import 4.code.options;
import 4.code.about;

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public void title(){

String fullTitle = "/out/ - Outdoors";

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class Thread extends Board{
public void Homestead(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "Homestead";
int postNumber = "1310311";
String image = "IMG_7540.jpg";
String date = "07/08/18(Sun)17:20:12";
String comment = "Is there anything more wholesome or fulfilling than homesteading?

>buy 100 acre tract of land in north of my state
>mild weather, beautiful scenery, and great soil
>clear out 15 acres for pasture and gardens, leave the rest of the forest be
>four kids, homeschooled by stay-at-home wife
>honeybees, sheep, chickens, rabbits, a small orchard, and gardens to keep us fed
>I literally get to spend all day outdoors working with the things I love for the people I love

My wife and I both were caught up in the city rat race. Trying to get a big house, fancy cars, and the nicest stuff. We had our first kid and it changed our lives forever. I gave up my $100k/yr tech job, and she quit her master's degree program. We picked up and moved back to our home state and have been cultivating our virtues for the past ten years. I have never been this happy in my entire life. If this is something you've wanted to do, you will not regret it.

Pic not us."

public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310331 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:39:53")

This is my dream desu. How do you make enough money to take care of basics? (medicine, food you don't make, school supplies, etc)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310353 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)17:56:31")

This is what winning in life looks like."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310363 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:03:22")

We have several sources of income; there's no specific way to make this work. Play to your strengths!

I started a small printing company a few years ago. I clear enough with this to take care of all staples with a little left over for savings. I've hired good managers so I can be mostly hands-off. I work remote a few hours a week, and drive into the city once a month for the company meeting.

We have rental income from our starter house. We paid almost nothing for it and my dad and I fixed it up. The area it was in boomed thanks to an outlet mall, and so it turned out to be a good investment. All of this goes into savings.

Farm products. We process the wool, honey, beeswax, meet, and seeds. This only makes about $2,000/month, but my kids have almost complete control over this. I consider it part of their homeschool curriculum, so they spend about an hour a day each on their projects. They've learned financial lessons in their early teens that took me 30 years to learn. We started off slow and according to their interests. For example, my oldest fell in love with the livestock show at the fair. He started breeding exotic rabbits and chickens, now he's got his own corner of the barn to raise endangered breeds. He sells them throughout the state. All this money is usually reinvested by them, except for whatever they want to spend when we go into town."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310370 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:09:41")

"Can you talk about the process of choosing your property/location?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310379 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:19:47")

Forgot to mention- medical insurance is through our local Christian Sharing Program. It's cheap because it's local using a local doctor. If your area doesn't have something like this, consider contacting people to make it happen!
School is basically free beyond our textbooks which are handed down. My wife homeschools the kids.

Thanks, friend. I think if more people took a serious look at this life, the world would be a happier place!

Sure thing!
We had this plan for years, so we took lots of trips to the areas we were interested in. The BEST resource you can ask for is your local agriculture college. Take some basic courses (only a few hundred total. This will be one of the best investments you make.) and get to know people there. They will test soil for a small fee and will have some of the best experts to guide you. Going to the county co-op is a great way to make connections too. Old timers love to see a young family move in and use the land, and the strength of community you get from this is not to be underestimated. I always had someone to open a beer with when I had a bad week, and my wife always had a farmer's wife to learn from.

Take your time and embrace it. Look at as many properties as you can, even if you're not ready to buy. You'll hit the ground running with a good idea of what "good" land in your area looks like."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310382 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:21:56")

But as far as my process for choosing the land-

I had an idea of what I wanted. Lots of woods with some pasture land. I downloaded high-res topo and plot maps from the USGS and had an entire wall in my office covered with them. My wife and I would reference every single piece of property against it to make sure it met all of our needs."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310406 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)18:53:09")

Thx, my current plan is climb the career ladder asap and save as much as I can. Hopefully in 10-15 years I'll have enough investments to sustain a modest homestead lifestyle. The medical insurance sounds fantastic. If you don't mind me asking, how much does your household spend each year?

what do you think your kids will do once they finish their education? Do you plan on sending them to college? Or are you hoping that they'll take over the farm?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310435 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:21:55")

Our total monthly expenses are around $2,000 give or take. That's including what we're still paying on the land, the few staples we buy, diesel, insurance, vet bills, etc. The wisest investment you can make is in yourself. We're in the internet age- you can make a living from anywhere if you need extra income.

The big state college is about two hours away. They're all smart as a whip, so I don't think they'll have a hard time getting a full ride. I don't really want anyone to take it over unless they feel like it's what they want 100%. The plan now is to leave it in a trust for them after we die, and let them figure out how best to deal with it when the time comes.

One major piece of advice I should've said earlier: find a good woman, and wife her tf up. If you put your marriage before all worldly things, there's nothing that can stop your happiness."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310436 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:23:56")

>100 acre tract
How much?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310443 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:37:49")

$100,000 for the land alone. My father-in-law and my dad are both builders, so adding a house only cost us the price of materials."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310446 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:41:29")

"Just in case this isn't an artistic work of fiction and falsehood, well done OP, and I wish you and your family the best.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310447 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:42:15")

Christ. Hard to find 1k per acre where I'm at. Planning to get out if the city (actually just sold our city home), but it's so expensive to buy land, holding tank, well, etc..

Congrats man. Sounds prime."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310455 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:48:51")

>One major piece of advice I should've said earlier: find a good woman, and wife her tf up. If you put your marriage before all worldly things, there's nothing that can stop your happiness.

This right here. People often make the mistake of putting their children first at the expense of their marriage. Your spouse needs to come first, because the best thing you can do for your children is maintain a happy and healthy relationship."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310457 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:49:51" && image=="1530303437341.jpg")

"Im working my way up. Paying off the last of my debt. I grow a bigger and more productive garden every year.

Im taking a class on how to butcher a chicken at the end of the month. Once I pop that cherry Ill move onto rabbits. I want to go hunting but I'm having a hard time finding a way into that hobby. The guides are usually nothing more than safety guides. No classes, no craigslist ads asking to meet in the woods at night. I just want some venison. I seem those fuckers everywhere. If I learn how to shoot it cant be that much harder than walking around at night in bright orange clothing and avoiding no trespassing signs can it?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310460 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)19:52:32")

Deer hunting is a daytime activity. Nighttime deer hunting is called poaching."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310468 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:01:46")

Thanks senpai. It's actually a pretty realistic goal for anyone. A small family can make it work with 5 acres.

We live in Arkansas, so everything is pretty cheap here.

This guy gets it. This is 100% the best piece of advice I've ever been given in life.

National Forest, senpai. Deer tags are dirt cheap. Go to a pawn shop and buy a cheap bolt action. Don't buy into all the hunting gear. Assholes with flintlocks could stack deer all day long in the 1700's."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310471 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:04:46")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310476 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:08:31")

Pretend healthcare and home schooling. Tell me more about homesteading. Do I have to join a hypocritical religion too?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310489 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:18:54")

Healthcare with a legal structure and no subsidation of drug users and obese, unemployed people.
Education without pandering to the lowest common denominator and without having to deal with subpar """teachers""" who have a job thanks to union dues.

You're right let me just embrace Obamacare and send my kids to public school. Hey- maybe I can struggle to live in a three bedroom apartment and eat processed foods all the time."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310494 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:23:13")

Shouldn't you be looking for some sacred texts in a hole in the ground?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310497 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:26:28")

Hunt coyotes at night"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310501 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:33:47" && image=="A7CEA906-665F-4354-B630-B880EA245EFA.jpg")

Is that the best you have got? You need to look at the positive, your kids could just read Marx and Peter Singer all day, faggot."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310507 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:41:00")

*tips fedora*

Seriously though- you don't even know my religious affiliation yet have unironically taken to defending the public school system and the health insurance industry just to insult it. I think you need to take a long hike through nature and center yourself, friend. Whatever's making you unhappy, I'm praying God will lift it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310512 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:47:48")

He's an incel."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310521 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:55:42")

Maybe so.

I've got an early day tomorrow, but I'll be sure to answer any questions about homesteading to the best of my ability when I get on tomorrow morning! I'll see about uploading some pics of the farm as well!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310522 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)20:57:30")

Until you actually need money for medical care, insurance, supplies, etc.

Not that I for one second believe this fantasy of yours."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310528 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:04:18")

>posting pics of farm
Where's the subscribe button?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310534 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:16:54")

"Anyone seen "Captain Fantastic?"";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310545 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)21:38:28")

>find a good woman
>tfw I found her but she broke it off because I wasn't the right man

Learned a lot from that relationship and realized that I have to sort myself out first. Right now all of my decisions are based on supporting a future family. Hopefully I'll get another chance at a girl like her.

BTW around what age are you and your wife and when did you start having kids? Did you have a homestead before or after your kids were born?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310564 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:15:31")

Have you not read this thread at all? He's literally addressed all those things"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310573 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)22:26:18")

Not knowing that
>homestead is a house
>farm is the worked land surrounding it
Are you this new or do you just want to see the inside of OP's house?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310611 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:25:12" && image=="CC3D45B9-D0AE-4388-9A1E-0D4EC0C7A5D8.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310620 && dateTime=="07/08/18(Sun)23:40:13")

So what happens when a family of obese diabetic slobs with tons of medical issues moves to town and wants to join your health share?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310793 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)06:43:04")

We have plenty in savings. More so than if we were living in the city. Just because someone doesn't hop in a car and commute an hour to work in traffic doesn't mean they're less financially secure than you.

I use the terms interchangeably. A lot of people do. Sorry if that sparked your autism.

We're both in our mid-30's. We bought the land while pregnant with our third child.

You'll land that perfect woman. Just keep improving yourself and never compromise your standards for your partner.

There's a nifty website called Google where you can actually learn about things you don't know about, but let me give you the skinny- the best thing about this program is it's exclusivity. There's no pool of office workers poring over tables and sheets trying to include smoking and obese minorities to meet quotas. New members are reviewed and approved by both the doctor and the board. We don't exclude people based on health, but we do require that they not smoke, not heavily drink, and at least put some good faith effort into not being complete slobs.

There's a lot of Anons hostile to this idea. Not everyone has to be a slave to paying $500/month for minimum coverage. This is one of the many benefits of moving to a small town. Partnerships like this exist, and you're much more than a number on a spreadsheet. You'd think on a board like /out/ people would not defend city life so desperately..."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310854 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)08:48:21" && image=="ruralamerica.jpg")

This is absolutely awesome, truly my definition of a fulfilling life. Great job to you both ! (and to the kid as well). I'm just a 20 years old european urbanite but this kind of life seems so perfect to me. I probably idealize but homesteading and living in the american countryside away from city troubles and being permanently /out/ is really a worthwhile life.
It's been since a few weeks that i look up on the internet land price in America and it is amazing how cheap it is compared to Europe.. totally affordable and yet it appears to me as the key to happiness

Do you mind posting some pics of your property ?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310863 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)08:53:38")

>You'd think on a board like /out/ people would not defend city life so desperately...

They dont. You come off as a douchebag in your posts and that makes people want to argue with you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310867 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:01:43")

Thanks, Anon. It's a dark and rainy day here, I'll see if I can snap some good ones.

I come off as a douchebag? I honestly don't see how my answers gave you that idea. Any of my hostile responses were to people who not only can't fathom a successful life without a 9-5 job and company health insurance, but were actively insulting my lifestyle. Sorry if any of my responses triggered you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310876 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:22:36")

"Let's see some pics of this great homestead


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310879 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:33:13")

$100K a year tech job? Did you just leave school or some shit?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310883 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:46:08")

no he doesn't, you're just a faggot"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310886 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)09:51:28" && image=="qt.jpg")

"Good on you man.

Although i wouldnt want to homestead, i would like to buy a plot of land in northern british columbia and build myself a modest home that is self sufficient

>four kids, homeschooled by stay-at-home wife
Id change this though. Your wife is probably stupid and your kids will most likely grow up not know how to properly interact with people and your daughter will probably have sex with black men

besides this good job anon"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310896 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)10:11:56")

Homeschooled kids are more successful on average."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310928 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)10:59:16")

I've always wanted to live in the Pacific Northwest. I have no family or ties up there, and know nothing about it though.

My wife was a year shy of getting her master's degree before we had our first kid. I trust her to raise our own kids more than some lady with a 2-year associate's trying to corral 30+ kids into some state-approved snail's pace scholastic system. If your idea of homeschooling is children shut in a house all day, you need to step into the 21st century."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310939 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:18:28" && image=="fuckme.jpg")

i married a great woman 20 years ago, have 2 kids becoming teens. we have a splendid relationship and love eachother more than when we were newlyweds.
6 years ago we moved out from the city (buenos aires, we're from argentina) because it was like living in hell.

we went to a small village in a sierras province were we bought a small plot with a simple beautiful house. i was working remote (graphic designer), planting my own garden, mountain biking, hiking, fishing and basically having the time of my life.
but after a couple of years my wife felt that this was too far from her family and civilization and started to feel kind of depressed. kids were doing ok, but they were also missing family and friends.

so after debating a lot we moved again, this time to a relatively small city (100.000hab) where she has friends and family and feels better.

but is in the middle of a basedbean ultra plain green desert, were i have almost no contact with /out/. i have to ride my bike in aland that looks like a billiard table fumigated as fuck, there's not a hill in literally thousend of km, rivers are almost dead due to agrotoxics and most of the people are assholes who think they are the shit because they inherited some land from their inmigran hardworking grandpas and now they exploit it industrially.

now wife's happy, kids are happy, and i'm feeling like shit again.
so marriage is important and beautiful, but even wityh a great relationship it may be a burden.

pic related: paradise vs. shitlands"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310943 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:25:49")

>You come off as a douchebag
point just one line when he did, i can't find any.

i'm not even religious, OP, but you sound like a great guy to have as a neighbour and invite to a barbeque. i'd feel proud to count you as a friend."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310956 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:41:46")

>require that they not smoke

does this include marijuana, peyote, etc.

(not crack or heroin duh cuz i know someones gonna bring up >hurr drug user)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310961 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:53:20")

Well said. Great respect to you, anon. Keep it up. I don't know if you even realize that you are an example to others that it's possible. That alone is more of a contribution to society than most people will ever make."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310965 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)11:57:52")

"Great thing when you have like half a million saved up from your overpaid tech job, and even then you need a side income. For most people it's plainly impossible.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310970 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:02:03")

You are educating your children will in financial freedom. I congratulate you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310973 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:04:45")

Thanks. I'm honestly not a religious nut and I don't try to convert people. I think the best argument I can give for my religion is by being the best person I can be and living a healthy, good life.

I don't remember being drug tested when I went to the doctor for my physical. I'm sure if you look like a tweaker they'll probably look at you with a little more scrutiny.

It's about a marriage being happy. Everything else flows from that. Just looked up some pictures of Argentina- you've got a beautiful country! I hope you can find some great land to settle down on."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310974 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:06:34")

If you think he comes off as a "douchebag," I suspect you don't have a good feel for where it is YOU are going in life. He's made it work, as have plenty of others. It isn't for everyone, but it could be.

I have the land, could homestead and do what he does, and I'm a bit jealous of his drive because I don't. But then I didn't wife the right partner (mine is lazy and entitled), I have a "professional" job with a shit ton of student loans and other debt to repay that keeps me slogging for a paycheck way beyond real living expenses, and making my life into a financially or personally viable homesteading situation doesn't really seem possible at the moment. Ergo, yeah, I'm a damned slave and I know it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310976 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:06:49")

I actually moved from the West Coast completely broke. It takes $100k to just survive in some places. Don't measure your success by comparing it to someone else. I got caught up in that trap trying to keep up with the Joneses."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310980 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:09:48")

>I actually moved from the West Coast completely broke.
So what money did you buy your farm and found a printing company from?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310991 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:17:00")

Money I saved up after moving back to my home state. I took a lower-paying job and bought a cheap starter home to fix up.
$50k with $20k expenses lets you save up more than $100k with $75k expenses.

Printing company is easy. I bought commercial printers as they popped up for sale, few hundred bucks at a time. Worked out of my garage until it reached capacity, then I rented an industrial space in the outskirts of town.

I foundered so long because I always thought "I'll need tens of thousands to start my own business."
You just need a little time and money."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310994 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:18:07" && image=="gary.jpg")

>come from absolute poverty. everybody in my immediate family is either jobless, retired, or in jail
>graduated with useless AA degree in business
>every job in my profession pays at most $15/hr
>going to tech school right now to learn how to weld sheet metal and pipe
>threw myself $20k in student debt that i have to pay off with shitty entry-level jobs that barely pay more than my business degree jobs

i just want to buy 10 acres of land and a shitty unabomber shack. that's all i want in life but it's so fucking hard when you don't come from a rich family.

thankfully once i have a couple years under my belt in welding the job prospects get better. but god damn, the entry level job pay suck ass.

forgive me for saying this and i hope you understand, but although i'm happy for you i am very bitter and jealous because this is a dream i've had since i was a kid and i've never been able to achieve it because of reasons entirely out of my control."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310995 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:18:46")

Yeah, physician with an M.D. here. I wifed the wrong one, had a lot of debt from med school and then thought I was doing the right thing by getting a divorce. I moved to 30 acres of family land to raise my kids, sold my practice and gave her the house and all equity in it. Court ordered alimony at $3200/month (no child support, because I'm raising the kids) because I had been making $300k/yr during the 7 year marriage and she had become "accustomed" to that (i.e. she had no job and got to stay home, go to the gym, and get manicures, so she should get to do that for the next 20 years, apparently.)

I hurt for money every month. Homesteading never puts a positive entry in my bank account, it's all spent on expenses and I'm basically living off of savings, just at a slower rate than if I were living in the city. It does get better over time, but I have to face the reality that if I don't sell enough from the farm to pay the bills in any given month, I'm reducing the length of time I can do this. If I hadn't gotten married to the wrong person, I'd easily be able to maintain this lifestyle with few financial worries.

Right now, I have a cheap lease on the neighboring 100 acres. I keep it up, take care of the fences, and farm it. It generates some cash and a lot of food, but it sure as hell doesn't leave a retirement window."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1310999 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:22:08")

all of these horror stories of marriage completely ruining lives just keeps affirming my choice of never wanting to get in any romantic relationship. people are so unpredictable and selfish. relying on other people for help and comfort is like relying on a hurricane to water your garden."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311003 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:26:57")

>I've had a homestead for years
>but never took any pictures
Wtf dude"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311013 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:39:33")

This. When it comes to life-altering risk, a man deciding to get married is pretty much on par with deciding to use injectable drugs. People can tell you it's a stupid idea that will bite you in the ass, but you know better than them and aren't going to listen, right?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311026 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)12:59:43")

I'm not OP, but I got lucky with the right woman. Funding something like OP's operation just would cost far too much here in the Midwest."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311059 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)13:51:27")

>Homeschooled kids are more successful on average.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311060 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)13:52:28")

Documenting a fantasy is difficult."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311093 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:21:15")

>Homeschooled kids are more successful on average.
This is a dubious claim. There is relatively little good research on the success of home schooled vs. public schooled children. A LOT of it is garbage driven by ideology, for example anything by B.D. Ray or published in the Journal of School Choice and other questionable journals. Some interesting nuggets include:

Homeschool children showed significantly lower levels of both abdominal and upper body muscular fitness compared with their age and gender matched public school peers but no difference in cardiorespiratory fitness.
>Kabiri, L. S., Mitchell, K., Brewer, W., & Ortiz, A. (2017). Muscular and cardiorespiratory fitness in homeschool versus public school children. Pediatric exercise science, 29(3), 371-376.

Almost half of elementary school‐aged homeschool children showed increased risk for CVD and need regular assessment of central adiposity.
>Kabiri, L. S., Mitchell, K., Brewer, W., & Ortiz, A. (2018). How Healthy Is Homeschool? An Analysis of Body Composition and Cardiovascular Disease Risk. Journal of School Health, 88(2), 132-138.

The homeschooling parents reported significantly lower vaccination rates of their children, lower perceived benefits of vaccination, lower perceived susceptibility to VPDs if unvaccinated, and higher perceived barriers in comparison to the public/private school parents.
>Troupe, D., Carrol, M., McWilliams, E., Swift, P., & Li, Y. (2017). Homeschoolers' Vaccination Perception and Rate: A Comparison with a Public/Private School Population. Californian Journal of Health Promotion, 15(2)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311104 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)14:29:21")

I always dreamed of this, but I don't even have a partner ;_;
I've been alone for so long..Anyways,really happy for you OP, I wish your family the best!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311150 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)15:14:02" && image=="los gigantes.jpg")

>It's about a marriage being happy
yes, i agree, but having to let go an achieved dream of an /out/ life was heartbreaking.

> Argentina- you've got a beautiful country
yes, and (some) heartful and kind people also, but economic conditions are harsh and going down since i remember.
and as a nation we don't give a damn for our /out/, onions beans and fracking are destroying everything and is really sad to see.

some nice /out/ still remains, though.
pic is where i usually go mountain climbing, it was really close to where we moved first."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311201 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)16:17:57")

Sounds like a dream Anon. My parents own about 10 acres, where they have gradually expanded the cabin my grandparents built. Theyve worked their whole live and is now realizing how valueable the freedom they get there is. Theyre getting ready for an early retierment for they can live there. Theyve built out the cabin to house standards, built a farm and a bunch of other stuff, trying to be as self sufficent as possible. I'm currently working my ass off so I can support their dream, I'll probably take over once they cant, as my siblings arent too interested in the place outside of it being a free vacation spot.

My plan at the moment is to just work my ass off and earn money so they can build a garage, upgrade the farm and upgrade the greenhouse. Would also be nice to buy more of the land around and expand. So they can become 100% self sufficent if they wanted. My mom is also a semi-prepper so she is very keen on being self sufficent."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311245 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:07:28")

Shoot, shovel, shut up"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311262 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:22:45")

>neoluddite espouses the virtues of drudgery
protip- most people don't want to be farmers.

I mean seriously, you aspire to nothing more than feeding yourself? Every beast on the face of the Earth does that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311273 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:28:22")

And you aspire to suck on the teet of modern society? To sell yourself into debt slavery to maintain an image? To allow other people to control your life?

Listen here faggot. The only person that OP has to obey is mother nature herself. He is as free of a man as you can be in todays society. Fuck off to your precious cesspool cities"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311306 && dateTime=="07/09/18(Mon)17:58:24")

haha yeah OP is dumb anyway I have to go to work and make money for other people doing things that won't matter in ten years.

I'm guessing the money from your job goes to feeding yourself partly? If so, congratulations. You've just learned that paper money is ultimately food vouchers we give to farmers because we're too busy working at Walmart."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311892 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)07:53:17")


Don't you have an outdoor tech thread to shit up? Stick to solar chargers on your local park trail, kiddo."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311897 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)08:01:33")

>TFW no thicc, big tiddy, overalls-wearing farmer waifu for breeding"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311945 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)09:26:38")

>I mean seriously, you aspire to nothing more than feeding yourself? Every beast on the face of the Earth does that.
I have to actually agree with you on this one. Like most young men who grew up in urban environments and romanticized nature and the rural lifestyle, I fantasized about a homestead or living as a hermit in the forest. It's normal but it's also a fantasy and often a defense mechanism (ie escapism).

For me, the weekend warrior thing is best. I go bird, rabbit and deer hunting, forage and make preserves, have a nice garden, do woodworking, and spend a lot of time outside. But for my day job I am a researcher. I literally see things that no human has ever seen and my research is a balance of field observations/classical biology and I investigating genomes using cutting edge technology. It is very rewarding and exciting most of the time, I thoroughly enjoy it. It also pays well so I get to do have a nice lifestyle (hobbies, travel, security for my family etc).

There is a reason human cultures gravitate towards specialization. It is more efficient for me to do my job 40-50 hours a week, which supplies me with all the food, tools, and things I want, versus making all my food, creating my shelter, dealing with water supply and roads and the like. Why would I want my life to revolve around food production? Sure it's fun to supplement my diet and as a hobby, but to be honest I've got better things to do. People inexperience with farming and living outdoors tend to romanticize and idealize it."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311994 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:40:18")

>Why would I want my life to revolve around food production?

> Another thing I learned was the importance of having purposeful work to do. I mean really purposeful work—life-and-death stuff. I didn’t truly realize what life in the woods was all about until my economic situation was such that I had to hunt, gather plants, and cultivate a garden in order to eat. During part of my time in Lincoln, especially 1975 through 1978, if I didn’t have success in hunting, then I didn’t get any meat to eat. I didn’t get any vegetables unless I gathered or grew them myself. There is nothing more satisfying than the fulfillment and self-confidence that this kind of self-reliance brings. In connection with this, one loses most of one’s fear of death.

of course, everyone's motivations are different, but what uncle ted says here matches my experience, and your poast doesn't. ymmv."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1311998 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)10:48:03")

>often a defense mechanism (ie escapism
also, following up, I'd like to push back against the pop-psychological notion that a pseudodiagnosis of "defense mechanism" or "escapism" is enough to damn. Some things ought to be defended against and/or escaped from! People who succeed in defending and escaping deserve our admiration, not our pitying therapeutic scorn!

(though again subject to the caveat that not everyone responds to the same motivations and ymmv.)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312012 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)11:08:50")

It's not about food production. This is just means to an end for homesteaders. The reason you get paid is so you don't have to produce food yourself. But you sure as hell still eat it.

OP's point is that he gets to spend every single day with the most important thing in his life. His family. His sacrifice was his career. Him and his wife gave that up so they could live an idyllic life.

It doesn't sound like OP's life revolves around food production at all. Not many kids get to grow up with their role model constantly around."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312044 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)11:53:08")

>Spend all day every day producing food
>it's not about the food production!
ok, so OP got a job where he's allowed to take his wife and kids to work.
that doesn't mean his wife and kids want to go to work with him, nor does it mean the trade was worthwhile.

I can take my wife and kids with me to work any time, they generally prefer not to. Because that's not exactly quality dad time there. Also nobody wants to be around another person all the time, certainly not kids and parents.

there's nothing wrong with what OP is doing. It's just not what normal people want to do is all. And weirdos like OP often have very normal kids that grow to hate them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312057 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:09:14")

You're right, it's probably a shit life. That loser should go work at CostCo or something."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312062 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:12:28")

I've worked on a ranch and I've worked for a box store, I already know which one is better.

Costco sucks ass but the day is done in 9 hours. Farming also sucks ass but it goes on for 16+ hours a day, 7 days a week.

again, most people don't want to be farmers. If you want to be a farmer, go for it. But it's not "wholesome" and it's not fun for most people. It's just a very shitty job."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312069 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:19:25")

Young men who are discontent with their current state and consequently pursue impotent fantasies about running away is undoubtedly an example of escapism. These runaway fantasy threads are very common on /out/ and we can be almost certain that they never amount to any real action; if these people were capable of motivated and focused activity and leaping outside of their comfort zones then they wouldn't be in their current state.

It's easier to pretend you were "born in the wrong era" (while inexplicably spending all your time living vicariously online, but let's forget about that for a moment...) and escape into fantasies while life passes you by than it is to do the hard work of self-improvement.

Is the modern world rife with problems? Yes, and so was the past. Imagine how much more of an ineffectual, oppressed, mate-less loser you would be in a world where physical strength and aggression dictated status."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312071 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:23:19")

>living as a hunter-gatherer is the true way of living
Then why are you posting on 4chan? This is just another example of an escapist fantasy."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312080 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)12:37:11")

I'm in the same boat as you, mate. I'm in The Netherlands, so gardens are a no-go in the cities at all."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312108 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)13:02:57" && image=="18010734_1437637652977800_5710584833663103927_n.jpg")

but can't you take trips three times to southern mountains like Bariloche or something? Would that be too expensive?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312136 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)13:33:58")

You're missing the point because you want to be right. OP isn't a farmer. He probably doesn't work 16+ hour days, 7 days a week. He doesn't work to bring crops to market.

All he had to do is take care of what I'm guessing is a few acres of garden and livestock. Sounds pretty comfy tbqh."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312148 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)13:55:56")

>OP isn't a farmer. All he had to do is take care of what I'm guessing is a few acres of garden and livestock
um, that makes him a farmer.

selling crops isn't required to be a farmer. Yes, most farmers sell crops because they don't really like farming and their goal is to make money. But OP is still a farmer. A bad farmer at that."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312160 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:06:39" && image=="IMG_7565.jpg")

So now you've walked back your argument from "farming sucks ass and goes on for 16+ hours a day" and can't possibly enjoy it to "OP is still a farmer," arguing on semantics alone.

Who knows where your next jump will take us, rabbi."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312164 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:15:00")

Ah, you think because he's not selling crops he spends less time doing it?

the opposite is true.
Hobby farming takes way more time than commercial farming. Either way it still sucks.

>Who knows where your next jump will take us, rabbi.
you being retarded doesn't make me wrong.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312171 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:22:52" && image=="george.jpg")

>trying this hard to convince a happy and fulfilled person that they're actually miserable
Says more about you than anything else."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312174 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:24:26")

>still can't read
I don't think OP is miserable.
I think OP is a weirdo finding happiness in something that would make 99% of people miserable, including most likely his kids."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312185 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:36:16" && image=="antidepressantswomen.jpg")

I think you're a weirdo for thinking that OP's lifestyle would make most people miserable. Just the fact that he works outside in nature and gets daily sun/exercise while eating fresh produce produced by his own labour puts him way ahead of most city people. You don't seem to understand how much of a detriment to one's mental health urban lifestyles are. What are you even doing on /out/?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312194 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:52:47")

Maybe he should quit that life and move to the city so he can buy his kids toys and video games. Maybe then they'll be truly Happy™"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312195 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)14:55:32")

this is my dream. sadly there are few opportunities to live like this in europe. also im not christian but i do think mormons and anabaptists are some of the most based whites left in the americas.

just a quick question. how do you manage your money? credit unions or normal banks?

consumerism isnt the path to happieness for most people. its a hollow and vain endeavour and leads to debt slavery and misery"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312217 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)15:23:34")

>h-his kids aren't happy!

Imagine being this desperate to derail someone's idyllic lifestyle.
>durrr if your kids don't get what they want all they time then u suck"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312223 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)15:31:09")

>hurr-durr I was raised by a single stronk mom
>I'm a wageslave cog in my consumerist hellhole
>let me tell you how to raise happy children"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312229 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)15:38:41")

Why would someone post so much about something they know so little about?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312260 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:35:06")

You dumb as hell and probably cranky nigga lol"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312264 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:40:17")

>U can grow all ur food in two minutes per day

Are you the guy who got kicked out of the basement for being lazy?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312270 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:51:36")

Well, at least you have no idea what a strawman is."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312276 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:57:21")

Fuck you. I want that. ;_;"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312277 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)16:57:52")

the fact that most people reject his lifestyle and prefer urban living is answer enough. My point is that most people don't want to be farmers. That is a fact.
His kids won't be happy no matter what he does. That's just how kids are. They'll be especially unhappy if they're homeschooled freaks that grew up on a farm laboring for their supper and not socializing and doing 'normal' stuff.

I don't care about that one way or the other, I'm just saying the claim to social benefits of removing your kids from school and living a cultish lifestyle simply don't exist. Your kids will hate you, it's not wholesome or beneficial for them."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312279 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:00:07")

>the fact that most people reject his lifestyle and prefer urban living is answer enough
Most people have no choice in the matter both because of socio-economic constraints and consumerist brainwashing such as what you're displaying. A child will always choose the cookie over the piece of broccoli, day after day. That doesn't mean the cookie is the healthier choice."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312281 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:06:17")

>all kids that grow up on a farm labor for their food and are unable to do X, Y, and Z

Does every facet of the world you don't like fit into tiny little boxes? Do you need tendies after your inevitable meltdown upon realizing that things probably function more than fine whether you like them or not?

OP has made it abundantly clear that he is not financially dependent on farm work. Why would you assume the kids are being forced to work grueling hours? You realize this gives these kids a more /out/ upbringing than 99.9% of Americans right? Maybe you would have taken that experience and said "wow it sucked I had to pull weeds once," but most likely these kids are going to brag about how their childhood was filled with endless woods, a loving family, and experiences that made them both confident and successful.

So honestly and sincerely- before your negative attitude infects your own kids and makes the world that much more miserable... KILL YOURSELF."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312283 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:12:35")

Science says it's much more healthy to teach your child to base his happiness on whether he has the newest toy or not."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312285 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:17:42" && image=="IMG_7567.jpg")

Here it is. Here's what that dumbass OP is giving up because he wants his food and family to be raised in a loving and natural environment.

>ha at least I don't labor for my food, I can DRINK my meals!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312289 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:26:56" && image=="thatfeelsoy.jpg")

That man will have the happiest children"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312292 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:28:06")

Homeschooling children is generally unhealthy

taking them completely out of society and raising them in some rural hell only makes it worse.

these kids aren't going to grow up with OP's love of farming and disdain for the rat race, because they've seen his life and they're going to hate it. They haven't experienced the rest of society and they're going to wish they had all the things it offers.

whether OP's rejection of consumerism and technology is correct or not, it's not best for his kids because it doesn't prepare them for real life. And they're going to want that life even more because they didn't have it growing up.

you might as well raise your kids as Mormons or JW's or some other freakish cult of people that don't interact with the rest of society. It ruins them socially and psychologically either way."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312293 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:35:16" && image=="Capture.png")

"land in northern ontario canada is cheap, the water used to be high here and has carved many valleys rich in mineral soils. theres many beavers to stop flowing water and help you irrigate. can easily get 10-20 acres here on an unserviced lot for $20k. maple stands are hard to find but blueberries alone can net you 15$ an hour mid summer. tons of deer, not much lymes disease. they are chemspraying our lakes but good luck avoiding that shit";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312294 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:36:40" && image=="stop.jpg")


Living a rural lifestyle != living on an island. There is such a thing as rural community. You still have neighbours, you still go into town and know the locals. Your kids still have friends.

I know a guy who moved to a farm and lived without electricity for 30 years. Raised 5 kids, including an adopted native. All of his kids turned out to be well adjusted, happy, and productive members of society. The native dude is now volunteering in reserves around the area, keeping the kids off drugs and shit. Go on back to plebbit where you can circle jerk about the new marvel movie in peace."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312295 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:40:58")

Yeah, it's possible to have happy normal kids that are also homeschooled farmers. It's just not typical. And even then, none of them is going to want to be a farmer when they grow up.

This is why the Amish make their kids go live among the heathens for a while. It's normal for people to want what they don't have. For you urban basement dwellers that's a dream of living on a farm. For farmer's kids that's the dream of living in the city.

but life is the same either way, people are the same both places. Farm life isn't more wholesome because farmers in general are no more or less wholesome than city dwellers. In fact they tend to be more violent, more likely to be criminals, and usually poorer and less educated than their urban cohort."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312296 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:43:28")

>still trying this hard to reroute a failed argument

Just because you don't like the outdoors and rural life doesn't mean it's bad. We've already been over this. See >>1312185 for the true cost of your beloved cities. What do you think that antidepressant breakdown is when seen across population density lines, not racial?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312297 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:45:31")

>see kids, the new Star Wars movies are works of art unlike anything since!
>you're lucky to grow up in the city unlike those retards in the country
>when your old man was younger, he shouted and screamed at them until they knew their lifestyle choices were bad!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312299 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:46:14")

>It's just not typical
Says who?

> For you urban basement dwellers that's a dream of living on a farm. For farmer's kids that's the dream of living in the city.
And there's those of us who have experienced both.

>but life is the same either way, people are the same both places.
People are a product of their upbringing and environment as much as genetics.

> In fact they tend to be more violent, more likely to be criminals, and usually poorer and less educated than their urban cohort.
Ah yes, we all know quiet rural towns are so much more dangerous and crime-ridden than urban Chicago and LA."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312300 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:48:02")

>still basing his entire argument on OP working as a farmer

Raising a few acres of sheep and vegetables does not a farmer make. Unless you want to go back to your dumbass 16 hour workday argument, you should just quit shitposting. How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312305 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:55:02")

>Hurr Durr I can be 100% self sufficient by working two minutes per day

Maybe try cleaning your room before you act on your grandiose plans to grow Onions"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312308 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)17:57:06")

"Hostility to religion and virtue is such a powerful trend in modern society that it turns /out/ists into shills for urban decay and consumerism, neat.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312310 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:00:01")

At least you are their biggest influence."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312316 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:05:56")

>we all know quiet rural towns are so much more dangerous and crime-ridden than urban Chicago and LA.
they are.
Crime rates in the US are much higher in rural areas than cities.

the rest of your post is equally incorrect."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312318 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:09:31")

>can't you take trips three times to southern mountains like Bariloche or something?
i do it ocassionaly, but it's pretty expensive to that with a family. this country has the economy of a sinking ship.

years ago, when we moved first, my wife and i decided for a more easy paced life and i quitted my well paid job as an art director in a major ad agency (a choice i don't regret at all), and she sold her small clothing company.
working remote as a graphic designer was more than enough living in a small village with /out/ just crossing my back door.
now, living again in a city, expenses are high again and i have to work my ass off just to stay afloat."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312321 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)18:10:28")


>In 2016/17, the rate of violence against the person was 14.1 per 1,000 population in predominantly rural areas compared with 22.2 per 1,000 population in predominantly urban areas.

>The FBI reports the 2012 rate of violent crime known to law enforcement within metropolitan areas was 409.4 per 100,000 persons. The rate of violent crime per 100,000 persons in cities outside metropolitan areas was 380.4, and for non-metropolitan counties it was 177."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312366 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)19:18:05")

>I-if you're not working 16 hours you're only working two minutes!

You realize increments of time exist between those two extremes, right?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312368 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)19:19:32")

Wow, another negative shitposter than vanishes as soon as his constantly repeated claims are shown to be the opposite of the truth by >>1312321
Eat shit, cityslicker."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312414 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:13:20")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312424 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:19:11")

>ppl who live in the country are more likely to get injured
>ppl who live in the country drive more and have a higher risk of car accidents

No shit Sherlock, what a fucking shitty article. Guess who has a higher rate of crime?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312426 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:21:27")

> Now it’s true that the risk of homicide is greater in big cities than it is in the countryside. But the study, which analyzed 1,295,919 deaths from injury between 1999 and 2006, found the rate of dying from an unintentional injury is over 15 times higher than that of homicide for the population as a whole.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312431 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:26:24")

See how quickly he goes from "towns have higher crime rates than cities" in >>1312316

To "l-look at this article I hastily searched" in >>1312414

Just give it up you fucking brainlet. Cities are much more dangerous. Facts don't really give a shit how you feel about something. They're going to remain true regardless."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312450 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)20:49:10")

>R: 125
>Zero images of OP's op

I call bullshit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312468 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:10:29")

>Then why are you posting on 4chan?
because I don't always do what I know will contribute most to my flourishing. I imagine you can relate; if you can't, congratulations, and I mean that quite sincerely.

(this applies to revealed preference arguments in general, of course.)."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312472 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:16:41")

>Cities are much more dangerous.
>article literally proves the opposite
Facts don't really give a shit how you feel about something."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312474 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:20:29")

You were claiming that farmers were "more violent" and that rural areas had more crime.

>get proven wrong with facts
>b-but non-violent injuries!

Keep moving those goal posts."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312475 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:22:27")

I made the mistake of saying "crime rates"
you made the mistake of saying "more dangerous"

if you're not going to overlook my error I won't overlook yours, you drooling fucking retard."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312476 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:22:51")

>If you put your marriage before all worldly things, there's nothing that can stop your happiness.

Until your wife cheats on you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312491 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:37:40")

"poorfag here, where do I find property for cheap that will support me? what are the things you look for in your area that tell you the land is suitable to provide?

i was thinking of buying a quinta in southern europe with some olives and oaks. then again I could go to eastern europe and become a shepherd.
Was also thinking it could be doable to buy property in canada and small scale manage the forest and rivers and harvest game to survive.

All of these options seem to be much more affordable than acerage where i live in the u.s. however it might be a problem to get citizinship."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312493 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:37:59")

Wow, now I'm the one in the wrong! All you had to do was change your argument 20 times.

Is this all you do? Sit in your urbanite apartment and hate other people? All that pollution and crime is taking a toll on your health, anon. Better gear up and head to the nearest pocket park that's littered with used needles and condoms."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312500 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:52:25")

I think you're talking to two different people, bud. But I can see that you'll keep going after having been shown the truth just for the sake of arguing. I don't really want to keep going with you, I thought you wanted a discussion, not to push some anti-rural agenda with made-up facts like how much crime is in the country.

I hope you find what makes you happy Anon, it's definitely not arguing with strangers on the internet."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312502 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)21:54:57")

Unlike men, women are much less likely to cheat for purely physical reasons. A woman in a happy, healthy relationship will not cheat in most cases."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312509 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:05:56")

>I made the mistake of saying "crime rates"
Bullshit. It wasn't a wording mistake. You were simply talking straight out of your ass >>1312295

>farmers in general are no more or less wholesome than city dwellers. In fact they tend to be more violent, more likely to be criminals, and usually poorer and less educated than their urban cohort."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312545 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:51:03")

Just another butthurt urbanite trying to derail what was a good thread. Maybe he's the one that scared op off"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312574 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:33:44")

Hey man it seems like you're taking steps forward at least.
If you keep it up you can realize your dream and make a better life for yourself."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312585 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:56:24")

I get that you are trying to put people's escapist fantasies into a realistic frame ie. pulling back those rose glasses.
But I think you are also just trying to shit on others as well.
Many people can find happiness and fulfillment in their work and yes this can apply to people just working the land. I know a few children of weirdos who pursued their "weird interest" of medicine engineering or command in the navy who had "normal" kids who grew to hate them because of their work/family lifestyle.
Perhaps you need to do some self examination and think about why you are shitting on others just trying to lead happy and fulfilling lives."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312594 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:02:24")

>Imagine how much more of an ineffectual, oppressed, mate-less loser you would be in a world where physical strength and aggression dictated status.
This is actually a weird one for me because I have greater strength and aggression than most people and this contributes nothing toward my status in the modern world."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312604 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:11:38")

How do you get water on your property"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312607 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:13:18")

I am in a new area where I am
Making connections to become a hunter mentor. The, best advice I can give before you go out in the woods Tryon to kill, bambi is read the regulations, front to back, several times over. And then, simply allow n animal to present itself to you."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312629 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:51:58")

>there's not a hill in literally thousend of km
That'd fuck with me the most, I hate flatlands"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1312886 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:12:56")

Not op, but he said he lived in Arkansas. I grew up in NWA and there's no shortage of water. Wells are easy to dig and it rains constantly."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313028 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:24:14")

>tfw your near-genius child fulfills only 5% of their potential because of your autistic ideas on childrearing but it's okay because you're their biggest influence"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313255 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:09:40" && image=="tranniescanada.jpg")

>tfw your near-genius child becomes a preacher of the new religion because you opted to delegate their most crucial years of development to the state instead of taking an active role yourself"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313318 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:02:51")

>tfw your child fully embraces white guilt because you sent them to public school to be taught by Jarneesha who got the job thanks to affirmative action"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313356 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:13:42")

Damn. Unfarmable creekground that floods twice a year is $4100/acre and tillable land is $19,000/acre."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313366 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:26:01")

Holy shit, they literally look like monsters. Like fairy tale witches. Theyre gonna fucking cook those children.

They were right about gay marriage and the slippery slope. Holy shit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313384 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:47:41" && image=="dragkidwtf.webm")

You rural rednecks are just afraid of change"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313411 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:29:28")

Are the amish not he fastest growing religious group in America atm? Only the truest amish stay (I think 70% plus) after their time "among the heathens." The fact that they have such high rates of people staying within the community would negate most of what you are saying."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313412 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:30:12")

How did you pay for all the farm equipment?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313413 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:31:17")

How did you randomly go from tech guy to a printing shop?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313416 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:32:55" && image=="scary-witches-around-cauldron.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313424 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:41:30")

Wikipedia says I am right.
90% of young adults between 19-24 stay Amish after their rumspringa. In 15 years (92-07) the Amish community grew 149%.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313447 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:25:01")

Pick on the left looks like my grandparents' house in Croatia, with the mountain, the trees and all. Fuck I miss that place"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313449 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:25:30")

i hope so. just seems like i'm really walking up a muddy fucking hill. my body's already starting to go to shit at 23, i'm already getting inexplicable shoulder joint issues and pains that no doctor can figure out. seems like i might be on medication for a while because of it and it might only get worse. not to mention just being poor and in that really fragile transitional period of education on top of all that.

i really am getting no help at all during this whole struggle, but i'd rather work my joints to the bone and still die destitute, than ever be at the mercy of another person providing for me. at least if i go homeless or something it would have been my own fate i chose.

where in the midwest? most land is cheap as hell from what i can tell."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313451 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:26:11")

>Homeschooling children is generally unhealthy
>source: your ass"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313476 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:17:03")

>You'd think on a board like /out/ people would not defend city life so desperately...

Half of the people on this board are larpers opie. You're living the dream my man. I could only hope to stumble into something like this after my time in the service is finally up. Keep your powder dry."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313489 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:12:24")

This is the time to start being honest with yourself.
>do you get healthy and balanced physical activity outside of work
>do you have unhealthy habits
>social isolation
>lack of proper sleep
>sedentary lifestyle
Any of these problems are difficult to overcome especially if you have a negative view of your prospects. And please don't think I'm just speaking out of my ass, I'm dealing with some of these issues myself. I work with robots on an off schedule and while I make "good money" my life definitely needs some work. I definitely drink too much and have trouble forming meaningful relationships simply because of the hours I work (3-11).
But pursuing responsibility and self improvement in general certainly helps to put me on track in a positive direction regardless of the problems I face (I'm only 26 and my back hurts A lot).
Just making small positive changes everyday (EVERYDAY) will put you on the way to a better life.
Wish you all the best friendo, put in the good work."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313493 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:20:33")

Being homeschooled ruined my life. For the sake of your kids at least let them go to normal high school"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313499 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:59:03")

"So is homesteading just a synonym for subsistence farming or is there more to it?";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313513 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:46:57")

My childhood was great for the few years I was home-schooled, I was doing algebra and reading at a college level in what would have been the 1st grade. The State I live in mandated public school 2nd grade onward and my family was too poor to afford a private school or to jump through the hoops necessary to keep homeschooling me. I really enjoyed spending the next 10 years of my life losing all the drive I had doing busywork and being surrounded by subhuman retards, I'm very thankful for people like you that welcome the forced replacement of family with state."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313519 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:06:53")


I was never home-schooled, but I wish I was.

As an intelligent person, the public education system harmed my motivation, drive and progression in so many ways that it frustrates me to think about it - and the school I went to was actually good in terms of educational attainment. I would not wish upon any child to experience this."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313522 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:14:43")

Successful homeschooling, like public schooling hinges on two things; the educators, and the environment.
With homeschooling, both are up to the parent."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313579 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)07:57:38")

And now the truth comes out. No facts or figures, just a butthurt fag with mommy issues."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313699 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:06:41")

>I was never home-schooled, but I wish I was.
>As an intelligent person, the public education system harmed my motivation, drive and progression in so many ways that it frustrates me to think about it - and the school I went to was actually good in terms of educational attainment. I would not wish upon any child to experience this.
This psychological damage is necessary in order to function in modern society."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313838 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:02:15")

I'm not the guy you were originally talking to.
My parents did a good job until I was in high school. At that point they really tried to hold me back. I think my mom in particular was afraid of what might happen if I had friends. She thought I would be less holy or something.
Then again, she is the one that begs me to stay living at home although I'm done with college now. I guess she just wants me to always be a child
To some degree I can see where you're coming from. Going to public university and seeing how everyone was so money focused and depraved really killed any ambitions I had. I went from a 18 year old with an associates degree and a 3.9 GPA to a 20 year old with a 2.6 GPA whose ambition is to live at a ski area.

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313891 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:58:31")

fwiw, the problems associated with divorce are a direct result of government policy. Government-mandated alimony/child-support could be abolished via state constitutional amendment or legislation (it depends whether the particular state constitution mentions alimony/child-support). It has nothing to do with humans being bad at marriage; civilization would collapse without sufficient numbers of good marriages."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313985 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:32:22")

You want an agricultural hobby that will feed you and let you have something for barter? I'm sure there are plenty (having beehives or other more yuppie pursuits come to mind) but if you want a massive return, plant 1/2 acre of potatoes. Holy hell, I did my Google-fu and learned all I could, planted and figured I might have a successful crop and might not. A half acre gave me FOUR TONS of potatoes, with zero experience ever raising anything. Yeah. 8,130 pounds, I weighed the fuckers. Great news is they store well, people will trade for them, you can cut some for seed potatoes for next crop (but it isn't really expensive to buy new treated stock that is guaranteed to have no disease.) I had minimal problems with potato bugs, had mediocre soil that I plowed in with donkey manure a couple of months before planting, other than that I had the local ag extension office run a soil analysis that told me what potato breed would be best in my soil. After a couple of hard days work planting, I irrigated once when we had a really dry period for a couple of weeks, just using a literal garden hose and buckets after 10 days of dryness. I walked the field every other day or so, probably pinched off a couple of hundred bugs by hand, sprayed soapy water on any minor bug infestations about once a week by hand, and pulled a few weeds here and there - all more for my feeling like a farmer than it being absolutely necessary. Gotta bury them deep though and if any potatoes get exposed while growing put more dirt on the mounds, or they'll turn green and become poisonous.

When you give a friend or family member a 20-lb sack of potatoes, they feel like they owe you something and you'll get a few pounds of carrots, corn, or whatever they have from their garden in return. I couldn't give the damn things away fast enough and I'm still eating potatoes now every day, and all the people I gifted them to are constantly bringing me what they grew in return. FUN!"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1313992 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:44:54")

Not OP, but I disagree with this analysis way more than OP probably would. Sure, far, far healthier psychologically and socially to raise your kids as MOST kids today are raised - which is to say parents spend very little time with them, their activity consists of first person shooter games and social media, and school takes over teaching them "values." As in, yay for LGBT, yay for white people are evil, yay for all liberal/leftist doctrines are good and anything conservative is inherently bad.

I'm willing to bet OP and his wife spend more time standing beside their kids and interacting with them in a week than most parents do in a year. Sorry, but that can't be a bad thing, and their level of supervision and teaching leads to a level of inculcated responsibility that will make OP's kids highly likely to outstrip most of their peers by leaps and bounds in any relevant measure.

But sure, let your kids (if you ever manage to breed) just run down the usual public school path. They'll be in great company with the "no child left behind" crowd while a few disciplinary problem kids are so busy showing their asses in class without consequence that zero education happens unless the kid does it in homework anyway."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314004 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:13:47")

Of course. They're just unsure of how to defend the fact that their entire /out/ identity centers on GPS, brand name "hi tech" synthetic fleece clothing and gear, Yeti cups, an appropriately sized carabiner for every personal possession, and wi-fi or 4G maps to define the boundary of acceptable exploration."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314012 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:27:16" && image=="1984.png")

I refuse to believe this is true, at least they surely had to request parent's consent?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314015 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:29:54")

I live in Toronto. Let me just tell you that there are many such parents who would consent."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314025 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:39:47")

You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314027 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:47:26")

It was a voluntary activity organized at a public library. Probably all kids of fags and super lefty types anyway.

A while back there was a case, also in Canada IIRC, where some leftists spazzed out because a public library allowed some white pride types to rent a room to have a discussion.

Free speech is a two-edged sword.

Maybe in the Gaybourhood, among Rosedale champage socialists, etc. Not where I grew up in Toronto, though. It's not that people would be clutching their rosaries or korans, rather that most would roll their eyes and silently shake their heads. But admittedly, I do know some people who probably would take their kids to this kind of shit."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314029 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:49:12")

>Thunder King
Well, not bad."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314031 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:50:14")

I'm sure somewhere in his head he is thinking "how did i get here, just fucking kill me""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314034 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:51:45")

The "rumspringa" is not really like what you've seen on shitty TLC reality shows.

They stay for the same reasons most people don't leave their religion/ethnic circles."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314035 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:52:19" && image=="1494475551057.png")

fair enough."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314048 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:14:32" && image=="Uranus2.jpg")


>smart but lazy meme

pic related; it's you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314067 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:46:46")

"My family has been homesteaders so to speak since I was 3 years old. They purchased 35 acres and dropped a single wide on it back in 97. Since then they've built their own house and lease over 100 acres of farm land from a farmer they do jobs for.

Business. Business. Business. You need an income. If you think you can grow your own food, dig for water, and run around your yard naked with a BB gun playing war with your imaginary friends, you are wrong. Good luck paying for inspectors and plan reviewers to come in and approve your new barn, or your new greenhouse, etc. Good luck paying taxes. Good luck having health insurance for your children when they contract anal glaucoma from your Uncle Jesse. Good luck paying for vandalism repairs and general cost of maintaining your property. Just not going to happen. You need money to keep the government out of your hair. You need savings for when times get tough. You need a pot of gold to start with because you don't know anything starting out and will not be good at anything for your first several years.

My family raises about 100 feeder hogs a year. They have over 1,000 chickens in several modular coops that fertilize their 5 acres of grass land. They cut trees from their property and sell them in the Winter. They do jobs for other farmers in their area.

There's an entire different society and economy within the agriculture business. Farmers rely on each other. There's a barter and trade system. You don't have to be 100% self sufficient, nor will you ever be successful at it if you do try. Humans have never relied on self sufficiency."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314071 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:50:10")

since you seem ill informed, most home schooling - when not done by an insane person who will inevitably be arrested for something crazy - involves meeting up with other home school kids in the area. home school kids even go on field trips similar to "normal school""

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314160 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:23:56")

I know a lot of home schoolers, most of them lagged behind on social skills. Not drastically, but noticeably."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314171 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:51:35")

">tfw just want to buy an acre or two in Oregon but I know I'll have to work my ass off just to get the land, nevermind all the extra work and income I need to put into it after";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314179 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)23:19:40")

Good post, thanks for reality

Those hogs and chickens must smell awful...another reality"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314209 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:10:10")

>My parents did a good job until I was in high school. At that point they really tried to hold me back. I think my mom in particular was afraid of what might happen if I had friends. She thought I would be less holy or something.
>Then again, she is the one that begs me to stay living at home although I'm done with college now. I guess she just wants me to always be a child
I'm not surprised. The motivation behind home-schooling invariably involves fear, albeit well-placed fear: fear of the child running with a bad crowd, getting into drugs, learning bad things from "the system", and basically being out of their parents' sight. It doesn't surprise me that your mother can't accept that are a grown man and out of the nest.

People idealizing OP's LARP forget that children often go through a phase where they don't like whatever their parents do and that a rural lifestyle is not necessarily the best for kids these days. Rural areas are often infested with drugs and related crime. You can't expect teenagers to be as excited about your ideal lifestyle, especially when they have completely different priorities and crave experience. And hiding them from the outside world spatially or ideologically via homeschooling is basically creating a ticking time bomb: when they go to college or move out to a city they will probably be out of control vs. the other kids."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314210 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:11:19")

>being too poor to send your child to a private Christian academy
>not taking an active role in their life while
simultaneously building an empire for them to inherit"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314212 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:19:29")

>thread about homesteading
>homeschooling mentioned


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314213 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:21:26")

So, back to home STEADING, instead of home schooling.

How much of the 100 acres do you use to yield cash crops?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314430 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:58:44")

You're a swell guy anon, and you made my day.

Thanks for sharing your beautiful, well-fulfilled life! :)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314481 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:51:24" && image=="1524785062840.jpg")

Internet retards telling people how to raise children

My sides



if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314486 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:56:18")

Id bend him over if i had to"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314488 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:58:25" && image=="brainlet1.png")

>parents don't have access to the internet"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314494 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:07:51")

Does't the government just come and tax the shit out of everything to stop people from ever doing this?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314497 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:08:51" && image=="1527558315170.jpg")

Is that what you all are calling yourselves now?
Stop it I'm having a hard time breathing now
Do us all a favor and step aside old man"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314531 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:08:11")

Not really, in Pennsylvania you can apply for Clean and Green which drops taxes on land to barely anything as long as you keep the farm in working condition and don't build too much, don't know about anywhere else."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314583 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:03:11")

I don't even understand what you're arguing here. Are you claiming that no one in this thread has children? Try to be at least a little coherent please"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314587 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:10:11" && image=="1524718850706.png")

Alzheimer's hitting hard already
What I'm saying is everyone on here is not fit to be a parent"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314595 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:19:55")


Land taxes in my county are like $4-500 a year max for 100 acres. If you're lucky and buy something zoned "Agricultural" that was parcelled off from a legitimate farm tract, you can get it lower than $100 a year. This is Oklahoma."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314596 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:20:19")

You've created a nice little paradox for yourself there. If what you say is true, then you can't possibly be in any position to judge, being that you're one of us. Therefore your opinion is worthless according to your own reasoning."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314627 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:22:21")

Yeah its not a fucking picnic like the way every incel here is making it out to be. It is one thing to teach your kids more advanced courses than they typically would take at the local zoned school but schooling is not just about being well educated. It also places children in an environment where they can flex and exercise their social muscles so they can be well adjusted when they enter the workforce or interact with people at social gatherings like dinner parties and university. You are really doing your child a disservice if you keep them from experiencing and growing up relatively normally. If you've been bullied severely for being an ugly social reject, I'm sorry but this is not typical for most people and many will actually recall their (((suffering))) fondly because they suffered it together. Being around family all the time turns you into a sheltered person who is used to a very controlled environment who reacts poorly to new social dynamics. For God's sake, if you want to instill in them special values and principles, send them to a school with likeminded parents. Don't keep them around the house so they're only experience with girls is close family and friends and they're confused as to why they are mocked for being who they are by the more vicious of society."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314634 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:30:42")

This happens hilariously with military acadamy grads vs. Other commission sources. West point nanned us so hard that a few of my classmates went super hard to make up for lost years"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314945 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:21:01")

"100 acres for 100k in Arkansas? Lol you're a bad troll OP";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314952 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:27:53")

>wanting a better quality education for their children
What gives?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314953 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:30:45")

I wish I was intellegent as you and made good life choices as a kid"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1314971 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:47:18")

consumerist faggot"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315086 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:55:42")

you're a fuckin god broseph"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315196 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:57:07")

What bumfuck town?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315222 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:47:08")


tough shit hombre, can't you find something that's more the best of both worlds?

Are there any /out/-ish regions like 45minutes-hour outside of Buenos Aires?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315253 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:37:47")

Hey anon, how far is your homestead from the city? Sorry if someone else asked it before

I'm looking to buy a homestead to live on with my gf, soon-to-be wife"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315265 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:54:02")

29 year old single poorfag. Is it to late for me boys?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315608 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)19:06:05")

What the fuck are you on about? They aren't hiding in the mountains from the government. They just live on a farm. Those kids are still socializing with other kids in their area and doing normal kid stuff. They just also spend time on a farm."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315876 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)01:16:53")

OP has had his fun and is long go, so we are left pissing in the wind"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1315974 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)05:51:24")

Lol Costco #256 reporting in. I agree it's the worst. Going to bakery soon and also drive for night merch so I won't see members anymore :^)"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316524 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:24:18")

>Hunt coyotes until half an hour after sunset

Fixed that for you"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316532 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:28:27" && image=="1531348393816.jpg")

>Making 300k a year and has a house
>Doesn't get a pre-nup
>Has kids
>Chooses to divorce wife

why would you do that to yourself?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316546 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:44:55")

he's larping
In the US alimony only lasts as long as the marriage did.

this guy doesn't know shit about divorce. No reason to believe anything else he says."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316553 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)19:51:23")

"It's funny how some posters in here are talking about 16+ hour days and all that yadda yadda yadda.

Unless you're a full time farmer managing thousands of acres, thousands of livestock, etc. You aren't working long days. If you are, you're doing something very very wrong.

We raise 120 chickens at a time in our tractors. Takes maybe 30 minutes a day to move the tractors, feed, water, and inspect the chickens.

We have 2 hogs in an old barn we hog proofed.Takes another 30 minutes a day to tae care of them.

Whatever project you have, you only work long hours twice a season. Setting everything up, and harvesting. In between it's just minimal maintenance each day after work. Inspecting gardens for weeds and pests, feeding the animals, etc.

Homesteading is very easy to do. The hardest part is coming up with the money to start homesteading, and knowing how to make money from homesteading to continue the hobby."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316631 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)22:15:31")

look at when varg got married"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316638 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)22:26:44")


Actually, most states are free to put life-long alimony in play. However, "customarily" this is only used for 20+ year marriages. However, an activist judge can rape you at will.

-t dude whose best friend almost lost his family's 4000 acres to an activist judge but was saved because he had video taped the signing of the pre-nup so the attestation that his ex-wife was coerced was thrown out the window. She still gave her alimony, just not life-long although it seemed it was going to go that way."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1316643 && dateTime=="07/15/18(Sun)22:35:07")


>In the US alimony only lasts as long as the marriage

Now you are larping. It's based on state law, so 50 different sets of rules.kys"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317276 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)15:34:39")

Then modern society is founded on pathology"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317285 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)15:46:12")

>still living at home
>no places will call me back
>no experience with any of this
I want to get this started because fuck living in the city for so long.
Is there anything I can do to get a head start on any of this? Maybe a small garden in my yard or something?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317633 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)22:05:41")


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317643 && dateTime=="07/16/18(Mon)22:20:06")

You are blurring the lines of escapism and living a disciplined life with clear cut goals.
There can be some escapism to that, a lot of it probably is. But you can't write the whole thing off. I'm very content running a family homestead."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317845 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)02:33:27")

Don't they have rentable gardens with shacks in your area? Kraut here, we have 400m2 gardens with a shack for roughly 300€ per year. You're not allowed to live there, but you can simply get two gardens in different places and are set."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317863 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)03:27:07")

Fuck you guy, farming gives me a sense of purpose and the labor feels great."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317864 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)03:31:45")

I don't think the kind of gardening with rented little lots that goes on in cities of some European countries is a thing in America"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1317992 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)08:56:34")

Small herb garden, then move to a small veggy garden.
Fresh garden herbs are redpilled as fuck."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318019 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)09:43:04")

I definitely saw it in Boston"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318030 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)10:02:05")

Yeah true. I'm assuming Varg had to virtually start from scratch when he got out of prison. Didn't really think about that. There's still hope."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318109 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)12:10:50" && image=="1531404668456.jpg")

Good luck out there desu. Not everyone learns from relationships or accepts responsibilty, you deserve a second chance"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318153 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:26:23")

shouldnt you be looking for some sacred texts that Bethesda hid in Tamriel while downing a gallon of dew and bag of tendies?"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318170 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)13:56:15")

"This is impossible in Britain. Land is way too expensive, and any land which isn't has no building rights so you'd have to live in fear of some faggot from the council coming over and telling you to demolish your dwelling.";

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318174 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:01:00")

eventually as population growth increases housing pressure you faggots will either change your rules or overthrow your government."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318176 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:03:25")


Probably shouldn't have given up that empire buddy"

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1318178 && dateTime=="07/17/18(Tue)14:05:11")

Britain already has one of the most expensive housing markets in Europe, with objectively the smallest houses being built on the continent. Denmark has the largest houses, and those are more than twice the size (in square feet of interior space) than in the UK. It is absolutely fucking disgusting living here unless you're right or you don't mind being surrounded by normies, Muslims and Africans all day and night.

I've thought about buying land in somewhere like Hungary, but I know in reality I won't be the "smart, mysterious British guy" over there but just someone the local gypsies will rob, or who the local peasants will laugh at for being conned into paying over the odds for some dilapidated barn with no electricity."

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==1320525 && dateTime=="07/20/18(Fri)12:40:26")

>My wife homeschools the kids.
Is she qualified to do this or is it just basic education without government audition?"