'>>7138573
Damn niguh I ain’t reading all dat shittu';

'>>7138583
someone give me a tldr on this reponse';

'>>7138573
You mean like trace or something?';

'>>7138573
>Anime is already done you are not going to be remaking the wheel by studying realism to “create your anime style
This is how this western garbage pseudo anime styles are born';

'By copying heavily stylised works you'll never develop understanding of the 3d space.';

'>>7138573
Lots of yapping and no work posted, they're calling him the king of crabs.';

'>>7138573
post your work';

'>>7138573
I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened';

'>>7138573
Copying can lead you to an end result but you wont understand the reasoning underneath shortcuts and design choices that other artists have made, so your copy will lack fundamentals.';

'>>7138573
>wheeñ
Spic detected, opinion discarded';

'To improve in art, there should be a balance in both. People who start by grinding perspective and then copy anime say they should have copied anime all along, people who start by copying anime and then practice perspective say they should have practiced perspective all along. Copying and fundies are both important and there should be a balance, one is not better than the other.';

'>>7138573
Before weebs rebranded it, it was known as master copies, and yes it's a great way to improve at art, not just animu. However it must be backed up by actually learning how to fucking draw. Copying a Gordon Ramsay recipe won't help for shit if you can't even cook your meat without charring it/leaving the inside raw. Learn your fucking basics, then copy masters to develop application.';

'>>7138879
>food analogy';

'This is true, but it takes time. You can copy, even as someone who never picked up a pencil like me like this pic related.

But if you try to draw anything original after that that doesn't resemble the picture you tried to copy perfectly for hours (this took me 4 hours as gigabeg last year) You end up failing miserably. I would advice to learn basics like perspective, construction and THEN copying.';

'>>7138573
>That’s the secret of all fast learners.
I noticed from reading books, interviews and articles by pro artists from all over the world that they all copy from
>Life
>Photos
>Comics
>Manga
>Anime
>Movies
>Strips
This is more common the older the artist is so I believe in you OP';

'>>7138879
Genuine question: what determines "knowing" the basics? Just being aware of them and practicing with them in mind?';

'>>7138976
>line control (not chicken scratching)
>perspective(being able to draw boxes, circles, elipses, cylinders, cones)
>construction
>gesture/sketching/proportions,';

'>>7138976
It's a back and forth cycle. Learn them a bit, but don't begtrap yourself for years drawing boxes or lines or any other of that drawabox-tier crap. Do it enough to "get it" then get drawing/copying. Practice some more of those basics inbetween or as warm ups, mostly when you need it, so if you are struggling to make your figures have volume, or properly obey perspective, go do more boxes/cylinders in perspective and/or construction drills.
TLDR: Learn the basics just enough to "get it", then go draw actual things, reflect on them, analyze what's lacking, then take a few days grinding that weakness, rinse repeat.';

'>>7138573
Good artists borrow. Great artists steal';

'>>7138573
mastercopies aren’t limited to studying the masters, copying (varied) things you deem aesthetically ideal is a way of training your own style';

'>>7139055
Ironically the quote itself that kept getting credited to Picasso was also stolen from earlier writers, who also stole from earlier texts.';

'>>7138976
You do a bit of one and th elf the other, you will suck and cry after a lot of practice, so you will go back to the first and the to the second and you will cry and smash your head against the table again, you will keep doing this until your hair has fall off but that day you will suddenly become extremely strong artist and will be able to draw every hentai with a single stroke of your hand but at that point you will be so powerful that all art seems boring';

'>>7138573
just copying is not enough sometimes, there are anime and ha artists out there using high level thinking not learned from simply copying, they've been to school and mentored and its evident in their work.';

'>>7139482
Mentored…and told to copy. That’s what teachers and mentors tell you too copy. But keep bdrawing boxes, you will surely become a pro one day, you do you.';

'>>7138573
doing bitch work like mixing paint and copying from their masters is what all ancient greats did.
i have no idea how westerners got poisoned with this “i’m the special” mindset where they think they’re somehow going to reinvent the wheel';

'>>7142289
>this “i’m the special” mindset
You see it everywhere. 'Writers' that won't read and 'musicians' that refuse to learn theory. It's a sign of the times. Some of it is absolutely malignant narcissism or cultural decadence (I'm too special for this/all art is of equal quality) but a lot of it is just plain laziness. Students won't put in the work because they'll get their validation off social media anyways, and schools won't enforce standards because they get to charge for the semester either way, so who cares?';

'>>7138573
I don't know how to learn anything from copying, in part because it's so boring and requires so little thought that I inevitably find myself thinking about other things while doing it, only to eventually find that my subconscious has finished running copy.exe. I am then left with no idea of what I just did, much less how the original drawing was made.

I can see how re-creating a drawing using a process similar to how it might have been created would potentially be both useful and interesting, but that would require me to actually know how to draw to some extent. I don't have the slightest clue how anyone draws anything, and have no knowledge of any process I could imitate. No resource I have found has managed to even put a dent in my profound ignorance on this topic.';

'>>7142868
Sounds like you lack fundies. Copy is still great to learn tho.';

'>>7138786
>>7138879
these anons get it. one won't work without the other for something like anime. unless you want to be stuck with a katy coope how to draw manga art style forever';

'>>7142834
It's going to get much, much worse. Teachers are now allowing kids to use chatgpt to write their essays and assignments, and only stipulating that they have to "manually write 25-50%" of it to pass.
We really are in the Judge Dredd timeline.
This is why you need to beat your kids. This idea of elevating their self-esteem through constant ball fondling is about to metasize into a cultural cancer that we cannot remove.';

'>>7142948
>>7139021
this one too, missed this post first pass but these all sum up my thoughts on it.';

'>>7142996
passion and effort need to be rewarded rather than the final outcome, otherwise kids learn that the only thing that matters is the outcome and will use whatever laziest method they can find.';

'>>7138590
>>7138597
you do both';