'>>121565914
If Shake it Off is a hit then how come I can't remember it?';

'>>121565914
That’s not true at all she has a lot of hits that are essentially inescapable even if you’ve only heard them in supermarkets or commercials and things of that nature.';

'everytime I heard that song when I was younger I would just think of shaking pee off my dick';

'>>121565914
The hits from Red and 1989 are the only songs I ever heard or could remembers years later. But that was probably the last time that pop radio was ubiquitous.';

'Starting to show signs of dementia there but you expect it at the tender age of 69. What hits do Pet Shop Boys have? Yeah exactly. Taylor clears him';

'I thought he was saying "Phillipinos nut in my son" for years and always thought that was fucked up for a radio hit.';

'>>121565914
Based. PSB wrote kino that TS couldn't dream of.';

'>>121565914
I have always thought this. It feels like she's just famous for being a meme more than her actual music at this point.';

'>>121565973
They have sold more than 50 million records, produced over 40 Top 40 singles, four UK number ones
Maybe they weren't big in USA';

'>>121566079
You can prove anything with facts cant you? Twat';

'Drake has also a remarkable absence of any hits anyone knows.';

'>>121565914
I was thinking when listening to her new album that no one will know any of these songs 20-30 years from now. It all blended together.';

'>>121566186';

'>>121565958
They're also not very universal songs, only some middle class white women could identify with them. The whole planet is not going to be singing along to "Shake It Off" like they did Michael Jackson's tunes.';

'>>121565914
>Shake it Off
Never listened to that song. Not that I don't want anyway.';

'>>121565914
>older artist shitting on swift
very dangerous these days. he should get the medal of honor';

'>>121566186
one dance
hotline bling
in my feelings
god's plan';

'>>121566317
Not a single known song.';

'I've literally never heard a single taylor swift song';

'>>121565914
this is actually a good thing.

hits are too annoying.';

'it's because they're completely formulaic songs, in lyrics and composition. there is astoundingly great song, but an effective formula for sales';

'I've always liked Taylor Swift but she sings about "bad man breakup" too damn much.';

'She does have massive hits, but I feel like the past 10/15 years doesn't really have cultural phenomenon level hits, even if technically the numbers are often higher than the Billie Jeans.
Hit songs used to be pretty much universally known. From the grandma to the little kid everyone would know the lyrics to a massive song, and it would be popular or at least remembered for years after it left the charts.
Nowadays I feel like even the most massive hits get forgotten pretty quickly and never reach half of the cultural impact of hits in, say, the 80s or 90s.
Is it because we're way more diversified and everyone just listens to whatever on Spotify instead of tuning in to the radio and listening to the same few songs on rotation?
Is it because people used to buy an album and listen to it a million times and now streams are more "disposable" for lack of a better term?

What are some recent cultural hits?';

'>>121565914
Where's her Blurred Lines? Her Uptown Funk? Her Take Me to Church?';

'>>121566366
Bruno Mars, Ed Sheeran, Rihanna, Katy Perry and The Weeknd have massive hits, they are from the same gen as Swift.

Even Miley had a recent worldwide hit with Flowers
Not really an excuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0';

'I've always thought I can't tell a swift song bc I'm old (34).
Now I see I am not the only one.';

'>>121566439
>Bruno Mars, Ed Sheeran, Rihanna, Katy Perry and The Weeknd have massive hits
yet not a single person has heard them';

'>>121566455
>yet not a single person has heard them
Guess you have something in common.';

'>>121566455
Cope';

'>>121566210
Now this is a hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZNtYmdZ-4c


I DON'T CARE IF I NEVER COME DOWN';

'>>121566455
are you fucking retarded';

'>>121565973
West End Girls';

'>>121566439
Big streaming numbers, but do they stick around long term? That's what that guy was more getting at I think. These songs quickly fade from memory while the 80s hits are still remembered today.';

'Blank Space, Love Story, Cruel Summer

She's had a good amount of "8/10" hits but yeah maybe hasn't hit that 10';

'>>121566547
>people don't remember uptown funk because i said so';

'>>121566547
Nostalgia for the early 10's is pretty big, that was the last time music had hits.';

'>>121566366
>Is it because we're way more diversified and everyone just listens to whatever on Spotify instead of tuning in to the radio and listening to the same few songs on rotation?
this, combined with just a general lack of talent across the board from the singers to the producers to management. no one really has to escucha de schwiftie kino if they don't want to outside the retail industry and none of the current big name pop artists put out anything uniaue or interesting that makes them identifiable by ear. we're kind of in a post-WW2 malaise era thanks to lazy consultancy rackets and algorithmic refinement practices. gay male schizos online will point to their faves' streaming numbers because they follow it like horse racing but for the average shithead on the street it's all hoop dee doo with rhianna vocals. no one really pays attention or cares';

'>>121566165
Yeah that’s usually how that works';

'>uptown funk was almost 10 years ago
What the fuck';

'This whole thread yapping and I still ain't seen no Billie Jean.';

'>>121565914
Her Billie Jean?

Probably Style
The intro still goes hard almost 10 years later

YOU GOT THAT
JAMES
DEAN
DAY
DREAM
LOOK IN YOUR EYE

1989 was her magnum opus as far as your average non-fan listener goes';

'>>121566165
>You can prove anything with facts cant you?';

'Her most omnipresent songs are Shake it Off and Blank Space. I've never had any interest in Taylor Swift but have been passively exposed to those';

'She has 0 memorable songs';

'>>121566694
Blank Space, Style and Shake It Off are all extremely memorable haha $10 says you can hear each song play if you try hard enough despite your claims';

'>>121566663
I recognize that one ....... and some of her teenager country ones.';

'>>121566720
>All written and composed by Max Martin

Kek, she fired the GOAT but he's still the best thing Swift ever had';

'>>121566781
Max knows a thing or two about writing a good melody and slapping some basic love lyrics over it

Seriously
How does he do it?

Demon summoning?';

'>>121566806
Actually it had mostly to do with the fact that he didn't let her do self-indulgent bullshit. Jack Antonoff just let her get away with masturbatory nonsense nobody but herself could possibly appreciate.';

'>>121566806
The Swedish male is the result of decades of feminization Eugenics that selected for the prettiest boys with the most tender flesh, which makes him a 20yo girl at heart, but with an adult male brain. The perfect combination for catchy pop music.';

'HO HO
CAUSE YOU WERE ROMEO I WAS YOUR SCARLET LETTER
AND YO DADDY SAID STAY AWAY FROM JULIET
AND I WAS CRYING CRYING BEGGING U PLS DONT GOOOO';

'I have to respect it coming from him desu.
Pet Shop Boys were actually great and not some generic boomer dadrock. If Gene Simmons said this I'd laugh, but now I have to pause a bit.';

'In last years coachella skrillex dropped miley cirus's party in the USA in the mix and the crowd exploded and i was at home twerking to the computer screen like i was a wild sheeboon. Boring taylor whore could never cause that reaction in a million years.';

'>>121566895
I, too, judge music on how degenerate it makes my behavior.';

'>>121566828
she was still young and willing to take direction when those albums were made. when you become an older established star you increasingly become an egomaniac surrounded by yes men who will approve any stupid stuff you do like post-1971 Paul McCartney.';

'>>121566918
Based orphic';

'the funny part is no one can say shit to Tennant, because he wrote massive hits and no one believes even for a second that Swift's best work touches the Pet Shop Boys';

'>>121565973
West End Girls shits all over anything Taylor could even dream of making';

'>Pet Shop Boys
Oh hey I remember those guys from GTAV';

'>>121565973
Go West, It's a sin';

'>>121565973
being boring is one of the best songs ever made';

'>>121565927
You weren't born yet
>>121565945
Not true';

'And don't get me wrong. Shake it off is a 10/10 Pop Smash song. Real authentic shit. Everyone born in the 80s and 90s knows that hook. And it by far stood the test of time.

Other than that though? She got nothing. She only got 1. Not 2. Not 3. Nothing but 1 - Shake it off.

Even Katy Perry has more bonafide generational hits.';

'>>121565973
Go West
New York City Boy
Always In My Mind
It's a Sin
West End Girls
Domino Dancing';

'>>121567234
Go West, It's a Sin, West End Girls.
And that is literally it, unless you count the cover of You Were Always On My Mind

and they have a ton of records since those hits. So yeah not defending Tay here necessarily but really somebody besides PSB needs to be saying that shit.';

'>>121565927
>he doesn't remember the three months surrounding Shake It Off's release

So many people were blasting it left and right, radio stations, commercials
Even FOX News ran some piece on it being degenerate because of the twerking in the music video (they said with a smile)';

'>>121567471
>New York City Boy
>Domino Dancing
A reasonable person might impugn your sexuality for having included those in your list of "hits"

>Always In [sic] My Mind
a reasonable person might also question your native language';

'>>121567479
>three months
Come back when it's three decades';

'>>121565914
Are we finally entering the "People aren't afraid to actively shit on Taylor" phase? Also gonna be real I don't think she's capable of putting out a "Thriller" I feel like her music doesn't have the same "universal" popularity artists like MJ or the Beatles had feels like Taylor is exclusively popular with women.
>Verification not required';

'>>121567869
Wanted to add that although the Red/1989 singles were very overplayed back then and "I Knew You Were Trouble" drove me insane for the whole winter/spring of 2013, they vanished from airplay really fast and I haven't heard them since.';

'>>121567905
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVwteYknWeE
The movie was the top
No where to go but down from here';

'>>121567502
>A reasonable person might impugn your sexuality for having included those in your list of "hits"
You know they're gay, right?';

'>>121567956
Yeah the shitty dubstep drop timelocked it to that era. Real trend-chaser single, did not age well at all.';

'>>121567234
>>121567476
>>121567471
Go West is a cover song';

'>>121565914
I would say Love Story is her Billie Jean since it was the song that put her on the map.';

'>>121565927
>how come I can't remember it?
because you have dementia';

'>>121566329
Hotline Bling was kinda a big deal for a while not sure if it still is though feels like barring meme shit music nowadays doesn't hold the same seating power it uses to (Jesus Christ Hotline Bling was released nearly a decade ago)';

'>>121567997
so is always on my mind';

'>>121567996
Max Martin knows hooks but his stuff is not built to last and it always becomes dated in six months.';

'>>121567476
but taylor swift is being called a super genius songwriter, when she's just a product of the time and has no classic songs... and gets a lot of ghostwriting help and production carries her.
look at legit genius songwriters like Sting, Donald Fagen, Stevie Wonder etc.';

'>>121565914
the machine has just gotten so good it being the machine at this point

people are famous for being famous, no need for talent or skill, you just need to be chosen by the machine';

'>>121565914
you belong with me
that one that goes "baby it's a love story" or whatever
shake it off
blank space
bad blood
I'm feeling 22
i knew you were trouble
that one about karma
I don't listen to taylor swift I've just been outside before.';

'>>121566317
also started from the bottom aka one of the worst songs I've ever heard in my life. actually I've never heard a drake song that even approaches mediocre. they're all garbage and he only has a career cause women want to fuck him.';

'>>121568084
she's like one of those singers or groups from the 50s like Patti Page or the McGuire Sisters who had a lot of hits but they didn't age well and were products of that era that didn't transcend it';

'>>121567956
>>121567996
>"I Knew You Were Trouble"
I swear to Christ that song has to hold my personal record for the most I've changed stations on a song, such an fucking annoying song, how Taylor reached the heights she has I'll never understand';

'FYI that's not all he said
he laughed at her music and called it "disappointing music"';

'>>121568138
it's crazy that something wholesome and understated like this used to be pop music
https://youtu.be/HZwAcZV9kX8?si=gws3F3Q-LfDU3-XO';

'>>121565945
The thing is they disappear from memory the second they end. It's really just spam.';

'>>121568202
when retards like Rob Sheffield are outright declaring she is the Beatles or Michael Jackson of our era, you have to expect this pushback. because her records don't stand up to that comparison. at all.';

'>>121568158
>He doesn't understand why Zee-I mean Taylor is popular';

'>Neil: What's Taylor Swift's Billie Jean?
>[crowd laughter]
>Host: Shake it Off?
>Neil: Is it though?
>[crowd laughter]
>Neil: I listened to that the other day. I mean, it's NOT Billie Jean now is it?
>Host: No, I guess not [laughter]
>[crowd laughter]
>Neil: It's just all in one ear and out the other
>Host: [laughter]
>[crowd laughter]';

'>>121568253
What's the deal with this? People think she's her clone or daughter or what?';

'>>121566186
Hotline Bling was stuck in my head because of zoomers, so your wrong';

'>>121568202
I mean when you're being spoken about it the same sentence as musicians many consider to be the greatest to have ever done and your discography is only a couple of steps above Kidz Bop I can understand why a lot of old guard don't even remotely take Taylor seriously';

'>>121568158
>how Taylor reached the heights she has I'll never understand';

'>>121568211
Beautiful voice and melody.';

'The Beatles don't have a stand-out song either.';

'>>121568442
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (Thank you George Harrison)';

'>>121568442
let it be and hey jude are both really well known although they have much, much better songs.';

'>>121568447
good call. I think get back is pretty well known too.';

'>>121568442
This is Beach Boys territory. Go to Reddit if that's the hottest take you got.';

'>>121568352
There's something immensely depressing about the idea Women only like her because She makes them feel less mediocre by comparison';

'>>121568442
yesterday is technically the most performed song of all time (or was at one point)

>. Broadcast Music Incorporated (BMI) asserts that it was performed over seven million times in the 20th century.[5]';

'>>121568504
Women like Taylor Swift because she embodies the assertive mediocrity that defines all feminist thought.';

'>>121565914
she is famous because she is pretty and the press have propagandized children into believing she is some sort of legitimate singer songwriter. her music is the equivalent of eating saltine crackers. I have only heard 1 or 2 songs and I don't remember them. I've never heard her music played at stores or coffee shops or anywhere else you might be forcefully exposed to top 40 garbage against your will.';

'>>121568442
stop b8ing';

'>>121568442
Come Together and Here Comes The Sun?';

'>>121568158
They played the music video to death on VH1, played the song on the radio about 5x per hour for a couple of months. And then once it was about June '13 it disappeared like flicking a switch.';

'>>121568442
Good b8, you got some people';

'>>121568566
>>121568442
samefag';

'>>121568447
Fucking A';

'>>121565914
Courtney said she was the Madonna of now and I think that's an apt description. Plenty of disposable pop that charted with maybe an iconic song in there if you look hard enough and perform the mental gymnastics needed to justify it.';

'>>121565914
>Very true
that's bullshit. you and neil tennant are clueless. taylor swift has shake it off, blank space, style, cruel summer, anti-hero, we are never ever getting back together, 22, love story, you belong with me, i knew you were trouble, look what you made me do, ready for it, delicate, me!, the man, lover, cardigan, willow, etc. those were big hits. how do you think she became the biggest popstar in the world?
are you telling me you didn't hear them yet? are you living under a rock?';

'Taylor Swift's cult fanbase is more interesting than her music';

'>>121568211
This was from '57 when singers like her were becoming dinosaurs. And she was only 29-30 here.';

'>>121566411
Does not exist
Does not exist
Does not exist';

'>>121568723
Drama centered around faces and personalities isn't interesting.';

'>>121568667
courtney is an envious hag. taylor is an album oriented artist (her latest album just broke a spotify record) but she still has a lot of hits. see >>121568719
taylor is much more than madonna. taylor is a singer-songwriter-producer posing as popstar.';

'>>121568667
>the mental gymnastics needed to justify it.
Like making out with Brenda in a tent in the back yard while our older sisters blast Like a Prayer & Cherish 8 times each before letting the album play out?';

'>>121568563
Don't even get me started on music videos...though that's admittedly a problem that extends beyond just Taylor';

'>>121565927
>come I can't remember it
i have bad news for you. dementia...';

'>>121568727
kind of but Connie Francis very quickly took over the niche that PP occupied and she was young and fresh; she had a sound that looked ahead to the 60s.';

'>>121568719
none of those are notable apart from shake it off and shake it off isn't good it's just repetitive and widesperead.
None of those are on the level of MJ or Beatles hits.
fuck off cultist.';

'>>121565927
you are very lucky. its a horrendous song
>haters gonna hate hate hate they be fake fake fake imma shake shake shake';

'>>121568534
>she is famous because she is pretty and the press have propagandized children into believing she is some sort of legitimate singer songwriter. her music is the equivalent of eating saltine crackers
She's Olivia Newton-John but worse.';

'>>121568750
You will never be on a first name basis with Taylor Swift.';

'>>121568750
TTPD was an exercise in stream trolling and a return to formula with questionable lyricism all throughout. Kelce is only beginning to become the subject of her next album.';

'>>121566439
>Even Miley had a recent worldwide hit with Flowers
Yep. It's weird to have #1 songs but zero hits. That shit was outside playing in cars and clubs malls radio everywhere worldwide. And Miley has no rabid fans like Swifties to speak of.';

'>>121568667
Feel like Madonna was (at one point at least) more talented and a lot more fuckable until she bogged';

'>>121565945
true
>>121565958
lately anti-hero from midnights and cruel summer from lover were huge hits
>>121565973
pet shop boys have a lot of songs. but neil tennant is fucking clueless about modern pop music. he's 69, out of touch with pop music.
>>121565985
ts wrote lots of kino too. one random example: august https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn_0zPAfyo8
do psb have anything like it? the answer is: fuck no.
>>121566073
that's bs. do you think buy her albums because of her being a meme? you're stupid.
>>121566211
you're clueless. taylor is huge worldwide. people from australia, north & south america, asia, europe, know her songs. just an example: ts had 6 sold out shows in a stadium in fucking singapore.';

'>>121566333
are you bragging with your ignorance? i bet you heard her music but you weren't aware it was her. it's not like she is saying "hey this is a taylor swift song" during her songs .';

'>>121568918
He only listens to hip hop and thinks it's normal to read the song's credits and a random selection of family members and acquaintances in the intro';

'>>121568084
>buh buh buh taylor swift is being called a super genius songwriter but she snot
really? that's what you're upset about?';

'>>121568807
that's bullshit. you're just denying reality, that's why you're so mad.
taylor already started matching or surpassing mj records:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2021/11/28/taylor-swift-matches-one-of-michael-jacksons-most-impressive-hot-100-feats/
https://pitchfork.com/news/taylor-swift-the-eras-tour-surpasses-michael-jacksons-this-is-it-as-highest-grossing-concert-film-of-all-time/
seethe some more.
>>121568838
>pedantic asshole';

'>>121568447
>>121568470
>>121568481
>>121568512
>>121568552
those songs aren't stand out songs.';

'>>121567985
yes but that doesn't make the two songs in question "hits". My point was they aren't hits, and only a perhaps-not-entirely-heterosexual person would think they were hits.';

'Don’t care for her music but I’m getting tired of these boomers whining about Taylor swift.';

'>>121568918
>ignorance
How, because I don't listen to the radio? Sorry you need popslop in your life 24/7 to feel relevant but some people don't need that crutch to have a personality.';

'her current tour is also basically just trading off Red/1989 nostalgia and nobody really cares about Midnights; it's just tour merch';

'>>121568978
>pedantic
this word, I do not think it means what you think it means';

'>>121565914
can neil tennant compare to this? i REALLY doubt it.
Taylor Swift:
>winner of 4 Grammy AOTY - the ONLY artist ever to achieve that
>singer
>songwriter
>director
>producer
>entertainer
>can play the piano, guitar, ukulele, banjo
>has an eclectic and amazing discography
>savvy businesswoman
>breaks records from decades ago
>has the most successful tour of ALL TIME
>performs for more than 3 hours per show
>exquisite lyrics
>gorgeous appearance
>amazing personality
>very ambitious
>has the most dedicated fan base and she appreciates them
>massive cultural impact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift';

'>The Swifties have arrived to defend their Queen';

'>>121568084
>Sting
WALKING ON DE MOON';

'>>121565914
btw does tennant have a similar wikipedia page???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift';

'>>121565914
I thought shake it off was Beyonce my whole life';

'>>121569016
At my house we give whoever helps out the most a Jesus figurine. Jeff has won 6 times in a row now, a world record.';

'>>121569053
Taylor should write a country song about Jay-Z';

'>>121565914
Taylor Swift = Time Magazine Person of the Year 2023 (the only entertainer to win that ever), the biggest tour of all time, countless hits, 4 AOTY Grammy, massive sales, etc.
Neil Tennant = ???

>Taylor Swift is the first entertainer in history to receive the title of Time's "Person of the Year."
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/undertheinfluence/how-taylor-swift-became-time-s-first-entertainer-person-of-the-year-1.7101608';

'>>121569016
it's not between him and TS, it's between her and the goats, and none of the nonsense you listed puts her up with the goats.
her songwriting ability is mid to poor, no great works.
her production is done by her team
she can't sing very well nor play any of her instruments well.';

'Debby Boone was number one for 10 weeks in the 70's, longer than anyone else. Does that mean she's the best artist of that decade?';

'>>121569087
Neil Tennant is a gay icon, show some respect';

'>>121569087
Holy Walled!';

'>>121569098
None of her songs age well either.

>>121569087
Welp, the McGuire Sisters made a LIFE Magazine cover in 1958 and yet...';

'>>121569031
yes walking on the moon is kino
Roxanne, Every breath you take, Message in a bottle are all timeless hits.

Every little thing she does is magic, don't stand so close to me, Englishman in New York, Shape of My Heart are also all better than anything she has written by a large margin.

Plus Sting can actually play and sing.';

'>>121569098
>it's not between him and TS, it's between her and the goats
it's between her and the goats + tennant. you don't fucking realize that taylor swift is already one of the goats. update your info. for instance, look which artist has the biggest tour of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_concert_tours#Highest-grossing_tours
she beat u2, ed sheeran, elton john, the rolling stones, coldplay, ac/dc, madonna, pink floyd, michael jackson, etc. ts in her own league.
>her songwriting ability is mid to poor, no great works.
just your crappy opinions. her songwriting was acclaimed countless times. she won 4 grammy aoty, more than anyone else. you're not in the position to evaluate her works and songwriting, bruh.
>her production is done by her team
she is a co-producer.
>she can't sing very well nor play any of her instruments well.
false. she can sing really well and can play a few instruments in a competent way, enough for her music.';

'>>121569208
>are all timeless hits.
of course. they're old songs. judge taylor swift songs by the same standard, by waiting a few decades to see if they are actually timeless.
that would be a fair comparison.';

'>>121565914
taytaysissie...';

'>>121569208
BOMBACLAT!';

'>>121569254
I know they're not timeless given how fast her songs disappear from rotation.';

'>>121569189
>Welp, the McGuire Sisters made a LIFE Magazine cover in 1958 and yet...
time mag person of the year is a much bigger deal. and more relevant. also it's not about quality (hitler was a POT too) but about influence and power.';

'>>121569254
>>121569221
>>121569087
Stop posting this disgusting coalburner';

'>>121569295
>I know they're not timeless given how fast her songs disappear from rotation.
disappear from where? taylor swift is the second artist on spotify by number of monthly listeners. her music is on really heavy rotation. you're clueless. right now millions of people are listening to her music. and not just the hits.';

'>>121569306
take you meds, retard
>coalburner
probably your ugly mother. ts dated only white guys.';

'>>121569356
Cope, Taylor eats BBC like a rabbit eats carrots!';

'>>121569374
There's no proof of that.';

'>>121569374
>being this delusional and retarded';

'>>121569390
this. the list of all the dudes she dated so far is public knowledge. that retard is saying nonsense.';

'>>121569143
neil tennant is talented artist too despite the things he said about taylor swift. it's not even the first time he bashed her. even talented artists can be clueless and keep being clueless about certain things...';

'>>121566781
>All written and composed by Max Martin
you mean Taylor Swift, Max Martin and Shellback';

'>>121569221
no Tennant is not claiming to be a genius, like the media(paid) are claiming for Swift, he's allowed to critique her as not being MJ, while himself not being MJ. If you can't consneed this you are talking in bad faith.

ad populum won't convince me, if you are with a straight face going to claim that Harry Styles Ed Sheeran and Pink mog MJ because they have higher tour numbers I will just laugh in your face, same for TS. Also the stadium game has been refined and you are comparing apples with oranges.

TS is not looked at as a peak vocalist in the same way that MJ is. Learning some cowboy chords and basic piano accompaniment when it is YOUR JOB is nothing impressive. Come back when she can come up with her own parts on her tracks rather than have studio musicians do everything, now MJ had studio musicians do all the instrumental work too, but he didn't larp as a guitarist or pianist, he stuck to what he was great at.

TS is pretending that she is a genius songwriter, when her songs are written by committee, often with the seeds there before she arrives in the studio, for her to overlay some poetry over, she's a lyricist like Morrisey (but without the wit) or Bernie Taupin, not a songwriter. And they still end up shit an unmemorable lol.';

'>>121568812
its a great catchy song
American contrarians will not appreciate Taylor rn but youve shes an all time great pop artist
the album Lover doesnt have a single mid song';

'>>121569340
what hits?
Also she did lots of marketing to get people to listen to her shit, and spotify propped her up with ads.
Give that same level of marketing to someone actually talented from today's scene and shit would pop off.';

'>>121568829
Xanadu is fucking kino though, and ONJ was a total sweetheart.';

'>>121569556
>its a great song
it's a song for teen girls';

'>>121569087
I adore Taylor when she does that Aviator thing, I would love to see her do on her rock album, do some adult comtemporary song about flying a plane
on this type https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsWVRN8DDjs mixed with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0P1Bk8Cx4';

'>>121569649
ALL OVER THE WOOORRRLLDDD';

'>>121569724
so what? you only listen to songs made and marketed towards your demographic group?';

'>>121569026
The single one responding to everyone desperately';

'>>121569221
All of your arguments amount to asserting that McDonald's sells the most every day, so it's better than the most skilled restauranteurs everywhere else. Taylor is not, and doesn't seem likely to become, one of the GOATs because she's fundamentally a trend follower, someone who can push big "hits" in a hit economy where that doesn't mean anything on account of music streaming, but who has yet to move beyond her influences, and who will not influence anyone at the musical level.';

'>>121569087
yah that's the thing: she's an entertainer, not an artist like Neil';

'>>121566329
go back to your porch grandpa';

'out of touch boomers: the thread';

'>>121568844
Anti-Hero was the 3rd most played song on the radio last year:

1 Flowers Miley Cyrus
2 Creepin' Metro Boomin, The Weeknd & 21 Savage
3 Anti-Hero Taylor Swift
4 Calm Down Rema & Selena Gomez
5 Die For You The Weeknd
6 Kill Bill SZA
7 I'm Good (Blue) David Guetta & Bebe Rexha
8 Unholy Sam Smith & Kim Petras
9 Last Night Morgan Wallen
10 As It Was Harry Styles

this thread is beyond retarded btw, what do you guys even mean by "hit"? like:
>It's weird to have #1 songs but zero hits.
what?';

'>>121569520
I seriously doubt taylor writes lyrics for her songs on her own';

'She has "hits" in the sense that Brenda Lee or some other such notorious chart filler act did.';

'>>121569254
She definitely looks 30+ here wow';

'>>121570549
>She definitely looks 30+ here wow
although in all fairness most women her age look extremely worse and/or are fat';

'>>121570702
No shit? Most of those women are married and/or have kids and have stopped taking care of themselves. She's a performer, it's her job to stay in shape.';

'Where's her TT?';

'Kind of true
1989 was full of em (Blank Space, 1989, Wildest Dreams, New Romantics) and that one song from reputation were pretty huge but outside of that I don’t think I’ve ever heard Taylor on the radio in the past 10 years that weren’t these songs';

'>>121565914
Holy based';

'>>121571289
her current tour is mostly Red/1989 material anyway and nobody actually cares about more recent stuff nor does it translate well into a live setting';

'CLARA BOW IS NOT MY LOVER
SHE JUST A GIRL WHO

HEEHEE';

'>>121571289
>I don’t think I’ve ever heard Taylor on the radio in the past 10 years
>>121570403';

'>>121571350
>her current tour is mostly Red/1989 material anyway
9 out of 44 songs
>nobody actually cares about more recent stuff
explain Cruel Summer having 2 billion streams';

'fun fact: The Beatles only have one song in the 150 most streamed songs of the 20th century';

'>>121565914
40 years later people still listen to West End Girls
Will people still listen to Shake it Off in 40 years? I somehow doubt it';

'>>121571939
if by "people" you mean british homos sure';

'>>121571936
*Queen have 9 songs btw';

'>>121571698
Yes and?';

'>>121571936
Meaningless metric for music that came out before streaming';

'>>121565914

nigger i didn't even know who the fuck these guys were until GTA 5 put West End Girls on their soundtrack

this is after several other 80s era themed GTA games and literally growing up in the late 80s early 90s

their songs were never used in movies or commercials';

'>>121572019
the 20th century was before streaming fucking moron';

'>>121569053
I always confuse it with All About That Bass...another song I think sucks';

'>>121565980
lol good shit.';

'>>121572105
?
That's my point';

'>>121566455
With the exception of Ed Sheeran and Weekend I can reliably list a ton of song from everyone else in that list';

'>>121567905
>Are we finally entering the "People aren't afraid to actively shit on Taylor" phase?
I fucking hope so.

Remember a couple years ago when Damon Albarn just made some throwaway comment in an interview like, "Taylor Swift doesn't write her own songs".

Then there was a nuclear-level response with people trying to cancel him like he had said something unforgivable. Even the President of Chile put out a tweet trying to drag him

I swear there isn't any other artist in the world where the mere act of criticizing her is enough to nearly destroy your life instantly.';

'>>121565914
we are never getting back together
i knew you were trouble
love story

off the top of my head';

'>>121565914
this is the first time I hear about shake it off';

'>>121568779
It's weird thinking about how big of a deal music videos USED to be...I can't really think of the last one to have any major impact of than...maybe This is America or I Love It';

'>>121572286
I've heard of "Marvin's Room" and "Hotline Bling" but I couldn't tell you what they sound like.';

'>>121572282
what point? what's "meaningless" about the Beatles having just one song in the top 150?';

'>>121568667
Madonna has dozens of actual hits. Enough for a two-disc best of. Taylor Swift doesn't have enough actual hits to build a single-disc compilation. Taylor's been around longer than Madonna was when Immaculate Collection was released and even then Madonna still had more hits by 1990 than Taylor has had by 2024.';

'>>121566165
that's typically what facts do yes?';

'>>121572336
people in the west don't use youtube for music anymore';

'She was exposed on TinyDesk for how limited of a musician she actually is.';

'>>121572372
>Madonna has dozens of actual hits.
I love how this thread has like 5 different definitions of "hit"';

'well Madonna influenced and set a lot of trends and after album one was always in control of her own music while Taylor never has been and has set no trends';

'>>121572420
>actually playing your instruments means you are limited as a musician';

'>>121572372
>Taylor Swift doesn't have enough actual hits to build a single-disc compilation.
You're just talking out of your ass at this point. Even being conservative, you can easily take 2 songs from each of her albums just for a hits compilation and you'd get 20 songs. She has albums with more than that even.';

'>>121572371
Think about it for one second you absolutebdipshit';

'Taylor will never have a Billie Jean. And Billie Jean was light work for MJ. Taylor will never even deal with a grown up situation like the subject matter of Billie Jean. Those weren't high school musical tier situations MJ was singing about.

But how can she be expected to? MJ had Quincy fucking Jones. The best she wants to work with is fucking Jack Boringoff.';

'>>121568097
oh fuck I forgot about "style"';

'>>121572583
Nah she don't.';

'>>121572688
nice argument';

'>>121565914
Who the fuck are the Pet Shop Boys?';

'I GOT THE LOOKS YOU GOT THE BRAINS LETS MAKE LOTS OF MONEY';

'>>121572591
so you're just another "streaming is meaningless because it didn't exist when I was young" type of retarded boomer, got it';

'>>121572671
neither did Olivia Newton-John sing material as vacuous amd bubble-brained as this';

'>>121572443
you know Taylor writes her songs and Madonna doesn't right?';

'>>121572671
>MJ
>grown up';

'>>121572928
some british turbofags, no classic songs';

'>>121565914
>comparing her to Michael Jackson and 80's music.
Shame on him. Hell, Taylor doesn't even measure up to Toni Basil.';

'>>121565914
That's because she has no riffs and all her songs are just I IV V vi and some gay words. She has no basslines or memorable melodies.';

'>>121566079
>Maybe they weren't big in USA
they were';

'>>121573060
>can't think and can't read but is still so confident after not understanding what he's reading to insult the person who wrote it';

'>>121566186
Best I've ever had? headlines? Marvins room? take care? hold on we're going home? jump man? hotline bling? too good? one dance? fake love? teenage fever? Portland? nonstop? Gods plan? nice for what? in my feelings? money in the grave? life is good? toosie slide? Chicago freestyle? greece? popstar? laugh now cry later? wants and needs? fair trade? way 2 sexy? jimmy cooks? rich flex (idk how this one is fucking horrible)? all of these have more than half a billion listens and were playing everywhere when they came out originally';

'MICHAEL JACKSON:

ABC
DANCING MACHINE
I'LL BE THERE
BEN
DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH
BEAT IT
THE GIRL IS MINE
OFF THE WALL
THRILLER
ROCK WITH YOU
WANNA BE STARTING SOMETHING
BAD
THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL
SAY SAY SAY
MAN IN THE MIRROR
SMOOTH CRIMINAL
BLACK or WHITE
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US


...over to you, Taylor!';

'>>121565914
Having a 1000x platinum hit is an almost sure sign of bad music
Popular music fucking sucks, don't @ me';

'>>121566186
pls be serious';

'>>121566186
Somebody should have put a stop to that faggot a long time ago. Who told him it was okay to "sing" like that';

'>>121566186
Nah Drake had some major hits';

'>>121573577
Never heard of any of this';

'>>121573707
Heard of some of them but I don't know what they sound like.';

'>>121573522
>not understanding what he's reading
indeed, I've no idea what you meant by "the Beatles having just one song in the top 150 is meaningless", and yes it's probably because I "can't think or read", not because you provided zero argument';

'okay replying to these obvious bait posts was kind of fun for a while but I'm off to bed. cheers, everyone.';

'>>121573600
>Popular music fucking sucks
you're so cool, can I suck your dick?';

'>>121573954
I don't need to provide an argument because it's self evident that music that came out several decades before streaming services can't be measured using the number of streams because unlike music that came out after the diffusion of such services (which is mostly listened to through them), most of their "listens" have already happened in other mediums, and the dynamics behind people listening to music that is that old are much different (for instance including a song in a movie soundtrack can make it jump the charts even if it wasn't that popular back then).
You can only use streaming numbers for music that run its entire course during the period in which those numbers were being counted, nit for music where you only started counting decades later.

How is this not immediately and automatically obvious to you?';

'Drake sucks, he has no good hooks or melodies.';

'>>121568138
>she's like one of those singers or groups from the 50s like Patti Page or

"Cross Over The Bridge" is still above anything Taylor Swift could sing.';

'>>121574141
Taylors lack of range is a selling point for her. Girls can all sing along to taylor swift songs because of having a 2 octave vocal range and writing 90% of her music around middle C in C';

'>>121574166
Not the vocals but the sub-Avril Lavigne tier lyrics.';

'>>121574062
do you know what a "classic song" is? it's actually what this thread is about, "hits" being incorrectly used here, the anon who said Madonna has dozens of hits is right but she has no classic songs';

'>>121573060
>actually spy ninjas by those vy and chad people is really the best diy show content ever made, going by view counts
>yes, i am ignoring that their viewers are children playing their stuff on repeat';

'>>121574193
Those also appeal to the average woman. They have a much more centered iq distribution around 100. Taylors npr tiny desk was an absolute embarassment. She didn't even arrange anything to sound good on acoustic guitar she literally just STRUMMED her C G F Am shit at root position.';

'>>121574200
Fuck me for wasting my time trying to explain anything to you.
Goodbye retard.';

'>>121574312
>doesn't know what a classic song is
damn... anyway let's just say people who know what it is do see value in streaming numbers of Beatles songs for example';

'>>121574287
>Those also appeal to the average woman. They have a much more centered iq distribution around 100.

You could pull up a dozen singers from the 90s and earlier that were generally listened to by women and weren't as brainless and one-dimensional as TS.';

'>>121574376
So you agree that taylor has nailed the formula for selling to women';

'>>121565927
Look at all the zoomers seethe lmao. I don't know the song either and im over 30 years old. Imagine listening to the radio or using Spotify lmao, fucking cucks';

'>>121574193
>Not the vocals but the sub-Avril Lavigne tier lyrics.
What's worse? People like Pink and even Ariana Grande grew up and did more adult-ish songs as they got older instead of pretending to be 16 at 30+.';

'>>121574405
I know it... from a porn pmv';

'>>121565973
nobody was pretending Pet Shop Boys were the biggest and most important band of their time.
they still had more memorable songs than Taylor Swift';

'>>121567471
I'm 25 and I've never heard of any of these...';

'>>121565927
>>121574405
I honestly don't remember either. Anyway... so glad to see you around, gentlemen.';

'>>121574405
>thinks zoomers listen to the radio';

'>>121567471
I don't know if these are bob dylan songs or taylor swift songs i dont listen to shitty singers... sorry i just dont';

'>>121574312
here's a list that might make you understand what a classic song is, most streamed 20th century songs:

Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody 2,447,013,007
The Police - Every Breath You Take 1,974,269,647
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit 1,966,817,328
Oasis - Wonderwall 1,950,843,252
Queen - Don't Stop Me Now 1,920,516,802
Journey - Don't Stop Believin' 1,847,287,279
a-ha - Take on Me 1,836,661,277
Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine 1,825,430,622
Queen - Another One Bites The Dust 1,813,261,308
Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You 1,807,303,016
TOTO - Africa 1,705,879,250
Michael Jackson - Billie Jean 1,700,753,129
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise 1,622,126,873
The Goo Goo Dolls - Iris 1,621,415,296
Radiohead - Creep 1,603,049,128
Fleetwood Mac - Dreams 1,598,673,674
Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World 1,581,316,474
Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure 1,574,202,071
Eagles - Hotel California 1,562,912,986
Bon Jovi - Livin' On A Prayer 1,547,581,936
Earth, Wind & Fire - September 1,535,263,248
AC/DC - Highway to Hell 1,524,832,352
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Have You Ever Seen The Rain 1,504,290,735
Wham! - Last Christmas 1,499,657,152
AC/DC - Back In Black 1,494,857,706
AC/DC - Thunderstruck 1,440,232,586
Dr. Dre feat. Snoop Dogg - Still D.R.E. 1,388,989,325
Backstreet Boys - I Want It That Way 1,376,872,107
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication 1,363,145,997
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under the Bridge 1,356,112,675
Metallica - Enter Sandman 1,351,058,517
R.E.M. - Losing My Religion 1,322,438,736
Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell - Ain't No Mountain High Enough 1,312,331,566
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son 1,302,101,805
Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) 1,299,310,536
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama 1,275,699,058';

'>>121574601
billie jean is the only good song on that list';

'>>121565914
WeeeEEEE ARE NEVER
EVER
EVER
GETTING BACK TOGETHER
I hate it but it was a hit.';

'>>121574601
None of these are surprising. Still DRE is a little, I would have maybe expected like Next Episode, Forget About Dre, or Gin and Juice instead';

'>>121574765
Still Dre is catchy as fuck, also pretty sure it was the biggest hit at the time';

'>>121574601
Thr majority of these are great';

'>>121574342
>>121574601
>doubles down on this "classic song" shit even if it doesn't matter for the point I'm trying to make';

'>>121574911
didn't you say "goodbye" earlier? ;) reminder your first post was:
>Meaningless metric for music that came out before streaming
just admit you were wrong, or simply leave (not pretend to leave), if not you're gonna keep humiliating yourself and it's not gonna feel good';

'>>121575016
Yes it's meaningless for the reasons I explained, which you didn't debate and instead responded by making a different argument about classic songs, as if the big numbers of a number of classic songs mean that ALL classic songs automatically have to have the same big numbers no matter the different circumstances of each.

>didn't you say "goodbye" earlier?
I can't help it.';

'I legitimately love Taylor Swift since Love Story dropped. I just can't stop listening to her. No substance songs about shit I do not care about but I know most of them by heart.

Keep thinking about this line. Very spooky.';

'>>121575500
Good thing I have autism and I'm immune to lyrics';

'>>121565914
We are never, ever, ever getting back together. Like, ever.';

'>>121565973

get your memory refreshed boomer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik2YF05iX2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M';

'Alice in Chains "Man in the Box" is a bigger hit than any Taylor Swift song';

'>>121574601
>what a classic song is
>Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell - Ain't No Mountain High Enough

It's something that is found on the 2020s kids movie soundtrack?';

'>>121565914
Neil is just constantly shitposting irl like he used to do when he worked at Smash Hits, the thing's he has the best pop singles discography ever so he can do whatever he wants... but, in this case, this is just the European perspective, I can 100% tell you the last (minor) radio hit she had here was Look what you made me do, and only Shake it off, Blank Space, I knew you were trouble, We are never ever getting back together and Love story were proper radio hits in my country, PSB have more radio hits here heh';

'>>121575329
it's simple really, classic songs are old songs people still listen to, if people don't stream your song it's not a classic song, hence the value of these numbers';

'>>121577049
elaborate? I think the song was on the first Guardians of the Galaxy iirc';

'Why does she larp as an old woman?';

'>>121574601
>The Police - Every Breath You Take 1,974,269,647
wtf? I mean, that's a stone cold classic, but second place?
>Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise 1,622,126,873
lmao
>Radiohead - Creep 1,603,049,128
crazy that it's still by far their most popular song';

'>>121573591
oops
+ BILLIE JEAN';

'>>121578142
>crazy that it's still by far their most popular song
What else could be?
They're virtually unknown by anyone younger than Millennials, and they really only had one hit song.

press adoration =/= popularity';

'>>121574601
>The Goo Goo Dolls - Iris 1,621,415,296
What is this?
No idea what this is.
Must be a mostly-just-in-America hit?

Every other song on there I've heard dozens or hundreds of times.';

'>>121578167
crazy that it's still so popular, regardless of the artist who made it.
that's a ripoff from The Hollies and not really that catchy or memorable.
I would expect many other '90s alt rock tracks above Creep';

'>>121578185
>Must be a mostly-just-in-America hit?
no you don't get these numbers without being global, they're very much a one-hit wonder though so you may have heard the song without knowing their (dumb) name';

'>>121578185
AND I DONT WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE ME';

'>>121578185
that's from the soundtrack of the 1998 movie City of Angels starring Meg Ryan and Nic Cage.
the song was everywhere at the time, but I wouldn't expect it to be in the top 15 ever 25 years later';

'>>121578167
nonsensical post which can only be explained by an irrational hatred of Radiohead, are you palestinian?';

'>>121572372
>>Madonna has dozens of actual hits.
That's because Madonna's music can be played in clubs. None of Taylor's songs can. Well Shake it Off will work at a kids birthday party or millennial wedding.';

'>>121565945
He's not saying she doesn't have hits, what he actually said was she doesn't have a song that makes her stand out and there's no unique sound. Yeah she's got a lot of hits and some of them are quite good, but there's always something missing - someone like Michael Jackson or in modern terms, a Beyonce or Adele has something that makes them stand out musically whereas with Taylor it's always about relationships and lyrics, never the music itself.';

'>>121579679

>>121568138
It's like in the 50s how Julie London was for clubs while the McGuire Sisters were for 11 year olds' birthday parties.';

'>>121565973
Pet Shop Boomers have a new album coming out next week... perfect time for a spot of trend bashing.

Irrelevant gays craving the spotlight could try writing a decent tune instead of resorting to cheap publicity';

'I dont really follow the normalfag verse but Taylor Swift has always been a guilty pleasure of mine. But when I go out it seems inevitably a conversation somewhere is shitting on her and her fans, and I get nervous I'll be "found out" or something.

Any idea what's causing her to be talked about so negatively now?

Removed my old cds from my car "just in case".';

'I also agree, I only know shake it off (which is my guilty pleasure)';

'>>121565914
Damn, this bitch washed.';

'>>121565914
Love Story and You Belong With Me are Country classics at this point';

'>>121580897
You forgot to shower.
Go take a shower, sweaty.';

'>>121565914
I don't know any of her songs, not a single one.';

'>>121565914
He is right . Her slop has no appeal outside of her cult of retards';

'>>121565914
He is just trying to promote their new album';

'She's so overexposed. Literally just saw an ad for the new album being sold at Target on my TV as we speak.';

'>>121565914
Nobody in America can name a single Pet Shop Boys song';

'>>121565914
Taylor Slop';