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public void DailyJapaneseThreadDJT#1963(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1963";
int postNumber = "19405960";
String image = "1530498157020.png";
String date = "07/11/18(Wed)17:30:11";
String comment = "This is a Japanese language learning thread (ゼィーット) designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
Last thread: >>19393358"

public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19405978 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:32:53")

"better make that thread

read the real guide tho at"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19405981 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:34:22")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406001 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:36:42" && image=="1529459995965.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406004 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:38:03" && image=="DZHWbUKVwAENcHP.jpg")

"Time to do my reps";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406006 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:38:06" && image=="35880.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406009 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:38:40" && image=="dondon.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406023 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:41:23")

sentences generally have a single verb that is central to the sentence
subsentences are one way to introduce a verb that is not the central verb of the sentence
you can 行く or you can 行くと思う, go or think about going, in the first example 行く is the central verb, in the second example 思う is the central verb and 行くと is extra information relating to it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406029 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:42:24")

translate your post"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406032 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:43:01")

why are you suggesting that the site be replaced by another site that is asking in the corner for someone else to maintain it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406034 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:43:06")

"I can read H-scenes super fast but I crawl during normal conversations.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406040 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:43:46")

so what"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406047 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:44:34")

because it's maintainable
the site in the OP is not maintainable, it's bound to a premium neocities account"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406053 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:45:42")

"why do you need a guide to be maintained if it supposedly works";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406059 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:46:34" && image=="anon.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406067 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:48:20")

"there's tons of stuff in the guide that's outdated and broken, like the yomichan realtime import guide";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406074 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:49:17")

"are there people that save posts from the internet and go back to them a decade later and go man those were the good days and just really 思い出に浸る

that has nothing to do with nihongo"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406085 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:50:18")

"did you mean: 日本語";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406094 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:51:07")

"no i used romanji to help out the new learners who have only been doing flashcards for 6 months to a year";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406120 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:55:40")

"there's no reason to live, really, but at least i learned japanese huh";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406124 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:56:19")


友達の答え - 「あぁ、相談ね〜」"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406136 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:58:54")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406153 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:01:47")

How do I show my genuine appreciation for this joke without making it sound at all ironic?

I like your joke, anon."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406162 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:03:22")

"tell him youd like to eat natto together on 日曜日";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406164 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:03:58")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406170 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:04:39")

"How come whenever I download raws of novels it's almost always a zip with a bunch of image files? Do Japanese not believe in ereaders/digital distribution?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406174 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:05:00")

"who cares talk about nihongo";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406186 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:06:34")

four words: vertical text rendering bugs"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406187 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:06:59")



if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406196 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:07:54")

japan still can't code so images are more reliable than formatted text"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406203 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:08:56")

">been playing nothing but diablo 3 the past 3 days
>literally did 0 studying beside doing anki reps (new words = 0)
>just rush through reviews for a total of maybe 20 minutes.
I better fucking give up."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406212 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:10:24")

remember when multiple people told you to get over your addiction
you can give up japanese but it's going to wreck anything else left in your life if you don't get your shit together"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406243 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:15:02")

It's a 'to adverb'"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406260 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:17:54" && image=="839906df.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406267 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:19:07")

why would you play diablo 3"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406530 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:55:54")

Why would you learn the language to masturbate to degenerate shit?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406543 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:58:52")

Who the fuck learns a language to masturbate to shit? I didn't read any of the story before and I sure as hell wouldn't read it now that I can."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406569 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:05:17")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406575 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:06:02")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406705 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:29:24")

"Do I have this right? なんて = など or なんという depending on context and なんか = など or なにか?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406716 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:30:28")

But it feels way better when you bond with the girl before defiling her.."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406731 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:33:17")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406836 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:45:53")

bond in the source material, not in the set-up"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406891 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:53:26")

I was talking about vns. Doujins are softcore as fuck compared to them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406899 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:55:01")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406903 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:56:09")






if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406915 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:59:08")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406923 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:00:37")

It can be pronounced "souda ne""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406928 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:02:03")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406941 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:04:43")

I set my standards too high it seems."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19406948 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:06:07")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407065 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:34:12")

">585 reviews in 92 minutes todau
>only learned ~350 retard kanji in a month
I'd like to inform everyone that I'm never going to make it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407072 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:35:51")

You haven't even begun though."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407073 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:36:00")

What do you mean by "learned"? That determines whether or not you did a good job."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407079 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:36:33")

"the day you quit flashcards is the day you start making it";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407082 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:37:27")

the kanji, the stroke order, at least one of each on-yomi or kun-yomi, where applicable, example of kanji being used in a word and then sentence"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407086 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:38:13")

Why do all the most fluent ecelebs champion flashcards if flashcards are supposedly inefficient?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407093 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:40:12")

Don't worry Jamal is retarded. Most of us do use flashcards and think they're a fine tool to help you learn so long as you do other shit alongside it and don't spend too long on it instead of learning Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407097 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:40:21")

"Remember that natural retention rate for anki kanji is around 80%, that means you're forgetting 4 kanji every 20. This isn't a bad thing - its important to remember that its natural. Dont get discouraged! They will stick one day.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407099 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:40:53")

The most obvious numbers. You can't show off "I read a novel with ease", but you can show off "I have 30k cards in my anki deck""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407104 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:41:32" && image=="2018-07-04-145249_189x44_scrot.png")

lmao git gud"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407113 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:42:38")

you gotta put fluent in quotes or people might misunderstand your post"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407115 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:42:53" && image=="true retention.png")

Let me guess. IQ of 130?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407116 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:42:58")

Haven't started grammar yet, been trying to harness at least a bit of vocab first. By learned I mean looking at them and immediately recalling the J>E translation
I do not know how to write the kanji though, merely recall what it looks like and what kana compose it.
My biggest mistake in this first month was setting my new word limit to infinite which meant I wasn't really memorizing a lot since it was such a long time before seeing a word again. I dropped it down to 15 for now.
Yeah, I definitely can't give example sentences yet. I know I'm really early into this, I was so busy at work that I let my reviews pile up and just went through all of them today.
I put off learning stroke order for now, and I am not even sure when would be a good time to learn it with all the other basic things stacked in front of me. I worry that focusing on being able to write kanji is taking time away from more important fundamentals like preparing to read sentences."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407118 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:43:17")

>natural retention rate for anki kanji is around 80%
So does that mean you'll never achieve a full 100% mature deck? I've been struggling to get the last 24 cards mature in this core2k deck I'm doing and it's haard. I tried to do so for the RTK deck few months ago, but the number of mature cards lose keep increasing. It used to be <10 young cards, but now it's like 150."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407132 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:45:01" && image=="2018-07-12-034429_159x39_scrot.png")

Never done IQ tests."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407137 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:46:03")

I'm probably around 110 so I'm guessing yours is 130 if your true retention is that high. Kudos."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407147 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:48:38" && image=="Capture.jpg")

I'm attempting a 100% mature deck and it just won't ever"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407149 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:49:27")

I don't know how remembering the contents of flash cards is related to IQ, but thanks."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407151 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:49:56")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407153 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:50:17")

"if we're comparing dicks, mine is 7 cm erect";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407158 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:51:20")

are you sure your iq is above average if you think iq has anything to do with anki retention"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407160 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:51:55")

IQ is an indicator of g. g is a variable that represents statistical correlations between various cognitive abilities, including memory. The better you are at one cognitive ability the better you tend to be at other cognitive abilities. Take pride in your high IQ buddy. I wish I could have a retention that high."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407164 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:52:24")

>You can't show off "I read a novel with ease""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407168 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:52:58")

Good job proving his point"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407170 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:53:14" && image=="chicks.png")

He even pulls more chicks than any of you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407174 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:54:14")

"his only good aj*tt-related video is the one where he says it's not "too hard", and if you can't put in a similar amount of effort to aj*att, you can't learn japanese";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407177 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:54:27")

hahaha, jokes on you, i have already accepted the fact that 99% of males in this world pulls more chicks than me.

it no longer hurts"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407185 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:55:36")

"You are not your flashcards, you’re not how many flashcards you have in your idiot deck. You are not the manga you read. You’re not the contents of your anime list. You are not your fucking flashcards. You are all singing, all dancing crap of the djt.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407189 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:56:38")

"after you listen to tyler kim try listening to tyler durden";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407190 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:57:04")

"You are the bone of your flashcards";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407194 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:57:49")

he admitted rehearsing before that video and he still fucked it up
truly our guy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407196 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:58:11")

Believe in the fate/stay night references who believes in you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407197 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:58:29")

that vid is so fuckin embarassing for anyone who knows anything to watch"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407201 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:58:52")

Didn't stop him from showing off and impressing a bunch of shit eating redditors."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407202 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:58:56")

yea you shouldn't rehearse your pitch accent if you're studying pitch accent and releasing a video demonstrating your ability to do pitch accent"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407208 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:59:43")

"it doesnt matter if he rehearses or not its fake and hes posing period

dancing like the muppet he is so little noobs throw dollar bills up on the stage"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407210 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:59:58")

What's sad is that people will continue to make empty criticisms toward his production even though nobody here is better."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407220 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:01:10")

"bunch of people trying so hard to make a show out of the fact that they're not impressed";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407224 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:02:02")

"i just wanna get his dick outta the mouths of the people who post him every day

and of course replace it with mine"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407229 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:02:45")


have a nice day"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407231 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:02:52")

"nothing brings the heated (You)s like insulting nippongojesus or his commandments";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407234 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:03:14")

">i just wanna get his dick outta the mouths of the people who post him every day
But nobody thinks you're anywhere near his level so nobody is convinced."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407237 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:03:44")

"theres that biter";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407244 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:04:32")

">People still haven't learned to ignore Jamal";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407252 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:05:31")

">people still can't tell jamal apart from the lowercase boys";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407253 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:05:35")

Manga isn't reading though."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407255 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:05:44")

Fool's errand. Gets enough attention that he'll never stop."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407257 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:06:03")

"okay first of all i dunno who Jamal is

I've had enough of learning like 20 new things veryday"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407261 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:06:10")

only for you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407265 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:06:23")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407266 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:06:36")

You're all retards so you might as well be the same person."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407267 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:06:48")

"That's nice and all but did you have fun using Japanese today";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407276 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:07:45")

its hard to take a sub100 iq poster seriously when he says things like that"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407281 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:08:44")

I'm beginning to think the difficulty of learning Japanese is slowly overcoming the fun I've got from reading Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407289 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:09:51")

this post is ambiguous"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407296 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:11:40")

"maybe just learn enough nihongo to have fun and not literally kill yourself trying to become the greatest nihongologist to ever live

nihonjims are more weirded out by those types than the walking while talking on the cell phone (bluetooth hands free) and eating a burger while walking the streets of tokyo making a vlog gaijins"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407302 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:13:03")

"but eveyr time I come across a word I don't know or a grammar I don't understand my fun completely evaporates and I have to open up Zkanji and get my fingers ready to type の意味 into google";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407303 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:13:18")

What if the stuff i wanna enjoy also requires me to be very good at it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407309 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:14:44")

then i hope youre putting yourself in a position to succeed and not just banging your head against the wall"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407310 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:15:32")

That's why you read VNs with a texthooker until you rarely have to use a dictionary."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407361 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:24:06")

texthookers doesn't help much with grammar I'm not familiar with"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407376 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:26:33")

And me. And everyone else in the world even if they don't think so."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407382 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:28:11")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407387 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:29:14")

mangas reading dude just deal with it and dont be a sore loser"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407414 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:34:36" && image=="Capture.jpg")

I did not realize for the number 1 definition, Daijirin said it had to include actually making a voice. I've been doing 読む wrong."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407426 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:36:54")

Watch 10000 hours of anime and try again"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407444 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:41:04")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407452 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:42:23")

"Is being able to read an average non fiction book (like a collection of essays or stories on software engineering) with virtually no problems after a year and a half of study good?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407462 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:44:04")

Why would you wanna read anything non-fiction in Japanese though?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407494 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:51:52")

find something you want to enjoy that is easier
simple stuff, if you're not wasting your time learning the language there will be more things worth reading than your endgame"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407496 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:52:14")

yeah if you can read shit for regular people youre pretty in there dude"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407513 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:57:08")

Depends, can you interpret and understand ロミオ様's works on anything but a surface level?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407568 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:05:58" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">"It's an amazing experience doing that. When you're so skinny that you can hardly walk up a flight of stairs ... you're, like, this being of pure thought. It's like you've abandoned your body.
>""That's the most Zen-like state I've ever been in my life. Two hours sleep, reading a book for 10 hours straight without stopping ... unbelievable. You couldn't rile me up. No rollercoaster of emotions."

Why would anyone do meditation when you can literally just starve yourself out to get more concentration and not waste 1 hour doing meditation like m*tt tells you. Barely need sleep any too. Bonus point if you piss on jugs to maximize the time you spent on nihongo."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407576 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:07:41")

"wanna learn some nihongo just piss on some jugs";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407607 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:12:46")

"flashcards? nah you know what ima do ima squirt some piss on some jugs -maatt whilst deleting his flashcards";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407648 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:20:56")

You've been bamboozled! I wanted DJT to give an AJATTer props for his alleged reading ability at the 18 month mark."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407653 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:22:10")

well i said if so if you cant then you gay my ninja"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407664 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:24:39")

even if a hypothetical ajatter received hypothetical praise it wouldn't change the fact that in reality they do not know japanese"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407746 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:38:05")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407775 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:44:13")




if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407784 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:47:12")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407790 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:48:41")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407816 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:53:25")

"Can someone please add Strike the Blood to the library?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407870 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:06:21")

"i just bought genki I and just want to say how excited i am
i am very excited"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407880 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:09:46")

did you do rtk1+3 already because if not i don't know you'll ever get through genki"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407892 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:13:22")

"Man I'm gonna RAPE japanese when I get done with RTK1+3.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407894 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:13:38")

no but i appreciate your input
i was going to do rtk alongside genki I&II"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407899 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:15:00")

oh wait this is a meme thing that i dont understand
anon you sneaky dog"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407943 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:23:57")

I have a verified iq of 160, aced ravens progressive matrices, used to have a rock solid photographic memory too
then 10 years ago my fiance left me, I got severe depression for a few years, and now I can't even remember what I had for breakfast yesterday
my mind is still very sharp (I was still able to get a phd in physics) but I have to use flashcards even just to remember the names of people I meet now
don't take your memory for granted"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407954 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:26:36")

everyone replying to this post with anger is N3 tops"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407965 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:29:37")

"dont mattbait";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407967 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:30:02")

"dont ajattbait";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19407970 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:30:39")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408014 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:41:11")

are you saying depression fucked up your memory?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408045 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:48:24")

that or the stress
lost most of my hair too in about 3 months at that time, it never grew back"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408087 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:59:08" && image=="bitch plz.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408157 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:11:26")




if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408204 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:21:57")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408297 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:45:01" && image=="anki-stats-2018-07-11@23-44-28.png")

"Just fucking kill me I'm a fucking retard";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408310 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:48:21")

i'd say you're doing fine but you're also doing core
stop worrying about anki stats and read more"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408319 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:51:29")

"What does 掛ける mean?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408338 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:55:28")

"it means to get poz";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408339 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:55:35")

"What *doesn't* it mean?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408342 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:56:25")

"words don't have meanings, they have feelings";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408347 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:56:47")

"reminder that idiomatic meanings are not meanings of individual words, they're just implied by the word's feeling";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408358 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:59:52")

Read more."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408475 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:44:57" && image=="uqpDMfRlMp4T_firefox_12-07-18_15.44.46.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408481 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:47:08")


I'm trying to come up with something clever using ショウガイ (障害・生涯・渉外) but it's REALLY hard to bring things back together in a funny way."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408658 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:40:45")

does this at any point become intuitive?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408676 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:45:49")

Yes by context

If you see 電話をかける then it's obvious it means to make a call"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408745 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:18:59")

you don't really learn what 掛ける means, you learn what things can be 掛けるed and what that means for them
same for a lot of verbs like that
don't think, just feel"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408763 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:25:16")

"Post your favourite kanji. I'll go first

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408769 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:26:35")

"In a sentence like 言ったは何でうか using ha feels incorrect since 言った is a verb but none of the other particles seem to fit any better, what would be the correct particle to use?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408773 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:27:43")

Looks more like hang up to me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408780 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:29:54")

At least it's not kun-yomi shit words that are clearly based on multiple words with different Kanji, but instead of just using the multiple Kanji they consolidated it down to one that doesn't really have anything to do with the meaning.

I'm looking at you, 傾く。方(かた )+ 向く. I know 方向 exists, but wouldn't it have been better to simply make that into a kun-compound and read it the other way as long as the okurigana was missing?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408888 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:05:43")

RTK3's selection of kanji seems pretty bad though. I've now started reading novels and all the time I come across kanji outside of RTK3. I think Heisig was too keen on religion and botany."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408898 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:09:57")

both of the posts you are responding to are sarcastic but congratulations on reading and discovering that you can't actually get the kanji out of the way before you start"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408940 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:25:57" && image=="F1D06943-A143-44DA-82D7-57FACAA22010.jpg")

"How can we be expected to take this brainlet seriously?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408953 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:30:43")

it's funny because if you associate this mnemonic with this kanji then associate this kanji with ただ it'll make you misunderstand ただ"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19408977 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:36:44")

>I think Heisig was too keen on religion and botany.
I believe there was an anon who complained about how many kanji for trees and/or flowers and/or fruits there in the latter part of RTK."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409009 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:45:55")

>they consolidated it down to one that doesn't really have anything to do with the meaning
I liked it 省みる・顧みる. You go back and see. Pretty good"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409026 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:51:50" && image=="dgfg.jpg")

"someone help me understand the japanese mentality";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409045 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:57:15" && image=="images.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409046 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:57:20")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409058 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:04:36")

"why am i so bad at remembering kanji";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409071 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:09:52")

what are you doing right now"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409086 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:13:55")

鬱 doesn't only mean depression. It's used in words like 鬱蒼 too."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409097 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:15:10")

Forgetting old kanji faster than I am learning new ones."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409115 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:18:16")




鬱 陶



if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409120 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:19:02")

To expand on that, the kanji that I've been learning lately have nothing to do with eachother so there's nothing for my brain to latch onto and kind of figure them out. It's a lot easier when you can make sense of them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409133 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:21:35")

i will assume this means you are doing isolated kanji
kanji becomes easier the more japanese you know, through association between kanji and words, and through exposure in memorable contexts
there is some value to learning some kanji up front but there are diminishing returns"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409156 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:26:39")

I am doing them in the order that is being suggested by presumably tried-and-true learning methods that are highly refined at this point. For the first few months the kanji have been related enough that I can kind of figure them out, at least by their radicals. That is not the case anymore.

I'm using the Core 2k which I know teaches you vocab in a very deliberate order. But a lot of the kanji introduced are isolated, which is giving me a lot of problems when it comes to retention."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409164 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:28:17")

"have you tried reading";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409197 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:35:22")

they are tried-and-true for "memorizing" kanji but not for applying kanji to learning japanese, as i said there are diminishing returns, even if you want to learn to write kanji you'd be better off putting more time into learning japanese and then put some effort into writing when you know japanese
core2k isn't a very deliberate order, it's just based on frequency in media that is probably different from what you will be practicing with, and the frequency count fucks up with words that are hard to differentiate
isolated kanji study wont help that much with isolated vocab study, you need to read japanese and you should use anki for words that you've seen a few times, not for words that a list tells you you should learn early
you can learn a thousand words of core but you really shouldn't go much further than that"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409247 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:53:10")

"what exactly is the difference between 開く and 開ける (あける)?

and what is the difference between 閉じる and 閉める ؟"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409252 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:54:31")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409291 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:07:28")

Nobody knows."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409308 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:13:46")

Whats the difference between 'close' and 'shut'?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409316 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:16:24")

"What bait will get me me most (You)'s?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409333 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:19:33" && image=="Capture.jpg")

from my understanding , 閉まる is a passive action where a certain thing is shut or closed, and has not been necessarily shut by another person. that's good all , what really rustles my jimmies is 「閉める」と「閉じる」"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409377 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:30:24")

You need to stop using jisho and get a real dictionary with example sentences."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409385 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:34:35" && image=="tojirushimeru.jpg")

Like these, by Daijirin!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409390 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:36:19")

"Kenkyuusha, I meant";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409424 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:45:24")

"I’m easing back into studying Japanese after a long hiatus (years). I’ve started using WaniKani, at the free level. It’s startung off pretty slow, but I’m told it picks up after a while. Do you guys have any experience with it, and do you think the price is worth it?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409435 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:48:05")

I haven't had any issues with jisho so far, but if it has problems with words like these then i'll take you up on your advice.

also , is the only difference between the two which words and which contexts they are used in? daijirin seems to imply that atleast"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409512 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:06:43")

"Just to make sure, 小生意気 is for 生意気 younger person, yeah?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409515 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:07:38")

it's a highly inefficient use of your time also read the guide before posting"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409527 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:09:23")

How far did you go with your Japanese before you quit?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409573 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:18:53")

">Started to understand song lyrics
>the songs I loved actually had depressing love stories and/or inconclusively cryptic endings

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409582 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:21:45")

"let me tell you that that doujin where a high-school girl has sex with the fat old men that her tears weren't tears of happiness and she wasn't calling her mother to introduce her boyfriend";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409595 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:24:56")

>start understanding song lyrics in detail
>it turns out I understood them all along"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409598 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:25:46" && image=="2565224_1333388401045.28res_500_281.jpg")

If you can say "Xをあける", you can say "Xをひらく" with 99% chance. The meanings are roughly the same.
On the contrary, there are following examples that you can say "Xをひらく" but can not say "Xをあける".
"本をひらく" "かさをひらく" "みなとをひらく" "国をひらく"


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409608 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:28:31")

Where can I pay you for private lessons?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409613 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:29:41")

thanks. so there are some cases where only one could be used but for the most part they are interchangeable ?
and for the last example, can you also use 開く ?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409661 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:42:17")

I took 4 semesters in college. I started with Tobira, but quit soon after, because work and adulthood."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409669 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:44:05")

Promptly make your way out of this thread."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409680 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:46:25")

same advice for everyone: read a lot of real japanese and use a dictionary
you should not use a textbook or a curated list of vocabulary or kanji especially when you're past intro textbook level
just fuckin read my dude"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409682 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:46:48")

Quality discussion. Which part of my post offends you?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409694 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:49:32")

Neither, it is only that, you don't belong here. I am giving a solution which will benefit both this thread and you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409722 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:53:03")

I have a Japanese 3DS with yokai watch. I was surprised at how much I could still understand, but also how much I forgot.

I have several volumes of yotsubato, and honestly is complete shit. Who reads this crap? Can you recommend beginner-friendly manga that isn’t trash? I have the first volume of yowamushi pedal, because the anime was kind of amusing."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409735 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:54:55")

As far as I (Japanese) know , in most cases both can be used interchangeably, and moreover for me there is not even a difference in nuance. Someone may disagree with me though...

教科書 is a kind of 本, so "教科書をひらく" ,"教科書の15ページをひらく" are also common expressions."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409736 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:55:00")

"How would you make a name for a Japanese male that includes the kanji 蓬";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409742 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:56:26")

I see. thanks alot japanon, you really helped me out"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409834 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:13:42")

"alternatively you could simply read more without worring about shit like that";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409855 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:19:23")

you don't progress without a bit of challenge, read anything that isn't pulling teeth and isn't pointlessly easy
you should prefer not to use manga if you can deal with anything else because it usually has little exposition and uses art in favor of anything that isn't dialogue
you get a bunch of pointlessly easy utterances and sfx, a few lines that are genuinely helpful, and then maybe a couple pages straight of shit that you haven't been prepared for
pure text is a little bit more consistent and there's more of it
try basically any light novel or web novel, if you insist on warming up with easy manga someone suggested aku no hana over yotsubato a few months back
finally, your comprehension will sometimes be shitty and you will give up on some lines, this is fine, it's the parts you figured out that matter so read more of them and don't put five minutes into decrypting one sentence that you wont understand anyway"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409874 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:25:19")

"as far as comparisons go are 方 and より used for the same purpose? Tae Kim said that the latter is the opposite of the former, but I can't really catch it from his examples
is より just giving that emphasis of superiority and 法simply states the facts without 'ego-trips'?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409884 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:27:51")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409921 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:37:22" && image=="Przechwytywanie.png")

"is this a misprint? it should be その or この right?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409923 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:38:12")

Back to kim tyler with you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409948 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:45:22")

which chapter?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409952 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:46:34")

ok I got it now, it's donomo as in 'none'"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409958 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:48:26")

Somewhere in the beginning where he explains fucking 指示語"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409971 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:51:49")

delicious altar words?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409975 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:52:01")

Nie ma dla ciebie nadziei."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409976 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:52:51")

no wait finger altar words. ugh..."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409982 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:53:55")

Based rtk poster."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409983 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:54:04")

ale jestes chlodny"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409991 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:54:57")

"/djt/ - Daily Pooland Thread";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19409998 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:56:26")

Poles have the best Jap pronunciation due to sharing the very same vowels"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410008 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:58:08")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410009 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:58:13")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410015 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:59:00")

Thank you, this is the kind of advice I was looking for. Nobody has told me not to learn from manga before. “Just read” isn’t useful advice, because manga and vidya are what I wound up with.
I see that you lot favor not using textbooks. I have a grammar dictionary, which I find surprisingly useful. Would that be enough? Is Tobira not worth my time?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410020 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:59:22")

knn siam la cb"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410042 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:01:19")

stay mad, Poles also make for best Latin lectors"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410055 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:02:37")

Guess I'll stay mad since I'm a pole."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410145 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:15:47")

Is there anything weblio doesnt show?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410266 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:36:48" && image=="1512667805011.jpg")

"I am doing anki but I am not learning anything";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410280 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:40:03")

Read more."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410286 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:40:48" && image=="1525627617362.jpg")

But I cant read"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410314 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:45:51")

You read my post just fine.
Get to it, you lazy shit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410328 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:48:29")

"Ankiconnect guide?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410353 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:52:42")

Anki made me want to kill myself. Stop using it, and you’ll start having fun again."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410441 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:08:35")

"How do I get rid of my accent so the nips can understand me?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410457 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:10:38")

"Can Japanese rap poster beat this?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410467 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:12:15")

Watch Dogen's phonetics series. They're unlisted but there's a public playlist you can search for on youtube that lists them all."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410498 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:16:35")

[BASIC form]
B is adj-er than A.

[derived forms]
(when A is clear)
B is adj-er.

(adj can be replaced by "好き", "したい", "まし(be better than something even worse)" or so)
I like B better than A.

(when A is clear)
I like B better.

(when B is clear)
何もない より ましです。
It's better than nothing.

I would rather die than live in dishonor."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410503 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:18:55")

I read some nhk easy, but it takes like 10 min to read one sentence and even then it's not like I really understand the sentence at all."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410562 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:27:59")

Try eromanga instead. Let your dick guide you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410702 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:48:01")


Reduce new count and spend that other time reading a grammar guide. Vocab and Kanji knowledge is invaluable in the end, but you need grammar as well."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410902 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:18:16")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19410963 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:26:44")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411025 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:33:41")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411207 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:04:54")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411228 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:09:11" && image=="Untitled.jpg")

"I'm attempting to use ITHVNR to hook some subtitled anime and it works but as you can see the ITHVNR is running about 90 seconds ahead of the subs.

I've played around with these various "delay" options but as far as I can tell they've had no effect.


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411285 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:15:29")

"What gave you the most difficulty during the very beginning of your japanese study?

So I'm still a beginner (I'm at Chapter 16 in Genki II) but when I first started, I somehow could't wrap my head around the difference between これ, それ, and あれ and この, その and あの. I think I stopped studying for a year (which was only self-study) because of this (and because I thought that there would be no way for me to remember the 15 japanese words I learned).

A close second would be distinguishing between シ and ツ, and between ソ, ン, and ノ."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411300 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:18:17")

に and へ still not even sure I'm using them correctly"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411304 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:19:04")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411305 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:19:10")

Knowing which resources to use with the endless amounts of conflicting information available in the world."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411309 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:19:51")

wouldn't just extracting the text from subs and placing it into html file be easier?

btw, where did you get the subs?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411316 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:21:51")

"I used to try to learn Japanese and got pretty far in the Anki deck but stopped after about 5 months of it and haven't touched Japanese since. What would be the best way to get back into it? Should I just start the Anki deck all over again?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411348 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:27:48" && image=="53270459_p0.png")

"Is there any merit to the idea of never looking at native language translations, and instead always attaching vocab/kanji to objects ideas and pictures.
Kind of like having two mental dictionaries that you can switch between, rather than a translation dictionary."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411373 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:31:00")

Just stop using dictionary and start communicating in pictures"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411375 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:31:28")

As long as you're not actually translating in your head when you're reading (which you shouldn't be doing), the English "scaffolding" you use will fall away pretty naturally. Switching to a J-J dictionary once you can is far more valuable than spending a bunch of time trying to match images to vocabulary."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411376 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:31:29")

I think that this method will save me just a little bit of effort in the future because it's more passive, even if it is proving to be a pain to set up.

Subs are on and they're perfectly timed to the horriblesubs release out of the box"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411417 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:39:55")

I see that shit once in a blue moon."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411422 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:40:48")

Since you'll probably understand most of it let me recommend you one of my favorite songs, Kataomoi by Miwa:"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411433 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:42:08")

When you already have a lifetime of experience and complicated concepts codified and indexed, it seems to me foolish not to use this knowledge base as a shortcut by which you can graft the concepts onto their Japanese equivalent.

You don't have to be afraid of your first language.
As Krashen said,
>The first language helps when it provides background knowledge that functions to make
second language input more comprehensible."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411443 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:43:24" && image=="honk honk.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411445 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:44:16")

"For those of you well into your way of studying Kanji with flashcards, do you add all of the different combinations of a kanji per card with their respective definitions in 1 card or keep it one per card?

pls no booli

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411454 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:45:45" && image=="1516711006198.jpg")

What the fuck do you even mean?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411514 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:57:12")

I know it's frowned upon here but I did it on Wanikani which just uses the most common reading and I think that works pretty well in combination with words that include the other readings as well. If that's what you're talking about."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411527 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:59:29")

"For instance:
Do people find it more productive to make cards like:
王: king
王国: kingdom
王国 : prince
王女: princess
etc. on a single card, or a different card per each usage of 王?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411530 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:00:30")

If that is what you're talking about, please don't study the readings of kanji in isolation. That is the most ridiculous waste of time, because for exactly the same amount of effort you could be learning actual words that happen to use the readings."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411533 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:00:57")

Different card, and I like to space out similar cards by adding them on different days instead of dumping them all at once."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411540 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:01:53")

Not really in isolation, I am playing a game that I love in Japanese and most of the kanji are at least thematically similar (war and medieval) + it's helping reading skills."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411558 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:05:10")

Are you actually trying to memorize the "meaning" of compounds without just learning them as vocabulary? If so please stop wasting your time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411561 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:05:24")

All ITHVNR does is copy from a certain place in memory to the clipboard. If it is 90 seconds ahead, then it is probably copying from the wrong place. Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411569 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:06:42")

it better be nobunagas ambition"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411590 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:10:29")

Trying to figure out mission requirements based on the kanji so I would say more like vocab in that sense. Learning how to pronounce them is the big bitch though, reading them with their English meaning is no problem."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411601 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:12:37")

when do you plan on just learning nihongo"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411620 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:15:08" && image=="Untitled.png")

This is what I do senpai

When it's not too much effort, I include an example sentence on the answer side of the card before the definition.

I also use Kenkyuusha which has a million senses. My hypothesis is that this way my brain will tie the word less to a specific English translation and more to the broader sense of just what the word means.

With all of this said, I don't think it's worth fussing about because we will all be using J-J dictionaries before it's over.
I recommend you do whatever before you get stymied trying to decide on the best possible way in which to proceed."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411626 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:15:58")

"holy shit";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411627 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:16:27")

You are not learning Japanese if you're not learning how to read the kanji.

Why is the answer on the front of the card?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411632 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:16:56")

>Learning how to pronounce them is the big bitch though, reading them with their English meaning is no problem.
You're just wasting your time. Doing english keyword <-> kanji study is already of dubious value, doing what you're doing is absurd."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411657 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:21:52" && image=="kanjibookjlptn5-109.png")

"I've asked for help before but no answer.
I've learned Hira and Kata, learning Kanji radicals now as it's the foundation of Kanji.
I use Anki yes, But i find like with kana i learn best with pen-paper and would like to get a chart like >pic related.

That has the Kanji Radical, Its meaning and stroke order; so i can drill them and learn the lot.
The image i got from a PDF "THE FIRST 103 KANJI" But it doesn't have the full 214 radicals.

Anons can you help me find the full list please, Would like to continue my manual drills + Anki to get gud.

Hopefully this time i can get the help before falling back into a pit of masturbation filled dispair."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411659 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:22:08")

You're basically just looking at dictionary pages with examples at this rate, no?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411664 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:23:18")

>You are not learning Japanese if you're not learning how to read the kanji.
What do you mean? I just said I'm learning how to read them, if I can't read them then I can't do the missions in the game because they all have specific requirements."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411677 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:24:44")

dont worry you will be jerking off and feeling empty inside again soon enough

that is unless you just start learning nihongo"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411683 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:25:24")

If you want to write a bunch of shit by hand just do RTK or something that's literally designed around what you want to do.

>I just said I'm learning how to read them
No you're not anon."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411689 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:25:53")

That's the back of the card, the front only displays 諄い.
I don't spend more than a few seconds looking at the back of the card. It's either "yeah, something like what I thought" or "nope, again""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411698 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:26:46")

>just do RTK
Please anon san provide more information, What is RTK; can you link."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411747 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:34:09")

Why do people not even bother looking at the guide before asking those things?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411760 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:35:57")

You're not reading Japanese if you're reading the kanji as their English meaning. a) Japanese words don't have English meanings. You can only approximate them to English words which vary by context. b) Japanese words are often written without kanji. You won't be able to understand them in kana. c) You won't be able to listen.
You are basically inventing your own retarded pidgin language that only exists in your head, not learning Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411812 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:42:11")

It might not be the most efficient way but you'll still get there in the end. But I do agree that it requires a different mindset than the one you're used to."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411825 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:43:57")

>>It might not be the most efficient way but you'll still get there in the end.
No you literally fucking won't anon. You would unironically be better off just using a machine translator if you're not going to learn the readings, or proper meaning, of words."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411830 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:44:23")

>Hira and Kata
You're not gonna make it are you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411859 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:48:05")


Can someone explain how this is possible? I checked and none of the readings for 殺 are や, typing やる doesn't get you 殺る with an IME either, I'm so confused."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411870 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:49:07")

"put 殺られる in google and reaffirm your destiny";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411880 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:49:54")

Ok here is a recent example (I am open to different ideas, not trying to argue my method is best)

I learn that 全員 means all members, 生存 means survival. OK, so 4人全員生存でクリア means all 4 members must survive. Now I learned 4 new kanji and at least 2 new applications. Then, I use these kanji moving forward for other things ingame in different contexts. Seems to work so far. What's wrong with that?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411889 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:50:58")

With all due respect you could have mentioned the name itself (Remembering the Kanji (RTK) by Heisig), being a book series.

The guide is nicely compiled and ty for the reminder.
However what i'm looking for isn't in there as stated from the original post.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411892 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:51:10")

>I checked and none of the readings for 殺 are や

>jukujikun (plural jukujikun)
>(linguistics) A Japanese word whose kanji spelling conveys the meaning based on the individual characters, but the reading is not directly related to the spelling. For example, 大 (“big”, usually read ō in kun'yomi compounds) and 人 (“person”, usually read hito in kun'yomi compounds) combine to form 大人, meaning “adult” but read as otona instead of the otherwise-expected ōbito."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411895 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:51:31")

He literally explained what's wrong with it in his post. The problem is you know what those mean yet you can't read them. You won't be able to listen to spoken Japanese at all."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411905 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:52:09" && image=="nani.jpg")

"what's the most fun part about studying for you?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411912 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:53:15")

I said it's a bitch to learn the readings, not that I'm not doing it anon."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411928 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:54:44")

I don't study, I just read. So all of it is fun for me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411936 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:55:49")

If you are "reading" Japanese by translating words in to English in your head you are never going to be able to read fluently."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411943 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:56:37")

Oh shit I didn't even realize 大人 was an example of this. I almost never check readings for kanji so I never noticed. Why is it that Windows IME doesn't work with 殺る but google translate does?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411944 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:56:40")

That feeling when you go back to something difficult some time later and realize it's not really hard anymore."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411954 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:57:16")

"Out of curiosity, is Genki still worth buying into? The books are expensive as all fuck";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411959 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:57:45")

but that's not studying anon

do you want pdfs?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411988 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:00:45")

I also found it hard to remember readings in the beginning, but I got through it with lots of reading and by making my own mnemonics. My memorization ability improved with practice. If you have trouble with something, you should put more effort into it, not less. So make sure that you always read the words correctly and focus on getting the reading right in Anki. It's more important than the English translation in the long term."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411989 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:00:46")

There have pretty much always been better alternatives to genki for self learners. It's not completely useless or anything as a self learner, but you'd be far better served with something else."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19411994 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:01:42")

see >>19411912
I literally do not see why you can't just learn what each kanji means along with grammar and sentence structure and learn how to speak that way. Japanese isn't some alien language that requires a different brain dude. As long as you are aware of the differences."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412009 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:02:55")

My current plan is just constant exposure rather than mnemonics. These are kanji I will be seeing on a daily basis, so long as I read them out loud it should just get drilled into my brain. From there it's about branching out."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412043 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:07:54")

"No seriously what's the difference between に and へ";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412048 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:08:52")

You'll need to watch NHKにようこそ at least 10000 times in order to understand the difference between へ and に"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412054 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:09:35" && image=="lol come onnnn.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412060 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:10:09")

In some of the more common cases they are often almost completely interchangeable and a matter of style. In certain situations one or the other is required. In certain situations they mean nearly the same thing with marginally different nuance. Just read more and get a feel for them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412087 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:14:06")

particle nuances are literally the least important shit to learn
worry about that much, much later"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412240 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:35:06")

"The example sentences in the last part of the DoJG deck are disgusting.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412246 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:35:58")

Windows is shit.
My IME knows 殺る just fine."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412261 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:38:21" && image=="keep up.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412277 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:41:11")

150kk reviews for 365 (or is it 385?) cards, what the actual fuck"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412284 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:41:39")

は is fine.
The reason it feels wrong is because of lack of の before it. Append の to 言った.


Simply put, jukujikun are combinded-kanji words. So 殺る isn't a jukujikun, but your typical kun reading.

There is a slang word やる for killing. It's pretty natural to use 殺 for やる. Windows IME might not like slang."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412319 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:45:07")

"What is the difference between 戦い and 闘?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412330 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:46:51")

I should have said 戦うand 闘う"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412331 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:47:00")

check out google for the answer to this and more"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412348 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:48:50" && image=="Capture.png")

You too, faggot. And before you >translate, these definitions are consistently the same."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412349 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:49:03")

getting to watch porn all day without feeling like I'm wasting my life"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412359 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:50:42")

>these definitions are consistently the same.
Not if you Google it in Japanese"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412368 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:51:40")

Who brought in all the special people today?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412372 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:52:49")

Actually, they are. They seem to be interchangeable. I understand you don't know the difference yourself, though. Maybe someone else does?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412375 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:53:05")

here check out a more in depth strategy on the new djt guide found here >>19405978"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412387 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:55:24")

They aren't, google 戦う 闘う 違い. If you can't understand the explanations that come up, that means you shouldn't worry about it for now. Just learn it as "fight", and when you're a big boy you can read about nuance and consult a J-J dictionary."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412394 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:56:31")

Consult a dictionary.たたかう"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412397 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:57:25")

>Actually, they are
Nah, you just can't understand the explanations. But you're not going to bait me into doing your work for you either."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412407 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:58:47")

"you dont even need explanations to understand the difference just look at 闘";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412467 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:07:43")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412484 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:11:11")

">measuring onions beans under a gate";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412496 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:13:07")

"another rtk noob slain";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412575 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:24:41" && image=="KenSamaYoung.png")

"So how far along is everyone and how long have you been doing it? Just interested in seeing people's progress.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412583 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:25:34")

bout tree fiddy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412586 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:25:58")

"When you first start reading, do you make sure to fully understand most sentences grammar wise? Because I think I may have to look up grammar rules on Tae Kim's guide a lot when I start reading.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412595 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:27:18" && image=="1438062868178.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412597 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:27:52")

Year and a half
Below N5"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412618 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:31:33")

2 years and a few months, I can read fine but still need to work on my listening."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412619 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:31:44")

In my opinion there's literally no way someone with a functioning brain won't figure out grammar just by learning vocab and reading. It is probably a good idea to learn very basic grammar when starting out, but you should just pick up on it along the way without having to spend time on Tae Kim."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412640 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:35:53")

Thanks for the answer, I'll finish reading TK's guide pretty soon, but I'm sure I won't remember most of content because I've read it once. I haven't started reading seriously yet, so I still have to see how well I'll do."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412644 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:36:44")

"functioning brains come at a premium here at the djt";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412647 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:36:57")

>麗 what is it doing here?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412654 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:39:57")

Also might be worth mentioning that even if you fuck up on your grammar / particles, you will still usually be able to make sentences that people can understand. It will just sound like how broken English speakers sound. You just keep learning and refining until you figure out all the quirks."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412678 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:42:41")

Around 3 months, wasted 2 months in RTK, grammar and kana practice. Started reading about a month ago, got a few endings in Axanael and it's mostly comprehensible, having to look up way less words already. Wish i'd done this instead of RTK."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412700 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:47:22")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412728 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:51:40")

How often do you encounter that?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412732 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:52:37")

Genki is overpriced because it is used in colleges. Download the PDFs and/or use Tae Kim."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412735 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:52:44" && image=="己様現在.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412770 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:01:22" && image=="1523622122927.jpg")

"I "learned" (spammed spacebar) 13.000 cards yesterday for an experiment.

Today Anki says there are 1000 reviews due, though the limit I put was 9999.

Is it normal for Anki to not show numbers higher than 1000 on the main menu?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412774 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:02:24")

Have you finished RTK? Just curious."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412785 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:05:33")

Yes, start reviewing and it will show on the bottom. Unless you have that turned off for some reason."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412788 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:06:06")

Occasionally cuz I read Naruto."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412792 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:06:45")

I wonder if anyone will fall for this

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412810 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:10:10")

The manga? That's not reading."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412817 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:11:33")

No, the book."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412826 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:12:31")

No. I did do a lot of it though.

This is the most sincere post I've ever made here that I can assure you. I'm not baiting."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412877 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:21:55")

When it ends."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412880 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:22:38")

"I regret learning Kana and going through TK, I should have started with reading straight away";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412892 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:23:57")

"Is yomichan dictionary pop up not picking クリトリス up when it's written like くリトリス with ku in hiragana because it's a swear word? Normally it doesn't make a difference see to adverbs, they all have to in hiragana at the end yet it still allows for searching it.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412905 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:25:16")

Works for me"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412921 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:26:53")

Are you the guy who told me you quit around 1600 kanji in?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412955 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:31:21")

wow what a unique and insightful opinion
im so glad DJT hasn't turned into a circlejerking echo chamber like all of the other generals"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412966 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:33:12")

"i regret that i still havent made everyone learn nihongo";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19412971 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:33:29")

He was making fun of the circlejerk."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413000 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:36:41")

Was a little before half of it, why?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413014 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:38:23")

I'm trying to keep a mental note of the number of people who abandoned RTK and learned how to read while I continue RTK and learn no Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413022 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:39:23")

"Benefits of RTK:
- learn meanings behind most of the kanji learnt,
- learn how to write out the kanji by hand,
- learn that kanji isn't difficult, learn what it is composed of, have easy time with learning new kanji in the future
- for some it's easier to learn readings and proper meanings for the kanji they already know, because they don't have to bother about its writing any more
- you don't make stupid threads on /DJT/ about how you confuse kanji X with kanji Y
- it takes only 3 months to learn 3k of them, less than all the shitposting an average user leaves here + most redditors don't know more than 500 kanji after 10 years of studying the language
- when I don't know some kanji's reading but remember its RTK meaning I can simply find it in the index because I have a word associated with it in my head
- it's been used by people who actually learnt how to speak Japanese (the nigger, Matt, Brit) unlike /DJT/fags"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413023 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:39:29")

You can take the 馬 to the RTK but you can't make him drink the 感じ soup"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413034 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:40:48")

>find it in index
Implying this was ever hard.
You are trolling right?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413048 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:42:19")

"he thinks matt and brit speak nihongo what do you think lmao";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413058 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:43:55" && image=="1407629766150.jpg")

I am autism and the weird key words and stories just frustrate me, they seem nonsensical."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413065 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:45:43" && image=="based steven recommends based heisig.png")

"Case closed. You can stop arguing.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413077 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:46:52")

>it's been used by people who actually learnt how to speak Japanese (the nigger, Matt, Brit) unlike /DJT/fags
Nice cargo cult science."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413087 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:48:15")

Literally who?

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413092 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:49:00")

"Yea a better science would be to conclude that some other method that nobody here has demonstrated fluent production with is better just because.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413108 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:52:12")

"moooooom I did it again";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413110 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:52:39")

You can count me in. I dropped it after ~1200 I guess?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413127 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:55:24")

I'm at 1225 but I hate Japanese so I won't stop. Enjoy consuming native material."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413130 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:55:49")

I am a huge fan of Steve, but he didn't use RTK, so his recommendation doesn't mean anything."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413156 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:59:14")

Downsides of RTK:
- Non-negligible amount of stupid (if not downright counter-productive) keywords
- Doesn't actually teach you anything about the language, just makes learning it arguably easier

My main issue with Heisig's method is how incredibly hard it is (for me at least) to come up with *good* stories. Most of the time I'll just end up associating keywords with other keywords which is pretty much completely useless. Also this method of learning/remembering shit was never scientifically proven to be good let alone the best, so there's that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413168 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:01:20")

"can anyone prove steve knows nihongo";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413186 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:03:38")

>My main issue with Heisig's method is how incredibly hard it is (for me at least) to come up with *good* stories.
so it's YOUR problem, not an intrinsic problem of the method"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413195 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:05:47")

He said knowing the meaning of the characters because of his Chinese was a huge help to him in learning Japanese. But your logic is stupid anyway."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413214 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:08:54")

Yeah, the Japanese government officials who conducted business with him for several years. The question is, can you prove that you do and that you're qualified to judge other people's skill?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413218 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:10:30")

Not an argument."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413220 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:10:36")

Overpriced for a supposedly shitty book you don't even need to learn Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413223 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:11:00")

substitute "learn" for "familiarize one's self with" for every point here and you'll see how stupid it is"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413224 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:11:29")

It could very well be, if not for the fact that absolutely nothing proves the method isn't flawed.
Until then the problem lies with Heisig's method (which again isn't backed up by any scientific/empirical evidence), not me"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413238 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:13:06")

why are you attacking me i just wanna know if lingosteve has any creds that can be shown to prove hes worth listening to"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413243 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:13:47")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413246 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:14:09")

I'm not attacking you, calm down. I'm saying he does and asking if you do."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413261 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:16:24")

I didn't say it was expensive. I said it was overpriced.

Why would you trust a recommendation for something when the person hasn't even used it? Just because knowing Chinese made learning Japanese easier doesn't mean using RTK will do the same thing."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413264 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:16:56")

>Also this method of learning/remembering shit was never scientifically proven to be good let alone the best, so there's that.
Probably true but you could say that about most methods. Seeing as how visualizing stories drastically boosts my retention rate (and the kanji I most frequently forget are the ones with the least vivid and unique stories), I feel safe saying it probably works. And RTK is popular among Japanese learners so it seems to work for a lot of people. If my experience isn't generalizable, there'd have to be something unique and special about my brain which I doubt. I'm not recommending RTK by the way."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413265 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:17:02")

"this just in you have to learn chinese to make japanese easier";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413268 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:17:19")

yeah thats a dude whos for real despite

you definitely wanna be like him and not like matt and brit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413273 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:17:46")

"the issue with rtk is not any one of the particular things it uses, it's rtk itself, the specific way it executes and uses its ideas";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413277 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:18:25")

thinking through your wording in japanese is proof that you actually "know" japanese, even if your word choice or grammar is questionable"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413298 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:20:04")

i just linked a timestamp where he said いろんなfucktor i dont actually have anything negative to say here"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413302 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:20:29")

oh i thought you were complaining about how he was rewording himself since you said "despite", my bad"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413304 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:20:35")

You can use your big fat brain to reason why one method you didn't use is superior to another method you didn't use. I'd sooner recommend someone try going to my local grocery market using a wheelchair rather than walking on their hands. I haven't tried either of those methods but somehow I can infer that one is better than the other."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413312 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:21:11")

he says いろんなファクター which is idiomatic"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413317 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:22:07")

"i just wanted to imply steven has a potty mouth ok";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413322 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:22:40" && image=="mpv-shot0077.jpg")

"the actual bad part of m*tt and aj*tt is that they're giving input a bad name";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413323 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:22:51")

He hasn't been to Japan or really practiced his Japanese in 40 years so whatever level he's at now he was better then."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413325 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:23:19")

"I stutter more speaking english (my native language) than steve stutters speaking japanese";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413327 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:23:56")

"The actual bad part about anything that isn't reading is that it's not reading.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413331 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:24:11")

"i dont think stuttering is gonna change language to language it just depends on your iq in general";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413338 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:24:37")

"Matt: Went to Japan and hid in his room
Steve: Went to Japan and worked as a businessman

Hmm, I wonder which one I should listen to..."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413340 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:25:09")

"Me: Went to Japan and became a G*d.

Listen to Me"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413341 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:25:12")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413347 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:26:01")

"i have a very high general iq and my stuttering is hell
indeed the problem is my verbal memory which is literally retarded (0.1 percentile)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413348 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:26:08")

The core of what they advocate is similar: read and listen a lot. Matt will always be a winner. :)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413353 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:26:22")

"What's the best thing to do with a new piece of grammar you come across while reading? Should I re-read it and test myself on it, or is it one of things where if it's important then I'll come across it again, and that way I'll learn it through frequent exposure?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413356 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:26:49")

youre not a winner till youve won"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413361 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:27:51")

not even think about it as a "new piece of grammar" and just keep going in life"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413369 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:28:29")

And let's be real for a minute, even Heisig's made-up stories suck complete dick and often go against some of his own principles even (such as not relying on language-specific mnemonic devices, which he does all the fucking time).

>Seeing as how visualizing stories drastically boosts my retention rate
Don't get me wrong, it does for me as well when I was doing RTK. My issue lies with coming up with these stories in the first place.
I just took a character at random to try and prove my point: 史
The "primitives" from which you should base your story are "A mouth" .... "Tucked under the arm"
I could actually sit there for hours and not be able to come up with a story that gives me a vivid image of these keywords."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413374 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:29:13")

"You'd learner it more efficiently and faster if you made a flashcard and exposed yourself more frequently to that grammar point. But Jamal will tell you to just read more so do that.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413377 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:29:31")

"史 is visibly simple enough that if youre making up stories for it youre actually a fuckin dunce";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413384 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:31:05")

"Let’s talk listening. Is it worth consuming listening material that is far beyond one's proficiency level? I listen to a lot of podcasts on my commute, and I’m wondering if it would be of any value to listen to Japanese podcasts. This would get 90-120 minutes of listening “practice” in every weekday.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413386 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:31:10")

For people who have trouble coming up with their own stories, there's a site with community-voted ones to choose from."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413391 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:31:50")

Yes, but only because it build phonemic awareness and makes your brain more used to sentence-level prosody. It's not very useful for chipping away at your immediate comprehension goals, for that you want better calibrated input."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413418 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:37:33")

"坂 板 販 版";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413427 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:38:57")

"They all look very different to me. Thanks Heisig.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413432 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:39:28")

Going with made-up stories is more than discouraged by Heisig."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413434 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:39:49")

"They all look very different to me. Thanks 部首";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413443 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:40:53")

Could you possibly pick any easier to distinguish kanji subset?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413444 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:40:54")

Actually doing the method is encouraged by Heisig, so if you don't do RTK because you find it too difficult to come up with your own stories then stealing someone else's works."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413448 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:41:58")

>Actually doing the method is encouraged by Heisig
What method?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413454 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:42:33")

Linking keywords to images and visualizing stories with them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413466 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:45:02")

"So I was using the DJT Library to read キノの旅, but it seems that someone uploaded Volume 7 instead of Volume 6. I can probably find the volume on my own, but I thought I should mention it in case someone who can fix that is still around.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413501 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:52:02" && image=="image.jpg")

"Is RTK Anki worth doing if I don't give a shit about the method or books and I just want to learn Kanji? I took the Britt Vs Japan deck and made it less stupid.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413508 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:53:07")

"the idea of "learning kanji" is flawed from the start

you wanna be learning nihongo"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413512 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:54:18")

"The idea of "learning the alphabet" is flawed from the start.

You wanna be learning English."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413513 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:54:48")

"the alphabet is hiragana and katakana

checkmate noob"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413524 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:55:54")

"The idea of "learning" is flawed from the start

You should already know Japanese unless you've literally got cabbage for brains"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413527 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:56:25")

"The idea of "learning nihongo" is flawed from the start.

You can't learn nihongo."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413530 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:57:14")

"The idea of an idea is flawed from the start.

You should have all the answers for all questions."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413531 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:57:19")

"no the meme is you cant learn japanese but you can learn nihongo

get it right or pay the price"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413551 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:01:37")

"The idea of "djt" is flawed from the start

There isn't even any Japanese in this thread"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413554 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:02:07")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413561 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:02:51" && image=="1526323576690.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413589 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:07:52")

"Is passive listening to podcasts throughout the day a meme?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413593 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:08:49")

In more ways than you can imagine."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413594 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:09:02")

"if you can understand it no

if you cant yes

so listen to this instead"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413601 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:09:59" && image=="1525343533523.jpg")

Being sincere doesn't make you right.

Okay, you skipped the fundamentals and went straight to ""reading"".
Doesn't mean you have the upper hand on learning Japanese; not knowing kanji will come back to bite you in the ass in the future, unless you intend depending on Yomi-chan forever.

You're the guitarist who skipped learning music theory and jumped to using tabs, advising other people to do the same.
You'll be able to play your pop songs and impress retards quicker, doesn't mean you'll be a better musician.

At any rate, any other ADD retard looking for shortcuts but still spewing their workarounds as gospel deserve learning their lesson the hard way. See you back in one year doing shitty mnemonics, pal."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413607 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:10:52")

"Damn, never seen anti-RTKers so thoroughly mangled.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413608 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:11:03")

what if you skipped learning music theory but instead of using tabs learned how to play everything by ear"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413612 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:11:30" && image=="onsen.png")

I'm using and only doing the important subdeck. It covers 2100 kanji in 3400 card, so you learn 1-3 words for each kanji. Not using any mnemonics, just writing them down when I review them.

I'm about a month in and I think it is working well so far."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413613 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:11:31")

Isn't the point of it trying to understand it? Then with time you get better at picking stuff out?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413618 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:11:52")

music theory is impossible to understand correctly if you don't have a functional musical intuition"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413620 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:12:12")

Then it'd be like learning conversational Japanese without ever looking at written language."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413623 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:12:33")

This is most cringe shit I've ever seen. Are Japanese people who listen to this literally 12 year olds?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413629 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:13:22")

"I wonder how the original 大和言葉 felt like, before it was defiled with filthy 漢語";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413636 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:13:59" && image=="Screenshot 2018-07-12 at 17.13.33.png")


There is a point at which reading is the correct answer.

It varies person-to-person though. The sooner you can stop using RTK and start reading, the better."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413646 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:16:25")

>you skipped the fundamentals
Wow it's like you didn't even read his post
>not knowing kanji will come back to bite you in the ass in the future
You're saying it like you can't learn kanji on the fly"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413650 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:16:42")

I'm not arguing pro-RTK, but pro-individual kanji study.
If you want to learn them your own way, fine, but radical and meaning recognition are useful skills. I'd recommend to have it pretty solidified for all jouyou at least."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413663 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:18:31")

idk what the point of the stupid shit people itt do is

music theory is 8 tones and harmony and dissonance

its not hard to figure out what is the saddest note to play over a bm7 chord

well then so you come away knowing nihongo and can become literate later should you choose

sounds like a great goal for anyone itt personally

you trippin that shit bangs but if you wanna see more cringe shit take a look at a mirror ftl"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413684 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:23:40")

Have you ever played an instrument? Do you know Japanese?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413687 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:24:14")

"did anyone learn mostly watching anime with japanese subs. Its seems so effortless plus I'm reading and listening.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413691 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:24:49")

"why would you watch anime subbed in japanese if you dont know japanese

seems pretty retarted"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413696 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:25:27")

"this sentence from yotsuba is fucking me up lads
telephone pole over at that place, without a net?
I understand up to 所 but the rest is confusing"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413706 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:26:59" && image=="800px_COLOURBOX26136119.jpg")

these were the days boys"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413707 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:27:01")

>and can become literate later should you choose
Yeah, because adults who don't know how to read and write their own language turn out to be very successful cases.

There's a reason you learn that before you're 10, you can't properly build your knowledge on loose grounds.

Here's someone desperate for a straw."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413708 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:27:24")

yeah grammar dictionaries are good, still don't spend too much time trying to decode something above your level but it's fine to check what grammar is doing
there's a good rip of a dictionary of [basic/intermediate/advanced] japanese grammar and there's a bad rip of a handbook of japanese grammar patterns on the djt site, which are the most recommended options, in case what you're using gives a confusing explanation of something
i know nothing about tobira but my impression is that it's disliked more than intro classroom textbooks because one of the biggest mistakes people make is thinking they need to do have their hand held for months or years by beginner resources before they go off on their own and consume lots of natural language, and "intermediate" textbooks extend that time"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413710 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:27:38")


Individual Kanji study has its place, but I think it's better to learn it after the fact and go "oh THAT'S why this word/kanji is like this" instead of doing it the other way.

For example, nobody learns all the affixes in English before learning words which use them. I imagine that after learning a few words like "unnecessary" "unwanted" "unneeded" you start to see the patterns forming, but un- doesn't always work that way (many words start with un that don't use it as a negating affix like until/united/universe)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413713 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:28:26")

you learn the very basics but most grammar shit goes in one ear and out the other and society shapes you so

figure out how to let society shape you and so much epic nihongo is coming you way

hide in your room like a certain somebody and well youll be making cringe vids of yourself attempting to read muramasa and peeing in juggs"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413714 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:28:37")

All of the translations I've looked at say "telephone pole with a net", but doesn't あるじゃない imply the opposite? Either multiple translations are wrong or I am retarded"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413724 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:31:09")

its the other kind of じゃない"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413727 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:31:54" && image=="1506152854944.jpg")

Now these are opinions I'm okay with. Glad to have been your opponent today."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413737 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:33:52")

Is that like a negative question in English then? For instance one that starts with "Is that not.."

But if that's the case then I don't understand the question at all. Given the context it should be a statement."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413752 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:37:36" && image=="[HorribleSubs] Hinako Note - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_11.57_[2017.05.17_06.40.28].jpg")

left radical is meaning (土 [earth, slope], 木 [wood, board], 貝, 買い [shell, buy, old chinese people with beards selling useless stuff to each other], 片 [piece of thing, edition...whatever]; right radical is on reading (ハン, バン)
you don't need (someone else's) mnemonics for that shit, cause it can't get more logical than that

as for kun readings, drink lots of anime"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413761 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:39:16")

>Individual Kanji study has its place, but I think it's better to learn it after the fact and go "oh THAT'S why this word/kanji is like this" instead of doing it the other way.
by that point what the fuck is the point"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413765 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:39:34")

>only wasted 2 months
fuck you
good luck anon"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413766 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:39:37")



if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413777 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:40:47")

>wasting even 4 months
>a big deal at all"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413787 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:42:20")

It is obvious given context but that's not the point. I'm trying to figure out why things are the way they are, otherwise I'll never learn how to form sentences. To me, that sentence looked like it should be saying there is no net on the telephone pole, even though it's obvious that it wasn't saying that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413794 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:44:06")

>there's a net by that telephone pole, is there not?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413796 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:44:24")

this but 冗談じゃない"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413807 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:46:13")

本をもっと読みなさいって話come on man"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413849 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:55:25")

the negative of ある is ない, and if the statement was that it does not exist that is what would be used
the じゃない is "isn't it?""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413854 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:57:12")

the sentences and audio clips in core 2k/6k are way more productive."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413860 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:58:01")

this is true but not as productive as reading"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413878 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:00:25")

Thank you, that was the hang up then. Even if it was asked like "Isn't there a net by that telephone pole?", it doesn't make a lot of sense given the context was a girl telling someone where to throw their trash."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413879 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:00:28")

"everything is more productive than reading/posting itt";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413889 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:01:38")

>It is obvious given context but that's not the point
read krashen"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413899 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:04:03")

google images ゴミネット
sometimes you have to do some guessing but google images can often be enlightening"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413925 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:08:17")

>google 戦う 闘う 違い
Didn't DJT guide had "how to google the difference between two words/concepts" in there? Along with the second part of your post (if you don't understand it, too far for you)?

I keep wondering why people keep asking things like "what's the diff between アナルコキ and 穴入" when the way to find it is in the guide."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413928 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:08:58")

"nets keep the pesky birds at bay from stringin your garbo all over the sidewalk and street";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413933 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:09:28")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413936 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:09:59")

dont worry its in the guide now >>19405978"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413938 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:10:15")

"Now that I know that hitting hard changes the ease of my cards, it is very irritating to me. I used to hit hard when I just wanted to see a card sooner, but now I know it has a permanent effect, so I don't want to hit hard anymore. イライラですよ。";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413942 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:10:42")

People don't have enough intrinsic motivation to learn the language so they attention whore with basic questions to make themselves feel better in the moment."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413944 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:10:59")

no one reads the guide, it's a serious problem"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413947 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:11:40")

No one reads, it's a serious problem"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413948 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:11:57")

I don't know what ease is but I've heard of someone with a huge deck regretting the fact that he hit "hard" on a ton of his cards which apparently made it a huge hassle, and now I'm scared because I've hit hard quite a few times on some cards."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413954 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:12:44")

This is too specific to not be projecting, anon."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413955 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:12:46" && image=="tough choice.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413961 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:13:55")

haha i love that meme"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413968 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:15:05")

"I'm marathoning Steve Kaufman and HoI4 videos instead of studying.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413978 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:16:54")

in my opinion the entire per-card ease system is a mistake
ease is a per-card multiplier on the growth of the interval between successful reviews for cards that are out of the learning phase, and if you hit hard a lot you'll have a bunch of cards with the minimum of 130% instead of a normal 200-250%
if i remember correctly, failing and succeeding in general affect ease, but hard has a bigger effect than a lot of people think it should
i would recommend only using fail and good for a different reason though: don't think about how you did. pass or fail wastes less seconds per card questioning yourself. the biggest reason to hit hard is that people are afraid of failing a mature card, when they shouldn't be because if they know it well then it will have very little impact to reset it anyway."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413992 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:19:32")

>350 kanji
there's 350? Now i am way more scared of kanji than i was before. this is making me shit myself. 350 how the fuck am i going to memorize and learn all those kanji?! i tried anki and quit. it was boring as hell. that method doesn't work for me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413993 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:19:45")

the epic part is both of them are japones flag XD"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19413998 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:21:01")

Thanks. Yea that sounds like a pain.
>the biggest reason to hit hard is that people are afraid of failing a mature card, when they shouldn't be because if they know it well then it will have very little impact to reset it anyway.
I've been guilty of this myself but lately I've been forcing myself to just "fail" it because like you said, I do know the card but it just slipped my mind. I'll remember it better if I "relearn" it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414005 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:23:42")

Also a factor is that people very rarely press "easy", which increases the card's ease. The only time I ever pressed Easy was on a Core2k deck where it's literally just katakana like ホテル"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414170 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:49:31")

"What verb does one use when talking about somebody feeding another person?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414186 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:51:47")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414200 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:54:31")

Drown in your flashcards and die."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414246 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:02:48" && image=="Capture.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414265 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:06:10" && image=="1508233823267.gif")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414272 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:07:35")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414287 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:10:24")

eat shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414355 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:17:58")

"Is "Conveyance" a good reading of 乗り物?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414369 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:19:04")

"im going to kick you in your ass";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414372 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:19:21")

what it called when the girl do the 指たち混じる"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414440 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:29:10")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414492 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:35:50")

reset all your card progress
also reconsider your approach if you lost motivation, maybe you are grinding the wrong deck or not getting enough input"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414508 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:38:14")

Nah, if you actually bought some Nip shit (I know) you would know that it just werks and the text isn't in pictures, but it is DRMed. I guess Nips are too retarded to download some one-click de-DRM software and just take multiple screenshots or whatever."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414521 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:41:01")

"Is this the superior way of learning nihongo?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414523 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:41:04")

on e-readers but not on desktop unless you know of something i don't"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414541 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:44:18")

"I'm reading conditionals on Tae Kim and I don't get this
What's the difference between

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414556 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:45:44")

I'm not sure what you are getting at, admittedly I only tried kobo rakuten and amazon but both use DRMed reflowable text files for their desktop programs, not images. Which sites actually sell images of text?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414573 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:48:20")

You gotta feel it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414580 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:50:07" && image=="I'm a genius. OH NO.jpg")

>take multiple screenshots or whatever
>king of brainlets tier: a custom script that screenshots all the pages for you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414589 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:51:37")

>how to teach yourself japanese: another bangin 10 minute vid about flashcards


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414595 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:52:39")

Pretty sure it's explained in one of those guides that conditionals using なら are "contextual" and can even imply that the condition is already met (e.g. "since"). Whereas the other if form is more plain."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414597 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:52:59")

so break it down to the only thing different about those two and explain how you understand each of them to us"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414623 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:56:16")

SRS could improve your native language so couldn't it improve your L2."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414624 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:56:22")

There's literally no other way, stop being delusional."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414628 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:57:04")

>using jlpt vocab lists
>all everyday kanji or 6000 words are needed in order to start serious reading
>place names and people names will be out of question as long as you don't actually live in japan
>he can't pronounce 大学
>typing in anki
this wasn't the worst resource ever but it's worse than the guide"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414635 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:57:51")


Flash cards are good for building vocabulary and general memorization tasks. People that choose to only do flash cards are the ones that aren't learning a language."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414637 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:57:55")


We'll go shopping, IF (me and my) friends meet up
If (me and my) friends meet up, then we'll go shopping

ば is a loose and general conditional that can be used everywhere, but really focuses on the condition itself rather than the outcome. However, nobody will give a shit whether you use it or the other ones."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414646 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:58:59")

srs is allowed, it's just should never be the focus"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414666 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:01:10")

thats just english word soup there

what you want to be talkin about his the speakers feelings between saying one or the other"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414674 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:02:06")

"Did DJT ever have a discord or was it a failure?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414681 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:02:31")

i wasn't talking about images, i was talking about desktop readers for drm-free ebook formats, but i admit i haven't looked into it a whole lot"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414682 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:02:36")


It can be the focus relatively close to the beginning, but srs should lose focus at the point where you begin the reading process."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414683 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:02:53")

"it has one and i can personally verify that it is a failure as well";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414688 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:03:12")

バンジョーとカズーイの大冒険 ガレージ大作戦には色々な乗り物があります。"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414690 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:03:23")

fuck off"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414701 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:06:00")

the sooner you start the reading process the better, gotta push past that fear and get used to the fact that imperfect comprehension is okay
you can focus on srs for kana and like 500 words, 1000 is pushing it, 2000 is i'm afraid of reading, 3000 is i'm never going to take reading seriously"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414716 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:08:19")

>desktop readers for drm-free ebook formats
I assume if you searched in Nip you would find something, after all they also have public domain novels that are available in DRM-free formats and presumably some people make use of that. It's true though that western software is shit for vertical text, at least in general.
Sadly I can't help you there as I read in my browser and don't care about vertical anyway."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414721 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:09:23")


I'm currently on track to get 500 words in by the time I finish my grammar book. I've kind of tiptoed into reading easy news, and it's crazy how even 50 more words makes a world of difference."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414724 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:09:54")

"its not 50 more words its 50 more pages";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414727 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:10:18")

"Bi-yearly reminder that Amazon is shit and sells books with downscaled illustrations.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414733 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:10:56")

"amazon is run by satan incarnate so yeah thanks for letting us know";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414758 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:16:14" && image=="anki-stats-2018-07-13@04-13-46.png")

"Lads, honestly i gotta say this Heisig anki deck is fucking amazing, i've done 16 days and i'm at 361 kanji now.
And before you ask, only like 30-20 of those i already knew since Heisig doesn't do this shit by the frequency of usage but by radicals."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414763 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:16:42")

>>using jlpt vocab lists
>>all everyday kanji or 6000 words are needed in order to start serious reading
Maybe I interpreted it wrong but it sounds more like he was telling exactly what he did rather than recommend you doing the same and said it was optional. Fair point on the rest either way though."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414776 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:19:29")

so what have you learned in 16 days"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414784 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:20:51")

"The true way of learning nihongo is fasting to the point of near starvation so you get enhanced concentration and pissing in jugs so you don't waste any time going to the bathroom.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414788 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:21:05")

I can write down around 350 kanji from being told the keyword. And if i am shown the kanji i can tell you the keyword."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414798 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:22:22")

when do you plan to learn nihongo and how"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414802 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:22:47")

no one said it doesn't do what it advertises
but is spending 71 minutes a day on learning to answer those cards correctly teaching you japanese
will it be worth the return on time investment towards learning words
that is what is debatable, especially for doing all 2-3000"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414823 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:25:56")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414829 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:27:21")

i plan to start at around 600-700 kanji.
>will it be worth it?
we'll see
>71 min
That's deceptive since i do it on and off while doing other stuff on the pc so the actual time is probably something like 20-30min."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414834 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:27:54")

what about pooping"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414836 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:28:58")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414841 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:29:30")

What >>19414836 said but you're not gonna be doing much of that eating an apple a day."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414846 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:30:49")

I wonder how fasting affects concentration. The boys over at /fit/ in their fasting general claim all kinds of health benefits."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414852 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:32:27")

Actual real interview from Christian Bale after he had to lose a shitload of weight for The Machinst."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414865 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:33:58")

i'm fairly sure the time in anki doesn't include time spent on the backs of cards
also unless you changed the setting, the time on the front of any given card caps out at one minute"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414866 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:34:00")

"heres the real diet you need"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414868 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:34:12")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414872 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:34:54")

Yeah but if i remember correctly he went a bit overboard or something causing permanent damage to his body, i suppose this isn't relevant knowledge but i figured i'd just put that out there for anyone wishing to follow in his footsteps."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414879 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:36:15")

sounds logical but i can say for sure i haven't spent 71 minutes looking at that lil text box that is anki so there must be something creating the inaccuracy."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414882 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:36:23")

Yeah but by the time your organs start to shut down because they aren't getting nutrients you'll be a nihongo master."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414888 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:36:49")

"The only thing you boys need to worry about is making sure you're eating enough manga every day";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414892 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:37:46")

>implying anon's already frail body can handle it long enough that the dumbass actually learns Japanese"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414905 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:40:51")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414916 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:42:24")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414917 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:42:41")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414930 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:46:05")

a person's value...particularly the result of that person's this language is fucking goofy."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414949 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:49:35")

Nice digits but if I ate manga that'd stop my fast."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414958 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:52:32")

don't read, just study"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414964 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:53:16")

"what are the 1000 most frequent kanji outside the jouyou kanji";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414968 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:54:05" && image=="3892u518j4.jpg")

Yeah i just play vn's, read ln's and watch anime and I feel 0 guilt because I say I am building a valuable skill LUL."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414969 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:54:30")

"Do you learn faster as a beginner diving straight into news articles because you're grinding more difficult stuff, or do you learn slower because it takes longer to find comprehensible input which would be easy to find in manga?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414977 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:55:34")


10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language or your gay"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19414995 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:58:48")

see >>19409855
don't get in over your head or the low amount of comprehensible input will be inefficient, but avoid manga if you can manage it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415001 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:59:43")


There's 800 more used for names and other things"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415004 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:00:28")

Any thoughts on reading a bunch of 2ch posts and stuff like that all day as a beginner? Worth it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415009 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:01:10")

youre not gonna get them

at all"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415023 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:04:11")

Reading news articles makes you better at reading the news faster. Reading fiction makes you better at reading fiction faster."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415074 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:13:18")

check back on that japanese dude using 4chan to get better at english in a couple of years to see if that turned out to be a good idea or not
probably not, until you're pretty good at normal language"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415079 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:14:29")

"40 minutes until bed time. Wanna finish some AJATT videos I've got queued but also listen to some Japanese songs. *sigh* learning Japanese is tough.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415091 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:16:13")

use this as your lullaby"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415135 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:22:38" && image=="73289jr2389.png")

"Eroge is the best reading practice early on.

>relatively easy
>can be text hooked making easy for a beginner to read
>interesting even if you do not understand everything because it is porn
>pretty pictures gives you context, but still uses real sentences unlike manga

Just wanted to let you dekinais know how to learn."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415144 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:25:33" && image=="1531095100101.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415145 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:25:53")

"based nekopapa";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415170 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:29:39")

"I have the highest J-CAT score in DJT and I learned Japanese by eating manga (including H).";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415172 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:30:03")

that's not an accomplishment"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415229 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:40:40")

But did you get to pretend you are having sex with a cute cat girl or imouto?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415239 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:41:59")

">期待 (anticipation, expectation)
>来る+たい (to come+"want to" form)
>来たい (want to come)

holy shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415336 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:03:59")

">気体 (gas, vapor)
>機体 (fuselage, airframe)
>基体 (base, substrate)

holy shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415341 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:06:01")

"How do scans of these white rabbit graded readers not exist? Am I not looking hard enough?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415358 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:09:43")

spend $450 and do it for us
or read real japanese instead of artificial curated japanese so that you learn japanese"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415365 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:11:40")


>醜い (ugly)
>見る + 憎い (to see+hateful/dislike)
>or even 見る+難い (to see+difficult (hard to look at???) )

holy shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415398 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:16:24")

">わたしは (im)
>ゲイ (gay)
>わたしはゲイです (im gay desu)

holy shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415407 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:17:21" && image=="__aioi_yuuko_nichijou_drawn_by_shoumaru_gadget_box__sample-8c859fd843c8a456d88b95ac00f86b2a.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415499 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:36:39")

>being a pedo furry"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415519 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:39:31")

wait till they try to smugly redirect you to int lol"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415581 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:49:05")

"you already did it for me";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415619 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:54:43")

"forget nipponglish, you don't even know english";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415657 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:02:18")

"Does anyone know what the 式改変 in tda式改変 means? I got it in this video and thought it would refer to those loli versions of the tda models, but I guess not:";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415667 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:03:42")

You're parsing it incorrectly, 式 is a suffix. I's tda式 + 改変."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415688 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:09:26")

So something like tda-style transformation? I still don't quite get it but ok."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19415975 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:27:03")

Oh I see, it's a modification of the tda model."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416629 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:54:21")

"Todays nihongo word of the day is 嬉ション
your mom does that when she sees my huge 竿."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416655 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:01:50")

"Whats the difference between 付 and 附";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416734 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:30:04")


Were 2 different kanji truly necessary here?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416837 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:54:45" && image=="Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo - Anata to Koibito Tsunagi [BDRemux][D80291CA]_[00:06:14.625].png")

">struggle to watch anime with long dialogues because of my small vocabulary
>struggle to watch anime with simple dialogues because of my raging boner
Man, being a beginner is tough."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416950 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)05:20:27")

if your vocabulary is small you should be eating, not drinking"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416964 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)05:25:09" && image=="Screenshot 2018-04-22 at 09.36.58.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19416993 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)05:34:53")

雲 and 曇 are different in Chinese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417180 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:26:13")

"How difficult would it be to move to japan and find a job with an N1? Do foreign diplomas [Food technology (singapore)]get accepted there? Should I give up my dream of abandoning everyone here and becoming a Japanese citizen?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417201 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:30:18")

>Food technology (singapore"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417205 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:31:41")

why would you leave good asian country for bad one"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417208 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:32:02")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417217 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:33:46")

What does that have to do with learning Japanese?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417291 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:49:45")

best girl"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417308 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:53:17")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417326 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:57:26")

Because everyone here are dicks and I'm done being treated like a dietician.
I am n4 now. How long will it take to become n1"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417328 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:58:54")

About a year with a three digit IQ but I wager for you it's more like 5 to 6 years."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417339 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:01:13")

My Iq is 73 its not that bad"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417344 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:01:49")

only two years then"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417415 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:19:11")

"*whilst sipping a cup of earl grey*

a question ive always pondered is am i just really intelligent or is everyone else just really retarded"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417420 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:20:27")

"same but i'm pretty sure the answer is everyone else is just really retarded";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417503 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:39:13")

"they aren't retarded they are just average. though being smart doesn't really do anything but make you feel bad.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417511 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:43:13")

">le I'm too smart to be happy - phase
underage please leave"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417515 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:44:45")

">tfw neither intelligent nor retarded but I know Japanese
King me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417525 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:47:14")

"say king me in nihongo";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417577 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:56:28")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417620 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:03:30")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417623 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:03:44")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417638 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:06:22" && image=="1521207595920.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417647 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:08:28")

"quality post";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417649 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:08:47")

>there's a separate word for a piss bottle
Never change nihongo"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417658 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:10:24")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417675 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:12:51")

thats not quite the piss jugg we all know and love to talk about

because youre supposed to pee in those they are ergonomically designed to fit your personal male form factor"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417683 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:13:49")

Do I sound Japanese or just your regular gaijin faggot?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417684 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:13:54")

Have you never seen a hospital?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417690 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:14:09")

Maybe "にしろ" ?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417694 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:15:06")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417697 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:16:16")

you sound like talking anime faggottoです"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417700 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:16:54")

Why? なる isn't even transitive."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417704 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:17:38")

its not gonna help the situation there i meant"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417716 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:19:54")

Go read the 万葉集 poems if you want an idea."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417724 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:20:49")

"How do I ask for a whore to wash me in soapland in Japanese?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417745 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:24:35")

Just say "わたしゲイです". They'll know what you mean."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417753 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:25:41")

Oops missed a particle. "わたしはゲイです""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417755 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:25:57")

Look closer. That's the bird radical, dude, not west."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417772 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:28:30")

なる is not a transitive verb."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417805 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)08:33:11")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417979 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:00:35")

"I've been studying Japanese for around two years now using a host of methods. Genki with a Skype tutor (an hour a week, and this is my most consistent method), FluentU videos (discovered just a couple weeks ago), Japanese From Zero, DuoLingo, some elementary Japanese readers...the list goes on and on. I've noted the wiki for this subreddit and would like to hear from some learners in my situation which resources in particular helped them.

I feel like...a total learning Japanese. Aurally, I can understand almost nothing, unless it's extremely slow and/or aimed basically at babies. Same goes for reading, with the important note that the grammar (remembering all 1,643 conjugations), not the kanji, is my major stumbling point. My studies, homework, and lessons always seem to go well. I generally understand the grammar and vocabulary presented fairly well, which is why my troubles are particularly puzzling.

I've known that this is my status for some time, but I hit a self-esteem low today. I bought the Shin Nihongo N4-N5 study guide and gave the first 15 questions a go. I got 5 right, one of which was a guess. I understand that you have to somewhat study "for" the test, but considering that I'm well past the number of recommended (and revised recommendations in blogs) study hours, it should still be a breeze. Right?

Even when I try to devote myself to one or two methods so as not to spread myself too thin amongst them, I feel like I'm getting nowhere.

I've talked to other language-learning friends about this (although nobody I know is learning Japanese), and their answers frustrate me. It's no longer "new" to me, so that's not the problem. I had studied Chinese for a year or so and came into this journey knowing several hundred characters, so that aspect isn't the challenge. I'm definitely not a new language-learner. In fact, it's kind of..."muh thang!" This is my fourth foreign language, I have a Master's in Translation, and I hope to be a translator one day. I hoped to do that in Japanese, but I may have to fall back on my German skills.

What am I missing? If you were actually in this situation, what did you discover was the missing link?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19417987 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:03:02")

>for this subreddit
I could immediately tell this was from reddit regardless but you should at least try to change these keywords."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418005 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:06:03")

I thought that only applied to hanzi and not kanji."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418011 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:06:35")

">be me
>djt keeps going on about core 2k/6k
>download djt-linked core 2k/6k deck
>a few cards in
>front: 四
>back: し
>a few more cards in
>front: 四
>back: よん
>check for other duplicates, there must be at least 100
>different readings with no way to differentiate based on the front of the card
and this is somehow meant to be an example of good card design?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418035 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:09:52")

>the most upvoted comments
Stop focusing on the fact he should have stuck with one resource and just encourage him to read more."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418038 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:10:05")

who are you quoting?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418042 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:11:16")

does anyone have any idea where I could get that online for free? it's recommended a lot but I don't see any actual copies available online"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418047 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:12:04")

>what is greentext"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418058 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:13:46")

>as for kun readings, drink lots of anime"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418059 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:13:52")

the worst offender is 上がる
this card appears four times, each with the exact same reading but four different definitions. you are just supposed to guess which of the four definitions to recall
seriously, since its so popular, how the fuck do people manage this deck?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418074 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:16:21")

only people who cant speak Japanese get involved with the deck
SRSing vocab beyond barebones entry 200 words is retarded"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418079 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:17:03")

"am I just supposed to edit the cards to put some kind of disambiguator on the front e.g. 上がる (state of mind) ?
do I just suspend the less common readings of the dupe
do I edit the backs of the cards to put multiple readings/definitions"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418082 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:17:18")

>SRSing vocab beyond barebones entry 200 words is retarded
So when I start reading I should do the first 200 words of the core2k deck?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418087 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:18:03")

You just stop thinking too much about it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418092 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:18:35")

no, you should actually look for most common Japanese words list and eventually copy/paste that into a deck"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418093 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:18:41")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418098 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:19:36")

>only people who cant speak Japanese get involved with the deck
you might be right since whoever compiled the deck obviously didn't know what they were doing"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418100 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:19:53")

wait is core2k not ordered by frequency then? the fuck."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418103 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:20:29")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418108 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:21:37")

It is, it's just based on a bad corpus. If you're going to use a frequency deck core is fine even in spite of that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418110 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:21:43")

the core deck linked from the page in the OP has had some attempt at being ordered by frequency"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418115 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:22:36")

it is on a BIG scale (2-6k words), but if you talk in the terms of 200-300 most common words then it is not"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418124 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:25:06" && image=="72C2FC76-F469-4FC2-9B56-5694F2059D36.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418149 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:29:48")

"No need to do core, you need only to start fasting and you'll stop being a fat piece of shit and learn nihongo. Two birds with one stone.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418192 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:36:04")

"Common Japanese Names:
君 - Kimmy
手前 - Timmy
当に - Tony"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418210 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:38:58")

so which deck do I need then?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418215 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:39:29")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418226 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:41:36")

"Core is a great beginner resource, but like all beginner resources, the biggest mistake you can make is spending too much time on it. Don't spend half a year doing 20 new cards a day to get through 6k. Do as many new cards as you can a day and just power the fuck through it. If you're still doing Core several months into learning Japanese you're doing something wrong.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418233 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:42:55")

you need to do your OWN deck obviously"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418238 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:44:27")

But how can I make a deck if I don’t know the vocab?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418248 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:45:41")

>learning more than 10 new words a day
enjoy that low retention level"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418260 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:47:15")

>"learning" anything from core
You learn by seeing the words used in real life. Core is there to get you some early exposure to make it easier to start reading.

If you can't get ~90% retention with more than 10 new cards a day you honestly must have brain damage, especially if you're making your own deck and not a shitty premade deck."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418261 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:47:22")

told you that you need to look for a list of most common words"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418269 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:48:47")

">make your own deck
>no native audio for the entire sentence
Making your own deck is a mistake."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418281 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:50:54")

>needing audio for simplest language
I can understand that if you're an anglo who needs to translate stuff like 'i' into 'ee' and other BS"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418284 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:51:22")

>don’t do core 2k/6k deck
>djt guide linked in every single op ever literally tells you to do core 2k/6k deck"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418287 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:51:43")

Making your own deck from a frequency list is retarded. Just use a premade deck if you want a frequency deck and then move to mining quickly."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418297 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:54:26")

I don't see anything but some flawed logic here
if your mom told you all your life that fags were normal would that make them normal indeed?

yeah that can be done too
but you can make a deck in a minute by using a spreadsheet, google it up buddy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418301 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:55:14")

I think this is pretty straightforward."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418308 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:55:58")

>>but you can make a deck in a minute by using a spreadsheet, google it up buddy
And lose the benefit of native audio, which contrary to what people with thick gaijin accents that even people who don't know Japanese can recognize, is actually useful."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418311 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:56:07")

What the fuck are you even babbling on about"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418316 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:57:17")

about you saying something is true only because it's repeatedly posted here, retardo"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418331 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)09:59:24")

The idea that one can go from skim reading Tae Kim to immediately attempting to tackle native reading materials without a basic foundation in vocab and kanji is fucking laughable. What an excellent “guide”."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418333 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:00:06")

You don't know Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418338 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:00:54")

what's bad about trying to read from day one while also mining and practicing vocab on that same day. instead of just practicing that vocab for a month before actually reading anything."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418339 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:00:55")

The link literally says to learn vocabulary before you start reading, anon. You definitely dont need to study kanji separately to be able to start reading."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418361 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:04:01")

You are actually clueless about language learning."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418371 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:04:57")

No, I don’t know Japanese, nobody here does, this is a thread for learning Japanese you smug little shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418372 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:04:57")

"that retard tells me I can't go through Graded Readers after Tae Kim xD
it's not like Tae Kim teaches you a handful of most basic words that will get you through those reads, right? and it's impossible to consult a dictionary during reading either, you MUST 'know' the one meaning of the word that someone has artificially chose for you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418384 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:06:06")

Embarassing post"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418390 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:06:32")

>it's not like Tae Kim teaches you a handful of most basic words that will get you through those reads, right?
Don't mine from TK. TK teaches artificial vocab."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418393 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:07:07")

you don't have to mine, you just remember those basic words and move on"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418401 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:08:06")

>remember those basic words
If you want to inculcate bad habits then be my guest."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418405 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:08:43")

are you telling me you had to mine words like 行く or 大人?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418412 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:09:50")

Remembering them is the same as mining them, except a little less extreme. It's still artificial and you should mine from real native material."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418422 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:11:08")

You just admitted you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your disdain towards the guide is completely unfounded and more smug than my comment you fucking arrogant faggot."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418425 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:11:34")

>I’m going to learn Japanese by reading anime which I can barely comprehend without consulting a dictionary/grammar every other word

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418432 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:11:58")

what the fuck are you talking about, why should I mine a word from native material if I already (roughly) know its meaning? are all coredeckers so autistic? you will never learn the language with such a conduct and energy wasted on retarded shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418440 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:12:59")

Who said you shouldn't consult a dictionary you moron?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418442 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:13:10")

">i'm going to start learning japanese after i've mined the coredeck for 2 years
>i will literally understand everything because i know every building block and that's just how it works
enough of sci-fi for today"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418452 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:14:13")

Well said, What i'm taking form the method is simply associating english words to the Kanji Radicals spicifically, Once i learn the radicals with english words i translate automatically as i learn the japanese for them on/kun.

So as you said it makes learning easier, so i'm ignoring all the stories BS and just using the character-english bit.
This was tought for me to initially do but i see now it makes remembering kanji easier.
I see a character and know it's "city" but might not know the japanese word for city, once i learn it and see/ remember the character i automatically translate to japanese, so you get the benefit of memory more than anything else."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418454 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:14:34")

Not exactly disdain, just a healthy scepticism."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418474 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:18:24")

It's not scepticism when you say it's "fucking laughable" it's unfounded disdain that you have for the guide because "it's shit and won't work" despite having admitted to being ignorant on the subject."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418475 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:18:24")

"so nobody has any actual suggestions about how to use core 2k/6k in practice and deal with the duplicate front cards?
despite dozens of djt fags boasting about their core 6k stats every thread?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418480 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:19:16")

are you telling me you didn't have to mine words like 雑誌 or 昼寝? (I mean you don't have to, but these words aren't as easy as those you picked. Don't get me wrong, I don't think mining all of TK is particularly useful but your point is kind of moot)

That's a strawman if I ever saw one. Try actually learning a foreign language before spouting nonsense on djt, this will save everyone's time including yours."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418481 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:19:24")

>deal with the duplicate front cards?
Just suspend or delete the duplicates."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418496 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:22:43")

for 上がる which three cards would you suspend?
>あがる go up, rise
>あがる get nervous, get stage fright
>あがる be completed
>あがる eat, drink"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418504 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:23:22")

I get your point but you did contradict yourself there, huh. 昼寝 is laughably easy when you have remember each of its kanji
雑誌 was a wod that just stuck in my mind

doesn't mean that it was like that with EVERY word, because he did use some hard ones, but I was talking about being able to read native media like Graded Readers w/ the vocab from the Guide
you don't need nor you'll encounter any of the high-brow words in those anyway"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418515 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:24:55" && image=="fsb.jpg")

"Someone please translate this for me please";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418525 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:26:14")

The last 3. It doesn't really matter, you're going to learn the other meanings eventually. Just go with your gut. Usually whichever one is introduced first in core is going to be more common than ones introduced later, especially if the ones introduced later are hundreds of cards away."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418553 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:31:34")

My retention on core is higher than my mining deck."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418565 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:33:02")

I am pretty sure Google Translate is enough for this shit.
The only part I didnt understand before googling was 税込"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418568 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:33:16" && image=="1518179101015.jpg")

What the fuck are you doing where you have bad retention on mined words? Are you fucking waiting 2 months before actually adding them to Anki and completely forgetting the context?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418575 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:33:52")

What do you mean "duplicate front cards"? You mean homonyms?
From what I recall those often come in pairs and are practically always adjacent, just learn all cards.

>昼寝 is laughably easy when you have remember each of its kanji
I don't disagree (far from it actually), but if you never came accross either component your point doesn't really hold. You could argue (and you'd be right) that it's pretty stupid to learn 昼寝 before coming accross 昼 or 寝 but you can't always do everything in the "right"/"natural" order when learning with native material.
As for the second part of your post, I didn't exactly follow your conversation as I was mainly reacting to what you said. about mining words from TK. But yes you're probably right."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418606 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:37:33")

>What do you mean "duplicate front cards"?
the default front card for core 2k/6k has just got kanji on the front and you have to recall the reading and meaning.
see for example

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418615 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:38:13")

Not a translation thread."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418624 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:38:56")

"Pro tip:

if you want raw anime on crunchyroll and want to use the html player extension just change the number in the url after ?ssid= to 0."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418639 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:40:45")

>From what I recall those often come in pairs and are practically always adjacent, just learn all cards.
they don't stay adjacent for long
plus, what if you remember a different reading/meaning to the one on the back, how do you know if you got it right or wrong (and should thus again the card)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418641 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:40:48")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418688 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:45:51")

Did you straight-up ignore the rest of my reply?
Just learn the cards like normal and recall all meanings/readings when you come accross any of the offenders.

The point of making 1 card by reading/meaning is to make sure you don't forget any. If you combined all 上がる cards for instance and knew all of its meanings except for one, how would you go about remembering that one pesky meaning?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418714 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:48:58")

"Ctrl + F "card" returns 78 results

What happened to this place"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418731 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:50:40")

ctrl+f ゲイ, only 6 matches
I agree this place has turned to shit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418744 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:52:09")

Liar, it returns 79 results

Liar, 7 matches"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418747 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:52:23")

I replied to the rest at >>19418639

so let's say you see 上がる and recall 3 of the meanings except the one that happens to be on the back, how did this flash card help you exactly? and how do you know that one of the 3 you thought you recalled isn't wrong?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418748 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:52:30")

Or just right click on the normal player and remove the subs."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418760 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:54:11")

"the key principle of flash-cards: one prompt -> one response
the core 2k/6k deck breaks this badly"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418762 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:54:46")

"It'd be cool if you could randomize the fonts on Anki. Probably could do some css shenanigans to do it.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418779 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:56:10")

But why would you want to randomize the font?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418796 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:57:25")


Get various versions of Kanji/kana."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418798 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:57:30")

>how did this flash card help you exactly?
It helped you make sure you knew that one meaning.
>how do you know that one of the 3 you thought you recalled isn't wrong?
It's very rare to mix up meanings, most you either recall them or you don't. Anyways, you can make sure it's not wrong the next time to concerned card pops up.

Anyways if this really bothers you you can always combine all the cards you want into one, but I strongly advise agains it as it defeats the point of SRS."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418813 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:59:05")

>defeats the point of SRS
this is literally what you are proposing though by breaking the "one prompt -> one response" concept"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418814 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:59:10")

Why? So you can get used to multiple fonts? Why do you people try to use flashcards for stuff you can get used to from exposure?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418823 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:00:04")

Which is why I strongly advise against it..."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418837 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:01:37")

i tried to tell them this shit but they dont listen

djt is a giant kiddie pool except the kiddies are gettin grown now and the picture gets uglier with every passing day to see a bunch of hairy ass fat ugly dudes grunting and spitting all over themselves while flipping through flashcards in a tiny ass plastic tub"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418838 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:01:42")

>advise against it
>Just learn the cards like normal and recall all meanings/readings when you come accross any of the offenders.
>recall all meanings/readings
do you even understand what you suggested?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418863 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:03:52")

>not that bad"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418864 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:03:54")

Propose a better way to deal with homonyms then!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418908 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:11:27")

"Can you use anki on your android smartphone? How?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418917 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:12:53")

the front of each card should be unique, that much I know
so there needs to be something to disambiguate different readings/meanings
I'm just not sure whether the fronts should be something like:
>上がる (movement)
>上がる (not: nervous, complete, consume)
or something else"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418920 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:13:05")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418928 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:13:43")

There's an app on google playstore. Just make an anki account and synchronize your deck in both devices."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418936 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:14:13")

Sound lads."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418941 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:14:42")

Well just fucking do it then!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19418971 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:18:07")

>Why do you people try to use flashcards for stuff you can get used to from exposure?
Because nobody here actually gets any exposure."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419020 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:24:57" && image=="press 2 make ur yumes come true.jpg")

"now that its finally been said maybe people can finally start learning nihongo..";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419036 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:27:34")

Sad thing is get the impression this is true from seeing the ammount of people discussing fucking flashcards and core in this thread."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419052 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:29:23")

Ok guys I wrote a script you guys might find helpful, it automatically does this without having to manually do anything every time. Just install tampermonkey add on and paste this into new script."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419062 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:30:30")

"this thread isnt about learning nihongo its about hanging outside the nihongo club smoking cigs and sitting on the curb and watching all the cool people walk in";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419073 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:31:17")

"I've been here for about 2 months now and still don't know any Japanese. Why is this allowed?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419101 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:34:05")

Only browse here to kill time in between reading sessions and this won't happen. Alternatively you could just start eating one meal so you can read for 10 hour straight without interuptions and never come here again."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419107 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:35:02")

I've never read before."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419115 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:35:19")

Anon from last year wrote this.
It uses this font pack

I never found it very helpful, but saved it as a curiosity."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419121 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:36:04" && image=="look at me now haters.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419134 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:37:17")

This is probably bait, but read more (not baby stuff, things you’re actually interested in no matter the difficulty)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419153 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:40:30" && image=="img_006.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419329 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:57:15")

Can you stop using this non-standard shit character holy fuck"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419358 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:00:46")

"whats‘ your issue";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419456 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:11:46")

"PowerfulAardvark btfo lmao";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419535 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:20:17")

"meanwhile at the djt afterparty"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419588 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:26:51")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419624 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:31:11")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419648 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:32:59")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419733 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:41:28")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419753 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:43:37")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19419872 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:57:17")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420143 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:38:39")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420168 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:40:50")

Finished kana, TaiKim and 1.5 month(51%) in RTK so far. I've heard manga is not a good study material so I'm looking up Light novels to kickstart my reading journey. Any recommendations?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420187 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:42:54")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420203 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:44:58")

"Any downloads for the Japanese Graded Readers?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420220 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:47:19")

If only we had some sort of centralized location where we stored a bunch of resources that we could link in the OP of threads to avoid getting questions like this. But I guess we can only dream of such a world."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420341 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:02:07")

History is passed down through word of *mouth* or by *arms*. Arms as in force/violence. My autistic brain came up with that after siting there for 6 minutes. Never forgot it though."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420353 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:03:32")

>and 1.5 month(51%) in RTK so far
Are you me? We started at similar times and have made similar progress."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420388 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:08:20")

I stole a story like "you're so bored in your history class that you fall asleep with your head resting in your arm. Your mouth hangs open." I visualized it for 2 minutes and then moved on. Haven't forgotten it since. Helps that I actually have been caught snoring in class before."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420462 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:19:24")

Good. Now replace the word 'history' with 歴シ in your card."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420465 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:20:15")

Can't. That kanji is currently "curriculum". And I can't learn vocab until I finish RTK. Matt's rules."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420481 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:24:08")

Like a cornucopia or something like that?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420599 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:40:57")

The best thing about these posts is that you never know whether they're ironic."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420700 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:55:50")

Only the Japanese Graded Reader Level 1 is on there, I'm looking for the other levels."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420740 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:01:14")

Wow, that is an equation you gotta explain to me.
1 = 3"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420749 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:02:38")

"stfu all";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420770 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:05:05")

Wtf are you saying retard? There are 3 volumes on there, they are all Level 1. There are levels 0-4 of Japanese Graded Readers. I'm looking for levels 0, 2 and 4. Need any more clarification?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420796 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:10:40")

I'm not being ironic."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420809 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:12:58")

do you have level 3?
I have a link for 2 and 4"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420811 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:13:03")

I actually finished kana and TK last year around November but hit a brick wall with kanji doing core deck. Learned all 200 odd radicals and that did jack shit. All that did was make the runes 100% to 95% illegible. After listening to polyglots, fluent learners, and the concept of how language is learned I found what I needed to get back to learning. Put my dick back in my pants and started RTK on june 1st. I'm on my way baby."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420816 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:14:56")

Sorry, typo. I only have Level 1. Can I get link for 2 and 4 please?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420828 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:16:23")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420830 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:16:32")

>Learned all 200 odd radicals and that did jack shit.
That's not possible. DJT said that if you're having trouble remembering words that you shouldn't do isolated kanji study and instead should do radical/component study. DJT couldn't be wrong."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420855 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:22:22")

if the thread mercifully dies I'll post it in the next one"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420857 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:22:30")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420869 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:25:11")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420878 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:26:32")

its ok to give up if you have no regrets

also millennials are such pussies

i also dont get all the american jokes"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420893 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:28:12")


Rate this guy's Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420894 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:28:32")

ok i actually lasted till he said ok so i watched this anime lmao"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420905 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:29:45")

vocaroo it im not downloading your aids laced mp3 file jeremy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420910 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:30:28")

" 「かかってきやがれ」ってどういう意味ですか?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420913 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:30:54")

king me"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420916 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:31:26")


Rate this guy's Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420969 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:38:34")

heres my 判断"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420980 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:39:36")

"id say hes better than matt and brit combined though";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19420988 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:40:33")

That's why I was wondering, because both Jeremy and Matt agreed that Jeremy was far worse than Matt."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==19421011 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:43:21")

"What's your excuse for not being this guy?"