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String date = "07/12/18(Thu)22:14:57";
String comment = "Sato Edition
previous (i think) thread >>3490219

Post your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others!

Please make sure your posted image is clear, downsized to around 1000 pixels wide, rotated to the correct orientation, and that any unused space is cropped.
If you want critique on a drawing from the previous thread, you can delete it there and repost in this one.

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516011 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:57:58" && image=="3.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516015 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:01:19")

">>3516011
eyes need some work done they are very tilted and one on right looks like its about to pop out.
also why the weird shading on the nose but nowhere else on the face? lots of other things wrong as well but those are very glaring."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516022 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:05:39" && image=="sexypepe.jpg")

"kek";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516023 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:06:24")

">>3516022
checked."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516031 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:13:33" && image=="1531421496334.jpg")

"Here are some simple gestures/poses of Tracer from Overwatch. I want to take this into the computer and do proper linework and color, but I want to know what you guys think of the gestures/poses I’ve laid out. Are they successful? Loose and lithe enough for the character of Tracer? I’m going for a kind of angular but curvy look, exaggerated too.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516033 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:16:54" && image=="01754E29-0698-41CE-9FD5-83FBF43E257B.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516038 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:21:58")

">>3516031
you are going to need to refine a whole lot from these before lineing them. but as gestures they work i suppose,
try to use less lines next time .
>>3516033
i like the rhino one."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516044 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:26:02" && image=="_1280.jpg")

">>3516038
Thanks"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516047 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:27:44" && image=="a501c797a1050df9f9737f6b356a99c3.png")

">>3515968
man how the fuck do you put all these little tiny things in a picture"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516049 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:28:44" && image=="jihyo1.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516053 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:40:16")

"has everyone evacuated to the traditional, alternative, and porn threads?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516055 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:40:30")

">>3516047
not really qualified to answer that because i'm more of a drawing person than a painting person. but my guess would be time.

>>3516049
very cute. i would need to see the ref but the shoulder looks kinda dislocated or something ."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516110 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:44:17" && image=="kamasi_w.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516111 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:46:15")

">>3516047
You use textured custom brushes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516116 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:51:45")

">>3516031
I really like these, but yeah, you might want to refine and flesh them out a little before you try inking."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516158 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:35:42" && image=="какая-то хуита2.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516161 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:37:34")

">>3516110
>>3516049
nice study
>>3516047
u'll get with experience and textucre brushes
just keep going dude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516213 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:25:43")

">>3512861
i think my body on this one is a bit long."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516215 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:26:30" && image=="IMG_20180713_0001.png")

">>3516213
forgot pic related."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516478 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:55:22" && image=="received_10155356119907477.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516649 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:04:25" && image=="do we.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516651 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:06:26")

">>3516158
dank
also, cyka blyat"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516663 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:12:14")

">>3516110
ye liked your shit on insta. glad you're getting away from bug eyed sloots."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516681 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:28:20")

">>3516651
its a sketch yopta"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516695 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:42:59" && image=="yopta.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516710 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:53:19" && image=="177392111.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516742 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:20:03")

">>3515968
previous thread is actually >>3502541"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516846 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:37:53" && image=="IMG_2322.jpg")

"trying to draw my gf for a suprise, anyone has any feedback?

dunno what im gonna do with the hair. never really painted hair before so idk if I should leave it or not."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516865 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:53:35")

">>3516846
the hair looks like clay not hair
if youre basing this on a photo you should probably put a wash over the backdrop that has the general value of the background of the photo

for normies this is fine though"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516908 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:23:48")

">>3516011
Clown nose"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516932 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:45:47" && image=="ddd01.png")

"Trying to get some feedback for the finishing touches. Posted on the wrong thread before.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3516944 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:51:35")

">>3516865
Tnx for the feedback anon, gonna try that wash and will try to add texture or something to the hair I guess:)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517059 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:09:25" && image=="3C0E6085-D823-4D8F-BD27-08A7CEDAF8C8.jpg")

">>3516846
>>3516865
>>3516944
Tried a handful of backgrounds but everything feels like its just distracting from the image"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517074 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:16:14")

">>3517059
There’s no way the background is that dark if the hair gets that white. It’s distracting because the values are incorrect"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517124 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:49:30" && image=="7DD0B05D-EE39-4995-9114-8815E753D19D.jpg")

">>3517074
Ur right about the highlights, I guess.
Kind of /beg/ still so idk how to make a background.

Pic related is ref, anyone got any tips?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517194 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:48:38" && image=="hkvk.png")

"help";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517213 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:02:19")

">>3517059
Just set the background to a 50% grey or thereabouts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517256 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:33:27" && image=="IMG_2342 4.jpg")

">>3517213
im gonna print it I think so I'm trying to make a compromise"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517286 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:58:01")

">>3516932
blog?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517310 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:21:05" && image=="sh.png")

">>3516110
Cool, really like the texture of the hair.
>>3517256
I think the vignette thingy works best. It's coming along nicely."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517322 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:27:05")

">>3517194
A few ways to improve this. Make the handle of the hammer much thicker, right now it looks like a toy in his hands and the ratio between the head/handle is way off, that would break with one swing.

fix the posture to make it look like there's effort in holding the hammer. it looks light for him when it probably shouldn't be. Do that by fixinf the position of his right arm (his right) and also by fixing the grips on the handle."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517331 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:29:44")

">>3517286
https://www.instagram.com/toniguerola/
https://twitter.com/TGuerolaArt
thanks for the interest anon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517526 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:54:13" && image=="Maayainsane6.jpg")

"Even using reference and having somewhat right values my portraits always end up looking flat :( . When i leave the brush strokes it looks unfinished, but if i polish too much looks like a wax sculpture. help.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517531 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:56:01")

">>3517526
Post reference"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517536 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:00:10" && image=="Maayainsaneref.jpg")

">>3517526
>>3517531

btw sorry about the huge image.
Here's the ref. It's some screenshots from a twitch stream."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517550 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:12:01" && image=="colors.png")

">>3517536
your values aren't right they get way too dark for the parts youre referencing. even then a low definition webcam ref with no distinct key light is harder to push 3 dimensionality. personally i would have used the picture in the middle to reference my colors because its much harder to fuck up warm colors on skin.

anyway another reason why you feel it looks flat is because of the darkness of your features like the mouth and the eyes when as you can see in the "pure value" black and white versions theyre much less contrasted and much lighter. value and color exist in relation to other values and colors. if you soften those things to be more accurate i think it will look much more pleasing"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517556 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:17:25")

">>3517550
Anon you're an angel <3
Thank you so much. I guess I got carried away with the color saturation and how dark my values were in a poor attempt to make the image better. I'll try to fix the colors on the mouth and overall features like you suggested."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517564 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:33:02" && image=="Maayainsane7.jpg")

">>3517550
>>3517526

Is it better? I'm still working on the eyes tho"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517569 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:35:14" && image=="ashuree.png")

"how are the proportions in this?
shes not meant to be hyper realistic, I mean the face is it presentable?
[spoiler]
Im aware the right iris+pupil are mismatched[/spoiler]"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517570 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:35:33")

">>3517564
i think this looks much better youre really bringing out a resemblance now"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517571 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:36:50")

">>3517564
this is much better
if you fix the edges on the border of the face I think you got yourself a very nice painting. One other minor thing is the hairline is too presented. Ohterwise very good job on the shading and colouring."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517611 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:22:52")

">>3517570
>>3517571

Thank you, You all have been very helpful !!
When you say fix the borders of the face you mean making it a hard edge?
I'll be sure to fix the hairline issue, it was there on the sketchy phase of the image and i had forgotten about it until you pointed out xD"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517623 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:36:26" && image=="fdsfds.jpg")

">>3517569
Even though it's not supposed to be realistic I think the eyes are a little too big. I mean they are almost touching, you should always keep in mind their distance. Even in anime, the rule is the same. Also, the hair looks a bit too much. Maybe you should also try a simpler style shading focusing on using mostly a hard brush, it would make your image more pleasing and fitting to the style you're pursuing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517643 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:55:30")

">>3517623

I can see what you mean and have adjusted accordingly but cant post it right now.
I get the shading feedback, and its honest, i just like it more this way
Thanks for the feedback!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517720 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:09:11" && image=="c7b608a7a37f4bb79f84dcaefe68358b.jpg")

">>3517569
>>3517643

No really , you should look into how you are shading right now i think if you have a clear idea in your head you can make it a better image. I meant something more like this"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517804 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)02:14:33" && image=="file.png")

">>3515968
a thumbnail I just did a few minutes ago, Got to make a fight between 2 characters, a swordman (Momiji) and a Giant Tengu on a forest
I had trouble with the composition, this is the only thumbnail I liked, I hop you can understand it enough to give me some advice on composition, lighting and whatever video/tip may come in handy.
I got trouble with The left character's legs and head
Also, I want to make this look more dynamic
Since it's just a sketch I don't think much can be said about it, but I really trust you guys"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517807 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)02:17:21" && image=="images (2).jpg")

">>3517804
where is the long tengu nose anon."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517813 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)02:21:30" && image=="file.png")

">>3517807
Wanted it to keep it relatively long for a human
And wider, like a duck or some old man
Pic related, but a bit flat and longer"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3517814 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)02:22:54")

">>3517807
But I will keep it in mind. After all, a long nose is a relevant trait of a Tengu"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518038 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)06:55:47")

">>3518002
nigger you have eyes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518088 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:54:08")

">>3517807
there are several types of tengu, not all of them have long noses mr know-it-all"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518091 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:56:12" && image=="they-are-watching.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518204 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:16:23" && image=="kot.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518205 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:17:14" && image=="skelly.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518276 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:08:43")

">>3516932
Nice, I like the lighting a lot. I'd maybe add a little more rendering to the face so it sticks out a little more (make it a little sharper)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518463 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)14:02:43" && image=="teaser.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518465 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)14:03:29" && image=="Teaser 2.png")

"concepts for a webcomic i wanna make";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518621 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)15:42:15" && image=="1530865770256.jpg")

"Anyone could please be so nice to make a tutorial about how to draw this girl step by step? I am a noob on this, and I am getting a lot problems drawing her head.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518649 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)15:59:19")

">>3518621
>draw the outlines
>draw the details

there"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518709 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)16:55:29")

">>3518088
Yeah, It's true, but he's got a point, when you think of Tengu, you think on a long nosed creature"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518740 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:10:40")

">>3518709
>when you think of Tengu, you think on a long nosed creature
When I think of long-nosed demons, Tengu aren't the first creatures I think of desu famalam"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518760 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:23:56")

">>3517804
Should I tilt the canvas a little bit to make it look more dynamic?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518765 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)17:26:27")

">>3518760
Yes, absolutely you should. Also, it needs more Loomis"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518836 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:08:32")

">>3518765
And a Triangle for a mouth, got it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3518847 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)18:16:14" && image=="img146.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519130 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)21:45:16" && image=="2018-05-25_0150.png")

"I cant do backgrounds";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519284 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:04:51" && image=="file.png")

">>3517804
Tried to improve it, fucked it up
Perspective doesn't fit, looks too masculine, trouble with drawing some hair into it
help?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519321 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)00:36:48" && image=="unknown.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519615 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)06:55:28" && image=="IMG_2359.jpg")

"dunno why, but it looks wierd.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519664 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:11:58")

">>3516846
pretty gf"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519668 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:18:55")

">>3516478
I always enjoy seeing your sketchbook."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519683 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:38:01" && image=="99231fb1ae2f4425214a20f6fef94abc.png")

"Is doing this useful?

I got told a while ago by someone when I posted my drawing here to use Drawabox. So I started, and... holy shit. I don't think I've had less fun drawing in my life. It really demotivated me because drawing is definitely something I want to get better at, but this made it seem like a chore, and I wasn't enjoying it.

I know I sound like a babby but if my drive to draw was once "hell yeah even if I'm shit let's do this" to "fucking hell I don't want to do this again" then I don't think it's a good exercise for me to do. I wanted to focus on drawing bodies and proportions first, and of course, for that I need to know my anatomy. I've taken to drawing over statues to identify the muscle groups and then trying to recreate them myself. My question is - is this USEFUL?

I don't want to fool myself into thinking I'm doing something productive when I'm actually not, you know? Will this actually help me improve my understanding of anatomy, or is it just a meaningless filler-exercise that doesn't actually do anything? I feel like it could help, but at the same time,"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519685 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:39:24")

">>3519683
Sigh. I'm an idiot.

At the same time, I just feel... stuck. Stuck in a rut and there are so many things to do but I honestly don't know where to fucking start. Drawabox really killed my drive. How can I get better without sacrificing the enjoyment I have for drawing? Is this even possible?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519690 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:47:38" && image=="raw.png")

">>3519664
tnx, ;)))"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519692 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)08:49:57" && image=="doggo.jpg")

"doggo";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519713 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:14:18" && image=="inhabitor.jpg")

">>3517310
This is lovely"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519736 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)09:38:28" && image=="christopherwalkenss.png")

"A recent study";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519751 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:06:43")

">>3519685
What's wrong with draw a box? Are the line exercise tedious? is every exercise tedious?

Keep in mind that you don't need to do all those exercises exactly as they appear.

There is a book, Dynamic bible by Peter Han. The book contains small exercises for drawing but the exercises are just warm ups, NOT lengthy sessions.

The reason I mentioned him is because Peter Han taught the draw a box guy. They use the same techniques.

The book should be on the book thread. If not, try searching the archives on Yuki.la

The entire point of draw a box is to start thinking in 3 dimensions when you draw THAT'S IT.

You need to draw from life and things you like, learn about design and how to best represent objects. You don't need to be laser point accurate, but you DO need to be convincing

Also no draw a box won't improve your anatomy and the anatomy section was taken down by the Uncomfortable because he said it wasn't good enough

The exercise teach you to draw with fluidity and confidence and how to break objects down into basic shapes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519780 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)10:41:16" && image=="wip.png")

"Can you help with the pose, please? Something doesn't look right";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519944 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:02:34" && image=="чпок чпок2.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519947 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:03:39")

">>3519692
what a nice dawg
im smiling right now looking at him (while im on a real deep depression)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3519973 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)13:17:17" && image=="20180715_102030[1].jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520197 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:08:38")

">>3516011
you're not even trying to hide that you guys are stalking me"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520199 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:10:12")

">>3516110
hey it's the fuckface that threatened me. Imagine how completely and utterly not scared I was.

I'm a big girl.

And I'll fucking cut you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520203 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:13:03" && image=="gayboy.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520205 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)16:13:50")

">>3520203
Who's the model?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520287 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)17:08:09")

">>3520203
<3

I like the lines a lot, they have great confidence in them. Not scratchy or unsure at all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520326 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)17:30:28" && image=="3value.jpg")

"Trying to see the abstract shapes. Doing this shit upside down is so much easier so I'm trying to do them right side up.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520348 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)17:46:22")

">>3519944
yo this top quality, i dont want to let work like this go unapprectiated man, great stuff"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520371 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:06:14")

">>3520287
that is because its traced"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520373 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:07:16")

">>3520203
casey tire"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520376 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:08:09" && image=="F0920DB3-655A-4CB3-814B-74BCD6CF2148.jpg")

"Spent a few evenings at work doing this on my ipad with procreate";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520416 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:37:25" && image=="Sin título-1 01.jpg")

"I don't even know why I keep doing this";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520435 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)18:58:53")

">>3520199
what?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520510 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:54:41")

">>3516932
You do commissions?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520513 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:56:21")

"Artfags and friends which is more reliable as a teaching guide Drawabox or Loomis?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520534 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)20:09:59")

">>3520416
would sexytouch one on the left, fwiw. Something is inconsistent about the right arm, the mass doesn't match up with the left. Not very noticeable though, and isn't a big grievance. Is it meant to not have the same sleeve or something?

ps. your lineweight is always so nice, man."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520830 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)01:22:18")

">>3520348
thx dude!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3520968 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)03:49:31")

">>3520371
stay jelly"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3521019 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)05:02:32")

">>3517564
Is this supposed to be realistic? You're drawing symbols"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3521028 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)05:20:52")

">>3518091
duuuude.... what the fuck?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3521086 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)06:33:11")

">>3519944
Blog?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3521088 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)06:34:51")

">>3521086
https://www.artstation.com/zhizafreniya
ill post this work later, i need to finish it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3521399 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)11:27:35" && image=="floating.jpg")

"Never dare to share anything, but here is my drawing, which I am doing now.
This is created on autodesk sketchbook. I don't have license for photoshop. Is there any others who using sketchbook?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3522243 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)23:07:09" && image=="1280.jpg")

">>3516161
>>3516663
>>3517310
Thanks, I really dig that portrait, At the risk of being nitpicky. I feel that her earring could use a stronger highlight


>>3520199
lel

>>3520376
I feel her hair is a bit too plain, her far iris seems a bit misplaced, try to match it to the perspective of the near one

I think I will start to lay down values on pic related,"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3522272 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)23:22:40" && image=="slop.png")

"sloppy 20 minute gesture study thing";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3522752 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)04:02:48")

">>3522243
You have a site?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3522932 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)06:05:45" && image=="tekken.png")

"Some tekken chars, will probably do more later.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523190 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)09:21:37" && image=="TR Concept5.png")

"I've come a long way, lol.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523208 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)09:31:47")

">>3522932
nice my dude
you actually managed to make jins weird bangs look nice"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523251 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)10:04:03")

">>3518204
BLINI
http://dankmaymays.com/vodka/kotblini/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523264 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)10:12:51")

">>3522932
Awww man, haven't seen you in a long while!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523414 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)12:24:52" && image=="panel'ka2.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523450 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)12:46:58")

">>3523414
Bad composition. Kept waiting for the rest of the image to load."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523466 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)12:57:54" && image=="panel'ka2 копия.png")

">>3523450
yeah,i noticed it
now i got something like this"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523469 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:00:03")

">>3523414
The composition on the left part of the drawing looks unpleasant but I can't tell why."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523471 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:01:00")

">>3523469
foreground tree silhouette is distracting"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523474 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:02:16")

">>3523471
maybe the tree is too heavy?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523477 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:03:27")

">>3523471
i fcking missclick"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523484 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:09:27")

">>3523466
Bcё eщё нe oчeнь. Paкeтa дoлжнa быть цeнтpoм кoмпoзиции, пo идee, нo глaз нe мoжeт нa нeй ocтaнoвитьcя и yeзжaeт нa дoм. Mнe кaжeтcя cтoит дoбaвить кoнтpacтa нa нeй, cдвинyть дoм cильнee впpaвo, чтoбы eгo цeнтp был нa тpeти, и мoжeт yбpaть дымoвoй cлeд cпpaвa, либo пpиглyшить eгo cильнee. Hy и дepeвo cлeвa кaк-тo paздpaжaeт, нo нe знaю чтo c ним мoжнo cдeлaть."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523525 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:33:33" && image=="panel'ka2.png")

">>3523484
?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523566 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:52:46" && image=="2018-07-17_20-50-44.png")

">>3523525
Moжeт вoт тaк eщё, бoльшe pитмoв, мeньшe мeлких кoнтpacтoв-дeтaлeк. Лyчшe выглядит?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523575 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:57:19")

">>3523566
щa пoпpoбyeм пoпpaвить"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523593 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:05:20" && image=="sketch.png")

"There's no /beg/ thread so I will post this here.
This is after 1 year of grinding /ic/ fundie memes like Loomis and Hampton.
I don't really like how it looks, there are obvious mistakes, but are there little things I can do to save the picture, like make the face cuter or something? I don't want to color/finish it if it's just going to look bad."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523611 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:22:14" && image=="Image 394.jpg")

">>3522752
Thanks. I post daily on firez-tbr.tumblr.com but I also have these other pages: >>3511931"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523620 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:26:48" && image=="1531850720020f.jpg")

">>3523593
Here are some little things that might save it to some extent. I'm not into anime so I can't help with the face. Btw, did you just traced a 3d model?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523627 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:35:31")

">>3523611
Neato.
[spoiler]What's your commission process if you don't mind me asking[/spoiler]"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523642 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:50:43")

">>3523620
Yeah guess the neck was pretty damn long. No, I didn't trace or use any 3d software. I basically copied 1:1 pictures of my own hands though. Aside from things like the neck being too long or that foot being too big, I like how the body turned out. I'm just not so good with complicated costumes... most of my practice so far involved nude and semi-nude. But I really wanted to draw her. I spent a while trying to invent a pose, and it took me a while to trace her from paper to digital and make changes. It would really suck to have to start over, so I don't wanna if this can still look nice if I make a few changes and also compensate with nice colors/rendering or something"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523646 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:53:14")

">>3523642
>It would really suck to have to start over
This is a bad attitude for an artist"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523651 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:57:27")

">>3523646
I agree, but at the same time it's like I'm basically working for free anyways, no one is really going to look at the picture but me, so for this particular one I don't want to feel like that time was a waste. Not saying I wouldn't start over though, I probably will anyways if I can't get this one how I like it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523656 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)15:00:34")

">>3523593
imo the face is already pretty cute. i thnk it would look better without the circles on her cheeks, but i know dark magician girl has marks on her cheeks so idk"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523661 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)15:04:50")

">>3523656
Yeah I kinda liked the face too, but then when I looked at the body a day later it felt like it was throwing off the rest of it. I'm about 90% it's because I can't imagine the way the costume parts would look in 3d, because there is no real-life thing to reference unless I buy some $100+ costume set online or something lol"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523706 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)15:23:42")

">>3523661
i'm a newb so idk what i'm talking about. i think her right armpit doesn't really have the creases/shading it should to indicate her upper arm and torso are separate features. i think her mouth is a little too hyper and would probs be cuter if it was smaller. but maybe it needs a row of teeth? i really dont know"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523900 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)17:17:05")

">>3523208
thanks, and yeah jin's bangs are the remnants of dark 3D times. now lars' hair is gonna be fun to do...

>>3523264
well hey, that's because I was doing electrics in tekken. I have 1 or 2 free months coming up where i'll try to make new stuff for an artstation account, so i'll be here a bit more maybe.

>>3523190
looks great a bit needlessly messy at places though."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523914 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)17:23:10")

">>3523900
>an artstation account
Can you link it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3523968 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)18:09:38" && image=="Image 395.jpg")

">>3523627
50% after approval of the 1st sketch and 50% after sending the preview of the final piece.

I will keep you posted weekly. I also give the PSD, PNG and Video Time lapse of the drawing phase.

Feel free to send me a message through any of my sites for more specific details.

Pic related is an relatively old piece I'm trying to save"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524055 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)18:50:00" && image=="sitty beg studies 2.png")

">>3515968
/Beg/ thread is as good as dead so I'm posting this here again, sorry if I'm being a bother but i would like some help with perspective and proportions.
i guess mileage and practice is a major part but anything else I should need to know?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524070 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)19:02:48")

">>3517813
Stupid dog, you made me look bad"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524079 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)19:11:26")

">>3516710
sweet mewtwo."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524080 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)19:12:28")

">>3516932
You'll def get work from Wizard's if u dont already."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524084 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)19:15:24")

">>3523190
wtf studies u do?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524096 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)19:24:38")

">>3524084

Lately I've been studying Shinichi Sakamoto. But this would be a mix of what I've learned from studying Hiroaki Samura and Boichi as well.

The main thing is cross-hatching and not being lazy and actually modifying the line weight while drawing instead of trying to do the whole piece with one brush size.

My goal is to redo an old comic featuring this character with this style."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524103 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)19:28:16")

">>3516932
I'm going to give you a cringey idea for self-promotion. I'm sorry in advance.

There's a weekly stream on the Geek and Sundry youtube and twitch channels called Critical Role. It's a group of voice actors who play DnD 5e to an audience of usually 30k+ live viewers on Thursday evenings NA time. They like to show fanart that was sent to them over twitter during their livestream's interludes/breaks.

If you did some cool fanart of the characters on the show, you could definitely get some attention and followers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524262 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)21:48:51")

">>3523914
well it"s completely empty, I"ll try to fill it with finished stuff, if I can."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524295 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)22:13:54" && image=="9CC7FDCF-0ED3-4F40-AC76-06302A937FAB.jpg")

">>3523968
Fuck I need to fix those proportions

>>3524055
Keep at it m8
For the far eye in the top right try to be more clear on how the upper eyelid wraps around the eyeball, in other words we should be able to see a small portion of its bottom plane."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524306 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)22:19:15" && image=="IMG_2371.jpg")

"Working on this painting for a gallery showing in 2 days. Please rate and advise. Need advice on reflection between water and paintbrush metal.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524348 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)23:00:05" && image=="street.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524355 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)23:05:29" && image=="aldro hibbard.jpg")

">>3524306
That water should have a cast light / (slight) color reflection onto the underside of the brush. (That amount of light is going to be severely limited by whatever is coming from the sky) - [seems as if your using incandescent bulbs in photographing this piece, judging from your whitest white] - {which you should replace with daylight bulbs, asap} The arm is passable. The waves, you should paint with a reference. I can tell they are waves, but they don't have the translucent quality of water. Your singular blue that you've used different values off comes off as flat. The clouds are my favorite part. You have a lot of work to do, but conceptually it's not terrible. If you're entire goal of the piece conceptually is to represent a paintbrush literally creating a wave, you better make it a nice fucking wave."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524374 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)23:34:21" && image=="robbiepoo.jpg")

"Putting in practice towards light and shadow, mainly value transitions";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524381 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)23:38:56" && image=="icicle.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524555 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)01:51:27")

">>3524306

Bottom part of the wave needs work, it's plain and needs more detail. The sky and arm are good."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524560 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)01:54:27")

">>3524381
what makes a girl do something so weird and hot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524593 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)02:14:02")

">>3524348

Values and colours look great. What's the focal point of the image supposed to be?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524624 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)02:28:49" && image=="resizearmcolo.png")

"I'm still getting used to a drawing tablet, it hasn't even been a year yet but I feel like I don't use it enough.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524658 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)02:50:12")

">>3524295
Thanks m80, its those little details that always get me. Will keep going 'til I die"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524676 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)03:03:22" && image=="IMG_0428.jpg")

"tried to draw a self portrait for the first time";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524677 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)03:03:41" && image=="0717182229-1.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524716 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)03:39:54" && image=="ph.jpg")

">>3515968
There'll be no time like this to post my 5 year old pyramid head drawing. I could try to do some Silent Hill 2 faces maybe~"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524897 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)07:14:51" && image=="sketches2.jpg")

"say something";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524910 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)07:26:14" && image=="newPHhead2.jpg")

">>3524716
op here
sato is a hard mofo to copy i try it every now and then. check out masahiro ito as well"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524914 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)07:29:13")

">>3524593
Don't know, I was just sort of sketching out something with a sense of scale.
Would it be a terrible thing not to have a focal point?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524918 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)07:31:21")

">>3524914
if there is a flow then no but usually there would be anyway usually the main subject which gets the most detail."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3524964 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)08:05:10")

">>3524898
yikes what ?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525053 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)08:56:24" && image=="lilly grid.jpg")

">>3515968
if the goal is proportional replication, why shouldn't you just do grid technique?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525057 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)08:58:40" && image=="does he tho grid.jpg")

">>3525053
and if you were doing a series that started with graphite tranfer tracing, then grid technique, what would you say the next stage should be?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525058 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)08:59:39")

">>3525053
look at all that chicken scratching, thats why"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525062 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:01:54" && image=="does he though.jpg")

">>3525057
and does it really matter if you're just putting shit on a canvas as a guide to use for acrylic paint?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525067 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:04:56" && image=="red lawrence squekquel.jpg")

">>3525058
but my frustration is that I'll put in hours on the drawing on canvas and then it immediately gets covered in gesso and base layers and all that effort didn't really matter. If it can be done more efficiently from the perspective that relative time is the only thing that matters, why shouldn't you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525070 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:06:21")

">>3525053
How did you mess up the hands so bad even with a grid? Try adding diagonal lines to your grid that make X's in each box."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525077 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:11:44" && image=="Venus De Stracted.jpg")

">>3525070
>How did you mess up the hands so bad even with a grid?
No reference. The image I was looking at cut off before the hands. Figure I can either dial them in later, or it can just be a spiritual squekquel to pic related where I just lost interest with the details"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525078 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:13:12" && image=="lilly shrug.jpg")

">>3525070
like you can see the form, it's just a matter of time of dialing it in"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525089 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:21:20" && image=="vikander rly face.jpg")

"like when I am supposed to feel satisfied?

I can spend hours and use deliberate lines and really make the effort to hand draw without a grid, but for what?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525091 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:22:36" && image=="vikander rly 2.jpg")

">>3525089
in the end it's just another acrylic painting that looks just like the fucking grids and just like the fucking tracings."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525093 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:24:34")

">>3525067
>I'll put in hours on the drawing on canvas and then it immediately gets covered
If you actually practiced instead of relying on tracing and using grids, the drawing would take you about 10 - 15 mins. you also dont need to spend so much time on your drawing, because like you said its going to be covered with paint, you can add all the details later.
theres nothing wrong with using grids to help you speed up the process, but you cant use them as replacement to knowing how to draw. Plenty of artists use grids to speed up the process and to get the exact likeness of the model, but they already know how to draw.


>>3525089
are you drawing or painting? you don't need so much detail, you add it with the paint."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525094 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:24:52" && image=="jlaw whatsoever thy hand findeth to do.jpg")

"time is entropy";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525101 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:38:27" && image=="confirmed for artism(3).jpg")

">>3525093
>If you actually practiced instead of relying on tracing and using grids, the drawing would take you about 10 - 15 mins
I mean it depends on what you're doing imo. A lot of what I focus on is the framing, and I'm drawing onto the canvas. Like, yeah, I could MAYBE be able to shave off time in the long run if I focused my efforts on being able to perfectly eyeball a drawing on a 12x16 or bigger or whatever, but for what porpoise really?
>theres nothing wrong with using grids to help you speed up the process, but you cant use them as replacement to knowing how to draw.
I agree. But my issue with A LOT of the mindset among the dingdongs on this board is that Hand Drawing is like THE ONLY thing anyone focuses on being able to do. And if you're not making art that highlights your ability to Hand Draw you eat an endless amount of shit.

To me there's a narcissism to this kind of obsessive focus on ONLY the fundamentals. As far as normies are concerned, it's all doodles. Whether a person is capable of realistically hand drawing versus whether they just graphite transfer means NOTHING to potential consumers afaick tbphwyf.

like, yes knowing the fundamentals of drawing is important, but so is knowing how the fundamentals can be subverted. Every working painter I've talked to uses grids, projection, or graphite transfer FIRST. They hand draw if they have creative wiggle room or can fuck around a bit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525106 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:44:54" && image=="hila wineface.jpg")

">>3525093
>are you drawing or painting?
It's a series of acrylic paintings over a span of years as I race Van Gogh to complete more paintings in less time and survive more gunshots to the chest.

But part of the series is that there's an evolution of techniques based largely on criticism I've received on /ic/. Basically when I used graphite transfer I ate shit for tracing, then I started doing grids and I ate shit for cheating, then I did a few hand drawings like >>3525089 and >>3525094 and a few others during the last few threads and I was called pretentious or whatever."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525108 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)09:46:16" && image=="hila wineface2.jpg")

">>3525106
I >don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me. Years ago we had the church. That was only a way of saying - we had each other. The Knights of Columbus were real head-breakers; true guineas. They took over their piece of the city. Twenty years after an Irishman couldn't get a fucking job, we had the presidency. May he rest in peace. That's what the niggers don't realize. If I got one thing against the black chappies, it's this - no one gives it to you. You have to take it.
>When you decide to be something, you can be it. That's what they don't tell you in the church. When I was your age they would say we can become cops, or criminals. Today, what I'm saying to you is this: when you're facing a loaded gun, what's the difference?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525139 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)10:22:15")

">>3525106
You ate shit for being shit, all you're doing is mass producing shit, and your legacy because of that will be shit. I just hope you enjoy shit, because shit is all you'll get."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525226 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)11:46:02")

">>3525078
The hands still look horrible to be honest. Although, I like the rough brushwork you use and your faces look pretty good. I agree with what others have said that you are just reproducing shit, it severely lacks creativity; this is the biggest issue with overrealiance on gridding. It's cool as a hobbyist, but not if you ever want to make it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525245 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)11:59:53" && image=="hgsdfgsfg.jpg")

"Picked up a tablet recently and I'm learning how to paint after years of drawing with pens. Any tips?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525249 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)12:01:53")

">>3525245
yeah your mouth is too low and your pussy mound is too wide"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525288 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)12:24:39" && image=="edit.jpg")

">>3525249
Thanks, I shifted the pose and tried to fix the leg while I was at it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525408 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)13:27:18")

">>3524381
>Charlotte
Fuck off"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525436 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)13:41:42")

">>3525288
work on that pubic mound my guy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525446 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)13:45:46")

">>3525288
looks like shes wearing a diaper"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525467 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)13:59:27" && image=="me on the right.jpg")

">>3525139
>You ate shit for being shit
which is fine. you donothing nazi faggots don't produce anything of value to anyone at all and justify it by acting autistic about muh fundamentals.
>and your legacy because of that will be shit.
better than nothing friendo.
>I just hope you enjoy shit, because shit is all you'll get.
oh yeah I come here for the uppity self-important children throwing shit at me from their monkey cages. You're not worth anything other than spite kiddo :D"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525484 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:08:07")

">>3525288
eyes too far apart, diaper looking hips"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525493 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:14:10" && image=="chastain thumb.jpg")

">>3525226
>The hands still look horrible to be honest.
ah shucks well if it doesn't look perfect at the gesso stage what even is the point of anything!??!?!
>I agree with what others have said that you are just reproducing shit
ok so in this thread right now we have ipad drawings of robot sluts eating apples, animu sluts, videogame characters, amputee sluts, ipad figure drawings, etc. What the fuck are the goddamn standards here?
> it severely lacks creativity
ok yeah you're totally right. No part of my 1000 painting series in which I'm racing Van Gogh in total paintings by producing memeschlock solicited through anons on 4chan is totally lacking in creativity. There aren't ANY cyberpunk qt cartoons so I can appreciate why you would think it isn't creative.
>this is the biggest issue with overrealiance on gridding.
Yeah if you're a stupid piece of shit maybe.
> It's cool as a hobbyist, but not if you ever want to make it.
nobody cares about your faggot sketches. nobody will ever care about your ability to hand draw. And being able to hand draw doesn't make you creative. It makes you a boring, basic bitch.

If someone wants you to make them a quick painting, how many of you have ANY experience with that? How many of you haven't made a single painting and then act like uppity monkey cunts about le rulez of sketching? If you're older than like 20 and you're still obsessed with your ability to hand draw you should probably just kill yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525511 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:24:20")

">>3525493
i agree with ya and like your idea of silly expressions as portraits."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525519 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:28:23")

">>3525493
>If someone wants you to make them a quick painting, how many of you have ANY experience with that?
yep, but what if someone asks you to do a quick painting of them, not their photo, do you have any experience with that?
you are trash, you are no better than the digital kiddies that can't survive without tracing and Ctrl+Z"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525532 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:32:33")

">>3525493
>And being able to hand draw doesn't make you creative. It makes you a boring, basic bitch.
is that why you are spending your time tracing over and painting boring ass portraits?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525546 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:38:55")

">>3525532
and if drawing is so boring and basic, why do you even use grids to draw someone? to capture his likeness? why do you care about that? thats pretty boring, that's something a person that can draw would do, but without grids.
I know you are probably in the same autism spectrum as Illastrat, but atleast he doesnt trace shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525557 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:47:46" && image=="trash man.jpg")

">>3525519
>but what if someone asks you to do a quick painting of them, not their photo, do you have any experience with that?
yeah I have practical experience from years of going to art school and shit. And while being able to proportionally draw figures from life is important if you're a student, it doesn't necessarily need to be in practical life. It's like learning cursive.

But yeah more to your point, if someone asked me to draw them from life for this series, I'd tell them that's not the process for the series, because it isn't. If I had time with the subject I'd much rather spend that time taking pictures and being a weirdo about making them stretch their face muscles and stuff. I'm interested in catching expressions that happen spontaneously and can't really be held, and it's a series based around crowdsourcing ideas anonymously from the internet.
>you are trash
yeah you all say this like it's supposed to be offensive or something. You should see my workspace. Plus we live in an exceptionally trashy culture and there's never been a time when subversive schlocky paintings of memes and reaction faces where more in demand. Trash is funny and time is entropy etc.
>you are no better than the digital kiddies that can't survive without tracing and Ctrl+Z
and yet my work is weirdly much higher valued than theirs. weird how that works huh. What even is money tho?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525558 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:48:09" && image=="july18.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525568 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)14:56:38" && image=="stone thumb july 5, 2017 and 2018.jpg")

">>3525532
>is that why you are spending your time tracing over and painting boring ass portraits?
well it's actually an evolving process. The first 150 were mostly all graphite transfers, now I'm on the grid stage and I'm like 10 paintings away from 300, where I start shifting to a looser and more abstracted freehand mini-phase followed by a projection phase where I start goobing with pointillism and parallel line portraits and stuff.

And I'm always open to suggestions for meme portraits whose asses wouldn't be boring by your standards."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525581 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)15:01:58")

">>3525408
?? Who?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525608 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)15:19:04")

">>3525558
i know this dude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525609 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)15:19:28" && image=="roondecision.jpg")

">>3525546
>and if drawing is so boring and basic, why do you even use grids to draw someone?
I feel like you're trying really hard right now.
>to capture his likeness?
or her. and generally when you're doing an acrylic painting the "likeness" part doesn't come for many layers.
>why do you care about that? thats pretty boring
EXACTLY it is boring. It's like the scriptwriting process to me. There's plenty of different techniques by which a person can write a script, and they're all generally pretty goddamn boring.
>that's something a person that can draw would do, but without grids.
And my thing is that I like exact framing and proportions and junk. And I'm also producing paintings.
>I know you are probably in the same autism spectrum as Illastrat, but atleast he doesnt trace shit.
And he fucking should. His aesthetic suffers from his shitty cartoony drawing style. makes it look like some tryhard schizophrenic kid shit.

There is a fundamental desperate narcissism to kiddo cucks that are obsessed with trying to demonstrate how good they are eyeball drawing. Nobody cares! Being a "good artist" kind of stopped being about draftmanship with the invention of the fucking camera. If all you're bringing to the table is that you can draw good, you're one of tens of millions of people. Nobody cares about your doodles.

How many grid blow ups have you done? What is your experience with painting or printmaking or anything OTHER than basic bitch sketching? What value to create actual pieces that may be interesting to strangers do you bring to table? Most of the money launderers that actually buy art don't give a shit how it's made. It's like a magic trick or sausage or whatever."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525611 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)15:20:20")

">>3523593
>>3523620
Cute! Just finish it with the recommended changes and post it here, I'm interested in seeing what you consider "finished""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525641 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)15:43:34")

">>3525493
Nice strawmans. My point is you can only draw photos. You have no imagination. You sound ignorant making all these assumptions. FYI the hand in this painting also looks bad. No one cares about your autistic "racing Van Gogh." Get a grip. You're not a bad artist, but your technique is obectively limited. Stop acting like such a fag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525680 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:07:58" && image=="idont think about you at all 2.jpg")

">>3525641
>My point is you can only draw photos
Well yeah. That's kind of a fundamental aspect of the series. It's kind of entirely focused on following attempts at analog reproduction of digital memes and freeze frames of reactions and stuff.
>You have no imagination.
I'm producing a 3 hour experimental film that's buried in part 3 of a 10 part youtube how to paint series called "how to paint trump" that's tracking as I desperately avoid finishing any paintings for years while spiraling out and going insane for years under the pretense of trying to better understand Trump and what his hair means. I've been in production since January 2017, capturing timelapse footage of essentially everything I've worked on as well as progress pics and skits as my hair and beard have grown out and my workspaces have evolved and degraded while I cycled through different forms of drug and alcohol and self abuse through time and space. Plan is to then go back and shoot host on camera segments, starting with the end of episode 3 where I look like an lcd hobo in a bomb shelter, then episodes 4 through 7 with beard, then go back and slowly trim away beard for segments to be spliced into the stream of conscious timelapse stuff, then go back and shoot episodes 1 and 2 and the intro to 3 while clean shaven. As a goof. I'm also writing a book about the nature of the psychologically subversive active measures warfare being conducted against children by foreign antagonists as a result of the extensive amount of research I've done for the Trump project.
>You sound ignorant making all these assumptions.
you sound boring and gay.
>FYI the hand in this painting also looks bad.
yeah it's ok for now. still got a few years before it needs to be done.
>No one cares about your autistic "racing Van Gogh."
on the contrary I think it's been having a pretty interesting effect and can easily be marketed. People get excited at the idea of intentional dismemberment and death and stuff."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525690 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:11:50" && image=="red green.jpg")

">>3525641
>You're not a bad artist, but your technique is obectively limited.
yeah and the limitations and rules are what give it a novel aesthetic imho. Van Gogh drew thick guidelines and grids all over the canvas, which led to him having to use lots of paint to cover, which is what he's now famous for (other than the insanity and dismemberment, which is really all that matters)
> Stop acting like such a fag.
pfft said the sketchfag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525692 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:12:47")

"why is this fag shitting up the board with trash hes already posted before";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525701 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:20:24" && image=="confused screaming.jpg")

">>3525692
posting stuff that was recently drawn with grid technique.
>>3525106 and >>3525089 and >>3525493 are a few days old. >>3525078 and >>3525067 and >>3525062 and pic related were started yesterday.

Also, unironically kill yourself you sniveling piece of shit. Do your family a flavor."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525708 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:24:13")

">>3525558
use physical media"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525713 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:27:17")

">>3525692
he sort of avatarfags with his own paintings

he's a good guy

like a new chumbun or illastrat"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525724 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:33:08" && image=="I beat the shit out of some kids today.jpg")

">>3525713
>he's a good guy
pfft tell that to my dad haha"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525727 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:34:31")

">>3525713
I'm pretty sure he is illastrat"
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if(watchpaintdrytv !lmiigEOhOE && title=="" && postNumber==3525736 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:41:42" && image=="cotillarded.jpg")

">>3525727
he said I'm not outsider enough. Jokes on him I live in a bunker in desert."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525739 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:50:58")

">>3525736
go away, stop shitting up the thread. go away. holy shit why arent you stupid fucking bitch banned yet."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525740 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)16:56:55" && image=="eat the mems.jpg")

">>3525739
u seem upset :)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525744 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)17:02:03")

"i came here to look at art not read A FUCKING THESIS

this is not your blog and you dont have to write reams and reams about your mediocre art and argue for validation.

holy shit. im not going to ad hominem because your art is competent but for FUCKS SAKE"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525748 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)17:07:13")

">>3525744
just look at the art without reading the words then? i do that all the time in the gallery"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525749 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)17:07:30")

">>3525740
muddy mess"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3525862 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)18:00:05")

">>3525609
>How many grid blow ups have you done? What is your experience with painting or printmaking or anything OTHER than basic bitch sketching?
why do autists always make dumb assumptions? you are literally Illastrat 2.0
>What value to create actual pieces that may be interesting to strangers do you bring to table?
are you saying you art is interesting? your whole shtick depends on the creativity of the photographers, and I'm sure none of them will get any credit. You are just replicating someone else's work, just slap a filter on photoshop and print it, the outcome is the same.
>Most of the money launderers that actually buy art don't give a shit how it's made.
doesnt mean they will pick a napkin from the trash and sell it for 5 mil. Are you expecting anyone to spend big bucks on your art? Did you take any of the photos you are using as reference? Did you check if they are copyrighted?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526071 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:15:55")

"Why does this guy thinking making mediocre photocopy paintings is a major accomplishment if he makes a lot of them? It's about making GOOD art not just a lot of art, friend. FYI no one wants you to dump your portfolio in the draw thread. You're derailing and really shitting the place up with your bad attitude.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526077 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:18:13" && image=="kieracolourfinalflats.png")

"I want to draw more loosely but I can't get away from this tightly rendered style.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526081 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:19:31")

">>3526071
i think these people are beyond reason and commenting only prolongs a fruitless conversation, but people dont seem to want to stop feeding"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526100 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:28:07")

">>3526077
pretty neat, how do you think you could develop your tight style artistically?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526103 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:29:26")

">>3526077
i have the same problem, you could try drawing more instead of painting"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526122 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:38:33")

">>3526077
You gotta set a short time limit for yourself. So you are forced to take shortcuts in some rendering techniques, and hopefully you'll find some that come out pretty nice and then just keep using them even when you have all the time in the world."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526141 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)20:54:53" && image=="bad brush.jpg")

">>3525744
>i came here to look at art not read A FUCKING THESIS
tldr
>this is not your blog and you dont have to write reams and reams about your mediocre art and argue for validation.
yeah people generally don't HAVE to do anything.
>holy shit. im not going to ad hominem because your art is competent but for FUCKS SAKE
never met someone so offended by basic literacy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526163 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:08:26" && image=="cruise the void.jpg")

">>3525862
>why do autists always make dumb assumptions?
I was asking actual questions though. That's the opposite of making assumptions.
>you are literally Illastrat 2.0
he said i wasn't tho
>are you saying you art is interesting?
sure. normals are generally easily impressed.
>your whole shtick depends on the creativity of the photographers
I mean most of them are going to be sourced from a video, so it'd be videographers. but sure there's literally no difference between racking focus and portrait painting with acrylic.

And yeah basically all of it is unattributed copyright infringement.

>You are just replicating someone else's work, just slap a filter on photoshop and print it, the outcome is the same.
again you're highlighting the fun part like it's a negative.
>doesnt mean they will pick a napkin from the trash and sell it for 5 mil.
why not?
>Are you expecting anyone to spend big bucks on your art?
yeah totally.
>Did you take any of the photos you are using as reference?
nope. peasant painting period.
>Did you check if they are copyrighted?
Basically every single one of them is from a copyrighted source."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526181 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:23:48")

">>3526100
Good question, maybe by mixing tight and loose rendering and keeping within a certain colour palette. Not sure what else.

>>3526122
Yeah I need to find shortcuts that still look good but time limits ruin my desire to draw."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526185 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:29:47" && image=="do you want to get off.jpg")

">>3526071
>Why does this guy thinking making mediocre photocopy paintings is a major accomplishment if he makes a lot of them?
If you go jogging for hundred yards nobody gives a shit. If you go jogging across the country, people will give you money and attention. Is forward bipedal movement a major accomplishment?
>It's about making GOOD art not just a lot of art, friend.
jokes on you no it fucking isn't. Read a book poindexter.
>FYI no one wants you to dump your portfolio in the draw thread.
no one cares what you want snowflake. You mewling niggardly faggots act like toxic shitposting retards at me in my containment threads without ever once asking me if that's what I "want." kys you sniveling bag of human dog shit ;D.
>You're derailing and really shitting the place up with your bad attitude.
oh no! Stop drawing like a fucking 13 year old and telling yourself that makes you good at art production. You're crippling yourself constantly, and then I come along not giving a shit about the meaningless rules and that really bothers a lot of you kids that are too stupid and uppity to understand when it's better just to cheat.
>>3526081
I'm always well fed on /ic/."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526194 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:35:20")

">>3526077
what medium is this?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526209 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:47:01")

">>3526194
Photoshop"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526220 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:55:50" && image=="118. Cant cuck if never fuck.jpg")

">>3526209
>>3526077
if you want to "draw more loosely," have you considered NOT using photoshop?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526221 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)21:57:24" && image=="ThirdRound2.jpg")

">>3515968
I would pay someone for a good paint over of this.
I don't know if I'm doing anything right."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526227 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:05:03")

">>3526220
can you fuck off and die tradfag"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526229 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:06:05")

">>3526077
you need to get painterly brushes and zoom the fuck out"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526232 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:09:02")

">>3526220
Heaps of photoshop artists achieve a loose, painterly look"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526236 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:14:07" && image=="i love it.jpg")

">>3526227
>tradfag
I'm the one arguing that there's nothing wrong with using grids or canvas transfer. If you want a "looser" aesthetic using a computer program to "draw" that allows you to undo what you've done will probably always be too seductive. That's my experience at least.

And also fuck all you stupid niggers and your faggot rules. "Drawing" on fucking photoshop is somehow kosher but "drawing" on a canvas with grid guidelines somehow isn't.

You're a useless faggot and everything you do is stupid. Nobody will miss you when you kill yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526237 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:14:43")

">>3522243
I'd love to see this in a manga. Clean it up, I really like the minimal shadows and medium toned "paper"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526238 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:16:20")

">>3519683
Man, somehow you are still getting it wrong. In that case, I guess it would be useful. If you give me the picture un-lined, I'll show you where the seprationg really is. Honestly though some of this just seems really lazy, did you even try??"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526239 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:16:25" && image=="ear cuck under drawing.jpg")

">>3526230
>running doesnt require your brain
yes it does. Why aren't you constantly embarrassed by your fucking useless brain?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526242 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:18:35")

">>3526236
Get out of here, you are SHITTING up this thread with your crappy, unfinished irrelevant paintings. I don't have anything against traditionalism but quit fucking bumping every five seconds with your hideous crap. Go make a containment thread for yourself or traditional work."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526248 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:22:16")

">>3526236
I don't give a shit about grids but to say you cant make beautiful painterly loose works on photoshop is retarded go fuck yourself"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526257 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:30:02" && image=="spiderboy.png")

"Quick hour ant boy";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526262 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:38:49" && image=="face extinguisher.webm")

">>3526232
and just imagine had they put the effort into actually being able to "achieve" a loose, painterly look irl instead of digitally emulating it.
>Get out of here, you are SHITTING up this thread with your crappy, unfinished irrelevant paintings.
and you are bringing a lot to the table aren't ya kiddo.
> I don't have anything against traditionalism but quit fucking bumping every five seconds with your hideous crap
bump
> Go make a containment thread for yourself or traditional work.
NIGGER WHAT THE FUCK. How the fuck am I now a tradfag because I suggested that photoshop "drawing" probably isn't the ideal means towards achieving a "loose" aesthetic? And HOW THE FUCK am I the one that has to answer constantly for "replicating someone else's work" with acrylic on canvas, while you mother fuckers are basically goddamn tracing copyrighted images ON photoshop and asking how to make it look more like "traditional" art.

Seriously. Kill yourself anon. You're a contemptuous faggot and you deserve nothing from anyone.

>>3526248
>but to say you cant make beautiful painterly loose works on photoshop is retarded go fuck yourself
Oh now it's about making "beautiful painterly loose works?" You said "I want to DRAW more loosely" you uppity piece of shit. My suggestion is to try DRAWING LOOSELY, not rendering shit on fucking photoshop to look "painterly" like a goddamn autist.

And I use photoshop for every single piece I work on. I wasn't even intending to attack what you're doing, it's just you're doing what I think is a silly ass approach if you're trying to go for "loose and painterly" when you're using photoshop to make generic near realism "drawings" of boring faces.

I'm not asking this to be a dick: why not just try actually painting? What is the value to you in reproduction of a photograph on photoshop instead of analog? Like, do people respond well to your ability to use photoshop to make uncanny valley portraits of unexpressive faces?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526266 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:43:18")

">>3526262
I have no fucking clue what you're referring to, I'm just a bystander to your stupid argument. I haven't even been reading anything you're saying.

All I'm saying is that everytime you post you post some shitty painting that sucks and I'm sick of it. I don't give a shit what you're talking about but quit HOGGING THE DRAW THREAD


GO MAKE YOUR OWN"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526276 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:49:03")

">>3526262
>You said "I want to DRAW more loosely" you uppity piece of shit.

Calm down dude, the person you're responding to and the person who posted the drawing are different people.

> What is the value to you in reproduction of a photograph on photoshop instead of analog?

Because I'm still learning how to draw. Obviously reproducing photographs isn't my endgame. Also there's no way in hell that I using anything but digital, personal preference."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526280 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:51:35")

">>3526262
im not that guy who wants to paint on photoshop I just think youre a fucking loser"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526287 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)22:54:50")

">>3525053
>>3525057
>>3525062
>>3525067
>>3525077
>>3525078
>>3525091
>>3525101
>>3525106
>>3525108
>>3525467
>>3525557

RESIZE EVERY ONE OF THESE YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT
NO ONE WANTS TO SEE EVERY GRAIN OF YOUR SHIT ART"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526311 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:05:59" && image=="Clarke kek.jpg")

">>3526266
>All I'm saying is that everytime you post you post some shitty painting that sucks and I'm sick of it.
A: Nobody will ever care what you're sick of. Nobody will ever ask. You don't matter to anyone you boring entitled consumption snowflake.
B: Your ire is the fuel that lights my fire bb

>I haven't even been reading anything you're saying.
yeah that's perfect for me. You're a free whore.

>I don't give a shit what you're talking about but quit HOGGING THE DRAW THREAD
OR WHAT?! WE'LL HAVE TO START A NEW ONE?!?!?!?! WHO COULD EVEN DO THAT.

>GO MAKE YOUR OWN
I did. I was told by some other anon just like you in my last containment thread that whined that I shouldn't be making my own threads and I should just be posting in the draw threads.

You reap what you sow, anonymous.
>>3526276
>Calm down dude
calmer than you are dude.
>the person you're responding to and the person who posted the drawing are different people.
potato tomato.
>Because I'm still learning how to draw.
That's fine. I think my initial suggestion, that drawing irl is probably more important for learning technique than if you're doing it through photoshop, still applies.
>Also there's no way in hell that I using anything but digital, personal preference.
Sounds like a personal hang up to me. If being a "good artist" is about what YOU are capable of, and you're only capable when you have the aid of a computing machine and $700 software, what are you really worth?

Is there much actual demand for prints of photoshop "paintings?" That shit is so much easier than all this goddamn canvas prepping and physical paint mixing bullshit. Asking for a friend.
>>3526287
>RESIZE EVERY ONE OF THESE YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT
no u"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526313 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:06:04")

">>3526287
lol"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526325 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:13:08")

">>3526311
How about you not post everything single thing you create?
Stick to your "better" pieces."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526343 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:25:05")

">>3526311
painting is expensive every time you experiments that's money youre using. whereas digital you can experiment infinitely without spending a dime. i know this is a hard concept for you to understand because your mom buys all your art supplies"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526350 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:28:01" && image=="classic gag.jpg")

">>3526325
>How about you not post everything single thing you create?
I'm not. There's like 300 paintings. Most of the shit I've posted are things I've been working on this week/month.
>Stick to your "better" pieces.
Why? This is a fucking drawing thread on a critique board. I don't care about being validated by anonymous dipshit kids with their anime photoshop drawings. I post recent shit because every once in a while actual critique or commentary that I can use in the future slithers through all the buttblasted projection.
>>3526321
post ur work qt. also I get that for you, in the 9th grade or whatever, people may let you think that it's cool when that you can't read. Or maybe you justify why you can't read with all the hysterical text laughing. Either way your parents will be relieved when you're dead."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526386 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:52:07" && image=="cerseez nuts.jpg")

">>3526343
>painting is expensive every time you experiments that's money youre using.
You can get 12 packs of 11x14 panel for cheap as fuck. You can paint on cardboard. You can get acrylic paints for like dollar a bottle sets. All purpose 25 brush set on amazon for $8.
>whereas digital you can experiment infinitely without spending a dime
How much is your computer? Are you renting photoshop or did you pirate it?

Also, time is money. Time is the only currency that actually matters. And you're potentially wasting it trying to learn only how to draw with every crutch available to you. Neurologically/psychologically,
a lot of what "learning" is, is an extension of traumatic stress and conditioned response. You learn how to stop fucking up by fucking up and being forced to live with the consequences of your mistake. The problem with computer-assisted learning as a means towards encoding improvement is that you can just edit+undo every fuck up immediately. There's no wabi sabi to what you're doing.

>i know this is a hard concept for you to understand because your mom buys all your art supplies
Actually I'm using dividends from a bunch of mutual funds and IRAs to cover the mortgage on my house, and my meme painting LLC is funded through money I made investing early in bitcoin."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526396 && dateTime=="07/18/18(Wed)23:57:19")

">>3526386
>investing in bitcoin
now I know your mom buys your paints for you"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526405 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:01:02")

">>3526386
> Also, time is money. Time is the only currency that actually matters.

That's why I use digital. Easier to undo than erase or wait until the paint is dry to paint over."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526407 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:01:58" && image=="lawrence pout.jpg")

">>3526355
dude you don't know how to read. I'm doing a 1000 painting series where I'm racing Van Gogh, who famously used grid technique. Also, this is literally the entire reason I'm here arguing. Are you fucking retarded?

Most of the first 150 were graphite transfers. Most of the next 150, which I'm working on, are grids. It's one thing when I get some hysterical anonymous tween HAHAHAHing at me about how special they think they are in a random thread, but like, I'm SOLELY here to talk about using grid technique since >>3525053 .

You're late to the party, because you can't read. Nobody will ever be impressed by how much you need to stress that you aren't a kid. That's what kids do. Post your best 20x24 hand drawing. Here's mine."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526414 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:08:35" && image=="if you get the opportunity you should kill yourself.jpg")

">>3526396
>talking shit about having invested in Bitcoin in 2012
you're going to miss everything cool in life and you'll always be frustrated by your own inability to understand how much of a useless faggot you allow yourself to be.
>>3526393
>>3526411
post your work little one."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526424 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:16:22" && image=="im a nice boy.jpg")

">>3526405
> Easier to undo than erase or wait until the paint is dry to paint over.
Except what are you actually learning to do that a computer isn't already doing way better? And what are you creating that has potential value? And what's your goal? What are you working towards?

Like if you're trying to get into some kind of technical industrial grind work I guess but it still seems fucking stupid and ultimately self-defeating to me to ONLY learn through a computer. You're learning how to use a program WAY more than you're learning how to make interesting art. I guarantee that people that are good at making photoshop art look like an actual painting ALSO know how to make an actual painting."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526426 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:17:40" && image=="never forget .jpg")

">>3526420
post ur werk gurl"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526438 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:35:16" && image=="Red Green.jpg")

">>3526434
well A: I'm almost certainly better than you in most ways.
B: The entire series is about charting an evolving process where the point is that regardless of raw or developed skill, pretty much anyone can do this shit. It's all make believe and magic designed to trick stupid people like you. Everything you care about is silly and you were trained wrong on purpose.
C: Post your work qt"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526444 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:43:12" && image=="100. Roger Blackface.jpg")

">>3526439
>dude go learn to draw
I mean that's literally what I'm doing.
>and stop posting AHAHAHAH for real its fucking pathetic AHAHH
I feel like you have a lot of issues with projection. Are you 14? 13? What are we dealing with here.

Like you make me embarrassed for you and you're anonymous. Who hurt you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526446 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:45:51" && image=="93. Rooney Has Special Powers.jpg")

">>3526445
hey it's only 25 more images before bump right. My body is ready if you are qt. Post literally anything you've ever done in your lyfe."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526454 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)00:58:05" && image=="61. Eastern Promise.jpg")

"pfft what a tease

If you've never done a grid painting, do one. If you've never done a graphite transfer painting, do one. You're not special because all you do is know how to fucking sketch. That's every edgy 13 year old everywhere.

hellogoodbye"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526753 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)06:21:08")

"comes to a /draw/ thread and doesnt even know how to draw. Yikes!
go back to /beg/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526760 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)06:35:26" && image=="fix_this_somebody_pls.jpg")

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526817 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)07:22:05" && image=="thiccy.png")

"Still a WIP, but any advice/critique would be appreciated. Especially regarding anatomical flaws.
(no ref used btw)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526827 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)07:33:58")

">>3526817
arm is too long. looks like it reaches her knee when straight"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526828 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)07:35:04")

">>3516033
>>3516044
Do you go straight to these lines or do you erase construction/gesture lines?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526906 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)08:43:30" && image=="thiccy.png")

">>3526827
measured it a bit and it seems about the right length? (might still be wrong tho)
Maybe it is a bit too long as the wrist extends to just a bit under the crotch, but definitely doesn't reach the knees."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526907 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)08:44:34")

">>3526906
*blue part is the length I might need to cut in order to get a more realistic arm length (still unsure tho)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526910 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)08:46:11")

">>3526753
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526946 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)09:18:43" && image=="jlaw 2018 and 2017.jpg")

">>3525067
art is gay"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3526969 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)09:28:55")

">>3526906
why does the redline start from up there? thats not where the shoulder is when the arm is in a neutral position.
also dont forget the foreshortening on the forearm"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527271 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)12:38:58")

">>3520510
not yet, but no one seemed interested so far anyway. I definitely would if people wanted though

>>3524080
i wish man, thanks for the kind words

>>3524103
didnt know about that one, thanks anon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527300 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)13:00:57")

"well boys looks like /ic/ is ruined. we cant even have draw threads anymore.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527313 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)13:13:41")

">>3527300
I blame the 3000 generals, there should be only Draw thread desu"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527398 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)14:05:19" && image=="face3.jpg")

"New to digital painting, could use some advice. I'm trying to learn for texture art. I want to achieve the painterly WoW style, but as you can see my blending looks pretty terrible. I'm using procreate and round brush.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527404 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)14:10:37")

">>3527398
what is the "painterly wow style" do you mean from like official art? because they don't use procreate and they use more than a round brush"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527420 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)14:23:38")

">>3527404
I mean from the textures they use in game. Obviously, if you're doing hand painted textures the whole point is to emphasize that painted aesthetic, otherwise you might as well go pbr and use all the fancy tech to mimic realism.

Procreate is a strange tool, I hear people say the brush system is totally different than photoshop, but not sure how. Maybe I need different brushes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527441 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)14:49:39" && image=="Screen Shot 2018-07-19 at 12.45.18 PM.png")

"i'm horribly out of practice and sloppy
pretty sure her eye is sitting at a weird angle but not sure what the right one is"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527442 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)14:50:14" && image=="024ade5770298b03eaea7d13e3d46902.jpg")

">>3526238
Fuck, man, I just don't know what to do. Feels like I can't get anything right. Every time I pick up a pen I just get reminded of how shit I am. Guess I'm not cut out for this at all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527450 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)14:59:17" && image=="Untitled-1.jpg")

"80s looking cyborg boy shooting at something. maybe the mean police.... i don't know";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527455 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:02:30")

">>3527441
why she don't have an eyelid"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527460 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:05:07")

">>3527450
Nice line art, very clean lines.

I think his left leg is a little short and you and I both know you could do that nose better, but good stuff."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527463 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:07:20")

">>3519683
Studying is a chore, if it was easy everyone would be good"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527466 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:08:59" && image=="Free Time 2.png")

">>3527463
But is it USEFUL studying. I've been doing it more for a while and this is the only abomination I've been able to do myself. I don't mind putting in hours, but if what I'm learning just doesn't help, I'm wasting my time, right? I just feel stuck."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527475 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:17:29")

">>3527466
Looks like you're studying anatomy before you are ready. Start with a simple skeleton, then add another layer with blocked shapes, then another layer with muscle, then detail, etc. Your lines are shaky and appear unpracticed, meaning you haven't put in the hours.

Try filling one piece of paper each day with circles and freehand straight lines, all coming from the shoulder/ elbow, not wrist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527478 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:19:11")

">>3527475
>Drawabox Lesson 1
Fuck, I thought I escaped that. Alright, I concede. I'll do it. My lines are shit, I know, and I guess it makes sense to improve them first. It's just so fucking BORING. But, if it were the most fun thing in the world, I guess we'd have more good artists. I'll do what you suggest. Thanks anon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527485 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:21:57")

">>3527478
your lines are fine you just dont know what to do with them. try making thicker lines only for the outline of objects. the inside ones should be thinner."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527486 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:22:21")

">>3527460

yeah, i didn't put too much thought in some aspects like the nose. It is serviceable and it projects the perspective i wanted for the entire head."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527487 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:22:59")

">>3527478
Make a simple routine out of it. At my office, each morning when I'm having my coffee and getting ready for my day, I'll take out a lined notepad and freehand trace the lines, trying to make them as straight as possible. Then turn it sideways and try to make it into a grid.

Someday a colleague is going to see this notebook of grids and think I'm an absolute lunatic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527489 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:26:56" && image=="gif.gif")

"Do you guys like this with or without the strong highlights on the figures?

Attached a GIF comparison of the two."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527490 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:28:06")

">>3527489
With."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527491 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:28:08" && image=="Free Time 3.png")

">>3527485
I'll try and improve my linework too. It just feels like doing homework for a subject you hate. I'm not really sure how brushes work in photoshop so I just use the default one. I wanted to get better at art before I even thought of that stuff.

>>3527487
I'll try this too, thanks anon. It'll take me a while to get better but I'm hopeful. Sometimes I know what I want to do and I can't do it and it just makes me feel even worse than if I'd not tried at all. I'll get there eventually.

>>3527489
With, in my opinion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527502 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:37:10")

">>3527442
As long as you're motivated to learn and put in the hours, you'll get better eventually. Don't just sit there and do whatever "assignment" someone tells you to do. Go out there, look for artists you think are good at what they do, and learn from how they do it. If one doesn't work for you, hop onto the next. It's all a learning process."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527524 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)15:52:12")

">>3527490
>>3527491
Thanks for the input! I think I'll be going with the highlights as well."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527580 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)16:33:02")

">>3519683
>Is doing this useful?
No. You're drawing awful shapes that don't correspond to the muscles underneath. Richer, Goldfinger, Peck, Bammes, whatever references you can get for anatomy books. Get Scott Eaton Anatomy to learn the important surface muscles (his courses are not drawing courses but artistic anatomy) in video form. Practice practice practice. A little bit of knowledge will make your drawings go a long way. Figure books like Huston and Hampton also help which the drawing aspect so you can apply your advanced knowledge to the simpler constructions."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527737 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)18:19:38" && image=="Image.png")

"Any feedback on this picture I drew today?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==3527756 && dateTime=="07/19/18(Thu)18:39:00" && image=="faggoat.jpg")

"Any thoughts on this?";


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