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String fullTitle = "/VG/ Vampire the Masquerade & Requiem General";
int postNumber = "60816069";
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String date = "07/12/18(Thu)16:28:36";
String comment = "Previous thread: >>60785806
>WoD website
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/
>V5 Rundown
https://pastebin.com/bhRvfQdC (embed)
>Pre-orders for v5 are available now
https://www.modiphius.net/collections/vampire-the-masquerade
>MEGA (mostly Chronicles of Darkness)
https://mega.nz/#F!rFIDxRRK!IEzkLlroRoPwmDqtxKRMsw
>MEGA (mostly Old World of Darkness)
https://mega.nz/#F!KI00XCZA!sFV9L2S77bld5vzEmw5-vg
https://mega.nz/#F!cSRAhRSb!_w_CXRj14pgt8C9nP6ursw
>V5 preview
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/article/5b34db132bd9bf0f75f02eeb/V5_PREVIEW_JUNE_2018
https://www.worldofdarkness.com/store/item/204/V5_Preview
>Question
What was the worse Chronicle you ever played?"
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public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816154 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:34:23")

"Has anyone ever used the social combat from Succubus club ? Opinions ?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816348 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:47:05")

"Lorelet here, how old is each Clan?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816378 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:48:40")

">>60816348
Since near the beginning of creation, ~1000 ad, and roughly ~1400 ad. Arguably"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816546 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:57:20")

">>60816378
>ad

You mean bc"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816570 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)16:58:24")

">>60816546
No, Tremere and Giovanni. Although I guess Tremere were closer to 1100, and Giovanni existed before that but became a clan in acceptance around that time. At least I think I have the dates around the right time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816687 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:05:31")

">>60816378
>the beginning of creation

I though they were supposed to be ~7000 bc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816744 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:09:04")

">>60816570
The Tremere's ritual to turn themselves into vampires happened in 1022. Maybe you could make an argument for the overall existence of the house, which had been formed in 767, but I'd only do that to give a sense that the members of House Tremere existed before their Embrace, and were already pretty long-lived because magic.

The Giovanni were first embraced by Cappadocius in 1002, and he'd been trying to keep his bloodline separate even before his diablerie in 1444. But the family had existed and practiced necromancy since Rome, surprisingly - it's not clear when specifically, but anywhere from the start of the Empire to its end is fair game, so as a family they were at least five hundred years old before their first Embrace.

So if you really wanted to split hairs, as a bloodline Giovanni are older than Tremere, and as a mortal organization are older, but Tremere are older than Giovanni as a full-fledged clan. Though I'm not really sure why the Tremere weren't treated as a bloodline of the Tzimisce during their early days and instead accepted, if reviled, as a clan. Or why the literal youngest clan have such a surprising age and pedigree compared to the clan that should be older in all senses."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816802 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:12:23")

">>60816687
I mean, there's no real time frame from before that. Maybe I should've specified creationism creation?

>The Tremere's ritual to turn themselves into vampires happened in 1022
Yeah, but I was only counting them as a clan after the big bite which I think happened in... 1083? Before that they were just a bloodline."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816808 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:12:35")

">>60816744
Fuck, I forgot an important thing - the Tremere didn't manage to diaberlize Saulot until 1133. So I guess they weren't recognized as a clan til then."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816817 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:12:54")

"Damsel is cute!";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816826 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:13:26")

"Will the v5 pdfs be on mega on day release?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816879 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:16:37")

">>60816826
Can't you support V5 even a little bit by buying it? Otherwise it'll die quick and we won't ever get anything new again."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816892 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:17:22")

">>60814438
You are ignoring that you are less likely to brush off insults or even listen to corrections when you have a lot of status and publicity.
That's why court jesters existed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816954 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:21:24")

">>60816826
Who knows, I'll probably just post snippest to annoy faggots like you.
Also I hope the shop I ordered the Ancillae Edition from provides the pdfs on release. Because fuck those shipping costs"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60816965 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:21:53")

">>60816879
I'd rather know if it's worth it before spending $50+"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817140 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:31:58")

">>60816965
It's not gonna be worth it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817174 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:34:08")

">>60816965

Buy BJD and incorpore the lore to your v20 chronicle."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817187 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:34:55")

">>60817140
What makes you say that?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817266 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:39:37")

"So I'm playing as a tzmisce in a camarilla game, and through shenanigans as well as percieved revenge for being snubbed, I bonecrafted out a ventrue neonate's fangs, making sure they wouldn't regrow without assistance. Now the ventrue's willing to do almost anything to get them back.

My idea right now is to trick him into diablerizing some fledgelings i embrace for this very purpose, tricking him into a blood bonds as well; to get my very own vampiric slave of a generation only slightly lower than mine, rather than way lower.

The ventrue's another PC, so I'm wondering what you guys think of this plan; though my ST is pretty new."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817292 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:41:08")

">>60817266
>tzmisce in a camarilla game

stopped reading there."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817329 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:43:25")

"Quick question, my timeline on Twitter is flooded with RTs from a feminist girl about some scandal regarding White Wolf appeasing to nazis, apparently because in some examples in the books some nazi numbers appeared (something like Dave rolls 1,4,8,8, which seems to be a neonazi sign or whatever).

Is this happening in your area of the world as well? It doesnt make any sense to me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817505 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:52:52")

">>60817329
Do sane people even actually give a flying fuck about this kinda news?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817513 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:53:20")

">>60817329
Can we stop talking about that shit? No one fucking cares."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817558 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:55:38")

">>60816069
So she has fangs... and she's wearing a shirt with fangs on it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817577 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:56:43")

">>60817558
Yes. To distract you while she bites your neck."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817609 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:59:03")

">>60817505
>>60817513
Sure, just wanted to know if it was happening in other places because I felt like missing something. Thanks for answering."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817623 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)17:59:40" && image=="1530497481341.jpg")

">>60816817
She's alright I guess. Always angry as fuck, and after one quest you really never talk to her again until near the end of the game, and even that's only briefly.

I have mixed feelings on that about VtM. I should consider it a strength of the game that I don't have to regularly check in on NPCs again, but it also makes the game feel a bit lonely - especially when I'm constantly checking in to make sure I'm not missing any cool quests (which I would still miss because fuck me)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817717 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:05:25")

">>60817266
>to get my very own vampiric slave of a generation only slightly lower than mine, rather than way lower.
You mean higher, right?
Also how do you prevent the ventrue from getting ashed when someone looks at his aura?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817746 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:07:12")

">>60817609
There was some prime retardation about how characters in the setting potentially being nazis means you support nazis.
The roll in the example of play being 1,4,8,8 was just random shittery"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817861 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:13:12")

">>60817623
Is it true Damsel is a Toreador who LARP-ed so hard as a Brujah that she really thinks she's Brujah?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60817887 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:14:34")

">>60817329
No it is not.
the 1, 4, 8, 8 thing is hilarious tho."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818449 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:43:07" && image=="Voomer.png")

"I'm a real brainlet here. How big is a Domain of 4 dots?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818558 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:48:57")

">>60818449
•••• A sewer subsection, a network of service tunnels, the enclave of homes on a hill overlooking the city — a place with inherently protective features, such as an isolated mountain road, bridge-only access, or vigilant
private security force.

Or smaller with more security."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818591 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:50:48" && image=="working with vampires.jpg")

">>60817717
>where are you heading on your nights that there are just mercenaries around for you to dominate
Gun nuts, gangs, paramil summits if you were poor.
But you are filthy rich if you followed my advice, so just hire them after pooling all your Resources 5 with your comrades. Most PC should have at least one dot in them, I always advice to have more, it's the most versatile of backgrounds, but if your group is decent you only need like two people with this background maxed out to provide for everyone else. Might as well help Ventrue/Toreador to shoulder the burden.

If the merc team is any good they deserve to be paid, equipped with the best gear and reside in as much comfort you can afford them without impeding their efficiency. Dominate is there to make them invulnerable to it, more loyal and more resistant to various other mindfucking powers, since only their officers are likely to have Willpower 10/10 and Iron Will 4, and you hardly ever get anyone with True Faith 4+.

Mind you, that's general vampiric advice, and one pretty redundant if you have Animalism or some influence in armed community. As a Tremere you have a dozen ways to make monsters that can rip apart the best mercenary teams you can afford, vampire and mortal alike."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818622 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:52:17")

">>60817861
Fanon. But Skelter is a Gangrel larping as a Brujah."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818660 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)18:54:12")

">>60818591
Meant for >>60812703, sorry."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818782 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:00:46" && image=="vtmb_tower.jpg")

">>60818558
I kinda like idea of single office building (with everything and everyone inside)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60818947 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:10:17")

">>60817558
Lippy titties

>>60817187
unfortunately, after that furryblog was spammed the other day I read it, and there were a few points they actually had that worried me, of which the most damning were:
The brujah have gone from biker gang vampires to basically the carthian movement from VtR – I think a lot of people overlooked that because the furry was trying to make some point about neo-nazis, but on a more practical level the carthian movement was a mash up of bits of the lasombra, ravnos and anarch movement and doesn't fit in the cWoD at all, let alone as a replacement for one of the larger clans.

The other one was that they mentioned that the only guy from previous editions of vampire who is involved in v5 is that guy who was partially responsible for 1e's broken thaumaturgy and the ravnos and gypsy as terrible ideas, and who left before later editions tried increasingly extreme measures to fix those, which bodes ill."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819048 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:17:00")

">>60818782
So if my PC had 4 dots both in Domain and Influence, would a luxury skyscraper fill with brothels, strip clubs, bars, restaurants, etc, etc, be okay?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819084 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:19:20")

">>60819048
Depends on your DM, personally I'd prefer it if they went to MET version of influence where each one was a different background."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819105 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:20:39")

">>60819048
Totally, anon. Might have an arcology. Don't forget to get Resources higher than your Domain."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819146 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:23:23")

">>60817717
Higher, yeah. I get confused between Generation and Blood Potency and stuff.

As for preventing him from getting ashed... Honestly, I haven't quite decided. He's a low-ranked vamp right now, so people aren't super interested in him, and apparently there aren't many vamps who even have auspex in the area, so as long as he doesn't walk into a gathering or elysium then he should be good.

I'm not far from getting a Tzimisce combination power that lets me temporarily alter auras, though, so that should keep him from getting ashed.

That said, roleplaying wise, my character also just kind of wants to see exactly how the cammies would react when they find out.

Mostly because my character's view of Azhi Dahaka involves being a being that consumes/subsumes vampires the way vamps eat/come from mortals, and mortals eat/come from animals. Which means research into the amaranth. Metamorphosis!

>>60817292
Hey, it was a cammarilla game. Not like I could magically change the plot when I'm not the ST. But it's better than a Malkavian named Shrivelfig Coleslaw who believes he's a PC in a roleplaying game.

"What do you mean, we're vampires? That's like a +8 level adjustment! It'll be impossible to level up!""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819160 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:24:12")

">>60819048
yeah but you got no security - a floor of a luxury skyscraper is more reasonable, as a 3 dot Domain + 1 dot worth of security.

A full skyscraper is more 5 dot. Though you might be able to justify it if it's an underconstruction skyscraper or something similar, that makes it a bit more reasonable for you to have a full run of it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819163 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:24:15" && image=="file.png")

">>60818947
>The brujah have gone from biker gang vampires to basically the carthian movement from VtR
What the Brujah didn't change a bit from what they were before, they have always been "the learned clan" that's actually just a bunch of rabble or as the preview itself summarised look at pic related.
>Mark Rein Hagen
He was responsible for a lot more than those parts.

In general read the fucking preview and don't take second hand opinions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819181 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:25:18")

">>60819146
How did you even get permission to sire a bunch of fledgelings? As a Tzimisce no less"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819224 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:27:34")

">>60819181
From what I read he didn't get permission. He's just kidnapping people, embracing them, and then feeding them to the Ventrue. And the ventrue apparently has to listen otherwise he won't get his teeth back."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819293 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:31:56")

">>60817292
been there, done that, worked just fine
bare minimum Fleshcraft to deform yourself to 0 Appearance, high Animalism, pose as Nosferatu beastmaster - nobody ever questioned it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819315 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:33:00")

">>60819293
Were you a Sabbat infiltrated ?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819373 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:35:54")

">>60819181
Meh, who needs permission?

I've got an incredibly secure domain, and a well-placed ghoul working in a roadside motel just outside of town- perfect for kidnapping tourists. and it's not like they'll live out their first night, really.

Unless high level Auspex can see something like that? I'm still pretty new to the game, so I don't know a lot of this stuff.

>>60819224
The other PCs- and some NPCs who were affiliated with the ventrue clan somehow- literally watched as I staked the ventrue to take his fangs. I think I made some argument about how the ventrue had embarrassed me in court and made me frenzy, and I was taking his teeth until I could give him a 'real' punishment, when we had time to, and they just kind of let it happen. As long as it doesn't cause Final Death, it's not against the traditions, right?

I'm really not sure why the other players/ST are letting me get away with half this crap. I mean, I probably could just pop them back in for a boon or something..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819413 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:38:22")

">>60819315
Just one of them country hicks moving to the big town after getting this peculiar condition, didn't even know who my Sire was.
Yes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819414 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:38:26")

">>60819373
So you made an ass out of yourself at court and it's the ventrue's fault? There's no way the other vampires of the city would let that occur without moving against you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819486 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:43:05")

">>60819414
Yeah, that's basically what happened. But apparently everyone bought it, and the ST didn't even have me roll manipulation or anything.

It was to the point where later, the ventrue apparently embarrassed his clan by outright begging for his fangs back and got a 'talking to' in private. But it sounds like he's got all sorts of social flaws and has botched a lot of meetings, to the point where his sire sent him out here to podunk smalltown where nothing is as important as in the big cities.

This is the storyteller's first game running VTM, though they've apparently played a lot of it before."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819500 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:44:01")

">>60816954
They're supposed to, according to Tobias."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819607 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:50:28")

">>60819373
>Unless high level Auspex can see something like that?

I would be more worried about a Tremere touching your blood.

>I'm really not sure why the other players/ST are letting me get away with half this crap

Why wouldn't the Vetrue ask the prince for a boon of exchange of making you give the teeth back ? Why doesn't he try something else ? is he a retarded player ?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819609 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:50:34" && image=="1e brujah.jpg")

">>60819163
>they have always been "the learned clan"

Literally no. Brujah were always rage the clan who were "rebels" in the sense of people with problems with authority, not fucking pro bono lawyers working for kittens who have wrongly been accused of crimes they didn't commit.

What's being described in the preview is not the brujah, it's the carthian movement wearing the brujah's skin."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819745 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)19:58:11")

"Is 5+ Resources in the millions or billions of dollars?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819799 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:01:39")

">>60819609
Being the learned clan doesn't make them pro bono lawyers. They just used to be more philosophically minded warriors - think martial religious orders, knighthood, shit like that that could allow some real respect in fanatically following a cause, compared to rabble-rousing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819844 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:04:24")

">>60818558
I'm new to the system - this way of setting up a domain, with just a number of dots, seems a bit shallow, unable to keep up with details. Compare it to Shadowrun, where you can specify your living details, contacts that you have and their loyalty and influence, stuff like that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819891 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:08:13" && image=="1e sins.jpg")

">>60819745
millions.

>>60819799
they were never philosophically minded, they were just angry and channeled some of that anger into political causes, except for all the ones that didn't and just liked beating people up.

They were about the fight first, and everything else was an excuse, that was the brujah way.

If you want to play a fucking martial religious order member or a warrior poet you play fucking assamite or setite warriors."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819919 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:11:35")

">>60819891
Just look at The Dark Ages lore for them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60819956 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:13:46")

">>60819919
So before the anarch revolt?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60820079 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:23:50")

">>60819956
Yes. They weren't always rebellious troublemakers, that's the point I'm making. They used to be one of the High Clans, devoted to some radical philosphies but still warrior-scholars first and foremost. It was only after the Anarch Revolt and the rise of modern politics that they grew more into rebels without a cause."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60820090 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)20:24:29")

">>60820079
Their Warrior Scholar roots were broken from within, with the whole Tyler bullshit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821138 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:44:58")

"What if I wanted to homebrew a bloodline of vampires that grew used to surviving in extremely cold environments, like Scandinavia, Russia and Northern Canada?

Could have the weakness that they can only go into torpor when covered in ice or snow, even in response to mortal wounds."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821263 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:51:24")

">>60821138
Go ahead. Though there's a bunch of gangrels and malks already squatting there."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821282 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:53:01")

">>60821138
If they can only go into torpor when covered with ice/snow what happens when they're forced into torpor when there's no ice or snow?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821307 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:54:46")

">>60821282
Not him, but death, probably."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821324 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:55:50")

"Watching people lose their fucking shit over WtF20's "radical baby breeder feminists not accepting of transwomen" makes me wonder if this brand can survive.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821341 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:56:27")

">>60821138
>torpor
Too irrelevant, too inconsequential. Make that general 'sleep', not only 'torpor'."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821360 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)21:57:39")

">>60821324
Oh, don't worry about that, it survived being dead for fifteen years."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821457 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:02:18")

">>60821307
Yeah - I figure having it just being sleep is a bit too light of a weakness, since Tzimisce can get around their similar earth thing easy. Torpor is what vamps slip into in response to mortal wounds, as well as to pass away the time, and having to be covered in ice or snow means they can't just carry some around. They'd need to at least have a walk-in freezer.

Maybe that's too harsh? Could just double the time they have to stay in torpor if they don't have any ice."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821475 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:03:28")

">>60816069
Is Caine real or is he just a myth? If he is real, is he still running around tearing shit up?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821548 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:06:39")

">>60821457
>Maybe that's too harsh?
No. It's too soft, actually. Make it so they have to sleep and can fall in torpor only in the *natural* snow/ice or permafrosted ground."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821595 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:08:19")

">>60821475
ultimately I think it's best left ambiguous but in the old meta he's real, and as part of his curse is left to wander the earth. So presumably he has been bumming around since the deluge."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821655 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:11:09")

">>60821595
>and as part of his curse is left to wander the earth
Since that curse could easily fuck up everyone else's lives alongside Caine, i'd say that's something old testament God would do. I know the cab driver was hinted at being Caine by the game, even though that's retarded."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821702 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:13:01")

">>60821341
yeah, the tzimisce weakness but snow instead of their home soil makes more sense, torpor is so rare and not going into torpor doesn't really have an effect.

You also have to figure out how daysleep works in the far north, with that whole 6 months of day/night cycle. Maybe have them have really hard trouble waking up if it's too warm, so it's not that they need snow and ice to sleep, it's just that when they go south it gets too warm and they fall asleep for 6 months at a time unless they pack a load of ice in their coffin or sleep in a freezer.

>>60821324
Well the black furies have the totem of Pegasus, who was castrated by bellerophon and since then is referred to using neuter or female pronouns.

Which of course means that them in particular murdering trans werewolves is weird, compared to say the Get of Fenris who it would make sense being that weirdly focused on murdering non-wyrm things (but maybe the werewolf nun section of the Black Furies is doing it, who knows?).

Not that any of this has anything to do with VtM/VtR, you want the CoD/WoD general.

>>60821475
Well biblically his great great great grandson Lamech killed him because he mistook Cain's horn for an animal.

he could also just be at the bottom of the persian gulf after the flood, just "well I guess god drowned the world" without realising hte flood's over and he got washed out to sea."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821705 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:13:03")

">>60821655
Why? It would explain why a neonate was able to do all of that. Plus, Caine was bored so why not fuck things up a bit?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60821753 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:16:01")

">>60821702
>daysleep works in the far north, with that whole 6 months of day/night cycle
What's to figure? They sleep for up to half a year and are out and about for the other half of it unless they take a short nap to regain Willpower."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60822298 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:42:40")

">>60821548
Interesting idea, but that heavily restricts them as a bloodline. I like the idea that in their history they were stuck in the most frozen areas, but modern technology has allowed them to travel around a little more because they can artificially cool their havens. Restaurant freezers, meat packaging plants, even zoo exhibits could give them somewhere cold and icey to stay. Maybe a century ago they were in the embarrassing predicament of living inside ghoul's iceboxes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60822482 && dateTime=="07/12/18(Thu)22:51:33")

">>60822298
>heavily restricts them as a bloodline
Why? They won't die if they can't sleep, they just get extra grouchy, can't regain Willpower and get their dice pools bumped down to their Humanity rating. Also, what I'm suggesting is that they can preserve that natural snow, it would just mean that they have to be that much more careful with it instead of just sleeping in a fridge."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60823655 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:02:04" && image=="9e66569301be57abe281c48dc324bf2c_large.jpg")

"Let's say that, by some miracle, a bunch of normal average humans - not witch hunters, just lucky fucks that watched Dracula - manage to stake and kill a vampire.

What do the Kindred do in response to this? It seems like most of the laws are about what to do if vampires fuck up, not humans."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60823766 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:10:16")

">>60823655
Hide the corpse very well make a ghoul cry in camera and put the killers in jail or just kill them before they say anything."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60823883 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:17:52" && image=="2_by_milliganvick-daieiwt.png")

">>60816879
This. If nothing else sacrifice a few coffees or a nights take out and buy just the basic book or PDF. Given the shitstorm currently going on we need to show that we actually want the classic World of Darkness back/to continue. (Providing you do, of course.) This is a case of vote with your wallet.

I personally think they are being stupid giving people extra PDF codes. The idea is likely to make others interested and then they will buy future content, but in reality, it could just knock a hefty percentage off their sales. "Can I have your extra PDF code? I was going to buy it, and have a copy on my tab, but now we can play without me needing to spend extra. Hell, I'll bring the pizza next time.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824061 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:29:46" && image=="36976872_10156172553735465_5931697294335279104_n.jpg")

">>60817505
>>60817513
Kinda, because it's either going to have no/little effect on sales (I hope), the 'no bad publicity effect' might kick in and make people aware and buy that have never even read of VtM, or it could cause real issues with sales and distribution that kills the VtM relaunch before it even has a chance. That last point is something to be concerned about and warrents some discussion. Remember, live AMA later today/tommorow depending where you are."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824203 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:39:53" && image=="World-of-Darkness1.jpg")

">>60823883
That's something that bothers me about my buying practices. Basically even though I enjoy the physical books, or the original models, if I can get something as a free PDF or a third-party cheaper variation, I'll get it every time. I never end up supporting what I like, and sometimes I almost feel sympathy for businesses. I hate them and they're stupid, but think how confusing things must seem these days with piracy and constant sales by third-party sites."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824218 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:41:20" && image=="ChristofEntry.jpg")

">>60817623
>it also makes the game feel a bit lonely
I think that's intentional, even if it is the one thing that bothers me too. Life as kindred IS pretty lonely unless you make close knit friends, and even then, just how far can you trust someone who can either benefit from your death for favors or devouring your soul? Just look at Jeanette if you side with her. Thinking about it, all the vampires in Bloodlines are pretty much alone in their night-to-night life, even if they have connections. The closest thing to 'family' you see is the Anarchs; and I'd hardly call them that, really, given Damsel is basically the doorman, Skelter the bodyguard/sherriff, and Nines an awed figure, while Jack skulks downstrairs and makes everyone feel a little uncomfortable like that one uncle. I suppose thats why people keep Heather and why what happens is a gutpunch. It's also why Strauss is so popular; he makes you feel welcome, and valued as you prove yourself, and you live WITH him the chantry.

Going through Redemption again I think Christof is pretty damn lucky, trials and tribulations aside. Not only is he of a relatively low generation, old enough to class as an elder, with the Ainkurn sword; he actually has a 'family'. Anezka, Wilhem, Lily, and Samuel. We know he reunites with Ekaterina who seems to hold more respect and fondness for him than is normal. Maybe even Serena if she somehow survived the fate of her clan."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824300 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:47:21" && image=="d7f2eced-bd1b-4fb1-89eb-8630725bf367.png")

"Can love bloom even in undeath?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824336 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:50:13")

">>60819163
>>60819609
Have you considered for a moment that, given all the elders (and that includes Brujah) being called away, the current Brujah clan is likely made up of what amounts to 'Boomer' vampires broken across hundreds of coterie's with dozens of idealogies largely formed by modern political and cultural movements, and the massive suge of thin-bloods and 16th gens taking refuge with them? In the World of Darkness, the various Antifa groups are likely (unknowingly) tied to some young 'elders', vampires (full and thin blooded), ghouls, and all the kine they can use.

In V5 the sects have all changed with the times, forced to, to either thrive or survive. I mean, no one is telling you that you have to like it but I can personally see exactly how everyone (every group) could get to where they are described as being in V5 from where Revised/20th ended just pre-Gehenna."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824367 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:52:33")

">>60824336
>16th gens
I thought 14th was the cutoff point?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824384 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:53:46")

">>60824367
13th was for dark ages, 15th and dhampyrs for revised, and 16th gen for v5."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824405 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:55:17")

">>60824218
>Serena if she somehow survived the fate of her clan
Don't see why not. She's extremely capable, adaptable, especially considering she's but a fledgeling. Could've joined Tremere, blended in as some other clan in the Sabbat or went to the Shadowlands.
Garinol is in torpor at the bottom of Atlantic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824422 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:56:15" && image=="fuck_the_camarilla_by_mellorianj-d6kfo30.png")

">>60824203
Same anon, I'm terrible for it with comics, partially due to shelf/room space. I have to be selective. But in this particular case, the first book of what could be a continuation of one of the last series I love that hasn't (yet) been run into the ground, that they have massive plans for, and will eventually lead to more, vidya, but is also having issues with some of the playerbase right now... well... this time I'm putting my money where my heart is and buying.

I grabbed the Elder bundle. But even just buying the base physical book is a show of support. You can even sell it on a few months down the line and get some of that money back, and you'll stil have your PDF, and WW will still have that initial sales figure.

>>60824300
I like to think so. 'Only Lovers Left Alive' and 'She Walks Alone At Night' are some of my favorite vampire movies of the decade for that reason. I also unironically love the first few books of Ann Rice's Vampire Chronicles because of the relationships between the characters. Beckett and his friendship with Lucita and Anatole are also a high point, as not all love is romantic, of course."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824425 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:56:25" && image=="1529602550763.jpg")

">>60824300
Sure. You even have some lovers that turned to vampirism/ghouling to keep their love going throughout the ages, or vampires that developed an intense obsession with some person and Embraced them for that reason. Sex is still possible, even if it's not as pleasurable as feeding.

So if you want a Toreador to lose herself in the arms of a rough Brujah, or a Ventrue to bully a Tremere, or a Malkavian to get really really weird with a Gangrel, it's possible. Just don't make it way too common - not every vampire is going to care about love or sex, or will have so much to deal with they can't save much time for that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824449 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)00:58:06")

">>60824367
The blood is thickening in some thin-bloods. You could even argue that all thin-bloods are in fact 'full' blooded, and the vitae just has a longer gestation time. Shit as it was, it happens to the thin-blood PC of We Eat Blood just prior to the end, and it's mentioned in Beckett's Diary (BJD)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824481 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:01:10")

">>60824405
I like to think that, once he got his bearings, he went and found Serena and brought her back into the fold.

>Garinol is in torpor at the bottom of Atlantic.
Didn't know that. Huh. That's going to take some luck for him to be retrieved."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60824901 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)01:34:10")

">>60824449
Didn't the thin-blooded generations in the Dark Ages end up getting to be fullblooded over time? That makes sense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60825471 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)02:20:39")

">>60824901
I'm not sure. I'm only a few years into my occasionally study of the World of Darkness, and haven't looked too much at Dark Ages as I prefer the modern nights."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60826349 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:17:23" && image=="1468065002612.jpg")

">>60825471
Generally the same, but I'm the sort of faggot that started with a wiki and games, and then really delved into the books.

I could see them spinning that as a way to make Gehenna not really a thing. Something I liked from Bloodlines: that doomsday disease cult, the last guy you fight goes on about there being no Gehenna and him wanting to create an end of his own making. And in a way that's sort of admirable - instead of waiting for the end, create your own with a roar against fate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60826542 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:33:49")

">>60826349
That's actually what they're going for. Gehena is cyclical and the Antes could have been Thin-Blood themselves at one point, explaining their ability to create new disciplines."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60826628 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:40:41" && image=="5becaccc0cb58c712b0442137cce441d-d7va63s.png")

">>60826349
What >>60826542 says does indeed seem to be what they are going for, although this time something *is* 'different' because Demon is coming back/the Week of Nightmares still occured (it might even be the why of the Second Inquisition) and the Abyss cracked, so the Fallen are once again walking the earth. That alone suggests that an end really is due... it might just take further centuries, milennia, or even longer to come about, as a slow and creeping death or ascension.

I really hope V5 does extremely well and relaunches the classic World of Darkness completely, with an effort to make it all fit better than it did before. I was to see Sabbat packs mistaking a Fallen Redeemer for Saulot or something and trying to kill them. Mages and Princes doing politics. Woofs wrecking ghoul-run huma-farms. Pentex making the mistake of 'salvaging' an Earthbound without knowing its name or true nature before all hell breaks loose.

If they do it right it could be a better Supernatural than Supernatural. Especially given that show is basically Chronicles of Darkness in live-action."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60826744 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:51:34")

">>60816879
Mark Rein*Hagen wants to genocide slavs. Of course I will not support the man who wants me dead."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60826766 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)03:54:36" && image=="1494698438546.png")

">>60826628
Well, as far as I've seen they haven't shaken up the classic clans and their origins too bad, which is good. They're keeping to the essential spirit of Classic WoD, which is what I want and I think a lot of fans are interested in. I haven't really looked into VtR enough to criticize it, but it seems so vague and ill-defined compared to these long histories of conflict and camaraderie and betrayal. I liked the Tremere from what I learned in Bloodlines, but I loved their lore - this desperate struggle and clawing for power and recognition and clinging to unlife and magic, all built on shakey foundations that seem to spell their own destruction. Ruination from their own mistakes, it's fucking delicious and characterful and everything I like about WoD.

But, to get back to your point: if they could get it to all fit together more nicely, that'd be great. It's frustrating to read about how the vampires spread across the US and found their own seats of power, but then to also read about how the werewolves spread across the Pure Lands and have tribes up and down it, and did we mention the Baset and the Nuwisha? The last I like the idea of a lot, especially with their multifaceted deity and trickster-teacher archetype, but apparently their lore and book sucks and was kind of jarringly slapped in. If they could work that in better...if they could actually take account for the werewolves and vamps as a cohesive whole, alongside all that other stuff...

My only hangup would be Changeling stuff. I don't know much about how they did it in Classic, I only know about Changeling: the Lost because my friends got really into it, and it seems pretty good. I'd hate to lose that to a reboot."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60826944 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)04:19:15")

">>60819799
In-game that's what happened. In the metaplot they're just the rabble"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60827788 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)06:09:06")

">>60826744
He does? He's said as much? Because that seems like an extreme view to openly announce lol."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60828493 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)07:51:28")

">>60821702
Sounds like they’d also have the touch of frost flaw all the time"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60829769 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:03:52")

">>60827788
Extreme? I’d say it has become mainstream post EU expansion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830127 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:40:10")

"So anyone knows the guy that manages the megaz, i got some better pdfs for some of the VTMs book. And one that is missing.

Also, anyone bought the official PDF from Montreal by night? Is the same as the one in the megaz? With pages in Spanish and choppy scans?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830191 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:45:33")

">>60830127
Those megas were copypasted from WoDG, ask there."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830300 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)10:57:30" && image=="FuckingDuplicateFiles.jpg")

">elgoblino666: Hey, does anyone know why Zak S is so hated? I tryed searching and only found people complaining about him, but never saw any proof
lol, which one off you fuckers is that? Oh, and Stream starts in 3 minutes. Get in if you want a voice."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830372 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:05:02" && image=="699d1e0e-2395-4a63-be93-cf8c731d430c.png")

"What are some minor gods/goddesses a vamp would worship? I want to be a cult leader.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830441 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:12:58")

">BasileosAlexios:Jason will you disavoew Antifa and other segregationist left wing movements just the same as you disavoewed right wing hate movements or not, that's a simple question

Hahaha, he's fuming"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830476 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:16:22")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830488 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:17:26")

">>60830127
Upload it either there or just make a new Mega file and post the link, I'll make sure it's in the OP from now on"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830509 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:19:50")

">>60830441
And Jason backhandely answered "yes, but dont ask us shit like then when we are trying to damage control, you dick." without saying 'fuck Antifa'. Good enough for me. What, was Alexios expecting to show their power level on live stream?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830521 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:21:24")

">>60830509

Sounded to me more like he backhandedly answered "no, the antifa aren't a hategroup like nazis are, but we won't say that cause we're trying to end this political controversy not start a new one""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830522 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:21:25")

">>60830509
They already fucked up by even doing damage control, since people who whine are never satisfied. Best option would've been to stay the course and tell both sides to fuck themselves"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830543 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:23:37")

">>60830522
I disagree - I'm a leftist and found his answers saying "yeah we fucked that part, please continue letting us know what you think" to be reassuring."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830547 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:23:57")

">>60830521
You say tomato, I say, you know the drill. Glad you approve none the less. Now maybe all this shit will stop and people can go back to being interested in the content of V5 rather than the politics.

>>60830522
I don't disagree, but here we are."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830556 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:25:13")

">>60830543
The fact that you even thought it was a problem says a lot about you"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830558 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:25:26")

">>60830543
>I'm a leftist
You don't say."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830563 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:25:48")

">>60830556

sorry :X i'll try to do better :)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830621 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:31:33")

">>60817266
If the ventrue player is fine with it, go ahead sounds fun"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830733 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:41:05" && image=="1fea40e63b1033b66b5b11a9b3ec0830--warrior-girl-angels-and-demons.jpg")

"Can someone ask about the future of Demon and whether it will keep to its theological roots when it eventually appears? Can't get an account to activate.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830772 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:43:46")

">>60830733
2022 is far off anon, and that's if they even make a D20. But this livestream's more for damage control than any real quesitons"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830790 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:44:59")

">>60830621
I talked to the ventrue and they are cool with it. Apparently the ventrue PC is kind of a loser, socially, and lying/promising more power to him is something he'd pounce on."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830807 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:45:59")

">>60830772
Sure, but a few off topics have been answered, and I'm actually thinking DtF5 more than D20th. An email long ago confirmed Demon is among the gamelines returning. I'm just concerned as to whether it will return with full flavor or sanitised for 20XX."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830817 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:46:46")

">>60830807
Sanitised in what sense?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830825 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:47:02")

"Thanks to the anon who asked. Perfectly worded.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830861 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:49:02")

"This guy is very good with words. I like how he specifically noted what 'kindred' believe, rather than Garou, Mages or Demons.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830883 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:50:20")

">>60830817
Anything from downplaying the interesting take on the creation myth, compromising it to 'mix' with Mages Consensus, or outright rewriting to be carefully inoffensive like the God Machine."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830946 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:54:59")

">>60830883
Trying to mix any gameline with the consensus is a fool's errand."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830973 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:56:27")

">>60830372
Yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830977 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:56:42" && image=="1522833127103.jpg")

"Couldn't expect anything more. I'll take 'I love Demon' and 'Maybe after Werewolf (Before Mage, Wraith, Mummy, and Changeling?)' as good signs. Thanks for asking the question. I'm hopeful; now V5 just has to do well enough for them to keep going into the 2020s.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60830995 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:58:09" && image=="new_face_of_caine_by_galejro-d4y3pty.jpg")

">>60830946
They are going to have to come up with something, because they want a unified setting for vidya, novels, events, and especially that sweet sweet Neflix money. Bear in mind I don't disagree with you. I don't envy them the task."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831006 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)11:58:47")

">>60830861
>>60830825
Jason Carl is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBr55_UCfik&t=6s"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831021 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:00:09")

">>60830973
That's just so obvious."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831034 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:01:25")

"FUck I only saw the last 2 questions.
Can someone sum this up for me?
Was anything important asked?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831041 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:01:54")

">>60823883
>Given the shitstorm currently going on we need to show that we actually want the classic World of Darkness back/to continue. (Providing you do, of course.) This is a case of vote with your wallet.
Supporting v5 effectively means thar you do not want the oWoD back"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831056 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:03:20")

">>60830995
I mean there are a few things that fit perfectly together such as Wraith and Vampire.
Werewolf also semi fits together with them even if it gets a bit rough.
I have no clue about Demon and Mummy while Changeling doesn't really impact much from what I can see.
But fitting Mage in there either completly neuters the appeal of mage or stops making a lick of sense, like why hasn't the masquerade erased vampires from the consensus."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831065 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:03:58")

">>60831041
wat"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831090 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:06:41")

">>60816687
In a book Baba Yaga is said to be 7000 years old and Vasilisa to be twicer her age, so 14000, Absimillard might be even older"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831143 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:11:37")

">>60831056
Vampire and Demon go hand in hand, Wraith fits in nicely too, and arguably Hunter as well. But everything else should be left out"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831160 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:12:42")

">>60831041
I second >>60831065. wat?

>>60831056
Vampire and Demon (and Wraith) play very nice, Demon even having that little part about Caine and his curse. Like you say, even Werewolf fits if you squint. Agree with Mummy and Changeling, even if I don't know enough about how their metaplot handles them to coment. It's a certain other splat I don't dare bring up, because this has been a great thread so far."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831200 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:16:07")

">>60831021
Set."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831236 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:18:52")

">>60831021
But he's right though. If you're gonna gather a bunch of weak willed tards round might as well have them worship you directly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831295 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:24:41" && image=="AndreiSideOn.jpg")

">I was only nine years old.
>I loved Andrei so much, I had all of his fleshcrafted creations.
>I'd pray to Andrei every night before I go to bed, thanking for the life I've been given.
>"Andrei is love," I would say, "Andrei is life".
>My dad hears me and calls me a shovelhead.
>I knew he was just jealous for my devotion of Andrei.
>I called him a pawn of the Ancients.
>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep.
>I'm crying now and my face hurts.
>I lay in bed and it's really cold.
>A warmth is moving towards me.
>I feel something touch me.
>It's Andrei.
>I'm so happy.
>He whispers in my ear, "Ah, hello young Cainite. I see that your fice is not so lifeless, your nerves not so deadened, that you cannot express shock. Tell me childe, is my appearance that frightening, or is it my knowledge of you that is so unnerving?"
>He grabs me with his Bloodbuffed Tzimisce hands, and puts me on my hands and knees.
>I spread my ass-cheeks for Andrei.
>He Vicissitudes my butthole. It hurts so much, but I do it for Andrei.
> I can feel my butt getting fleshcrafted as my eyes start to water.
> I push against his force.
> I want to please Andrei.
>He roars a mighty roar, as he changes my butt with his fleshcrafting.
> My dad walks in.
>Andrei looks him straight in the eye, and says, "Do you have any idea how insignificant you are? When they start devouring the world, you will be nothing but a bloodstain on their capes! There is a red star in the night sky. The blood of mortals, and the blood of ages... all will be consumed. They are coming. These are the Final Nights."
>Andrei assumes Zulo form and leaves through my window.
>Andrei is love. Andrei is life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831448 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:38:07")

">I lay in bed and it's really cold.
>A warmth is moving towards me.
Need to swap these. Should be really warm and a coldness moves towards him.

>your fice is not so lifeless
>fice
Typo anon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831687 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)12:59:04")

"So how long till this fancy new edition actually comes out?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831728 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:02:13")

">>60831448

Other than that, how did I do? Will fix ASAP, thanks senpai."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60831734 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:02:40")

">>60831687
Maybe August"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832086 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:34:54")

">>60831728
Not bad at all. I don't know if I'd work on the placement of Vicissitudes or not, but memes and pasta aren't my strong suite."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832133 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:39:07")

">>60831687
Core start of august"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832183 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:43:12" && image=="1484820944002.gif")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832311 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:52:29")

"What are some clans you find easy to roleplay? I don't want to try too hard and fall flat

Game will be on Victorian Age"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832376 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:56:52")

">>60824422
Only Lovers Left Alive has become one of my favourite films, ever due to how beautiful it is. Not to mention the soundtrack being immense. Managed to snag a copy of it on vinyl.
I afree with you on Anne Rices novels, one of the major strengths of the series (up until memnoch the devil where you can tell she went off the deep end) was the extensive and deep love and relatonships between everyone. Personal favourites are Lestat/David, Lestat/Nicolas (pre turning) and Armand/Daniel."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832410 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)13:59:15")

">>60832311
Brujah, Toreado and Ventrue are probably the easiest"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832510 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:05:28")

"What are some vamp-kino to read or watch?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832526 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:07:01")

">>60832311
Nosferatu, just be yourself"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832544 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:08:40")

">>60832526
But I'm ugly on the inside, not the out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832566 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:10:43")

">>60832544
Same"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832571 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:11:05")

">>60832544
Then Tzmisce"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832589 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:12:24")

">>60832510
>watch
What We Do in the Shadows"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832592 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:12:34")

">>60832571
God I wish."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832595 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:13:11")

">>60832510
Yupiel no Geboku"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832617 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:15:31")

">>60832595
Yupiel-sama you worm"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60832652 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:18:04")

"Is there no video of the livestream?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833005 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:42:18")

">>60832510
Lost boys

Also read fledgling.
I mean... okay so don't read up on it because the "twist" on the vampire mythos that it has might... uh... scare you off if you know about it beforehand.

Let the right one in

Fuck, okay, all of these are about the child-vampire dynamic. Okay, hold on.

Blade (I and II are both great), Bram Stoker's Dracula, The 1930s Bela Lugosi Dracula.

If you're a weeb there's of course Helsing, but Blood is also pretty cool if you don't mind there being basically no depth."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833017 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:43:34")

">>60819609
>Skinheads
>Hasn't always been this way
Did you even read your picture?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833043 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:45:30")

">>60830300
Almost like there is no evidence..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833062 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:46:54")

">>60830563
You won't though. Odds are you'll never change."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833110 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:49:52")

">>60831056
Look just because you are too stupid to understand it doesn't mean the games aren't compatible."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833244 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)14:58:09")

">>60830372
Some vamps are old enough to remember worshipping pagan deities, from Athena to Marduk to Ceridwen. That works well nowdays with the resurgence of old religions and people wanting to join mystic cults."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833289 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:01:23")

">>60830372
Make a lilith cult, don't even make it the vampiric lore lilith, just a normal lilith cult."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833320 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:04:05")

">>60816069
>What was the worse Chronicle you ever played?
I had that Requiem session with a Belial's Brood that thought he could just RIP AND TEAR through every problem and ended up quite often in fury, and a Malkav that didn't follow the plot at all and almost had us killed.
I ended up the sole survivor, but the ST and me had a good time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833768 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:30:14")

"Soundtrack for the generals from now on :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdAjo0_EQkk"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833820 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:32:53" && image=="Amano Bowie.jpg")

">>60833768
THANK YOU."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60833958 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)15:39:13")

">>60833768
https://youtu.be/OKRJfIPiJGY

You sure this shouldn't be it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60834369 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:03:06")

"Actual theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e7yYBDHOgg"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60834896 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:31:12" && image=="Prehistoric-people-weapons.jpg")

"You are now an Antedeluvooomer mortal just recently embraced by one of the 2nd generation. You're just a shitty Thin-Blood at this point, what is your role, the discipline you develop and your jyhad end-goal?

Hard mode: You can't just fuck-off in a cave and jerk off to hand-paintings fo the rest of existence."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60834972 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:36:18")

">>60834896
Wait, hold up, hold up - none of the vamps who were the Antediluvians were ever thin-bloods. Thin-bloods don't seem to have shown up til the Dark Ages. Lower generations never had to deal with that shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835013 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:38:50")

">>60834896
I'm not sure how thin-blooded you'd already be. Being embraced by the 2nd gens is much different and without the rules of being embraced by the later gens.

>>60834972
I think they might newbie character creation xp wise, but as a 3rd gen."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835021 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:39:23")

">>60834972
Maybe he means thin blood in comparison to other 3rd gens, who can't gain sustain from mortal blood anymore"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835178 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:50:46")

">>60824218
>Maybe even Serena if she somehow survived the fate of her clan.

A bunch survived via the Underworld, they also keep popping up from Giovanni embraces. By Beckett's Jyhad Diary they're back as a full clan in the modern times.

Sucks to be a dago cuck."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835203 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:52:33")

">>60826766
>I haven't really looked into VtR enough to criticize it, but it seems so vague and ill-defined compared to these long histories of conflict and camaraderie and betrayal.

Thats kind of the point. Have you never wanted to play a vampire from a Vampire game that has nothing to do with the Camarilla, Sabbat, Caine, Antedelluvians or whatever? Or change some other basic aspect of VtM?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835214 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:53:16")

">>60835203
Not really, no. I like the dumb cheesy lore stuff."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835233 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:54:20")

">>60835214
Always? Forever?

I know I had enough after ten years, I cant imagine what it must be for ur-grognards whom been around since 1st edition."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835249 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:55:15")

">>60835233
Well it's not like the setting can't be changed while keeping the mechanics I know if I do get tired of it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835305 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)16:58:38")

">>60835249
This is correct, and the mechanics can also be tweaked to be different/more interesting/better/worse.

Hence VtR. Shit you can use the translation guide to get the VtM disciplines too if you really want.

VtM is for being a salubri, tzimisce, settite, antitribu.

VtR is for being an Ordo Dracul, Invictus, non-dogshit Circle or Lancea."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835331 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:00:25")

">>60835178
>By Beckett's Jyhad Diary they're back as a full clan in the modern times.
Caps are back on the menu? Are they gonna be in V5?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835362 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:02:03")

">>60835203
I'm new to all this, I like having some defined background and history. If I wanted something more sandboxy and freeform encouraging me to make my own setting, I'd play a different game - and frankly I've gotten a bit tired of those sorts of games, it seems like GMs never want to do much interesting with them and players want to twiddle their thumbs and get told what to do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835377 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:02:45")

">>60835021
I mean, we don't know if that's the case at the time of the embrace of the 3rd generation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835445 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:05:56")

">>60816879
I remember when I did that for V20, and I still regret my awful decision."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835482 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:08:14")

"I was stuck at work all day. can I get a run down on the AMA?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835518 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:10:50")

">>60835482
they're not nazis"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835557 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:12:52")

">>60835518
No shit. Anything actually happen or was the whole thing damage control bullshit?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835715 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:21:57")

">>60835557
Basically."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60835990 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:36:54")

"So does anyone know the total of the Bloodlines in VtR? Shit looks ridiculous. i'm checking out one book now and it just starts by saying they've got a dozen just in there.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836030 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:39:22")

">>60835990
At least 40, most of them are the same thing though."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836229 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:51:38")

">>60835990
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There's dozens. I'm sure there's like 60. Most of them overlap or are completely uninteresting or both.

Just ignore them, everyone does."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836257 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)17:53:25")

">>60833062
eeeheehee, you caught me!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836489 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:09:05" && image=="1521948218159.png")

">>60821475

He's taking a nap and only God gets to wake him up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836583 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:15:25")

"How can I make a mnemosyne type vampire in Masquerade? I wanna eat some memories, yo, hopefully they'll be less embarrassing than mine.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836636 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:17:53" && image=="1522341277915.png")

">>60824300

Sure can."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836683 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:20:10")

">>60832526
I don't know much about this game besides what's in Bloodlines, is there any reason for a Nosferatu to cause an instant panic the second he's seen by the public in modern times? Between people being too busy to give a fuck, cosplay, pranks, and the excuse of "it's a genetic disorder" i can't imagine that many people freaking out to the point where it'd break the masquerade. The only major problem would be from vampire hunters, and it isn't like they'd be bumming around in a Mcdonald's parking lot at 11pm."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836687 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:20:23" && image=="1442083353397.png")

">>60836636
Quality stuff. Though that's more of a thrallhood than love."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836715 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:21:57")

">>60832510

Midnight Son.

>>60836687

You should read the Ghouls book for VtR. Intro fiction is about a father ghouled to his daughter, who puts him through shit just for a drop of his blood."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836721 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:22:10")

">>60836683
The instant panic was a way to include it in the game.
But in most cases you do look absolutely inhuman"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836761 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:24:21")

">>60836683
It's a supernatural curse, bro. Can easily play it as "in spite of the knowledge that prosthetics, pranks, etc exist, in the primal lizard part of the brain mortals KNOW it's not natural""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836818 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:27:27")

">>60836721
I feel like the thing that makes people freak out about Nosferatu isn't their appearance, it's the smell. If i got on a train i'd rather sit next to the guy who looks like a demon that smells like daisies than the guy who looks perfectly normal but smells like rancid shit.
>>60836761
That'd make sense if they ever actually bothered using that as an excuse instead of "yeah they just look creepy and smell like a sewer". I mean what's stopping a Nosferatu from just wearing a baggy hoodie and some jeans? People will only be able to see them directly from the front and it isn't like someone's gonna call a random stranger that they met in a gas station at 2am a disgusting freak of nature to their face."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836838 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:28:25")

">>60831065
It's like dragon ball gt"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836874 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:31:19")

">>60836818
>I mean what's stopping a Nosferatu from just wearing a baggy hoodie and some jeans?
Nothing.
Just as nothing stops Nosferatu from walking around in public with stuff like thick trenchcoats.
Just interacting with any normal person is basically impossible because you kind of have to show your face for that.

The everyone freaking out and running away was purely a VTMB thing"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836890 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:32:22")

">>60836683
No, they don't cause instant panic and terror, but at best they look like count olaf, and from there they move into maws, exposed bones, festering sores, and whatever else have you that draws a lot of attention.

You're not an instant masquerade violation, if you were the Ventrue would have had you staked and left for the sun, But you are one ugly motherfucker, and someone who has to use their vampiric powers to blend in."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60836901 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:32:49")

">>60836838
You mean Dragon Ball Live Action Movie?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837192 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:50:51")

">>60836687
Thralls are weird. Heather Poe wanted to be my waifu, but she was a little too eager bout it. What the hell would a dude have done?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837278 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:55:03")

">>60836683
They shouldn't really cause a panic - most of them could get away with a disguise or some disciplines. That one that used to be a fashion model in Bloodlines doesn't even look that bad, baldness aside. Then again, she only got turned recently."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837357 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)18:59:25")

">>60836901
No he means a non canon sequel that looks the same on its surface but is just shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837424 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:03:04")

">>60837278
Of course most of them could get away with a disguise or some disciplines, the curse is their looks. Cover their looks and there's no reason for the supernatural fear that's inspired by looking at them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837440 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:03:59")

">>60837357
So what are you going to do? Refuse to buy anything until they bring back a roleplaying game from the late 90s exactly as it was with no changes just to make you happy? V5 may be the closest we get aside from V20, otherwise they'll get bored of courting grognards and go back to VtR."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837497 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:06:59")

">>60830488
>Upload it either there or just make a new Mega file and post the link, I'll make sure it's in the OP from now on

megaz
guilded cage (VtM)
#!qF1RlARJ!GScPzfKZps-MWSLxnmXSaIkEGR_F7YmhKlmyqmw0JJc

Changeling the dreaming Core (1st)
#!GEkXWa7Y!cxr3RjVXrUPpgYBZMMC-PZu1YE-QLo_q73HcCwg00I4"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837509 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:07:25")

">>60837424
But there is no supernatural fear, their clan curse is just their hideous features. If you want supernatural fear, maybe even if they're in diguse people just assume they're a criminal or a mugger or someone dangerous and creepy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837513 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:07:39")

">>60837440
>they'll get bored of courting grognards
They're not the only ones, there's a reason I'm posting here on a Friday night."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837563 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:10:08")

">>60837509
You're right, it's not supernatural fear, it's just supernaturally ugly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837624 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:13:00")

">>60816879
>Can't you support V5 even a little bit by buying it? Otherwise it'll die quick and we won't ever get anything new again.

I will pirate that game to anyone who wants it for free just so NuWW doesnt get a fucking cent.

>>60837440
>So what are you going to do? Refuse to buy anything until they bring back a roleplaying game from the late 90s exactly as it was with no changes just to make you happy?

Or we could want a game that doesn't aesthetically look like shit, read like shit (with their 3 paragraph and fine small font, and devotions in weird places) with bad mechanics (hunger dices, etc):

It's really not that hard. Grab OWoD and put it in non-shit system. It shouldnt be that hard and somehow NuWW keeps fucking it up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837667 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:15:13")

">>60835331
We don't know. BJD presents them as ones who escaped into the Shadowlands, but we don't know when or where they'll be covered."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837698 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:16:57")

">>60837624
I haven't had any issues with the aesthetics from what I've seen, they're much preferable to the v20 clan characters"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837712 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:17:45")

">>60835557
They did damage control at the start, and talked about a few things. Major points of note...
* Thaumaturgy is in, but it's 'different' in some way due to the Second Inquisition.
* The Nosferatu got hit hard because of the SI's technological penchant, but how we don't know.
* Humanity (and thus Paths) are based heavily around the 'pick your ethos' angle, and he gave some examples of what Stains are (basically you sin, you Stain you soul and you have to do things in line with that ethos to cleanse yourself or lose humanity).
* Generation is in, but it's combined with a BP-like mechanic, so you could have a strong neonate on par with a weak (low BP) elder. It implies that Gen still matters to stuff like maximums... but we'll see.
* Malkavians have Dementation.
* They haven't decided on what to do with the Assamites yet.
* Core is done, they're finalizing stuff for Cam and Anarch books."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837759 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:20:19")

">>60837698
>I haven't had any issues with the aesthetics from what I've seen, they're much preferable to the v20 clan characters

Its probably my personal bias, just that vampires in my games dont dress like the cast in Zoolander."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837795 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:22:34")

">>60837698
>they're much preferable to the v20 clan characters

Yet they are inferior to the VDA 20 clan characters. And if memory serves me right at the time the artist for V20 died or something and they got rushed to find a replacement for the art thats why it looks so awful."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837796 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:22:35" && image=="1530642446300.png")

">be a Ghoul
>get badly wounded in a Sabbat ambush
>no vamp near by to give blood
>miraculously drive self to a Camirilla control hospital
>prepped for surgery
>mfw see surgeon is a Malk"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837821 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:24:00" && image=="1531522786833.jpg")

">>60816069

Could someone please post the Demon the Descent Storyteller's Screen's PDF? It's gone frome the mega stash and the only other place I found it is on Scribd but this FUCKING BITCH of a website wo'nt fucking download for me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837908 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:28:42")

">>60837795
Oh yeah, DAV20 looks so much better."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837930 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:29:53")

">>60837759
I actually think the elysium dress quirk kind of works. You've got vampires who have gone through decades or centuries of different styles, having their own opinions on what they like from those styles. Elysium is a place for them to be themselves without getting weird looks from mortals."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60837983 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:34:22")

">>60837624
I get corporations are evil, blah blah blah, but let's say they don't make any money and go under and have to sell the WoD shit. You have no idea who they'd be selling it to, how they're going to treat it. I'd rather stick with the known evil than the unknown one, and I'd definitely rather support the game I like than whine about some corporation's apparent political agenda or whatever. This isn't a hill worth dying on."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838004 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:35:28")

">>60837712
>* They haven't decided on what to do with the Assamites yet.
They should put them in Camarilla"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838022 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:36:30")

">>60837796
At least it isnt tzmisce"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838074 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:39:55")

">>60838004
Jason said that they'll be mentioned in the Camarilla book but they haven't decided on what to do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838205 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:48:55")

">>60837712
>* Malkavians have Dementation
Wait was that ever in question?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838217 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:50:04")

">>60838205
They could've gone back to Dominate Malks. The great prank is cancelled, everybody, let's go back to being more terrifying."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838262 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:52:43")

">>60838205
I don't know why, but some numbnut felt it was worth asking. Perhaps based on the BJD plot thread where they dug up what might be their Antediluvian and EVERY Malkavian drank from it (but it also might be his sister Malakai).

There was also a question about 'is the Bible still true in VtM?' which I felt was a bit of a bait question, and the answer was 'Well, all of this lore comes from a lot of unreliable narrator, and some vampires might believe the Lilith as the mother of monsters myth as the first vampire'. Essentially a 'the past is very cloudy' without having some dude go off on OH GOD WHY DO YOU SIDE WITH TEH RELIGION?!?!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838328 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:58:36")

">>60838217
>Dominate Malks
>terrifying
Do I really need to post the original clanbook?
Revised was superior in every way.
Also the Great Prank was locking away Dementation"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838346 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)19:59:55")

">>60838217
I mean v20 still felt the need to say "YO YOU WONDERING WHY THEY DON'T HAVE DOMNATE"
Which, let's be clear here, no one was.
Dominate has been the standard for a decade, it's been the standard for longer than dominate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838560 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)20:12:42")

">>60837796
Malks are pretty good docs. The only ones that are better at it are Tremere with appropriate path and rituals. So long as either's interested in your well-being, course.
Generally:
Tzimisce: their discipline is good for cosmetic surgery, but most likely they will fuck you up. At best you'll end up as one of those fifteen fused into a vozhd and lobotomized.
Salubri: most reliable healers, can remove all aggravated damage immediately and without a roll, but can't do much aside from that. Just make sure it's a healer and not one of their four other batshit strains.
Malks: you're in for it now. Hope you've got one that's really wants you alive.
Tremere: can turn you into an Übermensch. Can also turn you into one of their monstrosities. Well, at lest they can be negotiated with, and either way you'll end up stronger than you'd been had you went to Tzimisce. Less braindead, too.
Giovanni: also good at medicine, but if you're under tender ministrations of one you're on your way to becoming another corpse in their service."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838589 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)20:14:38")

">>60838560
though really you want a blood bound ghoul or just to sleep it off with a few blood dolls on hand to top you off."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60838986 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)20:40:58")

"You idiots always arguing about the lore when you can go and ST a game in real life.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60839133 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)20:50:42" && image=="1530972270255.jpg")

">>60838986
Why do you think argue about the lore?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60839213 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)20:56:41")

">>60838560
Sometimes the line feels really blurred on how the Tremere are going to treat you versus how the Tzimisce would. Like, they both have some revenants, one makes some flesh-crafted monstrosities and the other threw some vampires together to create a monstrosity of a bloodline..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60839292 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:02:15")

">>60839213
>Tremere
Are technically a bloodline of Tzimisce that had surpassed them, that's why."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60839609 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:24:29")

">>60837983
>and I'd definitely rather support the game I like than whine about some corporation's apparent political agenda or whatever.

I preffer to take the unknown evil. And i am not hating them because of their political agenda but because their game looks (both aesthetically, design and system wise) like shit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60839773 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:37:25")

">>60838986
I would love to ST a game, but I have been unable to find people who want to play Vampire."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60840004 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:51:11")

">>60839609
Well that's more than fair, but then you wouldn't want to be sharing that PDF around, right? You'd just avoid it and play a variation of WoD you thought was better."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60840025 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)21:52:09")

">>60840004
> on a /tg/ general whining about piracy.

What is wrong with you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60840253 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:07:10")

"DRUMPH BTFO
https://www.geeknative.com/61962/white-wolf-just-told-alt-right-fck-off/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60840282 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:09:19")

">>60840025
I'm mad at the idea that people would want to screw V5 over because of political bullshit. So what if the people in charge aren't personally agreeing with your every opinion? At least they're not GW, throwing their own IPs under the bus. Or Bethesda, making lazier and lazier games - when they're not pushing out MMOs and card games - and trying to squeeze money from modders. You should be supporting the game if it's good, or not support it if it's bad. A little pirating is okay and doesn't really hurt anyone, but not what that earlier anon was suggesting with sharing copies, and just to fuck with 'nuWW.' Who even cares? I just want the game!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60840502 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:21:36")

">>60840004
>Well that's more than fair, but then you wouldn't want to be sharing that PDF around, right? You'd just avoid it and play a variation of WoD you thought was better.

I prefer if another company that didnt include idiots like Dracula or Hagen (a man that admitted on camera to being fired for incompetence) made the game. Just a non-shit system."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60840525 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)22:23:43")

">>60840004
>You'd just avoid it and play a variation of WoD you thought was better.

Also remember that depending how "well received" VtM is, its gonna affect WtA and MtAsc. I already got Mage ruined by the goatfucker, not looking forward to Dracula taking a shot at it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60841602 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:46:23")

">>60840525
>Mage ruined by the goatfucker
Just play 2e and adjust roll/dox mechanics a bit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60841706 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:53:42")

">>60841602
Thinking about Mage 5, I can see how the Hunger rules could easily swap over to Paradox rules..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60841727 && dateTime=="07/13/18(Fri)23:56:07")

"It sorta bugs me that the gangrel in VTR don't have vigor as a clan discipline while daeva do.

In this portrayal the gangrel are the vampire as the alpha predator.A big tough physical being connected to nature and the dangers inherent in the wilderness.It's the vampire as the old monster of slavic folklore.

The Daeva is the vampire as the corruptor. Dangerous not because he represents the unknown dangers of the wilderness, but temptation and the subversion of our very souls. Like certain versions of Dracula (Any post-black and white portrayal that heavily features Lucy) or Lestradt.

But somehow the Daeva is the one who can flip cars and run at mach speed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60841842 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)00:05:53")

">>60841706
Yep. And prolly would work better than Hunger does for vamps."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842241 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)00:46:41")

">>60841727
It's always the quiet ones who have the worst berserker fits."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842263 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)00:49:18")

">>60841727
Where'd you put it? Their clan Disciplines are more essential than Vigor to that image. Besides, they have high Strength and aggravated damage already, they don't need to compensate for the lack of it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842375 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:01:13")

">>60836715
>You should read the Ghouls book for VtR. Intro fiction is about a father ghouled to his daughter, who puts him through shit just for a drop of his blood.

That was legitimately one of the best pieces of fiction produced for World of Darkness, new or old.
Although I suppose it's a bit spoiled by the prior knowledge that she's his daughter."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842400 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:03:00")

">>60837440
Yes, I'll not buy it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842441 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:06:35")

">>60837983
You seen to forget that it's a bussinesses. If I think their material is horrible, I'll not pay a cent.

I don't really care if they sell the WoD rights. V20, and probably v5 dont look like the old WoD anyway"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842489 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:11:15")

">>60821138
Also, look up Mikhaili bloodline of VtR Gangrel. They're gone now, something happened during their war with Gangrel that diluted their blood to the point of extinction. Their weakness was falling in torpor for summer. They were able to store up the blood, drink it from long-dead corpses or frozen, and were invulnerable to the blood bond while their ability to bind others was greatly strengthened. All in all worse than Protean, which is one of the reasons why they lost to Gangrel. The other was, of course, being prone for summers.
They weren't to my liking, you'd be better off with Telyav, but I mention them all the same."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842664 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:25:51")

"Was there ever an errataed version of Half-Dammed and 1000 Years of Night? Some of the errors in there were pretty bad.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842704 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:29:14")

">>60842441
You don't have to pay anything, I'm not against piracy on every front - it's honestly a good way to look at the shit before you buy it, or if you can't afford it legally - but you shouldn't be passing free material off to other people who don't think it's horrible. Then it goes from actually making a statement to just fucking with the company.

At least let the other people pirate it themselves and put a little effort in if they really don't want to pay money."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842716 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:30:21")

">>60841602
>>60841706
Goat fucker can't have done a worse job than dracula will do.

Did he write on any vampire books?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842768 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:34:54" && image=="20140507051813-viking-atack.jpg")

">>60842489
I don't know much about VtR stuff, but they do seem fairly flavorful and close to what I would like. Makes for some good inspiration, thanks.

Also, Telyav? The Tremere bloodline? They don't seem very cold-themed. I was thinking maybe they'd be a Gangrel or Brujah bloodline - I think at one point the Gangrels went up to Scandinavia, so that would kind of make sense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842844 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:43:21")

">>60842768
Telyav are Baltic, but, more importantly, powers-of-the-land-themed. Also in-house ability to create your own north-themed paths and rituals. Easier to convince your ST to let you play them. Yeah, Gangrel would be second best."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842924 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:52:08")

">>60842844
If you go with Teylav, replace their weakness with one of those you've discussed. Not only it doesn't fit them, it rarely comes up in play and even when it does it's mostly irrelevant as they are ranged casters, not melee combatants. Or take some thematic flaws."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60842995 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)01:59:30")

">>60840282
Its the political bullshit leaking in that makes the books crap tho. Plus indie game gimmicks."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843190 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)02:20:14")

">>60842924
What if True Faith was tweaked to be more dangerous at a range as well?

Or maybe they had to keep some tie to the worship of Telyavel, performing some sort of ritual before or after a feeding or something."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843579 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:00:24" && image=="M20 True Faith.png")

">>60843190
Good idea with ritual. In all my games I've made it so that Tremere could only embrace/convert through ToS, couldn't shake its effects even through Vaulderie or innate unboundability and were unable to embrace or be blood bonded otherwise. Just once (the idea wasn't taken to warmly by Tremere player) I've made it so they couldn't feed normally, only through Theft of Vitae or specialized ritual.

True Faith's main problem is its incredible rarity. It might seem underwhelming and pitiful in offence, but as it is TF4 alone is extremely good, rendering you completely invulnerable to all mental and emotional effects vampires can produce (Obfuscate, Chimerstry, Dominate, Presence, Dementation, Daimonion, Melpominee, Animalism, bonds, rituals and so on). Even ten-dot versions of them.
Not that it would matter much for a Teylavelic Tremere. Another option is to go can go with main Tremere clan, since they can learn all paths of Thaumaturgy-like sorcery anyway, but then you'd have to bother with Tremere politics.

There's yet another northern bloodline, Noiad, the Finnish bloodline of Gangrel with Auspex instead of Fortitude who cannot drink from animals. But all in all they're rather underwhelming and their weakness is incredibly annoying for someone of Gangrel's lifestyle.

As for expanding the effects True Faith, you might want to look into Mage's True Faith, Celestial Chorus, Knights Templar and the Inquisition. Their versions of it are much better than one defined in Vampire."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843702 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:12:12")

"WHITE WOLF TOLD THE NAZIS TO FUCK OFF! V5 INCOMING!

https://www.geeknative.com/61962/white-wolf-just-told-alt-right-fck-off/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843741 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:15:30")

"As someone who's never played VtM or VtR, or any White Wolf game even, due to a lack of good timing for roll20 games or interested friends, I have a question.

What is combat like in these games? As someone who's main experience is D&D 5e combat on roll20. Does it require an excess of maps and grids? Is it quick or long? Is it *fun*?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843764 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:17:42")

">>60843702
>https://www.geeknative.com/61962/white-wolf-just-told-alt-right-fck-off/
Welp, they've decided to bow over to political criticism. The whole game is fucked then."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843776 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:18:45")

">>60843702
>These concerns ranged from the use of ‘Triggered’ to describe a Brujah discipline
wat"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843873 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:28:06")

">>60843741
You roll a ton of d10 a lot, at least four times more than you really need to. The system is slower than D&D, but much simpler. Dice pools are mostly formed by attribute+skill, but sometimes you roll virtues or powerstat. Failures are common, botches are a bit less common. So is dramatic success, if you can get your difficulty down to some reasonable number. Any map will do, you can even go without.
Download and read the corebook if you're interested in details."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843975 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:38:06")

">>60836874
>>60836890
Depending on the crowd they might actually do fine in the modern nights. 'Extreme body modification' or 'amazing prosthetics and makeup for the event'. Wonder how many Nossie's take advantage. It mustbe nice to have just that brief moment where someone enthuses over your appearance, even if it is a back handed complement given they are just impressed with how horrific you managed to get. And then there are the really fucked up people who would genuinely get off to having a social/romantic entanglement with a genuine monster."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60843985 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:39:25")

">>60843975
They really wouldn't. Appearance 0 isn't just super ugly, it's supernaturally ugly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844012 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:42:50")

">>60843873

I plan to give V5 a read when it comes out. I skimmed VtR 2e like, 2 years ago when it seemed like a friend was gonna run it, but it fell through before I could even make a dent.

So you're saying that, were I to try my hand at running my own game when V5 is out, I could easily get away with just 'theater of the mind' for combat related stuff?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844020 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:43:35")

">>60843776
This confused me as well. Do lefties think "triggered" is now exclusively a term f9r hurt feelings?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844031 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:45:08")

">>60844020
No, but the overuse of the term as an insult for calling something out does diminish the term for triggering PTSD in individuals and similar symptoms."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844042 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:46:18")

">>60844020
I dunno but I'm pretty sure it didn't have anything to do with a discipline."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844085 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:51:21" && image=="1527976680739.png")

">>60840004
>>60840025
I agree with him, in this case, at least until its been out a while. V5 sales will decide whether the entire future of World of Darkness even occurs. It's only right, for those of us who want to see it go on at least, to support it. Giving it away free on day 1 is basically just shitting where you eat. And honestly, do you really think *anyone* is going to buy a franchise that ended so long ago if a relaunch failed? We were fucking blessed that Paradox even wanted it, and even then, it was in large part due to Bloodlines. If this dies it's just going to be new edition of VtR for-fucking-ever. Maybe not even Bloodlines 2 if it really tanks, and then the Werewolf game does too.

>>60840282
Agreed. 100%.

>>60837624
Why you would even have the PDF is you refuse to buy it because its shit? Sounds like you are just a monkey hurling shit who is out to spite WW after you give them exactly what they want from you, that sweet green.

Honestly I think, if only for the first month or two, we should keep the PDF out of the MEGA. It won't stop assholes from sharing it in the thread, but it gives WW a little support in that sales period. Because lets be honest; every fucker who plays these games knows where to get the free shit, even if thats generally fine and dandy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844086 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:51:33")

">>60844012
>'theater of the mind' for combat related stuff?
Yes, there are MET rules for most splats. And you as a Storyteller can generally set the difficulty and skip the steps you deem to cumbersome. Don't take any rule as set in stone, this isn't D&D. There is a conversion for D20, but, well, it's written by Monte Cook."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844088 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:51:43")

">>60817266
Don't make PVP plans in a fucking vacuum without talking to anyone else. This is how you tank games."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844155 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)03:57:57" && image=="Joy.gif")

">>60840525
You just sound generally bitter at everything that isn't seen through nostalgia goggles. I'm sorry anon. That has to be unpleasant when you love(d) the franchise at one point. But cWoD ended in the early 2000s. It's older than my little brother who is currently looking for his first proper job.

You are basically that one guy who got dragged to the party by his girlfriend who sits in the corner drinking and glaring at anyone who goes near her and grumbles to anyone who makes the mistake of trying to talk. Image very much related as most of us are looking forwards to V5 and celebrating its rebirth."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844176 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:00:17")

">>60843764
>>60843702
It was blatent lip service in Jason's smooth dulcit tones. Erikson and other figures are still exactly where they were last week. They will just be more creative and subtle in being 'Swedish Edgelords' in the future."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844184 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:00:59")

">>60844020
>implying it hasn't been co opted by /pol/

"guys kek doesn't carry any implications or anything it's just a funny way to say lol inspired by World of Warcraft""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844197 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:02:47")

">>60844176
WoD wasn't subtle."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844210 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:04:06")

">>60844197

More subtle than having 1488 appear in the example dice rolls, at least."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844211 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:04:13" && image=="MasqueradeBreach.jpg")

">>60843985
>Image related
Sure, its a tragedy someone who was probably 7/10 before, but people do some fucked up shit to themselves. If she time travelled even a couple of hundred years back they might kill it with fire.

I take your point though but they still may get away with 'botched' body modification."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844226 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:05:36")

">>60844197
I didn't say subtle, I said being creative and subtle in delving into *particular* subjects and 'triggers'."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844257 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:08:46")

">>60844211
Right, but I refuse to accept that that's appearance 0. The Nosferatu curse is by caine himself, cursed by god themself, and can't be cured, even through the power of other immortal reality shapers. Appearance 0 is supernatural in origin to me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844405 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:22:56" && image=="MasqueradeBreach2.jpg")

">>60844257
We have actual examples to show that this isn't (always) the case, though. The normie npcs you are forced to deal with in Bloodlines react in all sorts of grossed out ways, but even if forced by the narrative, its an example of what I'm talking about. Breaches on the street where just gameplay and a way to offer a different experiance since a coat and hood would have worked fine just for walking around.

I mean, imagine how this poor fuck is going to look as his skin ages."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844426 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:25:00" && image=="Anydice.png")

"Anydice is fun. I've just started playing V20 recently, and so I threw this together to figure out what probabilities I have to succeed in a given task.

Having a total of 3 dice in a difficulty-7 roll means you've got a little over a 65% chance of getting at least one success. Having only 1 dice is only a 40% chance. 7 dice is an 82% chance... but if you have 10 dice AND a specialty in whatever you're doing, you'll have a 92% chance of success... and usually an average of 3-5 successes.

The way I set it up is that I made a virtual 10-sided die that has a -1 (success) on one side, and then a +1 (success) on the other sides that would normally succeed. So a diff-7 dice has four +1s and one -1, while a diff-3 dice has eight +1s and one -1.

Anything with specialties gets a +2 on one of their sides, too, since that represents the 10.

... Sorry. Probabilities get me going."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60844530 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)04:33:29")

">>60844211
>pic
she’s more in line probably what tzmisce start with than where nos end up..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845384 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)06:22:33")

">>60844211
>people do some fucked up shit to themselves
Did somebody say coldnessinmyheart ?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845446 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)06:31:30")

"The AMA is now on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7Ce1t04_4"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845710 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:07:07")

">>60845446
>but when we release the PDF at Gencon on August 2nd
Wait what? Does he mean the PDF for the whole rulebook?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845727 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:09:49")

">>60845710
Yep. Think I read that. Is thta earlier than the actual release date? Because if so I can see that causing some issues. "Teehee, sorry, I want to cancel my preorder.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845749 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:12:38")

">>60845727
I don't think a definitive release date was given. Just a vague "sometime in August" so this could be it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845777 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:16:09")

">>60845710
I think you can buy the physical at gencon aswell.
If you just bought the core rulebook it should ship around that point aswell but the bundles are obviously only shipped when the other 2 release as well"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845869 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:27:51")

">>60845777
>the bundles are obviously only shipped when the other 2 release as well
To my endless rage while also understanding you can't send books that don't exist. they could have at least sent the core book out and just left room in the slipcase for it when they sent out the others. Bah, least I'll get the PDF version to read on my tab. It will just make the impact of the physical book lesser."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845929 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:37:50")

"19 more days.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845955 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:40:33" && image=="offended vampire.png")

"Someone started this petition to let White Wolf know that there are more people supporting V5 than those who are offended by it.

https://www.change.org/p/wesupportv5-fans-of-vampire-the-masquerade-world-of-darkness-in-support-of-5th-and-future-editions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60845970 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)07:42:16")

">>60845955
I have no strong opinion on V5 one way or another."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846512 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:54:30")

"Tell me what makes your city special.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846551 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)08:59:18")

">>60846512
It’s doomed to be the american atlantis"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846823 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:29:11")

">>60842441
What does 'look like' even mean in this context?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846849 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:31:54")

">>60844012
Vampire isn't prebuilt for using D&D-style maps and grids. It's much easier to do with abstracction (even though they do give things like specific ranges and such for weapons, or movement), but it doesn't have the D&D things of 'this creature takes up five 5 foot squares' type stuff."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846859 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:32:58")

">>60846823
It isn't exactly the same so their grognard sensibilities have been violated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846888 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:36:14")

">>60845710
The core book will be on sale at Gencon.
Anyone who ordered JUST the core book will have it shipped on August 2nd.
The core will be on sale on their site on August 2nd.
Anyone who preordered anything that has the core, will get their free emailed PDF code on August 2nd."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846914 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:38:25")

">>60846859
I guess it's like those people who post all over that 'We don't need a new edition! V20 is PERFECT!' and they don't understand that, the new edition is meant to be the building block/springboard for both bringing in new fans as well as updating things for old fans, and also being the building block for any type of video games and future material. If V5 TT fails, there will be no anything. No Bloodlines-style video game, no 5th editions of anything else, no NOTHING.

So I hope it succeeds. But, if it fails, I hope Paradox just sits on the IP and does nothing with it, including cutting all licenses."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60846993 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:47:24")

">>60844155
>impliying i wasnt happy with the idea of v5 until i saw the previews.

Its more like just waiting for v5 to be a disaster and ww to go under and try my luck next time"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847060 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:52:27")

">>60846914

But that logic is flawed, liking an update just because its an update regardless of quality is just as bad as not getting anything post v20. So vydia aside what good does a edition of vampire that ones considers shit? (for how it is and not the author politics)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847133 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)09:58:41")

">>60842704
>Then it goes from actually making a statement to just fucking with the company.

What if your statement is “fuck the company}?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847233 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:06:43")

">>60847060
I'm not saying to like an update because it's an update. I'm saying that V5 is written to expand and broaden the brand, using more modern game design and trimming out a lot of the things that have been consistent complaints in many places about the OWoD such as 4-roll combat or inconsistent and contradictory rules (sometimes within the same rules section, like the infamous Presence 5-Willpower rule). The fact that people are crowing 'V20 PERFECT EDITION' is just an anecdote of 'I get that you (the nebulous you) feel that way, but there are people who don't, and the goal of V5 is to bring in fresh audience and expand the brand, not to create another anniversary edition to cater only to old fans'.

It is also very much a business thing of 'if the thing that is the backbone fails, what level of monetary investment do we continue via other media such as the video game and such'. Look at Disney's response to the lackluster box office for Solo: all side project movies were cancelled indefinitely. And WW, despite being a subsidiary of Paradox, is its own company; they're not going to have the capital to invest in other ventures like the video game or their desire to do a Netflix series, or novels (which is the second most-asked about material) if V5 tanks.

I'm not saying buy it if you hate it. I don't want people to waste their hard-earn money. I'm just pointing out the most likely scenario if it tanks."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847455 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:24:55")

"Of course, none of this is actually going to matter. There are people who haven't bothered to do the barest of research who are still screaming FIRE ZAK S! loudly and publicly, when he hasn't worked for them since the mobile game came out.

It's doomed to fail because of the toxic fandom."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847598 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:35:31")

">>60847233
>It is also very much a business thing of 'if the thing that is the backbone fails, what level of monetary investment do we continue via other media such as the video game and such'

That depends, like with disney/Star Wars, Paradox/WW is a IP company just there to keep the IP in the mind of the consumers. I dont buy for a second that Star Wars movie were shelved indefinetly but instead that heads are rolling people are getting replace and they will revise their strategy.

Same here, paradox could come to their senses and fire Dracula and their whole main team of idiots with little to no experience to brag about. Then fire Hagen and kite (with his weird obsession with "muh government black helicopters). And replace them with a better team. If their goal is to keep the brand alive."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847657 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:40:07")

">>60847455
>It's doomed to fail because of the toxic fandom.

It hasn't stopped OPP from archiving "success" pffft HA HA HA HA HA"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847811 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:50:49")

">>60847598
We all know Disney won't do it 'indefinitely' indefinitely, but until they fix the issues, 'indefinitely' is the word that they used. It's still an apt comparison.

And from what I understand, WW is a subsidiary company and isn't actually managed by Paradox in any manner. I'm sure they could step in if they felt they needed to, but as it's its own company with its own management, I doubt that Paradox has the impetus to."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60847904 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)10:58:53")

">>60847811
>I'm sure they could step in if they felt they needed to, but as it's its own company with its own management, I doubt that Paradox has the impetus to.

From what i got, WW only exist because the owner of paradox is BFF with Dracula and gave the company to him.

I can see them retaking the license and forcing them to close down or "sell"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60848042 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:11:45")

">>60846914
As if anyone makes RPG's like Bloodlines anymore."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==60848086 && dateTime=="07/14/18(Sat)11:15:54")

}
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