'When this happens to me, I just get confused. Am I actually good just unseen or is it just their fans bandwagonning liking because he liked it';

'>>7145314
You're your own worst critic. I can't sing a note so when I listen to my friends who can sing it's genuinely impressive to me even if they think they fucked up a bunch, had bad technique, breath support, etc.';

'>>7145313
I love how this literally never happened to me';

'>>7145313
Ok, who the artist of that comic?
Cuz every single time that "lol relatable"/"nobody is noticing me" artists is a huge perma/begs/';

'>>7145313
Oh not this shit, Zoomers drive a shitty point in wanting attention in social media of their art and getting dissatisfied with it when it doesn't get attention, instead of drawing whatever the fuck they want and not giving a fuck, I probably bet the artist is a zoomer themselves seeing the pvz sunflower, Go fuck yourself if you draw just for clout.';

'>>7145313
Japanese people are way much nicer with retweets and follow backs, but fuck everybody else, i quit following westerners and those highly skilled Indonesians, they'll acknowledge you for a second and then ignore me, their followers pick me up for a split second before they realize that their hero doesn't follow me or like any of my shit, fuck y'all, you know who you are.';

'This happened to me yesterday, coincidentally. All I did was post some chibis, use two tags, and the next thing I knew, some guy retweeted it and my post did good numbers. +500 Likes, +100 RTs and ~20 follows, shit's neat.

People being bitter or delusional over this happening is just because it hasnt happened to them, cause at the end of the day it's a very standard thing for social media gaming. If you're chasing numbers for whatever reason, just do your thing, know your platform and *eventually* you'll break through. If you're not chasing numbers, then... what are you bitching for? Just keep drawing.

>>7145359
In that dumb "durr zoomers" rambling of yours, you make one point and it's the fact you shouldnt lose sleep over this kind of stuff. There's nothing wrong in playing the social media game as long as you keep yourself sane about it and continue drawing for the sake of your enjoyment first and foremost and not just to chase the numbers and the clout. It's just not healthy no matter where you look at it.
>also
>probably bet the artist is a zoomer themselves seeing the pvz sunflower
You are so full of shit if you think Plants VS Zombies of all games is a zoomers thing. I've known of people from three generations back that have had actively played that game at best or at worst know about it, not to mention not many young people nowadays talks about it other than for the waifufagging.

Zoomerkin is for the most part cringe, I get it, but you being so pissy about them is as bad, if not worse.';

'>>7145374
Shut up zoomer, but I am glad you agree.';

'>>7145368
If people aren't following you/retweeting your art, that's because your art sucks. Building a following is your responsibility, not theirs.';

'>>7145380
I don't care, my art did better numbers back when i was shit. They're mad because i went aggressive with my patreon, my art is average because it does average on pixiv.';

'>>7145313
I would never, ever retweet art from another artist. I don't fucking care if it's good or bad. I will not aid a competitor, I will not help to uplift my fellow negros, learn to rap and play basketball on your own like I did, you stinking animals.

Stop helping the weak to thrive. God commanded that they be filtered for a reason, all these back patting misguided good deeds do is enable systemic failure. Every time you help a beglet nigger out you are literally killing society.';

'>>7145394
This why I prefer YouTube, even after all these years it's still the most meritocratic of the social media websites. if you know how to play the algorithm game seriously you can make a million subs in a year.';

'>>7145313
How do I achieve Nanaca crash?';

'>>7145368
western sphere art twitter isn't about art, it's about porn and drama.
Who are the biggest western accounts?
>pornfags who also generate or create some sort of drama content
Khyle or Stonetoss for example. The first thing you always read about them
>haha they're so funny because they make the xyz seethe
When in reality, all the drama is unironically fake.
>>7145396
>if you know how to play the algorithm game seriously you can make a million subs in a year.
that ship has sailed long ago
tell me the big epic ytuber you mean and i'll tell you their "game".';

'>>7145313
I've done this to someone else. He grew bigger than me.';

'>>7145403
he will not do this back to you?';

'>>7145394
>Every time you help a beglet nigger out you are literally killing society.
Tell us about your successful society then';

'>>7145368
I don't retweet anymore because the gallery is blurred';

'>>7145396
>meritocratic
>play the algorithm game
anon, these are polar opposites.';

'>>7145313
Here's how that really goes down.';

'>>7145533
A more realistic scenario would be “I’m popping off, I’m popping off, I’m popping…..off. The likes stopped coming in. Uhm, why is nobody retweeting? I like the hearts but, come on guys? Guys?”
>engagement slows to a freezing halt
>1 new follower
>it’s a bot
“So much for that 40K artist retweet”';

'>>7145533
Beg';

'>>7145557
I'm good on that department actually, I made this comic talking about my own experience as the retweeter.';

'>>7145533
I felt this when an idol I follow retweeted my art.
At least she saw it and gave me a kissy emoji.
Practically got laid then and there.';

'>>7145533
lmao';

'>>7145533
At that point you really are at the mercy of the masses. Just because the big person noticed and liked it, doesnt mean everyone else will, this is where gittin gud actually matters. If the draw is good as is, you will keep the ball going for long enough and if the guy is REALLY big on numbers, even more so. And if you trigger some kind of chain reaction... ho boy...
But ultimately, if the art is not that good, nobody past the big guy will notice it.

I got my posts blown around four times (most of them chibis lmao) and for the last two instances momentum started slowing down after the 500 Likes, I guess that goes to show a little how good my stuff is, but that's a very sketchy measuring tool.';

'>>7145314
Unseen. I still have posts from a year ago finally gaining traction. There are tons of artists and skill does not always equal popularity. There are bad artists with tons of followers and good artists with little to no following. It's about connections. Your audience just needs to find you. You might be that certain person's favorite artist.
>>7145368
>Begging for retweets
This is just desperate. These anons >>7145359
>>7145374
are on the mark. Drawing for numbers is bad on the psyche and just comes across as shallow. Drawing whatever you want, and it surprisingly blowing up is a way better feeling than anticipating winning the algorithm lottery. And it comes across as more genuine when you're drawing to draw and not for fame. A lot of artists are already fake as fuck why would you want to add more to that pile.';

'>>7145654
See, this guy gets it. Self reflection is a must on art if you're determined to make numbers.';

'>>7145314
>just their fans bandwagonning liking because he liked it
that's how all of society works dude.';

'>>7145313
Nepotism';

'Why do these fags on twitter always feel like someone owes them something?
>poor little ol' me, you have so much, you have a moral obligation to help others in need, so I'm only asking you to be a decent person and for so little
>who have you helped in your own way then?
>crickets
Every time. These are just entitled shits that want to justify looking for handouts, sympathy, pity and free shit.';

'>>7145993
Yes, you've described most people today.

The real question is "how the fuck do we stop these empty headed clout chasers" from chasing nothing that matters?

I honestly think of it as just another filter. Artists who engage in social media drama, let themselves be swept away by the desire for numbers, chase clout, fotm, etc, wind up miserable and depressed and wash out. The nature of art itself rejects them and punishes them for their sinful ways with existential suffering until they neck themselves or wake up.';

'>>7145631
See I can actually understand why this would feel good.
I honestly can't give a shit when someone retweets anything of mine unless I actually like the person. Imagine being so shallow that all you care about are how many followers the other guy has, who gives a shit? Do they do good work that you respect, or don't they?

I hate this generation, I really do, fuck social media. If I wanted to stare at numbers and graphs all day I'd gone into accounting, not drawing for fuck's sake.';

'>>7145993
>>7146009

some people want an audience and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

i work my ass off and post frequently and i'm still only followed by acquaintances. i don't want to be hailed as the next michelangelo, i just want to have more than a fucking void to show my stuff to.';

'Whole topic aside, I find offputting the way some anons in this board talk about certain kinds of people as some sort of antagonizing force to which they have no association with. All I see is people jerking each other off by identifying an obvious issue and saying "I am not like them!" as if that was a merit worth praising.

You all speak about the entitlement of this generation as if you didnt belong in the same generation and werent just another flavor of entitlement.';

'>>7146020
You don't care about art. You care about being famous';

'>>7146093
"Nobody becomes an artist to be unseen."
-Paraphrased Moebius';

'>>7146093
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.';

'>>7145993
The irony exuding from posts like these is palpable. You're projecting. Also what kind of irredeemable waste of space asks a needy person what they've done to deserve help? lmao
Worse than boomers';

'>>7145313
>a large artist retweeting anything I post ever
hehe thats funny';

'>>7146112
The point is that these people don't believe what they say and are only looking out for themselves while expecting others to be selfless. They're just saying what they can to get what they want, like panhandlers, hence the image.
They are not needy in the slightest but trying to take advantage of others to do work they rather not do.';

'>gets 1k retweets but no new follower';

'>>7145993
Because I am self entitled and will use others to get ahead
Being a shitty person is based
Most people would murder and rape for sport if the law didn't exist
Anyone who replies is seething btw
Sexy taco';

'>>7145374
scrutiny:
temper that condescending tone towards "bitter and delusion people" with even a fraction of compassion anon. I know you don't think they deserve it and you're not wrong for thinking that.
Just: "disregard for the wicked" is not a bad maxim to live by. "Pushing on the table" is actually "the tables pushing back on me." You probably feel "rigid" sometimes when you draw struggle to "draw whatever feels fun".

Not judging just pointing it out.
>>7145378
I'm not. It's a weak point to make with a lot of watered down meaningless words designed to shut down "those people who are bad at drawing and that's why they can't make it." Just a silly 5-year-old thought to "make sense" of "how did I get retweeted anyway" to "be better than last time."';

'>>7145407
"people don't give a fuck about doing things for other people"

which is fine its:
>normal.
>animal.
>Selected for, naturally.
>mediocre and alterable.';

'>>7145993
>>7146145
Couldn't said it better myself, I have yet to see a beggar post go viral that wasn't from some painfully mediocre artist.';

'>>7145313
You should never tweet things like this imo
Not because it's "wrong" to want retweets but rather because it'll make you look weak.
Literally every Twitter artist feels the same way but you're saying the quiet part out loud';

'>>7145993
yeah, but on the opposite side, it also feels pretty bad when everything is just raw engagement bait and everyone just interacts with you and posts only for numbers with the ultimate goal being nothing but to garner clout.

Like, recently i had some 80k profile comments this
>wow this is so cool, want to be moots?
then i check his profile and he spams the same comment everywhere
You can pretty much summarize the majority of people on twitter like that
>they don't care about anything, except self-gain

In the end, why be on social media in the first place? Why try so hard to play the numbers game instead of enjoying what you actually enjoy?
Why should i interact with your content only to be seen as a number? It should at least be common courtesy to give a thanks or a like if anyone goes out their way to interact with your posts.
If you don't want people to interact with you, don't post or set your tweets so that none can reply.
If you don't want people you don't like to interact with your shit, block them.
If you only want to interact with your ""mutuals"", just stay on discord.

Like, Anon, treating other people as "content", is not good and will only create animosity in the long run.
Look at the current work environments
>treat people like replaceable puppets for decades
>now the younger generation doesn't want to work
The whole has more nuance than feelings of entitlement and reducing it to that is kind of like boomers calling everyone lazy for not working (for them) at less than min wage 20h day without breaks and ever taking holidays or getting sick or dying.
And it's no surprise social media is now flooded by bots because clout chasers wanted numbers so bad.';

'>>7146338
to add further to this:
People then complain why everything on social media is the same i.e. art as the most obvious example
>Why does everyone just draw the fotm anime girl floating in the void with her tits out? Why can't the just draw what they want?
Well, people just want to consume porn and comment on porn.
You see nsfw/lewd posts always getting incredibly mad engagement, hence if you are on social media you will eventually take that road to make the time you waste on it worthwhile because
>why the fuck should i post anything if anything i do gets ignored? Why should i scream into the void when i might as well just delete my social media and go do something more enjoyable?
>OR
>i just post the anime lewds and play the social media game like everyone else and maybe earn some money in the long run
In the end, you can theorize that all the current problems with social media, IS genuinely a consumer/audience issue.
They just don't want anything that isn't Kitsch and anything that isn't that, simply gets no traction.

You can unironically say that there is also some genuine gatekeeping going on, on a public platform, where the free market of ideas should be king but somehow favors big accounts literally sharting in everyone's face and everyone licking it up, while "you" have to actually put in "effort".
I dunno man, that's some bullshit and it reeks like that too, if you ask me.';

'>>7145313
I've retweeted nice art from someone who was blatantly better than me but who had a fraction of the following. Almost nobody gave a shit, I'm convinced that your retweets just aren't shown to people unless the Algorithm deems them worthy of being seen.';

'>>7146362
Skill is only 40 percent of the social media game
You need to tailor your art for a specific audience or meme/trend
I've seen literal pro who only have 10k followers and bad engagement';

'>>7146370
I think people who work professionally tend to have much lower followings because they either can't or don't feel like spending a lot of time on social media and playing the game. The massively popular artists are usually ones who are supporting themselves through their work and fan subscriptions instead of having a paid artist position.';

'Whenever something I drew or a couple of things in a row do really well and breach the 1k like range I start getting nervous and my next piece is almost way lower quality.';

'>>7146360
nta, but who fucking cares what the audience likes?

The 'audience' didn't know they wanted the xenomorph until Giger shoved it up their tight little boy pussies. The audience didn't know they wanted virtually ANY major art movement or style until some group of artists created it and threw it into the world. Prior to 1980, anime girls weren't even a thing in the west.

If all you aspire to is to please the mindless kitsch lovers of the audience, all you will become is a mindless creator of things you don't even like, surrounded by people you hate. That fate, to me, is far worse than quitting OR screaming into the void indefinitely.

It's better to have a handful of people who get you and appreciate you than an ocean of disposable weebs. 99% of everything is crap after all. This "follow the majority, waa, why won't they love me for my original vision" thing amongst artists makes me crave the gas chamber.

>In the end, you can theorize that all the current problems with social media, IS genuinely a consumer/audience issue.

It's more nuanced than this. I think you're just eager to blame the audience for your feelings, a kind of entitlement towards "popularity" and cultural relevance that you think you're owed, but you're not. You can't have both. There's a reason "generic" entails widespread cultural dissemination by definition, and why popularity is seldom regarded as a metric for artistic quality. Complaining about the audience just tells me you don't care about artistry, you care about numbers.

Anytime I hear someone complaining about numbers on social media and bemoaning the "shallow audience," all I can think is "if they're so shallow, why the fuck do you want their company so badly?" Ever been stuck in a room with someone you hate? It's that times 100k.

It's okay to toil in obscurity for what you love. If all you love are numbers, go ahead and chase them, but don't be surprised when you realize that man cannot find fulfillment through clout alone.';

'You know you can sell your soul to fags on the internet for likes and popularity through drawing fotm girls, Normal boring ass ships, Or Whatever thats considered amazing by normal fags, But is it worth it? Would you rather sell your soul to billions of normalfags on the internet, Fearing that anything you say will twist their panties calling you shit like proshipper and what not? Instead of being able to draw whatever you want, Any character you like without fearing the wrath of normal fags, But you'll only get as little as possible for doing something unique and niche, but its what you want in the end. It may even piss off others.
Are they more important than yourself? Why care about others when you can draw for yourself? It would make you much more happier

You can become instantly popular as a vtuber by making some emo e boy persona or some shit with using a generic anime boy character, And sell your soul to a vtuber company, You instantly gain a fanbase because those guys know how to advertise you, But at what cost? You gained fans that are batshit insane femcels or pathetic gay males, That would throw alot of money at you. You live in constant paranoia of pissing off them or your agents, what would be the cost?
Is it worth it so sell yourself out? I am friends with a porn artist that has 40k followers if not higher and all he draws is girls with oversized tits and asses most of the time and nothing else. Its kinda sad but thats the only thing he ever draws.';

'>>7145313
>i like being at the whims of people more socially connected, and perhaps, more powerful than i';

'>>7145313
Except when everything is botted, Muskrat only makes it worse.';

'>>7146393
>missing the point this hard
>shooting the messenger as well
Now see, if this is the average reading comprehension and IQ and reply on the internet, how can you not point the audience/consumer as the core issue of the problem?
Everything is just either self-referential or a you-vs-me debate, it's insufferable.

So doesn't this beg the question of why waste time and energy posting anything and only post what people will feel heckin valid about and gets their dopamine receptors firing?

But sure, let's just assume you're just baiting to provoke and emotional reaction and prove yet again the point that people are just fucking retarded and baiting/trolling is just another route of consuming other people as content.

Why should i argue you in the first place? I could just as well ignore and call you a schizo and get it over with.';

'>>7145538
>>7145313

Newsflash, twitter its mostly a botted website to create false pushups and just make artificiality tp fuck with people and scam their money, Muskrat only trick you guys into paying 8$ a month for a worthless bluecheckmark that all it does its magnetized bots to give you a micro tiny push that still does jackshit and to make longer tweets, and now the faggots charges 13$ instead, he made tge Media Gallery feed for your art, then he fucked it all up on porpusse to fuck with people because he got a brainfart, now he wants to charge people even more just to "MAAAAAAAAAYBE" reduce the bot problem, but not the Birth Shadow Banning and Throthleling to accounts that just start, because Muskrat is that, he is not based, he is a RAT.';

'>>7146155
Twitter is botted shit';

'>>7146421
Regardless, I still don’t want to be a have not. I have something to prove.';

'>>7146282
Post like this will just fuck you over in the long run and complaining about no followers/likes. Most people don't like whiny bitches, so you either get mass blocked, develop a reputation where people will stay away from you, or get a bunch of pity followers/likes that will lead to no retention on your account. All of those complaining post get loads of likes mainly from people with no followers or same position as op and they don't even follow each other back.';

'>>7146370
40% is too high, it's like 20%.';

'>>7146370
I know someone who's a friend of mine who's drawing skills are beg and even says that his jealous over how good I Draw, Yet I see that mfr has 100 or more followers on instagram than i do. And his post gain more likes';

'People will do anything but draw. Twitter is perhaps the most meriticratic place for an artist in hunan history. Everwhere else you could win with nepotism or being at the right place at the right time. On twitter, you are free to post art that people want to share.';

'>>7146370
I promise you pros do not care about twitter numbers.';

'>>7145359
Zoomers are NGMI. Dead-eyed algorithm chasers who think they can out slop AI.';

'>>7146395
This hellscape was ruined by normalfags and third-worlders, gatekeeping is seen as wrong and a taboo. We failed.';

'>>7146851
The way artists need to gatekeep their hobby now is to not post on social media. Make artist friends and share amongst each other, maybe share some works once in a blue moon, but probably not on the major websites. Some spontaneity and mystery needs to be rekindled on where you might actually see something you didn't know you wanted. Today, everyone knows where art goes, and that unsurprising expectation cheapens it. Normies are trying to kill art with social media and AI, so as an artist, why reward them with anything deeper than what they think they want? Let them shit terrible art into each other's mouths forever, anyone who's actually interested should have to keep their ear to the ground.';

'>>7146395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0mYV2WjfRY
I think you need to watch this, before its too late. Same applies for anyone with your mentality.';

'>>7146902
Fine, sure thing ano-
>Sam hyde
Whatever point you were making has been instantly destroyed.';

'>>7146907
He's funny sometimes but i cant imagine actually going to him for advice. 95 IQ behavior.';

'>>7145313
yep. life is almost entirely about social connections';

'>>7146272
i just realized that jesus was an enterpreneur, selling courses called christianity and selling his book, bible. it all makes sense now.';

'>>7146395
did you even consider that fotm girls are popular for a reason? or that artists that only draw one thing actually like doing that?
and why tf do you care about popularity anyway? are you some sort of extrovert? if you don't want to be a vtuber, then don't be one. who gives a hoot. 99.99% of people will never amount to anything.
even being a "great artist" doesn't guarantee success or mean anything significant. raising a family or helping others is a whole lot more meaningful, thankful endeavor.';

'>>7147017
Jesus didnt write the bible, idiot.';

'>>7147026
>and why tf do you care about popularity anyway? are you some sort of extrovert?
The opposite: an introvert who feels an extrovert when I post.';

'>>7146418
>Now see, if this is the average reading comprehension and IQ and reply on the internet, how can you not point the audience/consumer as the core issue of the problem?
No, I'm absolutely convinced now the problem is definitely on your end.
>So doesn't this beg the question of why waste time and energy posting anything and only post what people will feel heckin valid about and gets their dopamine receptors firing?

Why waste time and energy living if it all ends in death? Why waste time and energy drawing what you want to draw for the sake of drawing what you want to draw?

The social media poisoned clowns on this board, I swear. It's like you're incapable of seeing anything outside of the rigid little box of "content, engagement, and energy input output social investment." Why are you even an artist? Go into accounting or (((banking))), those careers seem much better suited to your hylic sensibilities.

Since it's obvious you have no desire to draw and your entire personality is a maladaptive coping mechanism, just give up and stop drawing. You will never find satisfaction in it and will die miserable blaming everyone else for your failure to create value in your own life.

The audience owes you nothing and doesn't care about how you feel. They never did, they never will. Sell out or grow up.';

'>>7147041
who cares what happened a million years ago?
you CHOOSE to care because you're insufferable';

'>>7145407
No because I got suspended and lost my connections.';

'>>7146907
You don't need to take everything he says, like the self improvement things, but I believe his art, comedy, design insights are good. His advices for creative types aka the things what is relevant here are solid.
>>7146988
its a very redditor behavior to think you are above the system, throwing around IQ scores. If you cannot offer something to the world with your art, its most likely you are printing out self satisfying crap, because deep down you know that the shit you make has no value whatsoever for other people. Its usually begs who have this mentality and people in their 20's.
>>7146421
Remember when these faggots literally ddosed themselves to get rid of them? Tech stuff is filled with indians who are too stupid to know what to do with situations like this. Now they censor everything because Mastercard wants its monetizeable, ultra sterile slop so the advertisments can spread.';

'>>7145313
>My worth is my viewership
Sad';

'>>7147049
>WHAT? YOU HAVE NO DESIRE TO DELIVER FREE CONTENT TO RETARDS ON TWITTER?!?! OMG JUST STOP DRAWING! WTF IS THIS ATTITUDE? LIKE LMAO LOL SUCH COPE R U PROVOKED N OFFENDED YET? HAVE I EPICALLY BAITED YOU? LOOK YOU REPLIED!!11!!! KEK!!! THE AUDIENCE OWES YOU NOTHING BUT YOU OWE ME FREE ART!!! CHECKMATE!!!!
You're even failing to understand that no one needs to be on social media in the first place.

Goddamn, zoomer IQs being around 80 is no actual joke.';

'>>7146370
Because people who aren't children or college students dont have the time to give a rat's ass about internet clout. They're way busy with their job or commitments.';

'>>7145533
>nooo don't retweet smaller artists, they don't actually get new followers!!!!
i can tell you're a big artist shill trying to stop them from retweeting';

'>>7147352
>literally obsessed with whether one is on or is not on social media.
>while on social media
>trying to convince people to leave social media.
>Mad at people who like social media.
>Mad at people who don't like social media.
>Mad at people who use social media and don't have the right taste.
>Seething about fotm and kitsch being a thing.
>Seething about sharing things for free for no reward.
>Seething about the algorithm not rewarding you when you do share.
>Deliberately misinterpreting every word to remain angry about externalities.

You are utterly incoherent. You don't draw.
Don't share your work, either online or elsewhere. Garbage artist, garbage art. Get in the incinerator with the rest.';

'>>7147482
>nooooooo you must give me free content!!! ur so angry!!! UR POOPYHEAD AND YOU'RE ART SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
80IQ was an overstatement.';

'>>7147352
This is what a mental breakdown looks like.';

'undefined';

'>>7147491
Actually delusional.';

'>NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU BUT GIVE ME YOUR STUFF FOR FREE!!! SHCIZO!!!!! OMG MALDING ABOUT AI?! MUST BE BECAUSE THE VOICES IN MY HEAD ARE TELLING ME THIS; YOU SCHIOZO!!!!!!! COPE HAHAHA EPIC TROLL DELUSIONAL LOK HE STILL REPLYING HAHA MENTAL BREAKDOWN!!! WE GOT HIM SISTERS!!!! EPIC!!!!

are these genuine bots?';

'Content creation is fucking dead.
Just look at the likes of youtube. Clickbait titles, clickbait thumbnails, the "onions face while pointing at object" formula all to hop on some algorithm, and even if you do find the golden gem, that's only half the battle. Now you fight against 1%ers who have no content creating talent to steal your shit and make it their own ie """"""""""reacting""""""""""

any of this sounds vaugely similar?';

'>>7147499
I don't want your stuff for free. I believe artists should be paid for their efforts.

I'd happily commission though if you're good. pyw schizo, I want to see what a genuine insane person's art looks like.';

'>>7147502
No, bro, nobody cares about you, schizo!
Just put the content out there for free and stop caring about making your work worth something!
fucking seething are you? hehe ai will replace you

epic troll sisters!';

'>>7147505
I'm not engaging in you two schizo's ramblings I'm just putting my 2 cents in on how monetization killed creativity';

'>i'd happily commission you
>schizo pyw buzzword buzzword r u mad yet tho? r u mad yet? r u mad yet? look how offensive i'm being!!! r u mad? bet ur mad? hehe schizooooooo!!!
imagine going out of your way for hours just to try to insult people';

'>>7147507
"creativity" doesn't the pay bills, anon. besides, if every one is creative, then no one is.';

'>ITT
>seething tranny actually malding over the fact that people won't give him free content
>outs himself the exact moment he gets found out and that his epic troll has no effect by using the usual unoriginal buzzwords and insults
unironical 49 IQ';

'>>7147515
While true, unless you're racking in consecutive concurrent viewers or are living in a 3rd world country, neither is streaming or making videos or making art.';

'>>7145313';

'>>7145353
Toccatta on Twitter, pyw';

'>>7147515
It's insane how disattached people are from reality. It's usually the low skilled ones who started out no so long ago that being the idea guy, La Creatividad is the best shit ever, and get angry when they cannot consume media for free, and their work has no value for others, as they continue to make it for themselves to satisfy their urges. Art is a luxury, not a necessity.

People even ITT try to control things which they cannot. You can fuck off innawoods, and pain with oil and make colors out of bugs and berries, but its not gonna stop a well known artist making fanart of the new hyped up anime. Nobody is forcing you to be a part of the system, but if you want to make money you need other people, and that means to abide some rules. You are making crappy art, but if it sells, is it still crappy? Then it has some sentimental value. If you hear about drawing furries with diapers, the first thought is "ew, that shit sucks" but if the artist says someone paid 600 dollar for a one piece, and shows you his paypal, your perspective immediately changes.';

'>>7147800
>If you hear about drawing furries with diapers, the first thought is "ew, that shit sucks" but if the artist says someone paid 600 dollar for a one piece, and shows you his paypal, your perspective immediately changes.
I wish Mike Rowe would do a segment on soiled diaper furry art commission artists before going on Fox News and saying, "That's called opportunity, and opportunity is what America is all about."';

'>>7147470
The point is, if your art looks like shit, a retweet won't help you. Work on yourself first.';

'>>7148089
if you get followers and retweets, it isn't a measure of your skill.';

'>>7148089

I’m getting recommended a whole lot of garbage artists literally /beg/ qualifying and they’re getting at least 30 - 100 likes.';

'>>7148089
My beg shit has gotten 500 to 1k likes at times from retweets
Social media clout is not a measure of skill';

'>>7148126
>>7148145
>>7148151
I was going to reply seriously, but it occurs to me that you guys don't really give a shit about artistic progress so you can look at this massive coombait account that's more popular than you'll ever be. Make a meme repost account if you want numbers that badly.
https://twitter.com/3barts';

'>>7148179
So yes.
Social media followers aren't equal to skill';

'>>7148205
No, it is. But you're too retarded to see that appeal is also a skill. So seethe.';

'>>7148253
anon, why are you coping? Your art is /beg/ shit and using the you need to be skilled to get numbers as an excuse. Just like you don't need to make quality content/videos to get a large following/views(react channels)';

'>>7148179
>artistic progress is when you see high numbers';

'>>7148253
>appealing to the lowest common denominator is now a skill because kids, coomers and bots give you imaginary numbers
holy fuck porntards don't know what shitty delusional cope they must lie themselves in to feel a shred of superiority

Now we wait for the imminent reply of
>oooeeeemgeee if its so ez y dont u do it? hehe cope seethe
No, thank you. I will not join you in your misery.';

'>>7146020
It's okay to have that desire, but please don't be like >>7145386 and blame everything on people for their lack of follows.';

'>>7146370
>You need to tailor your art for a specific audience or meme/trend
Tailoring my art for a specific audience was crucial for me, and it's just one of the many strategies that helped me reach 100k in 2 years. It definitely makes it easier for people to follow you. Once your art gets good enough and you have a loyal following, you can start drawing more random stuff, and they'll stick around.';

'>>7148341
what strategy you should even do? Just draw current meme trends or what? Not to mention I have commissions in my ass so I really need to be selective on what I draw between them.';

'>>7148304
If pic rel is the best you can do, it's no wonder no one gives a shit about your art.
>>7148270
Uh huh, sorry about the late reply I was replying to commissioners and thanking friends for gift art.';

'>>7148350
>hehe but ur bad! gotcha!
>retard gets filtered by bad drawings
You only owned yourself with this, nodraw.';

'>>7148346
My focus has been creating fan art of female characters and giving them a fit, muscular look. (Muscle mommies seem to be trendy lately so that helped.) I stuck to this theme for two years. By sticking to a specific genre, it's become easier for people to recognize the kind of artist I am.

On Twitter, I began following all the other muscle artists whose work I liked and who were drawing something similar to my art genre. I learned about their style, their posting frequency, and how they interacted with their followers. By commenting under their posts and just kept drawing what I liked/what they might also like, I got their attention.

Not limited to Twitter, I also sought out every fit girl Reddit and Facebook art group I could find and began posting there. People here hate Reddit and Facebook but these platforms have tons of people hanging out.';

'>>7148365
facebook may work, but reddit is actually useless. Those fuckers would updot anything and you still won't get any traction there.';

'>>7145313
they mean nothing, i have a friend with 214k followers that reposts my stuff and i don't get shit from it';

'>>7148365
I completely avoided reddit and facebook so far. Twitter has been doing shit for me but pixiv is suprisingly good at least so far. I repost stuff on witter too sometimes comment, but still it looks like just a fart in a hurricane, but thanks for the tips.';

'>>7145368
>those highly skilled Indonesians
That's kinda specific';

'>>7145368
>Japanese people are way much nicer with retweets and follow backs
unironically this
really good jap artist constantly likes and retweets my stuff on baraag and even comment
japs know that you need help to grow and they don't have self hatred issues like westerners have, so they're fine with seeing non jap art';

'>>7145368
>>7149195
Have you retweet beggars actually tried getting good at art';

'I guess it's a good thing that I'm not drawing for attention, at least not from the horde. I just want to appeal to the ten other perverts out there into my thing.';

'>>7147534
This is the sad reality of post Tumblr Exodus Twatter';

'>>7148389
because of bots and algorythms';

'>>7149195
Also have the same experience
>follow some jap that does something completely different
>follows me back
>comment on jap artists work
>they always reply and drop a like
>they are never involved in drama
Meanwhile with westerners
>they only circlejerk within their own discord friends
>maybe reply if you drop some bland praise
>never follow you
>always ready to cancel anyone for clout
fuck, i think the weebs who always wanted to be japanese had a point';

'>>7145394
You're the literal reason everyone hates niggers btw . Good thing real blacks from north Africa don't think like this. But also this is really just American culture now because the white zoomers just copies your mentally now.';

'>>7145314
kek, all the replies are true

>>7146093
not him but you need an audience to sell. social medias are broken, it's hard to get organic traction with little to no following, and without playing trends and the like.';

'People will seriously act like artists since the stone ages wasn't groomed by the public to want eyes on them for them drawing pretty pictures. Maybe you zoomers got it twisted about reality, but all throughout my pre myspace/facebook life, kids would aleays gawk over the fact i could draw and would always ask for me to draw for them. I wish back then i was as skilled as i am now, cuz then it would be stuff I'd like to look back on, but it was notmal as fuck to just have nice stuff made for people and they would appreciate that shit. But now social media poisoned that concept, part from making AI gen tier slop the norm to pump out every second, part from the toxic connect you must feel validated for doing anything anymore to justify your rather pointless existance, instead of just living doing what you wanna do because you can. It's sad, but i guess being an adult is a natural degradation everyone is doomed to, as the glee from being a kid artist is the only time you can enjoy both being an artist and people being normal and supportive with your art.';

'>if i upload my work on the internet, there is no point to it unless i get rewarded
>if i dont get rewarded for it, there is no point in wasting your work on social media
>if i am not a famous person or already known, there is no point in pursuing anything on social media
>if i don't draw porn, there is also no point
>if i don't already have a network outside of the social media, there is no point to it
This is basically common sense because why stick with something that only has risks if it doesn't reward you?

>get shit on for thinking that and told i should just upload content on the internet until i win the lottery
>told i am not le real artiste for not uploading free content in a web space full of grifters, scammers and 3rd worldlers who steal art
>if it's not those, it's just other artists trying to game the platform and don't give a shit unless they can gain something out of it
>because of course if you're not posting on the internet every time you take a piss you actually don't even piss and of course you don't draw if you don't post your drawings
>and if you do not get rewarded, well guess "you just suck lol lmao and just post on the internet because.... just do it ok?"
>and yes of course likes and followers are evidence of skill
>and if the work actually sucks but makes numbers, guess you're just jealous
If the explanation isn't actual bot replies, it's straight up bad actors and crabs trying to unironically gaslight you

I block and mute most high follower, porn, flavor of the month, gacha, politics, ai and engagement baiting accounts
Basically every type of botting, inorganic and sociopathic grifter.
I do that and my TL is incredibly fun to scroll through with actual content that is worth liking and sharing.';

'>>7149691
btw i also block every bot that interacts with my account in any manner.
And onlyfans whores, vtubers, streamers, ecelebs, youtubers also.

Most of the anons on this board are blocked as well, even those who don't show themselves posting here anymore.';

'>>7149707
oh fuck oh dear oh fiddle sticks how the ever loving christ in heaven will anyone move on with their lives after you blocked them ooh no no noooo';

'>>7149691
This only matters if you're trying to profit from it, which is pretty much the MO for most of the internet zoomers';

'>>7149711
That is the point. If you're trying to profit from it, there is no point if you're not getting rewarded.
And there is no point in posting on social media if you're not trying to profit from it, hence why people have this """competition""" mindset and it is impossible to be on social media for any other reason since 99% of the userbase is on it to profit.

But somehow people shit on you if you don't do it for free.';

'>>7149710
uuuuhm why would anyone care if i block them?
i am doing it for my own sake, not to spite anyone.';

'>>7149719
>uuuuhm why would anyone care if i block them?

likewise';

'>>7149716
Think you're going too far on the deep end with that but yeah in social media or just internet media in general is fucked.';

'>>7149723
idk why you're being petty
can i have your profile so that i can block you if you dont already are?
>>7149727
I know i am and that i should just speak, hear and see no evil, but i am simply verbalizing and run out of "it is what it is"';

'>>7149580
You need to be very delicate when encounering even other western artist, and commissioners, as its literally walking on eggshells to not trigger xer, so xe won't make a pitchfork mob against you. I have seen so many disturbingly mentally ill people in art communities.
It's so very tiring even talking to these people, I'm considering of dropping this whole being part f the art cabal stuff, and reaching out and whatnot. Stop doing commissions via DMs and whatnot, and I'll just fuck off to skeb. I won't need to talk to mentally ill faggots, who want millions of revisions, I get paid, your mentally ill mob won't be able to harass me, because your ass is banned off skeb if you do that. Every info you need is on my front page, including how fast I work, for how much and how much you can trust me.';

'>>7145368
Names of those indons?';

'>>7145394
I just don’t retweet anyone because my blog/twitter is about my art and when I have to go through the hassle of wading through everyone else’s work, memes, or food pics I get annoyed.

Your reason is lame tho.';

'>>7149580
>fuck, i think the weebs who always wanted to be japanese had a point
You have no idea how much this strikes me in the feels. At the risk of sounding cliche, its like that stereotypical meme about guys who chase after the beautiful popular girl who will NEVER give them the time of day no matter what meanwhile they ignore the homely girl next door who would in fact give them the time of day then some if only the guy would get his head out of the clouds long enough to notice her.

I too have had my share of Japanese artists on social media follow me, like and RT my art, even comment on it here and there. And I'm just a dumb western weeaboo "manga artist". Is it too late for me to embrace the JP meta?';

'>>7146811
I am a pro and can confirm
I post on twitter once per month, I literally don't care
My commission line is filled for 3 months already
My money comes from THOSE people posting the art they get, and tagging back to me
Soloposting in twtitter to "grow a fanbase" is the most inefficient and sad thing to do';

'>>7149580
its weird, because I heard complaint about how block happy Japanese artist were all the time, are you sure this isn't filtering effect?

secondly, that last point sounds rich coming from a clout chaser.';

'>>7150085
>as its literally walking on eggshells
Extremely on point.
It seriously feels like you can't say any single word that might trigger the insecurity of some kid and god forbid you make any slight jokes. Not only you have to hover over eggshells, but also treat them like radioactive material, hazmat suit and all. It's just tiresome and stressful.
Meanwhile japs will literally say anything and if you make a joke, they'll joke back.
>>7150358
>Is it too late for me to embrace the JP meta?
Never too late. Just choose carefully which westerners you interact with because the majority of them are just straight up insufferable and extremely egomaniacal and self-centered.
It solely depends on your personality and i happen to rather fit in with the japs who are generally just more chill and talkative about their hobbies... and now i'll just wait for the usual barrage of insults because i dared show genuine feelings and interests and that's cringe
>>7150378
Why shouldn't people block other people?
If one is being straight up obnoxious or constantly insulting; why shouldn't they block them? Like bro, talk about your hobbies, or interests instead of trying to "btfo people epic style" 24/7.
>secondly, that last point sounds rich coming from a clout chaser.
This is exactly what would get you blocked because you're just making shit up simply to insult and at best maybe to bait any kind reply.
This is just tiring and annoying when everyone thinks they are epic and 4000IQ trolls.

Do you really believe anyone must deal with a person like this, flying over eggshells and watching his every syllable?
>"hehe did you just breathe? wow guess you must hate carbon dioxyde, you fucking racist! I bet you even but butter on toast! hehe r u mad yet?"
And if you start seeing retards just spamming some variation of it, they just get blocked. Simple as.

If i said this shit on social media, it would make me a target of harassment by kiddies and the mentally ill and the ""trolls"".';

'>>7150880
I am not the person griping about people not responding to strangers on every little interactions, you are.';

'>anon has no interest in the conversation
>goes out of his way to post yet another inane insult
>are you btfo yet? owned haha u replied? double owned
And then they wonder why they get blocked.';

'Faraz Shanyar and Jens Claessens are literally the only artists I've ever seen routinely retweet small artists. Made me realize how fucking clique-y the entire Twitter community is.';

'>>7145313
I have 900 followers and I don't really even wanna "get big" Like my art averages 200 likes and it's all fanart. I get enough commissions as it is and I wouldn't even be able to deal with the pressure because the bigger your following is the more chances you'll trigger some schizo who will do everything they can to take you down or stalk you hack your shit or even doxx you or even try to get your paypal banned and shit like that. No thanks I am fine improving at my slow pace and with my niche fanbase. Dunno why everyone's obsessed with having hundreds of thousands of followers';

'>>7150880
>feelings and interests and that's cringe
Yeah, you should definitely stop doing that and embrace the hustle culture grindbro clout chasing numbers game instead, trust me it's much better than being a person.
>7149580
Why would you want either? Japs are fake as hell for the sake of social harmony, westerners are political zombies and drama addicts who want nothing but to reduce everyone and everything into a cheap stream of content.
They're all poison either way.';

'>>7150880
>If i said this shit on social media, it would make me a target of harassment by kiddies and the mentally ill and the ""trolls"".
Nah it's unlikely anyone would care because you've contributed nothing to society that makes your opinion about art or social media valuable to anybody but yourself.
Your seething about what other people do and don't do on social media is heckin valid zoomer. Stay obsessed, stay mad.';

'>>7150880
>pages of seething about nothing
>It's just tiresome and stressful.
Try not caring.';

'>>7150880
>t solely depends on your personality and i happen to rather fit in with the japs who are generally just more chill and talkative about their hobbies...

I think the barrage of insults has more to do with your lack of self-awareness than your authenticity. You've done nothing but rant like some edgy teenager high off the fumes of his own self importance.';

'I learned something funny over the last few months, Get your art, Liked, Retweeted and quoted praising, Over any of your posts and people will go in a smaller and slower droves like its big yeah but not too big, But get in trouble and have some 15 year old zoomer with 1k followers sending his fans to harass you, And they will come in fast droves, And it would spread like fire all over the community on twitter, only for it to get forgotten for like a few days, People are more inclined to talk shit about someone than actually supporting them, The whole premise of the website is built like this.';

'>>7151663
take this as an advice, any publicity is good publicity in the end.';

'>>7151650
>>7151659
holy projection';

'Why does anyone even post here? What are any of you even hoping to achieve?';

'>>7151703
entertainment';

'>>7151719
Is it though? Is bitterly self destructing online while your limited time on the earth evaporates really entertainment or is it a form of self destruction masquerading as fun?
I'm here for the resources and generals. It's crazy to me when I step outside of them to see this kind of self hating behavior so widespread across the board.
To each their own I suppose.';

'>>7151722
were on a board designed for drawing where everyone acts like a catty woman 24/7 while the world exploits us and not even we can organize enough fucks for each other to work together as a guild.

dicking around on here is a few minutes of forgetting this, better than alcoholism.';

'>>7145313
KEK, meanwhile.';

'>>7151731
Private quote tweeting? Isn't that a way for twittertrannies to shit on someone without them noticing?';

'>>7151722
I get to watch anons tear each other apart over a hobby that should have a supportive community.';

'>>7151858
>supportive community
/ic/ is the hood of the art world, nigger.';

'>>7151860
I'm speaking of art in general, not /ic/
/ic/ would rather complain about numbers';

'>>7151865
Plenty of supportive communities on youtube, reddit, discord, etc.
There is no such thing as a supportive community on 4chan the site is made for drama engagement and dopamine bait and nothing more.';

'>>7151760
No you idiot, read the tweet, he literally says that HE CANT see the quote tweets but they are displayed on another account.

Its literally like when Youtube users ghost you or shadowban your comments but you can still see them to give you dalse hope, but nobody else can.

Its all fuckery you disingenuous Trinny.';

'>>7151663
You are one evil mofo, but still based, but what do you mean by "trouble".';

'>>7152381
Anything that offends a 15 year old, Fandom twitter tranny, Especially if you are an artist, Kids are wannabe christian parents nowadays.';

'>>7152430
I remembered when I was 13 I got riled up over fictional characters being shipped with the 'wrong' partner so desu kids getting upset just over the littlest thing is not too far fetched. Unfortunately twitter exist nowadays so we can see the entire nothingburger explodes and quickly fizzle out 3 days later.';

'>>7146093
hell yes, i just happened to draw since i was a kid (sunk cost)';

'>>7145313
Nah, this more accurate.';

'>>7152022
dont argue with him, he is just a shitwheel

>>7155873
>pronouns

Sucks, but its true,';

'>>7145313
No, bots do. >>7155873';