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String comment = "Foreign language thread.
Are you learning a foreign language? Which one? Why? Share tips and resources. What literature do you want to read in it?
German here. Hope to one day read Kafka in original. And Rilke too, just now getting into him"

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907457 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)18:57:46")

Deutsch, auch hier. I am studying an interlinear book with short stories by Kafka and Storm. I want to be fluent In German because i just love the language."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907476 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:04:57" && image=="EF292E96-3246-4AA5-936D-B265E9B87881.jpg")

"I’m studying French becuase I want to have a Frenchfu who I can drink wine with and read books while in our 18th century villa overlooking our expansive vineyard planted across the rolling green and brown hills of the French coubtryside. There’s also some pretty cool French authors and people too I guess";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907501 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:11:22")

"Studying Japanese because its fun and I wanted to read Japanese lit and manga.

I am very proficient at reading Japanese now was thinking about German too actually.

Any place I should start or good textbook recs?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907509 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:12:54")

"I´ve been learning german for about 3 years now, on and off, having classes once a week. Just recently I started to manage to read some DW articles, and I´m very sad about this.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907524 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:16:04")

I recommend getting German to English interlinears, you could also try the textbook Deutsh Na Klar but its pretty pricey."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907557 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:30:05")

"Spanish learner here. I live in Texas and would like to travel throughout Latin America and Spain in the future.

don't bother learning a language unless you want to seriously use it (this isn't a knock at all against anyone here who wants to do serious reading in their target languages but rather against laoshu types)

resource and tip: Duolingo is a good complement to any formal class or self study, but know when to walk/heavily draw down your dosage.
If you are learning a language on duo that has stories available, use these as soon as you feel comfortable. They will serve as a bridge to native content like TV, movies etc.

Also find a newspaper and read an article or two a day.
Next step for me is to move on to some Octavio Paz once I expand my vocab a bit more."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907575 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:34:27")

"I took French in high school for two years like 7 years ago. What's a good way to jump back in?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907603 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:39:45")

"I'm currently learning english. I can write and read at a decent level but I don't understand a shit when I have to listen. How to improve?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907609 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:41:06")

Read up on some Stephen Krashen and comprehensible input"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907613 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:42:17")

read along with audiobooks, watch (English language) movies with (English) subs, basically anything where you can read and listen at the same time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907619 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:43:39")

"Learning both Japanese and Latin for double the autism points.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907638 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:48:28")

duolingo is a free and pretty fun way to get back into a language you've studied in the past. Start at the very basics, and before you know it, you'll have made a whole bunch of progress, especially once you are ready to go through the interactive stories.
One weak spot though is that it can be really shit when it comes to grammar. Check the discussions though and you can typically fine some quality explanations from the userbase. If need be supplement with a website just for French grammar tips."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907642 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)19:49:34")

Neat, how's it going anon?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907729 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)20:12:37")

Can you read Mishima or pre1946 literature?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11907802 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)20:27:28")

Fairly well. Declensions and conjugations were much quicker to memorise than I expected. I speak a Romance language natively and vocabulary is generally easy to grasp, though I'm going through a list of the thousand most common words anyway. I'll probably have started reading by next week.

Learning Japanese is completely unlike Indo-European languages, which seem far less foreign after you've been exposed to a genuinely exotic one. The grammar is easy, though unusual. Kanji are the hardest part, despite being less daunting than they initially appear after one studies radicals and is able to decompose them into their constituent elements. I think I'll be capable of reading easy material by next month."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908145 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)21:44:15")

Depends on the book. Sound of Waves and Temple of the Golden Pavilion were alright. Kyoko's House handed me my ass."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908179 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)21:53:52")

"What language should I learn if I'm also looking for a backup plan for escaping the U.S. if I ever need to? (white male)";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908196 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)21:56:27")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908208 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)21:58:00")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908450 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)22:45:47")

Sweet! Keep up the good work desu."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908456 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)22:47:15")

"homeric greek for yknow";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908461 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)22:48:47")

"Russkiy and Norsk here";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908464 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)22:49:23")

I've been studying Spanish for four years now, doing my Senior thesis class about Don Quijote. My goal was to be able to read Cervantes, but I don't think I will ever be done learning (which is a good thing)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908472 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)22:51:02")

first good choice in the thread


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908771 && dateTime=="10/09/18(Tue)23:51:47")

Another student of German checking in, I've been reading Jugend Ohne Gott but I'm struggling with it. Want to read
And all the Russians, because I've heard that Russian to German translations work better than Russian to English."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11908853 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)00:07:43")

Kek. Someone post the "dont learn Mandarin" horror green text stories from that dude in China"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909018 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)00:41:29")

Really wanna see these. I hop on duolingo and lingodeer to learn some Mandarin characters, but don't really see it as "learning a language" yet.
When my work hours are more regular and predictable, I plan to hop into a weekly group class or something like that. I speak some French and Cantonese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909183 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)01:30:21")

>And all the Russians, because I've heard that Russian to German translations work better than Russian to English.
Interesting, haven't heard this before"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909244 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)01:48:25")

tldr version is basically learning Mandarin has the effect of making you sucked into China more where you will have to deal with the Chinese in a very immediate pressing and fucked up way. If you just want to learn Mandarin for your own personal reasons I see no problem but learning Mandarin to go work and live in China is most likely a terrible idea."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909717 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)04:45:46")

I'm a Japanese translator but I just started on German last week actually. I don't particularly care about speaking German that much, but there is a lot of written works i'd like to get through."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909747 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)04:54:54")

"Learn French if you want to read or speak French. That's what I'm doing. I do whatever the eff I want, besides the terrible things. French has a lot of stuff. Though, I'd rather not live in that country called France. You should listen to each tongue and listen to its sound and find its beauty and the people and the peoples beauty and whatnot.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909753 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)04:56:48")

"I'm learning german because it's the one I have a GCSE in already so it gave me a very tiny head start

I can read it pretty well know but forming my own sentences in the correct tense is pretty difficult still."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909768 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)05:01:45")

mabye you wanna jis goin read up bout somatha slang words cause americans talk rull quick"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11909824 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)05:26:38")

In house or freelance? I know a couple translators who say it is a shit job. Just trying to justify their N1s and being able to say they aren't English teachers"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910082 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)06:58:54")

"I took the russopill. I might have a look at Spanish or maybe even Irish after.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910097 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)07:05:14")

that's very exaggerated
the Chinese aren't my favourite people in the world, but they're nowhere near as bad as that thing made out. It's like that Russians in South Africa thing people love to post too. I'm South African and I lived in China for a year. I can say both are wrong."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910141 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)07:33:56")

"I want to go back to get into Mandarin.
I was planing to up my vocabulary to levels where I can read easy Wuxia/Xianxia novels."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910175 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)07:48:40")

"There any good podcasts series or something for while im at work for learning a language? Thinking german. Will I look autistic if I repeat the words from it out loud?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910186 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)07:54:22")

vk com/public30268849
vk com/indeutsch

here guys, probably the only place I know you can get them for free

and also this:"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910207 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)07:59:46")

There were some podcasts actually teaching German, but I found them less useful than traditional study books with CDs. Once I'd got up to a certain level I switched to using YouTube stuff like Easy German and German with Jenny which have a bit more authentic comprehension content.

I can read a newspaper fine and watch movies without subs but feel like the stuff I'd like to be reading e.g. Mann is still too dense in new vocabulary to enjoy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910210 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)08:00:37" && image=="1537205715040.gif")

they are good, I read master and margarita in my native language and hated it, later I reread it and german and loved it much more,

I've read dosto, tolstoy, gogol, lermontov and probably some others in german as well, have not much to complain about"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910212 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)08:01:10")

>I’m from a shithole and moved to a shithole
lol ok"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910305 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)08:32:30")

"I took a dip in the deep end when I decided to learn Irish gaelic. Quite frankly its a gigantic pain in the ass and learning spanish in school and bits of Russian were 10x easier. In a way its quite easy and at the same time quite difficult to find resources to learn it. Still, it sounds beautiful and Im told that once it clicks, its extremely easy. The grammar has very few irregularities, same with spelling. There is a substantial community around learning it but it’s honestly a pretty shit one, usually quite judgemental about which dialect you’re trying to learn and whether your irish is any good. Theres also the problem of people constantly making the mistake of directly translations from english to Irish and the languge itself slowly morphing to accomodate more english influence. Its a wild ride, but I really want to teach it to my kids eventually as a first language along with english and hopefully another language, and I really want to crack into irish literature like the Táin and Cré na cille. Ive got time and patience but its frustrating.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910344 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)08:45:41")

"What's the point of learning if you aren't going to communicate ? If you are doing it to read books then it's a daunting task. I've been using ESL since forever and still don't enjoy reading books in English";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910382 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)08:57:32")

t. brainlet
Reading in a foreign language is a new, extraordinary experience. Feels like winning a hard game of chess every time I do it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910390 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)09:02:18")

t. insecure ego. You are <21 aren't you?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910419 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)09:10:05")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910519 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)09:45:06")

My family moved to Australia when I was a teenager. From there, it's very easy to spend a bit of time working in China given the amount of trade between the two."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11910553 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)10:00:51")

"はい, 日本語を勉強している。のは漢字と文法けどほんと難しいです。日本語の文法を嫌い。日本語は同音異義語を多すぎている。";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11911401 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)13:51:25")

"Made another thread for this without realizing

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11911542 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)14:27:19" && image=="IMG_20180819_173130.jpg")

On the same note, does anyone have any recs for podcasts in French? I'm looking for something to practice listening to conversations, so something like the French equivalent to Joe Rogan?

Radio France puts out news podcasts, but they're a bit too formal/boring."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11911590 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)14:36:07" && image=="IMG_2568.jpg")

">tfw have been trying to pick up some russian on/off for the last year but cannot into russian alphabet

What is the point brothers? I might as well just admit i'm a brainlet and end it all"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11911636 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)14:47:09")

you can learn Cyrillic in a day mate"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11912273 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)17:05:44")


I can guarantee you haven't actually tried. There's like 10 letters you need to learn that aren't shared with the latin alphabet. It should literally take no more than an hour to look them up and see how they sound, and then you just practice reading stuff."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11912618 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)18:29:24")

"Learning French - I love the language, abhor learning it, there are so many stupid fucking arbitrary rules, exceptions to those rules, exceptions to the exceptions, its awful.

Been learning esperanto for a few months, and I'm conversational. I will be fluent soon."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11913637 && dateTime=="10/10/18(Wed)21:54:36")

"Japanese, it's meh. Pretty much everything in it kicks my ass and I've been reading something in it everyday for years. Watched a guy get better at it from zero in 1 year than I am right now. Anyway, I continue force feeding myself equal parts Natsume Soseki and Twitter conversations hoping one day I'll find parsing grammar easy.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914288 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:01:27")

Cringeing lad, keep studying till you get better. You will make it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914298 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:05:26")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914311 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:06:44")

Υποθέστε το όνομα αυτών που μελέτη Ι."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914334 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:10:48")

Learning German for college learn german with anja has been the most useful. can't wait to read my real language nazi books."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914362 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:15:20")

I am learning German. My favorite resource has been Assimil.
Come join us in /lang/

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914366 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:15:34")

>Being this ascended of a Stormfag.

Still give you credit for learning a new language."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914374 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:16:30")

"French, Spanish, Russian and Italian

I actually do a lot of my learning via YouTube, watching /lit/ discussion channels with subtitles. It's gotten me pretty good at the conversational stuff. Went to Cuba and acted as a translator for my family which was a nice feeling."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914383 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)00:17:30")

I'm learning german too but ive hit a stump and lost motivation."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914544 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:01:34" && image=="nanssuka.png")



You should try reviewing は/が topic particles. For instance in, 「日本語の文法を嫌い」, 嫌い is similar to 好き in that they are most often used as adjectives. が is the appropriate particle here. Same for your last sentence with 多い .
It's a little weird to not use kanji all the way through, and you also misspelled it as well: 「本当/ほんとう」.
I don't know what the 「のは」bit is, and 「けど」is a conjunction particle that connects two ideas. Effectively what you have said is, "~kanji and grammar but really hard."

Nip is hard and a lot of their lingual ideas and morphology is very different from English. The best thing you can do is read. For me, I had always thought that mere imitation won't beget the entire grammatical structure, but there are too many niches that your incomplete knowledge stretches over. Either way, you need more input, not just grammar/vocab, but actual sentences made by actual people. 頑張ろ~"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914553 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:03:25")

Matt is that you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914582 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:09:39")

"Dansk so I can read Kierkegaard.
Deutsch so I can read Kant."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914590 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:11:09")

But you still Kant.
You have my Kierkegaards."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914693 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:33:29")

Duolingo is great, but LingoDeer ist better when it comes to Japanese and Chinese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914718 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:39:37")

"Got a German test on Monday
It feels different studying for a foreign language test than it does something like History or Science. I haven't yet figured out how to properly study for it yet"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914760 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:51:23")

"Why are so many people studying German? You polfags will never be in the SS just stick to LARPing";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914770 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:55:02")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914778 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)01:57:38")

Taiwan is a great place tho plus there's some really incredible Taiwanese cinema"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914796 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)02:03:25")


Fuck off faggot."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914822 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)02:12:02")

I refuse, sensitive so᠌yboy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914851 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)02:20:45")

Probably because of the large amount of literature and it's probably one of the easier languages for English speakers to learn"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11914898 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)02:38:43")

>unironically uses basedboy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915047 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)03:31:39")

is it bad for the world when people learn other languages?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915173 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)04:23:03")

Give it time, I only started really enjoying reading in English after a few books (then again I was only B2/C1 before)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915177 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)04:26:29")

Hm? I never used "basedboy""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915184 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)04:32:04")


Have been reading Flaubert's Sentimental Education for more than one month. Reading the French text and keeping the translation nearby for when I can't figure out what something means even with a dictionary. It's a chore sometimes, though the book is great, but I think I'm making great progress. I'd be curious to know how difficult this book is in comparison to other French ones."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915218 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)04:58:59")

"Would I be able to study for and pass a French B2 test with 3 months of study? I'm already reasonably proficient in reading and writing.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915230 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)05:04:15")

"Latin and french here, previously learned english.
I tried german but it didn't satisfy me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915461 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)07:19:17")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11915509 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)07:35:54")

"anyone learning russian?
what resources are you using?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11916487 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)12:54:16")

Wow that format is amazing. Got any more?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11916856 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)14:20:46")

Joining in with the Deutschbros.
Self-study without taking a dedicated course.
>1) Grammar:
Lehr- und Übungsbuch, brutal amount of exercises, got a version from rutracker that's completely in German, including the grammar rules. Initially difficult, but gives a big motivation boost once you realise you automatically understand this stuff.
>2) Reading and listening:
Graded German reader torrent. Two big releases over at that I've been going through slowly. Most have both scans and audio. They are simple books and stories with German places and culture sometimes with some unusual terms explained in pictures or in German, and even a fair deal of total autism with characters speaking regional dialects.
>3) Vocabulary:
Anki, the '4000' collection with audio. Do as often as possible, ideally every day. Forget memrise and duolingo, they are snake oil wanna-be social hubs designed to give you endorphin, not results.
>4) Speaking:
Not much progress here beyond subvocalizing and soliloquy. I may try some skype once I feel more comfortable.
>5) Immersion:
Classical music. Bach's oratorios, cantatas are both some of the most sublime music and incredibly moving lyrically. For lighter stuff, I have lots of Schubert and Schumann Lieder (german poems set to music). There's also Wagner, but that's a huge undertaking. Haven't touched and TV or cinema yet, but if someone can recommend something understandable, then please do.
>6) Podcasts:
Two sources:
'Slow German' from time to time which is very easy.
Deutsche Welle podcasts like the Langsam Gesprochene Nachrichten and a bunch of others. I'm at a point I can understand most of it and actually begin being slightly annoyed at the slow pace of those. I also more easily get the other podcasts which aren't read as slowly as the Nachrichten. This is a good thing to keep you motivated.
>7) A little motivational quirk:
I have Demian that I've planned to read slowly with a dictionary or once my vocab gets better, but I actually found the intro to the book very efficient to remind myself how good the language sounds every time I'm slacking instead of studying. I almost memorized it by now. My dad who's fluent in German said that's how he studied the language decades before, by memorizing news, etc.

Of course consistency is the most important factor here, but I found it's easier to be consistent if you don't let it bore you, so just rotate resoueces and do blocks of focus: few days of this, few days of that, and you should be fine.

If someone could recommend a similar set of Russian or Italian resources, I'd be obliged."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11917125 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)15:28:14")

Memrise can actually be pretty good for learning vocabulary, useful phrases, and typing skills, but the official courses have issues with things like separable verbs and modal particles. I prefer it to Anki, because I actually have to type out the words.
Check out the language thread on >>>/t/ for Russian and Italian resources."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11917682 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)17:35:35")

>Les Trois Mousquetaires (Doppeltext)
>Also sprach Zarathustra (Doppeltext)
>Discours de la Méthode (Wolf Pup)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11917708 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)17:41:35")

"I am Danish but writing a PhD in English literature whilst living in Germany (and being fluent in German). I also lived in Japan for a year and can read hiragana and katakana, but I can't really hold a conversation very well.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11917725 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)17:44:51")

"¿Quien le gustan Borges?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11917748 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)17:50:23")

There's also a free Spanish short story on Amazon from Doppeltext."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11917980 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)18:32:42")

Nice write up anon, thanks
>Haven't touched and TV or cinema yet, but if someone can recommend something understandable, then please do.
I can help with this. Not much for TV, I do know Netflix has a German show called Dark which I've heard good things about
As for movies
>Das Boot
>The Lives of Others
>Movies of Rainer Werner Fassbinder
Phoenix (2014) I actually just watched last night at my uni, my German professor put it on. Really great recent German film. Pretty interesting premise, recommend checking it out."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918044 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)18:52:32")

Do you know of any place I can get something like this but french and Spanish?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918263 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)19:44:39")

Step 1:
Assimil (both, old and new version)
Cornelsen Grammatik Aktiv a1-b1

Step 2:
Cornelsen Grammatik Aktiv b2-c1 (this one is ok when you have finished both Assimil)

Deutsche welle Top Thema & Alltags Deutsch (text and audio): on a daily basis

With these steps you'll learn German in 18 months approx."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918281 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)19:48:39")

¿A quién le gusta Borges?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918327 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)20:00:21")

unfortunately no. doppeltext has a couple of spanish/german ones but not a single spanish/french one."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918433 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)20:23:25")

"Speak about 6 languages.
This is all I do anymore."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918465 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)20:32:02")

Mostly German but I also try to improve my English speaking skills, you guys have no idea how hard pronouncing “th” is for someone with Borat accent."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918613 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)21:16:22")

"Currently trying to teach myself Latin, both Ecclesiastical and Classical. I'm at the very beginning stages however. I have got a hold of a 1800s print of Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, 100% in Ecclesiastical Latin. I'm working with these sites:
plus a free PDF of a good Latin textbook I found somewhere a while back."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918731 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)21:46:26")

main one i'm using is RT's Learn Russian website, which is fucking LIT, i find it extremely good, only problem is the audio, which requires Flash to play

then there is, which is good as well, and that open Russian dictionary, for conjungations and declensions..

imo Russian is a really cool language, and i find it amusing that it structurally similar to Latin (noun cases and declensions).. and i say that coming from a Romance language as native.."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11918765 && dateTime=="10/11/18(Thu)21:54:58")

and just to ask, does anyone know or have resources for learning Italian?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11919423 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)00:43:30")

"planning to start with Hungarian because a couple of authors refer to Hungarian literature as a ''dark jewel'' that remained in the shadows, away from the canon

any Hungarian can confirm?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11919520 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)01:13:49")

I've never read any Hungarian books, but it definitely is an interesting language from a linguistic perspective. It, along with Finnish and Estonian, is one of those weird, non-Indo European languages that Europeans speak."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11919527 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)01:17:05")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11919543 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)01:20:03")

Well then you must be really lazy because I learned Cyrillic within 2 days when I was fucking 12, never used it again a single time until I was 17, and picked it up again within an hour.

Come back when you're trying to write in Tamil or Georgian or something."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11919603 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)01:43:35")

Cyrillic might be difficult for him because it is used to spell Russian words most of which don't sound like anything in particular. In fact, they sound rather like Enochian or some other demonic tongue, or perhaps random sequences of letters. If he is himself a Slav though, then he has no excuse."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11920146 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)05:04:14")

Russian nominal grammar is what you'd get if you abolished the entire Latin 3rd declension along with gender distinctions in the plural, but kept the syntax anyway... so that it all still works along the same old lines, neuter plurals being replaced by neuter singulars for the most part. Old Russian used to have multiple declension paradigms as Czech still does, but they were regularized away.
That said, Russian verbs are an invention of a different world. Barely even close, in my opinion."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11920190 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)05:33:16")

Polish is the most latinised slav language."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11920216 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)05:46:45")

Dutch, but that's because I somehow ended up in netherlands.

My level is nowhere near high enough yet to read dutch lit, but I can sense they have some good writing because the covers of books at the store seem very lit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11920411 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)07:42:24")

"Trying to learn German. Learned a bit from my ex and her family. Right now I'm mostly watching tv in German w/out subs. I just make sure I watch something simple with lots of visual cues. They have lots of stuff to watch on burning series.
Also, I'm reading a chapter a day in German children's books as well and doing the Anki 4000 most frequent word thing.
Gonna buy some books for grammar as well, but right now I'm broke.
My Spanish learning is a bit on hiatus right now because I'm sorta in a rush to learn German, but I still read in Spanish to keep it fresh."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11920494 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)08:10:29")


I'm Danish and usually read in English, but I gotta admit Kierkegaard is so damn nice to read in Danish."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11920675 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)09:07:49")

Read Gottfried Feder"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11921707 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)14:26:47")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11921731 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)14:32:46")

do you find that there's anything lost if you just read him in English? I wouldn't think so since the languages are so similar."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11922232 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)16:26:56")

"Why is it so hard to offer helping people with a language you're fluent in without sounding like someone desperate for a position of authority?

oh right

That's an impressively good studying regime; definitely gonna make it

If any German or Japanese learners want help with the classics hit me up"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11922440 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)17:07:43")

try Reading for German or German for Reading I forget what it's called.

but its good. I've gone through to chapter 10 and it's probably been the single best resource for me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11922454 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)17:09:48")

The doppeltext website has kafkas metamorphosis free"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11922606 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)17:32:17")

I'm teaching myself Farsi. I want to read their poetry. Attar, Rumi, Ferdousi, all of it.

The American Foreign Service has created about a million different resources for all sorts of languages. There's also this Mega:!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A
if you're the book oriented sort. But you need to supplement that with chats with natives."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923257 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)19:53:26")

>If any German or Japanese learners want help with the classics hit me up
I'm >>11913637, would you say I'm beyond help or do I still have hope? I'm open to pretty much anything short of quitting Japanese."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923333 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)20:14:44")

You've tackled Souseki so obviously you're not an eternal slacker. Definitely within can make it territory.
The best way to learn the language is to read stuff you enjoy reading yet is a tad too hard for you. What's your endgame? Souseki, Dazai, Mishima etc? Some LNs or VNs?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923570 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)21:09:12")

I want to read essentially what I think is called 純文学, so the classical authors, especially Soseki and Dazai. VNs and LNs don't seem as enticing to me, but being honest I have not read much of either. I'm excited by kanji.

I'm gonna go emo for a bit.
Hardest thing for me is grammar. I never translate, but I can't make comprehending it a natural act. Reading kanji slows me down, parsing grammar slows me down further, yet this all happens essentially regardless of what I'm reading. It's been some time since I watched anime, but I remember rewinding the long phrases because I couldn't understand them at the speed they were delivered. But forget speed, I still have no clear idea of what some of even the simple stuff does.

I see people remarking on Japanese grammar being easy for them. I would love to know how they do it. It's just... so not for me."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923648 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)21:27:53")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923707 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)21:41:48")

wow pretty cool stuff... old ass text books really have a flair to them. was browsing that 1807english grammar book"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923738 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)21:49:58")

Any good resources for learning Mandarin? I speak at an intermediate level, but can only read at a lower intermediate level."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923936 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)22:39:54")

"Anyone learning korean?
I can just about read but I'm still really directionless on where to go with the language. Would love someone elses input or adviice."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11923975 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)22:47:45")

"who /russian/ here?
I love that language I dont even know why."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924262 && dateTime=="10/12/18(Fri)23:50:26")

>French equivalent to Joe Rogan

I need this."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924407 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)00:50:41")

"highly recommend you lads check out the /lang/ general on /int/ very comfy";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924525 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)01:28:20")

It's mostly a bunch of losers trolling each other all the time, the lang threads on /lit/ are vastly superior."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924533 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)01:31:31")

I know Korean pretty well, it's a very difficult language for most foreign learners. more so bc there's so few good resources. I used Vincent/Yeon's Complete Korean when I was starting out, it's still the best thing I've seen to get your foot in the door."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924548 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)01:34:00")

if you want to read well you're just going to have to suffer and learn the characters, unfortunately. there are lots of readers you can buy with word lists and all that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924623 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)02:09:01")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11924669 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)02:29:34" && image=="Cartoon.png")

First time i saw beauty of russian is when i was on harkach reading insults anons came up with(and some pastas)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11925507 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)09:00:23")

"Does anyone have good resources for the study of both classical and modern Chinese?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11925570 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)09:19:09" && image=="discord.png")

Don't fall for the "Japanese grammar is easy" meme. It's a technically sorta yeah I guess opinion that you're better off just ignoring.
Japanese grammar is simple in the sense of there not being any conjugation tables to memorize, tenses or conditionals to keep track of nor any additional extra rules to know for when grammar x meets grammar y, but it has an extremely difficult component in that it requires a lot of experience to digest even basic grammar consistently: Most languages allow you to say one thing in a dozen different ways, from where you then rely on more specific grammar rules to pick the "correct" ones out of them. Japanese is different in that regard; there usually are no "more specific" grammar rules*, you just have to learn/get used to what phrasing people use for what intentions. This goes over lots of people's heads, who instead first look at the simple grammar, secondly the scary kanji and then go "Well, Japanese is factually a hard language to learn, and the grammar is simple enough, so it must be them kanjies that make it so hard," when in reality learning 5 kanji that allow you to construct 10 words is no harder than learning 10 entirely different words like in different languages.
*There actually are, they're just inconveniently hard to formulate and a mystery to 95% of natives themselves. This is the stuff that's tested on nihongokentei exams.

t. online linguistics specialist

Just rephrasing what you said here, but maybe it shows you a different perspective: Your issue lies in not having enough mileage to smoothly zero in on the intended meaning of "simple" grammar constructs, despite having already encountered a lot of advanced grammar due to attempting proper literature, putting you in a spot of feeling like you understand less than you should.

From here I'd recommend reading literature that tests your comprehension of Japanese sentence structure without bombarding you with too many different grammar constructs (Think something like a complex construct made of simple shapes rather than a simple construct made of complex shapes). This probably sounds like a bunch of buzzwordery, but some more extreme cases of this kind of writing you could check out right now are Dazai's No Longer Human, Nisioisin's Zaregoto, as well as just about any native's writing that was not edited by a professional afterwards:
Note that these aren't the best examples of what I'm talking about, just the best out of the stuff I've read myself. Also note that these will make you feel a lot more hopeless than you already do.

Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe for more nippongese insights. Pic related is my discord if you've got questions about no longer human/want to discuss it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11926771 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)14:43:51")

Thank you a lot for the response.

>t. online linguistics specialist
The above rings true enough for me, at least from the perspective of someone only really familiar with English and related languages. I've gotten better at understanding what certain phrasings normally mean in Japanese and how they interact with certain contexts, and I've noticed how often acquiring understanding boils down to knowing in advance what this or that phrase is used for--meanwhile, if you take a mechanical, Latin-esque approach to grammar, you'll find that many colloquial Japanese phrases could theoretically mean almost anything... and usually not what they really do. Usually it's something fairly specific and reusable, encoded in word choice and such. So you have to be either good with getting everything from the absolutely minimal information that formal grammar provides (which is not my case) or at least keep brainstorming, or just know it all and expend no special effort (which is I assume what Japanese speakers do). Of course, it's possible we don't notice how idiomatic English is in turn, but I still think that English is a lot more interpretable across the board with a knowledge of much less, even if you're still going to miss out on the nuance.

>Your issue lies in not having enough mileage to smoothly zero in on the intended meaning of "simple" grammar constructs, despite having already encountered a lot of advanced grammar due to attempting proper literature, putting you in a spot of feeling like you understand less than you should.

I'll try reading the books that you recommend for my feel, and thank you again."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11926947 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)15:25:31")

"I've been trying to decide on a foreign language to learn. An issue I've been having is that I want to learn to speak a language in order to interact with native speakers/ the broader culture, but I don't know enough about these cultures to make an informed decision.

Anyone have any recommendations on how to resolve this? An example is that I'm interested in learning German but have heard that it's a pretty boring country/people and doesn't have modern literature that's that interesting. I know those are likely stereotypes but I'm still concerned. Any advice would be appreciated"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11927071 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)15:49:19")

what about French or Spanish? they'd give you access to several cultures each."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11927797 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)18:26:06")

i would not say German is boring, but if you ain't happy learning it just drop it..

as for how to decide which language to learn, seek out some sources on lists of famous/influential cultural works (e.g.: books, movies, music, maybe even games) of a language and decide if it is worth it or not..

like, i'm learning Russian primarily 'cause i enjoyed Roadside Picnic, am currently reading Crime and Punishment, and i also enjoyed some Russian vidya games, like Metro2033 and STALKER (yes, i know it "technically" is not Russian, but close enough), and some Russian movies, like Stalker(again), Solaris, and Gentlemen of Fortune
(by the way, some Russian movies are available on youtube on this particular channel, it's fucking kino, some of them are even HD

i've also seen some people recommending choosing a language from different "roots" from those you already know... like learn one Romance language, one anglo-saxon, one Slavic, one "Arabic", 'n' shit like that..

after ye're made yer choice, look out for some resources on grammar, initial vocab, and then read stuff, listen to podcasts of natives, watch movies of that culture"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11927969 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)18:54:02")

How can a country even be "boring"? Like, seriously, what does that mean? What's a non boring country and why?
Hard mode: no Japan or USA

>doesn't have modern literature that's that interesting
If you're out for modern literature you'd be better off using the time you might spend studying a language on reading modern literature in English instead.
As far as literary classics go, no other language has so much literary value for nearly as many different cultural movements as German does."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11928595 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)21:29:38")

"Huge spotify playlist of German music"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11929084 && dateTime=="10/13/18(Sat)23:36:54")

"For me it's עברית, the one and only holy language";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11929306 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)00:40:57")

Are you learning Russkiy with the same resources as >>11918731 ?

If you use any other methods or resources, could you please elucidate?
I took some Russian classes in the summer, and got credit for one semester. I'm taking Russian 2 next semester, but I've forgotten most everything. I want to develop a self study regimen so that by the time next semester rolls around (mid-January) I will hopefully be ahead. I think everything will come back fairly well once I start though.
Right now my biggest problem is with pronunciation. I'm a native English speaker and it is hard for me. (Japanese is laughably easy in comparison). So if you have any anki decks that have audio included, preferably with male voices, I would greatly appreciate it (don't want to sound like a Russkaya). But really I'd be happy for any tips! Please share resources for Russian if you'd be so kind.
If that's too much to ask, do you know of any groups for Russian that are similar to what the Daily Japanese Thread is like, with the guides and resources, so I could use those?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11930968 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)10:10:53")

If you like Russian games, try playing Ice Pick Lodge's games. Pathologic and The Void are their best, with Pathologic being a personal favourite. It's very clunky, but there's absolutely nothing else like it"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11931366 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)11:56:51")

>>11907433 (OP)

I'm also trying to learn German, thank you all for your advices. What I can add to the list is some recent german series you could watch:

Deutschland 83
Babylon Berlin - this last has three seasons

In terms of movies of course check out Werner Herzog together with the ones you already mentioned. Another advice I'd been given is to try and figure out articles by myself a little bit every day.

Any other advice to improve vocabulary beside Anki? I have tried it a couple of years ago and find it very boring. I know it is effective but if there was any other way, I'd be grateful!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11931679 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)12:54:28")

Dark is an OK show and it has German audio and subtitles. Memrise is more interactive than Anki but the app is way different from the desktop site."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11931688 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)12:55:58")

sanskrit would like a word with you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932099 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)14:11:26")

I wouldn't give it the time of the day"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932140 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)14:22:23")

य़ोउ अरे होमोसेक्षुअल्"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932425 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:25:18" && image=="deer.jpg")

"I studied English, German and French in school, and in the past I've learned the basics of several other languages just for fun. Currently I only practise the languages by reading and shitposting.

When I go to uni (illness prevented me from starting this year) I intend on majoring in German. Since I'm fairly introverted I'll probably end up as a translator or copywriter."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932444 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:29:58")

Was ist deine Muttersprache?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932451 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:30:41")

you guys should get the book The New penguin Russian course.

It's very straightforward but it teaches you almost everything you need to know about Russian grammar"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932463 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:34:04")

I will look into it, thanks.
Have you heard of the GOLOSA textbook series? That is what my uni uses. Just wondering what the general consensus is on it from the community."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932500 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:43:07")

I actually do have one or two of those but I never did much of it, because I didn't really like the way it was set up. I just memed my way into learning Russian on my own, so I don't really know much about the standards. I do know that that book gives you a very firm grasp on the grammar though, and it does it in a way that is less taxing than a traditional 19th century style grammar, but not so superficial as a lot of contemporary language books that don't do enough to explain the mechanics of the language.

That along with dual-language English-Russian texts brought me to a basic rough fluency within a year or so, and an ability to read actual classic Russian lit after about 3 years. The dual-language texts are honestly invaluable, your brain automatically starts like rewiring to understand how the languages differ.

I recommend doing a lot of exercises, the ability to recall makes the ability to recognize much more stably founded.

obviously if you dont have people to speak the language with you will never be able to speak it properly but you can learn to read and write it pretty much on your own."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932516 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:47:07")

">Tfw native german
>Tfw had to read stuff like faust, schimmelreiter and der reigen in school
>Tfw found it absolutely boring and hated the language"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932528 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:49:00")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932563 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)15:54:53")

Where to find good German news articles?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932607 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)16:05:26" && image=="4034892-lars.jpg")

makes sense"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11932908 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)17:12:20")

a "boring" country probably just means "somewhere not immediately obviously foreign". your own culture is invisible to you, after all"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11933132 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)17:51:48")

Thank you for your reply. I'm glad to hear that the Golosa books are good, as the grammar was what tripped me up the most. I've taken "immersion" style classes on the language, but because of how often the pronouns change and whatnot I had a tough time.
And that is a good point on the dual language texts, I will have to look in my universities library for some.
The exercises is good advice, that's what helped me the most in Japanese is just repping it out. And I'll have my classmates to speak with, along with a Russkiy friend and there's also a Russian Orthodox church nearby. So hopefully I won't have too bad of an accent, although I can't roll my r's. (I heard that was a cute accent though)
Thanks for your advice anon"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11933133 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)17:52:14")

Deutsche Welle, I'm using the app. As a beginner, you should use nachrichtenleicht, it's also an app."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==11934001 && dateTime=="10/14/18(Sun)20:43:22")

"Any recommendation about French podcasts and news with subtitles like the DW ones?";