'>>7143545
I will come to this thread and actively and explicitly disregard whatever it is about, only to say I love Maria Renard so much.';

'>>7143545

people hated on anime even back in the haruhi fever days. You must be a late zoomer.';

'>>7143545
It's 90% a meme, 10% dishonest shills attacking it to virtue signal to their own audiences.
E.g. Matt Walsh dissing anime in order to promote his ideal of super "serious and mature" boring provider (that gets cucked and divorced raped later) man.';

'>>7143559
Or leftist shills attacking it because it's not "progressive" enough for their taste.';

'>>7143553
All anime != moeblob slices of life.';

'>>7143550
Didn’t some of the art give this ten year old a huge rack?';

'anime has been saturated with westoids';

'>>7143563

That is besides the point. Were you even alive between 2007 - 2009?';

'>>7143553
yeah this
saying you liked anime was a sure-fire way to get called gay. it was the other side of being a comic book nerd, when being a geek wasnt cool, now everythings cool, anime is still kind of shit on';

'>>7143545
>Is the hate against anime a meme
Yes. Or they're ignorant of what the medium has to offer beyond the latest most popular shows.';

'>>7143570
>Were you even alive between 2007 - 2009?
Of course. Now go watch the first Kaiji anime series (from 2008) and tell me I'm wrong.';

'>>7143570
Also watch Golgo13, the tv anime came out in 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxn2lv1sBgk

>b-but I thought all anime was moeshit and teenagers doing the gay haruhi dance on youtube
Now you know better.';

'>>7143576

Level your autism a bit. The OP is talking about random normies dunking on anime as a whole and I mentioned it happened even before you were born or in kindergarten. This guy >>7143573 gets it.

Remember Big Bang Theo..oh no you don't, but if you did, you can remember how there was a brief "nerds r cool" movement that happened back then. But way before that happened, people hated weebs. I'm pretty sure there were no Toonami faggotry discussions about how the 90s were so much better because toonami was still on the air showing nothing but Naruto at the time kept norms who liked anime at a surface level busy.

But anime wasn't "cool" back then. Now everyone watches it.';

'>>7143576
>>7143579
>these animes werent moeshit, therefore everyone loved anime back then
See the logical error of you guys' point in regard to this anon's point >>7143553 >>7143581? Just because some animes werent moeshit doesnt mean anime culture and weebs werent scrutiny material back in the day. People didnt just shit on moe animes, people shat on anime culture in general until it started being cool.';

'>>7143576
>>7143579
And don't get me started on the mangas that came out in the mid 00s.

>>7143581
>The OP is talking about random normies
Randos don't know shit and will say whatever they think is the popular opinion to have, but the people in the know or anyone putting the bare minimum effort to look into is or soon becomes aware they're full of shit.
But that aside, why do you care about what random normalfags think?';

'>>7143586
>these animes werent moeshit, therefore everyone loved anime back then
Don't put words in my mouth I didn't say.
I know how things were and I didn't give a shit and enjoyed anime all the same.

Retarded normies being ignorant is not my problem.';

'>>7143586
Everything is scrutiny material even today if you care about what random people say. Have you seen Twitter?

OP asked if some people HERE, on motherfucking 4chan /ic/, genuinely hate anime/japanese art in general. The answer is obviously no, unless you're new to the site.';

'>>7143588
>But that aside, why do you care about what random normalfags think?

I don't. I'm answering OPs question and you're coming in here shoving your "but look, this isn't moe".

The early 2000s was all about moe. This shouldn't be an argument. I don't care about your outlier mangas that don't fit the typical description--has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.';

'>>7143602
Now that I think about it, this is exactly how /lsg/ would behave given their topic. It's like you're trying so hard to distinct yourself away from otaku culture by trying to carve out your own hole by saying "look at all these mature, western influenced manga".';

'>>7143545
Not as much as in the past but still do. Normies will give you a pass if it is anime aproved by normies but even those normies will be hated by other normalfags even more normalmags. It's like comics, saying you like marvel movies isnt the same as saying you like marvel comics.';

'>>7143545
everything popular has very vocal haters';

'>>7143602
>The early 2000s was all about moe
Lol, lmao even.';

'>>7143564
Yes, and you know what the worst part is?
Her grown up counterpart is often given less tits than her LMFAO.';

'>>7143602
The absolute state of zoomers.';

'>>7143616
>>7143614

Gits came out in 1995. At this point you're just a /co/ refugee looking to argue for the sake of it. Nothing will change the fact Akiba is plastered with cute girls and not ugly SOBs from Shitland Saga or whatever.';

'>>7143602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ8_snuDWvM

>>7143618
SAC came out in 2001 you dingus. 00s anime was all about moe if that's all you ever watched or looked at.
Lurk more and stop caring about random normalfags think.';

'>>7143621

>still trying to pick a fight when op asked a question

are you ignoring this one little thing on purpose?';

'>>7143625
And yes that's all I watch, cute shit that makes me feel all warm inside. And that is the majority of anime, not Cobra the Animation. That is a fact.

1) I do not give a fuck that there was a small percentage of anime that did not fit the typical description of anime.
2) I was answering OPs question

That's all. I'm out.';

'>>7143545
AUGH FUCK, I NEED OPPAI LOLI MARIA TITTY JOBBBBBBUUUU';

'>>7143625
I'm not picking a fight, I'm pointing out that anime and japanese culture isn't and has never been all about moe.
Also, if you were older or cared to look into history you'd know that what you call moe was already a thing since the 70s and specially the 80s. They called it bishoujo back then and it has always existed along other less cutesy stuff.

That aside, yes, there's absolutely no point in caring about what the average normalfag thinks anime is. If they refuse to look past whatever is immediatly on their face and don't look further they deserve to remain ignorant and miss most cool shit.';

'>>7143636
>I'm not picking a fight, I'm pointing out that anime and japanese culture isn't and has never been all about moe.

I. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck. I . Am. Answering. OPs. God damn. Question. And you. Are bringing in. Another completely. >>>different debate<<<';

'>>7143627
>small percentage of anime
Did you know most popular anime and mangas have historically always being shonen combat focused ones? Even today One Piece and other battle shonens keep topping the charts.';

'>>7143644

They're called surface level anime. Entry level. The top of the iceberg. Approve normie anime.

Did you know? Why are you talking to me like I'm from reddit.';

'alright for real I'm hiding this thread before I bust a blood vessel';

'>>7143645
>Why are you talking to me like I'm from reddit.
Because you seem to have just discovered this site.

What OP asked was
>Do some people HERE genuinely hate anime/japanese art in general or are they just trolling/fishing for guaranteed replies?
Here as in ON FUCKING 4CHAN.

To say >>7143553 "people hated on anime even back in the haruhi fever days" here is fucking retarded at best, disingenuous newfag revisionist history at worst. Do you even know what this website's mascot is? Of course people are going to think you're a fucking redditor or a tourist from another place.';

'>>7143647
Any more pictures of that sexy little girl and I’ll bust something …';

'>>7143545
>I've seen people claim "Japs never made anything worthwhile", "Why should I consume *random rec* when there's a better western alternative to it?", etc. more than once in various west vs. east threads
They're newfags, and likely came here with the 2016 election bringing a bunch of political activists that chose this place due to its anonymity and because social media was heavily censoring right wingers during that period. They're the same faggots complaining about loli and "degeneracy" here of all places.

>>7143686
Roger.';

'>>7143576
Buy Kaiji is a moe character though';

'>>7143704
Fair point.';

'>>7143562
>Or leftist shills
Funny, because every leftie loves anime lol
Makes you really wonder why "le epik hardkkkore individualists" that often make posts like yours have so much in common with unironic trannies, especially when it comes to media consumption.';

'I have never understood those who consume anime but with Western ethics and morals. No moe, no ecchi, no loli, no aggression against women.

Why does the West insist on imbuing its religious morality into all audiovisual content? It is not enough to wage wars but also to conquer and erase their culture.';

'All art is sus.
The very idea of art is sus inherently.
"Let's all sscape into fantasy drawings where we can feel more alive than in our every day life? Let's all identify with cartoons that don't exist, feel their struggles and vicariously live through them! Fuck the real world, I don't need to get laid, I've got anime pussy."
Very sus. Not slay at all. Inconsequential levels of kino. Definitely zoomer shit, no homo fr fr yo';

'>>7143804
>because every leftie loves anime lol
If only.

The feminists pushing for the censorship of fan service in media aren't precisely right wing. Censors come from both the Left and the Right sadly.';

'>>7143804
>because every leftie loves anime lol
Bullshit, they love anime as much as feminists love videogames. It's just a claim to better subvert, propagandize it.
You're second point is retarded, you can make the same claim with music, videogames, nerd culture, the internet in general.
Leftists are constantly attacking anime norms and finding ways to try to influence it to better fit white western faggot shit.';

'>>7143574
we love you kashimura';

'>>7143545
How do we lower the level of intellectual discussion? Things like the consent of a fictional character, the age of a fictional character, are now being debated. What the hell happened to us?

Why does the gender of a character that doesn't exist matter? If you want Astolfo to be a woman, go ahead and think that.';

'>>7143827
Because cartoons exist in a social feedback loop with reality and therefore influence real behavior, duh, haven't you read the studies?';

'>>7143545
Yes it's a dumb old meme, even people who've never watched anime hate it because you gotta "pick a side" in all these shitty internet arguments.

I used to be on the hate "team" despite loving Saint Seiya and Gatchaman as a child. But now love and draw anime because I grew out of mindless tribalism.';

'>>7143834
>But now love and draw anime because I grew out of mindless tribalism.

And yet by your own admission you regard those other tribalists as dumb.

Sounds like something a tribalist would say.';

'>>7143804
Honestly, one decade ago I remember my group of autistic friends on internet being nazists, old school commies and very pro capitalists. Always been the weirdo 2D girl anime supremacy hated by the left. And they were in constantly war against tumblr freaks and their ugly art. At some point trannies started infiltrating everything, even religion. This bizarre trannism is alien to me...';

'>>7143545
>Is x a meme?
Everything here if it's not a meme is turned into one because half of the posts are 100% certified psyops and trolling by the discord incels that live in the sewers of the board
Also that's not anime, that's a PC engine game';

'>>7143833
It influences or enhances a behavior that already exists and as long as the medium of the message functions as a mirror of reality. But in a comedy, satire or fiction far from the current world escapes that interpretation. You can't go through life looking for definitions of life or soul food in all the entertainment you consume.
Mentally ill people are not born from watching anime, a system created them previously and even if you give them the Bible they will find a way to justify their psychopathy or their bad actions in the world .';

'>>7143804
>Funny, because every leftie loves anime lol
If that's true, what's even more funny is that otaku culture is probably the most capitalistic nerd culture that exists - both on the fan side and the creator side. The #1 thing Western artists are obsessed with is finding their very own and unique personal style. Meanwhile aspiring Japanese artists are concerned with questions like "How will my art be able to have wider appeal?" and "Is my art style outdated?". And when you listen to Japanese artists talk, from a Western POV it often sounds more like they're talking about consumer products like cars or smartphones rather than art.';

'>>7143874
Exactly why anime is soulless slop.
Collectivist capitalism. No individuality, no freedom, no independence. Cattle. Art by cattle for cattle.';

'>>7143545
There are retards here that hate on anything you can think of. Of course some of those retards hate anime as well.';

'>>7143545
It isn't so much anime itself but the retards who think they're above the fundamentals. The "noooo I don't want to learn color theory, I want to draw animeeee" types.';

'>>7143813
>Fan service
Why do weebs care so much about coom?
You do know a lot of """""right wing""""" (lovely american term by the way) ideologies are against hedonism, right?
>Censors come from
Society as a whole. No matter the ideology, a general consensus is always reached. Whether that consensus is made by those in power or not, does not really matter in this case.
If you wanna cry to somebody because you can no longer jerk off to 3D boobs in your gacha games, cry to the developers and the companies in charge.

>>7143817
>Bullshit, they love anime as much as feminists love videogames
Reality ain't pretty.
>It's just a claim to better subvert, propagandize it.
I think you are forgetting that a lot of zoomers and millenials grew up watching dub and subbed anime on television.
>You're second point is retarded
And apparently you're retarded.
>you can make the same claim with music, videogames, nerd culture, the internet in general.
Surprisingly how, just like in real life, you can find general characteristics in people that fit certain criteria. Even if those people would not like to be coupled with each other on paper (bunker trannies and /pol/niggers) they would most likely get along just fine given enough time.
>Leftists are constantly attacking anime norms and finding ways to try to influence it to better fit white western faggot shit.
What makes you say they haven't already done so? Even before you were even born?
Wasn't the average american leftie hyperfixiated on sex and personal freedom? Aka, things that are now common place in society and all kinds of media - probably even in the media you enjoy (probably for those same exact reasons).

>>7143845
Personal opinion.
Cross-over with a lot of "marginalized" communities in an attempt to garner more support and have their voice heard even further. You know the whole "melting pot" debacle?
Well, you just saw it in real time. And you are part of it, believe it or not.';

'>>7143926
>Why do weebs care so much about coom?
Because it's pleasant to our eyes.
>You do know a lot of """""right wing""""" (lovely american term by the way) ideologies are against hedonism, right?
Of course.

>Censors come from
Conservative and "progressive" lobby groups such as Sweet Baby Inc, some of which are openly financed by the US govt by the way.
They're not "society as a whole".';

'>>7143926
Society didn't wake up one day and decided to push for DEI and BRIDGE/ESG. They're promoted by minority interest groups that want to mold society to THEIR liking.';

'>>7143926
Nah they all grew up that. It was just because it was fun being different. I never ever saw trans movement in any anime fanbase before 2022';

'>>7143945
And unfortunately their liking is against male heterosexuals, or "coomers" as you like to call us.';

'>>7143957
>coomers
Nothing more progressive than pathologizing a entire gender's sexual desires and libido.';

'>>7143968
Yes, dumping mountains of sperm onto drawings of cartoon girls is absolutely normal and healthy male behavior.';

'>>7143972
Men have always enjoyed erotic art since art was invented, so yes, it's absolutely normal.

>and healthy
Very regular sexual release for men is unironically NECESSARY to avoid prostate cancer. And porn is extremely popular because the male libido is many times higher than the female one due to the higher testosterone levels in the former.
You might personally find it disgusting, or would rather men had more sex with women instead of masturbating instead, but the reality of the matter is that men NEED to get off many times a week.

Besides, what would you rather have: Weebs fapping in peace in their online websites or weebs' libido being redirected to women who don't want them?';

'>>7143982
So many words, just to say you have no self control.
>normal
So is cancer. Doesn't make it a good thing.';

'>>7143989
Men have much higher libidos than women. This is a scientific fact.

I can understand our libido might seem excessive from your point of view, but I assure you the average man looks at porn every week. Even married men and men in casual relationships look at porn. Seriously.';

'>>7143926
I would be okay with modern progressivism if it didn't shit on straight men or tried to control our sexuality and censor our stuff.

I'm okay with the LGBT and women having their fun, let us have ours.';

'>>7143992
Overcome it.
Monks don't coom.
Sever your cock if necessary.
And again, cancer is also normal. So is war and rape. Doesn't make it a good thing.';

'>>7144001
I'm afraid I won't. But I'll overcoom.';

'>>7144001
>Monks don't coom.
They do
https://youtu.be/QnO58o4W6Zo?si=ZZGWHGzvXB6Mi6D4';

'>>7144004
Enjoy wallowing in despair. You will never fuck and your only friends will be the scum of the earth.';

'>>7144016
I already have, and sooner of later you'll find out your bf (or husband if you ever marry) also cooms to porn.';

'>>7144020
Jokes on you faggot, I'm a guy.
I don't coom because I sublimate my sexual energy into actual art. You just have no self control and will progressively deteriorate as time goes on.
Sexual energy exists to be sublimated into productive activity, it is why males have higher sex drives to begin with. Wasting it on porn is foolish and short sighted.
Semen retention. Study it. Check out Jordan Peterson while you're at it tranny, you need him.';

'>>7144027
Ywnbag';

'>>7143545
Probably just people coping with the fact that Easterners are born into a culture that naturally fosters competence and accelerates ability rapidly. Meanwhile Western education is so obsessed with individualism that it destroys its ability to produce exceptional artists.';

'>>7143545
I don't hate anime. I hate anime fans. I hate artistic homogenization towards that medium. Most of all, I hate
>MUH ASIAN JEANS
>DUDE ONLY EASTERN (but not outside of japan) ART IS GOOD I WANT TO SUCK TORYIAMA'S FEET
>HAHAAHAH HE DRAWS WESTERN ARTSTYLES WHAT A FAG HOW CAN ANYONE ENJOY "OBJECTIVELY" UGLY ART (aka, not anime)
Those people need to be sent to the gas chamber. You will never be nippon.';

'>>7144209
Maybe stop drawing deformed shit to please a depraved maniac and his ESG scam.';

'>>7144272
How about you quit being a disingenuous twat instead? Firstly, I don't draw that shit, secondly, that's not a "western" thing, that's a bad art thing. Again, your jap fetish makes you think like the worst western art is indicative of western art as a whole because you need your special little island to be the best of the best or else your pee pee will feel small.';

'>>7143982
this was extremely cringe.';

'>>7143813
>The feminists pushing for the censorship of fan service in media aren't precisely right wing.
Yes they are.';

'>>7144280
It's 100% a western feminist thing.
I teach figure drawing at college level and every female teacher in the program wants to get rid of me and the course in general because it's "sexist" to draw people as they are.

They want you fat, maimed and stupid. Deep down they realize they can't compete otherwise.';

'>>7144657
But it’s also sexist to draw idealized figures. So what alternative is left? Animals? Bowls of fruit?';

'>>7143545
>Do some people here genuinely hate anime/japanese art in general
Yes, some people really hate it. They have the same visceral disgust reaction to all anime that a lot of people have to furry stuff. They think it's weird and infantile, they associate it with weird sex stuff, etc.
I love anime, but I have to recognize that my feelings aren't universal.';

'>>7143553
>even back in the haruhi fever days
Jesus christ, is 2006 "back in the day" now?
I'm way too fucking old.';

'>>7143804
the trvthNUKE that BTFO'd all 4trannies';

'>>7144669
They want you to draw ugly people. And yes they believe black, fat and gender ambiguous people are horrid. All the posturing about "representation" boils down to them hating themselves and not wanting to compete with our beautiful reality.

If you draw an attractive, fit black woman it doesn't count as representation because she's beautiful.';

'>>7143698
>>7143686
You people make me sick.';

'>>7143545
those who are not trolls and genuinely hate anime tends to be one of the following
>faggot western artists who blames a foreign medium for their lack of success(not their stupid management who choke them just to flex and because they "know better")
>prudists/respect-women crowd who don't like the idea of artists drawing anything nsfw
>progressive racists who don't like trad roles and views being shown in a positive/neutral view, thinks japs are backward for these opinions
>comicfans who are just mad manga came out on top and have it better, meanwhile their medium is choked by leftism';

'>>7145875
but mostly
>those who prefer good art';

'>>7143804
They hatewatch
I always see woketard angry because show is sexist, characters are underage, etc';

'Diverse ideas are traded back and forth, resulting in even greater works being created. The Japanese artists that were inspired by the West went on to inspire the West in turn.

The fundamental problem with modern anime is that it's too Japanese in a bad way. New works are becoming increasingly derivative versions of older anime. It's a side effect of the otaku problem that Miyazaki discusses. The Western influence on anime is at an all-time low, and anime has suffered for it.';

'>>7147028
Yeah, the western influence is at all time low because the west has produced nothing but mountains of garbage in the woke era and the japs (and every other sane nation) have largely rejected it.
You are right though, anime is more inbred and self-referential than ever these days, not that I've watched or read or engaged with anime made after 2002.';

'>>7143862
I agree with you for the most part, but I do think it's short sighted to assume that even comedy, satire or far out fiction doesn't also influence or enhance pre-existing behaviors.
I'm not a leftist or a progressive by any means, but I think that everything we see, hear and experience ultimately does exist in a kind of self-reinforcing feedback loop due to the nature of the world.
The problem we're seeing now with things like the ages of fictional characters being debated is more of a social meta problem now due to the fact that each generation has been more cocooned from reality than the last.
Young people have nothing else to hang onto OTHER than fictional characters, and so they develop deranged attachments to them. That itself means that these characters and the 'idea of consent' IS tied to fiction as "worth fighting for in reality," because the current culture has been infantilized.

The nature of the feedback loop has changed. We need more stories that examine the reality/fiction dichtomy themselves, more messages about why fictional characters don't matter and aren't real. Nobody is leading that charge, so the negative behaviors (like identifying as characters as real people and not accepting fiction as fiction,) are bubbling up more and more.

We're in an era now when depicting cartoon characters 'incorrectly' can get a person fired or sent to jail. The feedback loop is absolutely enhancing negative behavior, just not the kind that progressives think it is.

Ideally we'd need mirror of reality fiction that shows why it's wrong to cancel people over drawings, or why it's idiotic to 'respect the rights' of a cartoon character, but we'll probably never see such a thing. This next generation of artists is so ideologically compromised I fully suspect at some point they'll start giving nsfw artists the death sentence. These maniac 'progressives' are the ones who are about to inherit the world.';

'>>7143545
i dont mind anime. i hate their fucking stories and japanese mannerisms and quirks that are just stuck to japan as a whole. thats actual cringe and i dont know how people stomach that shit and go "yeah this is kino"';