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import 4.code.about;

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public void title(){

String fullTitle = "/co/ - Comics & Cartoons";
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public void menu();

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class Thread extends Board{
public void EmptyTitle(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "EmptyTitle";
int postNumber = "104027274";
String image = "DpFRbcFX4AAkAac.jpg";
String date = "11/09/18(Fri)00:21:53";
String comment = "Daily reminder that this is the shit you're looking forward to drawing if you want to work in TV animation.";

}
public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027301 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:25:07")

">>104027274
You'll spend your whole time drawing pigs?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027304 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:25:20" && image=="DqwBDHXU4AAooQz.jpg")

">Hard to draw!
>Think Bruce Timm
>shoes, a shirt collar, and a belt are apparently details"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027333 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:27:51")

">>104027274
Anyone older than a high school junior should be smart enough to realize a future in illustration or animation isn't being paid to draw doodles you want in your underwear."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027448 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:40:28")

"I haven't watched any new cartoons in a while. This looks just like Gravity Falls style but without noses.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027455 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:41:30")

"But what if I get in by the time the new trend rolls in?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027496 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:47:56")

">>104027274
>He's hard to draw!

I love Big City Greens but what? That's some simple stuff."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104027500 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:48:06")

">>104027274
>this is the shit you're looking forward to drawing if you want to work in TV animation.
>"officer keys is hard to draw!"
>hard to draw
Buddy, I wouldn't consider myself a high-quality artist, but if that's what the crew believes is "hard to draw", I'll just finish my work before lunchtime and pretend like I'm hard at work drawing these "incredibly difficult" drawings the rest of the day.
Those poor poor Koreans are gonna die from exhaustion after having to draw this incredibly complex character more than once."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028000 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:36:37")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028225 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:02:39" && image=="improvement.png")

">>104027274
Wow! Thanks OP. I've been trying to draw this character for MONTHS and haven't been able to. I had no idea there was a model sheet, this was super helpful!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028277 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:08:01")

">>104027301
He's coded black so it's fine."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028346 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:18:04")

">>104027274
it may not be the anime I always wanted to make, but it's a far cry better than the look of the silly fucking cartoons from when I was a kid and teenager. I'd rather draw this anyday over danny phantom or fuckin yo yogi
yeah I miss avatar and BTAS but comedyshit has definitely improved, a lot. it's actually funny now"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028362 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:19:33" && image=="ew.png")

"The guide was right, it was very difficult suppressing any amount of common sense or design ethic in order to properly draw this whitebread piece of shit cartoon man.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028419 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:23:52")

">>104028346
>he thinks shit like new gumball, craig, star vs, and teen titans go is funny"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028424 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:24:13")

">>104028000
Draw him doing something fun."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028667 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:52:17")

">>104028424
>a character doing something fun
they don't do that in cartoons these days"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104028941 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)03:37:05" && image=="Rallison.png")

"Come the next decade, this is going to be the shit you're expected to draw.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029138 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:10:03")

">>104028277
I hate that I understand this bullshit lingo."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029139 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:10:09" && image=="bfbfbf.png")

"hire me";


if(guy && title=="" && postNumber==104029152 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:13:35")

">>104027274

drawing designs like that in a fluid and lively way isn't easy. details =/= drawing difficulty.

plenty of people out there who draw the simplest cartoon characters in stiff and crappy ways"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029273 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:34:05")

">>104029152
Retards don't understand that though and think spending 4 hours to draw a single frame that looks good is the challenge"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029317 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:42:42")

">>104029273
>>104029152
Look at Night on Bald Mountain, then look at the shit that's been announced this year as well as anything made in the last half of a decade, and tell me that modern animation isn't low-effort."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029349 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:48:25")

">>104028667
>they don't do that in cartoons these days
they do but people want lore/action for them to notice it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029360 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:50:36")

">>104029317
Negro, that was a theatrical animation bankrolled by fucking Walt "Motherfucker With The Moneybags" Disney"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029375 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:52:44")

">>104029139
Glorious"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029382 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:53:53")

">>104029360
And Cartoon Network is owned by a nearly-as-powerful megacorporation, yet everything they've made after (and including) Adventure Time looks like doodles compared to it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029401 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:57:58")

">>104029382
Hell, A Cat in Paris has simplistic designs also, but doesn't look like garbage unless the majority of American animation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029405 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:59:01")

">>104029401
*unlike"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029410 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:59:58")

">>104029401
i dunno, animation's a bit stiff"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104029513 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:21:52")

">>104029410
At least it's pleasant to look at and not eye-cancer like American pastel-colored trash."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030313 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:53:20")

">>104029317
>Look at Night on Bald Mountain
The expensive thing that bombed and no one liked when it was released? I guess that is what western animation needs. Expensive bombs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030345 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:00:20")

">>104030313
It was an artistic triumph. It's a shame those aren't profitable, I know."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030501 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:28:25")

">>104027274
separating shoes from the pants is not a "detail" it's basic fucking design wtf"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030630 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:46:37")

">>104030501
The millennial mindset: doing your basic fucking job means you went above and beyond. This is what participation trophies and "Everyone is special" horse-cunt morality gets you in society."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030647 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:48:59")

">>104027274
>Another anime does it better thread or something like that
>>>/trash/"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030667 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:51:10")

"Daily reminder that I can't draw and have no idea where to start.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030719 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:58:06")

">>104030630
Cringe"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030729 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:59:46")

">>104027274
Man why can't we just go back to the 2000s era of cartoons?

Fuck this garbage."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030733 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:00:12")

">>104030313

It does, actually. More art, less greed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030748 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:01:52")

">>104030719
>I hate having reality described to me with no filter, so cringey

>>104030729
>Let's go back to Canada being the China of animation"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030765 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:03:25" && image=="4316207-6803580192-tumbl.jpg")

">>104027304
So Bruce Timm?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030780 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:05:06")

">>104030748
>>Let's go back to Canada being the China of animation
You mean right now? Definitely wasn't in the 00s, when Canada made its own shows for Canadians"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030819 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:08:07")

">>104030748
Ok, so the DCAU was made by millennial. You are 100% and you know more that everyone else."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030840 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:11:00")

">>104030780
>when Canada made its own shows for Canadians
And America took them and aired them on its networks because-no-one in America wanted to make animation that wasn't in a movie. How is that the case now? Maybe I don't pay enough attention, but I hardly hear of big mainstream cartoons being made in Canada. There's that pony shit, the Total Drama spin-off and that's it

>>104030819
What are you even trying to say? Use your words, dear."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030858 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:13:49")

">>104030840
You have no idea what you're talking about. Many Canadian cartoons have never been aired in the US at all. Americans really liked absolute shit-tier garbage like Total Drama, 6teen, and horse show."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030882 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:16:01")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104030930 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:20:58")

">>104030858
>Americans really liked absolute shit-tier garbage like Total Drama, 6teen, and horse show.
That's what the fuck I'm talking about. The market demanded Canada's government-mandated programming to air in America and made them, as I put it previously, the China of animation. The only good thing Adventure Time did was make American animation American again."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031021 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:32:05")

">>104030930
You sound dumb."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031057 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:36:32" && image=="50d43f89380cad569cb8af6cd4e84c4c.jpg")

">>104027274
>Is hard to draw
>Hopefully this helps
Holy shit what's wrong with model sheets today, that doesn't tell you anything about how the character should be drawn. I long for the day showrunners actually gave a shit about directing how to draw their characters, pic fucking related"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031069 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:38:40")

">>104031021
Way to go, little guy! You sure bested me in this argument. Here, pass around these gold participation stickers, and I'll get ready to take the entire Special Ed debate team to the best pizzeria in town!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031079 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:39:48")

">>104028941
That's only the future of animation if Youtube manages to bankrupt the rest of the industry."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031083 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:40:43")

">>104027274
I've seen King of the Hill and PPG (original, obviously) model sheets more detailed than this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031119 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:44:31" && image=="e81d822c0de2e20008422be8d7ea6cfa.jpg")

">>104027304
>model sheets today
>today"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031120 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:44:39")

">>104031069
Not that anon, but constantly whining about the low-hanging fruit that is participation rewards shouldn't be appreciated any more than participation awards themselves, anon. You're a low-effort retard.

Understanding why the entertainment industry is struggling so much requires paying at least SOME attention to the changing landscape and economics. The internet has made it a lot harder to earn reliable income from a show, and while cable isn't fully dead yet, it is dying, and this is making networks very risk averse. They're looking for low-budget, formulaic ideas that they can trust and not gamble on, and there's also been a lot of nepotism because the actual western portion of the teams are pretty small. For some especially cheap shows, all the western staff does is writing, character rigging, and story boarding.

If anything, I'd say the fact that you want to blame everything on participation awards is proof that laziness isn't generational."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031130 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:46:08" && image=="5f2774a0dc63013102dd3635d3fda8d8.gif")

">>104031057
You are aware that the guy that made MLATR IS one of the main artists of OP show right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031142 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:47:43")

">>104031057
MLAATR was one of the first shows I remember being awestruck by the science behind the animation models as I began to notice it. I was 15 or 16 when it first aired and and I loved how deliberately non-dimensional the art was at times. I loved the show, not just because it was great, but because every episode revealed more of the animation team's tricks and rules. Jenny's model gave her such a dynamic feel, even when she was just standing there doing nothing. There is a deceptive amount of complexity behind such a simple animation style.

F"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031146 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:48:33")

">>104030313
kek"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031152 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:49:07")

">>104031119
Meant for >>104031057"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031154 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:49:35")

">>104027274
soul
>>104031119
souless"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031158 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:49:52" && image=="1529398936051.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031168 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:51:08")

">>104031130
The retards on this board don't all the artist they love so much work on the cartoons they hate"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031181 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:52:51")

">>104030667
the best way to start drawing is by tracing, that will give your and your hand enough training to keep consistency, trace easy characters like the powerpuff girls and then move to more difficult and detailed ones, this is a basic for kids with learning problems and bad fine motor skills. then you can move to "how to draw" books and that shit, the most basic ones of course. in less than a year you'll be making mad money by drawing porn for the degenerates.
remember, drawing doesn't necessarily requires talent, it's a skill."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031187 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:53:23")

">>104031168
don't know*"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031193 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:54:06")

">>104031119
The MLAATR thing isn't really a model sheet, it's more just like animation notes and tips. Not sure if there's a word for that in the industry. Typically, a "model sheet" is exactly what you've posted; just a breakdown of what the character looks like from every angle so that artists have a singular reference for colors, proportions and details."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031199 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:55:35")

">>104027274
Cool."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031201 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:55:38")

">>104031158
>>104031168
It's like when I clueless guy asks you to draw X

You draw x and gives it to him, and he says "okay, its not good enough, can you change?"

And then you doesn't do ANYTHING to it, but show it again to him and he says "Yes, I really like it now! Good changes""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031221 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:58:27")

">A cartoon character designer's job isn't done when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
>t. Sun Tzu, 1941 CE"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031225 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:59:02")

">>104031181
>the best way to start drawing is by tracing
This. When I was a kid, I learned to draw by copying pictures. I would see a picture of a cartoon character I liked in a book or magazine and I'd just copy it by eye to a sheet of paper. The shitty thing is that a lot of people discouraged that, especially art teachers. They would say that it looked good, but it was a shame that I wasn't using my skill to make my own, original works, but in reality, doing all of that copying gave me a really good feel for what a final product should look like, and also indirectly taught me a number of stylistic choices and methods that I wouldn't have learned otherwise."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031226 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:59:04")

">>104031120
>Makes a participation award joke
>Constantly whining
>>>/trash/

>proves that laziness isn't generational
Do you mean to say that I'm significantly older than my actual age of 21, whilst calling me lazy for focusing on what has become a significant handicap to every industry in the West, if not the entire culture?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031279 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:06:04" && image=="Rise-of-the-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-1000x600.jpg")

">>104031168
Exactly.

Like the fags not knowing that character designers from Venture Brothers working in the designs of Steven Universe or the designers of Samurai Jack working on the new TMNT cartoon."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031319 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:11:31")

">>104031226
Not him, I'm the guy that called you a dumbass. So it seems that YOU are the "participation award" generation and you cry about being born in the wrong generation like a child on an youtube video comment.

I notice that you adressed nothing about the complex problems of the industry that are mostly related to funds, budget and the internet age, and decided to reinforce your cry about "muh culture".

This is what separate a person who cares about animation from a manchild whinning on /co/."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031320 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:11:41" && image=="1457282849300.jpg")

">>104027274
>Officer Keys is hard to draw!
>very simple cartoon character
This is the state of western 2d animation and the ability of it's creators."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031353 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:16:35" && image=="4-Bot_Transformation.0.jpg")

">>104031279
Or not knowing the character designer of Dexter's Lab and original PPG works on TTG as main designer in TTG"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031388 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:20:25")

">>104027274
Would American animation improved if CalArts was burned to the ground? Serious question."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031493 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:31:03")

">>104031225
this, I used to copy and paste Woody Woodpecker and the chipmunks as a child because I liked drawing them so much. Those were fantastic to practice because they had so much movement and shape. Now I can pretty much master any style. You've got to see the relationships between shape and line. The people making shows today have less of that cartoony influence, so everything is much more stiff and blocky. Or just big circles without weight or volume. A lot of these characters don't feel that cohesive as a whole due to this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031541 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:36:05")

">>104031319
>So it seems that YOU are the "participation award" generation and you work hard to overcome it at every turn
Corrected. For reference, I brought up participation awards directly here: >>104030630 and joked about them here: >>104031069. If that's what constitutes, as this person put it >>104031120 "constantly whining," then making whole responses to me means I'm essentially living in your skull for negative amounts of rent. Also, I'm technically a post-millennial, according to the people who call making words up as they go a science, and we seem to be going down the same track. Same dumbass "humor," same entitled bullshit. I'm just lucky enough to be raised by parents with high standards.

>I notice that you adressed (sic) nothing about the complex problems of the industry that are mostly related to funds, budget and the internet age, and decided to reinforce your cry about "muh culture".
The thing is, the participation award crisis is the most important and second easiest thing to fix, the first being the issues with cable--just move your shit to the internet. We can, as a society, stop rewarding dumb cunts for just showing up and doing, in order, jack and shit, and discourage the mentality that sort of coddling creates by actually rewarding people for genuine effort. The thing is, effort is expensive and higher-ups want to cut corners, using the golden-star-sticker generation as their useful idiots. The end result will be what I predicted here: >>104028941"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031572 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:39:08")

">>104031541
In spite of how you think you sound, if you're assumed to be an adult, you come off as one of those really simple rednecks from the backwoods who figures he can summarize society in twenty words or less.

And if we assume you're a teenager, well you sound like a dumb teen.

Either way it's not exactly a worldly or informed aura your creating."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031583 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:40:43")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031637 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:45:42")

">>104031572
>you come off as one of those really simple rednecks from the backwoods who figures he can summarize society in twenty words or less.
Found the millennial.

>And if we assume you're a teenager, well you sound like a dumb teen.
Gen-Z--again, according to those trying to pay for their Sociology degrees--is anyone born after 1995. I'd expand the definition to, "and spawned for an apparent world-wide incest orgy," but the fuck do I know?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031671 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:48:59")

">>104031637
>But what the fuck do I know?
Not much."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031698 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:51:22")

">>104031671
You can say that, but willfully ignoring reality can only get you so far--that being, as far as you can throw yourself with your own two arms."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031707 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:52:04")

">>104031541
>participation award this, participation award that
WHAT participation award? What the fuck are you talking about"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031727 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:54:28")

">>104031353
I didn't knew about it, but it really shows."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031736 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:55:08")

">>104031707
>he said responding to a post that links to, at the time, all two instances where I referenced the subject.
Vanished twins, the lot of you..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031747 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:56:38")

">>104029317
You can't compare theatrical animation to TV animation. Those are on two different boats."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031755 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:57:11")

">>104027274
don't worry

we millenials have become adults

we are the new generation of animators

it is now the time to replace those outdated grey haired old executives and make our ideal cartoons on par with those we used to watch in the 90s"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031760 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:57:51")

">>104031736
>>104031698
Anon, you ARE dumb, and act on the exact same way that you accuse others. You are behaving like a living stereotype of what you hate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031765 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:58:13")

">>104027496
the absolute state of current animation"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031782 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:59:44")

">>104031736
So, it's a shit you invented and want to force"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031806 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:03:05")

">>104031747
>You can't compare theatrical animation to TV animation. Those are on two different boats.
In the West, TV animation >>> "theatrical" animation. Not sure about anime though."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031838 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:06:07")

">>104031736
You're the one who specifically brought up a type of award given to small children as though it were still relevant on into adulthood. To the rest of us it feels like you're copy/pasting a generalized, misanthropic complaint that has nothing to do with the animation industry.

I mean do you earnestly believe that what the entertainment industry really needs is to be more cut-throat than it already notoriously is?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031924 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:13:52")

">>104031747
Granted. You say this like I didn't innately understand that.

>>104031760
>You are behaving like a living stereotype of what you hate.
Those who refuse to acknowledge their own problems will invariably place them onto others, often without knowing it.

>>104031782
It's an issue with society which every second spent not trying to fix it is a wasted minute.

>>104031838
>You're the one who specifically brought up a type of award given to small children as though it were still relevant on into adulthood.
See Western education, particularly in its treatment of "protected bodies," or whatever they're calling now that they weren't until tomorrow.

>I mean do you earnestly believe that what the entertainment industry really needs is to be more cut-throat than it already notoriously is?
See the Oscars, who are in the process of inventing new categories for awards so that films (read: a film) with an all-"protected" cast can win by default."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031952 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:15:46")

">>104031924
>You say this like I didn't innately understand that.
It didn't sound like you did."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104031977 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:18:28")

">>104031924
Alright. Just to play ball with you here. Your grand master plan to save traditional, high-budget animation is to abolish participation awards or any given entity that resembles the nature of a participation award. Such as Oscar awards.

The fact that the Oscars and other Hollywood rewards are fundamentally used for advertising, and that the competition to get such an award is fierce in both action and money-spending...

Explain the financials. Tell me how I fund my high-budget animation by banning awards."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032052 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:26:33")

">>104031952
If I didn't, I'd have no place acting, how you might call, "high and mighty."

>>104031977
>Your grand master plan to save traditional, high-budget animation is to abolish participation awards or any given entity that resembles the nature of a participation award
In part, correct. Absolute meritocracy.

>Such as Oscar awards.
Incorrect. If possible, reform the Oscars and other such awards so that only milestones that have no comparison can even be considered. Then, genuine achievement in a given medium will be recognized and rewarded, filmmakers and their funding entities will wish to create something worthwhile, and best-case scenario, artistic triumph would be seen as profitable. Repeat through all layers of society, as stated above in two words."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032060 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:27:25" && image=="THISSHIT.jpg")

">>104029401
>Simplistic
It's simple."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032112 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:32:28")

">>104032052
>Absolute meritocracy
But this entreats the problem of asking what is meritorious. Who decides? You, an autistic person with less than a surface-level understanding of the industry you wish to judge? Or do we ask an expert, likely to be someone from the industry with ties to it and natural conflicts of interest?

Your plan has a "step one", anon. This is the problem with every misanthropic, idealistic plan to fix the world. I know the Underpants Gnome meme is old now, but this is fucking Underpants Gnome logic. Your plan can't simply be:

1. Fix Oscars.
2. ???
3. Better animation industry.

You haven't even touched on how the Oscars get fixed in a practical fucking manner."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032139 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:36:37" && image=="Flapjack_storyboard_01.jpg")

">it's a /co/ learns again that initial doodles and character sheets are a long ways removed from the final product episode

All this thread is missing is the /a/fag saying anime is clearly superior and they try harder."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032179 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:41:06")

">>104030765
hot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032187 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:41:47" && image=="?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F45%2Ffa%2Fcf%2F45facfa27f288477af06efc079d33e39.jpg&f=1.jpg")

"Daily reminder that there's a difference between simplistic and simple. Art need not be detailed to be visually appealing, it just needs to be skillful and deliberate.

Look at UPA cartoons for a great example of what I'm talking about. They're highly graphic and simple, but they're done by classically trained animators from studios like Warner bros and MGM who had years of experience drawing more complex, anatomical designs, and as such knew what they were doing.

Modern cartoons aren't simple, they're simplistic. It's the difference between Picasso and the chick who made "art" with her vagina"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032208 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:44:01")

">>104032112
>But this entreats the problem of asking what is meritorious.
In short, and admittedly a tad oversimplified, anything that hasn't been done before that creates better, more meaningful and impactful art, as well as rewarding and promoting those who create said art, would be meritorious in an artistic medium.

>You haven't even touched on how the Oscars get fixed in a practical fucking manner.
That's not for me to decide. If it can't be done, then yes, abolish the Oscars through the vote of your attention and wallet. Refuse to watch them and refuse any movie even nominated by them. If it's not broken, don't fix it; if it's unfixable, leave it for the birds."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032324 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:54:53")

">>104032139
that not this thread, OP didn't post a rough story board
its the fact that the character guide calls the simplistic character hard to draw when its incredibly easy. all it demands is having some resemblance to anatomy as apposed to the noodle arms of the average character."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032374 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:00:16")

">>104032208
You are delusional, and really knows nothing about the industry. You talk like a person who never worked on anything."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032415 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:05:30" && image=="cop.png")

">>104028000
Wow, so hard"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032426 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:06:28")

">>104032415
Worse than the ones in OP."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032612 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:25:56" && image=="49A8EFD6-90C1-413B-A054-F4D0E28F3D90.jpg")

">>104027274
>think Bruce Timm
That’s a miscarriage of rubberhose AND Timm

Shitposting aside, the industry just needs people who actually give a shit but are also competent and not random students or internet artists hired by creators for bullshit reasons that reuse art styles/methods because they spent so long using it and don’t bother to show individuality by relearning techniques. Bauhaus design must also be purged as well like that one turbo autist said."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032620 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:26:40" && image=="TeenTitansGo_ChrisBattle_06.jpg")

">>104032187
>this old shit is good because it's old
>this new shit is bad because it's bad
Every time"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032645 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:28:57")

">>104032415
Way to prove his point."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032659 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:30:52")

">>104032612
>Muh bauhaus"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032674 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:32:05")

">>104032415
It looks like shit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032713 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:35:36")

">>104032415
Maybe, just maybe, drawing simple designs well is harder than people think"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032736 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:37:50")

">>104032713
>implying /co/ knows anything about art"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032737 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:37:56" && image=="timm-batman-feat.jpg")

">>104032612
Timm literaly just copy and paste the same body and recolor it, the characters have skin tigh suits, so they don't even have folds which make it easier to recolor.

The body in OP is identical to the bodies of pic related."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032765 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:40:31")

">>104032374
How so? You talk a big game, but what experience in entertainment, or even society at large, have you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032790 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:42:17")

">>104032737
It got so bad that all the male characters has the same bodytipe in Justice League."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032851 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:46:57")

">>104032713
Or maybe a beginner artist isn't a good indicator for whether or not a design is "hard to draw" when it's intended for a team of professionals who shouldn't even need to be told basic things like "think about form"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104032854 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:47:06")

">>104032737
Figuratively."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033015 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:58:13")

">>104032851
>a beginner artist
By today's standards, or by real-world standards?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033133 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:06:37")

">>104033015
By my fucking eyeballs and actual artistic standards that don't involve your Calarts meme."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033137 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:07:01" && image=="12440740_1272592162773570_7838834398568900733_o.png")

">>104027274
>officer keys is hard to draw!
Jesus fucking wept"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033204 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:12:14")

">>104032208
Anon, what I really would like you to understand is that no part of what you're saying follows any source of rational logic, and nor does it display any active problem-solving skills. This is why complaining about the Oscars and participation rewards seems lazy, and ironically comes across as you participating without thinking and expecting to be congratulated for it.

For starters, there's not really anything linking your premise to the animation industry. You're saying society is too soft on people, but you don't really have an argument as to how or why this might be possible. How did participation awards make animation worse? Why doesn't budget and the nature of the hosting platforms play a more significant role? How does getting rid of participation awards actually change the landscape of media in the information age?

Second, even if we accept your theory on the world as true, it's clear you don't have any real sense of how it works. If you think Oscars need to be changed, you can't just say "Well if we can't fix it we should abolish the Oscars!" It ignores why they even exist in the first place - for advertising, basically. The Oscars don't really exist to pin historical developments in film. Awards aren't given for being the first film to make use of a particular lighting technique or software, because being different isn't necessarily the same as being good. If you try to force people to be different arbitrarily, then you'll just wind up with large expenses going towards absurd novelty.

I feel like you really need to step back and examine yourself a little before you start casting stones at all society like this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033207 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:12:17")

">>104031119
dem legs"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033321 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:22:31" && image=="N11-7.jpg")

">>104031493
>>104031225
>>104031181
I’m trying to learn how to draw in general. Started with the Betty Edwards book from /ic/, now I’m just doing flowers, birds, and nature scenes off google.
One thing that really struck me though, is how shitty american art classes are. From Elementary to High school none of the teachers actually taught us anything. How to hold a pencil, shape/color relations, shading, basic perspective.
We worked on a bunch of disparate projects with no overlapping skills, usually just following the instructions given to us rather than working on fundamentals. The classes are full of What to do, but not the Why, or often the How. So my classmates and I learned absolutely nothing. Fuck, I was still drawing the sky as a blue line at the top of the page when I was 9, and only changed because a CLASSMATE told me how to do it properly.
Want to learn? You either need wealthy parents to hire someone who will do what the school is supposed to be doing, or you learn entirely on your own. And learning on your own is hard, it's hard to find advice on anything but general questions and it's very different reading about something and then actually doing it, given how much of art relies on technique. It's discouraging looking at something and not knowing how to represent it, or to look at a finished work and not know what you're doing wrong.
I'm doing a pastel piece on water lilies and fuck me if I can figure out why the colors on my scrap paper are entirely different than what shows up on my actual drawing. Then there's the nightmare of realizing that white lily petals are really just a bunch of gray shades, and now you can't look at the subject picture without it devolving into an indecipherable mess of gray blotches.
It's very frustrating that art teachers who are supposed to, you know, teach you how to do art, discourage a basic technique that can help a lot. Then complain that you, a kid, aren't doing original works no one has taught you how to do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033359 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:25:18")

">>104027274
I think a major factor as to why we seem to be in an era of really basic designs being prominent in every cartoon isn't because a lack of skills found in these generations of artist. But that is what studios want you to produce because it's cheaper. If you make simple enough designs that doesn't take long to produce, that wouldn't be difficult to train new recruits to duplicate, and can be replicated for other shows why not? It just makes sense to do so. I mean Rebecca Sugar is good example look at SU's pilot look at her own art while you might not like her art style you have to admit it's detailed. But it just wouldn't be cost effective to make an animated series that expensive. It'd be harder to get new recruits be able to replicate a more unique style and it would take longer to produce thus costing more. I mean what do you think happened to all the artists that worked on your favorite shows before this current era? Do you think they all just quit the industry. Not there's actually a lot of cross pollination from artist that worked on a bunch distinct classic shows and they all are still working in the industry today. They didn't have to give up their talent card they are still here just making what studios demands. I'm not saying this in defense of that simplified art personally I don't hate it but I'd like to be able to see more diversity in modern day cartoons as well. I think /co/ tend to lay blame a lot on modern artist skills which just isn't true."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033386 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:27:38")

">>104033321
American professional education is for-profit. All the art schools gravitate to the most profitable common denominator, which is to accept as many students as possible at the highest prices possible, and then to move people along through those programs because if you fail them in the first lesson, they won't go on to pay for four more years of classes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033413 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:29:58" && image=="8a3c3cb51ed9a17689c8f84b656ee569fd1acff1_hq.jpg")

">>104033359
SU pilot was great"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033437 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:33:01")

">>104032851
Believe me, you DO wanna be reminded every now and then of things like "think in volumes" because it's very easy to forget and just go "alright, let's just draw some squares and add details" which leads to stuff like this >>104032415"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033442 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:33:27")

">>104031057
Goey Jenny a cute"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033457 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:35:19" && image=="1539218337928.gif")

">>104032139
>anime is clearly superior and they try harder.
You said it not me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033471 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:36:49" && image=="1536538497966.png")

">its another /co/ gets outraged at storyboard/model sheet/shitty pilot/twitter post by literally who despite being fucking clueless about how animation actually works episode
I don't even like Big City Greens and this is pathetic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033482 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:38:03")

">>104033204
>How did participation awards make animation worse?
Again, see every one of old media's attempts to make everything "progressive" look like an artistic triumph, regardless of actual quality.

>How does getting rid of participation awards actually change the landscape of media in the information age?
See my second point here: >>104031541

> If you think Oscars need to be changed, you can't just say "Well if we can't fix it we should abolish the Oscars!"
... with the vote of your wallet. The Oscars, advertising vehicle or no, is still a business. If nobody watched the Oscars, they would disappear, as anything else would in a free market. If nobody watched the sort of movies the Oscars tend to promote, everyone would rightfully see it as pointless. If, however, the Oscars rewarded achievements and ground-breaking artistry, those are the movies that the public would be excited to see, that they don't know they want to see.

>The Oscars don't really exist to pin historical developments in film.
Maybe that's part of the problem. All the Oscars is, is a room full of Hollywood big-names jerking and sucking off other Hollywood big-names, in between getting kids to do it for them.

>Awards aren't given for being the first film to make use of a particular lighting technique or software
Wow, that would be a compelling rebuttal if I said anything even in the same genetic kingdom as that.

>If you try to force people to be different arbitrarily, then you'll just wind up with large expenses going towards absurd novelty.
Again, great words if you're talking to the fucker who said what you're saying I said.

>>104033359
>[It] isn't because a lack of skills
>It's because they reward a lack of skill
Habsburgs. God-damned Habsburgs."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033486 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:38:23")

">>104033457
Anon, this show is disgusting vore fetish. I watched for three episodes and the entire plot was "girl gets eaten by dragon look at all the stomach juices haha".

Granted it DOES look a lot nicer than Super Duper Sumos, Super Drags, or other Western fetish cartoons, so it doesn't disprove anything. I just want you to feel ashamed for your tastes, mainly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033503 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:40:05")

">>104033482
It's clear you're just repeating stuff you saw or heard somewhere, anon.

>All the media is doing this thing!

I mean we can talk about what media is doing, but I feel like I should be directing this conversation to whoever your handler is, because clearly they're the ones forming your opinions."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033514 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:41:27")

">>104033482
>[It] isn't because a lack of skills
>It's because they reward a lack of skill
You are either a kid or really stupid. Probably both."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033529 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:42:24" && image=="1402437868813.jpg")

">>104033486
>I watched for three episodes and the entire plot was "girl gets eaten by dragon look at all the stomach juices haha".
How disgusting. Maybe I should give this show a try to see how disgusting it truly is.
For research of course."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033572 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:45:31")

">>104033529
Imagine a show where for at least three episodes, most of the conflict is "you have to be eaten by this dragon", and then when she's eaten they depict it in graphic detail."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033592 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:46:29")

">>104033486
It was cute, however they should've brought in the other pilots sooner.
>>104033529
He's exaggerating but a few scenes are pretty blatant in their "now let's dissolve the girl's flight suit in all the right places. More blatant when you realize it's not happening to the old lady pilot when given everything we know about this process she should've been dissolved and burnt to shit
>>104033572
>Graphic
It's off screen half the time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033641 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:50:01")

">>104033503
>It's clear you're just repeating stuff you saw or heard somewhere, anon.
Good. That means you've read it before and it hasn't successfully been refuted since.

>>104033514
Your Majesty, Charles II of Spain, you just said here (>>104033359) that the current animation industry rewards simplistic design and discourages detailed works. Please cease before you ask me to dig up your dead family members."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033664 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:52:04")

">>104033641
You don't even know what reward means, stupid kid."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033704 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:55:10")

"I like how /co/ makes up this grandiose fanfiction about the fall of art when in reality the people making the cartoons just happen to like the simpler style";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033751 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:58:11")

">>104033641
>If you read it somewhere, it's true
Retarded ideas can go on being perpetuated for years, even decades. Especially now in the internet era where people can find or fabricate nonsensical data sheets to support any inane opinion they can dream off.

Look, I'd just like to cap this off by explaining the original intent of participation awards: they were supposed to motivate kids. They didn't want children who lost a competition to feel like there was no point, and they wanted the kids to keep trying, so here's a ribbon for trying. However, it seems that participation awards are like rubbing salt in the wound and mainly just frustrate kids, so the biggest argument for stopping them is that they feel more like a spit in the eye than an award.

This has nothing to do with the animation industry, but it's important because the intent of the rewards and the way it impacts the kids is basically opposite to what you think it is."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033755 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:58:25")

">>104033664
Is it akin to training "new recruits to duplicate" a series of glorified doodles, breeding an environment where anything of any definition of edgy is snuffed out before even reaching ignition point?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033761 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:58:35")

">>104033704
Welcome to contemporary art criticism since the literal advent of art."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033775 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:59:40")

">>104033704
It's more like the people paying for the cartoons like the simpler style."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033790 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:00:43" && image=="1511786474958.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033836 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:04:21")

">>104033755
Networks forcing artists to draw simpler shapes instead of using their own styles because that is cheaper isn't a reward you fucking retard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033859 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:05:28" && image=="1539906434542.png")

">>104033761
Difference is that the internet not only gives these retards a platform, it makes them think that their opinions are worth listening to.

Prior to the internet, a critic needed to work to get his opinion heard, meaning that he would be educated and knowledgeable in the field

Nowadays, any empowered idiot can say whatever the fuck they want and have millions of other morons see it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033863 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:05:52")

">>104033437
Yeah, and that guy is a beginner artist. Professionals don't need a sticky note reminder of, "Remember to use forms!"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033890 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:07:46")

">>104033751
>If you read it somewhere, it's true
Habsburg. Inbred, vanished-twin of a Habsburg. If not that, then you are misrepresenting my arguments for your gain. Assuming you are genuinely seven shades of brain-damaged, I'll spell it out for you. If something is repeated to the point of tedium, and you've yet to come up with an argument against it beyond, "laughing-out-loud, pound-sign-retard," maybe--just, kind of, sort of, a little, I-don't-fucking-know maybe--it's something you should take seriously. You. Habsburg.

>>104033836
'Tis, if the reward is in the form of having a show green-lighted or being able to work in the industry longer."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033894 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:08:10")

">>104033859
We didn't originally take it seriously until e-celebs and ad revenue for being an e-celeb was a thing. These days, a lot of impressionable kids see a "reviewer" getting millions of views on an opinion video they made in an afternoon, and the kids think the reviewer knows what he's talking about.

Truth is they just make a lot of videos, and the things they say are just dumb enough to captivate people and keep them on Youtube for longer, so the platform promotes them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033924 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:10:29")

">>104031057
Idk man gooey Jenny looks more appealing and stylistic"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033930 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:10:46" && image=="1491669807322.jpg")

">>104033890
Honestly, kid. I hope some day you think back on posts like this and feel glad the site is anonymous.

And if you're an adult, then it's unfortunate this is as developed as you'll get."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104033988 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:14:27")

">>104033930
>laughing-out-loud, pound-sign-retard
I expected less, believe it or not."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034075 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:20:27" && image=="1468455856930.gif")

">>104033988
"lol" would honestly be better than re-using the phrase "vanishing twin" and "Habsburg". The reason is because on top of being retarded, you're being pretentious about it. It's part of the dead giveaway that tells everyone you read this nonsense somewhere - likely somewhere very specific because neither of those things are common insults.

"Habsburg" is some kind of Jewish reference. Nothing insulting comes up on a quick search result, so I'll guess you picked it from some kind of far-right fringe author. "Vanishing twin" is a medical phenomenon, and again a quick google search doesn't turn up any common sayings regarding the phrase.

So you read something stupid in a very specific place, and now you're regurgitating it here, and it is fucking embarrassing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034319 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:41:17")

">>104033321
>>104033386

>this is just american

Im european and I can tell you the same fucking shit happens in europe. Artclass in schools is fucking garbage. I even did my ... no idea how to describe it, Highschool diploma-specialisation? in Art and basically had to teach myself everything since the art teacher always just went "Okay in these two hours we do a portrait"(Withouth ever having done anything closely related to it before, so everyone just handed in some weird doodle face) and next week "okay in this two hour class we do a landscape"and it was basically just everyone drawing houses like 8 year olds cause fuck if we ever had learned any basics in artclass.

Artclass outisde of private instiutions is a waste of money and time since you dont learn any basics but are just kept busy for two hours"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034396 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:46:45")

">>104027274
Isn’t this the show that one colorful horse fucker boards for?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034460 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:52:49")

">>104034396

wat"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034469 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:53:52")

">>104034460
Popular horse show fanartist. Wanted to fuck the horses. Now works on a Disney show as a boarder."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034502 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:55:56")

">>104034396
It's a guy who worked in Wander and GF"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034505 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:56:07")

">>104034469
>Horse show fan artist
That doesn't narrow it down too well."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034648 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:09:42")

">>104033859
But the rhetoric is ultimately the same, criticism would constantly devolve into the pettiest shit flinging."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034684 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:12:15")

">>104034075
>I searched some of the terms you used
>I couldn't find them anywhere else
>You must have gotten them from somewhere else!
This is what I mean when I call you Habsburgs and vanished twins. And no, the former is not a Jewish reference, but a historical one. Habsburg."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034710 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:14:08")

">>104033486
I'm a vorefag and haven't bothered giving that nip shit a glance. Monster vore is shit.

That said, should I give it a chance?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034711 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:14:10")

">>104034075
>"Habsburg" is some kind of Jewish reference.
Not that other guy but are you genuinely retarded? The Habsburgs were a family of famously inbred European nobility. They ruled over many kingdoms in their times, including Austria and Spain. But their habit of marrying their cousins would be their downfall, as later Hapsburgs were so inbred that they either died shortly after being born, or were so sickly in life that they couldn't reproduce.

He's calling you an inbred moron."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034730 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:15:44")

">>104034711
The fact someone had to spell it out proves the insult true."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034738 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:16:15")

">>104033863
When the goal is consistency, yes it is necessary to give instructions. Every artist/animator draws differently and leaving to do whatever leads to another group of morons complaining about it being off-model."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034822 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:23:19")

">>104034711
I think I glanced over the entry and speed-read "junior" as "Jewish".

It's not hard to tiredly assume you're dealing with /pol/-tier faggotry when you're arguing about whether the animation industry is being corrupted by participation awards."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034847 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:25:03")

">>104034822
/pol/ are the primary beneficiaries of such awards."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034855 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:25:51")

">>104034822
Well your carelessness and assumptions have shown the entire thread that you are in fact an inbred moron."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034867 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:26:52")

">>104034738
"Think about form" aren't instructions. It's about as fucking mundane to tell professional artists as, "Hands have five fingers" or "Use a circle to draw a skull". Imagine you're talking to a background artist and the director hands over some documents explaining what one point perspective is. No shit, the guy would already know that because he has the fucking job."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034876 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:27:45")

">>104034855
He isn't the one invented bullshit like networks rewarding participation"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034899 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:29:03")

">>104034876
Do you unironically think they do that? They don't reward participation, they reward efficiency."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034914 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:30:17")

">>104034876
He's going to insist again that he didn't mean literal participation awards. He's mad about a kind of metaphorical participation award system that apparently all of society has embraced if you squint and look out of only one eye."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034964 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:33:56")

"Is this a WITCHfag vs /co/ thread?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104034973 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:34:17")

">>104034738
>>104034867

Form or lack thereof is self evident. What I would want from a model sheet are measurements and proportions, geometry, motifs, and stylistic pointers. The more abstract the design, the more stylistic pointers I would want.

The more realistic the design, the less instruction I would need, because reality is a widely understood baseline for everyone."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035185 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:50:05")

">>104034964
yes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035291 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:59:03" && image=="DF464D97-45E7-430A-A978-4BAC3794F968-321-000000372729CFD7.jpg")

">>104031057
They still do"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035391 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:07:21")

">>104034914
>An entire generation has grown up thinking they deserve something for existing
>This has no relevance to our lives whatsoever
I'm getting tired of pointing out what teratomas you creatures are."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035444 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:11:51")

">>104035391
Then why don't you keep it to your Facebook where I imagine most of your friends have already unfollowed you?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035563 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:20:04")

">>104035444
>Thinking I'd support Ingsoc"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035575 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:21:03" && image=="149591810364.png")

">>104035563
jesus fucking christ dude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104035756 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:34:04")

">>104035575
... Yes?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104036123 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:00:18")

">>104034319
It's arts & crafts for teenagers is what it is."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104036152 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:01:51")

">>104032415
>Completely missed the entire point of the character sheet
Wow, you're a shit artist"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104036212 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:07:34")

">>104032415
its off model
flat
the anatomy is wrong
there's no depth
try harder"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104036431 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:26:19" && image=="1484700471001.jpg")

">>104034075
>"Habsburg" is some kind of Jewish reference. Nothing insulting comes up on a quick search result, so I'll guess you picked it from some kind of far-right fringe author.
they were the most powerful royal family in all of europe. you only have to pay a glancing attention in history class to know about them as they were involved in all happenings in europe for centuries. they were also notoriously inbred that they started to become retards.
by thinking historical references are /pol/ all you're doing is just making /pol/ look smart by comparison."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104036543 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:34:45")

">>104031279
>>104031168
>>104031353
And some of the best cartoon writers in the past 2 decades wrote for shitty DiC and Filmation shows. What's your point? Are you implying that good artists never occasionally work on bad stuff?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037620 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:55:39" && image=="0e87b42c4be82d9686ccef39e1bbd3b4.jpg")

">>104027274
>think Bruce Timm

Shut the fuck up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037660 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:59:12")

">>104036543
So your point is that all those cartoons are bad?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037661 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:59:15")

">>104031279
>or the designers of Samurai Jack working on the new TMNT cartoon.
But both of these have excellent animation quality and well produced design work."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037708 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:03:47" && image=="tumblr_oiz9iqLAHQ1rc5j9ao1_400.jpg")

">>104032139
>All this thread is missing is the /a/fag saying anime is clearly superior and they try harder.
I mean.

Are they wrong when they say that?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037734 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:05:36")

">>104028225
>that 1st attempt
my sides"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037737 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:05:57")

">>104037708
Yeah. Anime has stronger technique, sure, but the content is the same artificial cliched bullshit they've been doing since the late 70s"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037741 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:06:16")

">>104032620
>Retard completely misses the point once again"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037760 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:07:04")

">>104032620

Not really, Otaku hate both, look at old 2006 Anime forums, see them bitching about Grim adventures of Billy and mandy and kids next Door."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037764 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:07:16")

">>104037737
You could say the same about the western industry and then some, as all industries, that isnt a fair complaint."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037783 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:08:30")

">>104032737
>absolute fucking retard once again misses the point."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037798 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:09:44")

">>104037741
>>104037783
>I don't have an argument so I'm going to call them retard"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037804 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:10:08")

">>104037798
You were presented an argument and ignored it you fucking mongrel."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037842 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:12:29")

">>104037764
Anime is particularly bad about it, mostly because it doesn't make any attempt to hide it, and in fact often revels in it. The loli shows are particularly bad about this shit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037875 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:14:18")

">>104027274
I just changed my passion to comics.
Working out fine so far!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037878 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:14:36")

">>104037804
Old good, new bad isn't an argument, retard"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037881 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:14:38")

">>104033321
>One thing that really struck me though, is how shitty american art classes are. From Elementary to High school none of the teachers actually taught us anything. How to hold a pencil, shape/color relations, shading, basic perspective.
>>104033386
>American professional education is for-profit.
>>104034319
>>Im european and I can tell you the same fucking shit happens in europe

I will be eternally grateful that my my highschool art teacher genuinely cared for me and my chosen career path and personally helped me understand certain things. He even let me borrow his personal copy of How To Draw The Marvel Way as long as i wanted (i ended up buying my own eventually), and even let me read shit from his personal stash for study (like Frank Millers Ronin) and gave personal notes on shit i could improve on a lot.

He also had copies of localized Shonen Jump books in the classroom bookcase."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037896 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:15:53")

">>104037875
I don't know why, put people who use exclamation marks on 4chan piss me off immensely"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037898 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:16:05")

">>104037737
Yeah but the cliched bullshit is in a much wider cast cliche net, because over there animation isn't viewed as exclusively for kids. So you can tackle more subjects, even if they never really change.
It's a shame, because Isle of Dogs was brilliant and imaginative even with its flaws. Imagine what we could see if that stuff was normalized. If we didn't have people constantly using the excuse "It's not for you! You aren't the target audience so you can't criticize! You must be 10 years old or younger to watch, despite the fact that we market it at cons where the main demographic are young to middle aged adults.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037920 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:17:15")

">>104037878
AGAIN. RETARD MISSES THE FUCKING POINT.

It wasnt about "DUH OLD GOOD" it was about the artistic talents that went into understanding what allows simplicity to work, and how to properly put together character design sheets.

The one anon was talking abou the difference between simplicity and being simplistic, how animators who did simple work also did complex work and had a full understanding of complexity so as to fully understand how to simplify shapes and details properly.

You fucking ignored everything he sayed for a meme, retard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037922 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:17:23")

">>104037898
That's not really a thing anymore though. Most adult normies I've met love the fuck out of rick and morty"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037930 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:18:06")

">>104037896
>I don't know why, put people who use exclamation marks on 4chan piss me off immensely
Red hot autism, that's why"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037941 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:19:05")

">>104037920
>sayed
Said.

I just woke up my brain is rattled."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104037962 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:20:09" && image=="1520095345023.jpg")

">>104037881
I'm glad for you anon.
I bitch about the majority of teachers being worthless, but I know that somewhere there are always exceptions, and I'm grateful they exist and help people like you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038006 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:23:18")

">>104031057
Got any more?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038132 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:33:45")

">>104037962
I feel lucky whenever i hear anyone elses school stories, honestly, because a lot of the teachers at my school genuinely were encouraging and cared about the students. It helps i suppose that it wasnt in a city, it was a relatively decently sized suburban/rural community.

Even the Principal was like "its cool you want to do this just make sure you keep up with your other classes cause the state wants me to make sure yo do, you know how it is""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038135 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:33:54")

">>104037922
I wouldn't put R&M on the same level as Isle of Dogs, even ignoring the fact that one is a television show and one is a theatrical release.
R&M is (was before it became drama oriented) a sci-fi show, which is an underrepresented genre, and certainly a sign things are getting better. But it's also a comedy. And a lot of people like it for that, and I fear, accept it only because of that.
I'm not sure how well Ghost in the Shell would do here. Would the mainstream audience like Cowboy Bebop? Ergo Proxy? Baccano? Katanagatari?
Would any of your friends watch Ping Pong: The Animation without incessantly bitching about how the expressive art style "is making my eyes bleed" ?

Unless you're talking about the "you're too old to criticize" thing I typed. Then yeah, it's hopefully fading. But at the same time adult animation here still has the Sausage Party problem where everything has to be crass, rude, and cynical. Which keeps animation considered a thing for immature people in its own way.
And the defense is used constantly to defend shows like She-ra and High Guardian Spice. It's this vicious circle where it's used as an out to not work hard, so what's being worked on winds up not being good, so animation stays a thing for kids, so the only people who make animated shows are the people who don't give a shit. While Isle shows what can happen when we do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038189 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:37:43" && image=="cover-simpsons.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038261 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:43:07" && image=="lf.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038264 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:43:34" && image=="gun.jpg")

">>104037920
>the UPA cartoons were simple but complex and high art!
>flat, stiff designs that doesn't work in complex motion
>modern cartoons are simplistic! Current artists don't what they are doing!
>more complex designs with proper 3/4, side and frontal views that work in motion
>this retarded logic somehow proves modern artists don't have talent
>"modern" artists that also worked in the cartoons /co/ love so much like Dexter and the DCAU
Wow"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038267 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:43:40")

">>104038135
I should clarify, there's a difference between working hard and "working like honorable japanese-san". Where the latter is basically killing yourself to work on a harem anime, and the former is about having a healthy amount of integrity.
I don't want to sound like what >>104032139 was describing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038290 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:44:46")

">>104027274
>Think Bruce Timm

This shouldn’t make me mad, but it does."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038324 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:46:53")

">>104027274
This is maybe one step above Family Guy and this dude is acting like he's giving tips on how to draw an awesome character or something, it's actually pretty funny."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038333 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:47:58")

">>104032139
How the fuck is the OP a doodle? It's not a storyboard. And no, character sheets are not a long ways removed from the final product they're literally guidelines and rules to perfect the final product."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038401 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:52:03")

">>104036543
this. I don't get what any of that is supposed to prove"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038407 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:52:28")

">>104038290
>>104037620
I think this guy believes striking a batman pose is equivalent to drawing an engagingly stylized character.
Which is depressing and expected."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038418 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:53:21")

">>104038264
Why do you keep posting Teen Titans GO as if that has good animation?

Its not especially bad, but its not particularly good either. Its just not dogshit like 90% of all other western animation. The designs? Sure, they look fine, but the animation isnt really anything worth mentioning.

>>the UPA cartoons were simple but complex and high art!
>flat, stiff designs that doesn't work in complex motion
The point wast that the artists behind them werent relying on being simple as a crutch you fucking retard, because they had the experience and skill to know how to do proper, complex, intricate animation

>modern cartoons are simplistic! Current artists don't what they are doing!
>"modern" artists that also worked in the cartoons /co/ love so much like Dexter and the DCAU
They dont. Not as much as the old guard, and thats not idealizing the old guard, its a clear visibile difference in skill. One man working on an animation doesnt mean the storyboarders and other designs besides them have automatically more skill. Genndy Tartakovsky is a rare beast, he isnt the norm.

Guys like Bruce Timm and Shane Glines are still doing fine stuff, but they suffer mainly due to budget constraints.

>more complex designs with proper 3/4, side and frontal views that work in motion
>this retarded logic somehow proves modern artists don't have talent

Superficial aspects of "complexity" dont make things easier or harder for animation. You refer to this in reference to the simple style of the UPA cartoons, which i find hard to understand. Just because its "more complex" in the sense of not being totaly flat doesnt equate to better or worse animation, thats down to skill.

Additionally, the OP model sheet is not a proper model sheet, and the design is in no way "hard to draw" for anyone with even a semblence of skill. Its simplistic in a way that serves as a crutch to hide the faultings of the person who drew it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038456 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:56:02" && image=="76e.jpg")

">>104038407
>I think this guy believes striking a batman pose is equivalent to drawing an engagingly stylized character.
>Which is depressing and expected.

Why is it like this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038489 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:58:00")

">>104029138
I don’t, please explain"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038493 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:58:24")

">>104038264
>modern cartoonists don't understand the difference between simple and simplistic.
>nu uh, this picture's got more complex perspective so you're wrong.
This is you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038532 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:01:31")

">>104038493
Whats funny is also that >>104038264 the perspective on the gun in this is fucking horrific.

The flamethrower is pointing in three different directions based on what part of it you're looking at."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038544 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:02:33")

">>104038493
Ok, so Dexter and PPG were shit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038549 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:02:42" && image=="1533090848648.gif")

">>104027274
My natural stye looks like this. I don't even mean to do it, it's just how I like to draw. Am I fucked /co/?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038562 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:03:43")

">>104038418
>they suffer mainly due to budget constraints
That is every modern cartoon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038572 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:04:28")

">>104038562
Its both. Theres a lack of skill and a lack of budget, resulting in a vicious cycle that reinforces itself leading to worse animation and worse artists working in animation."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038619 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:08:07")

">>104038549
eh, you shouldn't give a shit what /co/ thinks honestly"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038831 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:22:25")

">>104027274
>realistic but simplified anatomy
in what fucking way? the fact that his limbs bend and that's it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038861 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:24:30" && image=="powerpuffmodelsheet10.jpg")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038875 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:25:23")

"This is actually pretty neat to look at.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038897 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:27:07")

">>104038544
Yes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038974 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:31:56")

">>104038831
Why do his arms bend like they have elbows, but his legs are made of rubber."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104038996 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:33:41" && image=="Klonoa realizes the consequences of the real world.png")

"Remember when Disney had standards so high they wouldn't hire anyone who couldn't draw realism? What happened?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039016 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:35:00" && image=="1.jpg")

">>104038831
>>104027274
>Realistic, but simplified anatomy
>has no nose
>has no lips
>has no eyebrows
>four fingers
>eyes are perfectly circular
>no knees
>no elbows
>no indication of shoulders, forearms, calves, traps, or hips
>that fucking bean mouth and its teeth are all over the god damn place and dont conform in any way to any kind of rigid "skull"
>has the audacity to equate itself to Bruce Timm"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039064 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:37:15")

">>104038996
Tv animation isn't movie animation. On tv, being able to draw fast is, and always has been, infinitely more important than being able to draw well.

CG movies have standards just as high, if not higher, than the old 2D animated ones, to the point where they hire people who specialize in fucking leaves"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039094 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:38:58")

">>104038572
I wouldn't say it's worse artists, Rebecca Sugar can draw, it's just none of them put effort in. So they're content to sit in their boundaries of what they believe is reasonable to draw, instead of finding ways to circumvent the limits."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039200 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:45:10" && image=="the-thief-princess-and-the-cobbler-richard-williams-production-cel-43.jpg")

">>104039016
To be fair, you can stylize the face while still having semi-realistc anatomy everywhere else.

Pic related"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039201 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:45:12" && image=="It's Shit.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039216 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:46:00")

">>104039200
Yeah but that comes from a place of fundamentally understanding human anatomy, its bending the rules, not breaking them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039391 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:56:49")

">>104038549
No. This is the bare-minimum. You can only improve.

You've got a chance, anon, unlike the shameless fucks who only get to this point and quit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039431 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:59:56")

">>104031193
I've heard "Dos and Don'ts", King of the Hill had a really good one.

https://imgur.com/a/PiJLk"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039448 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:01:18")

">>104038489
Not that anon, but "coded" is when a character is not clearly defined as [x] but fans will treat them as though they are [x] because they have a lot of traits typically seen in [x].

The biggest example of this is Garnet from Steven Universe. She is an alien rock, yet if you "whitewash" her in fanart the fandom will crucify you because she is coded black."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039903 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:31:06" && image=="Screenshot_2018-11-06-04-27-27-1-2.png")

"";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039906 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:31:12" && image=="big city greens lost episode (real).png")

">>104028424
this counts as fun right"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104039924 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:32:41")

">>104039391
But I like drawing characters without noses and with big, cartoony eyes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040083 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:43:16")

">>104031057
Where you find this at?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040115 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:45:30")

">>104031057
Are there any My little pony ones?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040118 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:45:33")

"/co/ will defend anything

this is the only place in 4chan where you'll see retards defending the Star Wars sequel trilogy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040136 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:46:21")

">>104040118
What fucking dimension did you come from?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040154 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:47:24")

">>104039906
I'd kill to see a cartoon that looked like this on tv."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040218 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:51:43")

">>104035291
Wander Over Yonder's the exception to the rule, I haven't seen any good model sheets for a cartoon except Wander."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040233 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:52:45")

">>104040218
*MODERN cartoon is what I meant oops, But Wander's model sheets are really top tier tbqh"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040267 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:55:52")

">>104040136
The one where people on 4chan defend someone known for doodling as an "animator.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040272 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:56:03")

">>104027274
That looks good, I like that a lot, it's swell."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040314 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:59:04")

">>104033359
This. People like to blame artists and shit for everything. It's just like how it's not the Crewniverse's fault that a new episode of Steven Universe hasn't aired in three months, Cartoon Network is just retarded at airing their programming.
I'm sure there's a whole vault of new eps waiting to be aired, CN just likes their bomb format or whatever."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040335 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:00:25")

">>104040267
So not this one. Got it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040362 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:01:44")

">>104040335
You've been here for zero threads which discussed James Rallison, I see."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040381 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:02:56")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040645 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:19:35")

">>104040314
It's the crewniverse's fault that after all the time they're given, the episodes still suck.
We don't hate the hiatuses as much as we hate how unrewarding they are. Fuck, people wait years for Venture bros."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040675 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:21:24")

">>104040645
t. knows nothing about how animation is produced"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040689 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:22:04")

">>104040645
I don't think you get it. Episodes are literally done and ready to go months before CN actually airs them. The Crewniverse was in the middle of Season fucking 6 last I heard.

Also, Rick and Morty takes a long ass time to make new episodes and Season 3 was complete shit. Time it took to make something doesn't mean it will be good."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104040761 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:26:49")

">>104040645
>We don't hate the hiatuses as much as we hate how unrewarding they are.
Still not really their fault. I don't think it's their decision to have hiatuses lead to fucking filler episodes.
That being said, maybe they could benefit from making less filler episodes but I don't know how far those episodes were in production before this became an issue."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104041081 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:51:40")

">>104040272
>$0.05 added to your Disney bank account"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104041121 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:54:51")

">>104040381
With every interaction, the label of Habsburg grows ever more appropriate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104041132 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)22:55:37")

">>104041121
I'm not even the same dude you turboautist"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104041197 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)23:00:48")

">>104041132
So you're not this person: >>104040381? Why the fuck are you replying, then?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104041226 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)23:03:18")

">>104041081
>Disney bank
Is that a thing?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104043555 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)02:39:51")

">>104034964
>>104035185
>Is this a WITCHfag vs /co/ thread?
Anons... I haven't been able to find a single model sheet for W.I.T.C.H. Barely managed to find a few animatics on YouTube.

It sucks being pretty much the one dedicated fan of a show everyone else seems to shit on, even the company that owns it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104043714 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)03:03:37")

">>104031388
Nope. It’s got nothing to do with that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104043864 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)03:30:26" && image=="Untitled.png")

"A minute in MS Paint. No nose was bothering me.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104043954 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)03:51:33")

">>104043864
>You can literally use free programs made for kids to improve character design in mainstream animation
I'm still waiting for a compelling argument as to how we are not in one of animation's lowest points."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104044969 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)07:51:28")

">>104043864
>No nose was bothering me.
It's also part of the uncanny valley."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045095 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)08:10:23")

">>104043954
>thinking that is an improvement
I'm still waiting for a compelling argument as to how we are not in one of 4chan's lowest points"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045174 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)08:23:13")

">>104027274
I don't even hate this, I find it funny that an animation veteran made it so childish as if to threat its younger new peers like complete retards
like 'aww, you can only draw circle heads, right? Here, let me teach you how to draw something slightly complicated, you stupid retarded child'"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045236 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)08:33:49")

"I wonder what the industry would need for a full rehaul of the the style preferred?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045240 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)08:34:30" && image=="idk.png")

">>104027274
fun to draw but what the fuck are these design choices"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045273 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)08:39:21" && image=="(((REALISTIC))).jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045429 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)08:59:52")

">>104033413
Part of that had to do with Gendy doing animation direction though. He would have been the one responsible for making sure that shit was kept consistent, and not the fucking mess that the show turned into post-pilot."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045665 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:28:04" && image=="ghibli.jpg")

">>104027274
>ugh! drawing is HARD! they didn't told me in art school I would have to draw.
meanwhile in japan"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045678 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:29:23")

">>104045672
Is that line supposed to represent the underside of his jaw? You wouldn't be able to see it from that angle."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045706 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:32:21" && image=="AmericanPolice2018.jpg")

">>104045678
Better? also, misspelled evidence like a retard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045718 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:33:44")

">>104027274
>get paid $40 an hour to draw the easiest shit ever while working on your own stuff on the side and drawing however way you want off the clock
Fuck you that sounds awesome, viva la Calarts era"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045726 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:35:00")

">>104045706
Looks better than artists from the show could do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045748 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:38:29")

">>104045236
The next Adventure Time"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045784 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:42:40")

"Who gives a shit, all of you will just pirate it off youtube/rarbg/kisscartoon anyway.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045826 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:48:29" && image=="1528210336807.png")

"Holly shit, why /co/ knows so little about design, animation and the industry in general?

A bunch of retarded people who have no idea about what they are criticizing, but like to pretend that they are specialists. You faggots are crying because of the Bruce Timm thing, when the pic on OP is actualy right about that. It's just that a modern cartoon being compared to a cartoon that you like trigger you.

Bunch of casuals."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104045921 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)09:59:27" && image=="1516589762732.png")

">>104045826
>he is nit only a industry nigger but also a Habsburg
>i-it's complex guys! It look like Bruce Timm guys!

I can see that you got your participation awards in art. Worse yet, I imagine that the reaction face that you posted is your "profissional" work right?

I'm not surprised that you defend the current industry, you are unskilled and draw shit because you are an ignorant talentless moron. You claim to known the industry and art, but clearly can't draw or apreciate art yourself."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104046028 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)10:10:37" && image=="1512124545652.png")

">>104045921
>the "participation award" kid is still shitposting"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104046449 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)10:58:35" && image=="1515981316223.jpg")

">>104046028
Not only that, he is shitting and sperging over fucking Alex Coolgrave, calling him unskilled and telentless. He just proves what I said about not knowing the industry or animation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b26iN-j8RaQ"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104046790 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:28:03")

">>104045095
>Adding a nose to a noseless face
>Not an improvement
Unless the character is a fish or a war vet, there is no excuse to omitting such an obvious facial detail.

>>104046028
Too funny, I said wishing either I or everyone on this board became Joe Bonham. No, that person (>>104045921) is not me, it's just someone who knows what they're talking about."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104046936 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:35:43")

">>104046790
>gets caught bulshitting on Coolgrave while pretending to known what he is talking about
>n-no it's not me! It's just somebody that agree and speak like me and is right!


>Unless the character is a fish or a war vet, there is no excuse to omitting such an obvious facial detail.

Are you autistic? If the artist don't want to draw a nose, he can just not draw a nose."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104046951 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:36:47" && image=="Powerpuff_girls.0.0.jpg")

">>104046936
Pic related"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047016 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:39:52")

">>104045921
>he is nit only a industry nigger but also a Habsburg
I say this in complete sincerity: get an MRI."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047037 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:40:37")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047112 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:44:41")

">>104046790
By your logic mandy is a bad design. Fucking retard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047141 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:45:48" && image=="Habsburg.png")

">>104046936
>>104046951
>If someone wants to create a sci-fi universe full of fish people, while calling them human and setting in our modern day, what's stopping them?
True. It's still lazy design. Your characters are humans, draw them that way.

>>104047016
I legitimately didn't notice him using the word "Habsburg." He's either mocking me, or I have a greater influence than I anticipated"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047161 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:47:12")

">>104047112
>You say, thinking this was a successful argumentum ad absurdum"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047171 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:47:37" && image=="x720-bCq.jpg")

">>104046790
There is something called stylization, you brainlet"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047193 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:48:49")

">>104047141
>>104047161
You sound like a 12 years old."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047206 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:49:44" && image=="Jenny_XJ9.png")

">>104047141
>>104047161

>It's still lazy design.
Are you retarded? How not drawing noses on your character because you liked that aestethic make it "lazier"?

Faggot, you are confusing "things that I don't like" with "I'm objectively right". Prove me wrong."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047277 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:53:34")

">>104047171
>stylization
I'm sure 12 Oz. Mouse and Angela Anaconda were "stylized" as well.

>>104047193
>laughing-out-loud, pound-sign-retard

>>104047206
>You can draw human characters with non-human anatomy
>As an example, look at this non-human character!
Vanished. Cunting. Twin."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047281 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:53:40")

">>104047206
To be fair, Jenny is a fucking robot.
As far as I remember all the other characters had noses"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047329 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:56:27")

">>104047277
>I'm sure 12 Oz. Mouse and Angela Anaconda were "stylized" as well.
You should be sure because they absolutely fucking were."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047330 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:56:27")

">>104027301
>When there's 300 replies and no one took your shitty bait
Lmao fail"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047349 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:57:14" && image=="the-oblongs.jpg")

">>104047277
My dude, it's called fucking cartooning"
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if(guy && title=="" && postNumber==104047361 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:57:54")

">>104047277

you sound deranged man lol

is it really so important that you prove you're better than animators working in the industry while you live your lazy life doing nothing anyone cares about"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047372 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:58:17")

">>104047277
>Vanished. Cunting. Twin.
The dude you were arguing with at first is long gone you moron"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047404 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)11:59:27")

">>104047361
To be fair, you're in the same boat.
We all are."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047423 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:00:45")

">>104047329
Does it mean those styles were good?

>>104047349
It's also called representational art. If you're representing humans, draw a human face. A whole human face, with a whole human body, unless it's story about a war vet.

>>104047372
>Insults can only apply to to one person!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047515 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:05:34")

">>104047423
Okay let's drop the bit, I'm genuinely curious what you get out of this.
Like this is really specific shitposting, did you plan on doing this or did you just go where the thread took you and thought you'd just be doing your average shit on new mediocre cartoons bit? What do you get out of shitposting past a diversion? Because I know you're not being serious, you're just trying to get a rise out of anons too uptight to just let ignorance go by no matter how facetious. But is that really it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047519 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:05:59")

">>104047423
By your logic the only acceptable art style is realism"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047540 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:07:07")

">>104047515
I think he's legit autistic. Only autismos reference obscure shit and then expect you to get the reference"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047547 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:07:15" && image=="girl-before-a-mirror.jpg")

">Simplified face

>Think Picasso"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047628 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:11:05")

">>104047515
>I know you're not being serious
And I knew Adventure Time would've only lasted three seasons.

>>104047519
I'm just saying, and I sense that I'm repeating myself more often than necessary, if you want to draw a human, draw a human.

>>104047540
>laughing-out-loud, pound-sign-retard"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047694 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:14:29")

">>104047540
Nah, he's clearly not genuine. This is just shitposting because people will respond but I keep wondering if there's something more to it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104047738 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)12:16:13")

">>104047694
>Everyone who holds standards higher than my own must be playing a game with me
How exactly did you make it to adulthood?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049139 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)13:25:40")

">>104045748
>The next thing to "save" animation
>Will really just make it worse for everyone"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049471 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)13:45:47" && image=="149395827559.jpg")

">>104049139
Adventure Time didn't ruin anything. It was simply part of a cycle that was guaranteed to happen

Look back to the late 90s/2000s UPA influenced style and you'll see the same thing; we start off with amazing shows like the Powerpuff Girls, but we eventually decline to the point where we're stuck with shit like Johnny Test.

Stagnation inevitably leads to decay, which eventually causes talented people to rebel against the status quo by creating new, innovative and creative works. These new works become influential, starting a trend, and the cycle starts all over again

Animation's been like this ever since it became mainstream back in the late 20s, and it's going to continue to be like this until the end of time. There's not much you can do about it besides taking comfort in knowing that things will get better soon"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049577 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)13:51:48")

">>104049471
>It was part of a cycle where something good influences things that end up being bad
But we're not talking about anything good, we're talking about Adventure Time

>Adventure Time didn't ruin anything.
See every American cartoon that started this decade."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049654 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)13:55:57")

">>104033924
agreed"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049765 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:02:09" && image=="Mbuuo3F.jpg")

">>104032620
>Those stiff poses
>good"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049793 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:03:52")

">>104027274
>oh no animation is super edgy realistic
>muh calarts
>if only they hired me, I'd draw so much better"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049827 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:06:05" && image=="1516648133282.jpg")

">>104049765
>no speed lines = stiff
Every weeb ever"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049836 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:06:49")

">>104049577
>See every American cartoon that started this decade.
Name one thing that Adventure Time did that wasn't already done by Flapjack, Avatar, or Spongebob"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049915 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:11:16")

">>104031168
>>104031279

>everything an artist does is automatically good based on the virtue of them having worked on something good in the past
>artists switching between entirely different crews will have no impact on what they make
>character artist don't have to design things based on the parameters others decide"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104049945 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:12:37")

">>104049577
You only hate adventure time because everything else imitated it. It was considered the savior of western animation when it first came out"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104050017 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:17:03")

">>104049827
>A character's back should be perpendicular when they throw a massive punch

Every crap artist ever"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104050126 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:23:58")

">>104040115
I unironically want them, because I realize I've never seen them before.

not a brony tho, don't get mad"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104050494 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)14:44:06")

">>104050017
It's not a physical arm. It's a magical projection."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104050968 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:09:10" && image=="punches.png")

">>104049827
jesus christ shut the fuck up

punches should be thrown from more than just the arm and good animation has an understanding of that motion"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051080 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:14:44")

">>104039448
Shut your dumbass up. When the show first came out, 4chan was calling her the black/nigga gem and then when she became people's favorite suddenly RaCE diDN't ApPPLy to HeR BecAusE ShE's a SpaCE ROcK"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051127 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:17:14")

">>104051080
Anon those people never stopped calling her a nigger gem"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051179 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:20:23")

">>104049836
Try the cunting art style, you precambrian.

>>104049945
I hate Adventure Time because the art was shit, the humor was juvenile, and whenever the writers thought they were serious, it just looked like they forgot they weren't working with Hideaki Anno. Not that it would've been better if they did, mind. It's a show that failed at everything an animated series tries to do, and it only succeeded because Cartoon Network was about to give up their namesake the year previous."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051181 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:20:25")

">>104050968
You are right but you are ignoring her fight style and her powers. She just stand still and uses her magic limbs to attack. That is what she does."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051212 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:22:04")

">>104050968
The correction here is actually worse. Raven's punches are magic, she doesn't need to move her body at all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051240 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:23:42" && image=="0a7fe3a47423dbe80034c3ec33c0f0f0.jpg")

">>104049827
>no speed lines = stiff
>Every weeb ever
Tell me about it.

>>104050968
Smear that motion, bitch."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051323 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:28:43")

">>104051212
>>104051181
are you serious
it would be fine if she were just standing and using magic like how she usually does, but she is ACTIVELY punching here. supplemented by her magic, sure, but her motions and poses suggest and should still follow basic motions for throwing a punch

like you could argue that she never throws a punch and doesnt know how (which would be fucking stupid beyond reason for someone that is constantly at threat for getting into melees) but even an amateur throwing a punch would still have their shoulder flow into a punch. its impossible to have your shoulder back like that while extending your arm forward and is just bad
dont make excuses for it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051347 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:30:20")

">>104051240
not sure im allowed because last time i did, speed lines, smears, and common animation exaggerations were apparently illegal to use and i got chewed out for it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051375 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:32:06")

">>104051212
But the implication is obviously an emotional psuedophysical punch.
Raven could just manifest a fist but she took the time to make an extension of arm and mime the emotion.
Ultimately Raven doesn't NEED to have proper form or anything but the correction is definitely an improvement because the dynamism adds to the action."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051426 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:35:00" && image=="Raven vs Ravager.webm")

">>104050968
>who the fuck punches like this?
A magician? Not every character is a shonen fighter"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051472 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:37:47")

">OLD THING GOOD
>NEW THING BAD

I took "hard to draw" as, "hard to draw right to meet the standards I/the committee has set".

>inb4 witty, callous greentexting of the word 'standards'"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051503 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:39:02")

">>104051472
Leaving Old thing out of this, New thing is pretty bad."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051596 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:43:49")

">>104051323
You are still ignoring how she fight. She isn't actually punching. She is throwing a magical projection like this >>104051426"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051712 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:49:46")

">>104051426
>>104051596
i stated my case for why it should be more dyamic instead of static, which should always be the case for animation especially fight animations
if youre fine with using the magician excuse, so be it. we can agree to disagree on what is more appropriate"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051788 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:53:54")

">>104051712
To be fair given the actual context of the last pose, it makes more sense since she's basically just pointing and extending not actually punching.
The first two not so much since there's a load and throw rather than just extendofisting."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051794 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:54:08")

">>104051712
I'm on your side anon, Why so many idiots are using "Magic" as an excuse is so goddamn retarded.

It's no wonder why shitty animation is so prevalent these days with some many people defending just plain boring artwork."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051820 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:55:27")

"Is there a more pretentious thread on /co/ right now?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051825 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:56:00")

">>104051712
>>104051794

Anon, its literaly a punch shaped pillar, not an actual punch. Its not suppused to have a curve.

Look at the end of the fight here >>104051426 when Rose ACTUALY punches, and she has a proper curvature."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051843 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:57:02")

">>104051825
The point is that aesthetic appeal is more important"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051861 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:57:53")

">>104051712
>>104051794
>character is a magician using an arm shaped energy beam
>jobs to an actual melee fighter
>somehow talking about magic is an excuse
Really?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051880 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)15:59:10")

">>104051843
But you are not changing aestethic, you are changing what the attack is SUPPUSED to be."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051897 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:00:06")

">>104051880
Who cares what it's suppused to be? It's fucking TTG"
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if(guy && title=="" && postNumber==104051916 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:01:16")

">>104051843

an artist who makes things 'aesthetically appealing' by drawing the same things every time is a dumbass artist

you should draw unique attributes of the characters you're illustrating, or the art is boring and impactless."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051955 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:03:45")

">>104051897
You are not making an argument here mate, this is just deflection."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104051994 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:06:33")

">>104051861
>>104051825
its magic and can be anything she wants to do blunt damage. turning it into a fist and doing wind-ups for a punch, the logic follows that she should enact the same followthrough that a punch has.

even then, its fucking ANIMATION. exaggeration and making appealing poses and motions is paramount. fucking static shit like that is only good if you're really emphasizing a magician not needing to move to do their attacks, but raven obviously is emoting and acting her attacks
its a lame excuse and you guys are trying to settle for less"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052040 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:08:37")

">>104051916
>Following certain guidelines and rules that traditionally work is the same exact thing and context doesn't exist"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052069 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:09:41")

">>104051820
>Having high standards makes you pretentious
Go join the military and have a grenade go off just close enough to rip off all of your limbs and sensory organs, but keep you alive."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052315 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:20:58")

">>104051994
Anon, the entire point was the attack being a pillar that could be climbed, numerous other attacks that follower up had a curved arch to express motion. You are just being obtuse at this point."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052339 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:22:29")

">>104052069
You should go back and take your meds"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052432 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:27:03")

">>104052339
>le go back mayme"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052442 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:27:28")

">>104052339
>laughing-out-loud, pound-sign-retard"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052444 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:27:37" && image=="Raven.webm")

">>104051994
So, every character should fight like an over the top anime character?
>you guys are trying to settle for less
I'm just acepting that Raven has a static style. It fits her character. There is nothing wrong with that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052513 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:30:47")

">>104052442
Can you please explain what that means? You've been saying it this whole thread but I don't get it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052537 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:31:33")

">>104052444
Trips confirm.

It's pretty easy to read the thread and tell the peoplewho actualy understand animation and the industry, and the posers&outragefags."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052589 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:34:24")

">>104052513
It's what you mean when you attempt to insult my intelligence out of fear of losing the debate."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052606 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:35:08")

">>104052444
raven has a motionless style most of the time, but when you attach extendo limbs on top of your own and do the motions, logic follows that you do the fucking motions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052626 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:36:21")

">>104052589
What?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052667 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:38:17" && image=="Steven Universe.gif")

"Is Steven Universe a show with good animation?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052683 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:38:50")

">>104052589
Have you considered that you are just a dumb autistic kid and the people insulting you are right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052687 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:38:59")

">>104052667
At times yes at times no."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052832 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:45:53")

">>104052683
>>104052626
When you call me autistic, or stupid, or say that I'm skipping my meds, all it is is you showing fear that I'm right, and with nothing to say, you use unthinking, mindless insults like the drones you are. Therefore, I took the liberty of condensing the phenomenon into a short phrase of social media Newspeak--one part translated into English, the other transliterated as it would be spoken in English--to mock your pitiful attempt to make me lose ground.

>>104052667
The same way Chuck E. Cheese has good food."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052880 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:47:34")

">>104047281
to be fair, you are a fucking robot

shut the fuck up you rubber incel"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052887 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:48:00")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052919 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:49:39")

">>104052832
No, we're calling you stupid and autistic because you're fucking stupid and autistic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104052921 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:49:45")

">>104027301
Cмepть мycopaм"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053060 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:55:32")

">>104052919
Name-calling is the lowest form of argumentation, by friend. At least take the five minutes you were going to spend high on paint fumes telling me why you think this, assuming you are capable of both thinking and articulating your thoughts. I'll be generous and say you can do at least one at a time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053129 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)16:58:37")

">>104052887
thanks for proving my point, faggot"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053173 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:00:00")

">>104031119
>gums"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053228 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:01:56")

">>104053060
yikes, faggot alert"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053278 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:04:12")

">>104053129
See the comment made not five minutes before your own, directly above it.

>>104053228
>laughing-out-loud, pound-sign-retard
In another context, having so many of the exact same card would be thought of as cheating."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053507 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:12:37" && image=="1539768784291.jpg")

">art discussion thread
/co/ help me,
I love 3D modeling + animation, but I hate having to go through mastering drawing first. My drawings aren't complete beginner, but they're not good either.
how the fuck do I deal with it besides "Do it so you can make good 3D"?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053624 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:16:56")

">>104053507
Do what no-one in the modern animation industry is doing: try to get better."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053687 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:19:33")

"Yo what up, it's Chris from Big City Greens. I know showrunners "aren't supposed to come to 4chan and comment" but...

I'm not sure what the take-away is about this guide-to I drew other than it sucks so lemme explain. I drew it to help the storyboard artists who work incredibly long hours and have to wear 10 different hats. Most importantly, Shane and I want them to focus on story and funny jokes. I don't care about making beautiful-moving animation if it's boring. I wish we could do both but there's only so much time and money.

Every show has different priorities. Our priority is funny. We want BCG to be entertaining. That's it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053751 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:21:39")

">>104053687
Bull."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104053996 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:30:33")

">>104053687
>It's meant to be funny, so who cares if my crew can only draw people who lost part of their face in battle?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054052 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:32:30")

">>104053996
Nobody cares about your autistic fixation on noses dude."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054228 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:38:21")

">>104054052
>Asking that humans be drawn as humans means you're obsessed with facial features
If doing your fucking job is too much to ask, then yes, I was warranted in bringing focus to the blight of the age known as the participation trophy. I'm amazing you're able to get any kind of job. In my parents' day, people with this mindset were doing meth in tents and calling it a protest."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054262 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:39:33")

">>104054228
Yes, I meat to type, "It's amazing," yes, I neglected to proofread."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054401 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:44:34" && image=="1508891729744.jpg")

">>104053687
I'd believe this post. It sounds just generic enough to be legit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054598 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:52:18")

">>104053687
Hey Chris, just wanted to tell you the whole family loves your show. I wanted you to know that because I probably would never reach you on Twitter. I love that your show is funny and wholesome.

>Most importantly, Shane and I want them to focus on story and funny jokes. I don't care about making beautiful-moving animation if it's boring.

That's understandable. A show like BCG doesn't need beautiful animation set pieces. I just bitch about it because every network seems to have the same styles nowadays.

It's cool to see actual creators lurk here among us, keep being funny guys."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054619 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)17:53:07")

">>104054401
>He sounds just enough like an NPC to be someone working in animation"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104054889 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)18:06:55")

">>104052069
Nah, you seem pretty goddamn pretentious to go to this length to rant over a medium a majority of people consider disposable. Most people get into cartoons because there is nothing wrong with making people laugh."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104055863 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)19:01:03")

">>104054228
Fuck off you loud chuckling number sign moron

>>104054889
This. Cartoons are supposed to be fun, and on tv can't really afford to be anything else"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104055991 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)19:07:18")

">>104053687
>I wish we could do both but there's only so much time and money.
Not sure if it's actually you or not, but even if it isn't, you make a very good point there

I've actually worked in animation before, and from what I've seen, this is a very real consideration. Ren and stimpy, for example, tried to have it both ways, and it fell apart at the seams"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104056148 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)19:14:48")

"Chris again- our whole team (and our overseas studios) work hard to make the show look as good as it does. It ain't easy. Do I wish the actual animation looked better? Sure! Everyone does!

I'm amazed at what OK KO has pulled off with their pipeline. Gumball looks amazing- an in-house animation team makes a world of difference (I believe Foster's had an in-house animation team) I wish we had a layout team. They're now basically extinct in TV animation. It's now the board artists job (along with like 10 other responsibilities). Be nice to board artists.

I even looked into trying to get product placement in BCG in order to raise funds from a third party for a layout team. But FCC doesn't allow this.

Anywho please don't dox me. Please DO tell amid I was here so he can write some scandalous article on CB"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104056305 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)19:23:50")

">>104056148
Amid BTFO"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104056993 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:01:13")

">>104054889
>a medium a majority of people consider disposable
And you know why that is? I'd give you a hint, but I'm worried you'd construe it to be one for the whereabouts of Jimmy Hoffa.

>>104055863
>Fuck off you loud chuckling number sign moron
>It thinks it knows how to mock

>>104056148
>our whole team (and our overseas studios) work hard to make the show look as good as it does
Maybe try working on getting it to look good, then work your way up to "as it does.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104057219 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:12:02")

">>104052832
>The same way Suckee Cheese's has good food.

That means NO. Too bad OK K.O. is so much worse off."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104057785 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:41:57")

">>104054598
Thanks dude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104057842 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:44:12")

">>104056993
>Jimmy Hoffa.
Literally who?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104057861 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:45:14")

">>104052832
>>104057219
samefag and also possibly underage"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104057882 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:46:13" && image=="28DC92AD-F15C-4E92-9AB8-EE1546D29E50.jpg")

">>104031057
>>104035291
>Alex Kirwan was art director on both MLaaTR AND Wander Over Yonder
NO FUCKING WONDER"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104057988 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:51:02" && image=="C865FB1B-7B2E-4FDB-A62D-D1FE52174978.png")

">>104031130
Supervising Producer/Co-Executive Producer ≠ Creator

One should instead question why Chris Houghton (the main influencer of BCG’s style) used extremely simplified designs for the show despite his more charming work on Reed Gunther."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104058086 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:56:09")

">>104027274

Why do they supposedly care about simplified animation when they're going to be outsourcing it to fucking Korea anyway? And why is it that all of a sudden this is "the only viable style" in terms of time when old cartoons with a regular broadcast schedule had not only more complex animation but also shitloads of episodes per season? Sunbow was better than this modern puke.

Hell, why not make CG shows with cartoon textures? The Stormhawks looked quite decent. And when the japs do it, people frequently can't even tell it's CG unless the framerate is low. 3D offers consistency, faster work and reusable assets. And yet we're stuck with this inhuman abomination of a style where every show is the same old ugly shit. This isn't about efficiency. Somebody is enforcing this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104058129 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)20:57:53")

">>104058086
>I know nothing about anything but I have strong opinions on everything"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104058307 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)21:05:06" && image=="1892D29E-963D-4E04-940D-B0B572B20245.jpg")

">>104053687
>>104056148
Share an original doodle on the spot if we’re to believe it’s really you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104058369 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)21:07:19")

">>104058129

I have been enlightened by your arguments, proof, and vast amounts of inside knowledge that you provided me on animation. I am now convinced that old cartoons were impossible and never happened, and that Thin Line artists are the unsung heroes of western civilization, slaving away for my ungreatful ass. I am going to marathon Steven and Star vs. so I can truly appreciate them now that I am not angry over nothing and entitled. Thank you, anon. You are a giant among men.
By which I mean you are a colossal faggot."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104059658 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)21:50:32")

">>104052832
>The same way Chuck E. Cheese has good food.
fuck you, their pizza is good."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104059764 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)21:53:39")

">>104053507
>how the fuck do I deal with it besides "Do it so you can make good 3D"?
Easy. "Do it so you can be a better artist."
Don't focus on one specific area you want to jump into immediately.
You have to have a good foundation before you can make truly amazing things.

What is animation without good posing or perspective?

What is 3D modelling without good proportion or design sense?

Learning the basic stuff is CRUCIAL if you ever want to make high quality art."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104059795 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)21:54:25" && image=="01616E58-3131-419D-A328-BADCB3239818.gif")

">>104059658
>Chuck E. Cheese’s pizza is good
I’ll be honest, though; I only ever went to Chuck E. Cheese’s maybe once YEARS ago, so anything I know about the chain comes from employees’ horror stories and any TV parodies. Is their pizza actually good? I’m genuinely asking here."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104060082 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)22:02:49")

">>104058307
Anon wont deliver"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104061520 && dateTime=="11/10/18(Sat)22:49:19")

"I wonder how much more animation is going to devolve";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==104065235 && dateTime=="11/11/18(Sun)00:53:45")

">>104058369
>he reads tvtropes
oof"
;


}
}