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String image = "Night Horrors The Tormented.jpg";
String date = "11/08/18(Thu)19:17:26";
String comment = ">Previous thread
>>62897042
>>Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/7HiVphFm
>>Mediafire
>http://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD
>>Mega
>https://mega.nz/#F!2nIH1ChC!3TkI45GJ3vhbk0zZ8NCOaA
>>This week's Monday Meeting Notes:
>http://theonyxpath.com/that-toddlin-town-monday-meeting-notes/
>>Latest Onyx Pathcast
>http://theonyxpath.com/episode-24-dream-games/
>>Fiction Friday
>http://theonyxpath.com/fiction-friday-world-of-darkness-ghost-hunters-part-2/
>>Night Horrors: The Tormented released
>http://theonyxpath.com/now-available-night-horrors-the-tormented-plus-vampire-5th-edition/
>>Chicago By Night
http://theonyxpath.com/what-to-expect-in-v5-chicago-by-night-vampire-the-masquerade/
>>Guide to the Night
>http://theonyxpath.com/now-available-guide-to-the-night-plus-monthly-exalted/
>>New Deviant preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/halloween-bonus-origins-deviant-the-renegades/
>>Changeling Players Guide
>http://theonyxpath.com/seelie-ravaging-c20-players-guide/
>>Shunned by the Moon Preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/the-joining-shunned-by-the-moon/
>>Prince's Gambit Release
>http://theonyxpath.com/now-available-princes-gambit/
>>Wraith Soulforging Preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/book-of-oblivion-wraith-the-oblivion-2/
>>Book of the Fallen Teaser
>http://theonyxpath.com/m20-book-of-the-fallen-teaser-mage-the-ascension/
>>New Hunter preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/teamwork-and-tactics-hunter-the-vigil/
>>Dark Eras 2 preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/redlines-dark-eras-2/
>>The Contagion Chronicle preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/the-cryptocracy-contagion-chronicle/
>>New Geist preview
>http://theonyxpath.com/down-in-the-dark-geist-the-sin-eaters/
>>General Creation Kit
>https://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw
>>Question
Which city would you like to see featured heavily in a sourcebook?"
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public void comments(){
if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62919775 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)19:18:37")

"First for hunters are best boys";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62919802 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)19:20:18" && image=="Hunter The Vigil Featuring Dante.png")

">>62919775
You know it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62919981 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)19:32:46")

">>62919802
2e never ever, though"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920585 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:10:26")

">>62919802

But... don't Hunter's have... like severe psychological issues just out of chargen?
I'm not that familiar with it, but it makes sense. After all, a life of going after creatures that can rip you and eat your entrails is not for the sound of mind."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920733 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:18:48")

">>62920585
>like severe psychological issues just out of chargen?
No, that happens after chargen, they start at 7 morality and can't drop it for xp."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920863 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:26:38")

"In honor of the OP art, certainly some kind Anon can share Night Horrors: The Tormented. Please and thanks.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62920972 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:33:07")

">>62920863

>or else

>>62920733

Oh, so it's just like Vampire, losing humanity means rolling for derangement?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921014 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:35:57")

">>62920972
>Oh, so it's just like Vampire, losing humanity means rolling for derangement?
Kinda, you can also remove something as a Morality sin permanently, so say, killing monsters, isn't a sin."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921089 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:41:10" && image=="beam rifle development.jpg")

">>62919760
So, anons, tell me if I'm reading this right:

1) equipment die bonuses do not exceed +5 when combined (CofD p.100)

2) weapons use their damage rating as if it were a die modifier (rather than bonus successes) as part of the build equipment action, with a penalty max of -5 [i.e. you cannot build a 6L weapon using these rules, which is normally not an issue since there's no 2e Armory]

3) Upgrading a weapon uses the above rules except applies a penalty equal to the difference in quality change. Presumably the max -5 penalty still applies.

So, question: I can improve the dice bonus of a rifle to +5. Could I then decide to improve the rifle's damage bonus by +5 (from 4L to 9L), as it is a 'different' bonus? Would this be a -5 penalty or -10 (and if the later, would it be disqualified from upgrading)?

As it is, the only downside is that if this weapon were to break, it's a -10 to repair (or 10 successes on an extended action).

[Obviously, it's not an issue were one to just improve the die bonus from a weapon accessory, like a firearm suppressor]"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921215 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:48:56")

">>62921089

Upgrading. Upgrading how?

Things like using a longer barrel? A better scope?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921271 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:52:59")

">>62919760
>Which city would you like to see featured heavily in a sourcebook?
Sydney
Last time I can remember us ever getting much attention in an RPG was Shadowrun 3e, which had a (pretty funny) setting book for Australia as a whole.

I think the Seers of the Throne book intro story was also set in Sydney."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921321 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)20:57:45")

">>62919760

Paris, a dystopian chaotic warzone, good setting for any splat."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921394 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)21:04:26")

">>62921271

How useful is chinese knowledge if you are to set a chronicle in Sydney?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921461 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)21:07:59")

">>62921394
Not very helpful at all, unless you're going to be dealing with Mysteries imported from China."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921513 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)21:12:13")

">>62921215
It depends, I suppose. If it is an increase to the damage rating, than perhaps a heavier barrel for increased heat/cook-off resistance, anti-tilt follower mags, or... something. An equipment bonus is easier to imagine: perhaps replace a steel tubular stock with a plastic one (maybe 3D printed?), beveled guards, better optics and rails, etc etc."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921565 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)21:15:10")

">>62921089
No ur cheating."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921575 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)21:15:45")

">>62920585
Only get them if you fail a breaking point, just roll good"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62921633 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)21:19:15")

">>62921513

Well, you certainly know that there are three ways a gun causes harm:
1) The size and shape of the bullet; that is, both the caliber (anything from .22 LR to 20mm) and the characteristics (FMJ, expansive, etc).
2) The amount of propeller, usually gunpowder.

Both those things are the major contributors, and those are an outside gun. You need to have a gun that accomodates the ammo, but it is going to be quite difficult to modify a 9mm pistol to use .454 Casull rounds. Or modify an 7.62 mm rifle to use 12.5mm rounds.
Pretty difficult. Easier to just buy another weapon.

Then, the third is the general construction of the weapon: If the barrel is poorly made, gases may escape and then the weapon doesn't achieve its potential.
But hear you don't have that much room to wiggle. If the weapon is solidly built it will perform, if its not it will probably not just underperform, but fail (either cathatrophically or not).

So how exactly are you going to increase the damage of a gun by tinkering with it, when almost all of it is dependant on the type of round it uses?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923474 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:06:27")

"Any place to find Guide to the Night? Mega is missing it.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923729 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:20:05")

">>62923474

Look again!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923818 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:25:40")

">>62923729
Am I just real dumb and it's not in the "Vampire 5e" subfolder?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923873 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:28:16")

">>62923818
You are retarded."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923888 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:29:24")

">>62923818

GttN is a Requiem supplement, not V5."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923891 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:29:32")

">>62923818
>Guide to the Night
Why would a requiem book be under v5?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923940 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:33:09" && image=="zero-gravity-fighting.jpg")

"I have a new favorite stupid fighting style.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62923973 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:35:06" && image=="1517376669773.png")

">>62923940
Good for when fighting mages that unmake gravity in a given area"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924069 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:41:03" && image=="bend-space.png")

"Best new devotion is also from the space module or whatever the fuck its called.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924276 && dateTime=="11/08/18(Thu)23:54:01")

">>62923973
Why are Mages so amazing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62924681 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:24:45")

"So, do we have a PDF for Night Horrors: The Tormented?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925024 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)00:50:00")

">>62919760
>tfw being Zeky is suffering"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925228 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:06:14")

">>62924681

No. Nobody is willing to spend money on that.

>>62925024

There is no such object/region/personal condition as a "Zeky"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925846 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:50:03")

">>62919760

>12 posters in more than a day

So is there someone here who actually plays something WoD related?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925871 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:52:51")

">>62925846
I'm working on a changeling LARP for early next year, A mage game I might never run because I'm mostly working alone on it, and a fomori game that's dead in the water because OWoD combat is awful with extra actions and the players hated it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925891 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:55:17")

">>62925846
I'd gladly talk about Mage, but you faggots constantly shit on it. I wouldn't even mind you shitting on it, normally, but you turds don't know anything about it, and simply complain about 'reee power levels', or some other."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925910 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:56:53")

">>62925891

>Buh buh I'm so grumpy

>>62925871

And where will that be? Its with the help of a local club/store? Or just your own (and friends) initiatie?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925923 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)01:57:57")

">>62925871

Also, how I miss a Fomori game.
One day when I am bored and this General seems alive I will tell the tale of high adventure that was that.
>Not for the weak of heart or stomach."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925948 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:00:40")

">>62925891
I blame hedgefag"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925961 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:01:50")

">>62925910
>And where will that be? Its with the help of a local club/store? Or just your own (and friends) initiatie?
We have access to a local like, theater area and some rooms. There's a fairly large group in the local community but I don't know how much we'll be pulling from them, there is already a group of about 7-10 people interested so far, so It'll likely be easy to recruit somewhere int he 15-30 range by start, we're going to be making props and costumes and what not for npcs and the like. Mostly working on the rules we're going to use and logistics at the moment."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925970 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:02:43" && image=="1531963158320.jpg")

"owod is shit cofd is superior";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925972 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:02:48")

">>62925891
>>62925948

I blame Mages not taking one for the team (of World of Darkness) and soothing the bruised egos of the other splat players, and, instead, prepotently (and maybe autistically) brag about a fictional game they play in their minds.

Not everybody can come on top."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925985 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:04:19")

">>62925972
What? Are you asking Mage players to acknowledge their privilege?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62925990 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:04:38")

">>62925970

You just posted a pic of a cat crossing his arms.
Every opinion you ever had is invalid.

>>62925961

Theather, costumes and all that? Damn. Also, don't call the extras "NPC", it may hurt their feelings."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926000 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:06:00")

">>62925985

You are a smart kitten. Yes, Mages had to debase themselves in order to pay reparations for years of WoDg slavery.

Just like in real life! Yay!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926002 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:06:10")

">>62925985
Mages are literally the cis white males of WoD."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926016 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:07:45")

">>62926002

They need to start acting like the cis white homosexual males every other splat knows them to be."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926026 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:08:53")

">>62926016
But, anon... That'd be you!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926041 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:10:34")

">>62926016
We're all a little bit homosexual here *wink wink*"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926070 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:13:02")

">>62926026

Ah ah ah, but I am NOT a mage player!

>Also, only chicks or passable dick chicks, thank you very much"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926114 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:18:16")

">>62926070
>passable dick chicks
Anon... That's gay"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926129 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:19:50")

">>62926114

Now you will be saying that traps are gay.
Please, anon, we are living in the 1920s."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926144 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:21:19")

">>62926129
Traps are extremely gay."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926175 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)02:24:08")

">>62926144

And on that note I'm going to bed.

Keep being the best under 20 regular posters General of /tg/, anons!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62926806 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)03:29:43")

">>62926144
Only gay if you know its a boy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927083 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)03:58:31")

"Zeky are fucking amazing. They completely blow 1e ones out of the water. They can be at nearly demon levels of shenanigans with mage+ levels of physical buffs. It would be very hard to deal with zeky who charge up the radiation intensity of an area to 5 and enter Torment.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927121 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:04:48")

"Does Tormented book address the Promethean not interacting rest of the world of darkness in any way?

I find it weird that they have their roots in humans doing arcane science but no one gives a fuck that the alchemy is one of the most practical ways to grant anyone extra powers. All you need is a loon who can distill pyros and you can create anything from magic bullets to miracle cures and mind control rays."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927177 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:13:16")

">>62927121
What? Promethean acknowledges the rest of the world of darkness. They are just so rare, and you cannot force them into existence, so they are a non-renewable resource.

Good luck making your mind bullets when it takes a whole Promethean to make 10 and then you don't see another prommie for years.

Night horrors brings up the main way we've seen people try to harvest them for gain. Clones. It takes pyros to make full human clones (like sci-fi person out of nowhere clones, not growing a baby that is identical to someone) and even that is just an ugly waste of time since the clones are like babies with super powers."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927270 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:25:11")

">>62927177
Mortal alchemists can shit out Pyros slowly, they just can create vitriol or did they change that?

For what I understand harvesting Prometheans isn't that big of a deal until you start mining vitriol from them. Frankenstein with Spare Parts could sell a literal pound of flesh to alchemist and I can see an occult lab built around Vitriol Fount where cultist wait for the stars to be right for fount to start bubbling.

Of course every human involved will probably go mad over the years but it still seems the easiest way for mortals to peer into the darkness."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927309 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:30:42")

">>62927121
>>62927270
Pyros is farmable. Vitriol and Azoth are not. However, NH: Tormented is still written from the POV that Prometheans are this exploitable underclass that can be casually harvested by all sorts of evil megacorporations.

Promethean talks about mages (basically, some alchemists are mages and that's about it) about as much as Sin Eater (basically, some areas are protected/enhanced/stabilized by magic in the underworld and some necromancers are mages etc). Nothing more specific really needs to be said."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927386 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:42:04")

">>62927270
>Easiest
What? No the easiest way is to go buy a book on palm reading and eventually you'll hit one that is correct and can help you see the future. Or get into crystals and holistic healing.

Mess with Prometheans, and that is a one way ticket to crazy town, no stops. There aren't stable Rathbens or Alchemists. They are all nuts. Eventually one of their creations is going to eat their face, or punch it off."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927430 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:48:01" && image=="Promethean - Changeling Crossover.jpg")

"Is there any information on how prommis interact with fetches? I mean, those are artificial beings as well and ight attempt their own pilgrimage in good faith to become true humans (only to fail because they aren't ment to last anyways)";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927451 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:51:24")

">>62927430
Not in night horrors, no."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927483 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:55:15")

">>62927386
Doesn't occult require some kind of internal growth, guidance or understanding?

Alchemy starts as science and is fueled by obsession, you follow set of rules and at some point you run into stuff that works even though you don't understand why you need to take LSD and hop on one foot to get the stuff to mix."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927485 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:55:33")

">>62927430
No. They would be mostly of interest to Argentum. CofD in general has robust enough rules that you don't need special cased exceptions for every last supernatural interaction. They would be Disquieted per normal."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927501 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)04:57:31")

">>62927451
What a bummer. Both templates seem to be similiar enough to have some sort of deeper connection or atleast form true friendships.
Or what about a promethean constructed from the bodies of fetches? Is there any info on wether such a thing might work and how the materials define a promethean?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927525 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:01:53")

">>62927501
Maybe 7 Wonders will have some Promethean on Fetch action.
And considering the Uratha Pandoran, using dead supernaturals as a base isn't a good idea."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927544 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:03:46")

">>62927501
Well you could give it as a revelation to Promethean doing Argentum that he can help a fetch to start a true pilgrimage by recreating him into Created.

I doubt the fetch personality would survive the process as anything but a splinter because Promethean is not his materials but if you want to have a happy end maybe the Created remembers his origins at the New Dawn and fetch achieves his goal."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927553 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:04:42")

">>62927485
Speaking of disquiet, what are the prerequisites to be affected by it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927563 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:05:39")

">>62927544
Prometheans can uplift clones to Prometheans. The difference is that clones are powered by Azoth while fetches are powered by Glamour."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927566 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:06:09")

">>62927501
Would that even work? Fetches collapse into their base parts when killed don't they? Not going to be easy to make a Promethean out of a bag of shoes and shadows."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927588 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:09:12")

">>62927553
Existing.

I might be wrong but I can't think of anything yet that has been immune to it without needing to use a power. Disquiet is one of the more powerful persistent effects in the world. The principle tends to go big or go home."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927596 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:09:44")

">>62927566
Surely you can make golem out of shoes. How much personality can be stored in a boot is a different thing though.

It would be weird though.
>Flares disfigurements
>Onlookers see a glimpse of worn out Nike in the place of guy's head."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927637 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:15:19")

">>62927566
Fetches can be made from everything, even meat and dreams. The thing that gives them personality is a piece of the persons soul and/or shadow. If one could preserve the shadow without destroying it, it should be possible to transplant it into an "empty" promethean if i understand the creation of those right. But the spark of azoth/pyros might simply burn the shadow away...

But still, i highly think that fetch x prommi is as good as a pair as changeling x deva or changeling x hunter"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927651 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:16:55")

">>62927501
The Promethan book Saturnine Night has rules for Supernal Prometheans, who are made from other game lines. So I'd say take a look at that for Prometheans made from Fetches."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927680 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:19:14")

">>62927596
Prometheans generally need to come from a person, or something wanting to be. The latter category are abnormal, most are a corpse that was put back together in some way. The ones that aren't made from a corpse, were like robots

I'm sure there are exceptions, like people trying to make one out of animals (which nearly always makes a pandoran which are antagonist monsters) but a shoe prommie is a far stretch.

How and the other angle. Fetch made from like, deli meats. When it collapses back down, maybe that could work."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927699 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:21:17")

">>62927553
Divine Fire related things, beasts, demons outside of cover, and possibly mummies unless their cult is affected, are immune.

Keep in mind that by far the most intuitive start for PtC is Stannum, which lets you quickly get "recharge without blowing a fuse" and "don't disquiet people" at char creation, so its not as if your PC or any specific Promethean NPC has to Disquiet anyone."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927713 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:23:47")

">>62927680
The personality of a fetch might linger in its remains, seeing how their bodies (well, parts of them) become rather usefull tokens. And the wish to go full human isn't that farfetched i think. Afterall the fetch is a rather tragic being, cheated out of normal life since its enture purpouse is to be a stand in for someone.

>>62927651
I might check that out someday when i remember to. Thanks"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927735 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:26:16")

">>62927699
Are beasts immune? I can see demon being immune because they have such strong control over their own bodies. But outside of more 'we're all related, lel' BS I can't see why Beasts would be. Unless lack of a soul is the determining factor. In which case we can determine that fetch should also be immune."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927754 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:28:38")

">>62927745
based kys poster"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927758 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:29:43")

">>62927713
There are quite a lot of obstacles on the way even if you allow it. First you must have a fetch and promethean in the same place aware of each other, then fetch must be aware of his condition, not gone mad by revelation and wanting to be real human. Next you need to have Promethean to understand the condition and being capable of doing something about it and then fetch must be willing to die as it is a part of the process and no one can fuck up at all."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927761 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:30:00")

">>62927735
They might have powers to protect against it, similar to mages."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927763 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:30:06")

"Which one is the worst of the CofD game?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927771 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:30:56")

">>62927761
Nah they are just straight up immune. I get the feeling that the writer looked at the B:tP and decided he wanted to have nothing to do with that shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927772 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:31:01")

">>62927763
Beast"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927803 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:36:08")

">>62927761
We aren't considering powers to get rid of stuff, immunity. At the end of the day that would make most of the splats 'immune'.

For instance, mages can protect against it, but they are still being hit by it, and if they don't have mind they are as susceptible as anyone."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927819 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:38:02")

">>62927803
Don't mages get their supernatural resistance added to Disquiet rolls?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927821 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:38:25")

">>62927758
And you forgot that then the fetch won't remember their past when they come back, they are a new being (though they might get some of that back) and then they will naturally learn to hate the Promethean that created them. So it is all a terrible idea. Though, a terrible idea that is good for the prommies overall pilgrimage."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927835 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:40:15")

">>62927819
Doesn't everyone add tolerance? I can't remember right now. My last prom campaign the only people that fell to disquiet were mortals and one Mage(tm)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927843 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:41:17")

">>62927745
Swing and a miss"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927863 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:44:25")

">>62927821
Well you could sell the death of personality to the Fetch in fae terms as a winter and New Dawn as a spring. How true that is a bit questionable but mysteries being mysteries everything is possible.

I wonder how the fey that created the fetch would react to someone taking what he made and rebuilding it something else entirely."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927929 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)05:54:11")

">>62927863
The fetch is a throwaway formality for them. They are maybe the biggest victims of the true fae."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62927999 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:06:16")

">>62927929
Meh. They are a life created to be a tool. While that is tragic, I can't consider it more tragic than a person who had their life ruined, were tortured, and treated as a tool."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928065 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:16:45")

">>62927999
The changeling atleast got something out of it, i.e. the power to molest reality and the relatively likely chance of being doomed to godhood.

The fetch gets the short end of the stick and is a dysfunctional person most of the time and doomed to be haunted by a changeling should he ever break free. That and the personal horror of realising to be not be who they think they are"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928250 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:50:19")

">>62927735
Yeah they're immune. Prometheans and beasts have more similarities than is average for kin (both tear people's minds apart if they're not careful and both transform landscapes into vastly more dangerous hellholes).

If the kinship stuff angers you, considers that they're astral predators that are partially created by, sustained by and housed by mental disturbances. Anything that wreaks havoc on the human oversoul is more likely to create beasts than to harm them, and Disquiet is the perfect example."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928260 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:51:41")

">>62927803
ALL mages can cure themselves of disquiet. So yeah, you have 4 splats that are essentially immune (mage, mummy, demon, beast)."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928301 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)06:59:18")

">>62928260
Not immune. Even DaveB has said that mages are not immune. Being able to drop the condition just means once you've identified what is going on with your pattern, you can get rid of it (which costs Mana that you may not always have to spare). That same mage could them immediately end up with disquiet again.

That's like calling werewolves immune to damage because they heal so fast. Aka, that would be dumb."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928327 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:04:04")

">>62928301
Kys hater. Stop shitting on mage"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928329 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:04:10")

">>62928250
Kinship itself would be fine if it was handled in any intelligent way. But that is another conversation.

It seems kind of pointless to give beasts an out to and disquiet, when any Promethean in a crossover scenario will be using one of the other means to avoid disquiet among allies anyway.

Though it was probably done so Prometheans could be dropped into a Beast game as interesting NPCs without the disquiet problem. Since a beast examining other supernatural creatures (kin) would eventually want to know more about them.

Ironically, Prometheans do the 'Weird and rare supernatural that wants to hangout with other creeps to understand things better' story better than beast does."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928362 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:08:34")

">>62928329
Restating that you don't like Beast for four paragraphs still isn't an argument. I am however skeptical that you have that much of an idea of what Promethean is like in practice as you strike me as an inexperienced sort."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928365 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:08:45")

">>62928329
To be honest, every splat does nearly everything better than beast."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928382 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:10:35")

">>62928301
Mages can always use Mind 2 to protect themselves from disquiet."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928390 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:12:01")

">>62928329
"I want to be loved but world is against me" is way better outsider premise than "I know I'm not human and I'm going to fuck up everyone's life to prove the point"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928568 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:45:18" && image=="Promethean Cover.jpg")

">>62927713
So I actually went through Saturnine Night to find the rules and they're pretty interesting. For starters, any supernatural that at one point was human is capable of using the Divine Fire to create a Promethean. This means that alongside the big three and Prometheans who have their own rules for this Changelings, Sin-Eaters, Hunters, Mummies and Beasts can all theoretically create Prometheans. Demons are up in the air depending on your interpretation of how Cover works.

The second problem is that access to the Divine Fire requires an act of human desperation and obsession. Supernatural abilities and the Divine Fire don't mix: only by not using your abilities while creating a Promethean can you get close to acually succeeding. Vampires can still feed and Mages can use magic to cover up theft of bodies, but all the actual work has to be just you. But once you succeed in becoming Prometheus and steal fire from the gods to give to your creation, you too will be chained to the rock. This takes the form of a -5 modifier on ALL pools for activating supernatural powers. The power is still there, the connection to them is now damaged. To restore your powers you have do things that are in touch with your supernatural state: the less human you are to begin with the easier this is. Vampires just have to hunt for and feed on blood, Werewolves have to shapeshift and hunt under the moon, and so on. Mages on the other hand have a more difficult time. They have to study for at least 40 hours in a week, after which they have to roll Resolve + Gnosis. If you succeed your soul realignes and the condition is cured. If you fail however you have to study for another 40 hours over the course of a week and roll again with a -1 modifier. This keeps going until you either succeed or get a chance die. If you fail that one the Mage loses their powers, can never work magic again and becomes a Sleepwalker. And on a dramatic failure? The Mage goes back to Sleep."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928602 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:50:23")

">>62928568
There's one more detail. In 1e a Demiurge who creates a Promethean can do so only once because once their desperation becomes reality by creating a Promethean the ritual changes and the Demiurge can no longer access the Divine Fire because obsession and desire become knowledge. But while humans would accept this, supernatural creatues to whom stuff like this has logic and reason behind it cannot let go. They can become obsessed to the point of a Derangement, and keeep trying to make it work again. This often becomes an all-consuming need, meaning that they'd rather work on creating more Prometheans rather than trying to restore their powers. Note that this only happens when they try to create additional Prometheans: normally Prometheans are created with a specific desire in mind rather than "dude let's create a fuckload of golems"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928637 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)07:56:54")

">>62928568
>>62928602
>have to do splat stuff at -5
And how does that work with changelings? They don't roll dice for making pledges, opening hedgegates, and ravaging normies for glamour. How does that work?
I mean, i could realy see a changeling couple try for a baby, but not wanting to get a goblin midwife involved and go stealing parts of children."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928679 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:03:32")

">>62928637
If you don't roll, you don't roll. It gets even better when you realize that by RAW a Mummy who'd try this would get the -5 roll on Sekhem degredation as well, which only goes down if you succeed on the roll. So this -5 can really help you out to remain powerful, even though Mummied would have a hell of a tough time to actually succeed at making a Promethean."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928742 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:11:28")

">>62928568
What happens if you don't try to steal the Divine Fire from the source and instead try to split existing Prometheans into multiples?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928793 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:18:52")

">>62928742
Also what happens if you jew the prommi over and get him to sell his fire"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928856 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:26:05")

"Since Prometheans don't really have 'souls' in the traditional sense, does that mean it's impossible for them to make a ghost when killed?
I was thinking about Promethean and Geist interactions the other day when this thought popped up."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928891 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:30:39")

">>62928793
I don't think you can split Azoth without something really nasty happening and selling Vitriol is akin to ripping part of your brain out and giving it away. How often do you want to walk around with radical Vitriol in your body anyway? Once you get the amount you need for advancement you should probably use it immeditely.
Pyros is easier, you can already transfer it between others and Alchemists and Pandorans can munch your flesh to create more without touching your reserves.

Still Jewing others is part of human experience so technically selling something valuable might be a net gain in the end. For example you have 2 Vitriol in your body, you sell one to complete a role and a milestone and your body distills more. You could simulate this by making the trade a Vitriol Fount which immediately unleashes its first load when the contract is sealed."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928900 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:31:58")

">>62925891
I just don't understand why it exists.
Every gameline has thematics and aesthetics that are there to remind you that you're in a horror story. Hell, it's called World of DARKNESS for a reason. But out of nowhere, there's just this splat that lets you do whatever the hell you want and basically makes you so damn powerful that the world itself doesn't really matter all that much and the only thing that matters is just dealing with other mages.
Mage is just so far out from everything that it's practically its own thing entirely."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928905 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:32:48")

">>62928742
Can't do that. Alchemists can steal Pyros and Vitriol, but not the Divine Fire itself.

>>62928793
Prometheans can't give up their Divine Fire for any reason.

>>62928856
Not that I am aware of. Going through the Night Horrors preview I think they could be in there in either chapter 5, 7 or maybe even 4, but I can't tell right now."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928945 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:39:02")

">>62928900
Stfu hater
Stop hating things just because you don't get them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62928983 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:42:55")

">>62928329
desu I think all splats aside from Hunter should be immune to disquiet, or at least heavily resistant to it.
They keep wanting to make CoD more crossover friendly, but they never seem to fix the intrinsic issue of every other splat having good reason to rip all the other's throats out at any given moment."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929009 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:45:56")

">>62928945
I don't have to read mage to know how outlandish they are in the setting.
They can make good antagonists I suppose, since there are some horror stories about all powerful magic wielding dickbags who try to stop the protagonists progress, but as a playable splat, it just doesn't make sense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929081 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:53:50")

">>62928856
Now that I'm actually thinking about it, what supernaturals CAN make ghosts when they die?
Hunters obviously can.
Sin-eaters can, good luck getting one perma-dead though.
I assume mages and changelings can, but I've only really skimmed through their books so I'm not certain.
Mummy, Promethean, and Beast I have no real clue.
I can assume demons can't since they were never human to begin with, but what happens when they die then? Just cease to exist?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929095 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)08:55:05")

">>62929054
I'm Beastfag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929141 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:00:25")

">>62929095
In the sense of "guy who posts about beast" that's me. Dunno why hedgefag wants to be known as me but I'm the only one making remotely positive comments on Beast and I'm not the type to whine about mages."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929159 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:02:47")

">>62929054
>>62928945
>>62928327
>>62929141
You are legitimately autistic and braindead, I hope you realize."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929202 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:06:54")

">>62929141
I figured anyone who likes Beast is Beastfag since we're all anonymous."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929208 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:07:44")

">>62929081
There's no soul requirements and even dogs and candy bars can become ghosts. You would need a sophisticated reason why a given creature couldn't, when a house or burger can. I rule anything attuned to another ephemeral channel can't... So beasts, demons, werewolves, etc cannot. Changelings could become hedge ghosts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929217 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:08:52")

">>62929202
Ok, disregard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929238 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:11:12")

"Wr20 KS has been silent. They're finalizing the print, right?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929240 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:11:21")

">>62929081
Mages can become ghosts as normal, Hedge Ghosts are thing in 2e. I don't know for sure about Promethean since Jovians might be ghosts, Beasts might be able to become ghosts but Horrors can through the power of bad writing become rank 10 ephemeral entities. Mummy ghosts would be utterly terrifying to oppose."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929305 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:18:02")

">>62929208
>>62929240
So what would happen if those supernaturals who don't make ghosts died? do their consciences just poof into nothing?
Also where are the rules that junk like candy can become ghosts? I feel like I've really missed a huge chapter of a book here."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929354 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:24:05")

">>62929305
The interesting thing, is that pretty much ALL consciousnesses dissipate upon death.

Ghosts are negative-imprints of a consciousness. They may look and sound similar, and have many of the same memories, but they're not the same 'person' as the living one, and that's ignoring the fact that they're usually a fractured broken mess of pain, fear, anger, and a tragic feeling that they have left things undone."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929409 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:29:44")

">>62929354
Welll shit.
I was considering a mechanic in an upcoming game where if a player died, the others could go get his soul back from the underworld since I know at least one of the players would be a Sin-eater, but I'll have to scrap that one."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929476 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:39:00")

">>62929409
Changelings can truly revive, kinda. Their wyrd should be possible to be weaved back into their ghost/hedgeghost via hedgespinning and pledgecrafting. IF you have the opinion that the wyrd is part of the hedge.
But yeah, true ressurection has been done by changelings in fluff as per 2es spring court fluff.

Or they use portaling to get their soul/ghost/whatever back into the hedge and since they should be sentient enough to make a new body for themselves in the hedge, exchanging their seeming to elemental in the process"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929599 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:51:22")

">>62929476
I've been meaning to get more into Changeling lately. Can get a little difficult though with the whole thematic of 'everything is not as it seems' shtick."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929658 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)09:58:28")

"I really wish some company with loads o dosh would pick up CoD and make a huge open world game.
I was thinking today about how much I just want a game that lets me be a ghost, Frankenstein, werewolf, etc. and how there are no games that just let you play as a monster.
The closest we've got is Vampire: the Masquerade and Vampyr, and I'm honestly sick of just playing vampires."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929690 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:01:13")

">>62929658
There are way too few games you get to play Frankestein's monster. Usually it is just some homunculus, construct or golem instead of super powered outcast."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929754 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:08:05")

">>62929690
Especially sucks when you think of all the potential.
Being made of various shit means you can customize and upgrade yourself in all sorts of crazy ways.
But nah, lets make another generic Nordic sword n board adventure, the kids'll love it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929899 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:21:32")

">>62929658
Sacred 2 might be kinda what you seek."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929918 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:23:20")

">>62929754
I think the problem is the Universal movie version becoming so canonical. I never felt that it looked like the monster was supposed to look and it definetly didn't act like the monster did in book.

It is weird how they fucked up so bad when the other classic movies weren't as retarded and were way better at creating monsters (King Kong, Phantom of the Opera) you could symphatize with and didn't look silly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62929971 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:29:59")

">>62929599
You will do fine. It's not a huger stretch than the other splats. And just how otherwordly you want everything to be depends soley on you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930031 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:35:54")

">>62928905
When I skimmed it, nothing about it.

Them again, you don't need a soul to leave a ghost. There are houses with ghosts, as well as animals. Neither have souls in cofd."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930144 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:46:28" && image=="Blank_c9229c_6456698.jpg")

">>62929159
Its of no use to engage the hateposter. He is convinced that everyone is me and that everyone who isbt praising mage as the best thing ever is a hater.

Just ignore him.

>>62929599
What have you planned for changeling/what interest you in it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930229 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:54:55")

">>62930144
Just reading it more thoroughly really.
CoD is so niche I can't find anyone else to play or engage with it, so I just read the books and appreciate the setting.
Lately I've been dabbling in some of the books I've previously only skimmed through like Changeling and Mummy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930262 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)10:57:27")

">>62929918
It does really bug me that we don't have a modern Modern Promethean.
We have vampire media out the ass, ghost stories are always popular, werewolves had some good shit in the 80-90's, but Frankenstein hasn't gotten anything since, well, literally the original book."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930360 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:07:10")

">>62930262
Outside of Frankenstein, the other Promethean stories aren't as mainstream. Same problem the other non-big three books have.

I'm sure someone has made a golem movie, but who is going to make say... A movie about a modem Osiris?

Can we count Mr. Manhattan as a Zeky?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930469 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:16:13")

">>62930360
I, Robot could be considered an Unfleshed I guess.
There seem to be little tidbits of some of the lineages in all kinds of different media, like your Manhattan example, but none of it really converges the way it does in CoD unfortunately."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930479 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:16:55")

"So if Masquerade is being bogged down with virtue signaling and overall alien lore, is Requiem the way to go? New to all this but got interested when I decided to play Bloodlines again this year";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930511 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:20:07")

">>62930479
Go virtue signal somewhere else. Retard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930514 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:20:21" && image=="1534899704187.jpg")

">>62930360
Well, there are a fuckload of movies about moder faeries. Or fae-related media in general. But other splats i agree. But wasn't there a cult movie about returning egyptian-esque gods in new york or something (it had an awesome shark headed hunter-killer biochimerae)? The 5 element and hellraiser also COULD be interpretated as mummy movies, as can the mummy.

>>62930229
I found it very easy to get people interested in changeling, because it has very good cultural parrales. Everyone knows faerie tales and everyone knows that modern retellings are softened up a lot for muh chilluns.
Just telling friends about a game with the theme of old faeries interacting with modern humans and molding them in fae themselves with the whole glamour, mask, hedge, etc stuff mostly doe the trick.
You can do a lot with the premise of changeling and even with core alone its a nice, multilayered cosmos with interesting paths for plot development that leave a lot of room for roleplaying.
But i am prejusticed in favour of it, so take this with a grain of salt."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930525 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:21:37")

">>62930511
I asked a legitimate question, you fucking ape"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930570 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:25:43")

">>62930525
Go SJW somewhere else you mongoloid."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930590 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:27:18")

">>62930570
Kill yourself you dumb nigger."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930593 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:28:06")

">>62930511
There is no modern vampire game without sexual deviants, punks, junkies and lame civil rights allegories.

Oh wait there are, you can still play a game that focuses on predators and schemes and secret politics instead of YA female fantasies."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930672 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:35:00")

">>62930593
Eat ass you landwhale feminazi."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930810 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:46:23")

">>62930514
I wouldn't want to run Changeling game because I doubt I could rules lawyer as well as some of the guys I usually play with.

It is hard do meaningful contracts when half of the group plays negotiation games religiously."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62930906 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)11:54:52")

">>62930810
Tough luck then, since in character rules lawyering the universe is kinda how the powers work. Especialy with catches and therelike.
But give it a try, its not that hard once you get the hang of it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931141 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:15:48")

">>62930479

Don't worry, hateanon always does that. It's his thing. It's probably a sexual fetish.

Anyway, yes. Requiem is far more tolerable than any V5 abortion. It is still... degenerate, but in a way that makes sense for a vampire.
V5 is degenerate in a way that makes sense for a 20 year old MtF gender studies major.

Go pick the Requiem 2nd Ed, and see if it appeal you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931154 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:16:36" && image=="Who am I to you.png")

">>62930479
>So if Masquerade is being bogged down with virtue signaling and overall alien lore, is Requiem the way to go?
You tell me."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931209 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:20:45")

">>62931154
>/ss/
>vampire onee-san
>guilty about it
>still going to do it anyway
Okay yes, I think I can get on board with this"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931211 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:20:53")

">>62931141
>>62931154

See? Exactly what I mean? Degenerate sex between siblings, isntead of degenerate "let's hold hands and hug because a skinhead said a mean thing about one of Rudi's Army".
>Yeah that happened."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931306 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:27:35")

"I'm sorry of disappointed with this night horrors book.

The rules for Zeka are awesome, 10/10. But we got nothing extra about alchemists (remember, they didn't have complete rules in the corebook) and instead they introduce rathbens and clones, which barely have any suggestions rules.

We got nothing extra about the pandoran+ enemies, just a couple (literally) profiles.

They gave us the rules for the... Jesus can't remember their names now, the Prometheans who gave up. We already had those rules from a blog. They are cool, but it is like showing most of the best parts in the trailer. I hope I'm missing something crunchy in here. I know it is a night horror book so it is meant to be fluffy, but Jesus."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931387 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:33:06")

">>62931306
Are there any new Athanors or Bestowments?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931409 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:35:00")

">>62931306

Why kind of object/tool is a Zeka? How can be used in the CoD?

Also

>>62925228

Apparently someone is."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62931569 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)12:46:25")

">>62931409
Promethean doesn't need to be tool or made for purpose. Frankensteins are made just because someone wanted to create life."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932147 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:27:27")

">>62931154
>creep, dark and sexy stuff in and horror game
>guys holding hands and saying how much they are triggered of bey called he and other dumb stuff
your choice"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932568 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)13:55:39" && image=="1541789564099.png")

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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932677 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:02:57")

">>62931387
I've seen one for Zeky. I'd have to search around for more. Even this one was hidden on the profile for an example Zeky, instead of being listed in the details of how to play a Zeky. Just terrible formatting.

Zeky Bestowment: Half-Life
With this Bestowment, the character no longer has a life span but
a half-life. Their Azoth is inextricably tied to the decay of the nuclear
element within their body, allowing them to persist as a Promethean
well beyond the allotted century for most. Each half-life interval, rather
than cease functioning, a Zeky’s Azoth rating is halved (round down)
and they continue to exist. For some Zeky this time is measured in
centuries while others may have only months to find enlightenment
before they finally cease to exist all together. When the Zeky with
this Bestowment dies, she may choose to activate the Bestowment to
return to life and regain health levels equal to her Azoth. Activating
this Bestowment in this way causes a Firestorm."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62932761 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:09:12")

">>62932677
Two more, additional Bestowments for the 'Hollow' Lineage introduced in Dark Eras. So these are Prometheans from the 1930s dust bowl era, created with a dried out corpse.

Bloody Feast: Even violence can be its own kind of sustenance.
Once per scene, the Hollow may choose to not suffer damage after a
successful attack, and convert the damage directly into Pyros. If the
Hollow is at maximum Pyros, or if an amount of damage remains
after reaching maximum Pyros, the damage is instead converted
into Willpower. At the end of the scene, the Hollow suffers the
accumulated damage.

Vice Eater: A Hollow’s hunger is so powerful that it can infect
others and strengthen their desires, impairing their judgement.
When a Hollow knows her subject’s Vice, Torment, or other kind
of temptation and attempts to socially manipulate the subject using
the temptation, the Hollow achieves an exceptional success to open
the subject’s Doors with three successes instead of five."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933032 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:26:35")

">>62932761
Is there a reason why some Promethean seem more like revenants that came back from the dead because their life was cut short while rest are product of deliberate process?

Also Dust Bowl as the orgins of starvation zombies seem lame to me. If anything Hollows should have been there first long before people thought about binding corpses to slavery or to bring them back to tell secrets of the dead."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933121 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:32:08")

">>62928900
>>62929009

The gameline's metaphysics responsible for the world being so shit and the guys personally going out of their way to uncover all the mysterious shit in the setting? Yeah, they're sure "outlandish", my dude... It's not like sorcery isn't a common aspect in horror."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933155 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:33:50")

">>62933032
The center of Promethean is someone using the divine fire that fuels life. All that is required is the urge by someone to do anything to bring life into this world, and the Principle seems willing to respond by gifting them the divine fire.

The weird exceptions are the Unfleshed and Zeka, where there isn't always a will involved, just a sort of divine spark.

So most of them are deliberate process. Life cut short is more Sin-Eater territory (and the Unfleshed that are most like them, are also sometimes made by ghosts ripping a body apart, interesting).

Usually, I see Prometheans as a labor of love or passion. It is rarely a mistake that one is made. No one collects limbs from different corpses, or dredges up a body from a river, or cuts someone into 13 pieces, and then goes 'oops, I didn't mean to try to bring this body to life'. They study, they trial and error, they go absolutely mad trying to get it right. Then the pieces fall into place and the divine fire makes it happen.

Then the divine fire proceeds to make both their lives a living hell."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933186 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:35:20")

">>62933121
The only splat that feels out of place is Mummy IMO"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933260 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:41:01")

">>62933186
Naw, Mummy is fine. It could have fit better, but clearly it wasn't getting a lot of attention when it was being made.

A better Mummy line (hopes for 2e) would see Mummies as super boogeymen for any line that deals with ancient artifacts or magic. Mage, Hunter, Sin-Eater, Vampire, sometimes Werewolf, they would all be pissed scared of Mummies. As is, that is mostly the case, so it is doing fine.

The game has direction, it even has cohesion, it just doesn't have a ton of playability. It has the same problem Promethean 1e and Geist 1e had, where everyone knows what Mummy SHOULD be doing, just everyone looks at it and goes 'why would I do that though?'

The game sounds like hell for the ST, and it only kind of sounds fun for the players.

It needs to find a way to be less work on everyone involved, and more play. Maybe a better system for digging into the past, for playing out past eras. It also needs to not pretend it is the game of 'waking up mad and dropping asteroids on people', because in reality that is only the hook. The actual game is played like most games, with weak characters trying to dig into their past and figure out what to do with their lives. But we are always sold 'OMG Mummy are so strong they can gank almost anyone!'

I have hope for Mummy 2e."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933282 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:42:44")

">>62933155
Obsession calls down the Divine Fire.

Frankesteins come from will to create life, Galateans from the need have a fuck doll, Tammuz from the will to have a servant, Osiris from the need to know the secrets of the dead, Ulgan from the desire to know the secrets of spirits and Unfleshed from creating the perfect tool.

Zeka and Hollows are different. Surely there was a lot of strong emotions during every famine but what is the walking corpse supposed to do when the streets are full of starved people?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933295 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:43:34")

">>62933260
>Naw, Mummy is fine.

"Mummy 2e should be rather different. Like, 'fits into the CofD setting' different. Mummy 1e is very deliberately written as though it were the only game."
-DaveB"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933337 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:46:27")

">>62933295
>DaveB doesn't like Mummy
>The sky is blue

Got anymore hot news for us, anon?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933355 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:47:28")

">>62933337
>DaveB doesn't like mummy

"And I like Mummy."
-DaveB"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933371 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:48:28")

">>62933282
I dunno what to tell you. I have no urge to play in the dust bowl, so I've never bothered reading The Hollow.

Zeka are fun enough that I give them a pass. I consider them an exception to the usual process. So to me, Prometheans are made from passion, and like you said, obsession."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933417 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:51:13")

">>62932568
what wrong with it?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933440 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:52:31")

"Since you're all so annoyingly obsessed with power levels, how would one rank the splats from strongest to weakest?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933459 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:53:35")

">>62933417
Don't trust /wodg/ with any interpretation of a gameline.

V5 is probably WW's most popular product in some time, with tons of people clamoring to support it, lots of streams for it, and people begging for more content.

So clearly it sucks."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933498 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:55:41")

">>62933371
I always kept the Lineages a bit fuzzier than they are in the book, some of them already have multiple origins and world is full of myths about building your own people. For example in Kalevala a guy makes himself a wife out of gold but the woman is not what he wanted.

Dust Bowl sounds stupid and restricing when a regular starvation would fit just fine and allow nice hooks like Hollow wanting to complete rite of creation needing to travel to some famine ridden 3rd world shithole to find proper starved corpses."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933514 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:56:35")

">>62932568

Amen, broshakebro. V5 has managed what nobody has done before: Unite left and right in total hatred of their shitty. subpar, poorly written, fanfiction tier, product.

At this rate Triplegendered Furryfaggots and Nat-Soc Skinheads will be chanting "Down with V5!" together.

>It's a thing of beauty, like Magefags and Vampfags holding hands in harmony"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933544 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:58:19")

">>62933260

>Super Boogeymen

So, the only chill splat who literally has no reason to go against anyone, who basically has no endgoal other than "exist until the new cycle", who could perfectly team up with any other supernatural...

>>62933295

OH. OF COURSE, DAVE. Of course."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933560 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:59:20")

">>62933440

Why don't YOU rank them. Put more efforts into your baits, magefag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933561 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)14:59:20")

">>62933440
Archmages are the only god-tier splat. Then you've got the "big three" Mage, Mummy & Demon. The others are relatively comparable, Vampire being at the very bottom."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933590 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:01:39")

">>62933440
Archmage >>> Mage >= Demon = Mummy > Werewolf = Geist = Beast >= Promethean > Changeling > Vampire > Deviant > Hunter"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933637 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:04:34")

">>62933544
Mummy aren't written to team up though. If a Werewolf comes into your tomb and touches your relic, you wake up and vaporize them. If they manage to steal it and take it back to their pack, you're going to be dusting a lot of werewolves.

They only 'coexist' fine when people literally leave all of their toys alone. Mummy don't share well.

The problem is that they don't share well because someone in a deep dark pit in a deep dark hole is telling them not to share, and the whole game is about unlocking your history and realizing all of this is wrong. They aren't chill, they are subservient."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933646 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:05:24")

">>62933590
How are Promethean so high on the list when they reset their skill list every other day and walk around dampened all the time? Promethean can't go to war unless you give him lot of time to prepare."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933653 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:05:39")

">>62933561

>>62933590
Why do you place vampires so low?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933694 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:08:05")

">>62933653

Vampires are weak as shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933740 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:10:48")

">>62933694
One of their abilities can move them to the head of the queue and they can mind rape you just by looking at you. They also got their own form of blood magic to boot."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933754 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:12:18")

">>62933740
t. brainlet"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933760 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:12:26")

">>62933646
What? They can change roles and therefore abilities when they feel like it, that makes them versatile. They have all of the abilities from that change right away, instinctively, so they don't need a lot of XP or power to be scary.

Prometheans are probably one of the strongest creep types at zero XP, if we are talking a straight fight between two monsters.

If the refinement of Silver was available right away, they could probably take on anyone since they could just become the bane of whoever they are fighting.

Their abilities aren't as flashy, but they are a good example of strong with little scaling. Prometheans stay a consistent amount of strong, instead of growing exponentially."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933774 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:13:30")

">>62933740

Sure, that's certainly nice and all, assuming you're not comparing said effects to other splats who can do without just fine, or straight-up blow through it or emulate it via superior means."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933827 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:17:16")

">>62933760
>any wod
>combat
Seriously? Social stuff is way more important for nearly all splats"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933856 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:18:27")

">>62933827
Does anyone actually use the cofd social system? Doors suck"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933870 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:18:49")

">>62933827
And? Are you making a power level list for who can talk the best?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933925 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:22:37")

">>62933760
Only Tin is instant others take from hours to days depending on how you interpret it and whether you have any Mentors.

On level 1 you have 6 skills and assuming you aren't Tin already you can swap for another set of 6. In any case you don't have the mojo to activate them all and the stuff you can use on the first turn (1 Pyros Distillations) isn't necessarily that impressive.

Sure in the late game you can have probably some Calcified Alembics or Furnaces that give you all the stuff you need but you are probably walking around dampened and while you can probably drop it at will your Pyros levels don't charge in process.

I agree that Prometheans are versatile but they are also rather ponderous."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62933926 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:22:38")

">>62933856
I haven't had the occasion to, but I haven't ran a 2e game that was more sandboxy. I think it would work great in a sandbox campaign where people can decide 'I want to get X out of Y' and the ST didn't expect it.

But in a campaign that is more focused, or isn't about that, or is a one shot, no reason to even look at the doors system."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934361 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:48:10")

">>62933590
Why put changelings so low? Their powers and merits are stronger than beasts and they are very flexible in all regards due to tokens, pledges, efficient resource gathering and allocation and have some of the highest powerceilings."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934385 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:49:41")

">>62919760

Anon seems confused. Why are the Vampires placed so low?

Because Vampires makes them feel insecure about their sexuality and probably haven't even seen the disciplines of Vampire-Requiem.

Also, they probably cannot understand a word of Promethean, and parrot whatever they have heard here.

Like hatefag, they are just background noise. Do not engange, for that is exactly what they crave.

>In case you really are new here, this is a common ocurrence; Magefags bait every splat, from Changeling to Werewolf, in order to make all splats fight and detract attention from their own asperger posts.
Divide and conquer, it's as old as conflict."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934421 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:51:09")

">>62934385

>They literally, with one poor quality bait, managed to get 20 shitposts in 15 minutes"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934431 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:51:35")

">>62934361
Changelings are piss weak"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934446 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:52:23")

">>62934421
But there hasn't been any shitposting?

Everyone ignored Mages and discussed the relationship and power level between every other splat. It has been enjoyable."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934543 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:57:47")

">>62934446

>>62933694 (troll)
>>62933754 (troll)
>>62933760 (literal bullshit)
>>62933774 (poor troll)

Yeah, nice try, Exarch."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934560 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)15:58:29")

"Anyone listen to the dave interview? Any good bits?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934590 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:00:14")

">>62934543
Oh man a few lame posts. Better shut the whole thread down guys. Gotta wrap it up, anon didn't like these 4 posts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934638 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:02:09" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">>62934431
Got any points or reasoning for that? Remember that mageshit doesn't count for this, so no muhfate or muhsiderite.
Lay down your reasoning"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934654 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:03:01")

">>62934590

Exactly, you can be the first to go out of here.
Go take a nap, you probably need it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934668 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:03:49")

">>62934638
Stop taking bait, Hedge. If they had reasoning, they would have put it in their initial post."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934686 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:04:38")

">>62934638
I'd lay me some of that reasoning alright."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934730 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:06:22")

">>62934686

Are you catcalling Hedgefag? Shameless magefag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934843 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:13:08")

">>62934686

Hegdefag has laid down every qt from Lübeck to to Innsbruck.

Can you say the same?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934891 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:15:42")

">>62934843
I don't think having sex twice is that rare."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62934914 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:16:43" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">>62934730
Nah, its me for real. But now i have to google what catcalling means...

>>62934686
>>62934668
I am just curious, since with 2e changelings got very strong compared to 1e. Now i wouldnt call them broken, but destroying a city of mortals per day is entirely reasonable for a wyrd 3-5 changeling. And thats only combat.
Ravagibg refills your glamour AND your victim has 0 wp after it and cant clash the power, unless he can deny you harvesting glamour.
With hedgespinning the fabrication of tokens is very easy and travel realy fast. Nothing hinders you from making doors to all sorts of places in your hollow.
Also we can go loud now, similiar to demons, but different. All those sweet auto exceptional successes man...

>>62934843
Lübeck is awesome. I highly recommend it as a vacation place. Very good marzipan and licorice. Also bonbon manufactures from medieval times. And beer"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935011 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:21:31")

">>62934891

>Germans don't have attractive women

Okay lol"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935107 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:26:20")

">>62934914

I'm sick and tired of not going on vacation. I'm going to find myself something in January or February, something North, so I can freeze my balls off. Never been to Prague or Budapest either.
And I hate the abominable Sun anyway.

>Apollo cursed me, only Artemis gives me comfort"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935140 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:27:43")

">>62935011
Perhaps they do, can't tell under the burkas."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935168 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:28:40")

">>62935107
I highly recommend kiel and lübeck. From therre you could do day-trips to denmark"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935220 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:31:45")

">>62935168

I'll take that into serious consideration, Musicianfriend."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935265 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:34:24")

">>62935107
Nordkapp is really nice place during winter. Pretty much everything North of Sodankylä is great bút you shouldn't wait until February as there is no point going there when the sun is shining."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935276 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:34:56")

"Have any of the CofD lines actually improved from 1e to 2e? I don't mean mechanically, but in terms of lore and fluff. From what I've seen they've all been steps backwards and dumbed down the downsides of being a particular splat.";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935295 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:35:48")

">>62934914
>notorious tease doesn't know what catcalling is
well, color me surprised

>>62935107
The impression of Prague will largely depends on the purpose of your visit and how trustworthy you are of the locals."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935319 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:37:01")

">>62935265

I always wanted to visit Hamlet Castle. Out of dumb "fannism", like Verona. Who really its just a regular town.

>>62935276

Vampire has exploded from 1ed to 2ed. From being Stinky Tier to being "Allright, its a different form of vampire" Tier.
I am not very familiar with any other 1ed, so I couldn't say."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935348 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:38:30")

">>62935295

Well, I'm certainly not going to go to Prague to pass out drunk in the streets (although as far as I know the Czech take their beer very seriously...).
One goes to a place full of great architecture and ancient history... to party? Fuck that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935428 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:42:34")

">>62935276
Werewolf and Promethean are both better in 2nd. Promethean was pretty vague, Werewolf was fine but was 'spirit cops' the game.

2nd edition Promethean gives you a better feeling of the journey. Some anon was mad that it didn't allow other types of campaigns, but honestly it has a lot more focus now that it forces... focus.

Werewolf 2e is much grander, feels more epic, while also feeling more like wild west gangs in modern times than annoyed spirit cops pulling over spirits for speeding. Packs feel brutal, tribal, just by nature of what is written.

I think Geist 2e is better in terms of lore and fluff, by bounds. But the mechanics kind of make me sad. Like, their normal stuff is fine, but I don't care about playing literal ghost town simulator. So a lot of the cool stuff that was added feels out of place. Which sucks, because the game undeniably has more focus and direction now.

I think Changeling fluff and lore suffered slightly. Mostly they made the Gentry more vague when people probably wanted more about them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935446 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:43:37")

">>62935276
Forsaken."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935597 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:52:08")

"What do Mages have in common with Onyx Path?

If they mess up too badly they'll run afoul of Paradox."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935599 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:52:13")

">>62935276
Mage has improved drastically in its core material since 1e.

A lofthas been kept between editions, but they've made key changes that they really needed to.
Like talking about "The Time Before" rather than "Atlantis"."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935601 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:52:17")

">>62935348
World's highest annual consumption per capita, buddy. Among the top 10 in most other vices too. Though not all the stuff is strictly speaking legal, very little of it is actually prosecuted.
Historical center is nice, so are couple other places around the town, but don't shop there prices will be jacked to hell and back. Cuisine is... peculiar.
Also make sure to check Sedlec Ossuary, it's near Prague and has the right World of Darkness atmosphere."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935659 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:55:23")

">>62935319
>Vampire has exploded from 1ed to 2ed. From being Stinky Tier to being "Allright, its a different form of vampire" Tier.
>I am not very familiar with any other 1ed, so I couldn't say.
They also dropped all the cool unique things about the template in favor of touch stones... Like fog of ages... Then shitty writers for supplements that don't know what they're doing write like its still present. 2e Vamp is shit written by a shit person."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935689 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:56:27")

">>62935428
I think the system in Promethean 2nd edition is far more playable than the 1st. It is actually rather elegant. Bookkeeping is hell but I made Alembic cards and have the Refinement circle on the table so people can shift easier and don't have to write stuff down."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935700 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)16:57:08")

">>62935597
>What do Mages have in common with Onyx Path?
>If they mess up too badly they'll run afoul of Paradox.

Ugh."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935810 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:02:53")

">>62935689
That is a smart move my dude. Maybe I'll steal that for the future. The book keeping is one of my main worries for the game. But it lends itself so well to interesting stories that you want to get out of a CofD game."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935820 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:03:28")

">>62935689
does anyone play Promethean?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935861 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:05:55")

">>62935276
To me it seems like hunter is going that route, i'm optimistic with the tactics changes and the build a merit seems promising"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935881 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:06:58")

">>62934914
So no one can tell me why changelings in 2e are put so low?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935947 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:11:28")

">>62934914
>I am just curious, since with 2e changelings got very strong compared to 1e. Now i wouldnt call them broken, but destroying a city of mortals per day is entirely reasonable for a wyrd 3-5 changeling. And thats only comba
Would each murder be a clarity sin or is mass murder just one? Or is it different in 2e"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62935968 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:12:30")

">>62934914
>All those sweet auto exceptional successes man...
Back in my day you had to blow willpower dots for contracts of sacrifice or use a giver taker for that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936033 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:15:18")

">>62935820
The secret of playing Promethean is to filter everything in the book through ST.

When creating characters print a flowchart, explain the lineages in your own words, nudge people to think if the reaction their characters is strong enough that they should consider switching to some specific role.

The system plays really well but explaining it is a hell and keeping track of the story is not the easiest task. I'm sort of a sandbox player and in Promethean that means writing rumor tables you can roll from so you can nudge players to all kinds of different wild goose chases without it feeling like forcing them."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936134 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:20:13")

">>62935947
Not him, but I link it together in terms of context.

If you've killed 20 people, that's mass murder. One test.

If you kill 2 people, and then trying to escape later you kill again, that's murder in one scene, and then murder again. Two tests.

If you over the course of a day engage in a protracted campaign against the agents of an occult conspiracy, killing 12 people in various locations and in various manners, they're still linked by context and that's a spree, one test.

I could ask my GF for the specific definition of each kind of murder, but I cannot be bothered."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936160 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:21:45")

">>62935947
Depends on the kind of mass murder and how close together the killings are. A car bomb killing a fetch and 7 bystanders sshould be 1 roll, while a shooting spree /hedge war in the back alleys of a town with a scene between each cluster of mortals/enemies with the goal of total exterminations should be multiple rolls.
Example
>holocaust
1 roll plus 1 roll each month
>partisan warfare counters
>1 roll per squadron of killed partisans."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936206 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:23:43")

">>62936033
Yeah. Unlike Mummy, which is bogged down by its bookkeeping and doesn't get better for it. Promethean has a lot of bookkeeping, but it honestly is for the enjoyment of everyone at the table. It breeds good stories."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936214 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:24:16")

">>62936160
>>62936134
If you commit clarity sins in the hedge do you still not roll them until you leave, causing them to hit all at once?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936286 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:28:00")

">>62936214
I think the hedge remained unchanged, but i cant remember clearly since we still use 1e for games and wait for the printed book(s) as usual."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936310 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:28:53")

">>62934914
They don't bother explaining to -you-, I reckon, considering your interpretation of the rules base is oft at odds with others. Maybe if you posed as another anon they wouldn't tried."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936374 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:32:06")

">>62936310
would've*"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936401 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:33:26")

">>62936310
In that case they willhave to live with the fact that no one bothers with their ranking"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936492 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:37:34")

">>62936401
There's been rank charts since before wodg was a thing. Even on the old White Wolf forums. >>62933590 is largely correct, except perhaps move Beast, Promethean and Changeling around a bit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936526 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:39:23" && image=="1449422468699.png")

"How accurate is this?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936558 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:40:56")

">>62936526
Not at all.
Fuck it, I might make my own in a bit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936588 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:42:21")

">>62936558
Please, do."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936605 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:43:35")

">>62934914
Aside from the butchering of Pledges and your piss poor idea of what current Hedgespinning is, Changelings have received a generous boost in power since first edition, and are on the middle of the power hierarchy, not leaning strongly to either end."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936623 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:44:44")

">>62936558
It's going to be attacked by power wanking autists, you realize. Maybe even start a chain reaction of poorly made MS paint DBZ-esque masturbatory charts."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936657 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:46:15")

">>62936526
That's mixing both owod and nwod together for some reason. Not sure why."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936682 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:48:01")

">>62936526
The fuck's a "void god", do they mean Anunnaki?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936692 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:48:41")

">>62936623
It'll be fine as long as the original looks good so when people edit it its still kinda funny, in summary, it will suck."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936719 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:50:07")

">>62936526
What is Principle doing there? Principle never does jack shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936755 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:52:28")

">>62936526
Not accurate at all. The Mage line should be at the lowest end and highest end."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936824 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)17:56:38")

">>62936526

The WEAKEST Hunter is more powerful than the STRONGEST human.

True Fae appear, but not Changelings.

Dumb reference to Nurgle.

A weak vampire is as strong as... an adult human.

Kupala not even mentioned.

>Either DaveW or a Magefag did this"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62936886 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:00:18" && image=="Voldemort Origins.jpg")

">>62936526

Hedgefag, from the depths of the organ pit I call upon thee!

Make. Your. Own. Power. List.

Show these big-boned demons the True Path!

>Pick related, the greatest sexual fetish of Magefags"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937031 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:10:02")

">>62936886
Ok, why not.
Might be fun"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937078 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:12:21" && image=="Standard power levels for the played splats.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937244 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:21:35")

">>62937078

I love the peace when the magefags go to sleep at 22:00 hours every single day.
They need the rest, they are still growing."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937547 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:37:02" && image=="Official Ranking that is 100% correct.jpg")

">>62937078
Mine has more colours and therefore is righter!!!!!11!!!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937677 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:43:28")

">>62937547

...
Really.
Ok."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937700 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:44:44")

">>62937078
>>62937547
How can people be so fucking wrong"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937703 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:44:55")

">>62937547
Do note, vamps might go up to APC-tier or even mid battle tank tier, once i understand how they deal with all those weaknesses and banes. But right now things like their sleeping habits, fear of fire and dependancy on mortal thralls/blood donors keeps them down."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937733 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:45:56")

">>62937547
Demon should be up there with Mage and Mummy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937741 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:46:22")

">>62937677
>>62937700
Make your own then, but keep in mind the text in red."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937749 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:46:57")

">>62937741
Your red text is retarded"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937757 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:47:29")

">>62937733
Nope, the G-Ms angels find them when they do such things and are like vamps held down by it

>>62937749
Why?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937772 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:48:18")

">>62937733
It's considered part of the "big three." alongside them, which even this cess pool largely understands."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937784 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:48:47" && image=="NoBalance.png")

">>62937757
Anon. Mage, Demon & Mummy are the three most meaty splats *by design*"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937788 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:49:04")

">>62937677

This was mine, anyway >>62937078, going by oWod.

Yes, yes, so wrong, such blah.

Hedge, I do not know why did I ask you in the first place."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937804 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:49:58")

">>62937757
t. brainlet
>>62937772
>>62937784
t. not brainlets"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937815 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:50:24")

">>62937784

Anon, be less of a retard when you read a post written by someone in 2013 when here we are referencing splats that stopped existing (except for the nostalgia 20th edition) on 2003.

Can you read english? You don't seem to, or at least to properly comprehend how years work."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937826 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:51:10")

">>62937815
I can't even understand your retard speak anymore. Christ."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937852 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:52:25")

">>62937826

I'm afraid not even Christ is willing to help you become smart."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937856 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:52:34")

">>62937784
And they are the most highest in my chart. So whats your problem again?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937864 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:52:53")

">>62937547
Demons, mummies and mages should asll be even, with an extra bar after mage for Archmages"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937871 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:53:12")

">>62937826

Yeah, talk about an understatement.
It's sort of words arraigned in a vaguely sentence like structure. Fuck all beyond that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937889 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:54:00")

">>62937852
Back, hellspawn. Back!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937931 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:56:22")

">>62937864
But archmages are not a full template. If we begin to include stuff like them we also have to take into account things like fae touched, wolf blooded, etc. I do not want to have to do that. Lets keep it to the relevant ones."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937944 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:56:56")

">>62937815
That post was, uh, written in 2017. His join date is 2013.

Not sure you wanna be throwing stones in this glass house my mans."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937964 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:58:07")

">>62937547
Promethean can blow up a city if you give him about a week."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62937988 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)18:59:01")

">>62937931
They're an extended template."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938013 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:00:53")

">>62937964
A Sin-Eater with Industrial Boneyard 5 gets a Wits + Craft + 5 roll (with the first two being able to go up to 10): for every success the radius in which said Sin-Eater can pick up every man-made object and throw around goes up by 1.

6 successes is big enough to pick up almost all of Manhattan and the surrounding areas and throw it at something. Have fun with that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938015 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:00:59")

">>62937931
Archmages are part of Mage, dingus. Don't add them though. The gap is too gargantuan."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938037 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:02:52" && image=="Gif for ants.gif")

">>62937547

Be proud."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938078 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:05:15")

">>62937547
That red text is useless."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938081 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:05:24")

">>62937547
>>62938037

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TWVGHtRWAY"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938100 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:06:29" && image=="1541806622255.jpg")

">>62937547
fixed"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938139 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:08:03")

">>62938013
It has no size or weight limits and number of successes only increases radius? Geist's go to tactic is to throw houses at people?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938152 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:08:36" && image=="Official Ranking that is 100% correct.jpg")

">>62937964
So can a battle tank. As seen during the world wars. The timeframe for this is like a scene at most. With enough time all templates can do everything. Even a vamp can get his fangs on a nuke if he puts his mind to it.

>>62938015
>>62937988
Yes, and? Fae-touched are also a changed template. Point is, this is only about the important lines, not about sub stuff that noone is playing for real.

>>62938037
On what?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938202 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:11:05")

""start a chain reaction of poorly made MS paint DBZ-esque masturbatory charts"

Yup"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938260 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:14:24")

">>62938152
Altered templates are a thing, but only Mage has an actual extension to their abilities."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938283 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:15:40" && image=="1541531116895.jpg")

">people lumping mortal and hunter together on their el blanco power tier charts when a hunter with benediction powers can reliably beat almost every splat sans mage and demon";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938348 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:18:58")

">>62938260
Semantics: the bickering"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938351 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:19:03")

">>62938100
Is the bottom text realy that badly translated by google?

>>62938152
Happy now?

>>62938260
So are fae touched and wolf blooded. No reason or whining to include those. So why the whining to forcefully shove archmages in?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938360 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:19:52")

">>62938013
Sorry, no long valid in 2e."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938369 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:20:30")

">>62938351
The difference being Fae Touched and Wolf Blooded don't afford 6+ abilities."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938371 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:20:35")

">>62938283
You need to be able to fly to be included above soldier, or atleast be human enough to still fall under the mortal hunter category"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938388 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:21:54")

"This is a new low, wodg";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938389 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:21:55")

">>62938369
And? All three are stil the same thing. Altered mainline templates that no one plays and are only there for ST chars
So stop your whining that your mastzrbation aid isnt included
<3"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938404 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:22:59")

">>62938388
Come on, archmages and other sub templates to be not included isnt that big of a deal."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938408 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:23:07")

">>62938389
Fae Touched and Wolf Blooded are lesser templates, not altered templates. If you want to go and make a lesser template chart, go right ahead."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938416 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:23:50")

">>62938348
I'd play that splat"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938424 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:24:19")

">>62938283
A well placed bullet kills most splats. Nearly all splats are glass cannons"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938443 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:25:36")

">>62938408
But i dont want to. Thats why i didnt include them in the first place. Once archmages are a separate mainline game like hunter, beast or the like they will be included."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938444 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:25:36")

">>62938404

Archmasters aren't sub-Templates. They're more like an epic level prestige class for Mages. Other prestige classes being the Tremere, Scelesti, the Rapt, Liches, etc... All of which are basically just Mages. Archmages are """Mages""" with access to the Imperial Arcana."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938487 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:28:25")

">>62938444
And yet they are not the thing the book is named after so they can safely be ignored. If we list up all possible templates then no graph is big enough. Or should we add beasts weird ascended template too? What about true fae, are those not also absent without anyone whining that their husbandos are away?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938489 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:28:39")

">>62938444
Wrong, according to word of God. Archmages are not mages, they are their own sub-template."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938556 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:32:31")

">>62938489

Hence """Mages""", you brainlet. Archmages are, technically, half-Ascended inter-soul "creatures". They're not human.

Dave called them an 'altered' template, not 'sub', as that'd make no sense."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938563 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:33:09")

">>62938444
>dnd terms
This explains so much. It's realy sad how that game ruined generations of rpg players and designers"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938574 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:34:01")

">>62938563

It's called an analogy."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938579 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:34:15")

">>62938556
And? They still don't go on the chart. Deal with it.

Next."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938581 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:34:19")

">>62938556
So you agree that they are not important enough to be included? Good.
Next thing we know you want us to include immortals and changing breeds too."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938601 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:35:19")

">>62938579
>>62938581

Good lord, you two. I am sensing some hefty levels of insecurity over an already blatant revelation. Wasn't even the Anon begging you to put them on the list. Fuck."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938604 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:35:22")

">>62938574
But it says a lot about your train of thought. Time to take you less serious than usual magefags."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938627 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:37:22" && image=="magelets, when will they learn.jpg")

">>62938601
But then why do you beg now to have a not mainline template be included? You aren't whining because true fae, angels, elders, alphas, etc are missing, but only about the archmages.
So i diagnose you with the gay."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938638 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:38:26")

">>62938627

Nah, I was only correcting the above assumption that Archmasters are subs, when they're clearly doms."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938681 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:41:13" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">>62938638
So you are butthurt because i didnt include your masturbatory fantasy in my power ranking another anon asked me to do for him?

Now who is the insecure now, friendo?
<3"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938684 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:41:22" && image=="1541808516855.jpg")

">>62938152
fixed"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938691 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:42:25")

">>62938684
So tell me, whats so bad about the red text?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938698 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:42:42" && image=="1541533946286.jpg")

">>62938681

Sure."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938716 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:43:57")

">>62938698
That bear looks like a guy who is trying to pass as a bear. Creepy"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938718 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:44:00")

">>62938691
Not him, but it largely devaluates what makes splats like Mages and Demons so strong."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938758 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:46:18")

">>62938691
its very fuckin' gay my dude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938785 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:48:09")

">>62938718
But isnt that the point of graphs? To take only absolute facts and not speculation and "what-ifs"? For that we would need s dedicated write up. Because with the right equipment everyone is nuke strike tier. All it takes is a nuke"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938804 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:49:20" && image=="Fairy_by_Den3221.jpg")

">>62938758
But as we can see on the past months, nothing is more destructive on a changeling than my ego, lol"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938814 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:49:55" && image=="Archmage.jpg")

">>62938698

You are not a comfy bear, anon.
You are more like an adorable capibara.
There is no need to pretend."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938819 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:50:16")

">>62938785
>To take only absolute facts and not speculation and "what-ifs"?
That's nice and all, but Mage and Demon are all about what ifs. Especially the former."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938828 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:51:12")

">>62938814

>8814

And we have truth in this post."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938842 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:51:50" && image=="1541754153069.png")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938854 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:52:55")

">>62938842
i'm scared"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938859 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:53:29")

">>62938819
Then, by the method of fact based graphs that dont take situations into account, maybe those two are just not fitting to be included in a fact based graph that measures the splats in a vacuum without any variables.
Like an ST who makes you describe your actions, and who says no from time to time."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938886 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:54:41")

">>62938842
>el americano"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938888 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:54:53")

">>62938842

Ever since reading Imperial Mysteries, Billy has let himself go."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938920 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:56:47")

">>62938859
Power charts are made through generalities and common sense, hedgefaggot. A highly detailed chart based on every WoD-related variable will melt anyone's sanity."
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if(Hedgefag && title=="" && postNumber==62938938 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:57:28")

"Time for a new thread?
Time for a new thread!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938946 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:57:57")

">>62938938
It's not page 10 yet, fuckface"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938957 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:58:35")

">>62938920
So why complain that what ifs arent taken into account? I dont follow, but i dont care that much about two line i'll never play anyways"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938974 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)19:59:44")

">>62938946
Not with that attitude"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938979 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:00:04")

">>62938938

Can we have a thread Traitorous Power Chart Edition?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62938991 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:00:43")

">>62938152
>Hedgefag actually agrees that Mages are the strongest

Baahahahaha. He's clearly a covert magefag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939001 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:01:14")

">>62938991

Yeah, I just realized that."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939053 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:04:35")

">>62938991
Common. Fucking. Sense.

You can hate Mage all you want, but only a retard doubts its themes."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939072 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:05:27")

">>62938991>>62939001
Nah, i just think that its not worth the hassle to make the mageniggers even more butthurt than they usualy are.
I mean, could you imagine for how long they would reeeeh? They now bawled their eyes out because arschmages werent included."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939095 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:06:47")

">>62938991
But we have confirmation that Mage/Demon/Mummy are the strongest.
So he's practically obliged to put them at the top, derp."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939110 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:07:32")

">>62929409
I actually remember hunters had a method of resurrection. Malleus Maleficarum had a gift of Lazarus, which resurrected someone at the cost of giving the risen a major disorder. Bipolar, schizo, the like."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939121 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:08:38")

">>62939072
No, Hedgefag. We know all about you now. You probably have a Dave alter in your closet too, right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939125 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:08:46")

">>62939053
I highly doubt that it has themes, but all i gathered from reading is that the "hubris" part is ignored by everyone and the information in the books is never questioned. What happened to the untrostworthy narrator anyways? That used to be a given in rpgs.
And in mages curview it would make sense for the games to quickly turn the hunter way of "everyone died because we did not fact check", but no, the setting is cleanly split and no uncertainty ever is allowed....
Boooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiing"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939153 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:10:22" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">>62939121
I do not have a dave alter ego. Why would i?
What?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939162 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:10:55")

">>62939125

This is sadly true, but fuck you for saying it."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939163 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:10:59")

">>62939125
>What happened to the untrostworthy narrator anyways? That used to be a given in rpgs.
Mage 2e isn't narrated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939237 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:14:58" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">>62939163
The so called untrostworthy narrator is a stilystic device with which an author can give information that cant be trusted 100%. Good examples are propaganda leaflets, comercials and the old warhammer armybooks and codizies.

Strangely every mageplayer sheepishly follows the books exactly as written, never questioning anthing while playing a game with the theme of question everything...
But hey, i'm dumb, right?"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939259 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:16:19")

">>62939162
Every truth needs a brave who speaks it
>slogan of the least trustworthy german newspaper"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939305 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:19:05")

">>62938979
Ok"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939337 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:21:14")

">>62939237
Not dumb, just responding to shitposters with even more garbage lowering the level of discourse to subterrainian levels.

Mage has themes, pretty decent ones even.

But you wouldn't know it from the fucknuts who hang out here, who have never even rolled an Act of Hubris check before, and only ever consider how the game plays when you're already a Gnosis 3 Adept who can turn people into butterflies with a flick of the wrist.

Hubris is maintained through Wisdom, which acts as the only reliable way to control your Paradox, which is made threatening through pressure and providing limited time for preparation and rallying of resources, and a scarcity of Mana, which nobody in these threads ever seems to consider.

tl;dr
Nobody you're talking to actually plays Mage, so no shit you're not going to get a good view of it"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939338 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:21:17")

">>62939153
Because you're a covert magefag."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939360 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:22:36")

">>62939337
Shut the fuck up mage faggot, your game has no themes and is complete capeshit"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939378 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:24:00")

">>62939337
>and a scarcity of Mana, which nobody in these threads ever seems to consider.

Oh noes. How will I ever get Mana? Better jerk off my Familiar... God forbid I have any Ruling Arcana!"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939417 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:26:01")

">>62939337

It's fun that you expect that anyone here has actually played Mage with other humans."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939434 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:26:57")

">>62939337
If nobody im talking to plays mage, then why do you think that you know more than them? I mean, by your own words, you do not play mage afterall?

Also mage archieves the status of having found a way to make magic boring.
And i still remain unconvinced that mage has tgemes, but neither you, nor anyone can change my mind on that since my heart has closed due to nearly 3 years of constant shitposting from the mage front."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939442 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:27:28")

">>62939337

They had READ the books. They have skipped the boring parts and went directly into "So what can my 5 dots in every sphere can do?".
There are no Mage players here."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939452 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:28:03")

">>62939338
Ok, is that you hateposter? You should stick to "kys hedgefag". More your style"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939481 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:30:23")

">>62939434
>I mean, by your own words, you do not play mage afterall?
Ran 3 campaigns, one still going.
Played 2, one ended recently.

Also yes, most people here are the most boring motherfuckers alive.
See >>62939378
Who thinks that just because some Mages with a familiar and spirit 2 can abuse the system through repeated spellcasting can refresh mana constantly, he will never have to worry about it.
Ignoring the death/destruction of his familiar, its recalcitrance to exist as a magic batter, or just not being a powergaming wad of cockcheese.

Also yeah, nobody here is going to convince you otherwise, because honestly being here is like wading through shit, while retarded imbred monkies bitch about how they're better than you because they're the ones throwing the most shit."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939496 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:31:16")

">>62939434
>>62939442

Actually, they have read Dave's posts, or better said, Dave's memes on Mage Supremacy, then maybe a pirated copy of Imperial Mysteries, and if you ask them what's a Chorister, they'll go to the wiki before telling a you a complete description."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939507 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:32:01")

">>62939481
Just pick a 1st dot spell of your Ruling Arcanum that you are going to use a lot to gain information, and put a Praxis in it. You will get ExSuccesses in it organically and naturally, so it's not even cheese. Mana isn't hard to come by in Mage. You don't even spend it for Ruling Arcana, Christ."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939546 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:35:00")

">>62939507
Do you honestly expect them to know how Mage works"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939548 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:35:03" && image=="Spoiler Image")

">>62939481
Tell me, why dont you try to make resident magefags into folks who realy understant their masturbation aid of choice then? I mean, we're all here forever anyways, so why not use the time to be productive?
Especialy since the, all seemingly have no ideas how to run/prepare a crossover free mage game in their heads

But i have to agree, all mageposters here seem like waacfags and powergamers"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939568 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:37:09")

">>62939548
I do on occasion.

But they just scream and bitch and cry and pretend that what I'm saying doesn't matter because of some retarded exploit they've devised, or contextually inappropriate and nowhere near guaranteed exceptional successes.

Or they fall back to pretending that every character has all Arcana and all Merits, and exists in a perfect white room where all they have to do is mind control this one guy, or throw an Unmaking spell at someone standing still in front of them, naked who's happy to let them spend several turns casting, or where they also just so happen to know Fate 2 and abuse it.

I've come to realise there's no saving these people."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939576 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:38:01")

">>62939237
>Strangely every mageplayer sheepishly follows the books exactly as written, never questioning anthing while playing a game with the theme of question everything...
>But hey, i'm dumb, right?
Yes, you are dumb, that's not what people do retard."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939597 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:39:17")

">>62939568

Banishers were right the whole time, friend.
Magic was a mistake."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939603 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:39:38")

">>62939597
Too bad it sounds like dave fucked them out of being cool in 2e."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939608 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:40:16")

">>62939568
Its not to late, everyone can be made a better person. Just look at concentration camps. There they made usefull use of child rapists, arsonists and jehovas wittnesses by metgod of forced labour. See, even the lowest of the low can be part of something good, sometimes you just have to force them a bit, although, summary execution also works"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939624 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:40:57")

">>62939603

I honestly don't really follow that much the crazy misadventures of Dave.
He is like Alice in Wonderland, but without charm."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939635 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:41:20")

">>62939603
The Timori made no sense as a lost Order, they were almost never mentioned outside of their own write-up, and they deserved what they got."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939646 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:41:58")

">>62939576
If that was the case, then the meme of mage supremacy wouldnt have held out for so long, because they cant be safe to assume that tgeir spells realy work as described or that the cosmos works as laid out."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939661 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:42:53")

">>62939608

Oh, please, stop trying to bait so low...
This is just... tiring."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939683 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:44:01")

">>62939635

Those are not even... ugh.
Stop. Get help."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939698 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:44:51")

">>62939635
They made sense as an insane group of zealots who think they are a lost order. They fit in perfectly."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939714 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:45:54")

">>62939646
Memes have never had anything to do with the actual game. Basing things on memes as reality makes you retarded. Please kill your self because you can't tell fantasy from reality and are a danger to those around you."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939734 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:47:17")

">>62939683
>Get help
In what, actually having read the book.
Timori are Banishers.
Gnosis-eating, mana-devouring semi-crystalline left-handed Banishers.

They're just not an actual lost Order, despite them liking to think they are.

Please consume your own penis you braindead freak."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939785 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:49:51")

"Who let the humor resistant haters back in?";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939842 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:54:01")

"Fuck it. New threat time";


if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939843 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:54:01")

">>62939734
And the problem with them is? Its not like any mage is actually from Atlantis or even has anything to actually do with it either. Its a myth they tell themselves, THAT WAS LITERALLY NEVER TRUE, due to the nature of the fall."
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if(Hedgefag && title=="" && postNumber==62939899 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:57:37" && image=="55541ff16c7c6d9f.jpg")

if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939927 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)20:59:22")

">>62939843
There's nothing wrong with them.
It's just they're no longer a lost Order, like their write-up insinuated."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62939964 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:03:14")

">>62939927
stripped of their mythology. how bland. like if an order had no background"
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62940001 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:06:26" && image=="The Truth of Atlantis.jpg")

">>62939843
Atlantis is just the name they use to refer to one of the many extinct civilizations that never existed, the one which most likely caused the Fall in the first place."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62940049 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:10:16")

">>62928905
>Prometheans can't give up their Divine Fire for any reason.

Mage: Huh? Hold my beer.."
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if(Anonymous && title=="" && postNumber==62940191 && dateTime=="11/09/18(Fri)21:21:40")

">>62940001
>The Truth of Atlantis.jpg
What's that from?"
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