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public void WhydidchristiansthinkthatD&Dandotherrpg'sweredevilworship?(OP Anonymous){

String fullTitle = "Why did christians think that D&D and other rpg's were devil worship?";
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String comment = "I never played board games as a kid, but I heard there were complaints about role playing games that they were devil worship or something? Why did Christians believe that?";

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905361 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:27:07")

">>62905286
It had devils which was too real for good Christians. I couldn't understand it at the time either. Best guess it's like the repressed conservatives convinced everyone will catch the gay if it's not condemned, except in this case it was devil worship.

t. lived through those dark days"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905364 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:27:46")

"In the tail end of the 70s, some kid, James Dallas Egbert III, committed suicide. The detective erroneously attributed him getting lost in some underground tunnels as being related to a LARP. Some asshole decided to sell a fictionalized version of events as "Monsters and Mazes".
People like to blame tragedies on anything but themselves. D&D was the scapegoat and there wasn't an internet around to fact check. If your pastor, based on what he saw in a movie, said that the D&D books had actual, written instructions on how to summon demons, and you didn't have access to a book to check yourself, you believed it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905385 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:29:51")

"Because some people think that the best way to get rid of the devil is to act like he doesn't exist.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905420 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:33:23")

"Found on the Wikipedia article on the subject:

>In 1987 two pastors, Peter Leithart and George Grant, published a book The Catechism of the New Age: A Response to Dungeons and Dragons. Joseph P. Laycock wrote that their book condemned role-playing as allowing too much freedom, which the authors regard as a gateway to critical thinking which in turn may result in heretical thought.

Typical anti-intellectualism courtesy of theology."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905432 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:34:12")

">>62905286
Because d&d has a lot of voice acting things like spells, devils, pacts and talk about pagan gods. Christianity teaches that our words can count as binding under certain circumstances, so regardless of whether someone is attempting to do something occult demons can take what they say as legal permission to interfere with them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905438 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:34:23" && image=="1308291910624.jpg")

"The "60 Minutes" special on D&D in '85.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yShqF1YSfDs

Further proof that nobody on /tg/ actually games, or knows anything about them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905446 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:35:14")

">>62905420
I've literally never heard that one and no one who thinks D&D is evil has ever referenced it or anything like it in front of me or to me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905455 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:36:05" && image=="blackleaf.png")

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905507 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:40:58")

">>62905286
It was just American protestants."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905559 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:45:58")

">>62905446
Ah, I see. It must not be true if YOU'VE never heard of it. Surely this book, which turns up with a cursory Amazon glance, must not exist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905571 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:47:06")

">>62905286
It had demons and magic and non-Christian gods in it. Worse, it presented the magic and the gods as morally neutral or even benevolent. Seriously, that's all it takes for the American fundy crowd."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905596 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:49:45")

">>62905455

BLACK LEAF

NOOOOO"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905607 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:50:26")

">>62905438
Is this the sole cause? Weren't Christians YEETing on everything in that era? Pokemon, yugioh, Heavy Metal, and then ten years later the hippity hop music was also attacked by both Christians and the new wave of 90s soccer moms? So did 60 minutes decide what got hated or did people hate and then 60m started helping"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905624 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:51:31")

">>62905286
Mostly because it is in a setting where the gods are similair to pagan gods. And in the mind of a christian, paganims is satanism."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905640 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:52:38" && image=="is-that-a-monkey.jpg")

"Anything above a certain threshold of fun is automatically evil to some people.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905660 && dateTime=="11/07/18(Wed)23:54:04")

">>62905607
People were already up in arms years before the 60 Minutes. Mazes and Monsters, the made-for-TV movie came out in '82."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905785 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)00:05:11" && image=="Z7HeRxU.png")

">>62905286
Parents were watching their kids have fun doing something new and unfamiliar and thus scary to them. Like how rock n roll was 'the Devil's music'"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905855 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)00:11:22")

">>62905286
The covers often had violent or demonic imagery. And parents in the 80s couldn't distinguish from in-character or out-of-character, so they thought the kids couldn't do it either. So if your kid said "My cleric of Bane made a deal with a demon so we could kill all those goblins and take their treasure," you would start thinking literally."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905876 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)00:13:30")

">>62905855
They also used the same arguments used against FPSes today: "Acting something out is different from watching someone do it, and builds violent habits.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62905906 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)00:16:37")

">>62905286
why do Rainbow Warriors nowadays believe anyone not offering praise to their stance is a nazi and a rapist / racist?

stupid people do stupid things"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62906177 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)00:45:37")

">>62905906
Did you have to bring in your witty jab about modern politics to an unrelated thread when you could have just said the spoiler"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62908005 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)03:42:04")

">>62905286
>Story-telling games were new and alien to them
>Despite "Muh Clerics", D&D absolutely has paganism, poisons, spells and other "far out stuff"

>Even though you're playing the guy KILLING all the monsters and demons (usually kek) do you really think normie parents are going to take the time to understand your faggy nerd hobby enough to get that?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62908021 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)03:43:50")

">>62905361
Can I touch your beard for goodluck, O' Grey One?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62908269 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)04:19:12")

">>62905660
Yeah, the Dark Dungeons Chick tract came out in 1984. Didn't have a huge distribution but was still sort-of-christians hating D&D before the 60 Minutes D&D episode in 1985. I did see it a few years after it was first published.

The FBI was hearing made up stories of ritual abuse by at least 1983 (no ritual abuse found, let alone by satanists), which also predates the 60 Minutes D&D show which I'm pretty sure were conflated with demons and devils from D&D as gateways into comitting and suffering the abuse.

But the scaremongering christians were mostly confined to the USA. About the biggest impact it had on me was when the words baatezu and tanar'ri appeared in my second ed MC or wherever. Might have paid a lot for my D&D and AD&D stuff and not everything was around in the local shops but at least, while it was a fringe and geek activity, no one was engaging in a witch hunt around my childhood, not that I heard anyway."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62908716 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)05:20:41")

">>62906177
It's pretty much an exact parallel, my man. A majority of Christians didn't care, fundies heard shit about demons and saw pentagrams on artwork and freaked out. Same type of people who freak out about microaggressions or think that Sam Hyde is leading a cartel of alt right warriors to die for the cause."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62909706 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)07:51:40")

">>62906177
But it's the exact same thing, and a good illustration. Sobering one two, because it means these types of overreaction are never going to go away and are just something we have to live with. Best we can do is to limit their influence and dismiss it passively whenever possible."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62909770 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)07:58:32")

"They looked at the autists who played it. At the time they thought autism was deamon possession.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62910547 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)09:31:52")

">>62905364
>you believed it
If you were a fucking mong."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62910588 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)09:35:27")

">>62905286
Bare in mind this was an infintesimally small proportion of Christians that just got a lot of media buzz. It was a totally engineered media event in a time when people didnt ridicule the media.

It made the hobby tho so we’ve gotta be grateful."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62910615 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)09:37:52")

">>62905607
That stuff was the in the 90s. We’re talking about the 70s and early 80s. I must be old now."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62910786 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)09:55:29")

">>62905364
the guy whose fault it was died in a cave though"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62910925 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)10:07:30")

">>62910615
I thought at least heavy metal hate was 80s if not 70s and 60s"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911014 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)10:15:49")

">>62908005
This. Evil campaigns are a thing. 'm a Christian and I don't like playing them, but they are a thing. It's all up to the DM and group."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911168 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)10:32:32")

"see also the Satanic Panic, which 50% of /x/ still believes is real. cults were everywhere, human sacrifice was everywhere, some bored kid in detention scratches a vague pentagram into a desk and everybody in town goes nuts hunting for the evil satanic cult that's totally murdering everybody for suresies.

paranoid suburban housewives looking for something new to be terrified of, because there's never enough. preachers telling their flocks what to fear so they can get more terrified butts in the pews at church. school districts and parents who want anyone to blame (but themselves) when kids do bad shit.

my dad tried to keep me from playing D&D in the 80s because somebody he worked with assured him 100% confidently that we would all go crazy and kill ourselves. well-meaning students who weren't in our nerdy clique often asked us strange questions like "don't you know all those herbs you guys smoke are bad for your health?" or "i couldn't play D&D, i'd be too embarrassed to take off all my clothes and sit with you guys." yes, those were actual, literal quotes from girls at my school."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911515 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:02:29")

">>62911168
Fucking this.
Personally had a friend growing up whose dad swore that he'd been assaulted by guys who "went crazy playing d&d", which I only ever partially believed since he forbade my friend from watching/playing pokemon, but not yugioh which is what my friend and I bonded over, which seemed a little hypocritical. I saw he was full of bullshit when a summer camp mentor let me join a quick 3.5 game he was running during camp breaks.
But yeah, the satanic panic literally ruined dozens of lives (see the West Memphis Three and the Franklin Cover-up) and made RPGs a really taboo, dangerous thing among hardcore Christian fundies during those years."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911795 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:23:26")

">>62905286
Because D'n'D allow many people to fill out their fantasies of murder, pillaging, and raping."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911835 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:27:47")

">>62905420
>Theology
>anti intellectual
>is an intellectual discipline
Don't be painting all theology with anti-intellectualism just cause the only theology you know that is Christcucks"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911932 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:34:44")

">>62909770
probably has more truth to it than has been previously considered"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62911972 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:38:28")

">>62911835
Theology, for when you want to join a book club, but declaring an English major would disappoint your parents."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62912002 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:41:44")

">>62911835
To begin with true Theology isn't interressed in the slightest by hobbies."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62912021 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:43:21")

">>62912002
you don't know what you're talking about though"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62912060 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)11:45:39")

">>62905286
Modern D&D promotes degenerate behaviours including communism, homo-sexuality, the destruction of the nuclear family, trade unionism and veganism"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62912825 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)12:47:57")

">>62908005
>tfw anyone would realise these things by reading the damb book

I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised most Christians don't read their player handbook either"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62912952 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)12:56:27")

">>62905286
Evangelical Christians are prone to think anything kids like is satanic. Rock and roll, D&D, Disney movies, pokemon, Harry Potter, along with plenty of other freakouts.

They're trained to fear popular culture, and they attempt to create a complete alternative structure to keep their kids from being exposed to outside ideas. That's all it is. You shouldn't generalize this to all Christians though, it's a very specific type that does this."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62913031 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)13:03:14")

">>62912952
>You shouldn't generalize this to all Christians though, it's a very specific type that does
While I largely agree it does speak volumes that that very specific type is always the one heard from the most"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62913277 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)13:20:45")

">>62905785
And before that television.

And before that the telephone.

And before that the bicycle.

And before that novels.

And before that cutlery."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62916510 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)16:21:00")

">>62905364
The guy that died and had a breakdown were two seperate cases if I'm remebering it right. The media just conflated them to make it a big teen suicide sensation. As it turns out steam tunnel guy wasnt even dead he'd just droped out and moved to Texas"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62916644 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)16:27:49")

">>62905286
Moral-fags have been shitting on dice games for centuries (cards and spinners okay though because reasons) it shouldn't be too suprising they'd flip out over a dice game that also includes magic and devils"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62916670 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)16:29:01")

">>62905286
Because they are."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62916833 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)16:39:25" && image=="inferno.jpg")

"Most of the founders of the game (Gygax, Arneson, Bledsaw) were all very active Church-goers. Where TSR had no problem with using real demonic names *Asmodeus in the games, Bob Bledsaw of Judges Guild disliked the use. For Bob it could just as easily been a fabricated name. It brought a lot of flack.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62918428 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)17:58:06")

">>62905286
It was mainly memed by evangelicals, who at the time held the largest grip on the social consciousness at the time. They were like today's SJW's, but nowhere near as bad. Anything that had anything related to demons--even if you were killing demons--was automatically bad. It also didn't help that D&D was heavily influenced by Catholic Tolkien. If there's one thing evangelicals hated about as much as satanists it was Catholics.

It's interesting because i distinctly remember my mom foreboding me to play D&D and read Tolkien, because she did whatever the fuck her retarded profit preachers told her at the time. Obviously this made me want to do it more. I probably never would have picked up any TG if my mom hadn't forbidden me from playing them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62918565 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)18:06:21")

">>62908269
You can go back to 1980, the book "Michelle Remembers," and the popularity of "recovered memories of ritual abuse" as a therapeutic technique. All sets the stage for the belief there's a global Satanist cabal subverting America."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62918671 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)18:12:32")

">>62913031
Because loud and crazy grabs more attention."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62918802 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)18:20:20")

">>62905286
Not a lot of religious groups even knew about Dungeons&Dragons until the JDE the Third case, like >>62905364 summarized. The media is to blame for that one what with their sensationalism."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920491 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:04:21")

">>62912952
>Evangelical Christians are prone to think anything kids like is satanic.
It's a traditionalistic/reactionary/regressive movement that attempts social control through religious orthodoxy and views change as suspicious and often evil. Really, I think that's its main goal, even if it's not explicitly acknowledged, and specific issues of scripture and morality can and will be overlooked in its favor."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920605 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:11:36")

">>62918428
>They were like today's SJW's, but nowhere near as bad.
Spoken like somebody who didn't live in the bible belt at the time. They (and people like them) gave us stupid shit like sodomy laws (blow jobs being illegal, for instance), no alcohol on Sundays and dry counties where you can't buy alcohol at all, anti-pornography laws, banned literature, opposition to teaching evolution, and so forth."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920623 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:13:00")

">>62918428
>If there's one thing evangelicals hated about as much as satanists it was Catholics.
At least they got one thing right."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920812 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:24:01")

">>62910925
>I thought at least heavy metal hate was 80s if not 70s and 60s
I remember people flipping out about Suicide Solution, which came out in 1980, claiming it was driving kids to kill themselves and shit. The dipshits apparently didn't pay attention to even just the first two lines of the song or they'd have realized that the "solution" in question was "alcohol" and not to "the answer".

https://youtu.be/XeAr76S6axg


>>62920491
I think one of the reasons there are so many satanic references in heavy metal is because it's a rebellion against the social control of this sort of religious movement."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921144 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:44:32" && image=="Untitled.png")

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921164 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:45:43")

">>62920623
>>62921144
"Bless me, father, I fucked up post-reply.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921216 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:48:58")

">>62905286
It started with a pair of suicides blown out of proportion by the media. It reached its zenith with, I shit you not, a bunch of pastors claiming that D&D would make kids too smart for Christianity. Not even meming here, look up George Grant and Peter Leitart.

Religion is a disease."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924217 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:50:44")

">>62920605
Only like, three of those things are bad."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924524 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:12:09")

">>62905571
I will never understand how people can act surprised when members of a religion don't like stuff that's contradictory to their religion. This isn't strange. This should be expected."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924577 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:16:05" && image=="1479367402267.jpg")

">>62920605
There are some shit aspects to be sure. But SJWs would throw me in jail for straight up thougthcrime if they had their way. They're just as zealous as the very worst of fundamentalists, only instead of banning boobs because 'Muh religion', they're banning boobs because 'You're an evil sexist mysoginist white male, how dare you want to look at women's bodies! Fat people are sexy and gender is whatever I say it is!""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924968 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:45:49")

">>62912060
What's bad about trade unionism apart from the fact that it's 'un-American'? Honest question. I get family, homo, commie and vegan parts at least somewhat. But what's wrong with people looking after each other against those who explicitly exploit them?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927117 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:04:32")

">>62905286
Because conservative Christian in the bible belt are even more fun-ruiningly-overreactive than SJWs"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927143 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:08:33")

">>62924577
>But SJWs would throw me in jail for straight up thougthcrime if they had their way.
>Implying evangenical bible belters wouldn't if they could.
Nigga please, I'm not trying to defend SJW here, but if you actually lived through the "everything I don't agree with is secretly a Satanic plot" era (and D&D was one of the main targets of this period,) you'd know they're not at all different."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927184 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:14:41")

">>62905361
Christian literature has had sympathetic devils for as long as there has been Christian literature.

DnD moral panic had nothing to do with content it was all about presentation and finding scapegoats. Just use of words that hinted occult in something that wasn't protected by the aura of self-proclaimed Christianity was enough to cause the outrage."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927228 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:19:35")

">>62905286
Christians in America, my man. The same America that had the Salem Witch Trials. Shouting "I saw X with the devil!" is literally part of American identity. I can't recall equivalent outrage in any other majority/traditionally Christian country.

>>62924577
Pretty ironic when you think about it. Remember when everyone ridiculed Jack Thompson for his crusade against GTA because violent video games make people violent? Swap around a few buzzwords and you get Anita Sarkeesian: sexism in video games makes people sexist."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927277 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:26:39")

">>62927184
>DnD moral panic had nothing to do with content it was all about presentation and finding scapegoats.
This is true.
>>62927184
>Christian literature has had sympathetic devils for as long as there has been Christian literature.
This is not true. People try to point at Paradise Lost, but fail to realize that The Devil in Paradise Lost is "sympathetic" in the same way that Lex Luther is sympathetic, in that it is the author intentionally seducing the audience with a Villain and then shaming the audience for being seduced. The problem, and the cause for most mis-readings, was that Milton never immagined anyone who was raised as anything other than a devout christian would ever read his book, and thus Lucifer's heel-turn relies on a number of social conventions and cultural cues that are lost on a modern audience. Satan's ultimate fall is MEANT to be the equivalent of Lex Luther putting on the mecha suit, giving up all pretenses of his meritocratic rhetoric and starts attacking Superman."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927325 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:32:18")

">>62927184
Pat Pulling needed an escape goat when she took a 48 hour private detective class (the last 8 hours was optional to carry a gun) and brought a gun into a house with a mental teenager who was already killing cats and rabbits with his teeth"
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if(Anon101 && title=="" && postNumber==62927879 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:47:01")

">>62905364

The so-called private investigator (William Dear) should have had his license revoked for his unethical behavior..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927893 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:48:58")

">>62927228
The Left-wing became the moral guardians they used to make fun of."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927942 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:56:46")

">>62905364
>>62910547
>>62916510
>>62918802
THE REAL STORY

James Dallas Egbert. Was forced by his parents to go to collage at 15 and hated it as he was the youngest one there. He thought he might be gay and was stating drugs and depressed. People did play in the steam tunnels under the school but not D&D the SCA used the stone back drop to LARP and take pictures against the 1900 stone work. JDE went to a isolated area used as a drug hang out and tried to OD he woke up a day or two later and ran away. He was passed from gay guy to gay guy in a gay sex and drug binge and was found 6 months later working on an Oil Rig in Texas. A year after being found he did kill himself. The PI made up all sorts of crazy stories to shield JDE little brother from knowing his brother was gay an a druggie but he never recanted any of the stories

Bink Pulling was the other case

>>62927325"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927976 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:03:40")

">>62905286
They literally go to a weekly meeting and get told what to think by some professional outrage manufacturer. Not making this up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927995 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:05:23")

">>62927893
These dweebs are literally invoking google goober?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928008 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:08:01")

">>62913031
Most Muslims aren't Middle-Eastern or blow people up, but those make the headlines (and memes).
Most Christians are level-headed. The moral panics seems to strangely originate from American fundamentalists."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928067 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:17:01")

">>62905286

Because there exist Christians who can't separate origins from intent and hold false equivalencies as truths. I've gone to churches where the pastor unironically claimed that Christians can't do yoga because of its Hindu/Buddhist origins, even when most people claim to do it just as exercise. They don't want people to celebrate Halloween because dressing up as red devil holding a pichfork is the same as inviting one to hold dominion over your soul. They didn't want kids reading Harry Potter because indulging in escapism as a child is the same as learning how to practice magic. You shouldn't spend time with an adult of the opposite sex alone, because looking at someone and potentially finding them attractive is the same as extramarital sex."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928096 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:21:48")

">>62927976
that doesn't sound to different from going on the net every day and getting told what to think by professional outrage manufacturers.
Actually it sounds a bit less sick"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928111 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:25:02")

"it is";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928137 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:29:46")

">>62928008
Not true if the none Arab Muslims could afford bombs they would blow people up"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928141 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:30:24")

">>62905286

Because anything people don't understand they're afraid of. Close minded religious individuals who never bothered researching or examining the issue at hand just went full zealotry on it all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928148 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:31:53")

">>62912952
>>62928141

>be me, attending Christian school in grades 1-3
>moratorium on basically all pop-culture references
>first Harry Potter book comes out
>grab it more or less by accident in local library (no one recommended it to me, the cover looked cool, and I liked fantasy stuff)
>bring it to school to read during recess
>teacher sees me with it, tries to confiscate the book but I make a scene because it's not *my* book, it's a library's
>book gets taken away anyways, parents get called
>both parents are diehard christians, but Dad is at least smart enough to do his own thinking
>Dad tells me he's not mad, but he wants to read the book first, and if he says it's okay, I can have it back when he's done
>he breezes through it in a few days, comes to the obvious conclusion that fantasy is fantasy
>gives the book back to me, says I can read it, but I can't take it to school
>4th grade, family moves, I'm going to public school now
>first day, someone asks me what my favorite pokemon is
>"I'm, uh ... not supposed to talk about that stuff"
>make no real friends for two years because the only ""pop-culture"" I knew were the Muppets, and Arthur"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928157 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:33:38")

">>62905286
They didn't until that incidient in some University steam tunnels in america. And it wasn't all Christians, just the fundies."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928170 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:36:33")

">>62927995
You can't have a good cult without a satanic figure. MRA is not high profile enough, but #GG followed by president Cheeto was like a Christmas morning to them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928177 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:38:16")

">>62905286
Pretty much what everyone else was saying:
D&D was used as a scapegoat to explain shit wrong with circumstances in the same way Christians believed Pokemon was slavery and devil worship and video games cause mass shootings.

My grandfather worked as a homicide detective in New York and dealt with a similar scenario.
Kid shot his guardians and tried to say it was someone who broke into the house.
When it didn't work, and my grandfather called him out on his shit, he said he must have been possessed by demons because of D&D.
When that didn't work, he broke down crying.

All because his guardians didn't want him to go to a certain college that he wanted to go to."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928198 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:41:51")

">>62918428
oh no, they were just as bad if not worse.
Unless you lump modern /pol/ into "SJWs", then I might agree. You gotta lump 'em both together, though, to get enough concentrated shitposting to match the old days."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928205 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:43:32")

">>62924577
The SJWs have yet to actually steal my books and burn them.
And they've had fewer lynchings, too! Usually via cops even."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928207 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:43:44" && image=="1329720499012.png")

">>62905286
>why do religious people believe stupid shit?
Gee I dunno."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928216 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:45:40")

">republicans want to kill you for thought crime when you put blacks in your game
>lefties want to kill you for thought crime when you put whites in your game
>religious folk want to kill you for thought crime if you put anything cool in your game

Why don't I just start doing actual thought crime?
What is actual thought crime?
I need to think real hard here."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928245 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:49:14")

">>62928216
>I need to think real hard here.
Now that's a real crime there, citizen. Just leave thinking to us and everything will be alright."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928270 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:54:00")

">>62928245
no, you can't arrest me, I'm busy thinking about how to commit thoughtcrime!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928285 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:56:41" && image=="1511954672324.gif")

">>62928216
>What is actual thought crime
Anti-establishment thought. It doesn't matter whether it's benevolent, malevolent or completely neutral."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928286 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:56:44")

">>62905286
Let's be real here, it was because people couldn't fathom that it was possible to have fun inside sitting down. Since people didn't understand it they used religion to explain it. Since the average person is a moron on an intellectual and spiritual level they knew nothing of either themselves or the world so it all boiled down to the virtuous self vs the demonic other. Thus niche things like D&D which were not easily grasped in the mind of the time were clearly devil worship, once brought to the common conscience. Like most wrong things, religion was an excuse not the root."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928305 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:59:47")

">>62905364
It contained the words magic and demons. Therefore it was bad.

Pokemon used the term evolution, even though evolution was more akin to a Pokemon growing up rather scientifically evolving, besides a few cases like eevee of course.

Many pastors don’t actually research the material that well and just latch on to a new topic because it is a new sermon."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928311 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:00:44")

">>62905286
because moral panic sheeple are always npc's
>DRAGON DICE BOOK BAD"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928332 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:04:39")

"You forget that even today some christians don't let their kids read Harry Potter. Christian's don't understand that you can write something down in a book even if it's not real.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928335 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:04:56")

">>62928148

I'm sorry to hear that you had a very closed sheltered upbringing but it still sounds like you had good parents."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928355 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:07:33")

">>62905785
There was a similar outcry when comic books rose in popularity. The adoption of the Comics Code, a voluntary list of dos and don'ts, came from the industry wanting to appear on the up and up and avoid controversy and government intervention."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928360 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:08:22")

">hollywood is satanic propaganda
>postmodern art/literature is satanic propaganda
>pornography is satanic propaganda
H-Haha fantasy is just fantasy, right guys?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928414 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:17:46")

">>62924577
The Satanic Panic actually did throw people in jail for "thoughtcrime". Just look at the McMartin Preschool case. A guy spent five years in jail while on trial for crimes that had never occurred."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928458 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:25:33")

">>62924968
There are a variety of issues. It cuts against personal liberty: in strong union areas joining a union is compulsory if you want to work in a union controlled field. Union leadership is free to act against the desires of the membership: 2016 union leaders were Hilary supporters across the board, and many union members were anti-Hilary and or pro-Trump. In effect this forced the union members to financially contribute to a candidate they didn't agree with. Unions are powerful and unchecked power can be destructive: the current state of Detroit can be laid, in part, at the feet of the UAW union and how their negotiation tactics priced the labor above what the Big Three could pay. Public unions can and do protect bad civil servants who have no business working in their job. The same people that praise unions for protecting teachers turn a blind eye toward how unions also protect shitty teachers. They are also the same people that flip shit when their arguments and logic are used by others to defend police unions. The above is not an exhaustive list.

tl;dr - unions aren't an unalloyed good, and aren't as simple as "people looking out for each other.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928477 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:28:11")

">>62928360
To be fair, much of Hollywood can easily be understood through the eyes of propaganda and or other attempts to influence a populace toward a desired ideology / conclusion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928482 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:29:09")

">>62928355
The ESRB is the video game equivalent of the Comics Code and was adopted under similar social duress.
Having grown up in a highly religious area (though not with highly religious parents) I can say that the issue with D&D was mostly iconographic, the aforementioned usage of symbols and names associated with non-Christian mythological beings. My friends growing up who got me into /tg/ played Star Wars-related games (WEG d6 specifically) because their parents saw absolutely nothing wrong with Star Wars despite it being basically just as fantastical as anything Gygax wrote. So the issue wasn't with RPGs in general, just ones that weren't couching their magic in terms that sounded more like a religion or in pseudo-sci-fi terms.
There's another direction to the greater "Parents don't want their kids doing fun stuff because they're dumb" discussion, which is that many parents, Christian or not, are chiefly focused on pushing their kids to be successful, whatever definition of successful is relevant to their current time and place. For some, that means getting a college degree and a good 9-to-5 job that will pay them a pension. For some, that means finding a good Christian boy/girl and pumping out some kids. For some, that means who cares what you do or what your wife/husband looks like, as long as you're out of the house and doing something. In their zeal to spur their children into action, though, they forget what their actual goal is and fixate on what they see as a threat to their child's success, which is to say anything.
So what we tend to see as needlessly punitive (and generally is, if we're being honest) is generally just done out of fear that the child they put on this earth, through great physical and monetary expense, ends up being a genetic dead-end."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928511 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:34:16")

">>62928458
So is this mostly a case of the union leadership being bad because they aren't upholding their end of the deal? In other words, the idea might be good, but the execution is failing because of people subverting that idea from within?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928543 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:41:18")

">>62928511
In broad strokes, yes. There are no real checks on their power internally and externally. Internally, while union leadership is done by a combination of voting and appointment, it suffers from a lot of the same issues that civic voting does: there's a definite establishment and an inertia to maintain that establishments power and direct. Externally, if there isn't a collective the businesses can use to check the labor unions you get Detroit.

Detroit, again in broad strokes, happened because unions were fantastically powerful and the Big Three didn't have a competing collective they belonged to that checked the unions. So the UAW would lean hard on one of the Big Three for a concession, threatening a shutdown of all labor in the city if they were not giving what they wanted, and then would use that concession to force the other members of the Big Three to adopt the same policy. Spiral that on and on until labor prices itself out of the market, and the Big Three leave Detroit.
"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928571 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:45:41")

">>62928511
It depends, there are too many variables. Small unions might be unable to do anything for the members, while huge ass unions might actually not notice or care to act for small groups or individuals. Members might not care about how the union is lead, so they don't vote in new leadership despite corruption.

The idea behind syndicalism was that workers should run the business they work in through their union, but the application of the idea is that the unions are in opposition to the owner/employer/management. Like in that anon's Detroit example, unions can fight for the business to make decisions that will either lead them to bankruptcy or chase them out of the country. Because unions are not held responsible for the business success of the company only the worker's rights, they may not even care if the company will be profitable after their demands are fulfilled."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928598 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:49:24")

">>62928543
Power inevitably corrupts, to use a tired yet never wrong aphorism. I wonder how much oversight you'd need to find that balance between having the workers' interests and rights represented and protected, while also not relying on bluffing and strong-arm/glad-handing tactics to protect those workers' interests and rights. Clearly we can't put all the power and responsibility into the hands of an individual or small number of individuals, but leaving it up to good will also doesn't work for roughly the same reasons. So what's the answer? Is there one?
I don't mean to put you on the spot. Stuff like this has been going on for a long time. I just would think there's a solution that doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were.
"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928616 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:52:55")

">>62928355
In the end the senate committee report said there was no justification for goverment censorship of comics. The comic book publishers adopted the comics code mainly as a way to drive EC comics out of bussiness. It's a classic case of established companies exploiting regulation (or the threat of it) to lock out competition"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928630 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:56:10")

">>62906177
>triggered"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928669 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:01:32")

">>62928616
>looks up EC comics because I've never heard of them
Well, if you can't win with superior product, I suppose you have to win by making sure no product is superior. Even in cases where such a technique would make no sense, like with comics and other entertainment media."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928674 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:02:07")

">>62928598
This anon, >>62928571, makes good points about the antagonistic relationship between labor and business that exists in the US. That's influenced by too many factors to go into, suffice to say I think it's part of the overall American condition. That's neither a good thing or a bad thing, it's just that the US has a very particular relationship with violence, competition, and conflict resolution. But beyond that, as the other anon pointed out a large part of the problem is that unions, and we're talking private unions here, public unions are a completely different animal, are completely divorced from the business.

Using the Detroit example again, the UAW did exactly what they were supposed to do: they got everything they could for their members. However, in doing so, they chased off business. If the UAW were held partially accountable for the health of the businesses its members worked for, then Detroit 2018 might resemble Detroit in its heyday rather than an Escape From movie.

Fixing private unions is easier than public unions in a variety of ways. Public unions are fucking ideologically complicated. Having said that, there are issues with fixing the relationship between business and labor. Its easy to say, just make a law, but bringing government into the mix changes the calculus as you have a third party that has a completely different agenda. What needs to happen is that leaders in business and labor need to realize the issues and come together to fix things. Unfortunately, here's my inner cynic talking, like leaders in government and media, they're so far divorced from the consequences of their actions that there is no real pressure for them to fix things. A person on a sinking boat will find a fucking way to patch a hole. A person in charge of boats will not work with the same ingenuity or fervor.
"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928697 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:05:34")

">>62928616
That's not a good example of regulatory capture, as regulatory capture requires government force of law in order to be effective. The CC was voluntary, so there was no regulation to exploit. EC could have either adopted the CC, or if the CC was trademarked in such a way to prevent them using it, they could have created a similar brand to play the same card.

Still, points for recognizing that regulatory capture is a thing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928723 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:09:24")

">>62910588
>in a time when people didnt ridicule the media.
>sheep believe trump is a violent racist russian plant who was not democratically elected because they heard it on msm
you are still living in that time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928739 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:11:04")

">>62928723
To be fair, the 24-hour news cycle, while great for the business of media, has significantly diminished the quality of media produced."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928788 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:18:27")

">>62905286
Boomers were retarded and were raised on fear of betrayal and nuclear devastation.

The new abomination is inequality, racism, homophobia... You don't need to be a Christian to be a part of the retardation. In fact, retardation seems universal, and nothing can save humans from it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928792 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:18:42")

">>62928674
Both you and >>62928571 make excellent points and give a lot of good context on the chain of events that led up to the current state of things, and I appreciate you taking the time to put that all together in a way that makes sense. It all seems like needless social bloodshed to me, but at least I get why it is happening a little better."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928799 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:19:38")

"Because it's a weird thing that was done by weird people(i.e the other) and involved magic so it obviously had to be demon related.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928814 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:22:23")

">>62928792
The guy who posted the original question here. Seconding the praise to anons in this thread, despite being a dirty commie by your guys' standards I feel like I see your point. Ah, the human conditions. Thanks all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928862 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:26:22")

">>62927228
>witch hunts existed only in america
no they didn't, that you can't recall something has very little to do with its state of being"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928920 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:35:09")

">>62905420
>pastors
>theology"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928942 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:38:50")

">/tg/ - Unions and Labor law";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928960 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:40:34" && image=="10nt2d.jpg")

">>62905286
There was nothing particularly special about DnD, it was just another thing that young men were doing that old church ladies didn't approve of, which is anything that isn't working menial jobs or sitting quietly reading a bible. These people have a lot of free time and disposable income so they often wage these absurd pop culture crusades, I remember my church had a vocal contingent claiming Pokemon was evil, not because of "evolution" but because of the insistence that the pokemon got their powers from satan because they didn't explicitly thank god before using them, it was some really weird and retarded reasoning. Before that in our parents day it was comic books, go back farther and it was card games and fishing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928970 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:41:26")

"The Simpsons gag about Burn’s father’s atom smashing plant and the unionist was apt for why the unions formed and why they declined.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928981 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:42:47")

">>62928942
I mean, it makes sense. Who else but /tg/ would keep track of stuff like that? They can use it to add realistic conflict to games based on actual conflicts in real life. Same reason why this all got started out of lead miniature war games meant to simulate real world battles and teach tactics."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928984 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:43:01")

">>62928942
>/tg/ - The Only Board You'll Ever Need"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929024 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:47:06")

">>62928148
he was right about the library cards"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929030 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:47:56")

">>62928697
In the case of the CCA it also had the collusion of retailers. Once they'd agreed they would only stock books with the code stamp on it was game over for independent operators. No goverment intervention required. It's much the same system the MPAA uses."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929100 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:55:39")

">>62927228
Guess you never heard of the Inquisition."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929247 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:12:27" && image=="20180605_111237.jpg")

">>62905420
>>62905446
Makes sense to me. I grew up pentacostol christian and pretty much anything that had tones of bucking authority or critical thinking was labeled satanic. My dad burned all his star trek models because "god told him to". My grandparents got mad when I saw shrek and read scifi books. Any music not related to christanity was looked down on. Etc, etc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929357 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:24:26")

">>62928598
Considering that after unions fell off, workers' wages and benefits continue to plummet, company profit concentrated in the hands of a few and those same companies actively take measures to prevent their employees from unionizing, you have your answer from real life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929407 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:29:29")

">>62929247
How did you even manage to become a fa/tg/uy with an upbringing like that"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929490 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:40:09")

">>62905286
Christians hate anything that’s new and not handed to them by their God. I once read that when lampposts were invented and being put up that christcucks threw a fit saying “god doesn’t want people doing things at night so he makes it dark! These lights are unholy!”"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929503 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:41:23")

">>62929407
Spite."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929532 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:44:27")

">>62928305
Don't forget the story about a shaman who apparently knew Pokemon from his spirit-talking days."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929561 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:48:04")

">>62928482
>The ESRB is the video game equivalent of the Comics Code and was adopted under similar social duress.
ESRB (and PEGI) are different in that they actually have M/18+ ratings (and are more granular in general). CCA was binary about do's and don'ts.
Vidya ratings are guidelines for parents, CCA was a gag on comics."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929569 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:49:10")

"I have honestly never seen any Christians have problems with D&D, I have heard that there are many, but I have never seen any. My whole group is Christian, our old DM was a hardcore Catholic, but we all new it was make believe. So I really don’t have an answer for this....";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929628 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:54:15")

">>62929569
Nowadays you probably won't. Back then it was coming from a large crazy US christian zealots who just didn't like fun. It's even possible they were even a vocal minority that were against it but as you know the ignorant tend to always be the loudest."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930251 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:56:44")

">>62929561
Personally I'm fine with ratings systems, even as an adult it's good to know what you are getting into. It just needs to be transparent about what they are rating and why and about who is making the desicions"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930812 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:46:29")

">>62928984
Cringe"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931175 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:18:12")

">>62905286
Because what haven't fundamentalists screeched about over the past century? Off the top of my head, they've complained about alcohol, evolution, Rock & Roll, metal, hippies, veganism, Muslims, Atheists, Catholics, vaccinations, homosexuality, & yoga.
At this point I think they just like listening to themselves talk."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931271 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:24:42")

">>62905286
For the same reason people now claim they promote sexism."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931273 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:24:48")

">>62927325
> she once told a newspaper reporter that eight percent of the people living in Richmond, Virginia were Satanists. She had arrived at that figure, she explained, by estimating that four percent of adults and four percent of teenagers were involved with Satanism, and added them to get eight percent. When the reporter informed her that mathematically that was four percent, not eight percent

damn, we've all had one of those decades"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931562 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:45:55")

">>62931273
>> she once told a newspaper reporter that eight percent of the people living in Richmond, Virginia were Satanists. She had arrived at that figure, she explained, by estimating that four percent of adults and four percent of teenagers were involved with Satanism, and added them to get eight percent. When the reporter informed her that mathematically that was four percent, not eight percent

This reminds me of another sort of outrage culture that likes to blow up stats..."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931640 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:50:51")

">>62931562
On a completely unrelated note, the "school shooting" that twitter was freaking out about this morning was malfunctioning water heater."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932052 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:21:55")

">>62929569
Anons in this thread are talking about something that happened almost half a century ago, far outside the lifetimes of most people here.

Nowadays the power structure that shuts down your fun is more likely to be some haywire extremist social justice group instead of religous totalitarianism."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932180 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:29:26")

">>62905286
>Why did Christians believe that?
Power.

Most of the nutty stuff religious leaders do is about proving and consolidating their power. RPGs were new. RPGs treated magic, demons, devils and gods other then God as normal things. They were easy targets.

And you have to remember that this was a time of satanic panics. Imagine the modern panics over paedophiles, only directed towards anything remotely satanic."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932275 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:35:20" && image=="Be Irish Monk.png")

">>62928207
Creating Western civilization was pretty stupid desu"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932315 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:38:13" && image=="deities+demigods.jpg")

">>62910588
>It made the hobby tho so we’ve gotta be grateful.
OG Deities and Demigods is still the best."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932332 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:39:39")

">>62905286
Same reason why they burned scientists, homosexuals, "witches" and """"" heretics"""" at the stake. They're just superstitious cunts like that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932372 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:41:45")

">>62932275
>if that monk died there'd be no West!
what in the fuck are you talking about?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932374 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:41:47")

">>62931175
You forgot : alcohol, dancing, math (well, certain branches of math)"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932420 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:44:43")

">>62905286
Because evangelists are retarded and many americans believe their retarded nonsense"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932464 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:48:33")

">>62905420
>theology
>coming from a pastor
The thing pastors have going for them is their godly charisma modifier. If I want to study theology I'd go to a real Priest, a Catholic or Orthodox one"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932531 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:52:59")

"It's important to understand that the religious right of America is at a cultural war with the rest of the american populace.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932563 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:55:15" && image=="Angel GF.png")

">>62932372
Europe shit itself when the Roman Empire collapsed. The church effectively became the government, keeping the streets paved and the aqueducts bringing water into the towns. The only reason why all the Greeks' achievements in philosophy and mathematics weren't simply lost is because of monks who dedicated their lives to copying it by hand. The West was also made possible by an alliance of Christian kings who collectively are the only reason you aren't speaking Arabic right now.

It's generally not a good idea to spit on the ideological foundations that made your society possible. One can't expect to get fruit by cutting the tree down, after all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932573 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:56:02")

">>62932275
Because Roman Church in the 8th century totally had the same theology, dogma, motivations and power as it did in the 17th and 18th century."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932831 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:13:56")

">>62932531
I'm fairly sure that every sub-culture in America is in the midst of a culture war, both between one another and within their own ranks."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932953 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:21:53")

">>62932052
There's still plenty of religious kooks out there trying to institute their no fun allowed zones. Try living somewhere like Utah and you'll understand."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933111 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:31:27")

">>62932275

>Be Eastern monk
>Go on a journey to the west
>Hilarious hijinx ensues"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933969 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:25:55")

">>62932563
>Greeks' achievements in philosophy and mathematics weren't simply lost is because of monks who dedicated their lives to copying it by hand.
I think you mean "because the Muslims preserved the ones the Christians didn't burn.""
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935333 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:37:50")

">>62932374
>You forgot : alcohol.
I didn't.
It was literally the first thing I mentioned."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935787 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:01:21")

">>62933969
Only after the Muslims burned the ones that didn't agree with their religion."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937207 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:19:25")

">>62935787
[[citation needed]]"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937221 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:20:29")

">>62935333
>It was literally the first thing I mentioned.
Wooops."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937258 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:22:02")

">>62905286
misinformation and people are eager to be fearful sheep"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937309 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:24:40")

">>62932275
>monks
>having anything to do with that
Those fucks couldn't even preserve the comedies they were so useless.
We had to get all our shit back from the fucking middle east, the monks were so useless at retaining valuable info."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937431 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:31:20")

">>62905286
When something new comes up that challenges your organization's status quo, you need to invent something to suppress that challenge. Fear and hate work best, and what do christians fear and hate most?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937963 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:58:04")

">>62929407
>>62929503
Pretty much this. Kids go after whatever you tell them not to and I read one too many books with agnostic/atheist characters that jogged my brain. I went non-religious. Little bro went pagan and is covered in norse tattoos. Parents are chill about it though, so lucked out."
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if(Rirtus Falum && title=="" && postNumber==62938310 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:16:52")

">>62932563
More like it went to shit over time, but it wasn't really just a sudden collapse. Rome fell ovver time, over hundreds of years losing the empire to barbarians piece by piece as they withdrew troops and had several civil wars were by the end, the empire was both roman and an empire in name only, while the church sorta of split too between the remains of a "roman" christian church in the east and the scattered, isolated communities that converted long before the collapse was finished.
The Catholic church effectivly became the new rome in that it organized and had great influence over the many squabling kingdoms that formed in the collapse, with churches being both university and effectively a consulate between the catholic church and that particular kingdom.
As for the alliance thing, that was mostly just because the Byzantines were losing territory to the many arab kingdoms south of it, and the catholic church saw it as a way to consolidate more power and one up the Byzantines, with most of the action really being just pillaging Byzantine territory before capturing Israel, and losing it less than 100 years later. The arab muslim kingdoms did attack spain, but was kicked out by the nobility who used the catholic religion as a way to consolidate power for themselves.
As for the speaking arabic thing, odd fact: It was thanks to the muslims recording all that lost greek and roman history and myth (admitidly starting from when they were still a collection of pagan kingdoms) that we still remember things like the Illiad, or gained mathimatics. Muslim knowledge that the west looted is what ultimately led to the renaissance"
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