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public void Isartarealisticthingtopursue?(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "Is art a realistic thing to pursue?";
int postNumber = "3515884";
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String date = "07/12/18(Thu)21:12:33";
String comment = "I feel like going after art is such and unrealistic endevour because so many people are doing it and its extremely competitive, and if I'm not slaving 16 hours a day at it I'm never going to make enough money to support myself.

The worst part is I've seen people make it as an artist. It just wasn't me. I have a general idea of how they made it but I see a lot of it comes down to luck, timing, and the right connections, on top of immense effort. I don't think I have any of those things.

I enjoy art but I'm always thinking I could be doing something more productive. Like focusing on a "realistic" career like CS. I don't know if it's greedy but I want to make enough money where I don't have to worry about money 24/7 and afford the things I want. I don't think I can get there by doing just art. I'm not really good at anything else though. I feel like my life's fucked, anyone else?"

public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515892 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:19:55")

People don't draw to make money."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515896 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:23:45")

But you need money to live."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515913 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:34:27")

H O B B Y"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515917 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:38:13")

What do you do for work then, my guy?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515918 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:38:24")

>he isn't doing cs as main and art on the side"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515919 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:39:10")

then get a stem degree and work on a job related to your degree while drawing during your free time. you have seriously low chance of getting a decent salary in art related jobs.

t. 2nd year electric engineer who just started to learn to draw on his free time"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515922 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:40:51" && image=="U6ldPKJ.jpg")

>implying being a codemonkey is any better"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515923 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:40:56")

">going into art for money
Why don't you guys take one of thise wageslaves job if it's money you want"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515928 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:43:15")

I actually am pursuing CS at the university. I'm just not that good at it. A lot of other students are really into it and do it as a hobby, making games and shit. I just get assignments and do enough to get by, I don't know if its enough to build a resume to get a decent job. I kind of wish I enjoyed CS as much as I did art but whatever."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515929 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:43:35")

>wageslave jobs

jokes on you, im going for a PhD which will get into research thus high level job."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515941 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:50:25")

I'm not doing art for the money, I fundamentally enjoy art, but I equally enjoy not being in a financial crisis my whole life. That's the problem.

Art is my only skill I excel in. I'm not that great of a programmer, or really that into it, despite pursuing it as a degree. I don't think I'll enjoy a programming job but I need to make money somehow."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515962 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:10:55")

look. Its not that hard to "make it" and only those who don't understand the three rules of making it don't really get anywhere in the art world.

>rule 1: fanart up the ass gets you anywhere and should be used as a ladder to introduce your own things.

people who draw fanart can be separated into 2 categories when talking about this type of thing. The "i wanna draw what I like "
the " i wanna draw what people think they would like"
>SJW drama faggots

Shadman,ego,zonetan, ect ect are the first and made it and the second are the SJW that draw Captain America hourglass gayboy and black steven universe or other shit. you tell me who made it, explain why and keep your biases shit out. i don't care that you hate shad just explain why he made it and you and others here didn't then take that information and replicate it.

>rule 2. connections/free art

tumblr, Reddit, Twitter, ng,4chan and other places should be used to introduce your art and be expected to draw for people(free) in order to grow your popularity.

>but i don't wanna give free shit and waste my time.

Fuck off then since you won't make it any other way if you don't first introduce yourself into an environment and show people things they want to see. If I a stupid anon in a drawthread say "draw me a scene of Hitler fucking a loli jew" or " draw a this or that then you fucking do it so you get (you's) and people ask for your blog. You then give it to them and they spread it.

>rule 3 Never EVER stay in one spot too long.

Ego raptor used is fame to stop drawing and do shitty lets play
Zone tan makes porn and is somewhat rich(or at least fine)
Shad does porn and has so much fucking money
The old Newgrounds creators made patreon and get paid or made there own things like video games.

YOU have to do something and do it slowly but do it none the less. Help in-game art, make a game, teach others on youtube or anything as long as it helps you grow."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515979 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:22:28")

Shad, Zone, and Egoraptor all came in during peak Newgrounds era and benefitted majorly off of it. That time online has passed now and everyone on the internet is following their wake and doing porn and fanart now, it's hard to make yourself stand out from the rest on the internet these days.

That being said still sound advice."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515985 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:32:03")

Like I said, wageslaves jobs.
If you want money then just do one of those high paid job or whatever where you spend 55/hours a week.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3515989 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:35:55")

>patreon and commissions from popularity is the only way to make it


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516000 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:47:05")

then tell me wise guy. how the hell will you make money if not from patreon, working(commision or other stuff) or self-employed(commision or making games)
Yea i would admit its dead but Op can still make it if he does something that stands out on other places. people now want to see
artwork for people
artwork for games
furry porn if your desperate"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516026 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:08:21")

who draws concepts for video games, movies, tv series, amusement parks and more ?? illustrations? advertisements? hello are you autistic

a job in the industry is way more likely than living off patreon unless youre drawing really good porn and selling your soul. never going to be shadman tier. if youre lucky youll be incaseart tier.

easier to get a job in a studio and you get benefits"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516039 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:22:16")

>who draws concepts for video games
Are you dumb or do you not venture outside this bored. people on /v/ make video game making threads all the time and need artist. you can HELP THEM and make money or get a coder and make your own art and game.
>easier to get a job in a studio and you get benefits

you have no understanding of how to get a job in the industry and are talking out your ass. they don't take people base on drawings alone, but also experience. You can't just say "hey let me walk into a job, say Look at my art". they need to see you have experience and lets be fucking truthful here. Nobody here knows how to draw pic related or made a good cartoon since we are here talking about it and not at work making it.

what you think is best for OP would only ruin him since he wouldn't even fucking know how to start doing what you're telling him too and without a history of something to help show he can do something then he would fail even if he did find it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516041 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:24:28" && image=="b2a4e9d06b0f27ff785e90d2390f63bc.jpg")

forgot pic"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516046 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:27:28")

PEOPLE ON V MAKING VIDEO GAMES? im talking about actual studios actual developers that will pay you by the hour for your work.

and they take people based on portfolio not experience. someone with a better portfolio than someone "with experience" will get a job over that person
you are the one who has no idea what youre talking about
jesus christ"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516050 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:36:25")

So what indie games are not games or a thing to you now. Meatboy,Cuphead,Journey ,Undertale,Minecraft etc etc are all games that made millions and are made by random fucks. You need to start small to get big you fucking retard.

What is experience to an artist if not his artwork portfolio to show what he can do and his working and volunteer history with artwork to show it. your the only one who doesn't understand what experience really means to the art world.

But i bet you made it right?

your famous right?

you have money right?

your giving OP advice on what to do other than break down someone's attempt at actually helping to give your wisdom and how you made it right?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516052 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:38:51")


also i'm done. i came here to give OP advice not argue with the personification of retardation at entropy. I gave OP my 2 cent and he can take it or leave it for your shitty advice"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516054 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:40:24")

no I haven't made it nor am I famous and im not saying either of those things, I'm saying ive spoken to and speak to people in the industry on a regular basis. telling someone to strive to be a patreon artist is a way bigger scam than telling him to round out his portfolio and start submitting it to studios. wizards of the coast has a literal fuckin submission form!
take your fuckin medicine and stop sperging"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516056 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:41:26")

>im done
im glad you realized you are fucking wrong"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516058 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:45:09")

"I'm telling him to make a following and work his way up not starve to death on patreon and that alone. DID you not read >>3515962 rule 3. he need's experience not random post of his artwork on WOTC that may or may not win and why can't he do both. you're unbelievably fucking stupid";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516060 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:47:20")

dude. Do you even know how OP can draw or how hard it is to get a job in these company's. posting your work on a submission form doesn't mean shit when other artists could be 10x better then OP and still lose to that one artist who is 20x better then them and has a following."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516061 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:47:21")

first and foremost you need a good portfolio experience is second to that. "win" what does this mean like its something arbitrary. they choose people to do art for them based on their portfolio. which you get paid for. its not a contest its a job."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516065 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:52:22")

it's a job with many people doing the same thing you are doing. Again Op wants a stable job not something that is one time like a fucking submission and its very hard to get into things like cartoon network or other shit without something to back you up.
also OP isn't asking to work for konami but how he can make it and i gave it to him>>3515962 or are you saying that everything i wrote is wrong. that people didn't make it from this advice alone cause i have thousands of people who did and you all fucking hate them on /ic/"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516069 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:56:43")

you don't need a tumblr following to get a job at a studio
if you think the only studios that exist are konami and blizzard youre fucking retarded
I only brought up wizards of the coast because its an extremely streamlined example of getting a job that can pay upwards of 700 dollars for a piece.
people can "make it" by being patreon artists but its not realistic if you don't want to draw porn and its NOT sustainable"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516077 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:08:25")

>you don't need a tumblr following to get a job at a studio
No you need it to get a following of people that can help you in the future like it did for Esther Garcia López who got a FUCKING JOB because of her work online.

>if you think the only studios that exist are konami and blizzard youre fucking retarded
Your braindead if you thought this.

>I only brought up wizards of the coast because its an extremely streamlined example of getting a job that can pay upwards of 700 dollars for a piece.
So commission and not a fucking permanent job. what does he do after the 700$. what does he fall back to cause by your logic he should not gain have a gallery somewhere else. ALSo your implying OP has the skills or wants a job there.

>people can "make it" by being patreon artists but its not realistic if you don't want to draw porn and its NOT sustainable

what if OP starts drawing porn and what if he does something like ....o i don't know....rule 3 of my post again...........i'm repeating myself with you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516112 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:47:51")

CS is a meme. Get into software. Feel how good it is to make money first then rethink your decision."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516128 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:02:30")

All jobs are wageslave jobs you dimwit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516327 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:16:26")

"I want to become an artist because I want people to see my art, and have them think about it later.The money would be nice though";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516336 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:23:03")

No, you need food to live not money."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516339 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:26:40")

>this is what filthy peasants believe
1st worlders must be like Royalty."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516361 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:59:52")

It's very much possible, but only if you're smart about it.
Look at moderndayJames for example, he broke into the industry within a few months, with mediocre work, and it had nothing to do with luck. It's all about marketing, getting the right people to see the right kind of work. Making your target demographic as small and possible and then blasting that small target with everything you've got."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516374 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)05:11:58")

Tried it, don't recommend it.
Stem is possibly the worst thing you can do to supplement your art journey.
Drawing is a long term career. Stem is a long term career.
If you have two long term careers, you'll have nothing to support yourself with in the short term.
You can't halfass it. If your passion lies within drawing, you won't be a successful stem graduate.
Creativity gets a heavy blow in highschool, when you get a bunch of rules imposed on you, designed to keep you thinking inside the box.
Stem is nothing but analytical, precise sets of rules you need to follow to get anywhere. The creativity in you will die over time.
You rest by doing the things that you have little of in your life. If you strain your brain solving math and physics problems and then come home and "relax" by straining your brain on drawing, you'll burn out."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516379 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)05:14:06")

Not him, but I have a factory job.

Machining is pretty good in the US. And it lets you turn off your brain."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516382 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)05:17:10")

>Drawing is a long term career. Stem is a long term career.
>If you have two long term careers, you'll have nothing to support yourself with in the short term.
This. I think about this, but apparently people don't seem to understand this part?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516532 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:52:47")

>I'm not doing art for the money
Bullshit. You.'re doing art because you saw someone else making money off of art and so you decide that you're gonna do it too. You're a lying sack of shit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516691 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:39:50")

You're gonna get replaced."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516956 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:01:55")

The projection is hard with this one."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517063 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:10:16")

Just dont turn off your brain too much or else youll get grinded up in the machinery"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517471 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:14:42")

Gotta break it to OP. If you decide that the only way to make money in this world is by doing art you're never gonna make it. You say you enjoy doing art and you're not doing it for the money, but looking at all your replies the only thing you seem to care about is money. I kinda feel sorry for you OP. Your mind has been tainted by the success stories of artist that you know and admire to the point you no longer care about doing art itself. The fact that you made this thread is proof in itself that this is true.

Good luck OP and I hope that one day you will realise that your way of thinking is wrong. I will not reply to any replies. Goodbye."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517537 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:00:53")

Real talk: Full CNC is expensive as FUCK. And there are a ton of machinists ready to retire.

If you're a younger wageslave and know how to actually operate a machine, it's a steady gig. And one with a lot of demand."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517619 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:34:33")

This post is the epitome of /ic/s delusional nativity. It's almost embarrassing to read."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517662 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)00:07:50")

Caring about money doesn't mean money is the only thing you care about.

Everyone wants to be able to make a livable wage, and people have done it through art, why discourage those who are trying? The minute money is mentioned on /ic/ people say 'hurr not gonna mek it". What does "making it" mean then, dumbass? "The only way to make money is to not think about money." That's legitimately retarded advice in any other field.

I know you won't reply because your advice is shit. "Your mindset is wrong but I won't say what a correct mindset is because I don't know because I've never made it.""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517668 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)00:13:34")

>t. mental retardation"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517716 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:04:57")

So what is the correct mindset anon? Not that guy by the way."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517722 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:10:06")

I'm not the one claiming to a right one."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517727 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:12:44")

"even the people who 'made it'(jobs) are struggling poverty tier workers that have to supplement their income with teaching
wanting to get efamous at art is about as hopeful as getting efamous on twitch"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517733 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:15:42")

It seems much easier to get efamous at art than it is on Twitch. Chat is like /ic/ but a different kind of bad. At least social media likely isn't?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517769 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:47:19")

>1st worlders must be like Royalty
thats literally what it means you pathetic 3rd world retard"