the master, but i just cannot wrap my head around it. how would i know for example where the thigh bone comes from?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509348 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:42:42")

loomis can only draw 1950s comic book people. his women look like men with tits and hair
look up doxys toots for good female anatomy stuff"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509352 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:45:27" && image=="896789786.jpg")

doxy does not have good anatomy and loomis was a very capable artist"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509358 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:50:08")

I put it on my wall im trying to fill it entirely with drawings"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509366 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:56:13")

How often do you do studies? 5 hours seems a bit long for one session, it's better to have shorter ones more often, perhaps with breaks in between that you can use to practice whatever subject you are on."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509373 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:59:35" && image=="DSC_0328.jpg")

"Did a plaster study following new master of arts videos";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509434 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:24:48")

I think you should definitely spend more time on each piece, but try to focus on the shapes of each individual body part in particular. Take a closer look at how the shapes overlap and join with each other, especially in the arms.
I don't know your extent of muscle knowledge but it only really helps for figures if you know the bone structure underneath, as well as how to skin stretches over it and pinches at the joints."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509484 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:04:03" && image=="di-di-di-digimon.png")

Holy shit. From the unrotated thumbnail I thought that was a really fucking squished and streched out Kai from Digimon. I just needed to share."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509506 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:33:50")

Nice ref. What book is this from"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509546 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:15:07")

"Is it bad if I usually have to erase like 1000 times until I can finally get a drawing that looks kind of accurate?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509556 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:22:35")


I really like this one. I hope you post more."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509562 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:29:09" && image=="spla spla spla spla splatoon.jpg")

"splatoon doodle";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509563 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:29:40" && image=="skull.jpg")

"took me all day";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509567 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:33:44" && image=="posefile2.png")

Pose File 2"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509599 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)00:03:27")

I do not like this drawing, Anon
it's smug aura mocks me"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509724 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:28:29" && image=="20180709_012156.jpg")

"Is this shit? If so why?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509725 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:29:48" && image=="1531036038044.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509728 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:30:53")

you pushed his face to far to the right"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509735 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:35:02")

I'm too stupid for this, fuck. I have nothing"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509740 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:36:52" && image=="kamina.jpg")

just do some construction before you begin anon
you can do it! believe in me who believes in you!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509748 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:47:15" && image=="roman detroit.png")

"are there any glaring issues with this? i feel like the perspective of the column is off, as in the column and base dont match. but what about everything else? does the bust look fine? do the colors work? painting these leaves and foliage blows ass.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509749 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)01:48:47")

should note im nowhere near finished"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509760 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)02:04:35")

I think the issue with the column is that it is in a wrong perspective all together, it looks longer than what I assume you intended. The colors are nice, but the tree leave's line is unnatural, they all start at the same height"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509792 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)02:35:38")

>it looks longer than what I assume you intended
i dont even know wtf i intended. i think it wanted it to be 'decently long or short'
>I think the issue with the column is that it is in a wrong perspective all together
i think i need to turn the square part so it's more 'perpendicular' to the viewing plane?
>but the tree leave's line is unnatural, they all start at the same height
that makes sense. i think ill bring the line down on some and cut some others further up"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509803 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)02:53:22" && image=="IMG_20180708_195318.jpg")

"These are yesterday's studies I did, I think it took me a total of 2 hours more or less, but I'm trying to get into it again since I haven't drawn in a month so I can't handle longer times for now.
Is there a way I can better render the skin with fewer strokes? I'm using the dense watercolor brush in CSP but I was thinking maybe there's a better option, I dunno. Or maybe I just need to practice how to use it more?
I'm open to critiques, but I know the hands kinda suck."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509898 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)04:27:04" && image=="warmuppp.png")

warm up for this morning, 1 min each"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3509900 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)04:28:28")

i like how it's a nude lady opening a coke bottle, like it can't be art unless nude ladies are involved"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510151 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:59:07")

its probably from a figure drawing website you sperg"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510272 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:11:28")

"How the fuck do I do construction, and specifically head construction? I read the Loomis Head and Hands book but it quickly just became pictures of Loomis drawing heads and I don't know if I'm supposed to copy him or what";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510306 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:46:03" && image=="interestingfilename.jpg")

"i feel bad bumping that other thread. mind if i throw it in here?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510314 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:54:35")

Read fun with a pencil."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510319 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:58:30")

I'll give it a shot, thanks"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510373 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)13:50:13" && image=="illya1.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510376 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)13:55:47")

That's some freakishly long leg bones and size feet."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510383 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:09:18" && image=="20180709_130833.png")

CUTE big feet-chan"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510399 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:19:30" && image=="IMG_0033.jpg")

"Made this to see how well I could draw a figure from imagination and to practice simpler brushwork.

I know her left shoulder and forearms are a bit fucked (and she doesn't have toes), but what else should I work on?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510419 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:28:26")

it needs edges in my opinion, it looks overblended"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510432 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:33:16")

only a couple of people actually did the ITT anyways, you should throw it in there (im the OP from the thread in fact)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510437 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:35:25")


thanks, y-you too"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510442 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:37:18")

"what do i do if i dont actually enjoy the process of drawing but want to be really good at it?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510445 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:39:03")

Use and never stop using references to draw your anime babes"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510446 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:39:12")

Overblending is the bane of my existence, I actually painted this as practice to avoid overblending, so believe it or not it's better than usual -_-

Any advice on how to get better at that? Someone in another thread suggested not zooming in too much, which I did in this case. Should I avoid pressure opacity and go with full opacity? Or maybe a hard brush rather than a soft one?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510455 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:46:18")

i dont wanna draw anime babes though"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510457 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:47:03")

I dunno man, I'm a shitter too, can't help you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510459 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:47:43")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510460 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:48:42")

Try using a harder brush, the airbrush is not your friend."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510471 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:02:47" && image=="illya2.png")

"How about now? All I did was select and resize";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510472 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:03:39")

Mind my language but what the heck!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510479 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:08:13" && image=="mado.png")

should i tell people im legally blind to properly adjust their expectations?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510481 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:09:53")

"Finished drawing on the right side of the brain, the sticky says to draw from real life and then move on to loomis. When do I move on?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510489 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:13:33")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510495 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:14:42")

I don't think you can really "finish" one, you constantly improve on one but you never really move on, so when you "move on" to something else for example you can still improve on what you "finished," constantly practicing it and getting better"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510528 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:29:04")

Try only using a hard brush to put the colors down, and ONLY when you're completely done with that blend a bit where you feel like it should be, obviously using reference.
Don't do big strokes with it, do it just on certain small places, and if a plane has a soft edge on one side try to keep it hard in the other one."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510564 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:53:50")

Cute mado, now draw poniko, monoe and monoko. If you want to get better just grind them fundies anon, if you get yourself to spend an hour doing studies every day while also drawing other stuff you'll see results fast"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510590 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)16:09:28")

Her tit/chest/ribcage area looks weird to me maybe it's just her lack of collar bones that's throwing me off."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510592 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)16:10:48")

you'll make a fine serial killer one day"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510691 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:24:26")

All good points, I'll give that a shot, thanks!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510694 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:25:47")

I'm with you, I tried to move things around as I was painting it but it still looked off. Maybe it's because her breasts are too spaced out? And yeah the fact that I basically said "fuck it" when it came to the collar bones could be part of why it looks off lol"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510701 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:28:29")

her boobs are too spaced out but also you treated it like they weren't objects sitting on top of her chest but rather like.... pecs like a man
the breasts extend out in front farther than the arms but you treated them like they are on the same plane"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510716 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:36:53")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510752 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:51:11")

"Alright guys. I didnt want to start a thread for this so I will try asking here.
I am very used to Paint Tool SAI and I feel sometimes I get close to a ceiling and I am keeping myself on the same drawing/painting skills with what I have on my hands and I see many professional and good artist use Photoshop CC. I thought this could be the software so I got PSCC and tried to set it up for drawing. I still can't get used to it and I think brushes need a lot of changes as well as a tool that works like SAI's water brush mixing tool, which mixes pretty well and works for shading.

What are your opinion on this ?
Have any of you moved from SAI or similar to PS? And if you recommend PS."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510757 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:54:24")

there will be nothing like the water tool you have to learn to use opacity and tweak the smudge tool for blending.
photoshop is an industry standard which is why most pros use it and its has many tools that sai doesn't have. also access to a shit load of plugins and customization that sai will never have."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510773 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)18:01:53")

Yeah makes sense. I think it's worth in the end to work on the tools."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510790 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)18:09:07")

Post your peak performance sai user work."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510808 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)18:16:36" && image=="blooks.png")

"Am I doing Loomis right";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510830 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)18:35:49" && image=="shapes.png")

"am I constructing correctly
pls help"

if(Notthatgreatatart && title=="" && postNumber==3510930 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)20:12:27" && image=="badcurrentart.jpg")

"Heres a not super finished piece any criticism is welcome :)";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510938 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)20:20:40" && image=="image.jpg")

"How do I blend?
I made this painting 3 days ago

I just realize I made some mistakes, well a lot
First I need to be more slower, Paint slow on the block in shapes, I dint and I lost the likeness I wanted
Titanium white is really messy, or I don’t know how to use it I think I don’t know
Third, my brush strokes are lame
Three, I need a bigger brush in some parts, simple is better.

I’m studying loomis planes to see how can I improve this."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510946 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)20:29:12")

Never mind
I will try to figure it out y myself"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510952 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)20:35:55")

"is loomis worth the time or am I going to be permanently drawing shit that looks like 1930's propoganda art";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510959 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)20:45:22")

Are you a robot? A bot?
Or an artist?

If you are an artist, you have critical thinking. So you fuck loomis, you use loomis as your tool, your reference, your guide, etc to your success."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510967 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:01:48")

yeah im just kinda retarded and getting frustrated with using a tablet for the first time"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510970 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:06:56")

"so, im in this very weird situation were i need to be a able to draw birds correctly, any good suggestions or exaples? what are some good bird artists.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510972 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:10:30")

I apologize if my answer was harsh, rude.
Look if your are frustrated, I think you are lacking something important, you are not enjoying art. That is a shame
I’m no a pro but I recommend you to take your time and then go back again to your exercise, or problem you are solving.

If you don’t enjoy the process I think it slow you down to learn. At lest try to not get frustrated"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510976 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:14:53" && image=="image.jpg")

I blended some
Well I’m gonna try another one
That doesn’t mean I didn’t try my best thou I did

But I will try harder on the next one"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510979 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:17:21" && image=="image.jpg")

"Why it flips?


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510983 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:20:29" && image=="51E402BD-EF3A-4440-9484-D4CAB971DE81_edited.jpg")

>Nice ref!
I should have modeled more of the nose and lips, but it's suitable reference. The poster above retained more of the lighting effect."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510984 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:22:28" && image=="image.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510985 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:22:59" && image=="image.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510989 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:25:30" && image=="image.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3510995 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:27:06")

showed up in my opera playlist. hella luxurious."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511009 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:36:15" && image=="3 Stages of Hell.jpg")

">Draw a pretty nice portrait at the beginning of the month through pure observation
>Study measurements and enveloping
>Draw another portrait and it's worse than stuff I did over a year ago

People say that thoughtless drawing is bad but when I try to draw using any kind of technique it ruins my drawings and I don't want to have to use a ruler to measure everything because it's one step away from using a grid.

It's like I can't get into drawing mode when I try to use methods, I can't get that focused gesture drawing or hand wrinkles contour drawing feeling.

This picture isn't the one I drew because it was in my sketchbook but it shows my problem. The first was done kinda half using measuring the second was trying my hardest to measure and the third was not measuring and just kinda painting, while the 3rd looks the most polished I spent the longest on the 2nd by miles."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511017 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:43:45")

Try using Col-Erase pencils in a sketchbook that has toothier paper."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511025 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:49:24")

You are over thinking it
In art you go from big to small, thrombosis simple to complicated.
What does that mean anon? ,ay e you are trying to fucking construction without even know fucking basic perspective, plus not knowing how to draw what Shou see, plus not knowing how to render a fucking ball of matte, plus not knowing the fucking planes of the face, plus no know anatomy.
Jesús how do you want to go to “draw mode” if you don’t merge your self because you don’t know all this?

You want to learn hard techniques withou know how to draw what you. See dam"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511027 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:51:57" && image=="IMG_20180709_214855.jpg")

Swear to god, I cant figure out Dynamic Sketching, and dynamic bible isnt helping like at all.
Please help :("

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511028 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:53:31")

you're at the stage you should be doing scott robertson's how to draw. slow down and take your time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511030 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)21:55:35")

Is that so
Anon where are your circles? Your lines and most important, where are your organic dissections?
I won’t lie to you I still don’t do organic dissections but I, aware that I’m gonna suck if I try something moooooooooooore COMOLICATE LIKE CAAAAAR, or a TRAIIIIIIIN

just saying."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511034 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)22:00:09" && image=="ArtWork Drawing Critique.png")

"I Tried to do a sketchy chicken scratch linework over my previous sketch to improve upon it I don't know, any criticism on the hands chest and legs or overall? they would be greatly appreciated.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511122 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)23:16:43")

"so is construction basically just drawing 3d looking shapes before actually drawing the image?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511125 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)23:19:57" && image=="god dammit.png")

"currently struggling with all things perceptive, but after going back to basic things, it feels like I've improved some. what are your guy's thoughts on this and if you have any advice please let me know.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511126 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)23:21:13" && image=="god dammit.png")

wait too big shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511152 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)23:43:29" && image=="20180705_165043.jpg")

"I tried the matching tones project in keys to drawing, but drew it myself instead of tracing. How terrible is it?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511214 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)00:51:39" && image=="2018-07-09 22.49.28.jpg")

haven't fully finished shading for now, (still took me 2 hours to shade this at least i felt it was forever). I've decided to abandon keys to drawing book for now and focus on drawing still objects and then continue with loomis"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511250 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)01:31:38")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511306 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)02:46:15")

Ok but do I seriously have to do those fucking blooks in Fun with a Pencil? I can't do them good and each time it feels like it's mocking me with its stupid fucking face"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511313 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)02:56:39" && image=="POSTABLES.jpg")

"I just keep working in one file and merging stuff I stop working on down into one layer.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511330 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)03:20:52")

"honestly really liked hatching and cross hatching shading method. is it a great shading method to go with through my practices or is it impractical to continue with this style?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511377 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)04:31:19" && image=="51DEQLmrgaL._SX373_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg")

"Are Loomis' other books besides Fun With a Pencil good for beginners, seems like they'd be pretty advanced judging by the covers.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511396 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)05:06:38" && image=="persontest.png")

practicing my anatomy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511493 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)07:33:45")

>In art you go from big to small, thrombosis simple to complicated.
Ignorant faggot, art are the ways, ideas, mind and nature of the autor/artist, not some fucking big/small drawing thing

Might as well stop calling music sheets as "sheets" and going for "music art", "I can't find the art of this song!", "oh this art tells me it's in Dm key""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511515 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)08:12:03" && image=="Illustration.png")

Currently working my way through Figure Drawing for All It's Worth. It's definitely challenging, but he goes through things step by step, so it's not too difficult to get through it.
If you haven't worked through Keys to Drawing yet, I'd definitely recommend doing that one first though."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511519 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)08:19:04" && image=="Charcoal.jpg")

"First attempt at drawing charcoal

Messed up the ref because I was more focused on rendering, which I seem to have a real problem with. Can anyone reccomend me some good tutorials or something on how to work with charcoal?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511557 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:13:40" && image=="Charcoal2.jpg")

Second attempt

Having a lot of trouble with getting the right values and keeping accuracy throughout the drawing. Feels like what semblance of accuracy I had in the undersketch gets completely lost while rendering.

Any help would be appreciated."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511584 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:43:58" && image=="El 10.07.18 rsz.png")

Really nice lineart
I don't know anything about painting but I think it's cool

I know my hands need some serious grinding, but apart from that what am I missing ?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511589 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:46:40")

you had a nice amount of improvement between these two attempts, keep going.

my personal advice for charcoal is to not be afraid of laying down a light layer of charcoal over the whole thing, and using an eraser to pick out the lightest values. most of the stuff you learn with charcoal you learn from experimenting with it, honestly."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511601 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:52:57")

I can't make heads or tails of what's going on with her torso, so there's that. Study more legs as well."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511603 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:55:11")

Will do, thanks."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511612 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:10:23")

her legs are wonky, the contour lines of the knee and the form of her leg are not in sync, look at a few refs for knees/shins and give the legs another go"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511613 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:11:25")

also her heel looks weird. Overall I like it though, just keep practicing!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511618 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:14:57")

You know even if you didn't end up getting it down I really admired your dedication with this one."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511620 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:15:12")

Much clearer for me now. Thank you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511706 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)11:25:51")

So i'm reading Fun With a Pencil and I'm kinda struggling when it comes to the ball and plane/ head construction. I'm not sure if the angle of the head is right or if everything is where it's supposed to be or if I'm fucking things up along the way.
I'm basically asking for other resources that go into head construction."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511741 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)11:43:48")

His other book Drawing the Head & Hands might help.
What exactly are you struggling with? The part where you lop off the sides?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511744 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)11:46:35")

Thanks for the tips man, definitely gonna keep experimenting!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511748 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)11:51:22")

Yeah but it's mostly a sense that things aren't where they are supposed to be. Like the measurements are all wrong. In the meantime I found a video that was somewhat helpful. I think it's just a matter of studying the shape of the head especially at various angels."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511794 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:34:12")

A problem a see here is that in the reference the background is dark while the objects are much much lighter, you should've darkened the background accordingly and used the charcoal way more sparingly in the objects themselves since they're so light."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3511811 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:51:23" && image=="izeRyRa.jpg")

i'm not very good and i;m still fixing it
but just making more precise measurements of the face improves the look a lot"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512004 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)15:41:10")

"Reading through Loomis fun with a pencil and its literally my first time drawing, its all going well up until the bit where the heads change from being circular to having the sides cut and an additional segment for the lower face is introduced

Anybody have any tips, for some reason it always ends up looking incredibly awkward"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512029 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)15:55:56")

Just wing it til you get it. Keep comparing your attempts to the source material and changing as needed.

I know it seems too complicated now, but trust me when I say that it will all be second nature eventually, and you will be able to draw even without construction shapes just by eyeballing."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512088 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:37:10" && image=="recentstuff.png")

"I like turtles";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512214 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:55:02" && image=="36880802_494042097702625_3840041950531026944_n.jpg")

made it way too big"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512220 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:58:52")

flip the canvas"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512221 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:59:01" && image=="pen-gwen.png")

"I drew a penguin.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512250 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:16:16" && image=="DSC_0010.jpg")

"Learning ink, what needs improvement";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512264 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:27:53" && image=="A7ACA793-065A-46A2-BB24-FBB34BD64301.jpg")

"Okay but how the fuck do I fix this? The left elbow is fucking with me and no matter what I do everytime I draw, my anatomy is fucked. I work with references almost 100% of the time and yet they still come out like this?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512273 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:30:39")

Homie you gotta work on the back of her head, it’s like she doesn’t have a brain in there."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512279 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:33:42" && image=="Asiatic_edited.jpg")

Modigliani fan?

You drew the lips better than I did. Great work guys, love seeing people take on the same reference."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512282 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:35:26")

Sure anon

Wherever you say. Stay stuck and nerves improve."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512285 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:37:46")

"Who wants to be my art buddy in discord ;D we can push ourselves to do better :V";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512291 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:41:36" && image=="NipplePasties.jpg")

"Are Nipple Pasties a cute?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512299 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:45:16")

I'm going to say yes."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512344 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)19:27:23")


thanks my dude"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512346 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)19:31:06")

">local store doesn't carry nitram charcoal
>store person says there's no point to sharpening vine charcoal, the tip would crumble right off
>try out medium compressed charcoal pencil, it doesn't sharpen like ebony pencils or even dollar store pencils do, takes forever to file off the wood with sandpaper, into the trash
>try out soft compressed charcoal stick, keeps breaking when I rub on sandpaper to sharpen, takes me three hours until I give up
>try out soft and hard peel off charcoal pencils, finally figure out that you can sharpen with a razor, got to sharpen the peel offs and the other stick I had with minimal effort
>try out medium vine charcoal sticks, it's scratchier (more hard) than everything else I've tried"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512365 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)19:51:17" && image=="IMG_20180710_195018_537.jpg")

"Ok last portrait before I try (and probably fail) at learning construction";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512369 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)19:52:17" && image=="1115-RAC-jonduenas-16_awxz46.jpg")

I tried drawing this dude sideways to see if it would help (it didn't)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512397 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:12:04" && image=="XXXO-Recovered.jpg")

"what i'm currently working on
seems like no one is critiquing and people are just posting their work here

i'd do some critiquing of my own but i feel that i am no where near good enough to properly critique someone else's work when i also suck
talking about a subject you know little about helps no one
some of these pictures are really nice doe
are all very nice

keep on working hard anons"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512401 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:13:29" && image=="XXXO-Recovered.jpg")

sorry forgot about the resizing thing
ignore that one...."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512408 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:15:38" && image=="XXXO-Recovered.jpg")

god dammit im retarded"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512421 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:21:06" && image=="1529608939224.jpg")

I recommend following this. Successful drawing talks a lot about basic shapes and applying light to create forms, which is something that is relevant to everything you draw."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512547 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:48:43")


I like this
But I think also draw sometimes from life is good, a cast drawing at least, is a shame I don’t have the right room or place to do it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512670 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:57:51")

"Anons, how do you know the lessons you are following (courses/videos/books/etc.) is legit and will for sure help you? I feel torn on the different approaches to gesture drawing for example and don't know what is the ''right'' way.

I want to do figure drawing and eventually character drawing so I'm starting here, but I need to know if I'm on the right path which is difficult since you know, improvement takes a long time and I could be wasting it as far as i know."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512671 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:57:53" && image=="SCAN0032.jpg")

"Oh boy, another 3 month period of not drawing and giving in to the temptation of vidya.

Truly I am pathetic. Well, time to start again. Posting my last work before I dissipated."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512705 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:23:18")

That snake looks like it has a coat of fur"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512718 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:33:27")

While there can be an apparent significant difference between approaches to gesture, the difference in "style" is just superficial, different road same destination.
say for example the difference between vilppu and proko, vilppu focuses more on fluidity and volumes while proko focuses more on simplicity and accuracy, both describe the gesture competently.
Try both, study both and then incorporate the things you can work with into your own approach.
Even if you decide that you prefer a different way, there's always something you can learn from one approach, that will not be as apparent in another approach."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512782 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:38:03" && image=="fuck me man.png")

"I need help. it feels like i'm incredibly inconsistent with my drawings, like I'll make something I'm really proud of and I'll try again tomorrow and its shit. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, am I just symbol drawing everything and getting lucky or something?
or maybe they're both shit who knows man"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512786 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:40:37")

>am I just symbol drawing everything and getting lucky
not thinking 3 dimensionally/just drawing something you've seen 1000 times without understanding why it looks the way it does. also that forehead is tiny my dude"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512791 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:49:03" && image=="fuck me man.png")

damn i was hoping that wasn't the case. now it feels like Ive wasted a shit ton of time. i'm thinking its my problems with perspective for sure, like cant even find the vanishing points or horizon line on this thing.
also fixed the forehead."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512793 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:51:55")

"i did another one. sorry /ic/ i promise ill do some studies soon before i burden you with more of these";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512794 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:52:34" && image=="simile.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512802 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)01:06:52")

good detail i like it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512883 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:17:44")

are you serious because /ic/ NEVER says they like my portraits"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512894 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:30:25")

"I have never laughed so hard before coming to this thread.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512908 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:51:28" && image=="pantoranjedi.png")

"I'm pretty confident in my own self-criticisms, but I could use some advice on how to proceed.

This is the first (excluding a few aimless sketches) drawing I've done in almost a year. I feel I've retained some skills and completely lost others. It's easy for me to see where I went wrong on this one so I can do it better next time, but in terms of more global practice, I'm not sure what I need to work on. Poses, color, certainly.

I guess my question is, is there anything about this that's just offensively bad, or would my best course of action be to just keep doing what I'm doing?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512914 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:03:53" && image=="manfaced.jpg")

"From imagination";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512915 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:06:33" && image=="Untitled.png")

"if anyone can help me in this area i'd be really grateful. i really want to know how to utilize my pen strokes more efficiently in sketches. i'm basically trying to balance accurate proportions and edges while also making use of weight to convey depth and light. right now i'm just kind of lost. sometimes i like a small detail of my drawing but the whole thing doesn't round out very nicely.
the biggest challenge i find is balancing the focus between smaller details and larger ones. not sure exactly how to describe what i'm asking, but how do i sketch gud"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512917 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:11:48")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512919 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:16:26" && image=="Dragon.png")

"from 2003";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3512921 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:17:22" && image=="Ds1.png")


also from 2003"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513011 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)05:13:16")

Hey you're not alone. I managed to go a whole 8 months without drawing."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513016 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)05:18:42")

Do this pose yourself, then ask yourself who holds a bat like that"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513018 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)05:19:30")

Now try it on a real face."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513048 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:15:59" && image=="Screen Shot 2018-07-11 at 6.14.59 AM.png")

"Can someone help me with these eyes hahahaha I can not make it look like they are looking in the same direction no matter what I do.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513049 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:18:05" && image=="Screen Shot 2018-07-11 at 6.17.44 AM.png")

you can really tell what I mean when you flip it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513054 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:22:57" && image=="Screen Shot 2018-07-11 at 6.22.17 AM.png")

try dis (I just moved the whole right eye)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513055 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:23:34")


maybe hes a mincing homosexual"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513056 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:24:02")

yeah this works. thanks"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513057 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:26:15")

Stop drawing from imagination and use a reference."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513166 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)08:20:53" && image=="ruins.png")

"finished this. theres just too many small details to push for it to be worth grinding out. critiques?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513209 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)09:25:13")

"Starting to lose track after a string of bad drawings and drawing less and less, now I'm not even sure how to start a picture anymore or where to lay the first lines.

I don't want to quit again, I was doing ok this time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513213 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)09:31:36")

While it is clear you put a lot effort into it, you should grind more before attempting to do another one, the perspective is very wrong. Also you were very lazy with the tree leaves, you should look at photos of real forests. Keep at it anon YGMI"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513288 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:28:26" && image=="Screen Shot 2018-07-11 at 15.26.55.png")

"Grinding Loomis/Proko head construction. Can I get crit on what I should focus on & where I'm going wrong? Attempts went from bottom left up to top right.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513289 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:29:56")

"i don't get forms
what can i do"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513304 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:42:04" && image=="1530396028508.png")

Quit as soon as possible"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513306 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:42:58")

it does look flat imo. but i want you to improve. keep working."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513310 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:47:18")

Whem drawing in perspective, your mouths and eyes lack 3dimensionality. Your eyesockets also don't go into the head and the noses don't have the same perspective as the rest of the head. The head in bottom center is actually quite decent."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513319 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:53:15")

Thanks anon, Just moving onto the eyes&nose vids atm. Will focus on those shapes."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513320 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:53:43")

You wanna buddy up? I think having a friend or someone to draw with might go a long way."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513520 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:35:23")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513606 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:16:35" && image=="i hate drawing figures in perspective.jpg")

pls help I read scott robertson and loomis's figure drawing"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513620 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:23:08")

try to draw it again without lifting the pencil up. only 1 line. and try to go over the same spot as few as possible"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513633 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:28:27")

Why? You're on the right track. Now add the muscles."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513668 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:45:22" && image=="received_2135481613360171.jpg")

"my art sometimes appeals to normies and theyll buy my paintings for 50$ a pop, i hate what i make but is there any appeal in this?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513686 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:50:46")

looks like you smeared my dog's doodoo on a road sign but normies like that shit so whatever make that coin"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3513782 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)15:03:54")

my dumbass can’t work perspective:((((("

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3514131 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:16:33")

youre talking about the trees in the back right? yeah i have no idea how to do that. what exactly is wrong with the perspective? it's not exactly how i imagined it but i like it the way it is."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3514495 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:52:23")

the problem is that you render too early
the middle one is obviously going to look wrong if you haven't figured out where one eye is and are too afraid to fuck with other eye because you spent too much time on it
get some accurate contours down first or you're going to stay stuck on the third drawing in terms of progress
you might think it's close enough but honestly ask yourself if you would fap to it and you'll see where you really are"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3514502 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:59:37")

1. check out draw 50 cars, trucks and motorcycles for the quick and easy shortcut to car drawing, it'll be fun
2. read through (I'm not saying do the exercises) drawabox to get a sense of what dynamic sketching's trying to teach you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3514756 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:46:38" && image=="idkwhatimdoinglol.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516260 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:11:52" && image=="Drawing example.gif")

Just wondering if i could get some suggestions on how i could improve?"