import 4.code.options;
import 4.code.about;

class Header{

public void title(){

String fullTitle = "/tg/ - Traditional Games";
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public void menu();

public void board();

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class Thread extends Board{
public void /VG/VampiretheMasquerade&RequiemGeneral(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "/VG/ Vampire the Masquerade & Requiem General";
int postNumber = "60785806";
String image = "VG.png";
String date = "07/10/18(Tue)22:38:07";
String comment = "Tzimisce Screeching Edition
>Pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/7HiVphFm
>V5 Rundown
https://pastebin.com/bhRvfQdC
>Pre-orders for v5 are available now
https://www.modiphius.net/collections/vampire-the-masquerade
>V5 preview
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/article/5b34db132bd9bf0f75f02eeb/V5_PREVIEW_JUNE_2018
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/store/item/204/V5_Preview"
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public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60785821 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:39:17" && image=="dylan.jpg")

"first for Visions of Gehenna";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60785844 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:41:05" && image=="1461875955361.jpg")

"Stat him, /VG/.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60785857 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)22:42:08")

"Previous Thread
>>>60736011"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786133 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:01:22")

">>60785844
Name: Demitri Maximoff
Clan: Brujah
Nature: Monster
Demeanour: Tyrant
Generation: 12th
Embrace: 1508 CE
Apparent Age: Mid-30s
Physical: Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3
Social: Charisma 3, Manipulation 2, Appearance 2
Mental: Perception 2, Intelligence 3, Wits 4
Talents: Alertness 4, Brawl 5, Dodge 2, Intimidation 3, Intuition 2, Subterfuge 2
Skills: Animal Ken 2, Melee 4, Stealth 2, Survival 2
Knowledges: Investigation 1, Linguistics 2, Medicine 2, Occult 2
Disciplines: Animalism 3, Celerity 2, Dominate 4, Fortitude 3, Potence 3, Protean 5
Backgrounds: Domain 3, Fame 4, Resources 2, Retainers 2, Herd 3
Virtues: Conscience 1, Self-Control 3, Courage 5
Morality: Humanity 2
Willpower: 5

That's about right. Maybe also Thaumaturgy 2: Weather Control."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786148 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:02:16" && image=="Nagaraja_v20,_p._406.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786282 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:11:50")

">>60786133
What was the Discipline that can change the sex of/sexify someone?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786314 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:14:05")

">>60786282
Vicissitude, Thaumaturgy and Chimerstry, but that's not what Dema does."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786422 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:23:51")

">that 8000 year old voomer who meets final death in the 90s";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786487 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:30:20")

">>60786422
Which one of them?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786553 && dateTime=="07/10/18(Tue)23:36:12" && image=="Vampire_aor 2018-07-11 04-28-43-40.png")

"Huh. Unexpected side effect of bringing Serena to the modern nights (aside from her being fucking terriyfing even comapred to Christof with Ainkurn, due to the power of her magic and pets). She has a puppy thanks to shambling hordes. I wonder if this might unbalance the game a little? The Age of Redemption mod has made guns nasty as hell, so might actually balance out.

>>60784906
Thanks anon. I especially like >>60784873 this page. Might continue collecting the Vertigo trades, got lazy for a while. Is this during or after the Vertigo run/imprint?

I've always loved John, Lucifer, Swamp Thing, Sandman and the other Vertigo lads, and even lump Zatanna in there, but the larger connection to the DC universe dulls the feeling of dread. It doesn't matter how many nasty fates I see happen; the fact that Superman could save you at any instant, Wonder Woman will be on the news that night, somehow takes away the horror of the darker aspects of the setting."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786875 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:10:54" && image=="21077338_10155018432408251_2177897692365604712_n.jpg")

"Would anyone know where I could find a copy of By Night Studios VtM LARP books? Especially the subs like Storyteller Secrets.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60786878 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)00:11:00")

">>60786487
Zapathasura"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60787613 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)01:21:22")

"Have you ever had a comedic campaign/character? How far are you willing to go without risking the grim atmosphere of the setting?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60787670 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)01:27:10")

">>60787613
Yes. Latest was superhero Baali. With bright tights and grandstanding and everything.
>grim atmosphere
Is overrated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60787901 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)01:51:27")

">>60786875
Well there are a couple MEGAs they might be in, but OP didn't link them for some reason."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788073 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:06:53")

">>60787901
OP was missing some pasta.
>MEGA (mostly Chronicles of Darkness)
https://mega.nz/#F!rFIDxRRK!IEzkLlroRoPwmDqtxKRMsw
>MEGA (mostly Old World of Darkness)
https://mega.nz/#F!KI00XCZA!sFV9L2S77bld5vzEmw5-vg
https://mega.nz/#F!cSRAhRSb!_w_CXRj14pgt8C9nP6ursw
>V5 preview
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/article/5b34db132bd9bf0f75f02eeb/V5_PREVIEW_JUNE_2018
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/store/item/204/V5_Preview"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788478 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:48:10")

">>60787901>>60788073
Everything is in the pastebin. No point in linking it three times just to be special."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788492 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:50:14")

"Is this vampire game that new nazi one people are talking about?
I mostly just play d&d."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788529 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:54:45")

">>60788492
It literally mentions neo-nazis once in a paragraph in a 20 page preview. Because Neo-nazis do exist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788549 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:56:17" && image=="Blood_Brothers.jpg")

">>60788492
>>60788529
Nothing new about it, neonates."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788561 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)02:57:57" && image=="Doktor_Tötentanz.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788573 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:00:07" && image=="Heinrich_Himmler.png")

">>60788561
aaand one of most famous Tremere."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788583 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:01:28")

">>60788529
Cool. It's great to find a game where I can express my right leaning politics.
Are the rules detailed in how to form say a skinhead group of vampires or maybe how to play an SS division of vampires in charge of a concentration camp?
I'm getting some great ideas for source material."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788695 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:16:33")

">>60788583
>a military division, some ten thousand men
>in charge of a concentration camp
>instead of civilian authorities
You're not the brightest light bulb in the pack, are you? That's not how any of this works."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788704 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:18:02")

">>60788695
Tell me how you'd organise a concentration camp?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788711 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:19:04")

">>60788695
>men
What? Women can't be in the military all of a sudden?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788722 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:20:21")

"Why are they called the Kuei-jin? Just call them jiangshi so I don't cringe every time I encounter one.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788783 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:27:29")

">>60788583
No. Not at all.
It's one fucking mention. Why are people blowing this up? is it that unbelievable that a neo-nazi in life will stay a neo-nazi as a vampire?
They aren't said to be good guys or anything.
Why are people even talking about this?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788794 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:29:28")

">>60788711
"men", noun. Meanings:
(...)
2. (collective) (The) people, humanity."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788800 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:30:29")

">>60788783
I thought that there was a problem with Vampire having that serial harasser/Alt-right guy Zak Smith working on it.
I assume that is why the nazi thing is coming up now that we have alt-right people working with white wolf."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788807 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:31:32")

">>60788794
of course how silly of me.
A group of people (both men and women) is called men."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788816 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:32:24")

">>60788704
I wouldn't. It's boring, mind-numbing job mostly involving administration and logistics. That's for pencil-pushers who don't have enough bureaucracy in their real life. My PCs have better things to do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788834 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:33:45")

">>60788800
no. Zak Smith was hired for one minor off-shoot thing and then promptly removed. He is no longer in any way connected to White Wolf. Especially considering the thing he wrote flopped."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788877 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:38:59")

">>60788834
I heard he is getting security for GenCon because he is scared of people wanting to punch a nazi."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788923 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:46:13")

">>60788877
He's a leftist though. He wrote a trans vampire in his shitty little story."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60788941 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:48:20")

">>60788923
a trans vampire who was named after a trans woman he feuded with on twitter and who was a stereotypical hysterical lib killing everyone who disagrees with her."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789007 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)03:59:03")

">>60788941
Yeah it was a poorly masked backhand at that trans woman.
Fancy using a platform like Vampire to make personal attacks against someone. No wonder he is accused of being a serial harasser."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789017 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)04:00:45" && image=="egoist_anarchist_flag_v2_by_anarchomania-d901i1s.png")

"Until recently I was always more into Mage, but now I'm full on into Vampire.

Kind of into the Anarch Lasombra - they seem like the ultimate egoists"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789114 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)04:15:37")

">>60788923
>>60788941
>>60789007
Idk he said he was Bailey Jay and so did she."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789122 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)04:16:56")

">>60789114
Zak is Bailey jay?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789141 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)04:20:25")

">>60789114
>trying to insult linetrap
>feeding the internet hate machine
How fucking stupid do you have to be?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789212 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)04:29:45" && image=="1530422256620.jpg")

">all this political shit without even attempting to turn it into Cammy and Sabbat and Anarch shit
>the political shit that seems to worm its way into every goddamn thread

I want to meet the sunrise."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789644 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)05:38:31")

">>60788800
Zak Smith is an extremist leftist faggot tho."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789675 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)05:44:24")

"Would it be wise for Justicar to force two kindred to be blood bound to each other to reduce internal conflicts in a Camarilla? Or would it be wiser to kill one or the other. For the situation I'm in as a storyteller, the Justicar could face serious problems if either party were executed in this court scenario.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60789868 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:06:10")

">>60789675
two way blood bond is perverted.

why not tell them to knock it off or else, like you would two bickering parents and if either one or the other or both don't listen punish them and then if they still insist on bullshit you replace them"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60790029 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)06:28:46")

">>60789114

oh damn, he said something? nevermind then boys, pack it up, we're done here"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60790656 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)08:09:14")

"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mysterious-black-sarcophagus-found-egypt-12893846
spoopy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60790778 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)08:28:30")

">>60788583
What you need to know is that true NatSocs join the Sabbat. Many sources agree that the first jews were the antediluvians, which killed the pure Second Generation. Caine, the purest being of all, is the first aryan"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60790789 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)08:30:47")

">>60788800
If you're alt-right, you're a jewish pawn"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60790853 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)08:40:24" && image=="when you help a kid near a train crossing.jpg")

">>60790656

>mfw i'm killed in a blood tide brought about by Set"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60792089 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:43:12")

">>60787613
Had a brujah who behaved like an action movie hero and used his presence only when delivering his terrible one-liners so that everyone thought he was super cool."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60792093 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)10:43:27")

">>60790656
Seties got some explaining to do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60792645 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)11:34:16" && image=="Split Soul.jpg")

"How does one play a proper Malk?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60792748 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)11:44:20")

">>60788492
This was a bad troll, and I'm ashamed you all fucking fell for it, you fucking gigantic morons.

>>60790656
Fuck, Lacroix is going to send me to go carry that fucker here isn't he?

>>60792089
TBF, seeming cool when you're not is literally the best use of presence.
Like it's basically what it's for. V20 even has a combination discipline with presence for making up snappy one liners if you can't come up with any."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60792902 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)11:57:42")

">>60792645

I'll tell you how not to play one.

You're not some lolsorandom meme-machine that tries inherently to fuck everything up around them just because "I'm crazy, lol" It’s just immature and irritating for the other players.

You wanna know how to do it?

Fear.

I held a job in Social Work in the late 90's and part of my job was investigating the needs for people with mental health issues. And part of that job is to assess people and to learn the difference between the people who are faking it to get free benefits and the people who are genuinely suffering.

The fakers will self-diagnose and create laundry lists of problems they've googled and wear them as a badge of honour. They’ll act absent minded or goofy and generally get very defensive whenever you investigate further.

The real cases are much more heart-breaking.
People who don't know or understand what's going on,
People who are fucking terrified of what's going on in their head, they know something's wrong but they have no control or power in their own mind to stop it.
People who just want to be normal so they can live a happy life.

People who are scared of becoming something else other than who they were before it started to go downhill.

And that's a big part of Vampire's story arcs, you ARE becoming something else other than who you were, and to top it off as a Malkavian, you're now losing everything sacred to you, everything that made you who you are mentally as well as physically.

I quit my job after six years of that. I'm soft as shite when it comes to this kind of thing, and seeing people on a regular basis start to change and "mentally decay" like that was too stressful to monitor. If you want to play anyone with mental health issues it’s a tragic subject, it’s all about loss. Loss of self and identity, and more often than not, loss of people around you, because some folks don’t or can’t be burdened with the responsibility of looking after you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60792985 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:05:39")

">>60792645
This guy>>60792902 is right.

In one of by the Night there's a malkavian prince(or baron, can't remember now) that has two personalities. As prince he wears a mask and is totally terrifying, but the moment he take the mask off he reveal his weaker personality.
He's constantly afraid that he could lose his mask in front of his subjects and reveal his shy nature in front of all.

Malk's curse should be terrifying for them. Never pick megalomania as derangement, it's boring as fuck"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793008 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:07:16" && image=="template.png")

">>60792645
worked for my game"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793037 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:10:01")

">>60793008
Who's thaat?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793060 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:12:35")

">>60793037
>not recognizing Milla Jovovich"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793099 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:15:06")

">>60793060
From what movie?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793223 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:24:00" && image=="^7459F3DCDD2EAD3D8E04CA3078E69185ADC3919628A5A7603F^pimgpsh_fullsize_distr.jpg")

">>60792985
My favorite idea for a Malkavian was something like...

>Be janitor working nights in office building
>Cleaning and shit in this board room
>Get tired, so sit down at head of table as fuck it, no one around
>Men burst into the room carrying another, beaten man
>They address me as Prince and say they found the "sabath" traitor I wanted alive and ask what we should do
>I stare at them blankly
>After a few awkward moments, the one who seems to be in charge ask if they may "diaberalize" him as per their right
>I manage to nod because they are expecting something
>Holy fuck, they rip out his throat and drink all of his fucking blood
>Can a human body even fit that much blood?
>MFW holy fuck vampires are real and they are right here and have mistaken me for their king or something
>MFW it has been decades of keeping up the ruse and doing everything I can, even drinking blood, to not let them catch on. I have a family, a daughter, if they find out who I really am what will they do to them?
>also MFW they all seem to think I am a good leader because I make up convoluted nonsensical reasons about clan and sects to justify them killing anyone that I know is on to me"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793251 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:26:06")

">>60793099
The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793257 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:26:20")

">>60793099
Even without knowing the movie I can 100% tell you it's Joan of Ark.
Come on man, you've got crazy woman + cross."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793327 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:31:45")

">>60793223
Sooo.... the wizard of oz?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793381 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:35:13")

">>60793327
I hadn't thought of it that way, but I like it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60793719 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)12:56:55")

">>60785806
( Player advertising on behalf of GM)

>System Preferred
Vampire The Requiem 2nd edition (aka blood and smoke)
>Times Set (with timezone!)
Not yet set. / timezone of GM:GMT -3
>Method of Play (Skype, IRC, roll20, etc)
Discrod server
>Voice or text
All text
>Contact Info/Discord Room Link
gocch#6349
>Additional Notes
>Sin City + The Usual Suspects + Fangs (2e Vampire: the Requiem)
>Set in a snowy industrial metropolis somewhere in michigan"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60794115 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:21:54")

">>60792645
As per the Rosenhan experiment you may be able to have some success just playing it totally straight — reverse psych yourself out to try and be as sane seeming as you possibly can and see how it plays out..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60794357 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:37:06" && image=="outrage.jpg")

">>60793719
Sure sounds good, I'll get on disc-
>all text"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60794491 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)13:45:43")

">>60790656
Gehenna is upon us, kindred
why didn't you cammies listen"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60795276 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)14:32:33" && image=="Ankaran_Sarcophagus.png")

">>60790656
It's cool, just don't open it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60796051 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)15:22:24" && image=="1488603142511.gif")

">>60794491
The Sabbat will serve as a distraction while Cammies hide in secured bunkers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60796503 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)15:47:40" && image=="jkAxzPc.jpg")

">Frenzy check twice in a row.
>Botch both times, bringing my Instinct down to 1.

What did I do to Caine to deserve this?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60796643 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)15:54:21")

">>60796503
Playing a path and one with instinct on top of it
>>60790656
Antediluvians are just a myth, neonate"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60796675 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)15:55:40")

">>60796643

Well how else is my Toreador Antitribu going to avoid becoming a Wight when her idea of fun is fucking in public, corrupting college students and making bone baskets for her packmates?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60797126 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)16:18:00")

"How would one go about learning the Path of Harmony?

also why all the instinct hate?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60797399 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)16:30:51")

">>60792645
For a more simple approach consider making a compulsive gambler.

Have him focus just at normal gambling while the embrace is still fresh but gradually losing interest and searching for his kick in other ways.

Have him gamble for boons, take a gamble during combat, be drawn to more fucked up ways of gambling (probably run by the local Setite).

Take a que from >>60792902 and have his friends and family hate him for all the trouble he causes, have his coterie distrust him because he fucked them over by gambling in some way. He realises that he has a problem but it just feels so good when he does it, especially now that he's dead the thrill of gamble makes him feel alive again.

Have him become more disheveled as him fucks himself over again and again but always managing to not meet Final Death thanks to his Mlkavian intuition. A endless cycle of gambling, winning then losing more than he had.

Look for movies about addiction in general for ideas about behaviour. A good example, even though it's sex-addiction, is Michael Fassbender in Shame to see how a non-drug addiction can fuck you up. maybe some documentaries about it as well : This is just after a quick google https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2728044/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60797524 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)16:36:56")

">>60797399
Oh and a good idea would be to not make him some sleazy Vegas stereotype.

More heartbreaking or shocking is to have someone be a really nice guy until his issues pop up dramatically. Either they know they have a problem and they try extra hard to be nice to compensate or for a more devious angle think of domestic abusers.
Most of them aren't some David Cage "I beat little kids for breakfast" cliche, a lot of them are pretty nice ppl until something just snaps in their brain.
It's what makes some justify his behaviour since "he's not always like this" or what makes it hard for people to escape them since everyone around them sees only their good side"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60797584 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)16:40:06" && image=="peacock.png")

">>60792985
You're talking about a character featured in the revised clanbook.
Pic related"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60797859 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)16:54:03")

">>60796675
That sounds lewd. And how is she corrupting college students? And are bone baskets like fruit baskets, or is she just basket-weaving with bones?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60798010 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:00:51")

">>60797584
Would you ever have a player play a character that was a prince or a regent? That seems rather high ranking."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60798259 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:12:13")

"Question to any Lore-whores out there.

When a body is deceased, is there a time limit on when you can embrace it? Like say some mortal gets shot, dies and then a vampire in their infinite wisdom performs the Embrace by draining the blood dry and then donating their vitae. Is that even possible to revive them as Kindred?

Or is it a strict process of biting, drinking every last drop and then bleeding vitae into their mouth?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60798308 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:14:28")

">>60798259
I think it has to be right around the time of death for the embrace to take effect."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60798470 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)17:22:32")

">>60798010
Not all domains were made equal - being Prince of particularly troubled region might be more of a curse than a blessing and good premise for a chronice."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60799140 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:01:58")

">>60798010
I don't think that one is supposed to be used by players, it's more of a guideline for the ST.
Because letting a player be an old world prince is a bit much"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60799202 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:06:48")

"I really don't care about vampires but it's what my group is doing next, what's a good first character concept? It's Sabbat, are they all murderhobos?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60799301 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:13:48")

">>60799202
Don’t have to be. You can make a warrior salubri or ventrue antitribu that’s basically a stoic warrior."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60799637 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)18:34:09")

">>60799202
Depends on where your chronicle starts.
The easiest would probably be to play a regular mortal that got turned into a shovelhead.
Basically hit with a shovel to the head, turned into a vampire, shallowly buried so they crawl out in the "target area""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800760 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:51:10")

">>60786875
Storyteller's Secrets has never been released. Only the VtM, WtA and Pickering Lythe books. They're in this link: https://rpg.rem.uz/World%20of%20Darkness/Classic%20World%20of%20Darkness/Mind%27s%20Eye%20Theatre/

Pickering Lythe is in the main link, MET Vampire the Masquerade (22MB) is the newer book in the Vampire folder, but I don't see the WtA book there."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800778 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:52:12")

">>60789644
And also literally Jewish who had actual family die in the Holocaust, so..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800800 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:53:33")

">>60798259
For Masquerade, they have to have the blood in their body as they die. REquiem has the post-mortem Embrace, which I think is based on the BP of the vampire in question; higher BP = longer they can be dead."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800872 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:58:19")

">>60799202
I mean that depends on what you mean by murderhoboing.
The Sabbat do not give an ounce of a shit about human life, not one whit. If the choice is between snuffing out an innocent or mild inconvenience, a worrying amount of sabbat will not even consider that a choice.

But they sabbat are led by 2 clans, both of whom have delusions of nobility and predlicitions towards noblesse oblige. There's a lot of very stationary psychopaths
Also they have their own version of the masquerade. Sure they don't give a shit about the opinions of the cattle, but they also don't much care for having to fend off violent mobs, and having to stake a couple of their young ones and leave them for the sunrise to avoid the trouble they're also just fine doing that.

In short, be as much of a murdering psychopath as you want to be because your superiors don't give a shit about human life, but also don't cause too much trouble because your superiors also don't give a shit about YOUR life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800888 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)19:59:21")

">>60798259
The Giovanni can embrace a LONG time after death. But for the Mortuari rules to make sense, the embrace has to be the thing that kills them, they can't already be dead."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800931 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:02:18")

">>60800800
For Masquerade the process can be performed on a dead body so long as the body is "still warm" you can interpret that how you like on pg.9 of the V20 Core Book.
I'm also pretty sure the Giovanni can do something with embracing the long dead through a ritual. But that's a bit... sketchy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60800943 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:03:21")

">>60800931
Ahh. I'm recalling older versions of things, 'cause I didn't bother with V20 (I have all the things that are in V20 with my Revised and 2e collection, barring the dumb things like Anarch Sorcery)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801127 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:15:44")

">>60800931
The giovanni can do it through "The ferryman's recall", from 12 hours (If you're thirteenth generation) to 2 weeks (If you're sixth), but any such person basically still looks like a corpse and is a necromancer themselves.
Like you can't be embraced this way and become a toreador."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801227 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:22:46")

">>60800943
>Anarch sorcery

Eludicate. Because that sounds mighty retarded.
Why does everyone get to be a fucking wizard now?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801295 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:26:44")

">>60801227
>now
Everyone and their mother got special Thaum paths in revised already.
The complete reset of Thaum is one of the things I'm the most excited about for V5"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801314 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:27:43")

">>60801295
Every clan got their own wizard shit, sure, but "Old skool" and "Hacktivist magic" is still a new level of stupid."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801324 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:28:14")

">>60801227
There's a Blood Magic book for V20 that has Anarch Sorcery, which is weird. Like, one of te rituals is 'cast this, beat up a human, and based on how you beat him up you take on aspects of their appearance permanently; tear out a piercing and swallow it and you get that piercing, tear out a chunk of their hair to get style/color'. It's just... it feels like a supplement treadmill book.

>>60801295
Hopefully. We literallly have no previews of Thaum from V5 yet unless you have the embargoed product."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801353 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:30:33")

"Thinking of making a Caitiff. Any tips?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801371 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:31:54")

">>60801314
Well sure, but atleast some of their shit like the kool aid was thematically fitting.
>>60801324
>Hopefully. We literallly have no previews of Thaum from V5 yet unless you have the embargoed product.
I'm basing it on the pretty big mechanical revamp we're getting, just copying over those rituals and paths won't work and given what they're doing with Celerity I doubt they want a completly broken Thaumaturgy again.
I'm honestly way more interested in what they're going to do with Malkavians, the possible plot hooks in BJD were great"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801374 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:32:20" && image=="36976872_10156172553735465_5931697294335279104_n.jpg")

">We at White Wolf know you have some very pressing questions for us, and we're here to answer them.
>We would like to invite you to join us for an "Ask Us Anything" livestream later this week, at 8:00am Pacific Time (1700 CEST) on July 13, where Jason Carl, Producer of Vampire 5th Edition, will be present to take your questions and provide open, straightforward answers.
>We will address all of your questions, comments, and criticisms for an hour, and we ask that you come to us with absolutely any of the topics that have been raised during recent discussions (or any other time).
>It is important to us that your concerns are met with honesty and transparency. Please join us at https://www.twitch.tv /whitewolfentertainment for stream.
Fuck. They are engaging. That always goes down well and never becomes a social politics dumpster fire. You don't apologise, because then there is blood int he water, you keep going. An actual live AMA is just asking for trouble."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801392 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:33:56")

">>60801353
There's a canon tip in the books that also work out of character: Get a lot of disciplines.
You don't pay out-of-clan for ANYTHING.
You want serpentis and obtenebration? Done."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801408 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:34:59")

">>60801371
Thaumaturgy hasnt' been broken since 1st edition, it's honestly pretty shitty in v20, and if they nerf it even just a little bit more there is literally no reason to play tremere."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801414 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:35:27")

">>60801374
I dunno, I trust Jason. Also, this will be a BIG kick to the people who constantly praise BNS and OPP, and suddenly, OH SHIT A GUY WHO WRITES FOR/HEADS ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES IS INVOLVED MAYBE THEY AREN"T SECRET NAZIS.

>>60801371
I agree. I'd love to see some variable Thaumaturgy stuff. The Celerity rewrite and the new Toreador weakness are two of my favorite things from the full preview.

>>60801392
Assuming the ST doesn't veto it. I wouldn't allow a Caitiff with two clan-specific Disciplines like that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801459 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:37:52")

">>60801414
>Assuming the ST doesn't veto it. I wouldn't allow a Caitiff with two clan-specific Disciplines like that.

Not from the begining maybe, but you get yourself a neonate or ancillae dumb enough to share."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801475 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:38:54")

">>60801459
Also (sorry for the double post but I just realized after pressing send), the setites LOVE sharing their shit, that's sorta the whole point."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801528 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:42:00")

">>60801459
Learning it in game is a different thing. And also, Caitiff pay x6 for everything regardless, so they're trading off the ease of clan disciplines for slightly more difficulty at everything."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801542 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:42:28")

">>60801475
>>60801459
That would assume that an ancillae that dumb would survive.
Or the neonate know enough to teach
>the setites LOVE sharing their shit, that's sorta the whole point.
Sure if you want your character to end up as one of their crack whores go for it.
Setites always get their due."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801554 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:43:08")

">>60801528
They pay x6 instead of x7 for out of clan, so what I'm saying is dip into a bunch of stuff.
Get a LOT of different stuff, because you can afford that, and you have no incentive to stick to specific disciplines."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801589 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:44:59")

">>60788783

Why would they stay a neo-nazi? You're a superhuman monster now. Why in fucks name would you persist in any kind of belief about aryan purity? You have a whole new level of purity to operate on, and the whole ethnicity thing is pretty explicitly obliterated by the fact that blood potency doesn't give fuck number one about how white you are.

If by 'stay a neo-nazi as a vampire' you mean 'shift your belief in aryan purity to vampiric and blood purity' then, uh, yeah, we call those most vampires."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801599 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:45:45")

">>60801353
Caitiff isn't your custom class to create your overpowered snowflake with all the fanciest Disciplines you can stuff into your char at creation.

You're a bastard; you quite literally don't know who sired you. So ideally, you belong to a clan, you just don't know which one.
Leave the Disciplines to your ST, sure have some creative input if there is something there you absolutely want to have, but don't roll Caitiff as an excuse to walk through the Disciplines Supermarket and take your pick.

Too many new players do this, and one too many get a big fucking shock when they're told NO by their ST."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801601 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:45:53")

">>60801554
That will require him to spend a lot of favours on that which he can't use for other stuff, or will have problems getting in the first place"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801647 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:48:53")

">>60801554
They pay x6 for all Disciplines, including the three they start with via dots/freebies. pg 124 of V20 and pg 143 of Revised."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801704 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:52:46")

">>60801601
Caitiff teach other non-clan disciplines, I mean that's literally canon.

Potence, and fortitude are sort of "In the blood" and don't really need a teacher as per the rules.

And yes, it's going to be difficult to become a strong vampire as a caitiff, but it's going to be dififcult to do LITERALLY anything as a caitiff, you may as well aim for fucking success.
And this isn't an unreasonable path to take, it is the CANONICAL advice given by succesful caitiff to younger caitiff.

>>60801647
They pay the same for disciplines with freebies, because freebies cost 7 freebie point regardless of dots, and aren't affected by in-out clan disciplines. In fact the core book encourages you to go out of clan with freebie points.

The dots they can pick from whatever they want."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801709 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:53:02")

">>60801589
>Why would they stay a neo-nazi? You're a superhuman monster now. Why in fucks name would you persist in any kind of belief about aryan purity?
Why would their believes change? There is literally nothing in being a supernatural monster that challenges those.
It's like asking why are there still vampire commies/anarchists/monarchists/islamists/christians/etc.
Becoming a vampire doesn't change your conscious mind in any way.
>and the whole ethnicity thing is pretty explicitly obliterated by the fact that blood potency doesn't give fuck number one about how white you are.
I would be willing to bet that there are Ventrue that will disagree.
People know that blood transfusions between different ethnicies work, that doesn't stop anyone from being racist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801742 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)20:55:50")

">>60801704
I think we're talking around each other guy. I read your statement as 'you pay normal for in-clan and then only x6 for out of clan' and was correcting that, but I am realizing I misread your original intent, so my bad."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801825 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:03:44" && image=="DogWithDice.jpg")

">>60801374
>>60801414
>"I really think you may want to choose someone who isnt white with a shaved head for this....I mean seriously?"
>This is an unironic comment from that post
I think you are being woefully optimistic. Some of these people are insane. Also, see image related. It seems that someone really didn't like that article or that furry guy DogWithDice is in phase two of some plan or other because, geunine or not, he's given the armchair actisvists something to work with and add to the portfolio of WW's 'crimes'.

I almost hope that the upper echalons of WW really are right-wing. Not nazi's, but frustrated right wing. Because if so they won't bend or break under this. Getting a V5 that is every bit as controversial, politicallt incorrect, and fucked up, only to then have all future supplements neutered would be even more painful than the entire thing being underwhelming from the start. Fuck all these lunatics. I thought WW/World of Darkness was the one franchise I loved that was safe from them given its horrific themes and content. But most seems to have come off of the 20th's and OPP material reading through the posts. Many of them never had the pleasure of reading the dick throwing days, Vykos the literally gender-fluid degenerate, and God help them of they caught a glance of some of the Black Dog material."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801859 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:06:16")

">>60801589
>Ethnicity doesn't matter

Ever heard of the Giovanni, boss? Spaghetti and incest baby.
Also like a bunch of bloodlines and clans are ethnic in nature, and pretending they don't exist selectively to shut down the idea of controversial fucking vampires is just weird. The tzimice run human breeding progarms ffs.

Vampires are the same people they were in life, but everything they are gets a predatory edge, there is no reason for them to discard wrongheaded beliefs, ffs the lasombra are feudalists to a man."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801902 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:09:14")

">>60801825
I read the article. While they have some points that more or less state 'Martin should be muzzled and someone else should do their PR,' the whole 'anti-virtue signalling' and all the other MIGHT and MAYBE is libelous, especially the incensing way he writes.

There was also some information that came out on Facebook from a couple of other RPG writers that the guy who wrote the article had been talking for about a week beforehand about an issue with Dawkins and a desire to ruin his career. So, yeah."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801926 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:11:20")

">>60801859
Never understood that.
Why do Tzimisce, the clan most removed from humanity, get special human breeding programs and families? It feels like a ventrue or Lasombra or Tremere thing. It feels like the devs decided to throw on yet another special thing for the tzimisce, already arguably the most unique clan, to have."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801982 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:14:48")

">>60801926
True, but don't the Tzies see humanity as nothing more than cattle more so than the average vamp?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60801999 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:15:39")

">>60801926
I think it's part of their whole "Viewing humans as objects" thing, but yea. There's a definite thing where if they're not sure where to assign an idea they have the Tzimice get it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802116 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:23:34")

">>60801926
Probably something to do with getting the best blood or flavour?
Or maybe they're treating them the same way we treat livestock or even dogs, breeding out certain traits to make them more easily "Domesticated.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802149 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:25:56")

">>60801589
Because you don't instantly turn for 'Geoff the Skinhead' into Count Monster the second you are embraced. Humanity score, remember? It's you (and the whole you, including political leanings, vices and personality triats) and the beast, but until that humanity score drops it's still mostly you. A vampire that felt the desire to beat up the homeless is going to be worse once embraced, not better, because the beast wants him to give in. A vampire that hates immigrants is likely to still hate them, maybe even refuse to feed off of 'dirty blood', rather than just changing his worldview instantly. What >>60801709 says. Can't believe this even needs to be explored."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802277 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:33:30")

">>60802116
That'd be a ventrue project.
The second bit is right, it's a breeding program to aquire certain traits. Except for the Zanosta, or whatever, who are just there for fun."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802300 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:35:02")

">>60801408
Why do you say that? From what I understood the Tremere were hated because of potentially broken Thaum."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802366 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:41:16")

">>60801926
I think it's just an extension of their fleshcrafting - unlike most vampires, they see humans as something to be grown for spare parts and potential embraces. Though a few of those revenant families have defected or even joined the Tremere, which is kind of cool. It's always good to be able to work with shit without them only being tied to one clan."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802399 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:44:29")

">>60802300
Because he's retarded and is trying to trigger people, Thaumaturgy is easily the most broken think around"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802568 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)21:57:29")

">>60801825
Original article https://web.archive.org/web/20180708153619/http://www.dogwithdice.com/whitewolfaredead/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802649 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:03:55")

">>60785806

So, is it true that V:tM is alt-right now, and run by 'Swedish edgelords'? If so, I could really get into it now. That and the Brujah weakness being 'triggered', which sounds like a hilarious potshot at libs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802683 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:05:59")

">>60788722

As a Chinese, I would say that 'jiangshi' is inappropriate. Jiangshi are more like zombies, to be honest. Also, they hop. Evil mages tend to remote-control them to use them as assassins."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802750 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:10:44")

">>60802399
Dude we've discussed this in like the 3 previous threads and people have cited pages and explanations and just fucking genuinely explained this over and over again.
Just fuck off. Thaumaturgy is shit, and has been shit because they hit it with the fucking nerfbat over and over again.

>>60802300
The tremere were hated because of broken thaumaturgy 20 years ago, which resulted in them putting more concrete limitations on thaumaturgy.

Also now everyone's got magic, and generally the tremere is the worst magic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802751 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:10:45")

">>60801825

This is a man crying literal bitch tears. Awwww, gamers were MEAN to him because of all the slander. He's going to need cocoa butter for all that asshurt."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802776 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:12:02")

">>60802649
Nah, it's not. And the use of the word Triggered was in a gramatically-correct manner (Their frenzies are triggered by Blah) but the word has entered the social parlance as something else, and so..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802806 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:14:03")

">>60788722
The fact that their name is a portmanteu bullshit pseudo-asian name fits perfectly with the fact that they are portmanteau bullshitters who pretend to be more than they are.

Gweilo would be the Cantonese word for what they want, but that also .literally means "Whitey". So, y'know, there's that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802837 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:16:03")

">>60801825
DogWithDice needs to learn that some things desire to be exclusive. It's not meant for everyone. Vampires are a white genre. quit stomping our nuts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802845 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:16:44")

">>60802649
Eh, it just might be. You never know. I'm down either way. V5 looks really promising and I refuse to let a bunch of snowflakes crusading against it spoil my enjoyment of the only launch of anything I'm looking forwards to this year."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802891 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:20:16")

">>60802837
B-but anon! Didn't you see Blackula?! Never mind that the guy at the top LARPs as Vlad Tepis himself, albiet the first vampire, but one whose historical figure is well know for being about as violently anti-Islam, and rightfully so in or out of context, as its possible to get."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802909 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:21:23")

">>60802750
I mean FFS we had people go through an explain how thaumaturgy is worse than comparable disciplines at doing the exact same thing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802918 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:22:05")

">>60802891
>Because I know some pedantic shit is going to pull me up on it
The first BIG vampire than launched the subculture and shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60802938 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:23:07")

">>60802909
I mean, even if it's worse it's still in-clan access to multiple (inferior versions) of the disciplines. It's a trade of power for versatility in that regard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803024 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:28:08")

">>60802938
Thaumaturgy isn't useless, it's a cheap way to get a lot of stuff. But in terms of power it's very low on the totempole, and since you still have to buy the paths at 4x and the main discipline as a normal discipline (Path of blood, which is just generally really underwhelming) it's less versatile unless you've been playing for a while."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803052 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:29:58")

">>60803024
Well that I'd definitely agree to. It does seem hard to strike a balance with thaum/necro type disciplines where you can branch out multiple ways."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803433 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:53:21")

">>60803052
Necromancy is way more potent than Thaumaturgy at the moment. Not only its paths as a whole are more than twice better, you can take a bunch of merits to break it worse than anything short of WoS Koldun. Mind, I'm not complaining, I like playing mages."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803544 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)22:58:32")

"Forever GM here being pushed towards this game by my players. Liked what I saw in the Requiem books a friend had when we were in college ten years ago or so, but I'm far from an expert. How do I get into this?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803600 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:02:10")

">>60803433
Necromancy is way more potent with its paths, but they're of limited utility outside of their very narrow specialty (It's a special game that regularly deals with wraiths).
The rituals of necromancy are crazy powerful though. There's one that's basically murdering anything short of an antediluvian, no save and no way to track it back to you outside of ST fiat or a specialized tremere and an interpretation that Necromancy counts as blood magic.

>>60803544
The reqiuem books are really rather good for getting into the setting. Skip everything that has to do with bloodlines, read a bit of the fluff, read some setting info, and just generally ask."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803625 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:04:16")

">>60803433
>>60803544
>>60803600

>3 dubs in a row"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803794 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:16:04")

">>60788583
Fuck off back to /pol/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803832 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:18:06")

"Ignore Nazi posts, hide Nazi posts. These invasions aren't ok. I don't play vtm, but this shit is fucked up.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803857 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:19:42")

">>60803832
Do you play requiem? If so what's some fun lore stuff to look up for requiem. I don't play it, but plothooks are funs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803873 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:20:43")

">>60803794
He's not from /pol/ you dumbass, he's a troll trying to make you mad by bringing up stupid shit.

>>60803832
Like this, this is also a troll.
Just ignore this shit.

There are no nazis here, there are no brave people standing up to nazis, there's just dumbasses trolling you and you falling for it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803894 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:21:42")

">>60803873
>There are no nazis here
There are definitely nazis here."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60803958 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:25:38")

"Why is Dark Ages V20 talking about larceny and streetwise skills when they aren't even presented in the ability section of the book? Were they really so lazy to copy paste those over from v20?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60804015 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:29:04")

">>60803958
That sounds entirely possible.
I mean half the art in lore of the clans is taken from other books.
Heck one of the pieces of art is taken from a parody book they put out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60804119 && dateTime=="07/11/18(Wed)23:35:17")

">>60803958
WoD20 devs are lazy hacks. Lazy, obtuse, biased, opinionated copypasting hacks. The only book that was somewhat outstanding of the whole lot is Beckett's Jyhad Diary. And Changeling core, gay as it was."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60804633 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:15:17")

"Why does Kupala want Vicissitude users to create ugly shit instead of turning their ghouls into qt traps?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60804689 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:19:52" && image=="1500404061421.jpg")

">>60804633
Tzimisce are pretty hot imo."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60804757 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:25:43")

">>60804633
>Kupala want Vicissitude
>notkupala notparasite tenth dot power unbeatable antediluvian reeeeeeeeeee"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805053 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:49:53")

"So I've been out of cWoD for a long while now and I'd like to catch up with Vampire. Should I collect all the revised stuff, or just the 20th material?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805085 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)00:52:14")

">>60803894
only if you consider the cammies nazis, as they habitually slaughter thin-bloods and caitiffs in their baronies"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805196 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:00:16")

">>60801589
How dumb are you, my dude?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805240 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:03:46")

">>60800872
>be as much of a murdering psychopath as you want to be
Terrible advice. By default, a recently embraced cainite should have high Humanity, which keeps lowering because he's obligated to commit more and more depraved acts to please the pack he loves"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805254 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:04:32")

">>60805240
I think you entirely misunderstood what was being said."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805665 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:38:06")

">>60804689
if I defect to the sabbat will I be granted a qt tzimisce gf?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60805737 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)01:43:26")

">>60805665
>>60805665
No, you'll meet the sunrise for a weakling that can't even pass through the most basic ritae"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806023 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:09:35" && image=="1531292761170.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806198 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:24:35")

"How long do you think a vampire can keep ties to their old human lives, and when do they just become a straight-up backstabbing vampire with no connection to any people or place?

If I look at Bloodlines, LaCroix is a fuck and he's been alive only about 200 years - he maintains an aristocratic facade, but I doubt he was that much of a fuck when he was alive. But there's that anarch that grumbles about Damsel reminding him too much of what he fought in 'nam, so he'd only be about 50 or 60 years old. Nines also developed his ideaology during the Depression years. But Jack doesn't seem to have much ties to his past - he's gone from a pirate to a biker down to his way of talking, and while he's still rebellious that doesn't seem to be that much due to his past, but due to his way of living.

Granted, the oldest of those vampires we get to know were only about 400 years, so maybe it takes even longer than that to really lose your connections to things?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806222 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:27:49")

">>60806198
Requiem straight up requires you to keep ties to your former life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806227 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:28:12")

">>60806198
Depends on the vampire."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806305 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:35:39")

">>60806198
I think jack and a few others like beckett are an exception just from their personalities and places in the meta. I expect vampires would maintain their own human lives until it threatens the masquerade. Certain vamps like toreador would probably cultivate new human connections and repeat the process."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806308 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:35:49")

">>60806222
Well that sounds strange, but apparently V5 is doing something like that too if I remember right."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806399 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:44:11")

">david hill got banned from RPG.net
He's the gift that keeps on giving"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806403 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:44:46")

">>60806198
Well Jack has been alive for 400 years, and was a traveller even back then. Any ties he would have had that could have survived would have to be symbolic. Any person he know was probably dead at the time of his embrace anyway (He was near 40 in a profession where most people don't make it to that age)

But there is no indication he's changed much, he's maintained his humanity and personality through the cause. Same as Nines.
Nines said that he's the only one who hasn't become dust or switched sides, those who switched sides are the type who become inhuman elders. Nines kept grounded because the cause itself keeps him grounded.

>>60806308
I honestly think it's a great mechanic. There are a lot of mechanics that should have been retrofitted into old world of darkness, and the bonds tying you to your humanity being an integral part of your descent into vampirehood is one of them.

Humanity represents your connection to basic humanity, it's not just a karma meter. The ties to your former life are tied to certain levels of humanity, and they are what keeps you grounded. If you fall enough, If you lose the ties to those things, you also lose your ties to humanity. Once you stop caring about those things... well, you've lost a bit of who you used to be.
It also makes the vampire story a more personal one. Instead of vampires just instantly ditching their old life for Jyhad, because that's more practical."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806446 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:48:27")

">>60803873
>There are no Nazis here

>Mfw I once played a game with people I met on here and one turned out to be a Bulgarian who actually and literally supported the nsdap"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806509 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:54:29")

">>60806446
That guy must have been born in 1930 the latest to be around and politically conscious when the NSDAP were still around. Talk about ancient ..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806517 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:55:24")

">>60806403
Well what sort of ties are these? Ideologies or moral codes I could understand, but in older editions it seemed like most vampires faked their deaths because it was easier than trying to explain to their family, their old friends, their old coworkers what they'd become. Keeping a family together was a strange practice.

And for me, it comes as something of a disappointment. Part of my problem is that I always play the good guy - even in VtM that would likely be true, but at least there would be some pressure to become a hunter, to sever your ties with humanity on some level aside from what mementos you keep for yourself. Making it so that it's a struggle to remain human feels more...dull. I'd prefer skipping straight to what my character became, not the struggle to get there."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806540 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)02:57:12")

">>60806509
Nah, I mean he believed they had good policies and wanted to see them repeated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806616 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:05:12")

">>60806540
Bulgaria had (has) quite a bit of a gypsy situation, Reich promised to take care of that - this argument alone made it appealing for a lot of locals.
The part they might not like if it were to actually come down is that locals qualify gypsy as somebody with at least half-blooded heritage, or falling into the lifestyle. The party might actually go by anybody with any trace of the heritage at all, which pretty much means the whole damn nation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806739 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:20:12")

">>60801825
Black Dog Material shock people? No, it would bore them. It bored them back then, it'll continue to bore everyone forever. It's not made anymore because its approach is prosaic and uninteresting, and WW learned this a long time ago. For whatever reason, nuWW insists on fighting reality.

Also, if nuWW are secretly frustrated right wing folk, that really makes it higher in odds that they'll shatter like cheap glass. The marketing will go to hell, the book will fall through, and they will bleed too much money for Paradox to keep them around. In fact, that might even happen if they aren't, quite frankly.

>>60802837
Yeah, some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.

Also, fuck off."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806761 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:22:26" && image=="1258569638580.jpg")

">>60801825
Black Dog, you say?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806795 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:27:56")

">>60806616
Roma*"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806807 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:29:50")

">>60806517
Touchstones tend to be tangible, real. But if your ST okays it, there's no real reason why it can't be an abstract thing.
The thing is, its not like you have to hang out with your touchstone. There's no rule that says you have to go say "'sup my man?" It is entirely possible that you faked your own death when you became a vampire, that's...fine.
But you still care about things, and those things that you care about are the touchstones.

When you stop caring about those objects it's a manifestation that a big part of who you were as a human is no more.

Maybe your touchstone is your sister. Let's call her "Emma". You could either be one of those vampires who say hi to Emma every once in a while, but you could also be the sort who ,every new moon, sit in an unlit car across the street from her new house, watch her and her kids through the window. Just to check if they're okay, y'know?
That's your touchstone.

Then one day, you... just sort of stop showing up.
In the beginning maybe you didn't have time. Your boss is 600 year old and eats people who don't show up on time. Then maybe the business became an excuse... then maybe you stopped even bothering with the excuses. You don't even think about her (Ella? Erica?) anymore, got a new life now, well... you say "Life". You didn't even notice she moved to the retirment home in Florida.
That's you losing touch with your touchstone."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806820 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:32:06")

">>60806795
If you wanna get technical, yes.
Roma is a heritage thing, gypsy is a lifestyle thing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806837 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:34:04")

">>60806820
>gypsy is a lifestyle thing.
Nah, it's a slur, mate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806839 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:34:16")

"Continued:

Maybe it's an object.
Maybe your uncle left you an antique watch, it used to just be a nice little thing. You thought about pawning it to buy dope once or twice, but... y'know, it just felt like you shouldn't.
Well you don't do dope any more, and you still hang on to that watch. You still think about pawning it every once in a while, but it still doesn't feel right. Sometimes you polish it, maybe oil it a bit. After your embrace you tend to keep it in your pocket. It just feels like it belongs there.

Then maybe one day while you're draining some poor dumbass dry who was dumb enough to go into a dark alley... you drop it, and you don't go back to pick it up.

Maybe it's a plac.e
Like think of the really old school vampires, your tzimices and so on who still resides in their ancient family estates carrying on the old family name.
Like who the hell have even heard of the Whocaresskis of the lower Germantownia. But, even though the family line is technically dead, and the house technically owned by some trust which if you trace it back far enough is owned by some Swiss holding company...
Well, that vampire is the one who has that holding company, and he will keep using his name, and he will flay anyone who does not respect his ancestral home."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806851 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:35:51")

">>60806795
Roma is just one of several kinds of traveller.
The romani sure made out well on that one.

"Yo we gotta stop calling them all niggers, that's offensive as fuck."
"I agree sir, we'll use their own name for themselves. We shall call them Zulus""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806885 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:39:14")

">>60806851

Damn, you already know about the Sinti and all that, good work. No excuse to keep using slurs to refer to them then, eh?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806910 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:41:32")

">>60806885
That was such an obnoxious way of putting it, I might just start using the word gypsy even though I have literally never done so before.
Congratulations, you managed to convert me to racism you complete tool."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806915 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:42:30")

">>60806910

>became a racist to own the libs
damn you got me good"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806940 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:45:14")

">>60806915
oh shit rose twitter is infecting 4chan too.

Your way of talking to people is obnoxious, and you are not going to convince anyone to stop being racist by acting like a moron on 4chan"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806952 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:46:28")

">>60806509
Not him but I've played AD&D and some wargames with a bunch of old folks born before the World War."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806956 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:46:50" && image=="garfield think.png")

">>60806940

>I never used "gypsy" before
>used gypsy in the original post"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806959 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:47:20")

">>60806956
>There are only 2 people on 4chan."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806976 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:50:07")

">>60806959
4chan literally pairs you with a single anonymous stranger you fucking newfag"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806978 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:50:17")

">>60806959

>i became a racist because someone was rude to a racist
Even sadder, mate. Hope things work out for you going forward."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60806996 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:52:47")

">>60806910
>I might just start using the word gypsy
Call them cygane. It's the name for them the rest of the world uses, derived form 'filth' or 'untouchable'."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807007 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:54:17")

">>60803433
>>60803024

>Necromancy is way more potent than Thaumaturgy at the moment. Not only its paths as a whole are more than twice better, you can take a bunch of merits to break it worse than anything short of WoS Koldun. Mind, I'm not complaining, I like playing mages.

>Thaumaturgy isn't useless, it's a cheap way to get a lot of stuff. But in terms of power it's very low on the totempole, and since you still have to buy the paths at 4x and the main discipline as a normal discipline (Path of blood, which is just generally really underwhelming) it's less versatile unless you've been playing for a while.

Are you serious? There are stupidly good rituals and they don't even cost no XP to learn whatsoever.

A single level 3 ritual not only immunizes you against all physical damage but completely no-sells Celerity, Potence, Obtenebration 3-4, Protean 2, 4, 7, Quietus 2, 3, 4, 5, Serpentis 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, Vicissitude 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

Path of Blood underwhelming? At level 3 you can temporarily become a 3rd generation vampire granted you started at gen 7 or 8

A single ritual level 2 is free Obfuscate 2/3 invisibility but much better, and nobody without Auspex 3+ can detect you

A ritual level 2 lets you soak fire and sunlight with stamina...

A ritual level 1 will give you -2 to all WP rolls and immunize you against all types of frenzies, and add +2 to the diff of anyone attacking you which uses WP as difficulty"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807031 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:56:44")

">>60807007
Welcome back, tremerefag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807034 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)03:56:50")

">>60806807
>>60806839
I worry I'm going to come off as entirely derogatory, and I don't want that to be the case. This is not bad shit. You're making a really strong case for it, and I could see players making use of it - hell, I bet people even kind of made use of it unofficially before the system was actually put in place, just to add a little flavor to their characters.

But it's still a system being forced on me, not a choice. And there's something in its implication that irritates me - this idea that a vampire would need these connections to maintain their humanity. Extreme example, but if my family were all murdered, my house burned down, and I moved to a completely new country, I don't think that'd make me any less human, right? I can maintain my morality and my sense of who I am even if I didn't have those metaphorical touchstones. There's even some Lasombra vampire that's long since forgotten his past life, but he can at least go 'I know who I am, and I was whatever would lead to that.' I don't even know how much humanity he had, but that seems like a decent viewpoint for keeping a hold of who you are.

Something I liked about the impression I always got of WoD was this idea of...flowing, I suppose. Above normal humans, alongside normal humans - you can still keep being a normal human as much as you care to pay for a coffee even if you just hold it, have some smalltalk about things you no longer need to care about, keep up with the news and read a good book. Like a secret agent, only it's not as much a double life as what you chose to make of yours - are you going to be cold and professional all the time, or are you going to act like an average person when you're not on the clock?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807066 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:00:35" && image=="lul.png")

">>60802750
>the tremere is the worst magic

lul"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807104 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:04:40")

">>60807066
>the tremere is the worst magic
Isn't it stated that Tremere can learn all sorcerous paths?
Also Assamite have all Thaum paths worth knowing already stolen and renamed, iirc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807114 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:05:28")

">>60806739
Don't make me fucking laugh. Pandering to the fucking snowflakes has killed more franchises and reboots this decade than anything else. Political correctness and having to walk one eggshells has given us nothing but bland and over sanitised shit.

>The marketing will go to hell, the book will fall through, and they will bleed too much money for Paradox to keep them around. In fact, that might even happen if they aren't, quite frankly.
I guess this will be the real decider, don't it? Personally I think you are completely and hilariously wrong.

>>60806761
lol, I like it when they includes injokes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807136 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:08:12")

">>60801374
What phenotype is that?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807140 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:09:04")

">>60807136
nosferatu"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807157 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:10:28")

">>60807104
Yes, it says the Tremere have access to it all.

As for the Assamites not Path of Technomancy, hackativism rituals, punk rituals, old skool rituals, new age rituals etc...
Not any newer Path like Path of the Blood's Curse.

With the mechanic to hack rituals into your school of sorcery that really sucks for Assamites"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807159 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:10:40" && image=="b195bb11ac450f432b2314178bda9296.jpg")

"Planning an 18th century west indies "Vampirate" campaign.
What are some "exotic" bloodlines that would be local to the natives?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807160 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:10:45")

">>60801589
This is a classic example of a lorelet and gamelet sharing his opinion without any stuff to back it up. Reminds me of that Cracked article where the author whinged for two pages about Redguards having an intellectual nerf in the elder scrolls"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807172 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:11:26")

">>60806807
>>60806839
I like it, and agree that is probably how it will and should be handled.

>>60806915
>Implying that he's wrong about you being an obnoxious tool
It's fine. No one expects actual dialog with lefties anyway. Out of interest - why are you even on 4chan? I can't thing of anywhere that would make my blood boil more if I leaned left. Or is that it? Are you really Brujah and this gets you pumped to fight shovelheads and Cammie fucks?

>>60807034
You don't have to use it anon. I liked the way that anon put it; I think of it more like an extra tool in my storyteller kit to remind my players, if they are the sort who need it, that this is 'personal horror' and not just 'vampire superheroes'. And if they want to play the latter, I can downplay or just ignore it entirely."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807173 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:11:27")

">>60806996
Yo while I'm deriding someone for being an obnixious dick in the name of antiracism, there is no need for you to chime in with some genuine racism.

>>60806976
How the fuck am I supposed to lurk more if there's only one person here?

>>60806978
You are incredibly bad at human interaction."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807212 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:14:30")

">>60807159

Samedi, of course.

>>60807172
>Out of interest - why are you even on 4chan?
I been here since like 2007 I think. Stopped coming here a year ago, maybe, but came back to /tg/ cause V5 and WFRP4e have 0 internet presence anywhere but here.

>>60807173
>Yo while I'm deriding someone for being an obnixious dick in the name of antiracism, there is no need for you to chime in with some genuine racism.
These are your people, anon, enjoy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807254 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:21:02")

">>60804633
It's part of the vampire curse that their disciplines can only fuck shit up"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807278 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:24:42")

">>60807172
You might be surprised about how many left folks are on 4chan, especially the less extreme types. It's not as crazy as Tumblr, sure, but it's not like you gotta put on a /pol/tard uniform before you can post. It's anonymous and there can be some real discussion here that, before a few years ago, didn't need to ever deal with politics."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807301 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:27:31")

">faggots trying to police language
>on fucking 4chan of all places
Wew lad"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807303 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:27:32")

">>60807212
>Samedi, of course.
I've planned on including them to some extent but I was thinking more like some kind of aztec or mayan bloodline.
If such even exist?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807338 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:32:35")

"How do vampires solo or coteries elude detection in a city with and without using blood .... obversely how do vampires hunt and detect intruders in their domain with and without the use of blood ...";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807343 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:33:10")

">>60807303
The Drowned Legacies?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807351 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:34:35")

">>60807173
That's not racism. Just an example of an official, predominant name for this ethnicity that does have genuinely insulting origins. Gypsies merely implies they were Egyptians which is a compliment to them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807359 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:35:34")

">>60807301
And yet no bitching about the suffix. Really makes you think, doesn't it? Typical self-righteous hypocrite."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807362 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:35:50")

">>60807303
There are some South/Central American bloodlines:
Pisanob (Cappadocian/Giovanni)
Tlacique (Setites)

Also, check out the Drowned Legacies, like >>60807343
suggests."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807378 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:37:32")

">>60807359
What suffix?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807397 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:39:55")

">>60807343
>>60807362
Thank you kindly!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807430 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:43:15")

">>60807212
Well, welcome back for whatever its worth, but is there any chance you cut put away the condescending wit and actually discuss matters rather than being... well... so stereotypically left? It's honestly anoying to listen to, and unless we have someone else hanging around, you have told me to fuck off a few times too. I'd prefer to be able to discuss shit than have personal politics, even if someone else brings them, turn this into thread into an Antifa rally. Like you note, V5 isn't exactly well discussed elsewhere."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807511 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:52:20")

">>60807430
>but is there any chance you cut put away the condescending wit and actually discuss matters rather than being... well... so stereotypically left?
No, I'm doing it on purpose because I hate right wing nerd fucks.

As for real discussion:
My favorite clan is the Assamites; in spite of their stereotypical treatment of arabs and Islam, I think they fleshed out the clan enough to make them more than just a caricature. The bits where they think of themselves as the judges of Kindred, and the discrepancies between the "official" history and Assamite history make them compelling. I wish Assamite sorcery was more fleshed out, though, as well as more of their relationship with the Salubri - it seems to me that they were historically friends, so shouldn't Salubri fleeing persecution in Europe been able to find refuge in the Middle East?

Perhaps, though, I'm biased, seeing as my family's from Egypt."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807552 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)04:57:53")

">>60807511
>No, I'm doing it on purpose because I hate right wing nerd fucks.
Oh, good, because thats not going to get tiresome for all involved at all. Can you at least put on a trip so you can be filtered then? It's the polite thing to do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807587 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:02:59")

">>60807552

>implying it's polite to use a trip, ever, in any circumstance
Also please, enough off topic posting - do you know why the Salubri aren't still safe and sound in the middle east (or at least in Saudi Arabia and whatnot, where the Camarilla haven't reached yet)?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807591 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:03:41")

">>60807511
I don't much like Assamites. They're pretentious, entitled and flaky as all hell. They also tend attract the worst kind of players. Setites and Children of Osiris are by far better match for Egypt."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807592 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:03:48")

">>60806739
>The marketing will go to hell, the book will fall through, and they will bleed too much money for Paradox to keep them around. In fact, that might even happen if they aren't, quite frankly.

Literally every book Onyx Path released since Demon the Descent."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807604 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:06:02")

">>60807552
If I had my way, anyone who talked politics outside of the Camarilla or Sabbat would get banned til they learned to stop. I'd even be willing to take a bullet for talking about it right now."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807606 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:06:33")

">>60807587
>safe and sound
In the land of the literally satanic insatiable diablerists that spit on all customs, vampiric and mortal alike? Gee, I wonder. Some of them fled there, though. At least two are still alive."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807612 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:07:17")

">>60807034
I think it's a rare man who could move to an new place, have his entire family die, and everything he ever knew burned to a crisp, and not end up with some serious identity issues.

But even then, the game doesn't say "You are less human because you lost those things". It says "It's harder to stay connected to humanity, without anything to tie you to it" You get a mallus to your degeneration rolls without a touchstone, but you don't lose all your humanity instantly.
You can even still buy humanity. It's entirely possible to be at humanity 9 with a lost touchstone (Although if you have humanity 9, you're bound to start making some connections to humanity on your own)

And I guess the "Flowing" thing is why I like V:TR's system of humanity over V:TM. Because in old world of darkness vampries have this entirely parallel system that never really interacts with humanity in any real way. Getting entirely tangled in vampire politics is the norm, and sitting down to pretend to have a coffee is not something you have any incentive to do.
With the way V:TR handle it there IS an incentive to do so. Especially because humanity is a measure of your conection to humanity, rather than just a strict karma meter. Isolation and seperation from human society are "Sins" against humanity just as much as violence. Maintaining your humanity requires actively staying human.
A sin against humanity 7 would be not interacting with a human being for a week."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807616 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:07:26")

">>60807604
Sounds retarded when even the assblasted libard devs do it all the time because they feel the noose tightening."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807654 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:12:44")

">>60807034
i'd always thought vampires assummed new identities and personalities in order to adapt to the times. They passed themselves off as older, then younger, perhaps the great grandaughter of their former selves, born in the 'spitting image' of their former identities."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807660 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:13:45")

">>60807591

I always thought of the Setites as, like, this forgotten clan that no one plays or likes. They seem too one-dimensional and typecast for me, you know. And c'mon bruh, the Assamites are pretentious and entitled but the Children of Osiris aren't?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807726 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:20:39")

">>60804689
you know, i guess they technically are transhuman, as they've been modded to promote a culture or ideology.."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807736 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:21:41")

">>60807660
I always wanted to play a game where there was an 800 year old assamite who worked the night shift at a convenience store."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807743 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:22:32")

">>60807660
Setites are actually the most versatile of neutral clans, both in terms of what can you be and character samples.
Children of Osiris are humble and quiet. If an Assamite comes into town and isn't trying to be sneaky you will feel and hear the stink they raise from the other end of it. You won't ever have trouble or hear from Children unless you purposefully seek them out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807745 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:22:53")

">>60807736
They could get into hilarious kung fu adventures, he would teach him the ways of krav-maga and sufi dancing, and it would be like the Karate Kid of their generation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807772 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:25:14")

">>60807743
That's why I generally wouldn't play an Assamite - outside of region-specific Dark Ages campaigns - unless it's set after Ur-Shulgi and the Camarilla defection stuff. At that point, they're just another clan in the Camarilla."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807774 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:26:15")

">>60807773
the things my country used me to do, you wouldn't believe.

spoiler alert: MKULTRA works on vampires.."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807828 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:34:08")

">>60807007
>Path of Blood underwhelming? At level 3 you can temporarily become a 3rd generation vampire granted you started at gen 7 or 8

That is not as helpful as you think it is. It gets you two things, people can't Dominate you and you have a easier time blood buffing. But "After expending a blood point and rolling for success, the vampire can divide successes between effectively lowering his generation by one per success or giving the effect a duration of one hour per success." So six successes on diff 6 on a willpower roll, of which you can't spend willpower points on willpower rolls.

Even without that you can normally blood buff to one above trait max, and go over that short term as along as you keep paying blood per round. Seeing as you are a Tremere that is likely going to be 12 blood points just to get your stat to all 6 in the first place. The Path of Blood level 3 is just paying one more blood to pay more blood."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807865 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:38:17")

">>60807828
Domiating the local prince is fun tho."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807889 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:41:47")

">>60807865
It's short term though as that shit is going to break once your original generation reasserts itself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807907 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:43:54")

">>60807007
>A single level 3 ritual not only immunizes you against all physical damage but completely no-sells Celerity, Potence, Obtenebration 3-4, Protean 2, 4, 7, Quietus 2, 3, 4, 5, Serpentis 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, Vicissitude 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Which ritual would that be?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807909 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:44:03")

">>60807889

It's even shorter term because anyone who notices the prince is dominated is going to be gunning for whoever did it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807913 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:44:45")

">>60807889
Do you have a citation on that? Also >>60807909 is more of a concern."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807945 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:48:43")

">>60807743
>Setites are actually the most versatile of neutral clans
How d'you figure"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60807964 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)05:51:03")

">>60807338
Bump ... And I don't just mean for like a one time op but for extended periods of time how do vampire operate under the radar and in turn get rooted out ... Basically how's cat and mouse work in vtm???"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808031 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:00:53")

">>60807945
That's their hat, being anything and everything. Warrior, scholar, sorcerer, priest, pimp, mercenary, druglord, politician, philanthropist, entrepreneur, teacher, doctor, businessman, saint and devil alike. Whatever you want to be, whatever your vices are."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808036 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:01:38")

">>60807338

Vampires elude detection because, to everyone else, they're just pale people. As long as a vampire isn't actively drinking blood, using disciplines, being unable to eat food, etc, there's nothing to give them away except a thermal camera or stuff like Auspex - but now we're talking about using blood.

>obversely how do vampires hunt and detect intruders in their domain with and without the use of blood
In a Camarilla city, the Prince could assign certain vampires to "guard duty," and it'd be their job to find out if the aggravated assault that resulted in huge amounts of blood loss that just hit the local papers is normal gang violence or a lost Caitiff. This could be a Brujah who runs a homeless center that's actually spying for him, Nossies hacking government surveillance, Ventrue with police ghouls, Toreador with contacts in organized crime, etc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808068 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:06:47")

">>60806837
They don't call themselves Roma, nobody does, it's just a western PC term mate, no bearing to real life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808080 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:08:09")

">>60808036 here

Also, the Prince could delegate, sort of like a feudal system - Ventrue primogen controls this 0.5km area, it's his responsibility to ensure no unknown vampires are operating in that area."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808129 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:13:27")

">>60808036
You could also retain Tremere, Koldun or master of Animalism to know everything that happens in your domain. Assuming you could be certain of their loyalty."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808160 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:16:09")

"Why are bloodlines such autist bait? Why does every cunt with a anime profile picture want to play angelis ater";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808204 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:20:14")

">>60808160
>angelis ater
Because they're Lasombra/Baali with spooky powers sans associated sectarian bullshit, probably."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808266 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:26:25")

">>60808160
Snowflakes gotta flake."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808269 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:26:33")

">>60808204
Also Daimonion, Dominate, Obtenebration and Abyss Mysticism is one hell of a combo. Couldn't wish for a better one when you want darkness powers. Also, Obtenebration 5 + Daimonion 6 make you invulnerable to everything but sunlight in your shadow form."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808270 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:26:35")

">>60797399
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/308e40d1-d047-45ca-82c3-4b344ddf57e3"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808300 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:30:02")

"What's so bad about paths with instinct?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808301 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:30:11")

">>60798259

Dark Ages had a battlefield embrace that can happen from roughly midnight to before sunrise.
Six to seven hours, give or take - remember that any scars/wounds/dismemberment/crushing that were reason for the death will be a Permanent Wound flaw that has to be blood fixxed nightly.

Also, the Kindred will (aside from the lethal damage they have from the wounds) awaken with extra bashing damage from the trauma, possibly a derangement from the violent death."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60808305 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)06:30:51")

">>60808160
Because demonic shadow powers is the edgy teen's wet dream combo"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809300 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)08:39:04")

">>60808301
Yeah that would actually make a lot of sense considering there are like three flaws in the V20 book all linked to well... pretty much being fucked up or DoA when embraced."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809638 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:12:33")

">>60808301
>Permanent Wound
Reminder that Thaumaturgy and Vicissitude can help you drop that stat, as well as any other annoying disability you didn't ask for. Not sure but you could try to reason that Valeren and high Chimerstry could help as well."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809700 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:18:26")

">>60809638
Reminder to any players, that if you have the means of fixing the problem at character creation, you shouldn't be redeeming freebie points for Permanent Wound in the first place."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809730 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:20:17")

">>60809700
Isn't it suggested in the book that if you fix your flaws you still have to buy them off for twice the cost?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809776 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:25:15")

">>60809700
Naturally. Taking the freebies implies you've asked for it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809862 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:32:41")

">>60809730
When you drop the flaw you need to justify it in-game (kill the enemy, break the curse, get your disfigurement sorted out with Vicissitude, clear your name and so on) and pay for it with XP as if you were purchasing a background."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60809956 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:40:38")

">>60786148
Wait, is that a fucking He Who Kills reference?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810011 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:45:06")

">>60809956
Yes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810040 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:46:56")

">>60810011
Cool. One reference in Bloodlines and one in V20.

What´s with that film and Masquerade?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810118 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:52:23")

">>60808036
>>60808080
>>60808129

thanks for the responses.

im thinking about how feasible it is to incorporate something of a silent middle class of vampire....not idiot fledglings bound to fuck up a feeding or a driven elder to stake out a power base from whence to strike ... but more like something like an inoffensive autarkis that may or may not even be known about by the cam or sabbat. the idea of diligent and careful vampires remaining hidden even for decades if not centuries from the major factions within their domains."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810124 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)09:52:53")

">>60810040
V20 coasted on the success of VTMB. You have to admit it fits the mood, fits Nagaraja. I figure it'll also fit Laibon and Samedi."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810220 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:00:26")

">>60810118
I don't see how those wouldn't just fit as regular camarilla ancillae.
It's not like there's mandatory attendance at Elysium and overall it's just way better for the vampire in question if the Prince grants/acknowledges his domain to stop other vampires from feeding on his turf."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810278 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:05:07")

">>60810124
Oh, it fits alright.

So we have Millicent and Therese as the Malkavian primogen in Bloodlines and He Who Kills in the Nagaraja chapter... so... slasher literature professor when?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810373 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:14:26")

">>60810278
Oh, it was already done to death."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810461 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:22:12")

">>60809956
>>60810011
>>60810278
It's been a while since I played. What is He Who Kills a reference to/where in Bloodlines?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810516 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:26:00")

">>60806446
Weren't bulgars a turkic people?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810539 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:27:55" && image=="chris_poole_moot.0.png")

">>60806023
Not trying to be mean, but the Sword of Caine does not accept weaklings.
We have a war to win"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810569 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:30:27")

">>60806198
Depends on the cainite. A Sabbat member would lose his humanity quick, while a Camarilla one could keep it longer.
Depends on the clan too. Toreadors are able to stay humane for much longer. There was even a methuselah that had 10 dots in humanity"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810694 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:41:42")

">>60810569
Toreadors are able to stay humane for much longer.
Wrong. And opposite when it comes to it. That methuselah is Brujah, actually, and enemy of that Toreador "meth", who's at 3 humanity or less, actually, for all that she indulges in vices as any human."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810739 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:45:52")

">>60810539
You've lost it before it began. You're puppets of those you fight. Your sole reason for existence is to spread umbral aids among kindred with that liberating ritual of yours."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810794 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:50:10")

">>60810539
>He said, posting a picture of the biggest weakling.

He Who Kills is a part of a horror anthology, its basically a spooky fetish doll (Like the one you collect in the museum).

The spooky fetish doll that you collect for the spooky cannibal lady is the reference to He Who Kills.

>>60786148
This lady is a spooky cannibal who is carrying a spooky doll that looks exactly like He Who Kills."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810798 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:50:42")

">>60807828
Not that hard to make the roll, and if you want to cheese it the way only Thaumaturgy allows you to then it's laughably easy.

10 Willpower + 2 (from Enchanted Talisman, one of the first rituals, if not the first you're taught when you master Thaumaturgy), if you have Herd 1-5 and a ritual level 3 it's anywhere between 1 to 15 dice to any Path or ritual you cast, a ritual level 1 brings all your WP difficulties to -2, Path of Focused Mind 5 brings all your difficulties by another -2

That's potentially 27 dice rolled at dificulty 2
Enough to push you into Caine-generation for the entire night and more. Being able to hold ????? blood in you and spend ?????"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810806 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:51:12")

">>60810794
Damn it meant to reference

>>60810461"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810819 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:52:06")

">>60809700
Remember to remind yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810824 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:52:28")

">>60810798
Cool, but that cost you about 250 XP to get."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810896 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:58:04")

"So do you think they'll develop the Anarchs to have the variety of the Carthians or will they just stick to Commiefornians and Totally not a Prince Barons?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810911 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)10:59:19")

">>60810824
No? You can have Path of Focused Mind as Primary and start with Thaumaturgy 5 and Herd 5 from character creation.

Path of Blood 3 will cost you 19xp to learn.

None of the rituals cost XP to learn.

If you want to have 27 dice rolled at difficulty 4 (which won't change the results that much from difficulty 2), then you can simply start with Thaumaturgy 3 on chargen and Path of Blood of Primary, then it's only a matter of learning the rituals (which don't cost XP to learn) and you can do that"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810949 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:02:11")

">>60810798>>60810911
Herd background is the worst to take for Tremere, of those actually worthy of consideration. You must have Generation 5 and after that Resources with your remaining freebies, or Mentor/Library 5 first if your ST's being a cunt. Take Retainers if you for some reason have more points than that.
You have Thaumaturgy and Dominate, you can assemble a herd bugger than Herd 5 and far more loyal than any retainer in a fortnight."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60810975 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:04:28")

">>60810911
>I'm just going to start with 5 dots in herd and 5 dots in generation, also 10 dots in willpower. Also 5 dots in a thaumaturgy and I'm going to use a nonstandard path.

15 freebie points is enough to get you 2 dots of disciplines and 1 dot of background, 5 courage gets you 5 willpower."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811008 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:07:22")

">>60810975
7 points in flaws should get you thaum 4, 7 freebie points gets you thaum 5. willpower +5 is another 5 points, you already have 5 backgrounds so that's Gen 5, put the last 3 freebie points into herd that'll be herd 3.

Super cheesy but you can get pretty close to what they're suggesting, I think."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811027 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:08:45")

">>60810819
Well I guess I'm proper fucked now."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811081 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:12:17")

">>60810896
>Commiefornians and Totally not a Prince Barons?
Why did they pick California for the American Anarchs' stronghold? It may be liberal but it was never revolutionary tier. The East Coast had more Anarchs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811087 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:12:42")

">>60810949
Also, go over CSs for your retainers yourself. Don't make them overtly powerful, preferably not combat but placement/ability oriented. For combat you'll have to make some gargs/nightgarden/experiments, or dom some mercs. That way you'd be safe from ST handing you a bunch of useless idiots he wants to have in his chronicle at your expense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811194 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:19:58")

">>60810975
Looks like you didn't see the second option, the first one was the most cheesed the second is almost the same thing (25 dice at diff 4) but much less costly

3 dots you're awarded freely in Thaumaturgy (with Path of Blood as primary)

Still get 21 freebies left after buying flaws. Enough to buy all the Willpower, backgrounds you will need and have it to spare."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811296 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:28:36")

">>60811008
Just get Herd 5 and WP 8 instead lul,
You'll have 23 dice rolled at diff 4 instead of 25, boohoo, you still can super-cheese it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811331 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:30:57")

">>60811194
Man, you've managed to literally just be capable of upping your generation a lot, but doing nothing else.
Congrats.
You're a very low generation caitiff."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811347 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:31:49")

">>60810694
Pretty sure the Brujah Methuselah's morality got retconned to Entelechy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811381 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:34:04")

">>60811081
Because it's the farthest away from the old world"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811496 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:40:36")

">>60811331
Yeah? That's really fine for a few years old neonate, everyone else at the same situation is way worse than you are, all you need to do now is learn other XP-free cheese-y rituals like invisibility against anyone without Auspex 3+, complete immunity to physical damage, soaking fire and sunlight with stamina etc and you're golden"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811600 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)11:47:21")

"Is the best Tremere combo Auspex 5/Thaumaturgy 3 (Path of Conjuring)? Stay in the safety of your chantry going around in the Astral plane creating hundreds of kilos of explosives on your enemy's havens out of thin air?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811793 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:01:30")

">>60806807
If you think about it, all Tzimisce kind that already have a touchstone, in the form of a place important for them as mortals"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60811944 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:12:05")

">>60807604
>>60807604
Even the developers should get banned then"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812017 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:16:15" && image=="tupac-news-article21913.jpg")

"Do you think Tupwc was Embraced?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812053 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:19:02")

">>60811347
>>60811347
Entelechy is a weird path. It seens more humane than humanity"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812071 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:20:04")

">>60812017
Nah, dude wouldn't have shut up unless they made him see daylight.
If he was embraced he would have kept running his mouth. Maybe made a rap about how black kine are twice fucked."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812130 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:22:59" && image=="98c409da-3fb0-4c4c-ad23-c62857278d6b.jpg")

">>60812071
>mfw Biggie was a Camirilla hitman"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812145 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:23:43")

">>60810118

I'd imagine that that's exactly the position that, for example, a Salubri would inhabit - in return for easing the pain of the curse, a Nossie'd let a Salubri stay hidden in their domain. You could have variations on that theme, basically - the "hidden vamp's" allies or friends like them more than they like the Primogen/Prince/Camarilla."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812165 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:25:05")

">>60810516
When they first got there, yeah, but they Slavicized pretty quick."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812217 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:29:57")

">>60812053

It seems to me more like the path of a moral psychopath - you know, someone who doesn't actually feel pangs of guilt, but has just trained themselves to never do anything that would make a normal person feel guilt, especially since they have no conscience or self control scores."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812263 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:33:10")

">>60812217
>Stoicists
>No self control score

Beg pardon?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812274 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:33:50")

">>60812217
Sounds perfectly fitting for "humane" ancients"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812296 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)12:35:26")

">>60812263
meant to just type conscience, my bad"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812695 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:02:04")

">>60797126
because instinct is complete shit?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812703 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:02:22")

">>60811087
>dom some mercs
bro where are you heading on your nights that there are just mercenaries around for you to dominate regularly without breaking the masquerade?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60812731 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:04:26")

">>60812695

How is it shit? What's the difference, mechanically?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813085 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:32:53")

">>60812731
Here's a really stupid example:

Okay so someone just called you a fucking faggot in Elysium. This will not stand, you're super fucking mad now. Roll for frenzying.

You get a bad roll on self control: You frenzy
You get a good roll on self control: You don't frenzy

You get a bad roll on instinct: You frenzy
You get a good roll on instinct: You still frenzy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813127 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:35:56")

">>60812731
Also any power that forces you to frenzy is insta gg"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813263 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:45:30")

">>60813085
>>60813127

Yeah, I was reading the book again - didn't remember how that worked. Think I'd play it that you frenzy, but instead of you rolling to temporarily wrest back control, you'd just have to roll to prevent exceptionally bad results of frenzy or something, like fighting in Elysium.

I dunno, there's gotta be another way."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813425 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)13:56:40")

">>60813263
With instinct can't you roll each turn to try and control your actions (read direct the beast.) Couldn't you just leave or something when you frenzy in that case?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813463 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:00:17")

">>60813425
Sure, but that's also not exactly great.

>Yo you're a fucking faggot with anger issues

>N-n-n-n-n-nO IM NOT. I JUST HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND COUNT TO 10."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813477 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:01:12")

">>60813463
Oh yeah, still awful and one of the reasons I don't want to play any instinct paths."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813531 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:05:29")

">>60813425
Yeah that's not really good, you're still sitting there, fangs out, screaming - and all it takes is one fail and you're fucked.

I'm fine with there being some downside to instinct/conviction, but it shouldn't so debilitating that you can go up to some elder, get him to frenzy, then just kite him around til he's dead cause he's animal-tier."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813631 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:12:33")

">>60813531
Frenzy shouldn't just be animal-tier, that's vampires in wassail. This is just uncontrollable rage, like when you think the SJWs are taking your bideogames."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813681 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:16:05")

">>60813631
I'd always played it that frenzy was the Beast taking hold temporarily. Meaning, he's just animalistic til it's over."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813732 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:18:45")

">>60813681
I'd agree with it being more animalistic and bestial, but it still has your intelligence and wits. Definitely can't be reasoned with, though."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813774 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:21:31")

">>60813463
I can just imagine how fucking crazy it would be to have a CoD vampire LAN party with a bunch of Instinct driven elders.

It sounds like the opening scene of a book called "How the Vampire Wars began.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813852 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:25:52")

">>60813774
>The anarch revolt began because Hardestadt told Tyler to git gud"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813895 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:28:08")

">>60813085
>>60812731
Anything Path with instinct just straight up doesn't fit into the Camarilla.
In general most paths outside of Humanity have a hard time fitting unless it's elders that were already on a road"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60813991 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:32:42")

">>60813531
>but it shouldn't so debilitating that you can go up to some elder, get him to frenzy, then just kite him around til he's dead cause he's animal-tier.
I can't think of many scenarios where you'd "bait" an elder into a frenzy without getting ripped to shreds either before managing to do so or during the frenzy. Because in general you don't want to be next to a frenzying elder.
Only way I could see it working somewhat is if a Malkavian uses his Voice of Madness but that can also result in Rötschreck which is far more "useful" for you"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814050 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:36:03")

">>60813991
That's why you convince one of the anarchs to say something publicly humiliating to them at Elysium.

"Hey kid, wanna piss of the elders?""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814070 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:37:18")

">>60814050
And then what? After he ripped the anarch to shreds he's going to calm down.
And I doubt you want to attack him in Elysium"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814133 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:40:29")

">>60814070
No, it's just used to get them to lose face and standing within the city, making it easier to wrest control away from their influences."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814184 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:42:57")

">>60814070
Coming off as dangerously unstable when everyone and their mom are vying for your job, or want to control you, is not exactly a great situation to be in."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814438 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)14:56:03" && image=="1501325986-20170729 (1).png")

"I really don't understand why vampires would get so pissed at insults. You'd think they'd have hundreds of years of feeling smugly superior enough to be able to just ignore them.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814554 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:01:48")

">>60814438

It's the Beast, man."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814558 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:02:21")

">>60814070
In the Camarilla at least, many vampires are mocked for not being able to control their Beast. Not by all, and certainly not openly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814854 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:18:36")

">>60814554
The Beast shouldn't care if someone said if you still breathed you would be a waste of air. It should care about a level of hostility, sure, but not just bandying words."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814905 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:20:45")

">>60814438
>>60814854
Because if you let an insult pass you're basically baring your throat, which in the prestige driven society of Masquerade is tantamount to political suicide."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814925 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:21:48")

"Malicious taunts are only a difficulty 4 provocation, it's outright public humiliation which is frenzy difficulty 8.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60814930 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:22:02")

">>60814854
It should if it was a rational thinking coherent entity. But it's not.

It's like trying to verbally tell a dog with rabies that it should observe proper etiquette or it will be scorned.

It's just gonna fucking bite you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60815031 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:27:21")

">>60814438
Hmmm? What are you talking about. Vampires have long been inferior to stronger splats like Mage and Demon. Or are you specifically referring to lore, in which case there's barely any incentive to be angry at all because the setting is angry by default."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60815051 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:28:10")

">>60814854
The Beast is an animal, though, and it's telling you to assert dominance."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60815224 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)15:37:53")

"Nice to see thaum enthusiasts being btfo

Tho as a casterfag this upsets me greatly"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816079 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:29:19")

"New blood
>>60816069"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816415 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:50:03")

">>60810461
>It's been a while since I played. What is He Who Kills a reference to/where in Bloodlines?
Not from He Who Kills but from Trilogy of Terror. Jeanette/Therese are the girls from the story, abusing father and prudish double personality included"
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