'Cop or not these pics?';

'>>18076123
I'd recommend getting a Japanese brand instead. Oni or Tanuki for strange fabrics, TCB or Warehouse for recreations of vintage jeans. N&F annoyed me with tiny pockets, both in front and back. They are a cool color and all, and N&F is the king of gimmick fabrics but if you are patient then you can get far better gimmicky fabrics from Tankuki, Pure Blue Japan, and lots more on Denimio or Okayama Denim.

t. Bought N&F as his first fancy jeans, almost never wear them after buying Oni Secret Denim.';

'I went all the fucking way to Manhattan to buy their coated jeans from the brick and mortar location and when I got there the guy told me the pants were discontinued.';

'>>18076478
Will look into anon
>>18076505
Is the Manhattan location worth visiting or is it small?';

'Matcha ones seem kinda cool';

'If you're in Montreal go to Jeans Jeans Jeans and ask them to order the pants you want off their website. You'll pay the same price as listed on the site but in CAD. I've gone to the tate and yoko store, tried on a jacket, went to JJJ to order that jacket and then got the same one I tried on at Tate and Yoko, I could tell from a certain fold in the collar.
>>18076505
Your fault for being so dumb. All of their denim is limited edition.';

'>>18076538
lmaaaaao 232 for computer science jeans i cant';

'>>18076561
But they have a matcha green hue';

'>>18076561
This ones on sale at least';

'>>18076534
It's like one room. I wouldn't make the trip again, just order online in my opinion.';

'>>18076123
is slim cut finally dead are we back in our straight era';

'>>18076627
I like slim for dress pants but not jeans';

'>>18076478
>>18076534
N&F is Japanese, they just import the denim from Japan and put it together in Canada.';

'>>18076859
Why is Japanese denim good? Is this a case of
>Thing vs Japanese Thing';

'>>18076859
>and put it together in Canada.
so, they're canadian';

'>>18076861
Constructed on old looms that are able to either reproduce the denim the way it was before Levi's and others switched to their current manufacturing processes, and also make completely unique denim weaves by adjusting the tension and materials used in the weaving process. Cone Mills used to make denim in the USA with similar looms that were the stock fabric for Levi's going back decades, they went out of business and Vidalia Mills bought up most of their old machinery and continue that heritage in the US and have employed some of the old Cone Mills employees that have the skills to produce denim on those old machines.';

'>>18076894
They increased the rise a bit on the Weird guy cut and the True guy cut is a bit higher than that';

'>>18076890
Sounds like when weebs talk about how samurai swords are sharper than any blade';

'>>18076957
No it's more like the American companies like Levi's started valuing quantity over quality and changed their manufacturing processes to suit that, while Japs were getting really autistic about buying up and recreating the original denim fabrics as authentically as they could, which resulted in their own unique denim industry. There were Japs buying up truckloads of used and deadstock vintage Levi's in the 80's and 90's they were so obsessed with it.';

'>>18076890
japs bought every single single shuttle loom from america last century when we abandoned our industry and started scrapping them. as time went on japs learned to modify these looms and operate them with higher skill than in the past. things like 21oz jeans used to be seen as technically impossible. the machines selvedge denim is made on are practically museum pieces and its actually kind of a miracle that they still exist.
that being said there's really nothing bad about modern projectile looms either. you can't make nearly as cool of fabrics with it but its insane how fast they shit out denim. its like watching an industrial printer. efficient, but soulless and lifeless.';

'>>18076861
nobody else operates shuttle looms anymore. the last pic i posted is cone mills the last running american denim mill and it went bankrupt a while ago.';

'>>18076123
n&f is great if their fits work for you.
>>18076894
they dropped the low rise. most of their current fits are mid rise, with some high rise choices. some of the cuts where the name didn't change like weird guy got updated.
>>18076957
there is some degree of jap worship going on in the western market but for the most part its a case of "shuttle loom better" and japs being the only autistic fuckers who have any shuttle looms anymore.';

'>>18076984
There's still a few companies selling jeans with deadstock Cone Mills fabric, like Left Field and Bravestar, and Vidalia Mills bought up the old Cone Mills looms and is continuing that MiUSA heritage, Left Field has some random Vidalia Mills fabrics in stock right now.';

'>>18076991
>and Vidalia Mills bought up the old Cone Mills looms and is continuing that MiUSA heritage
i'm out of the loop, that's based.';

'Overpriced';

'>>18077203
lol how? their entire business exists to circumvent the massive tariffs north america has on importing jeans.
actually don't tell me.
if you know a way to weave denim in a first world country and construct + sew jeans out of it in a first world country any cheaper than naked & famous does, you're about to be a very rich man!';

'>>18077215
Because you can get high quality jeans for cheaper';

'>>18076123
Are denim autists crazier than the perfume or watch autists?';

'>>18077223
like what?';

'>>18077232
Yes. see >>18077215 >>18077234';

'>>18077238
legitimate retard.';

'>>18077232
honey they got the denimchuds!!!';

'>>18077232
Yes. See >>18077241 >>18077240';

'>>18077243
its pretty rich getting called crazy by a guy who just made a statement like its fact then bitched out on proving it.
the mind of an insane retard.';

'>>18077223
>cheaper
poorfaggot never had a job zoomer detected
opinion discarded';

'>>18077246
>>18077245
More expensive doesn't mean better. The other anon comparing you to perfume autists is spot on. Low IQ brains';

'>>18077232
No, because at least jeans are noticeable aspects of an outfit.';

'>>18077247
>More expensive doesn't mean better.
this is an empty and meaningless platitude until you prove it. show me a better pair of jeans than $98 unbranded 14oz's or $150 n&f left hand twills. you have a chance right now to show /fa/ you're not a retard.';

'>>18077247
>living by a scarcity mentality so bad that $150 of 2024 hyperinflation money is "expensive" for a pair of pants
holy lol this board declined get a job loser
the cashier at my local mcdonalds makes enough in a day to buy a pair';

'>>18077250
>>18077249
>If I overspend on Jeans that means they're better and I'm smart
No it means your a vapid consumer who falls easily for advertising';

'>>18077262
This is the consoomer board bro. You might be in the wrong place.';

'>>18077262
>vapid consumer
ive designed jeans that were made with cone mills denim and sold at roughly the same price point at n&f. the profit margins aren't as big as you think. naked and famous' made in china jeans retail for $18 more than a pair of levi's and are made on a shuttle loom with a objectively nicer, heavier weight fabric. naked & famous's standard jeans retail at exactly the cost of 2 pairs of levi's and are made in canada+japan. trust me when i say the profit margin on a shitty pair of levi's is higher. you're not getting as good of a "deal" as you think you are.

>falls easily for advertising
>Instead of relying on celebrity endorsements and expensive ad campaigns, we devote all of our resources to sourcing the world's best fabric and turning it into awesome jeans. No advertising, no washes, no pre-distressing, no nonsense. Just excellent denim at a reasonable price.
nigger i bought my first selvedge jeans when you had to translate japanese websites and google translate didn't exist yet. blow me.';

'i remember when blueowl was run out of jay's apartment and you had to call and make an appointment to buy pants. i found out about selvedge by finding a pair of vintage jeans in a thrift store in the early 2000's. noticed they were significantly nicer than any jeans i had ever worn before, flipped the cuffs one day and my mom of all people noticed and started telling me how much she missed those jeans you used to have to shrink in the bath tub when you got them. then i found out some guy down the street started importing japanese denim and running a boutique out of his house. it was pretty much the coolest botique i had been to and the owner was chill as fuck so i started shilling him on sufu and styleforum and shit once they came to be. yeah man i really fell for advertising.';

'my jeans are made by a japanese nerd with autism on machines from the 1890's
your jeans contributed $433 million dollars to promoting LGBT inclusion in 2023';

'>>18077291
>>18077285
>>18077293
Kek Denim autists got set off';

'Is weird guy their normal fit?';

'>>18077232
No. The perfume threads should not exist and the watch threads are exclusively fatty-boombatties';

'>>18077247
But like what jeans? Wranglers?';

'>>18077654
yes it's the relaxed tapered fit, which is the most normie modern cut
if you have no idea or preference for what to choose it's the best start';

'>>18077812
What's not normies then? Skinny jeans? Why would that one be called Weird then?';

'>>18076982
good info thx bruh';

'>>18076982
How much is a shuttle loom? Is it feasible to start your own denim gig?';

'>>18077232
moreso stupid
>wow woven on archaic machinery this is authentic
>let me consider n&f skinny cut mixed with green dye
>cant wait for these to fades which will take a year of constantly wearing
>ends up buying 5 jeans and never goes out

despite 4chan making these "worthwhile" denim threads i have never seen a homegrown fade progress here or collection; and even if they did they scream to everyone poorfag whereas at most they spent a fraction of what watch, cologne would be';

'>>18077980
the worst part about these threads is the people that hate denim, come into the thread to tell everyone they hate denim and then never give any alternatives or post any fits themselves';

'>>18077987
>then never give any alternatives
what is google and every previous page - you think the game has really changed for the past 10 years

>post any fits themselves
>let me post this 1 pair again and again for months';

'>>18077998
I don't think you understood what I posted.';

'>>18078000
I don't think you understood how right they are';

'I'm wearing their True guy fit. I don't like skinny or tapered fits and never did, but wanted to try them, so these are my pants for not leaving the house. I cancelled my order for a weird guy, I think it only works well on manlets so I'm avoiding that brand after they restock on their strong guy in black.';

'>>18077980
>i have never seen a homegrown fade progress here or collection
i post my fades at the end of every season -- end of last denim thread.
but ya agree i've seen zero wrangler progressions get posted ever since i started the wrangler meme. i've been sitting on my ass playing video games all winter i'm sure someone has better fades to share.

>>18077819
wym by normal?
probably weird guy or true guy.

>>18077987
most of those posts are made by the pajeet who made 60 new threads about his linen pants from amazon.com last month. mental illness or something.

>>18077586
retard nigger ook ook';

'>>18077998
in case you missed my last post
>this is an empty and meaningless platitude until you prove it.
got any examples that aren't wrangler/rustler? i started that meme so it doesn't count.';

'>>18078055
I wear Weird guy because all the stores that sell naked and famous only had that. I just try one that feels nice and choose that';

'>>18078148
>i post my fades
He replies without posting his fades kek';

'>>18078161
>this is an empty and meaningless platitude until you prove it

>but 1 guy posting walmart wranglers every 4 months (supposedly) makes up for a billion threads';

'>>18076123
Check for local brands. I am in SOCAL and buy from these guys - you can go in to the shop for mtm from their patterns.

https://railcarfinegoods.com/collections/shop-mens';

'>>18078217
heres the last pic i took of my wrangley dangleys. been washed again since this pic cause i stepped in dog shit.

>>18078247
railcar is based. their women's cuts are really good i've bought them for a few girlfriends.';

'>>18078218
cheap summer work jeans';

'where does one start for some nice jeans';

'the anti denim sperg fears the $50 denim tuxedo
$22 jacket $30 jeans (two choices)

>>18078298
japan blue
tcb
sugar cane
n&f / nudie if you want something you can find irl easily';

'>>18078304
thank you';

'Yikes';

'Where should I get belts from? I wear belts everyday really';

'>>18076558
I’ll be in Montreal this summer. Can I buy jeans off the rack at jeans jeans jeans?
>>18076478
I don’t want to say you’re right yet, but my first fancy pair were also naked and famous. They were nice but already are falling apart. My Japanese denim brands are a step up. Right now I have samurai, sugar cane, Kapital, and Japan blue jeans. They’re all nice.';

'>>18078497
>Can I buy jeans off the rack at jeans jeans jeans?
yes';

'I have the made in japan okayama spirit and they're real nice but desu I wish they had a higher rise.';

'N&F is alright but their cuts only really work on twinks. True Guy or Weird Guy are their best fits imo- everything else is kinda memey';

'>>18078304
fuck the wranglers would look amazing in the same colour as the uniqlos. Where's the jacket from too?';

'thoughts on Lee jeans? which cut is the best?

I'm tall and kinda skinny, already own two pairs of 13MWZ';

'>>18078527
>Lee jeans?
Better value everything in this thread.';

'>>18078530
guessing you're from europe? lee's are a lot more expensive in america than europe/asia for some reason.

>>18078506
levi's trucker non-selvedge non-lvc https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/sale/mens-sale/outerwear/trucker-jacket/p/723340207';

'>>18078565
what the absolute fuck is that model holy shit';

'worn vs new
been wearing left a lot lately because they're soft like sweatpants. grayer in person than in pics. keeping my eye out for a slubby mid weight black denim in anything from a slim-straight to a loose cut.';

'>>18078567
evisu x puma from around 2007-ish
they looked like picrel when they were new. other than the cut they came in like 5+ dif cuts.';

'some japan blues i practically lived in';

'some galbi i'm marinating for tomorrow';

'>>18078494
Phone charger';

'>>18078494
belts for jeans or what kind of pants?

budget?
random sellers on etsy/ebay (power word: full grain)
https://www.thirteen50leather.com/
https://www.etsy.com/shop/EternalLeatherGoods

my favorite belts personally no budget:
https://www.filson.com/accessories/belts-suspenders/1-1-4-bridle-leather-belt-2.html
www.pigeontree.com';

'>>18078506
>wranglers same color as the uniqlos
vintage wranglers with the cone mills white oak would be really close to that btw. just a slightly thinner fabric.
they did a re-issue of them about a year ago too. you might be able to find a pair in your size 2nd hand.';

'>>18078565
>>18078575
fuuuuuck i can't believe i sold my pair on depop for like $80';

'>>18078639
You wear these with jeans?';

'>>18078694
yeah 1.25-1.5" belt for jeans
bit thinner for chinos
and you want a totally different kind of belt for trousers/dress pants
full grain veg tan is a good one to start with if you want something that ages with your jeans (starts off stiff and bright colored and kinda ugly, ages to a chocolate color and softens up/molds to your body. cheap belt with a v good end result.)
and bridal leather is my go to for soft-right-away-but-also-indestructible belts.
you can find either one pretty readily online for like $50-100 with basic hardware or a bit more for handmade or more custom hardware.

>>18078663
youtube guy i stole the pic of them in their raw state from said they're actually still pretty easy to find because they made so many & gave them out for free to puma store employees. be aware they came in a ton of cuts if you try to find some. i think 7+ counting the women's. the good ones (imo) are the straight cut, the relaxed cut (what i have) and the super relaxed cut. the straight's still pretty relaxed. p cool jeans the fabric's totally different than evisu's normal no.3 stuff. i think like 80-150 is going rate for deadstock-ish pairs.';

'>>18078652
>>18078506
Wranglers are a meme';

'>>18078575
oh I was actually making fun of the male model wearing the jacket on the levis site.';

'>>18079468
He's cute';

'>>18079468
Oh. That's a ghoul from Fallout.';

'>>18079468
looooooooooooool';

'>>18076125
>>18076123
Looks boring for how much they cost';

'>>18076123
What's unique about these tried and true ones. Anyone get them?';

'are iron heart really worth $340 over momos, sugar cane, pbj? i prefer a very slow fader.';

'>>18079537
and yet N&F consistently have the most interesting fabrics on the market

>>18076123
love their jeans, love their linen button downs';

'>>18080737
I’ve worn in a couple pairs of sugar cane, samurais, and iron heart. This is my 25 oz iron hearts that I’ve been wearing the least 16 months with another pair of samurais. If I could only choose one company out of all the others, Iron Heart would undoubtedly sit at the top. Of course it’s all going to depend on whether their cuts are going to fit you, but they have the most straight forward, robust jeans with a sexy aesthetic compared to everything else. They make them with literally every possible structurally beneficial feature you could think of. They’re certainly not slubby, but I highly prefer how clean the denim texture is and how soft it gets when they’re worn in. And yes, they take forever to fade. Their 21 oz fabric is literally perfect';

'>>18076123
Any recommendations for brands that do high quality very light wash jeans? I'm having a nightmare trying to find a pair of medium or high raise, straight fit, 30x34 jeans in a very light blue stone wash.';

'>>18080755
i was considering their 888 and maybe 633 black/black.';

'>>18080755
>>18080861
14oz. whats the purpose of heavy 21oz jeans?';

'>>18080861
I’ve worn their 634 and multiple pairs of 888. For me, the 888 is perfect, but the medium rise with the 633/634 might be for you depending on what types of jeans already fit you best. The taper on the 888 and 633 are perfect, it’s not too narrow to wear the hem is hugging your ankles. It’s such a barely noticeable taper that you’re still able to drape your hem over any boots you want to wear and you still get a really sexy leg silhouette';

'>>18080866
Their 21 oz is the Goldilocks zone. It’s really not too heavy or thick, but it’s definitely thicker than a standard 14 oz. Also, they’re incredibly comfortable and easy to break in when you first get them. When you wear them in and they soften up, they’re incredible. There’s really no point to wearing heavier weight other than your own preference. I will say though that I don’t recommend their 25 oz';

'I recommend rogue territory. Their stanton jeans are the cut n&f have been trying to pull off this whole time. I've spent years in n&f though, you cant go wrong with the core stuff. Just don't fall for their memes. Picrel are my double blacks that don't fit anymore cause I lost a shitton of weight. I might try and get them tailored.';

'Is there anything more faggy and signifying of the low-T numale millennial than selvedge denim? These are the types of people who kneel for "People of Color" and want everyone's kids' 2nd grade teachers to teach them about pronouns and gay sex.

To make it even worse they soiface even harder when it's from le heckin' animetown (Japan).';

'>>18080884
I’m literally far right nationalist and love jap denim. You can pull off any outfit as long as you’re attractive. If the soi males weren’t wearing selvedge, they would be looking like goofballs in any other outfit they are trying to wear. If you hate selvedge, there’s nothing wrong with a pair of wranglers';

'>>18080884
>Is there anything more faggy and signifying of the low-T numale millennial than selvedge denim? These are the types of people who kneel for "People of Color" and want everyone's kids' 2nd grade teachers to teach them about pronouns and gay sex.
>To make it even worse they soiface even harder when it's from le heckin' animetown (Japan).';

'>>18076123
I bought a pair of weird guy jeans about 12 years ago. I thought they were a little expensive compared to my usual levi's. I still wear them and they've never had any rips or blowouts anything like that. very comfortable. i don't do anything special to take care of them either. for context, every pair of 60$ (or however much they cost) levi's i've had have blown out in the crotch after like 6 months - a year.';

'>>18080870
im going to wear shoes like the AJ1. will the leg opening cover the shoe laces?';

'>>18080975
I would think so. I wear my 888 jeans with engineer boots and they are able to go over the boot shafts';

'>>18080884
i'm a white nationalist i build and remodel houses.

>>18080737
no. look at the pricing in japan relative to other jeans. iron heart's global pricing is completely arbitrary and inflated. that being said: when you make a product that high quality, you can get away with that. their target market doesn't care about the price or relative value.

>>18080866
i like 17-21oz because the thicker fabric is just that little bit more protective and just that little bit easier on my knees when i'm on them all day. while still being light enough they don't feel rediculous to wear. 21oz's turn into sweatpants after 3ish washes when the starch is all gone.';

'thoughts on these momos? would it be a nice pairing with IH 21oz black?';

'>>18078497
JJJ is great. The store in not particularly impressive looking, very low cost set up, but their prices are unbeatable. Service is great. If you plan to do the order thing expect a delay of maybe 1 week, but they have plenty of stuff in stock. I bought the easy guy pagodas for $150 CAD while they were still $300 USD on tate and yoko. I recommend going during the week because the weekends are packed. They're also great at finding what you want just from you describing it.';

'I bought unbranded
what am i in for bros?';

'>>18081273
overprice walmart tier denim';

'>>18080755
I wish I would’ve seen them in Japan. I didn’t find a single pair of iron hearts in Tokyo. But I did get a nice pair of century denim Kapital jeans';

'n&f it isn't quick and easy to put your id and cc in the coin pocket. are japanese denim the same way? i like keeping them in there with pocket cash.';

'>>18081220
momo natural taper is a great cut. never had black denim from them. i did 15.7oz momos with 21oz n&fs as my rotation for years in a northern climate and it was great year round. eventually i copped some 10oz's for el nino cycle summers.';

'I got my first pair if raw denim jeans and after 2 months the pockets are all starting to fray from normal use, and so are the cuffs. I've never had $40 plastic thread jeans wear out so fast. Cotton is a fucking meme and raw denim is the biggest meme of all.';

'>>18081282
very brand to brand & theres 2 big categories of jap jeans.
repro jeans are all going to give you pretty usable pocket front openings, most of them have kind of small pocket bags and small rear pockets because they are reproductions of vintage levi's. for the most part they all have a standard levi's style coin pocket.
then theres modernized stuff. can be all over the place from n&f tier to really good. jap brands tend to give very generous pocket bags but pocket openings and coin pocket usability are kind of hit or miss you gotta kinda lurk reddit/forums and ask the spergs or try on to truly know.
best coin pocket ive ever had/seen is on those evisu's i posted earlier itt. large and generously sized, pretty deep, snap rivet that allows you to open it, and lined. wish they did something similar on more of their jeans.';

'are the 21oz IH perfectly wearable for pnw summer?';

'>>18081273
They're alright budget versions of NF. The cuts are weird for some people but their relaxed tapered is perfect for me. Great if you get them on sale.
Pic related are my 21 oz UBs next to a new pair of NF.
>>18081288
>Buys jeans that are supposed to show aging
>Complains when they show aging
Many such cases';

'any company that makes non-fading jeans?';

'>>18081645
i did roofs in 21oz's in washington for a few summers, was fine. i'd prefer a 15oz or a 10oz in the summer tho.';

'>>18081754
reactive dyed or hank dyed jeans are the key words you want to look for.
black jeans are very easy to find.
reactive dyed indigo jeans are harder to find but exist at normal jeans prices.
n&f makes them. a lot of jap brands have done a run of them at some point in time. they're not too hard to find once you know what to look for. they tend to be limited runs so you may have to be patient or look on secondary market.
hank dyed jeans start at like $600 on up to around 2k.

reactive = the dye itself is made not to fade
hank dyed = dyed with normal indigo all the way to the core of the yarn';

'>>18081769
Do you have a preference between the two?';

'>>18081645
I live in Washington and wear their 21 oz for the summers. Any jeans you wear in the summer are going to be hot, so to me the difference in heat between wearing some wranglers and IH is not noticeable really';

'>>18081703
I didn't think aging began after 2 months. I won't be buying expensive jeans anymore. Cheap ones last longer and still show age evenetually. Much later.';

'>>18081943
debating on whether to get the IH 14oz or 21oz.';

'>>18076123
>>18076478
Second for TCB, I'm wearing their 50s jeans right now. The quality you get at their price point is truly impressive, they could charge way more than they do and still have customers. Mind you TCB's focus is on reverse engineering vintage denim, the 50s are a proper straight cut all the way down, so if you want something tapered or skinny, their offerings probably aren't the best.
>>18076861
Japan used to be where post-war America would outsource to for cheap labor, after awhile the Japanese got pretty good at certain things, including jeans. Then the Americans outsourced to China because it was even cheaper, leaving behind all their vintage looms, sewing machines, and most importantly, a talented work base. The dude who started TCB worked 9 years in an unnamed jean factory that he heavily implies was Levi. He bought up a bunch of their old machines and started his own brand.';

'>>18081951
They’re both going to be great, but in my opinion the 21 oz is just a better Jean and is always the way to go especially if you’re going to be spending $350. It has the perfect amount of thickness to it, but it also softens up and drapes really nicely when they’re fully broken in. Like I said, even if you wear 14 oz, the summer is going to be hot as shit and there’s going to be an unnoticeable difference in body heat if you wear 21 oz instead.';

'>>18076627
I don't like Japanese straight cuts. Way too wide for me at the leg opening. I like Slim Straight or natural taper.';

'>>18077293
and yet you still pull absolutely no bitches';

'>>18081947
>>18082041';

'>>18081958
But TCB also has slim offerings on their webpage, can you bteak down each model and on which Levis are they based off?';

'>>18081975
21oz it is. any thoughts on stretch denim?';

'>>18082126
I can’t really give any opinions. I’m highly partial to the standard 100% cotton raw denim because of how soft it gets and how it forms to your body once you break it in. I’d highly suggest trying the jeans on in person instead of buying online. If you live in SW Washington, Self Edge in Portland has a good selection of IH. If you’re in the puget sound area, the only other store in the area I know of that carries IH is The Shop in Vancouver';

'>>18082278
Yeah, they have a great selection of Samurai, Momotaro and N&F denim, but no IH. Still worth checking out at least for the Samurai jeans';

'>>18082275
While in Tokyo I was surprised to find that my size ranged 4 sizes depending on the mfr. Usually I’m just one size. It was good to be there to try on different sizes and have someone there to size me up.';

'do you guys were denim jackets too? momo black type two looks so good.';

'>>18076558
>>18081255

JeansJeansJeans is great, the staff actually know what they sell. If you want to stroll into Tate Yoko it look nice but it's also "unkept" in the sense that it was probably never touched after the initial launch and it's kinda falling appart. The clerks are also always clueless.';

'>>18082449
of course
type ii is the best 90% of the time
damn i need a black one once this one gets faded more';

'>>18082474
Are the items less expensive than ordering online? I';

'>>18082313
Oh yeah, it’s pretty wild. If you don’t have the option of traveling to the nearest city to try on selvedge in person, you absolutely need to always reference the size charts online. I’m always a size 33 in wranglers and Levi’s, but I’m a size 34 in IH and Samurai.';

'is starching your denim based or cringe?';

'>>18082553
based.
if you starch your jeans without ironing to avoid the ironed creases in the front i highly highly suggest spending the 10bux to get the pre-made aerosol cans of spray starch. don't try to make your own. diy is fine for the ironing method but you wont ever get good enough atomization for even coverage from a hand pump sprayer without thinning out the starch too much i've tried a bunch of times. uneven coverage can kinda make it look like you puked on your jeans for a while till the high points wear off.';

'more people should starch their jeans imo. it lets you wash them early, and often while still getting a lot of the advantages of not washing such as not losing all your creases & being able to get honeycombs (or better combs) on jeans you wash a lot.
on the jeans i starch i wear them hard for like 3mo or however long it takes for me to feel like the creases have permanently set in then i start laundering and washing them whenever i feel like it, pretty often, starch after and they've turned out great. i starched the wranglers ive posted earlier 2x so far and its currently all washed out of them in the pics. they're still pretty new-ish though, not very strong fades yet.';

'got n&f black cobra in easy and weird guy. both 35" waist but easy guy fits a bit looser and weird fits tighter. is it because of the slightly bigger thighs on the easy guy? should i try sizing down on easy guy? got them both on Amazon so i can easily return them.';

'>>18076991
And cone mills is still making selvage in mexico and plenty of brands are happy to sell their new "cone mills selvage" without mentioning its not made in usa';

'>>18082096
>can you bteak down each model and on which Levis are they based off?
Most of the tcb jeans are reproductions of different years of levis 501. That jean has changed a lot in the last 100 years.
I would suggest not getting the wartime model, those are sewn badly on purpose for historical accuracy to the jeans made during rationing in ww2
The cats drive are based on old Lees
Denimio has stock on some of the pairs that are sold out on tcbs website.
I would suggest the 50s model
>>18082887
Naked and famous jeans don't have consistent sizing between fabrics in the same cut (levis doesn't either)
Their website has accurate measurement charts for each batch so reference those before ordering.';

'>>18082934
im basically trying to use n&f sizing as reference for other jeans like momo and ih.';

'>>18082944
The only real way to do that is to measure your own jeans using whatever store you plan on ordering from's size chart. Even if you found the posted measurements of the exact cut and fabric of N&F that fit you, there's no guarantee that your specific pair doesn't have some variance that changes the fit or that the way the N&F retailer measures is consistent with the IH or MoMo retailer';

'>>18082934
>would suggest not getting the wartime model, those are sewn badly on purpose for historical accuracy to the jeans made during rationing in ww2
Kek based';

'>>18076982
>you can't make nearly as cool of fabrics with it
You could if you made them for it. It's just not worth it since almost no one cares about high quality denim, so people don't.
The cheap mass produced stretch "denim" is far more popular and sells far better at scale.';

'>>18082944
>im basically trying to use n&f sizing as reference for other jeans like momo and ih.
These brands also usually post sizing charts for each batch of denim.
Measure a pair you own compare to the measurement chart for that specific batch
Ignore tagged waist sizes';

'>>18083292
Yeah ive seen some pretty interesting denim woven on modern projectile looms.
Those ancient machines the japs are using aren't gonna last another 30 years so someone will have to figure it out at some point.';

'>>18077285
>>18077293
Denim autists are based. We need more clothes autism. We need to keep clothes autism going until we have wool and linen autists who will only buy stuff grown and made in Europe on old fashioned machines and we have a good textiles and clothes industry again.';

'>>18083619
they can weave on ancient angelo-saxon looms

https://youtu.be/gDxsg1YW620';

'>>18083718
momotaro does sell hand-loomed jeans made like that kek
very pricy though';

'>>18080743
wtf that mean, I can make a pretty interesting fabric by having my cat carve up some jeans.';

'>>18082474
The only reason to go into tate and yoko is to try on something to order to JJJ
>>18082503
Yes. I have never been able to find a better deal on an item than at JJJ.';

'>>18082887
Reference the size chart on the website. Easy guy is a looser fit. The easy guy is larger while I think weird guy is ttf';

'>>18082934
>I would suggest not getting the wartime model, those are sewn badly on purpose for historical accuracy to the jeans made during rationing in ww2
Next level autism.';

'>>18083619
If anyone can maintain those things into the next century it's the japs.';

'Any sashiko fans?';

'button or zipper fly?';

'>>18084016
I use to like zippers but now prefer buttons. Zippers are still fine though';

'>>18083925
>If anyone can maintain those things into the next century it's the japs.
The interviews with some of the denim factory owners ive read say they are basically stuck cannibalizing broken looms for parts to keep fixing the ones that still work, the owner of one factory said they could maybe keep them going for another 20 years. But after that they are sol
It doesn't help that making these 20+ oz denims beat the shit out of the machines.
Im hoping they will be able to 3d print replacement parts with some sintered metal process to keep things going.';

'>>18084046
Why can't they just make new ones?';

'opinions on 3sixteen?';

'>>18084315
Pretty good, some of their stuff is made in India. Shirts mostly from what I remember. I think their jeans are made in the US, but double check.';

'does anybody buy anything else besides denim from these company? the pricing on IH flannels is the same as their jeans. that's insane.';

'>>18084474
Yeah, I own 4 of their flannels, one zip up hoodie, a couple type III jackets, and some of their socks. It’s expensive, but I just think their designs are perfect and their clothes just age beautifully';

'>>18084839
their flannels worth the price tag of their denim?';

'>>18084904
I mean, speaking as someone who owns a bunch of their shit, even the denim realistically isn’t worth $350. That being said, the denim and the flannels are legitimately the nicest I’ve ever worn. I have a couple pairs of samurais that I’ve worn through, and I’ve also owned multiple Pendleton and Filson flannels, but IH legit blows them both out of the water imo. The flannel in the western cut is perfectly shaped, the design of it is sexy, the interior is ultra soft and comfortable, the weight is perfect, and every season they will have one or two colorways that are gorgeous. When you wear one, you realize it’s the endgame of flannels, but it unfortunately comes with a price';

'>>18085069
shill me on their hoodie? also how constantly do you wash all of them?';

'>>18085072
Their zip up hoodie is great. The sizing was kind of hard to get right desu, but luckily I live near self edge in Portland so I was able to go try it on. Similar to their flannels, the hoodie is soft on the inside, and has the perfect weight. It’s not lightweight, but it certainly isn’t too heavy. I wash my flannels and hoodie as frequently as my jeans which is about once per month with regular use. If you get stenched by a campfire I guess you’ll want to wash it, but the fabric does a good job at aerating and not really smelling bad as long as you have good hygiene. Shit isn’t cheap, but honestly once you buy a pair of jeans and a flannel you’ll immediately become part of the cult. The fabric looks a bit goofy and crisp at first, but everything ages better than anything I’ve ever seen/felt. On top of that, they generally will incorporate every single structural feature into their clothes that is possible. For example, samurais jeans in comparison do not sew their belt loops underneath the waistband, they by majority do not have lined back pockets, and they use cotton thread for stitching which is more prone to deterioration and failure. IH on the other hand incorporates all those things and uses poly/cotton mixture for the thread for added stability. Yeah, maybe these things are just splitting hairs and don’t make much difference in the long run, but it matters to me that they put in that extra labor if I’m paying that much for their clothes';

'>>18084315
Nice stuff and I’ve seen it in person but never bought any. They were too slim for me.';

'>>18076123
I have a couple. They're nice.
I put one of the stickers they come with on my laptop and someone's mom bitched at me about it while I was at the library.';

'>>18085088
Hows the selection at the portland Self Edge? Don't live far from portland, not really a denim guy but might stop when im there';

'>>18077215
>if you know a way to weave denim in a first world country and construct + sew jeans out of it in a first world country any cheaper than naked & famous does, you're about to be a very rich man!
Brave Star';

'>>18080755
Is there an Iron Heart model with a high waist and straight legged?';

'>>18085117
It's 100% worth going. They have one of the largest selections of IH clothing in the US, and it looks like they still have a decent stock supply of all their cuts in the 21 oz and overdyed 21 oz. Even if they don't have a specific pair in stock that you're interested in, you would at least be able to try on their different IH cuts to see which cut is right for you, what your size is, and what fabric weight you like so that if you find something from a different retailer in your size you can order it knowing its going to fit you perfectly. They also should have their hoodies and flannels, so you'll be able to size them in person as well

>>18085132
The 1955 is their straight leg high rise model, but unfortunately they just made another batch after not making them in like 1-2 years and it immediately sold out. Their 888 cut is straight tapered with high rise and honestly I think its a perfectly shaped jean. The taper is very minimal compared to most selvedge companies' tapered cuts, so you'll be able to fit the legs over a pair of boots without cuffing.';

'>>18085144
>The 1955 is their straight leg high rise model, but unfortunately they just made another batch after not making them in like 1-2 years and it immediately sold out
Yeah I just looked for it on the Japanese 2nd hand websites and I couldn't really find one, found one with flared bell bottoms though.
Must be really rare.';

'>>18085163
Its the one cut that they rarely produce. I think I remember reading on their forum that its because they can only produce so much with shuttle looms and their other cuts generally sell more often. Kind of retarded if you ask me because I feel like more people would prefer wearing a straight leg high rise as opposed to an ultra skinny fit';

'>>18085168
>I feel like more people would prefer wearing a straight leg high rise as opposed to an ultra skinny fit
Yeah it's people stuck in a millennia 2010 mindset who can't break out of it.
It's very annoying to me.';

'>>18085169
Gonna riff on this some more.
There is a cool store near me that caries all sorts of awesome brands including selvedge but all he ever carries is slim fit jeans, and some slim tapered.';

'>>18084287
The manufacturers who originally built them are gone. To make new custom ones would cost astronomical prices that would put them out of business. This is just my guess.';

'I have a pair of IH jeans and I think cuffing is GAY';

'>>18085525
I used to cuff and I recently got all my jeans hemmed because its very goofy';

'Levi’s Vintage Clothing 1966 501s for 206 USD. Yes or no? It would be my first pair of selvedge denim. They are shrink to fit though which is kinda spooky.';

'How often does TCB restock';

'>>18085525
>>18085663
i think big cuff is gay and ugly. mini is ok.

why do people wear their denim so tight? people way fatter than me wearing a smaller size is crazy.';

'>>18085069
Better than vintage wool Pendleton flannel?';

'Can anyone recommend me a light pait of jeans for summer? Thin, soft fabric, between straight and skinny.
Any price.';

'>>18086190
target goodfellows';

'>>18086169
In my opinion yeah. Equally, if not better build quality, and they’re certainly more comfortable than Pendleton. It just comes down to your own preference for aesthetic differences and wool vs cotton';

'>>18085883
Nah, get a pair of these once they're in stock.
https://tcbjeans.myshopify.com/collections/jeans/products/tcb-60s-jeans-one-wash';

'>>18085891
They usually restock 2 or 3 styles a month.';

'>>18085962
I’m down with a single flip up for cuffing. But yeah, the slim/skinny Jean shit needs to die';

'>>18086265
i like baggy jeans/pants on a short girl and skinny on a tall girl';

'>>18086190
Saw someone in one of these threads talking about 2x1 denim, apparently it's comparable to linen.';

'how do you guys keep your denim when you're not wearing them? fold them and put them on top of a dresser? hang them away from clean clothes?';

'>>18086438
Store em in the piss tub like god intended';

'>>18086190
My 12oz 2009 sugar canes fit that description. They’ll be my summer blue jeans';

'Leg twist need it or sneed it? I’m sneeding it and would prefer if my expensive weeb jeans hadn’t had it and wish to know how to reverse it.';

'>>18086639
Need it, it's cool.';

'>>18086643
I spent about 3 hours trying to fold it straight because of my ocd and failed. I wish I would’ve noticed this while trying on my expensive weeb denim. I didn’t have it with my Japanese blue jeans and naked famous jeans. But now with sugar cane and samurai I do. I suppose I can learn to live with it.';

'>>18085962
Small cuff for slim jeans big cuff for big jeans';

'>>18085168
Nah the IH fanboys are all die hard painted on jeans bros. And I say this wearing a pair of OD 888s right now. I had to size up in them to get a more regular fit in the leg and they're still less comfortable or versatile than my repro style jeans.

I think a lot of it comes down to the core IH cuts like the 634 being patterned for the Asian market where people are shorter and much slimmer on average. So what comes off as a mid/high rise 501 repro there becomes a hip hugging slim straight in the West. And then with cuts like the 888 that were apparently developed with the western market in mind, they still cut them according to slim fit bro preferences, so the relaxed taper is only relaxed on people who can fit IH's slim fits. On athletic legs it sits like a slim/skinny unless you size up

Luckily there are brands like Sugar Cane, TCB, and Full Count making proper straight leg pants. A lot of them are gonna be repro style with cotton thread and such, but if you don't mind keeping up with repairs, they can look really cool really fast as all the little patches accumulate';

'>>18084016
button fly but i'll take either if i don't have a choice. you know how zip-up hoodies can make it look like you have a gut when you're sitting? sometimes i get that with my crotch w/ zip flies.

>>18084315
good shit if you want modern cuts. their pre-wash black jacket fucks pretty hard.

>>18084474
>>18084904
its probably not worth it if you're considering raw value per dollar.
its probably worth it from a "best cotton flannel money can buy" perspective.

>>18086714
i always saw strike gold as the repro cut equivalent to iron heart, their fabrics are similar and they offer all the heavy weight shit. granted with cotton thread and its a meme your back pocket's going to fall off in 9mo.

>>18085525
i always hem my jeans 1" too long and mini cuff. after 2 washes they're uncuffed. no risk of high watering my jeans.
bonus: i think hem cracking looks really cool.

>>18085883
seconding tcb. pre-shrunk, higher quality repros than lvc, cheaper.
>>18085891
sugar cane 1966 is a solid alternative.

>>18086190
2x1 twill 8-10oz is goated. breathes like linen drapes like denim.
i'm not sure who sells any right now other than mister freedom (good brand, comes up on google) mine are a REALLY early n&f pair with the old tags and zero mention of them existing online.

>>18086438
hang them by the belt loops or using bar-clamp style hangers. don't fold your jeans it can eventually fade into them.

>>18086639
NEED IT on straight cut jeans.
SNEED IT on slim and skinny cut jeans. it fucks up how the left leg fits too much when the circumf of the leg is that small.

>>18086714
i'll never buy ih unless they make the 1955 cut more available.';

'self edge's hanger design is goated. they're like $50 each and handmade. for a cheap option just get some metal hangers that are thick and strong enough then cut 80% of the center bar out with some bolt cutters to accomplish the same thing for like 3bux a hanger.';

'>>18086363
2x1 twill is the weave they use for most denim shirts if you want an equivalence you've probably seen irl before. not all are but they tend to be, you can tell looking closely. its basically a pair of pants made of thicker denim shirt material.';

'>>18086260
>This is the recreation of the 60's masterpiece.
it is the more blueish indigo and the slubbiness and the hairy surface that are often considered as the characteristics from the era.
Did Cormac McCarthy write the website?';

'>>18085883
I've got the 505 1967 and I like them a lot. But at 275 full retail they're insanely overpriced as every LVC jeans are.
At 206 those are still overpriced, you can get better for cheaper with brave star or tcb.
That being said, if you really like them LVC is nice for entry level selvedge.
I'd still check brave star's offerings before pulling the trigger.';

'do you guys buy loopwheel tshirts?';

'>>18086778
Do people hang their jeans by the belt loop? I’ve always just folded in half and hung on a hanger that way.';

'>>18086776
>>18086778
I just tried it and it takes up way 3x as much space as folding over hanger. I don’t have enough space or I would have to move some of my collared shirts out';

'>>18087287
Yeah. I own a couple buzz rickson tees and a collection of Merz b Schwanen tees. Both are very nice, but the 8oz Merz tees are incredible after you wash them like 5 times. Perfect weight, sturdy, and soft. Also a really nice cut';

'>>18076627
thought it's been dying off for the last decade';

'>>18076123
Got these N&F jawns in the mail today';

'>>18086639
Left hand twill will always twist. Broken twill, like Wrangler uses, won't twist.';

'so when buying IH, it's best to go with 21oz for all season wear mainly because you're only paying about $40-$50 more for more denim?';

'>>18087765
will RHT twist?';

'>>18086714
I guess if you have massive quads you’re going to not fit very well even in the 888, but I squat 250 for reps and they fit me perfectly. Not too tight, not too loose. I think for the majority of even western bodies, the IH straight cuts will fit pretty well with the exception being super buff and morbidly obese guys

>>18087767
You pick the 21 oz because it’s incredible without being too heavy. Trust the break in process and enjoy your amazingly comfortable jeans';

'>>18087788
should i get the 33" waist and then keep wearing it until it stretches to 34"?';

'>>18087793
It depends on your typical Jean size in most American brands. I’m a wrangler and Levi’s size 33 and wear an IH 34. The guys at self edge will usually recommend sizing up 1 for IH as a rule of thumb, but you definitely need to measure a pair of your best fitting jeans and then check the size charts on the IH website. Also, it’s worth noting whether you fit best into a mid rise or high rise Jean. If you like high rise, go with the 888. If you like mid rise, go with the 633 (self edge exclusive item) or the 634';

'>>18087800
i like it at my hips';

'>>18087809
The 888 would be it';

'>>18087788
My quads aren't yuge, but they're big for my waist. Like I wear a 32 in 13MWZ which fits skin tight through the thigh but is loose in the waist. And with the 888 the size 33 fits perfectly in the seat but too slim in the leg. So I went up to a 34 to get a fit comparable to your pic (see >>18071981) and just wear a belt
>t. last best squat set was a paltry 250x7 but Ive always had bigger legs';

'>>18087871
Those look like a killer fit my dude';

'My Ub101s arrived today, generic 14oz selvedge etc...
The waist fits fine, the legs fit fine, the fly and everything buttons no problem, but the crotch/balls area is honestly a bit tight. Not sure if its just the stiffness of the fabric, or the cut of the jeans, but it makes walking a bit stiff. If they stretch at all in the waist I think the waist would fit perfectly, and the legs feel fine, but now Im wondering if it would be better to return them and get maybe the tapered fit. Any advice?';

'>>18088009
>Not sure if its just the stiffness of the fabric, or the cut of the jeans, but it makes walking a bit stiff.
skinnies are always restrictive at first. depends how tight they are compared to your legs if it goes away with wear or not. if they fit painted on it'll always restrict. if you're a skinny fuck like me you can wear cuts like that with no elastine and do the squats in them once they get broken in and the creases all set/molded to your body. the taper cut would definitely lessen or get rid of it.
btw if you return for the taper cut be aware the unbranded 14oz is kinda notorious for being a slow fader. if you want a slow fader its a great denim. if you want a fast fader from unbranded the 21oz is the way. great price for that fabric too.
>if they stretch at all in the waist I think the waist would fit perfectly
raws should be slightly tight in the waist at first, they stretch a good deal usually. if they feel perfect fitting in the waist brand new they tend to stretch too much to wear without a belt later on. granted this is only if your weight doesn't fluctuate much.';

'>>18088009
I’m assuming you got a skinny fit with a low rise? If so, there’s your problem. If you’re a skinny guy, you could definitely get away with wearing a slim fit instead of skinny. If the crotch area is constricting your balls, you’re likely going to need to get jeans with at least a medium rise (~11 to 11.25”)';

'>>18088017
>If so, there’s your problem.
rise actually isn't that big of a factor of jeans ball crush or not. its definitely a factor but there's other measurements in how the upper block is patterned that affect it more, like thigh diameter and entry placement. plenty of high and mid rise jeans crush nuts too. common complaint for tcb 60's for example.
functionally though yeah this is the correct answer. n&f re-did the weird guy and the unbranded tapered cut a while ago and re-patterned it so it doesn't crush balls anymore. its a solid 11.5" mid rise now, and still pretty slim through the leg. i would recommend it over their skinny cut for most guys who aren't uber twinks.';

'rise doesn't affect crotch fit as much as anons say, unless your sag your pants. rise just determines where your waistband is.
good fitting jeans shouldn't require sagging to be comfortable.
rule of thirds determines what rise you should wear. if you guys don't know rule of thirds yet it means: take a picture of yourself, pretend your head isn't there, from shoulders to waist it should be 1/3 your body and your legs should be 2/3 your body. wear whatever jeans rise gets you closest to that = correct rise.';

'>>18088017
>>18088022
I got the skinny because it matched the measurements of one of the pants i own right now which arent very skinny. i wouldnt call the unbranded skinny pair especially skinny either... im not super twinky, 6'1 33 waist, i feel like i have a pretty medium build. they look slim straight or slim taper, not skinny

Its not really ball crushing thats the issue, its that the crotch doesnt have enough give when i step forward so it creases like the top of my thigh a bit uncomfortably. almost like there just needs to be more fabric below my balls so i can step a bit further. honestly since the rest of the pant feels good i might just say fuck it and see if i can get them to feel nice after i stretch them out';

'>>18088009
>but the crotch/balls area is honestly a bit tight. Not sure if its just the stiffness of the fabric, or the cut of the jeans, but it makes walking a bit stiff.
It's the cut the only one that isn't like this is their high waisted.
Assuming UB101 is unbranded brand don't even remember the names of their stuff honestly.';

'Anyone experience with red tornado? They look like they make good items for a fraction the price. I just bought six pairs of denim while in Japan, but am considering buying their olive chinos.';

'>>18084474
worth every dollar desu';

'>>18088649
Not him, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be priced like denim if they’re made to a similar standard. Mid tier flannels cost like mid tier jeans. For example my Vermont flannels are close to $100 now, so are mediocre jeans. Next time I’m in Japan I’ll check out some flannels to see how they feel';

'>>18088753
this, and mid tier flannels are very sparse in my experience. when you do find a nice flannel that's cheaper than the jap brands its almost always cut for reddit gimp bodies.';

'>>18088753
>>18088759
what about hoodies and t shirt like merz?';

'>>18088035
That happens to me to some degree with every pair of jeans I own... except with the 13memewz. I feel like I could roundhouse kick someone in the head with those.';

'>>18088916
I’ve never tried Japanese flannels. I’m happy with my Vermont flannelsn. I am looking for higher quality t shirts though.';

'Wool pants recommendations? I found Johnson wooo mill pants that look decent.';

'>>18088964
https://www.bigbill.com/ca_en/wool-outdoor-pant-214

https://www.bigbill.com/ca_en/cargo-merino-wool-pants-214mer

https://www.bigbill.com/ca_en/100-wool-pant-210';

'>>18088916
>t shirts
>compared to merz
the good stuff's like on par with merz, apples and oranges.
then there's some jap tees that are a bit cheaper, and not quite as nice out there you can get in 2/3 shirt combo packs. i've generally been pretty happy for $/shirt.
loopwheeler is the japanese merz equivalent & produces tees and such for a lot of jap brands.

>hoodies
45rpm makes crazy nice reproductions of vintage sportswear, pretty pricy though.

then if you want other heavyweight loopwheel tees in the same realm as merz quality but more like $10 a shirt, chinks are the only others who make heavyweight loopwheel tees:
>bpcall
>bronson
>co-tt-on
>etc
they are a lot cheaper per tee. chinks will also make some heavier weight tees than merz or japs will from what i've seen. generally the cotton quality isn't as good so the shirts aren't as soft. but they are all nicer than typical tees. bpcall's cotton quality is above the others.
they produce all kinds of other shit but i've only really bought tees personally.

>>18088940
haven't tried vermont flannel but i keep hearing they're good. i need a new go-to $100 or less flannel the ones i used to get went out of business i guess. recommend?';

'>>18088968
Their only 100% wool pants are hideous
>>18088990
Where do you find bpcall t shirt? I was considering red tornado chink t shirts or Gustin t shirts. I can’t figure spending more than $20 a T.
>Vermont flannel
I have a few of their flannels that are probably 10 years old and worn a lot. Still holding up. Made in USA. I suspect there are better out there for the price. My vintage Pendleton flannels are of much higher quality and I prefer wool to cotton.';

'>>18089015
say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens';

'>>18088990
link to bpcall and jap tshirt packs? also are their white tee see through? i hate that.';

'any exp. with blaumann denim?
it is run and produced by germans using japanese denim. They seem to be pretty autistic about their product and quality which seems good.';

'>>18089023
Kek doesn’t the plaid on the pants clash with the plaid on the flannel?';

'>>18089255
it does and he thinks it will get him bitches looking retarded lmao';

'>>18087753
what fit?';

'>>18089250
Leiter geil';

'>>18089255
nah its a different enough scale and a completely different plaid anyways

>>18089278
post fit';

'>>18089305
true guy size 30, i'm 6'1 170 for reference.';

'>>18089469
why do you wear it so tight?';

'>>18088990
Quit being so butt hurt about your wool pants and tell me where to buy quality chink t shirts. I looked and Bronson doesn’t sell loopwheel Tees';

'>>18088964
Johnson Woolen Mills are good stuff. Speaking of flannels, I got one the flannels they made recently for 18 East and it is awesome.';

'>>18088609
I call them greenos';

'>>18089804
Too green?
>>18089801
Made in Vermont? Wool?';

'>>18089767
only merz b and loopwheeler have the machinery to make true loopwheel tees';

'>>18089165
definitely not see through

bpcall https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/33275933.htm
bob dong kino henleys https://bobdong.taobao.com
co-tt-on 木白巾 https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/166125443.htm (longer torsos than bpcall)
sauce zhan https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/68744670.htm
bronson https://bronsonshop.com https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/112282887.htm

good less denimbro-y type tees:
arket: https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/590357399.htm
cos: https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/200155482.htm';

'>>18089165
>jap tshirt packs
you can find studio d'artisan 3 packs on denimio and rakuten and shit for like 60 each.
stuff like that.';

'>>18089475
do they look tight? they don't feel particularly tight.';

'>>18090027
https://www.denimio.com/en_DK/9913-loopwheeled-pack-t-shirt-3-colors/9913.html?dwvar_9913_color=9165&dwvar_9913_size=59&quantity=1

so do you get 3 of the same color you pick or variety of colors? you also gotta size up right?';

'>>18090027
I don’t think that’s a 3 pack. Merino wool or loop wheel t shirt? Which is better?';

'>>18089934
Yes it's 100% wool and made in Vermont. Slightly scratchy, but it shouldn't be touching your skin anyway. It has hand pockets as well and will be perfect over a hoody.';

'>>18090346
There isn't a "better", they're different. If you have never had a merino shirt then buy one and try it. Merino, in my opinion, is dramatically more comfortable than cotton, but also doesn't hide anything the way cotton can. Merino breathes dramatically better than cotton and never becomes sweat-soaked so I prefer it for hot activities like hiking or exercising. Cotton is nicer for lounging.

Merino clothes are also strange because of how they don't absorb water. If you ever dry your hands on your shirt or something, that isn't going to work with merino.';

'Iron Heart Chads post your jeans';

'Thinking about purchasing some Iron Hearts. They're just so damn expensive. Like twice as expensive as my Momotaros. Should I go for the 21oz regular selvedge denim, or the 21/23oz Ultra Heavyweight Raw? I know the UHR is loom-state so I might need to size up and I've never done that before.';

'>>18091053
sizing my first loomstate jeans was a real anus clencher. two things that help to know: there's no downside to soaking first hemming later. and everything that shrinks can stretch back with enough wears and tension against it -- as long as its part of the jeans your body creates force against in regular wear. if the waist or knees feel tight after the soak it will go back but below the knee it won't.';

'>>18091053
Don’t fuck with UHR. The 21 oz is already sanforized, and it’s loomed under pretty low tension so they’re immediately comfortable. On top of that, 21 oz is the Goldilocks weight where it is nice and thick, but it still manages to soften up and drape with enough wear and fading. Anything heavier than 21 oz is honestly just too heavy, it will always be kind of rigid. Yeah, they’re expensive, but they really are objectively the best. As long as you get the right fit, you’ll be happy with the purchase';

'>>18091135
Are there any sanforized jeans that have texture like unsanforized jeans? Japan blue jeans were my first Japanese denim and then I bought a pair if samurais and sugar cane and they’re both more hairy than the Japan blue jeans. I’m just thinking that iron hearts could be a bit boring. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I like how smooth my Japan blue jeans are too.';

'>>18087769
Yup';

'>>18088009
Soak em in warm water for 5 minutes, ring them out with a towel, then put them on wet (with a belt if possible) and do squats/ walk up a staircase 3 steps at a time/ sit on a chair. Then they should be fine';

'>>18090022
Bob dong fucking rules';

'>>18091500
Not that I know of. The only other sanforized heavy weight jeans I know are SoSo. But i really don’t understand how people call IH boring. Here’s my 25 oz, you tell me';

'>>18091500
>Are there any sanforized jeans that have texture like unsanforized jeans?
Im assuming you are talking about the fuzzy hairs on raw denim.
The sanforization process has several steps including a finishing step where the pass that fabric through a flame to burn off all the fuxzy hairs. You can find sanforized jeans where they skip this step of the process though it it fairly uncommon, i know ive seen a few brands do it but can't think of any off the top of my head. If they are going to leave the hairs on they will usually mention it as a feature in the description.
As far as the actual texture of the denim weave at least in theory sanforized jeans can have just as much texture as raw denim but i suppose the saforization process might reduce the appearance or a loose uneven weave slightly because of the way it treats the fabric to preshrink it.
Generally i think one wash jeans from Japanese brands are the best of both worlds, I don't miss buying raw jeans after going on super future and looking up people's shrinkage measurements to try and decide what size i should buy.';

'>>18091513
Not that anon
I don't dislike iron heart but they have a fairly smooth uniform weave, and they are super saturated with a deep color, i can see why some people would call that boring.
They also seem to not get prominent train tracks for some reason.
Personally i just don't like wearing denim that heavy.
Pic related are some pair of eternals i found online, eternals also have a reputation for being quite dark and slow fading, but i don't see the same extreme level of saturation in faded pairs like i do with iron hearts.
I mean all this stuff is at the level of personal preference anyway i do wish more brands used poly core thread like IH.';

'>>18091513
They seem fine. I was looking for a pair while in Japan but didn’t come across any or else I would’ve bought a pair. But I’m happy that I ended up with some unsanforized jeans too. I almost bought a pair of heavy weight 21oz kojimas but I bought their shashikos instead';

'>>18091552
Also I forgot to >>18091539
thanks for the detail. It’s interesting that’s they burn the fuzz off. The Japan blue jeans has some fuzz but the Bushido samurai and sugar cane have much more.';

'How do you prevent the creases that form in the back of the knee from sitting all day?';

'If you want really hairy denim, then go to Oni. It’s that shrimple. Asphalt and Secret are very hairy.';

'>>18091753
Wash more often. That will fade the entire jeans more evenly. Pants that fade are always going to fade in ways that show their use though. Unless you get pants that do not fade, you’re going to have some lighter spots on your knees, thighs, butt, etc.';

'>>18091755
The pair of Pure blue japan jeans i had were also pretty hairy, still my favorite slub texture as well.
Im guessing slubby denim ends up more hairy because of the irregular weave.';

'>>18091794
PBJ deserves mentioned too. I think Tanuki has made some pretty hairy ones too but it’s not their specialty like Oni and PBJ with their “super rough” ones.

PBJs look beautiful but their sizing wouldn’t work for me. I’m too fat for them.';

'>>18090937
888 reporting in. Got a pair of indigo on the way and I'll wash and hem these ODs once they arrive';

'>>18078288
>>18078294
how to get cool fitting jeans and nice fades like those?';

'>>18090937
These look great. I’m gonna get the 633 21oz from self edge after the summer.';

'>>18091838
I have those same jeans, they were my first pair of IH like 3 years ago. The OD takes forever to fade, but it’s gorgeous. I’ll never get rid of those

>>18091870
If I were you, I’d get them asap. Since IH only produces certain products at most once a year and because it’s a self edge exclusive you might find out that they sell out soon if you wait that long. That’s kind of the tough part about getting into these brands, they can only produce so much and they cost a shit ton, so when a piece restocks that you’ve been waiting for a while to get, you can’t really hesitate on buying it. I bought a pair of their 21 oz overdyed jeans three years ago and they didn’t even restock it again until like last month';

'>>18091956
Beautiful. How often did you wash those?';

'>>18091978
if I remember correctly, it was like once per month or so. I do not fuck with waiting 3+ months to wash my jeans. That shit is gross and in my opinion the high contrast fades are gay and tryhard';

'>>18091956
i was considering the super black but OD is the one to get?';

'>>18092044
It’s up to your own preference, but the overdyed in my opinion ages way more beautifully. It’s like a grayish indigo color once the black wears away';

'Who here is getting the TCB 1890s?
It's coming out April 20th, I want one but I gotta save money, I'm sure they'll do another run if it sells out, might get a pair in May if I can.';

'Any recs for decent raw denim for /fit/fags? N&F easy guys were my go to for years, but now my thighs are blowing those out and my butt doesn't fit no matter how much I size up

I really like the taper on the easy guys';

'>>18091845
Find jeans that fit perfectly.
Wear them a lot and wash them.';

'>>18092048
very slow faders?';

'>>18092074
Try left field smokestacks
https://leftfieldnyc.com/collections/smokestacks-wide-leg
Also maybe tcb 50s
https://tcbjeans.myshopify.com/collections/jeans/products/tcb-50s-jeans-one-wash';

'>>18092048
>>18092044
I didn’t buy because they weren’t in my size, but I tried on the overdyed IH jeans at my local store and they feel incredible. The overdye shrinks them a lot but also softened up the fabric a lot.

I suspect they bleed a lot but if I see them in a regular straight fit then I’d probably buy. The OD IH is definitely something to feel to believe.';

'>>18092074
What're your waist and thigh measurements? Take the first at the navel and the second at the thickest part of your quad';

'>>18092053
Are those the Good Luck Jeans? Post a link please.';

'>>18092091
>Are those the Good Luck Jeans? Post a link please.
Not Good Luck Jeans it's a Levis reproduction, if you still want the Good Luck Jeans you can buy them on their website.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C58r-7hJGjj/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==';

'>>18085111
Kek';

'Anyone get the broken twill? I normally just grab something when it's 60% off';

'>>18092079
Yes

>>18092084
I’m pretty sure IH just released the 21 oz overdye jeans in their straight cut (634)';

'>>18092137
>Stretch selvedge
Nah';

'are the IH 21oz easy or hard to break in? would it be dumb to wear it on a date new?';

'>>18092299
nothing wrong with stretch';

'>>18092487
erthing wrong wiff dait. Imma cop den scratch n snifffs dough';

'>>18092483
It’s pretty comfy when brand new. Takes a long time to fade. It would just depend on what you pair it with';

'>>18092093
Thanks. The idea is very cool but I just do not want to wear pants with only one back pocket. It wouldn't be authentic though, I get it.';

'i swear they raised it by $10. is there anywhere else to get IH?

https://www.selfedge.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2121&search=888';

'>>18092752
Their overdyed jeans have always cost that much, about $30-40 more than their indigos. If you want the best deal, there are numerous eBay accounts from Japan that sell the 634 cut for like $260-270 a pair. Unfortunately I could never find anyone in Japan selling new pairs of the 888 cuts';

'>>18092874
https://www.ebay.com/itm/386298286076?itmmeta=01HVYKQX4A2SVKTJ6JRDEDPA74&hash=item59f12c0ffc:g:aw0AAOSwdKBlWqDz

do i trust this jap?';

'>>18092989
Yeah man, I’ve actually bought a pair of 634 from a Japanese eBay account and they arrived in a week in good condition. That account also has overwhelmingly positive reviews. Keep in mind though that the 634 does not have lined back pockets and it’s a medium rise, not sure if that’s a deal breaker';

'>>18093088
what's lined back pockets?';

'>>18093225
Instead of the back pocket just being a layer of denim, they stitch a layer of white linen on the inside of the pocket for added structural integrity, prolonging the time before a hole forms. Most selvedge jeans, especially the Levi’s vintage reproductions, don’t line the back pockets since it’s more vintage accurate for them to not have it. The IH 634 cut was inspired by a pair of 60s Levi’s 501, which is probably why they don’t line the back pockets on those';

'had no idea non-fade blacks existed from IH';