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String comment = "Old one just hit the limit, time for another one! Post interesting infos, images and videos about trains in Japan.

Old thread: >>1134227"

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1181631 && dateTime=="04/25/18(Wed)09:52:40" && image=="de20a467da6760114f4fa1d537831f00.jpg")

Hot damn, I never posted in this thread- but I never thought I'd see the last one actually hit the limit.

Here, have Jap Thomas."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1181794 && dateTime=="04/26/18(Thu)03:17:39" && image=="1433216280272.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1181953 && dateTime=="04/26/18(Thu)17:16:30")

"Best thread on /n/.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1181956 && dateTime=="04/26/18(Thu)17:48:58")

"Is there old wooden track or bolted rail in Japan's network yet?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1181978 && dateTime=="04/26/18(Thu)19:12:07")

one fat boi"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1182107 && dateTime=="04/27/18(Fri)08:49:54")

Pretty common on rural local lines, private suburban railways serving smaller cities, less used branches of major private railways and main lines in Hokkaido."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1182716 && dateTime=="04/29/18(Sun)03:14:11" && image=="Keikyun1000-kzb-kzh.png")

"here's a wallpaper I made of the KEIKYU N1000. love the motor sound";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1182827 && dateTime=="04/29/18(Sun)10:29:46")

Is this elevator /jrg/ ?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1182835 && dateTime=="04/29/18(Sun)10:49:22")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1183170 && dateTime=="04/30/18(Mon)11:51:33")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1183672 && dateTime=="05/01/18(Tue)15:56:21")

Seems the delay in migration of Tokyo fish market have delayed construction of a road that caused delay in expected time for Tokyo BRT ti start operation"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1184902 && dateTime=="05/05/18(Sat)04:46:13" && image=="IMG_20180505_134857.jpg")

"You failed me";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1184962 && dateTime=="05/05/18(Sat)09:46:17")

>Delayed 35 min
How many of the staff did kill them after this?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1185195 && dateTime=="05/06/18(Sun)00:11:30")

oh the staff had long since committed sepukku from shame"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1185625 && dateTime=="05/07/18(Mon)02:25:25")

In the end it was delayed 50 min. The westbound track was closed the whole time, due to a caternary obstruction.

Should I go to the Kyoto Railway Museum?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1185922 && dateTime=="05/07/18(Mon)19:23:02")

>Should I go to the Kyoto Railway Museum?
Yes. I really enjoyed it despite the saturday afternoon crowd when I went. They had a demonstration going the hour before they closed of one of their restored steam locomotives, and also have a massive model railway layout upstairs, in addition to all the other neat stuff."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1186079 && dateTime=="05/08/18(Tue)03:57:03" && image=="IMG_20180504_165621_HDR.jpg")

"Looks less impressive than I though.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1186481 && dateTime=="05/09/18(Wed)04:31:12")

Nagoya SC Maglev Park is better, better model railway too"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1186603 && dateTime=="05/09/18(Wed)15:21:49")

" (AFP)
There's this guy Prof Taguchi Azuma's research brought up again on Tokyo railway capacity during 2020 Olympics. I wrote up some comments elsewhere, but one character current reports inadvertently got right might be that metro, Metro Nagata-cho station (Hanzomon-Yurakucho line) interchange passenger would be the most worrying, despite the smaller spike in flow volume due to its capacity and design.
Lots of pics there not gonna repost here yet."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1187196 && dateTime=="05/11/18(Fri)01:57:00")

They already have FGT test facility at Hokuriku?
Also, is the earthquake prevention guard in Kyushu different from Hokuriku shinkansen? As the video said it have to be developed specifically for Hokuriku spec"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1187200 && dateTime=="05/11/18(Fri)02:20:28" && image=="180426_tsukan_04.png")

">Plan for commuter high speed rail network for the capital area
Was it actually a thing?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1187371 && dateTime=="05/11/18(Fri)12:24:18")

Freemium paywall:
What do you mean by that? Think the article would have answered your question. They coincide with the basic Shinkansen line plans, and latter the New 5-Direction Commute Strategy superseding the idea."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1187415 && dateTime=="05/11/18(Fri)14:03:37")

I can't get pass the paywall without entering my card detail so I can't read that"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1187660 && dateTime=="05/12/18(Sat)08:08:53")

I'm too lazy to sign up, thought you have read it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1188504 && dateTime=="05/13/18(Sun)18:31:21")

">In the second year operation of Hokkaido Shinkansen, the load factor dropped to 26%, six points lower than the first year. The operation deficit also almost doubled to 10.3 billion yen. Main reason for the increased deficit is said to be non-increasing ridership and maintenance for the Seikan tunnel which have been opened for thirty years. They also expect 10.2 billion yen lost in FY2018.

Are they going to make it till the opening of Sapporo section?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1188690 && dateTime=="05/14/18(Mon)02:48:43")

wtf japs"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1188697 && dateTime=="05/14/18(Mon)03:07:37")

I hope not

The jap government is addicted to building pointless shit under the guise of stimulating the economy when all it does is wreck the rural areas that are becoming increasingly popular with international tourists."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1188700 && dateTime=="05/14/18(Mon)03:17:54")

I thought the Sapporo - Hakodate segment would make more sense than the inter-strait segment?
And by "are they going to make it", I mean will JR Hokkaido continue to exists when the line open."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1189116 && dateTime=="05/14/18(Mon)22:13:41" && image=="N'EX Wallpaper.png")

Not him but we need more papes like this. Just made pic related."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1189947 && dateTime=="05/16/18(Wed)11:15:20")

"JR East announced that they will purpose build a new tourism train for 2020 serving between Tokyo and the Izu Peninsula, the E261 Series (2 sets with 8 cars each) will be Green Car only with 4 Green Cars, 1 Premium Green Car, 2 Green Compartment Cars, and 1 Resturant Car

JR East's Nagano Branch also announces that the E353 Series EMU will enter service for the Azusa and Kaiji limited express services starting July 1st and all the limited express services on the Chuo Line will use the E353 EMU exclusively. The PDF also confirms the E257 Series EMU will be modified and replace the aging 185 Series EMU for the Odoriko Limited Express

Considering that there are 96 cars built so far (9 9-car sets and 5 3-car sets) I wonder how many will be built when everything is said and done


>Wreck the rural areas that are becoming increasingly popular with international tourists

But they also need that money because you can have only so many domestic tourists"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1190322 && dateTime=="05/17/18(Thu)09:50:18")

"JR apologized because train left 25 seconds early.

In comparison, New York doesn't have a time table, bc it wouldn't serve shit anyway."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191094 && dateTime=="05/18/18(Fri)22:19:03")

"-Odawara direction: Because the Tokaido Shinkansen, the first Shinkansen line to open in time for the 1964 Games.

-Utsunomiya-direction: Became the Tohoku Shinkansen. Due to Landowner/Japanese New Left protests (they were already upset about Narita Airport being constructed). JNR wanted to put the Tokyo-Omiya section below ground, but couldn't due to engineering issues. So, to address landowners' issues, JNR limited speeds south of Omiya to 110 km/h*, and built the Saikyo Line and New Shuttle.

-Northwest direction: Became the Joetsu Shinkansen and Hokuriku Shinkansen. The Takasaki~Nagano section opened in time for the 1998 Games, the extension to Kanazawa opened in 2015. The Joetsu Shinkansen was the pet project of former PM Kakueki Tanaka, a 土建国家 pork barrel waste (re: >>1188697)

-Narita direction: The Narita Shinkansen was scrapped due to the combined effect of landowner opposition along the proposed line, the violent protests due to the reasons above, and the 1990s recession in Japan. JR East tried to salvage the project with the Keiyo Line (the underground Keiyo Line platforms at Tokyo Station were originally meant for this line). Disused rights-of-way from this project were reappropriated by Keisei as Narita Sky Access in 2010.

-Mito direction: Joban Shinkansen was not built because...well, I'm not really sure why. My educated guess is that the 90s recession had a lot to do with it. Tsukuba Express opened in 2005, and if the TX extension to Tokyo Station ever gets built, it'll be an improvement.

-Kofu direction: Right now it's all limited express services, mostly Super Azusa and Kaiji services out of Shinjuku. They're a bit slow but pretty scenic. The Chuo Linear Shinkansen (which won't be nearly as scenic, since most of the route will be tunneled) will reach Nagoya in 2027, not in time for the 2020 Games. The Nagoya~Shin-Osaka section will open...eventually."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191099 && dateTime=="05/18/18(Fri)22:26:48")

"Moving on...

I heard that the Haneda access line will not directly serve Tamachi because of a spur Shinkansen viaduct that blocks any connections between the Oshio Freight Line and Tokaido Main Line. Is this viaduct *just* for cars headed to the Oi Vehicle Base*, or does it also connect to the stabling siding at Shinagawa?

留置線 = stabling siding


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191110 && dateTime=="05/18/18(Fri)22:47:09")

>JR apologized because train left 25 seconds early.
Fucking robots. I think even germans are not that picky about time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191123 && dateTime=="05/18/18(Fri)23:31:55")

Leaving early is one thing, i bet they wouldn't apologise if they keft 25 seconds late for example, because nobody wpukd be harmed"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191139 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)00:53:46" && image=="002.jpg")

"uh oh";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191212 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)04:22:58" && image=="")

Why would you think Tamachi station will be served in the first place???
It's not like Keihin-Touhoku will be the line running through.
> Is this viaduct *just* for cars headed to the Oi Vehicle Base*, or does it also connect to the stabling siding at Shinagawa?
Think it's the former.
Search result:

... Delay has the system of late certificates in place, and the apology is part of the standard procedures."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191213 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)04:33:11")

> Joban Shinkansen
That's not a correct picture. Kihon Keikaku Shinkansen plan calls for a Narita-Joban Shinkansen in the first place.
> Takasaki, Kiryu, Utsunomiya
Again note that >>1187371 in fact Saikyo line had extension plans towards Takasaki line, with relics till Miyahara station.
In addition, terminating at Shinjuku underground was banned in Joetsu Shinkansen.
> Kofu
Not going anywhere when Chuo line quad-tacking and Keiyo line extension haven't."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191215 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)04:37:31")

Forgot to mention about the Joumou Development Line, appearing after the New Five-Direction Commute Strategy, which has a Takasaki-Joban Development Line. Joban New Line (ie TX) appeared in both cases."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191217 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)04:48:34")

You see, as part of the Shinjuku underground Shinkansen Terminal plan, Narita Shinkansen Tokyo platform was located to leave room for westward extension meeting up with Chuo Shinkansen and interconnecting via there.
Inb4 aside from Narita Shinkansen, there was also a more recent (and unrealistic) idea of a Haneda-Narita Maglev. Today we have the Haneda Access Line, but it is also possible after the failure of Narita Shinkansen, a Linear Narita Shinkansen alignment was studied during the development of maglev within JNR. With Chuo Shinkansen at hand today, however unlikely and feasible it is, a maglev Narita Shinkansen is entirely possible in theorey."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191219 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)04:56:10")

As a reminder, Shonan-Shinjuku Line pretty satisified the service requirement of between what's been said above >>1191213 >>1191215, and Tokkaido line, at a bargain. Those days were the end of the economic miracle and the freight boom (think Tokyo Outer Loop Line of Keiyo-Rinkai-Musashino line collection), so passenger conversion among freight lines isn't at reach yet."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191220 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)04:57:13")

>* passenger service conversion"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191230 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)06:42:59")

There are only so many foreign tourist visiting Japan ea h year though I bet in most places domestic tourist are still majority
I take it as respond to that commuter shinkansen post? For the Mito direction, I thought it would be something similar to the TX? Seeing as the graph highlighted Tsukuba academy city as a point of stop over and TX os a line that connect it to Tokyo, and TX was also constructed to alleviate pressure on Joban main line. TX is also a relative higher speed line too.
Joumou Development Line?
If a maglev is built to connect Narita to either the city center or Haneda, I think it will most likely be something similar to the one at Shanghai airport. I am not sure about how much interoperatable it would be with the Chuo Shinkansen.
>Narita-Joban Shinkansen
Seems like it ultimately want to become second Tohoku Shinkansen im some plans?
And what's the line that go to the southern tip of Chiba in some plans?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191231 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)06:44:11" && image=="Screenshot_20180519-182407.png")

"And Kintetsu is going to develop FGT?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191292 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)11:03:31")


>The Joetsu Shinkansen was the pet project of former PM Kakueki Tanaka

Don't forget the fact that he was born in Niigata and the whole Etsuzankai schtick


Yes so they can have direct service between Kyoto and Yoshino-yama since one of the line and its branches between Osaka (Abenobashi) and Yoshinoyama is narrow gauge while the rest of the system is standard gauge"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191320 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)12:50:47")

Even thought Kisarazu have the aqualine that conect directly across Tokyo Bay, on high speed bus that presumably won't have much stops it would still take 45 minutes before reaching Tokyo Station?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191337 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)14:09:08")

> Joumou Development Line
Basically should be Takasaki Development Line but renamed in some literatue. Unsure on that too. These final hour JNR plans have little coverage.
> NRT Maglev
> something similar to the one at Shanghai airport
Which is why that, and the NRT-HND Linear concept are unworthy.
What I mean is realizing a Narita Shinkansen in the form of maglev by a Chuo Shinkansen extension at present time.
> Second Tohoku Shinkansen
The history is: Kita-Alps alignment Joetsu Shinkansen, conventional Chuo Chinkansen, maglev Second Tokkaido Shinkansen, and now maglev Chuo Shinkansen.
> what's the line that go to the southern tip of Chiba in some plans?
It's a concept/vision in the New National Integrated Development Plan only. Look at how Narita-Joban Shinkansen is formulated at last compared to that figure.

Thx for reminding me of his new upload.
Yes and no. Kintetsu is simply cooperating and joining FGT development for themselves.

Shutoko Haneda Route bottleneck after Rainbow Bridge. Harumi Route or the upcoming Kan-Futa won't be any faster.
If you would notice suspiciously wide open space at Tsukijigawa (now a park) and Shintomicho Exit (a playground) you will discover the abandoned plan of a Harumi extension along there to Inner Circular Route."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191338 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)14:10:14")

>* Kita-Alps alignment Hokuriku Shinkansen"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191340 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)14:14:54")

Umm Google Maps show me 40min car journey time at non-peak. 45min is a very good length already."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191341 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)14:17:38")

>* 35min
At morning rush hour it goes to 30-50min."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191349 && dateTime=="05/19/18(Sat)14:41:06" && image=="r103-24.jpg")

see a blog when searching about takasaki development line...

And are you talking about this for harumi extension?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191612 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)07:35:35")

That incorporated the Downtown Shinjuku Route in dotted line and Harumi Route extension to interchange with Second Bayshore Road.
You can see there's a suspiciously wide shoulder and roadside space at Ginza IC too. >>1191337"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191626 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)09:02:56" && image=="Comb20052018085240.jpg")

"Are extension of highway and freeway directly to be blane for for the decline of rail transportation in Shikoku and Hokkaido? Should government give up rail and continues to expand freeway or highway, given that most trips in both area have already shifted to be done by automobiles? Or should they stop constructing highways and freeways while upgrading existing rail infrastructure to something like superexpress in order to nake railways competitive against road travel?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191640 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)11:06:33" && image=="8262.jpg")

"Kumamoto Dentetsu";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191659 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)12:21:34")

No it's the declining and aging population. Many expressways built there are also facing losses and criticized as wastes.
Straightening and upgrading conventional speed line standards definitely make sense than dreaming about Shinkansen. Whether it has to be Super Limited Express is doubtful, as existing conditions are often very subpar and there's no strong demand. Personally 160, 130, or even 100-120 are all acceptable case-by-case dependent.
Would prefer ordinary bypass roads over expressways in connecting those outlying remote rural areas. For some A' Routes (Ordinary national route limited access road road in parallel with national expressway), and B Routes (Ordinary national route limited access road), choice of building to expressway/motorway standard can be reconsidered. Shikoku more ok. Hokkaido is a bigger offender.
(Limited access road: motor vehicle only road)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191675 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)13:19:22" && image=="Comb21052018125324.jpg")

But then the drop in ridership seems to be even more drastic than population drop.
As for speed, aren't trains in Hokkaido running at 100+kph already?
And then there are those line segments upgraded by Hokkaido High Speed Rail Development Holding although they are suffering from losses too
Indeed even with a faster speed, with that amount of population probably not much more traffic can be drawn in when intra-Hokkaido air routes are usually just flown by props and total capacity of buses across different cities in Hokkaido aren't exactly a lot either"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191676 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)13:20:35" && image=="Screenshot_20180521-011909.png")

Abashiri direction seems to be the weakest link for JR compared to both buses and aircraft"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191702 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)14:36:57")

>Single track new shinkansen line using fuel cell battery powered train
Is that even remotely realistic?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191737 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)17:13:12")

Which part?
A single-track full-Shinkansen cost estimate:

That's called top speed, and is not achieved everywhere. Need to straighten and upgrade track sections further for higher average/scheduled speed. Even then, by easing alignment geometry, vehicle requirements, cost, wear, and comfort can be improved.
Don't forget about Shikoku either."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1191745 && dateTime=="05/20/18(Sun)17:32:01")

Page 3 of that toyo keizai article briefly mentioned using fuel cell battery instead of constructing catenary to save cost.

And Kiha 285 will probably help improve the total trip speed but that's really shikataganai."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192366 && dateTime=="05/22/18(Tue)08:17:23")

"Further info and proposal document for Okinawa rail"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192373 && dateTime=="05/22/18(Tue)08:41:26")

"Is there any reason why the Chidori stop pattern still haven't been applied onto that three stations in Suginami district on Chuo line, Tokyo?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192584 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)00:17:48")

"Anyone know how much freight do Japanese railways haul compared to railoads in the US?

Is it more? Less?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192586 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)00:26:43")


A lot less, as in less than 10% since JR Freight doesn't actually own the majority of the tracks it operates on (they only own branch lines that lead to their yards) so they have to pay various JR companies to operate on their lines (JR Freight is classified as Second Sector Operators) and they usually operate in shitty time slots as passenger trains have priority during day-time. In addition, most of the freight transport in Japan are done with ships and trucks due to the country being a long strip of land."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192639 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)03:48:57")

They explain it a bit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192674 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)05:58:33")

Japan doesn't have much rail freight, since a) railways have dense passenger service and b) there aren't so many large loads travelling long distances."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192798 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)14:09:40")

Then why is there so much freight traffic in the Seikan Tunnel/Kaikyou Line? Such freight trains limit the Hokkaido Shinkansen to 140 km/h, which makes travel time between Tokyo~Shin-Hakodatehokuto 4h2m and Tokyo~Sapporo in 2031 at 5h1m, it takes so long that air travel wins out (which may be one of the reasons that the line is hemorrhaging money)

Is it something unique to Hokkaido/Tohoku e.g. lots of agriculture, cold weather), is it the geography (Hokkaido is separated from Honshu by the Tsugaru Strait)?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192931 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)21:28:55")

Well I mean the tsuragu strait had a bad habit of eating ferrys. That's the whole reason the senkan tunnel is a thing."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1192959 && dateTime=="05/23/18(Wed)23:48:36")


Okay, typhoons, that makes sense. I guess I really wanted to know if there something inherent to Hokkaido (besides wanting to avoid mass-fatality ferry sinkings i.e. Typhoon Vera) that creates a high level of rail freight traffic, compared to the minuscule amount of rail freight traffic in the rest of Honshu and points south. I mean, even the Kyushu Shinkansen can do the full 360 km/h in the Shin-Kanmon Tunnel between Shiminoseki and Hakata."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193213 && dateTime=="05/24/18(Thu)14:56:14")

Not really, after the ferry sinking in 1954 they decided they should do it. That's really it. And with freight it's a godsend for Hokkaido since they can get goods down south faster. Also the shin-kanmon tunnel isnt dual gauge. Also say if the seikan tunnel has full speed operation it still wouldn't make taking the shinkansen any better. It's $143 round trip via plane and it's only 2hrs."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193415 && dateTime=="05/24/18(Thu)21:27:13")

"What were the underlying motivations for how the subway lines in Tokyo were designed? Why did they decide on those specific routes? I'll use the Ginza Line as an example

The Japan Times has a pretty good article about the Ginza Line's origins, that details how Hayakawa decided on the Asakusa-Shimbashi part (including. It doesn't go into much detail about how the route was decided for the western part built by Tokyu.

i.e., It was built directly underneath Aoyama-dori and Sotobori-dori (parallels the outer moat of Edo Castle). Why that particular routing, and not something else?

And, how was the routing decided for the Marnouchi Line, Asakusa Line, Hibiya Line, and beyond?

Article: (paywall)


>> I mean, even the Kyushu Shinkansen can do the full 360 km/h in the Shin-Kanmon Tunnel between Shiminoseki and Hakata.

The tunnel is part of the Sanyo Shinkansen, the Kyushu Shinkansen starts from Hakata. Also the speed limit in the tunnel is 260 km/h or something"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193456 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)01:26:27")

So I watched that video, and found it really fascinating, but I'm kind of confused. The narration essentially says the rail freight sector has nowhere to grow, and that it's mostly moving to ships, but I don't really get why that's the case.

The US has awful rail infrastructure and we haul tons of freight at a profit. Japan has probably the best rail network in the world and they haul very little freight at a deficit.

I get that part of it is that the US is gigantic compared to Japan, but isn't freight rail even more efficient than sea freight? Wouldn't that lead to more utilization through lower prices?

Is the issue that their rail is too good? That keeping it maintained at passenger standards is too costly compared the bare minimum maintenance US freight railroads do, or is it something else?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193722 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)18:20:43" && image=="Screenshot_20180526-061853.png")

"Ah JR West announced that new reasonably priced sleeper train interior design"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193726 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)18:28:17")

You have tunnel or bridges for car and truck and other vehicles going into or out of Kyushu or Shikoku. No such thing for Hokkaido. So if you want to transport something faster than ferries but not using the airplanes, train is your only option. Also, Kanmon strait is much narrower than Seikan in the sense that you can literally walk across it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193738 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)18:46:51")

>The narration essentially says the rail freight sector has nowhere to grow, and that it's mostly moving to ships, but I don't really get why that's the case.

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the reason is posted somewhere above ITT. In Japan passenger rail is king. Freight is not, and as such has far fewer timeslots when trains can move from place to place. Given that constriction, plus Japan's geography, coastal shipping makes more sense than rail in most cases now that truck freight is dwindling.

In the US, other than a few long distance Amtrak trains, freight trains have free run of the rail network. Given the flexibility in when they can run, and the flexibility of what they can haul given how absolutely gargantuan US freight trains are versus other countries, rail freight is incredibly efficient in the US compared to truck or sea freight."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193739 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)18:53:25")

Maybe a better and easier way to cut the travel time would be to increase the operational speed for the Northern section of Tohoku Shinkansen but 1. That would still be limited gain compared to potential demand and the cost would further increase and potentially bleeding more money, and 2. Cities in Hokkaido are small except Sapporo.
Hakodate only have a population of 270K. Just a bit more than the city of Yamaguchi and even less than the city of Akita.The only reason for it to open now is the expected connection further up tp Sapporo. And unlike when Kyushu Shinkansen opened till Shin-Yatsuahuro, which was a realistic option for people in Kagoshima and Miyazaki to drive or ride bus/train to the station and then transfer to Shinkansen, Sapporo to Hakodate is something like 4 hours away by train/car/bus, so obviously they are not able to cut into any traffic coming from Sapporo until the Sapporo extension is to be completed.
I think what they have to do now is to cut the schedule down even more to limit the lost despite it would mean less than hourly service
US rail infrastructure is awful by the standard of passenger rail. They are good for freight shipment. From what I heard, China have been envious to the United States' ability to send so much cargo across the rail network. It seems like China are currently lacking the knowledge in some technologies to even produce the quality of steel that would be needed for that to happen."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193761 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)19:53:18")

As for the "nowhere to frow" comment, it is directed toward major truck routes, including Seikan tunnel, and also as pictured in the video, the route from Tokaido line from Tokyo to Osaka.
The situation of Passenger transportation taking priority over freight transportation is probably most significant around Tokyo area and Osaka area where numerous rail lines that are formerly dedicated to freight transport have been, or are going to, be converted to passenger rail line
If the rail freight business become more active and profitable then we might be able to see new freight rail line being constructed for the purpose, but with the current market share of rail freight compared to truck and marine transportation and also its profitability I don't think it would happens anytime soon"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193781 && dateTime=="05/25/18(Fri)21:09:17")

>Kanmon strait is much narrower than Seikan

You meant to say Tsugaru Strait, not Seikan, right?(笑)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193869 && dateTime=="05/26/18(Sat)05:58:13" && image=="Screenshot_20180526-175748.png")

ah right"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1193989 && dateTime=="05/26/18(Sat)14:54:03")

It's narrrower than Seikan Tunnel's span so still makes sense."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1194206 && dateTime=="05/27/18(Sun)04:51:06")

"The E-956 experimental shinkansen trainset will be built by spring next year";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1194334 && dateTime=="05/27/18(Sun)12:05:42")

Hello time traveler. You are late. Any more updates?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1194344 && dateTime=="05/27/18(Sun)12:18:05")

i think I have just read a news reposted by time traveller when I made the post"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196224 && dateTime=="05/31/18(Thu)12:34:46")

"Japan Railway Journal Episode 51
Tobu Railway's Revaty Express: Moving Forward to a Better Nikko"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196277 && dateTime=="05/31/18(Thu)14:18:26")

Is this measuring modal share over distance? I can't read moonrunes.
If it is, then the most surprising thing about that graph is that 11% of people would still take a train over 1000km."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196290 && dateTime=="05/31/18(Thu)15:09:25")

Tokyo - Nagoya
Tokyo - Osaka
Tokyo - Okayama
Tokyo - Hiroshima
Tokyo - Fukuoka"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196505 && dateTime=="06/01/18(Fri)03:24:20" && image=="JNR-KURO481-1.jpg")

"i really really like the styling of the 181/481 series";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196534 && dateTime=="06/01/18(Fri)04:44:35")

Fucking hell, good content but why are Japanese production values always so shit?

It's like watching a shitty American travel show from the 90s."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196672 && dateTime=="06/01/18(Fri)14:23:57" && image=="1200px-Twilight_Express_Mizukaze_Hiroshima_Station_201707012.jpg")

JR's got some really wacky rolling stock, yet they always seem to make it work somehow.
Pic related."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1196739 && dateTime=="06/01/18(Fri)17:16:51" && image=="JRE-E655_NAGOMI._20101127.jpg")

"Shinano Railway announces that it will be building new train sets to replace the aging 115 Series EMU, which are approaching 40 years of age. It will be based on JR East's E129 Series EMU and a total of 26 sets will be gradually enter service from 2019 to 2026


Considering that it is Japanese AND made by a public broadcasting company it is rather obvious


Well, that one's a purpose built one-off which is why they can make them interesting in terms of design. Otherwise most rolling stock for regular service are kinda samey ie. JR West and its family of literal same-face trainsets (225-5000, 227, 323, and third batch of the 521 EMUs)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1197166 && dateTime=="06/02/18(Sat)18:22:59")

yes it is.
The 1069km train ride from Tokyo to Fukuoka take about five hours. Trains are less competitive in this city pair because in addition to the time/distance factor and the ticket price factor, airport of both cities are very close to the city center (With Fukuoka airport right at the center of the city and Tokyo Haneda airport just a short ride from the city itaelf.) But still there are people who don't want to travel by plane and prefer the train."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1197275 && dateTime=="06/03/18(Sun)03:10:41")

Go watch kawaii international and you tell me about how bad Japan railway journal is in terms of production value.
Real talk tho it's a shame that and train cruise are the only two rail autist shows out there."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1197348 && dateTime=="06/03/18(Sun)10:07:05")

"what is best Private Raiload?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1197356 && dateTime=="06/03/18(Sun)10:30:40")

In terms of coverage, tobu.
Tokyo metro is cool buy the strange neat ones are oigawa, kominasato and ETR."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1197454 && dateTime=="06/03/18(Sun)15:33:39")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198041 && dateTime=="06/05/18(Tue)07:49:13")

Ah you can now try to be a rail conductor at Hida"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198069 && dateTime=="06/05/18(Tue)10:52:14")

Keio and Odakyu are cool. So is Keihan.
> coverage

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198159 && dateTime=="06/05/18(Tue)14:17:50")

So what happened several earth quakes and tsunamis?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198427 && dateTime=="06/06/18(Wed)06:31:07" && image=="KIMG0513.jpg")

"Currently on this speedy boy, bound for Imabari.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198613 && dateTime=="06/06/18(Wed)17:54:18")

post pics of inside"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198682 && dateTime=="06/06/18(Wed)22:01:36" && image=="120710_01.gif")

"Track maps are called "配線略図" (haisen ryakazu) in Japanese. Is there a Japanese name for Marey charts as well?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198700 && dateTime=="06/06/18(Wed)22:49:31" && image=="tokyojr150514.jpg")


> Why would you think Tamachi station will be served in the first place???
> It's not like Keihin-Touhoku will be the line running through.

The physical branch point will be close to Tamachi, even though trains to the airport will only stop at Shimbashi and Shinagawa, At least I think that's what the post meant.

Ideally, there would be branching/switching tracks from the Oshio Freight Line to the Tokaido Main Line around Tamachi. However, the spur to the Oi Shinkansen Depot gets in the way. 大汐短絡線 may end up running underground, cutting below the Tokaido Shinkansen tracks.

Photo credit:"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198702 && dateTime=="06/06/18(Wed)22:50:31")


It is called ダイヤ (Dia), a shortfrom of ダイヤグラム (Diagram)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198735 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)01:08:04")

Are you having a stroke?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198835 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)12:06:09")

They are recruiting name for the new station on Yamamote line near Shinagawa"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198846 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)12:42:58")

"JR West considering the introduction of Green Car- like carriage with premium seats on New Rapid services in Spring 2023";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198868 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)13:57:53")

"[Off-topic] /jrg/ - Japanese Roads General
After Gaikan Expressway Misato-minami IC - Takaya JCT section opens up, news come Kan-Futa (Ring Road No.2) completion would be delayed to 2022 owning to the Tsukiji-Toyosu Markets affairs, meaning it couldn't open up in time for the 2020 Olympics.
It's reasonably worry whether Ariake BRT and the less desirably connected Yurakucho Line can do the job well for the Seafront."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198869 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)13:59:13" && image=="index.jpg")

"Between Two Moving Trains in Tokyo? | Yurakucho JR Station"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198871 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)14:01:52" && image=="index.jpg")

"Tokyo by Train"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198877 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)14:17:20" && image=="index.jpg")

"We went to the Kyoto Railway Museum."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198878 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)14:20:32" && image=="index.jpg")

"We went to the Nagoya Linear Railroad Museum"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198942 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)19:13:42")

Goddam 0 Series and 100 Series are aesthetic as fuck."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1198951 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)20:05:18")

Just saw this animation short made by Kyoto transport department to promote riding metro"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199003 && dateTime=="06/07/18(Thu)23:00:57")

They were planning tp use automated bus on the BRT?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199026 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)02:47:40")

The media franchise/project was launched long ago, and this anime is crowdfunded.
Collaboration with Station Memories (Eki-Memo)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199069 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)08:21:25")

I'd say those OG bullet bois really aged a lot better than most of the other trains from the time"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199141 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:04:44" && image=="o0600034012768473581.png")

""Tamori Club" Odakyu Tourism Tour! reserved"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199146 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:10:45" && image=="L_DSC_4750_fixw_730_hq.jpg")

""Tamori Club" Omiya Railway Museum October 05 and 12, 2007 broadcast"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199150 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:30:40" && image=="L_DSC_4750_fixw_730_hq.jpg")

"Recording movie Tokaido Shinkansen (1964)

English subtitles are possible"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199152 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:36:56" && image=="maxresdefault.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199153 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:40:47" && image=="hqdefault.jpg")

"Initial release of a gorgeous sleeper train "Rui-kaze", the inside of the car"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199158 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:53:58" && image=="index.jpg")

"Imperial vehicle E655 series "Nagomi" came on board"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199159 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)14:55:01")

Something I'm curious about. How big is Japan's loading gauge? Those look like what I'd call one-and-a-half decker cars, so I'm guessing they juat didn't have enough room to make them full double-deckers."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199185 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)17:05:00" && image=="603px-Rolling-Stock-Gauge-in-Japan.svg.png")

JR and private rail loading gauge.
Personally I find "bilevel" describes same-height "double-decker" car well."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199186 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)17:07:37")

Legal maximum only. You better look at the actual dimensions of rail vehicles."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199217 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)18:34:09")

I believe in many of these cars the lower deck have to be lowered below regular platform height but that's it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199266 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)22:05:46")

The ruling party committee have also decided to give up Nagasaki FGT"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199272 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)22:31:05" && image=="sunrise-Izumo.jpg")

"Japan's Night Train: The Sleeper Car Adventure"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199289 && dateTime=="06/08/18(Fri)23:21:40" && image=="140326n004.jpg")

"1/2 Half a century ago Japan Railway"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199710 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)02:00:51")

">Man stabbed death on Tokaido Shinkansen (Nozomi train)";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199721 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)03:34:16" && image=="jr loading gauge_comparison.png")

I threw together a crappy photoshop comparing that to the largest loading gauge in America and it's less of a difference than I thought."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199738 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)04:39:50")

Isn't that mainly for double stack container trains?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199745 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)05:37:08" && image=="Gabarit_AAR_Plate_F.png")

Yes. Which is something Japan couldn't do because of its widespread electrification (not that that's a bad thing overall).

For a more relevant comparison, you'd want to look at Plate F, the one the giant bilevel Amtrak Superliners use. It's only about a meter shorter than Plate H.

In general - US railroads have their stuff huge for one reason. If it's big, bulky, freight, they can haul it better than anyone else on the planet. But if it's passengers? Good fucking luck.

Slightly more on topic, can anyone tell me the name of the automatic coupler design the shinkansen uses? I don't think it's the Schwarfenberg exactly, but it's similar."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199746 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)05:38:10")

Quoted the wrong post.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199749 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)05:51:33")

the olympics has never not been a complete clusterfuck for the country hosting it, whether we're talking about before, during, or after
still sad these idiots decided to take it on"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199753 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)06:11:21" && image=="09157-01.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199755 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)06:12:49")

1964 Tokyo and 2008 Beijing are something that could be said as meaningful?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199760 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)06:28:45")

Shibata is a variant of Scharfenberg"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199761 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)06:35:00")

Aside from 1964 Tokyo Olympics >>1199755, Nagano Shinkansen was built for the 1998 Winter Olympics. Sapporo decided to delay its application for 2026 Winter to 2030 to allow Hokkaido Shinkansen to complete.
Tokyo is getting quite a lot done in time for 2020. The overcapacity concern isn't scare material."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199762 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)06:36:42")

Of which Sumitomo's Shinkansen coupler is a variant of again."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199870 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)14:29:35")

The ones in the 60s and 70s werent always bad. Its mainly nowdays that its gaurenteed to be a complete money pit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1199930 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)16:44:52")


So another case huh


Considering how a lot of the venues from recent Olympics become unused and deserted right after the event, maybe they should just have a permanent rotating schedule"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200032 && dateTime=="06/10/18(Sun)22:53:16")



So.... Wakkanai Shinkansen?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200069 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)01:50:52")

Sapporo-Asikawa and Sapporo-Chitose has always been a section of the Kihon Keikaku Kita-mawari and Minami-mawari Hokkaido Shinkansen.
Wakkanai is because of the persisting dream of a Sakhalin Tunnel.
Frankly both are more possible than many other Basic Plans Shinkansen routes."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200071 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)01:55:39")

With Seikan tunnel currently running at capacity, even if they actually build that Sakhalin tunnel, how are they going to handle all those freights routing through it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200072 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)01:58:57")

Guess we can imagine JR Freight will only extend services but not increase frequency?
If there will be a Sakhalin Tunnel, I won't really worry about Seikan Tunnel improvements not happening."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200076 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)02:16:31")

Those Seikan tunnel improvement works are mainly for improving Shinkansen speed that I don't think it helps a lot in capacity?
As for JR freight what are their current load factors on trains to Hokkaido?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200092 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)03:44:03")

If they're really going to build a bridge between Hokkaido and Sakhalin then they might as well build another bridge between Hokkaido and Honshu. Bonus point for physically and legally blocking the channel from large Chinese military vessels"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200118 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)05:55:55")

A single-track freight rail tunnel following the eastern alignment of Seikan Tunnel was proposed as one solution to the current speed and capacity deficit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200119 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)06:03:56")

390 billion yen and 15 years would be needed for that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200122 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)06:55:34")

Remove Hokkaido Shinkansen."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200126 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)07:11:40")

Then what's the point of Wakkanai Shinkansen?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200218 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)15:23:57")

Nobody is gonna take the shinkansen to go to Wakkanai from further than Hakodate."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1200242 && dateTime=="06/11/18(Mon)16:35:58")

Unmanned monorail in a Japanese golf course that is currently closed?
Another one at certain resort?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201225 && dateTime=="06/14/18(Thu)10:37:46")

Japan Railway Journal Episode 52
Gakunan Electric Train: A New Outlook in the Foothills of Mt. Fuji"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201287 && dateTime=="06/14/18(Thu)13:18:20")

>Sakhalin Tunnel
Japan<->Europe by train?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201483 && dateTime=="06/15/18(Fri)02:29:29" && image=="Poljakowo.jpg")

Sakhalin trains are the shit. Too bad they're regauging the network."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201485 && dateTime=="06/15/18(Fri)02:31:00" && image=="Poljakowo-D2-008-02.jpg")

I love the look of these trains."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201802 && dateTime=="06/15/18(Fri)18:30:35")

"I am a layman-kun but I thought a lot of the projects won't be ready in time for the Games. e.g. Haneda Airport Access and expansion of waterfront subway service won't be ready for a while.

Back in January, Tokyo Metropolis appropriated 15.2 trillion yen for six projects:

> Haneda Airport Access Line Higashiyamanote route (from Tamachi)

> Kama-Kama Line

> Extending the Yurakucho Line to Sumiyoshi

> Extending Toei Oedo Line to Seibu-Oizumi-Gakuen

> Northern and southern extensions for Tama Monorail

The MLIT advisory committee and Transport Policy Council have both recommended a 2030 start date for these projects, and these are just the ones that have hard numbers attached to them. I have yet to hear about budget appropriations for the other projects in the draft report. (TX extension/downtown and seaside subway plan, Namboku Line extension plan to Shinagawa, new downtown direct subway plan, etc.)

The biggest things I've heard of that sound more concrete, besides the expansion/redevelopment of Shinjuku/Shibuya/Shinagawa, are the Chuo-Sobu Line upgrades between Suidobashi~Shinjuku, and the downtown-seaside BRT opening in 2019."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201876 && dateTime=="06/15/18(Fri)21:07:40")

>> Extending Toei Oedo Line to Seibu-Oizumi-Gakuen
Wrong. Oizumi-Gakuen-cho does not mean Oizumi-Gakuen Station"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1201877 && dateTime=="06/15/18(Fri)21:14:33")

Basically a longer, hopefully better Trans-Siberian Railway train cruise with Japanese input onto the main line service. Still, mostly freight.
The Bering fixed crossing, for example, is easier than what you may think."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202033 && dateTime=="06/16/18(Sat)10:52:16")

>Basically a longer, hopefully better Trans-Siberian Railway train cruise with Japanese input onto the main line service.
>Still, mostly freight.
That's exactly what I meant.
The media won't shut up about those freight trains from China to Britain, so that would seem like a natural expansion on that.
Wouldn't mind riding a passenger rail service on that line one day, though. Would make that boat/plane ride from/to Vladivostok superfluous."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202227 && dateTime=="06/16/18(Sat)20:31:45")

That must be very cool to ride."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202228 && dateTime=="06/16/18(Sat)20:32:47")

Are the delays common in Japan?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202237 && dateTime=="06/16/18(Sat)21:12:00")

Damn. Toei will be missing out on some primo Seibu thru-service. I guess Kotake-Mukaihara is so close by that Oedo-Seibu thru service isn't really necessary."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202338 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)04:15:12")

Not him, and I can only talk about my own, brief experience.

Coming from Switzerland, arguably the country with the second-best rail system in the world, I'm quite used to trains being on time.

Of course, we too get the odd 3 or 5 minute delay here, that's nothing special and from time to time there's the one train out that's 30 minutes late.

I've been in Japan for a total of 5 weeks only, so this is just an anecdote really.

While I found the trains there to me much less likely to be late than anywhere in Europe.
1. No delays on any of my long-distance shinkansen rides.
2. While going to the Fuji-Q highland, we had to take the Super Azusa, a limited express IIRC and that train actually arrived at the interchange station 20 minutes late. I was quite surprised by that, since there were no announcements in English.
3. While going north from Ueno towards Mito, we took the Hitachi, another express, and that one departed Ueno 20 minutes behind schedule. There was an earthquake about 5 hours earlier, and apparently that caused the disruption. Now I'm not blaming JR for natural disasters but I found them to not reacting very well. Instead of turning around the late inbound train in Ueno to prepare the trainset for an on-time departure there, it went all the way to Tokyo or Shinagawa. From Ueno onwards, the passengers coming in could have easily switched to any other train within Tokyo.
3. Our Yamanote line train once stood still in Nippori station for 10 minutes without any information in English. Now this could've been a planned stop but seeing Yamanote line trains usually run in 4 minute intervalls, it was quite strange."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202361 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)06:39:11")

Well, the only actual criticism I could come up with is that Japan doesn't really have passenger rights for train rides.
There never really was a public outcry over the lack of them, because usually something outside the realm of JR's responsibility needs to go wrong for trains to run late.
While especially with Deutsche Bahn it's rather the norm for them to fuck up everything themselves.

Please, SBB, buy Deutsche Bahn, and save Germany.
Mehdorn, Grube or Lutz doesn't appear to make a difference.
I know I'm asking for a lot, but this country needs to get off the Autobahn, or we are fucked. You included."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202362 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)06:41:20" && image=="shit_in_your_mouth.jpg")

>Switzerland, arguably the country with the second-best rail system in the world
It's like you're looking to pick a fight here, m8. This isn't even funny, I'll fucking end you and everyone you love. Come at me bro."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202367 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)06:51:57")

What country (except Japan) supposedly has a better railway system than Switzerland?

I'm not from Switzerland, but I agree.
There is a reason Switzerland gets brought up in discussions all over Europe when it comes to railways.
They have the right time tables, they have the right tickets, they have the right trains. Where they are behind Japan is the frequency of trains, but that's mostly because Switzerland's population is not even a quarter of the population of the Kanto area.
And when you got trains running at the frequencies they run at in Japan, you don't really need to optimize time tables for transfers anymore."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202371 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)07:03:14")

I'm saying Switzerland has THE best rail system in the world, even better than Japan (of course considering its population and its needs, you obv can't compare 1:1)
>CH isn't closing down rural lines, instead they all maintain at least hourly frequency. Japan only has such high frequency in urban areas
>CH has yuge rail freight share. Rail freight in Japan is almost irrelevant (despite more population and more area)
>CH has better non-HSR long-distance rail service. Japan has only shinkansen or a gorillion train changes when using regional trains)
>CH has "integraler taktfahrplan", ie country-wide coordinated timetable where trains are always synched, also synched with bus services
The only thing Japan has better than Switzerland is the Shinkansen, and Switzerland doesn't really need a segregated HSR system, because distances don't require it and regular trains already go up to 200 km/h on some stretches."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202372 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)07:12:51")

I see and I agree.
JNR >>>> JR"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202377 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)08:06:51")

At that distance/time plane are still advantageous and ferry would still be needed to move cars and such"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202378 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)08:08:50")

You have to change gauge to access Mainland Russia railroad anyway, there's barely any difference for changing gauge at Sakhalin vs mainland"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202379 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)08:16:48")

That BRT won't make it by the tine the game start. See >>1198868"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202380 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)08:20:48")

For freight time usually isn't that crucial.
Once you have your logistics set up and running, the time distance between locations doesn't matter at all.

Sure, there are exceptions, but in those cases railways cannot hope to compete even within a country."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202384 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)08:36:01")

It is actually rather common for through service between Tokyo and Ueno to terminate after accidents occur.. Not sure about this case"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202386 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)08:46:32")

I mean passenger plane/ferry service. Especially with the comment about people driving their own car across Sea of Japan
Train should actually be faster than the ferry for freights especially after counting the time of loading and unloading to ferry or train"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202406 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)10:14:41")

I had no noticeable train delays in any major city's rail transit. There was a 5~ minute delay on the JR Nikko and Ban'Etsu lines when I visited Nikko and Aizu-wakamatsu."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202532 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)15:57:37" && image=="bear21740453_10155786896381133_6874512344929437827_n.jpg")

Bears are a threat."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202578 && dateTime=="06/17/18(Sun)18:26:26")

Ueno-Tokyo line: There's not a single day it haven't been delayed in its first year operation and is apparently counting forward.
(Although this line is rather special in the JR network operation)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202740 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)03:01:57")

How the fuck do you run conventional rail through steel-on-steel linear motor line? Oedo Line rolling stock would be undersized and underutilizing Seibu line capacity.

> freight trains from China to Britain
Urgh am very annoyed by those rhetorics.

> From Ueno onwards, the passengers coming in could have easily switched to any other train within Tokyo.
You must have forgotten about the limited express fare.
> Our Yamanote line train once stood still in Nippori station for 10 minutes
Maybe service interval adjustment.

> JNR >>>> JR

I would conclude Japan do better in urban and metropolitan areas then.
> CH isn't closing down rural lines, instead they all maintain at least hourly frequency
Which is because Japan is much more centralized and concentrated.
> a gorillion train changes when using regional trains
You taking Rapid Acty on Tokkaido Line, Rapid Rabbit on Touhoku Line, or those Liner services before? The New Rapids delivers where there's demand. Elsewhere better channel passengers onto Shinkansen to save cost on conventional lines.
> integraler taktfahrplan
There's numerous rail and bus operators. As you suggested, frequency is such high synchronizing timetable isn't necessary in urban areas. For rural areas, it exist, especially to cater for Shinkansen.

Akita Shinkansen Tazawako Line Sengan-touge (Pass) section, like Yamagata Shinkansen Itaya-touge section, will be re-tunneled to speed up and minimize weather effects."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202793 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)08:22:04" && image=="Screenshot.png")

Moving metro trains by hand"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202813 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)10:50:29")

If the amount of people working it were even half of the train's capacity it'd be a walk in the park"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202890 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)15:48:20")


Oedo Line uses linear induction motors and standard gauge while Seibu lines use the conventional overhead line system and Cape gauge, like most commuter heavy rail systems in Japan.

In fact the Oedo Line is one of three electrified railways in Tokyo that I know of, that don't use overhead propulsion (the other two being Ginza and Marunouchi subway lines which use 600 V third rail)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202891 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)16:06:43")

>overhead propulsion
Anon... The closest train to Tokyo with "overhead propulsion" is the Chiba Monorail IIRC. You meant overhead power and the Oedo line uses an overhead 3rd rail like overhead wires (that's how the locomotive can go through and onto the Asakusa line and so Keikyu / Keisei). Thus, only the G line and the Mm line use "foot" power."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202940 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)18:20:34")

"I think I understand. So I guess if Tokyo-area conventional railways (excluding monorails, trams, cable cars, etc.) were to be catagorized by electrification, propulsion, and gauge, it would look like this:

Oedo: 1.5kV DC overhead, linear motor, standard gauge

Ginza/Marunouchi: 600V DC third rail, VVVF, standard gauge

Toei Asakusa Line, Keisei railways and Keikyu railways: 1.5kV DC overhead, chopper control, standard gauge

Toei Shinjuku Line and Keio {excl. Inokashira Line} railways: 1.5kV DC overhead, VVVF, Scotch gauge

Joban Line north of Abiko, TX north of Moriya, and Mito Line: 20kV AC 50Hz overhead, VVVF, Cape gauge

Tohoku Main Line north of Takaku: 20kV AC 50Hz overhead, Thyristor drive, Cape gauge

Most other JR, private, and subway lines in Kanto + Keio Inokashira Line: 1.5kV DC overhead, VVVF, Cape gauge

Sorry if I overlooked any exceptions."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1202955 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)19:19:49")

The Oedo line has a overhead rail. It's pantograph is p smol and cute.
The only thing that still uses choppers is older keisei stock. All old Keikyu stock only runs South of shinagawa. And the 5300 series is gto-vvvf."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1203047 && dateTime=="06/18/18(Mon)21:50:16")


Only 719 series uses Thyristor DC drives. 701 and E721 series use IGBT-VVVF."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1203204 && dateTime=="06/19/18(Tue)09:28:52")

Hachikou Line has non-electrified section.
> chopper control
Hello time traveler?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1203310 && dateTime=="06/19/18(Tue)15:50:27")

>Sorry if I overlooked any exceptions.
The Shinkansen?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1203341 && dateTime=="06/19/18(Tue)17:20:48")


Only 600 and 1500 series use chopper control, and they don't run onto the Asakusa Line.


> The Shinkansen?

OP said conventional commuter lines only, so Shinkansen doesn't count. Only one OP missed was Hachiko Line, and some other minor ones (like Karasuyama Line). BTW, between Kuroiso~Shin-Shiraoka, E531-3000 AC/DC EMUs and KiHa 110 DMUs are used."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1203542 && dateTime=="06/20/18(Wed)01:39:19")

Yup the non-electrified Karasuyama Line uses BEMU.
Only electrification and propulsion control is considered, if that's what >>1202940 meant."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204167 && dateTime=="06/21/18(Thu)16:17:53")

"Yurikamome, Saitama New Shuttle and Nippori-Toneri Liner are all rubber-tired AGT systems (on an elevated concrete guideway) with 600 V AC 50 Hz third rails (polyphase). I know Yurikamome uses IGBT-VVVF for traction but I don't know about the other two.

Shinkansen are of course 25 kV AC 60 Hz and standard gauge. Except for the two Mini-Shinkansen lines in Tohoku which are 20 kV AC 50 Hz just like conventional lines in Tohoku (they were originally conventional lines, regauged to standard gauge). The loading gauges are still Cape gauge, however, so speeds are limited to 120 km/h.

BTW, what ever happened to the double-decker Shinkansens? (E1 MAX and E4 MAX.) Why were they retired?)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204170 && dateTime=="06/21/18(Thu)16:31:09")


The major reason is probably their top speed of 240 km/h could be a hinderance to scheduling and over-capacity outside of rush hours (I believe the concept of using Shinkansen as a mean for commuting might be going out of style), plus E1's steel body mean it's lifespan is probably shorter than the modern aluminium body ones (E1 is the last steel body Shinkansen EMUs to be retired). Knowing JR East they might keep some of the newer E4s around for seasonal trains when large capacity is needed"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204211 && dateTime=="06/21/18(Thu)18:50:44")


> (I believe the concept of using Shinkansen as a mean for commuting might be going out of style)

So if I understand you correctly, since not as many people are using Shinkansen to commute like they did in the 80s, capacity (MAX trains) is being de-emphasized in favor of more frequent trains overall (a more densely scheduled diamond). Furthermore, the MAX trains' slow top speed of 240 km/h would lead to bottlenecks down the line since faster trainsets like the E5 wouldn't be able to overtake them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204291 && dateTime=="06/21/18(Thu)23:01:01")


Well, the E4s were taken out of Tohoku Shinkansen and relegated to Joetsu Shinkansen back in 2012 as E5s began entering service in 2011 (probably to prevent bottlenecks as you mentioned). As JR East will build more E5* and E7 Series EMUs for both Tohoku and Joetsu Shinkansen services I would assume they will probably scrap all the older E2 EMUs as well.

*There are currently 38 E5 sets in service right now, which is 21 short of the intended number of train sets JR East is planning to build"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204330 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)03:17:05")

Additionally, Ueno-Omiya Station section is at capacity"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204412 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)10:56:22")

- With the new tunnel Akita Shinkansen will upgrade the speed to 160 km/h
- Hokuriku 3 sectors are planning through services
- Japanese government changed the law to help recovery of money-losing lines after disaster even if the company itself is profiting under certain circumstances. JR Kyushu seems to be waiting for the law to pass before conducting recovery of some lines
- Joban line decontamination seems to be making steady process and is on track to full reopening by 2020 Spring"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204430 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)12:10:22")

>on track to full reopening by 2020 Spring

Cannot wait for all those pieces on the recovery of Japan from the Touhoku Disaster during the Olympics on Western TV."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204453 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)13:22:28" && image=="h_map.jpg")

Some special tour on freight line in Japan?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204463 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)13:53:05")

Looks like it.

Isn't freight-by-rail abysmally small in Japan, though?
Narrow gauge and a dense population of commuter trains without sidings seems like a deadly combination for freight.
I'd assume most of that is done by ship in Japan."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204589 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)22:19:16")


There was an discussion about this subject earlier in the thread. You're mostly right, with the exception of Hokkaido. Hokkaido has most of the country's farmland, but is separated from Honshu by the Tsugaru Strait. The island is also prone to typhoons that can sink ferries. This is what happened with the Toya Maru in 1954, and the accident became the primary motivator to build the Seikan Tunnel.

Ever since the tunnel opened in 1988, most freight from Hokkaido has been transported by rail since it's safer. The freight traffic on the Kaikyou Line means that the Hokkaido Shinkansen (which runs alongside) is limited to 140 km/h, so Tokyo~Shin-Hakodate-OmaeWaShindeiru takes ~4h5m. Flying is much faster. This corridor is one of the few in Japan where air travel wins out over Shinkansen (the other is Tokyo-Fukuoka where flying has an 89% market share).

Hokkaido and Aomori are maybe the only places in Japan where there's a lot of rail freight. Kyushu doesn't have this problem because the Kanmon Strait is narrow enough for road traffic to cross without issue. So the Sanyo Shinkansen can go from Shiminoseki to Hakata at relatively high speed."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204610 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)22:49:17")

>Toya Maru
Well, that was an interesting read.
Thanks for bringing it up.
>However, ferry traffic still continues to operate in the strait.
Not train ferries, though, right?
The only JR ferry I know about is at Miyajima/Itsukushima, and that doesn't even carry trains."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204612 && dateTime=="06/22/18(Fri)23:04:10")

>Not train ferries, though, right?

Passenger ferries, like this:"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204666 && dateTime=="06/23/18(Sat)03:03:39")

The underground Tokaido Freight Line and Takashima Line are attractive.
Should be able to see Kanagawa Eastward Line and Hazawa Yokohama-Kokudai Station in construction."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1204887 && dateTime=="06/23/18(Sat)19:01:11")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1205031 && dateTime=="06/24/18(Sun)04:34:20")

Ah fuck they have the eva?
Shit I want to see that so much"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1205686 && dateTime=="06/25/18(Mon)13:29:09" && image=="photo (1).jpg")

"ah, Hankyu arranged this in last week's earthquake";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1206856 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)02:11:29")

"Can JR take over California's stillborn HSR project, please?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207143 && dateTime=="06/28/18(Thu)21:21:12" && image=="Screenshot_20180629-085722.png")

"Japanology: Regional Transport Crisis";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207206 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)01:14:52")

Elevated but single track only railway"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207209 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)01:18:22")

I thought JR tried to bid it numerous times?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207257 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)03:23:07")

Not a fucking chance.
CAHSR's being built to UIC standards - the euros managed to lock the japs out before bidding even started.
JR Central's got it's eyes on Texas. They're willing to pour money into the private company building the Texas high-speed-rail if they use Shinkansen tech."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207430 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)09:42:19")


Wait, weren't there people talking about a Shinkansen through Wakkanai a minute ago?
They are actually planning to close down even the regular line now?
Fuck JR.

How so? The Shinkansen is 1435mm as well, isn't it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207432 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)09:56:08")

Shinkansen IS standard gauge, but it's built to a very, very different loading gauge than most Anglo-European loading gauges, one that is much shorter but also much wider."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207435 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)10:05:15")

Yeah, I just checked it, and the Shinkansen is only 12' tall but is almost 6" wider than AAR plate C and is nearly two feet wider than any UIC trainset."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207436 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)10:07:21")

>loading gauges

Well, back with ICE1 Deutsche Bahn "simply" redefined the loading gauge in order to make it fit.
Sounds like that would be the least problem."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207439 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)10:16:17")

The difference between a Shinkansen trainset and even an Amfleet or Acela isn't something you can just fudge, it's more akin to the gauge difference between a UIC compliant TGV Atlantique and a UK compliant Eurostar trainset. If you remember about that case, the difference in size was so significant that it made more sense to sacrifice comfort and passenger capacity per trainset by going with the tiny UK loading gauge than to try and make a TGV-dimemsioned trainset work with existing British Rail infrastructure.

I'd love to see Shinkansen trainsets operating in the US, but they're so different that it's essentially never going to happen short of that plan to build a Chuo Shinkansen-style maglev demonstrator between DC and Baltimore."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207539 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)16:08:18")


Should've at least post the link to Youtube as well


It is pretty much a wild fantasy at this point, extending to Asahikawa is probably more realistic"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207567 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)17:14:47")

Yes, and there were even discussions that when JR Hokkaido, local municipal, and Hokkaido prefectural government combined together still cannot support opening of those lines, the national government should be involved to fund those lines
That's why I was so puzzled when people talk about "Shinkansen to Wakkanai", as if they forget the entire JR Hokkaido will cease to exists next decade if no external support could be found"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207574 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)17:28:04")

>JR Hokkaido will cease to exists next decade if no external support could be found

The Hokkaido Shinkansen won't be enough support?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207577 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)17:34:54")

The Hokkaido Shinkansen is also losing money now and the Sapporo Extension which will give the system its needed ridership will not be finished by the end of next decade"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207582 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)17:42:06")

>The Hokkaido Shinkansen is also losing money now
Well, they are building it and no trains are running, yet, so obviously they are "losing" money.
Usually one would call that "investing", though.

Do we have any numbers on how the Kyuushuu Shinkansen is working out financially?
At first glance that seems like a similar situation, except I don't think there is anything remotely like Kumamoto between Hakodate and Sapporo."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207584 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)17:43:30")

I mean the operating Aomori - Hakodate segment is reporting a operational lost"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207585 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)17:48:11")

>I mean the operating Aomori - Hakodate segment is reporting a operational lost

How the fuck did they manage to fuck that up?
I only remember seeing a press release citing exploding ridership through the Seikan tunnel compared to the Ltd. Express trains before the Shinkansen."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207593 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)18:04:43")

The latest figure show the transportation density of Kyushu Shinkansen (Hakata - Kumamoto) segment is 25657, (Kumamoto - Kagoshima Chuo) is 11950. Meanwhile, the transportation density of Hokkaodo Shinkansen (Shin Aomori - Shin Hakodate Hokuto) is about 5000.
It is always expected for the line to lose money before they finish the Sapporo extension. Indeed, it attracted many new passengers, but the thing is even with all those new passengers and only one train per hour per direction, the load factor is still only 26%, just about as much as they expected. As a result, the operation factor of the line is 146, which mean they lost 46 yen for every 100 yen they gain via ticket revenue on the line."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207681 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)22:43:40")

>JR in Texas
Thank you for giving me another reason to live/visit Texas."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207692 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)23:22:54")

Japanese manufacturer should be capable of building trains according to European standard too? As in there are also European trains that are manufactured by Japanese companies, their exported product in Taiwan isn't fully Japanese standard either and their trains run together with European trains on Chinese network"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207694 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)23:24:54")

I'm thinking they just want to ship out used Shinkansen or one's directly from the same factory line."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207707 && dateTime=="06/29/18(Fri)23:59:54")

They wouldn't ship used - but they would prefer to keep their exports as similar to the original product as possible.

The issue with the UIC standards is that it basically means using European loading gauge. And European loading gauge is tiny. The Shinkansen sets are too wide to fit without major modification.

Sure, the Japanese could still try to sell signal systems, atc, maybe even some modified trainsets, but... the odds aren't in their favor."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207716 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)00:30:31")

Wasn't Kawasaki's efSET specifically designed for American market?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207752 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)02:56:19")

Taiwan is weird anyway.

They are running Japanese trains, but since Europe offered to supply drivers no matter if they won or not, Europeans were/(are?) controlling the trains."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207772 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)04:02:55")

If there's a business case, they'll make new designs/modify old ones. But if they could, they would absolutely prefer just to ship unmodified locos to America."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207786 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)04:59:39")

The shock resistance requirement for American trains pretty much make it impossible to just import/export Japanese trains into America?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207788 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)05:12:56")

Love this ingenuity."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207795 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)06:01:43" && image=="IMG_20180630_175831.jpg")

"A random regular business day in year 2010, investigation on all travellers travelling between metro area of Tokyo and Osaka, separated by reason of travelling, bus vs rail vs air";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1207797 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)06:11:02")

Article on Toyo keizai suggest that, such distribution shows most overnight travellers are for non-business purpose which are more price conscious and trains would be hard to compete against buses in this front. Combined with the comparatively smaller demand for overnight travel, it is wise for JR to cede the market to overnight buses"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208007 && dateTime=="06/30/18(Sat)18:54:23")

Sankei report claim JR labor union have now reintroduced a system from JNR era that would allow labor union to not just negotiate with the company main headquarter but also with sub units?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208306 && dateTime=="07/01/18(Sun)14:40:22" && image=="Untitled.png")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208548 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)05:40:45")

Level crossing for animal"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208741 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)17:59:20" && image=="005.jpg")

"I want this device at home.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208780 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)19:41:04")

I'm not even sure are they selling ot individually to game center"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208790 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)20:11:29" && image=="100_V_restaurant_car_19990714.jpg")

"Why was the meal car in Shinkansen train unpopular?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208792 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)20:20:35")

Why move to a dining car when you could stay at your seat and eat?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208805 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)21:13:38")

When you pass through ticket gate, see a Nozomi train leaving the platform in minutes time, jump onto it just before it depart, with no time to buy anything to eat from platform shops or such."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208810 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)21:33:00")

I mean, Amtrak has a dining service on a few of their trains, and they're fucking Amtrak! I'd think an actually competent railroad like JR could do one better."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208858 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)23:27:04")

Unless you're a crazy person going all the way from Tokyo to Hakata (at which point you'd be better off just flying HND-FUK), you're only on there a couple hours. You don't need a restaurant car."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208871 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)23:46:00")

About 7% passengers choose Shinkansen instead of aircraft on the Tokyo - Fukuoka route, ignoring other modes of transportation. About 73 flights fly between Tokyo and Fukuoka every days, Given that they're usually either LCC 737/A320 or JAL/ANA mainline widebodies, a very rough estimate would be each of them carry 200 people on average, that would mean more than a thousand people travelling between Tokyo and Fukuoka by Shinkansen every days"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208872 && dateTime=="07/02/18(Mon)23:47:31")


It wasn't unpopular per se, but there are a few factors that contributed to their demise

- As the operating speed increases, the decrease in traveling time renders them pointless
- Most people just fly from HND to FUK anyway as >>1208858 described
- For the Tokaido Shinkansen JR Central basically required all the 16-car trainsets to have an uniform amount of seats (1123 ordinary car + 200 Green car)


The fact that JR is competent is probably the reason why it is no longer mainstream besides on the ultra luxury cruise trains and specific joyful trains since it is hard to compete with basically everyone else in terms of price, choice, and convenience"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208882 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)00:05:15")

"Ah I forgot they still sell bento via those pushy.
But with meal car located on 1 deck of a double deck car, the amount of seats available shouldn't be affected too much other than for the staircase which can probably be deal with by relocating some facilities from lower level onto upper level to install more seats?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208888 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)00:19:46")


Knowing that JR Central wanting as many passengers as they can take and run the trains as fast as possible (remember there is a 50 km/h speed difference between the 0/100 and 300 Series Shinkansen with all the under the hood changes), they are not going to waste time and money to R&D double deck cars as it would be quite difficult to get under the 11.3 tonnes / axle goal (which is around 45 tonnes per car) and keep all the amenities"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208903 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)00:48:44")

Come to think of it even if they are to do double deck they would just put passenger seats into it. (But why aren't they doing it? JR East don't have enough passengers on their double decker trains to justify it but I don't think it'd be a problem to JR Central?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208948 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)02:30:57")

>Unless you're a crazy person going all the way from Tokyo to Hakata
Going by Shinkansen is (only) about 90 minutes slower, and a lot more convenient.
I'd generally avoid plane rides whenever possible, but US Americans may think differently there.

>You don't need a restaurant car.
The reason being ekiben, yeah."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208959 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)02:56:46" && image=="Shinkansen_168-9001.jpg")

I guess they had some in the past- anyone know what the deal was with these ones? Probably on the 100 series trains?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208962 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)03:12:34" && image=="3-Image-3-41.jpg")

Whoa. Nice find.
A duplex Shinkansen would be neat. Of course, a Jacob's bogie Shinkansen would be neat-er. JR could probably take the record from the French with one of those.
While I normally prefer Shinkansen tech to TGV, the AGV has been... tempting. Still too skinny though."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208971 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)03:31:39")

With experience from series 100 and 200/E1max/E3max they probably thibk it doesn't worth"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1208991 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)05:40:42")

My best guess would be it lowers the capacity too much for it to be worth it.
Japan has fucking long trains, and they are still too short. They are fighting for every seat."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209014 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)07:40:46")

I mean, if they are actually all seats then they would give extra capacity. Some later 100 series were made in this way iirc"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209015 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)07:43:06")

100 Series Formation X (100N series) Grand Hikari. The three bi-level trailers has 2 passenger Green cars, and this dining car of upper level restaurant with lower level on-board shop (also kitchen).
Formation V (100N series) has the more interesting split bi-level passenger trailer car with upper level Green class and lower level standard reserved seats (2+2 seating)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209016 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)07:45:41")

>* 100 Series Formation X (100N series).
>* Formation V (100N series) Grand Hikari"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209020 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)08:28:56")

densha de go? As in the multi-track drifting game?!?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209023 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)08:38:54")


For JR East, the main issue is demographics/economics made shinkansen commuting from takasaki into tokyo no longer attractive enough to justify the expense of new doubledeck higher speed designs.When long distance commuting was still "popular" the damn things were packed though.

JR Central apparently felt the balance in throughput and speed didn't swing enough to make tokaido line all doubledecker though, as insane as that may be considering the crowding. Investing in all doubledecker higher speed trains strikes me a much cheaper than that damn maglev..."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209024 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)08:40:05")

>multi-track drifting game

That's Densha de D.
Densha de GO is a regular arcade railway simulator.
And the post you quoted shows the newest arcade machine that is currently undergoing location testing, if I'm not mistaken."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209085 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)11:26:54" && image=="IMG_20180703_232311.jpg")

"JR East installing CCTV into ~8300 conventional line regular train cars and ~200 shinkansen train cars passenger compartment, as well as into driver compartment of ~2500 regular train cars the run in Tokyo metro area, in order to enhance security. This is in additional to existing cameras in some Yamamote trains and Shinkansen trains, in wake of recent events";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209091 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)11:30:18")

>in wake of recent events

How do cameras prevent a guy from running around with a knife stabbing people?
With cameras you don't get safety, but you lose liberty."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209093 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)11:34:03")

Not just that but also things like they have 580 cases of people obstructing train operation by methods like igniting fire in toilets and such"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209097 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)11:42:14")

* Ah and that will.involve all trains made after FY2018
Cost about 50 million yen per train for a 10-car train"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209221 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)17:00:40")

>like igniting fire in toilets

Why? Don't Shinkansen have specific cars for tobacco junkies?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209254 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)18:43:18")


He's not talking about smoking, but actual vandalism.

Speaking of smoking, here's the current situation if you do want to smoke:

- Can't smoke in any of the JR East/Hokkaido Shinkansen routes as they are fully non-smoking
- Tokaido/Sanyo/Kyushu Shinkansen have dedicated smoking rooms on all N700 and 500 trainsets plus 700 Series (16 cars) having three smoking cars. According to the unveiling of the N700S prototype a few months ago it will continue to feature smoking rooms as well"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209329 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)22:37:41")

"Do you guys think the Texas Central Rail will be successful? Personally, I believe their major hurdle is getting the land itself.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209330 && dateTime=="07/03/18(Tue)22:51:38")

"Serious flooding in Hokkaido expected due to typhoon.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209402 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)03:08:16")

It seems like SNCF want to compete against them?
And I am a bit unsure about how would the situation play out with JR Central being so much transportation oriented in the home market when it come to a new market that rail isn't actually a thing."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209552 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)13:06:15")

Haneda Airport Access Line Higashi-Yamate route/alignment to open in 2028, with environmental assessment starting this year. JR East uncertain as to the other two corridors."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209581 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)14:11:19")

Uncertain whether the other two routes will open at the same time
And as expected new underground rail is needed to connect the airport to the freight terminal"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209621 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)15:34:18")

As far as I can tell it's just SNCF being whiny piss babies. They're all bark no bite."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209649 && dateTime=="07/04/18(Wed)16:28:49")

Sekihoku line bridge foundation lost to increased water flow"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209833 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)00:42:39")

"Aokuma video said using seat pad to defense against knife actually doesn't work?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209846 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)01:23:04")

Other than the frogs being 100% right on routing it's just them making noise."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1209898 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)04:20:42")

"How can JR Hokkaido be made profitable?

(WIthout closing all lines outside of Sapporo)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210027 && dateTime=="07/05/18(Thu)13:07:31")

Even if they do what you stated in bracket they still won't become profitable
For now the plan seems to be maintain what they have as long as they are viable and with external support until opening of Sapporo extension of the Shinkansen
I agree with the approach too as it should be able to change the cost/revenue equation, and it would be a bit baseless to discuss the company's future without getting the numbers out from the line
The problem now is how can JR Hokkaido maintain the current structure for ten plus years when it's expected to run out of money before Tokyo Olympics"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210537 && dateTime=="07/06/18(Fri)23:58:08" && image=="83f2883c21c5915a7c619815775c013e58553d180722d5e6be33b9e50ee8750c7d7228954820e24b52c35f608f09bbb93cf4c536099061f0e62637fcf992b41f.jpg")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210539 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)00:09:23")

Yeah, I agree. If they get the land, their chances of success are very high. The problem is that so many texas ruralites have an irrational hatred of trains thanks to the years of propaganda the oil imdustry has fed them and the absolute shitshow that CAHSR has been."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210620 && dateTime=="07/07/18(Sat)07:00:28")

Don't forget the founding principles of capitalism:
Privatize profits and mutualize losses.

The state will have to cover - while getting none of the profits of Central, East and West."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210794 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)01:09:34")

Despite the CAHSR and the previous project in Texas, it seems like there's really only a handful of people who are super against it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210827 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)04:03:11" && image=="DhaxtnWVQAE2G0j.jpg_large.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210831 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)04:17:13")

The state have already sold away all their stocks or Central/East/West/9"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210876 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:02:57")

I don't think there'll be enough demand to justify express trains from other cities in Hokkaido to enter CTS airport directly?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210879 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:24:56")

The thing with the privatization of JNR is that it was split up into highly profitable parts and utterly loss-making parts. It's really telling that JR Hokkaidou, JR Shikoku and JR Freight are still 100% owned by the state.
That was a mistake. You can only cover an entire country profitably in railway infrastructure, if the same company that covers the extremely densely populated areas also covers the rural areas.
They ought of introduced a law that forces the JR companies to cover for each other to some extent.
Although that obviously again would raise the question of how to prevent abuse of such a system."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1210881 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)09:33:31")

The plan was to use fees paid by profitable part to setup a fund for lost making part to lose money from. But the unexpectedly low interest rate ruined the plan."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211046 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)16:42:00" && image=="Y4AUFTSan-jOhI5Rex046rWQgq4_Ofc2fIScvnyEnL4.jpg")

Is it going to render the monorail redundant?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211083 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:22:00")

And also, seems like they are planning to extend service of some Shonan Shinjuku line and Ueno Tokyo line through service train from the north down to Haneda airport after the line completion? And also possibility pf extending third party private rail service like Tobu's train to Nikko into Haneda airport? (Then is it possible for JR trains to split and switch back within the Tokyo Freight Terminal for some trains to through service into Tokaido Freight Line and Tokaido Line?)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211272 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:14:24" && image==";-;.png")

"Is the Aizu-Wakamatsu station webcam dead forever?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211325 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:11:00")

> Redundant
In what? Local transit is much needed so it will add maybe 2 stations to transition to that APM/feeder role.

> Ueno-Tokyo line
> Shonan-Shinjuku line
Both this and Saikyo Line. I incline to the pattern that the former will be less than you think and vice versa.
> Ltd Exp Nikko
No info. Possible.
> JR trains to split and switch back within the Tokyo Freight Terminal for some trains to through service into Tokaido Freight Line and Tokaido Line?
No info on passenger conversion of Tokaido Freight Line. It would be better to wait till the HND International Terminal extension much latter. As of now it would be a no."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211327 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:15:41")

No, the issue is capacity constraint on Chitose Line. The junction and branching here are awkward. Improving them would convenient both CTS and intecity railway passengers."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211331 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:21:47")

Wonder if possible to close Muroran Main Line (Namanohata-Oiwake Station section) after this.

The straight alignment and dead-end platform of Sekisho Line that might be implied in the illustration shouldn't be taken seriously.
Allowing freight trains to continue to use existing Chitose Line in parallel eastward would ease the design."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211338 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)10:08:58")

Looks like it. ;_;

The web interface was shit anyway.
Any sensible person used the direct stream URL and avoided the website that was promoted with the stream."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211358 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:15:56")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211534 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)18:49:13" && image=="Texas_TBone_Texas_Triangle_Final_Map.jpg")

Why would the I-35 corridor be better than the I-45 corridor?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211545 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)18:55:01")

I guess it's because you only have one line going to and from Dallas rather than two lines, but then you'd lose the express route between Dallas and Houston... the reason why TCR was founded in the first place lmao"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211572 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)19:30:30" && image=="texas_hsr.jpg")

Both of those routings are pants on head retarded. Pic related is the logical choice. Why the fuck would you even route an HSR through College Station, while not allowing a practical Houston-Austin/SA connection?
Pic related is the only logical option."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211617 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)22:02:23")

But the network makes the most sense for the spine to be oriented around HOU-DAL. That's where the lion's share of the passengers will be."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211771 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)05:08:37")

Then why not simply build the TCR proposed route. Sharing the track that run into Dallas area could result in a bottleneck similar to the one currently experienced in Omiya and is also the reason why JR Central rejected track sharing proposal for Hokuriku Shinkansen in segment between Lake Biwa and Shin-Osaka. Austin + San Antonio have 3 million citizens combined which should be enough to support their own independent HSR routes afterward. It would be criminal to create a bottleneck there and force everyone to take a detour for the bottleneck instead of giving each city pair the most direct route when the potential demand is there."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211773 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)05:28:33")

And not to mention the increased operational and maintenance cost for the Dallas-Houston segment due to lengthened track

1. Even if it is from Waco, it still make more sense to connect to Dallas instead of Fort Worth directly. The map is engineered to make it look like T-bone route is still more or less a straight line when it is in fact a detour
2. building via Waco would have lengthen the track by approximately 40 kilometers. You can use the budget to build 40km tracks from Waco to I-45 if the future demand is really not sufficient to support individual routes, and even in this case the total track length will still be same as the T-bone plan when connecting all four large metro area together while passengers travelling between Houston and Dallas can still get the fastest travelling time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211775 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)05:31:03")

*I mean from Austin to I-45 bypassing Waco which only have 200k population."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211780 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)06:08:53" && image=="1531217169077.png")

Something like this would be possible if you really want to share track. Total track length would be similar to T-bone's proposal, can still serve about as much passengers, while continually giving Dallas-Houston passengers the fastest trip time. Passengers from Austin will also have a similar trip time to both cities as in the T-bone plan. However this plan will still have a bottleneck leading to the inability to utilize the full capacity of the Dallas-Houston track and is thus less desirable than TCR's plan.

If you think routing via Temple would be enough to cater for passengers going from Houston to Austin/San Antonio and thus save the need of constructing that track then you probably should reconsider that a bit as that would be a 50% derail from direct route"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211781 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)06:12:39" && image=="Comb10072018061157.jpg")

Compare the two plans, if without Houston-Austin connection"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211786 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)06:24:14" && image=="1531218233869.png")

"Alternative if one insists on using shared track on both routes and still serve those communities in between directly then something like this can be done";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211787 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)06:27:40")

>building via Waco would have lengthen the track by approximately 40 kilometers
It should be, building via Temple would have lengthen the track by approximately 90 kilometers"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211788 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)06:35:30" && image=="texas-cities-map-texas-major-cities-map-487-x-500-with-pixels.jpg")

Oh and that SNCF map for location of cities is actually distorted to give them an advantage in telling their story"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211790 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)06:40:33")

"ah, so that's how French people come up with >>1197313";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211813 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)08:37:31")

The option I propose in >>1211572 allows that, maybe change it to Waco-Dallas-FtWorth. The detour through Austin isn't too much to make Houston - Dallas impractical."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211819 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)08:58:41")

>Sharing the track that run into Dallas area could result in a bottleneck similar to the one currently experienced in Omiya
That concern seems out of place, it's unlikely that an HSR in Texas would ever reach that sort of saturation, starting with the fact that there are practically no feeder lines, nor would this HSR system be part of a larger system, it's a somewhat small, self contained network.

>And not to mention the increased operational and maintenance cost for the Dallas-Houston segment due to lengthened track
There's even more track to maintain with the T-Bone setup, but with less competitive service, since you only get competitive "vertical" service (DallasFTW-Austin-SA and DFTW-HOU), while my "dog leg" proposal allows DFTW-Austin-SA, DFTW-HOU *and* HOU-Austin-SA).

It seems to me some of you guys don't fully understand that HSR planning is a bit different than conventional rail planning. There's more leeway with detours if they add more useful connections while not making other journeys impractical. That's why T-shaped concepts can work ok, if they allow three points to be connected to each other slightly indirectly, but allowing services from each point to each point. With conventional rail you'd build a triangle instead.
Houston-Austin-SA is practical and adds a connection to Austin, while Houston-Temple-SA is not. Just the same, Dallas-Austin-Houston is practical despite the detour, because it allows practical connections from Houston to both SA and DFTW, while only needing the additional "branch line" from Austin to Houston, much shorter than Temple-College Station-Houston."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1211960 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:11:00")

>Then why not simply build the TCR proposed route
Think you misunderstood me anon. That SNCF's infographic. I think their plan is ass-backwards and favor the I-45 routing. I was just curious why they would prefer the I-35 route."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1212062 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:41:53")

>That concern seems out of place, it's unlikely that an HSR in Texas would ever reach that sort of saturation, starting with the fact that there are practically no feeder lines, nor would this HSR system be part of a larger system, it's a somewhat small, self contained network.
Dallas is a city of 6 million residents and Houston is a city of another 6 million that are less than 400km away. There are currently more than 36 flights flying between the two cities every day in each direction in addition to countless cars. Cars themselves are feeder.

>There's even more track to maintain with the T-Bone setup, but with less competitive service, since you only get competitive "vertical" service (DallasFTW-Austin-SA and DFTW-HOU), while my "dog leg" proposal allows DFTW-Austin-SA, DFTW-HOU *and* HOU-Austin-SA).
>~~~~There's more leeway with detours if they add more useful connections while not making other journeys impractical. That's why T-shaped concepts can work ok, if they allow three points to be connected to each other slightly indirectly, but allowing services from each point to each point.~~~~
>Houston-Austin-SA is practical and adds a connection to Austin, while Houston-Temple-SA is not. Just the same, Dallas-Austin-Houston is practical despite the detour, because it allows practical connections from Houston to both SA and DFTW, while only needing the additional "branch line" from Austin to Houston, much shorter than Temple-College Station-Houston.

What would be the operational cost and duration of time of carrying passengers over a 550km distance instead of 350km distance in your via-Austin scheme for a passenger travelling between Dallas and Houston? The cost is going to be reflected onto the ticket pricing and weaken the induced demand, as well as reduce its attractiveness against other mode of transports

See also why Tokaido Shinkansen did not have a Gifu station inside the city and why Chuo Shinkansen bypassed Central Nagano."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1212067 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:48:48")

"Speaking of which, how much control do Kawasaki HI still have on various CRH2 trains they exported to China? Seems like even some of those latest CR400 trains they are building there are still somewhat based on those exported E2 trains and have some rather different dimensions and such and that they're now going to re-export them";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1212084 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:50:11")

"New thread: >>1212082";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1212229 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)08:45:01")

Also, think about it: What if when the network expand outward?
From Dallas, Oklahoma City is 300 km away, Memphis is 700km away. From Houston, New Orleans is 500km away.
If the rail distance between Dallas and Houston is about 360km, then Houston to Oklahoma City would be about 700km, still comfortably within the comfort zone for high speed rail to compete. Dallas to New Orleans will be 850km, a bit pushing it but still competitive with a high speed high speed rail connection. Houston to Memphis will be about 1050km, still haven't lost all the competitiveness.
On the other hand, if you route it via Austin, then Houston to Oklahoma City will already be 950km which os already rather challenging, Dallas to New Orleans will be 1100km which is already on the edge of feasibly attracting passengers onto the route solely for the purpose of travelling, and then Houston to Memphis will be 1300km where train travel will become merely a niche."