'>>92561881
Hard
I'd say Primaris
but custodes will be the gateway to femmarines';

'>>92561881
Human bombs, cavalry, rattling snipers.';

'Destroying Cadia

I understand people wanted the plot to be advanced by GW lost the plot and jumped the shark there.';

'>>92561881
Primaris wasn't a retcon though, as stupid as it was.';

'>>92561881
Perpetuals';

'>>92561920
nobody said it was, schizo';

'>>92561912
>there';

'>>92561920
True';

'Newcrons. I know they weren't well fleshed out but it's just absurd what they turned them into. I hate them, I hate their story, and it's just so fucking lame compared to what they were or could have been.

Perpetuals though have absolutely ruined whole plot lines.';

'>>92561939
Except the title of the thread.';

'>>92561950
threads don't have titles, schizo';

'>>92561946
Been away, what did they do to Necrons?';

'>>92561978
Their lore change in 2013.';

'>>92561995
How?';

'>>92561946
>Necrons
>not fleshed out
kek';

'>>92562006
Basically necrons were these relatively unknown space skellies that didn't speak or interact with races in any positive way at all. They could appear suddenly and massively and destroy everything. Just enough lore to be spooky and make sense. Then GW decided to change their whole history and turn them into space Egyptians turned up to 11 with retard personalities just to sell more figurines. They fucking talk to other races and aren't as big of a threat anymore, just another bland race. And flayed ones aren't as gruesome anymore.';

'>>92562055
There was also the element of them feeding the whole population of a planet to the star gods that fed on their souls which had good potential for lore development but they instead went lol we break you and capture pieces of you to power out technology';

'>>92561881
Femstodes, by far. Because of what they are, because of why they did it, and because listening to the subhumans that asked for it only emboldens them and make them push for even more crap. It will never be enough, they will keep trying to destroy everything they can just because that's the only thing they care about.

Also, the others are not real retcons.';

'>>92562104
This anon averts eye contact when a girl says hi.';

'>>92562109
>muh incels
Nice projection, but I'm married. What about you?';

'>>92562126
I totally believe you.';

'>>92561881
People whine about the children's books, but from what I've seen they're shockingly lore consistent. In the 40k ones the "big twist" about the Tau is that - in fact - the alien cannot be trusted and Imperial propaganda was 100% right. And while in the Fantasy book the Skaven dude is saturday morning villain tier, it's not like the Skaven weren't that to begin with.

Out of all the things to get mad about, I don't think the Warhammer kids books are one of them. I'd consider them an introduction to Warhammer and nothing more.';

'>>92561881
>Retcons
>One retcon (cuntstodes) and 5 different things
Nice try.';

'>>92561881
Newcrons. Completely changed not only the faction for the worse, but had a much bigger negative impact on the lore than any of those other retcons.';

'>>92561881
Hard choice between Primaris and Nucrons. Probably Primaris though.';

'>>92561881
Retcon doesn't mean "thing I don't like." It means something that was set in stone in lore and then changed later as if it was never written.

Female custodes is a retcon. Writing a children's book in setting the isn't. Primarchs coming back is changing something that was established, sure, but it's still acknowledged that they were lost before.';

'>>92561920
>>92561939
>>92561943
>uh actually this guy we never mentioned was secretly underground the whole time and secretly built a million extra space marines
This is literally a retcon. They inserted past events they'd never mentioned or hinted at, changing the continuity retroactively
>>92561946
I don't know what the theme of the necrons is supposed to be now. They made their dread faustian bargain and then just shot the debtor and now they hang out as immortal robots who act exactly like humans and eldar.';

'>>92561881
Femstodes. Fuck that DEI shit and anyone who supports or tolerates it.';

'>>92561946
I can understand the change. I thought they were really interesting when they came out in late 2nd edition (when they already looked like Tomb Kings in space - see pic related), and the 3rd ed codex kept that going. But only as NPCs. All the fluff was from the Imperium's perspective. That's great for your enemies, but how were you supposed to play them without knowing what they were thinking? That kept me from starting a Necron army. I'm sure GW realized that was happening a lot and they needed a codex from their own POV.

Anyway, for me the worst change to 40k is Guilliman coming back and giving the Imperium a sense of progress. There's new tech, new weapons, him telling Dante to economically develop Ba'al. None of that is the 40k I know, and it's a much bigger change than being a little less of a sausagefest.';

'>>92562297
This. Even worse than the femstodes. Newcrons destroyed everything cool about the Necrons and replaced it with only one good character. Why you should never throw the baby out with the bathwater. Should have been something like
>90% of Necrons are still enslaved by the C'Tan, but recently one of the oldest Dynasties have woken up from their slumber and started enacting a secret plan that was created during the final hours of the Necrotyr's freedom. Oldcron vs Newcron civil war. C'Tan vs Silent King.';

'>>92562988
No, C'Tan no longer being the true masters was the very first thing they retconned. GW probably thought "Hey, people like Settra, right? Too bad Tomb Kangz don't sell. Hey wait, Necrons sell! What if... Necrons were just the Tomb Kangz?" And the rest is history.';

'>>92561881
>newcrons
honestly actually a pretty good change, nids already have the "omnicidal outside-context space threat" market cornered.
dead last as far as "40k-ruining geedubs bullshit"
>primaris
not a retcon, just a dumb lore justification for new space marine models.
I'm ranking this one 3rd even if I dislike primarch comebacks more
>primarch comebacks
I only dislike this one because it's contributing more to the Space Marines Problem, otherwise it's probably not terrible
4th place
>femstodes
second worst thing on your list, it dumpsters the already-neglected Sisters of Silence, while opening up literally fucking zero interesting new directions to take the Custodes
2nd worst thing on the list
>perpetuals
the worst one on the list, because they made Ollanius Pius one, which is the most retarded possible way you could write Ollanius Pius because it completely ruins the whole fucking point of Ollanius Pius giving his life for the Emperor like all guardsmen are called to do, and making Perpetuals the worst geedubs bullshit you've listed by a country mile.';

'>>92563080
There was a feigned attempt in the new lore to have some Necrons running around in an 'inmates running the asylum' situation with the pokemon'd C'tan and acting like Oldcrons, but it was so half-hearted that it never ever comes up - not in the new lore and not in fan discussions.';

'>>92563248
It's why you need to push back against GW retcons, and not even for culture war reasons. There WAS a way for us to have our cake and eat it. Look at the Tau, you have the ethereal loyal faction and then Commander Farsight. If you are fine with Ethereals, you have your slice of cake; if you hate Ethereals mind controlling the Tau and want a revolution, oh look there's the Enclaves for you. Everyone wins. That's how you 'fix' things. Newcrons should have received far more pushback, not because there were bad ideas but because old good ideas were being lost.';

'>>92563343
First, it is 'Companions' in the old Alexander the Great sense. So basically his personal retinue of knights.
Second, there was a suggestion made by someone else that Guilliman be behind it by trying to reduce corruption among the High Lords and do a drastic emergency de facto conscription expansion of the Custodes - and that works for me. This is really a culture war on both sides - with GW's side being open gaslighters, and the opposite side being more or less incompetent and unable to articulate what would be reasonable.';

'>the imperium is actually atheist and doesn't actually worship the emperor
>they just call him the god emperor and pray to him, in churches, as a bit
I believe it's 90% black library writers who really don't want to write theistic characters, so they get on their knees and thumb through their grimdark skull rosaries and pray, but in a secular manner.';

'>>92561881
Cuntstodes';

'>>92561912
what other planet could they have rekt tho? necromunda? so fucking what you'd be doing 99% of the population there a favour killing them.

Fenris? its one world not connected to any other trade routes who cares? No other planet mattered enough to change the overall plot. It was either blow up cadia or damage Terra itself.';

'>>92562876
i see you fail to understand the difference between a lore change to progress the overall story and give the authors plenty of new concepts and ammunition to write new stories with, AND sell plastic of course, with lore changes to please DIE-policy needs with Amazon for a tv show deal.

Also Baal is like 3 planets in one, 2 moons and the planet itself, they're only gonna "develop" the planet, Blood Angels recruited from the moons too, its not going to change much for them. Future books could change this setup again. Although i no longer care all that much about it, the quality of the novels+lore is about to fall straight off a cliff and i don't wanna see the splatter.';

'>>92563020
Ollanius died though, its an asspull to be fair, but getting chopped up by a primarch supercharged by the 4 chaos gods is apparently enough to perma-kill a perpetual.

It was John Grammaticus that survived, and he survived by not actually going onto the vengeful spirit and deciding to spend the rest of his life fucking around with bits of string. It ties his fate up well enough but its a shitty ending.';

'>>92563419
Or, here's a wild idea: do a different plot advancement.
Maybe Abaddon fails/doesn't get as decisive a win, is deposed, Chaos has more infighting.
Imperium fails to press the advantage because of corruption and blind faith, if you must do primaris and primarchs maybe it actually creates political divisions and enmity or civil war- yknow, something suitably bleak and grimdark rather than HERO TIME.
The Ynnari gives the Eldar hope but also creates more division and infighting.
The Tau expansion gets derailed by more people joining Farsight.
Orks do Ork shit, the more Ghaz wins the more other Orks want to challenge him
Necrons, some Ctan shards break free and regain influence, bringing more Oldcrons back, Necrons are waking up more but have a civil war.
Tyranids continue as the growing big threat.

The setting moves forwards, you get new options for units and subfactions, a status quo is preserved because every factional gain is offset by civil war or losses. This is off the top of my head, you're acting like GW HAD to give Abaddon a big win and then had to give Space Marines a big riposte, that's simply not the case.';

'>>92563496
>Except they were also suppose to basically be Big E's entourage, so having a few girls just for varieties sake isn't that outlandish.
That's what I said. 'Companion' here does not mean 'friend'.';

'>>92561881

>Newcrons was made in the hopes of reinvigorating the race and giving then more things to do apart feom being murderbots. Also we got Trazyn shenanigans.

Primaris: born in the desire of GW to resell full armies to vets and sell to new players. Meh but I can understand it wasnt made to hurt the hobby or setting.

Primarchs coming back: Has provided some kino moments stories but they run the dangee of overusing this. Done in faith of sales and moving the storyline, so good.

Children’s books: neutral… why not? At least children can learn earlier what is the value of a good purge.

Peroetuals: kinda… meh ok. Done to mobve the setting.

Female Custodes: totally unnecessry crap done in a backhanded way while the primary motivation id either placate outside forces in a deal or GW getting infected by the woke brigade so GW self-terminates. No good can come from this, done in very bad faith by GW and those that want to corrupt. Purge.';

'>>92562281
Training gone bad. Also primaris dreads kill the user…';

'>>92563496
>right-wingnuts
>muh conspiracy teorists
Exterminatus yourself, faggot';

'>>92561881
The Newcrons, because I liked a bunch of the stuff that was retconned with it a lot. Also everyone who still regurgitate that
>they were too much like the nids
argument is an idiot to me, because having 2 factions of a slightly general surface-level concept (which even then isn't the same) is clearly one too many, let's make them like every other faction instead, good job, didn't have enough in that pile.';

'>>92562756
You know that you can reveal unmentioned past events in a story, right? The real problem is when that information isn't just additive, but actually changes already established things.';

'>>92563637
*similar';

'Perpetuals is by far the worst bullshit that exists in the setting.';

'>>92563477
it still shits all over the idea of "Ollanius was a regular guardsman just like you, recruit! Are you a bad enough dude to give your life for the Emperor like he did?", and for what?
to make Horus look like more of a big deal?
Horus, who was already warmaster, the Emperor's favored son, a billion other titles that would send my post over the length limit, and IS LITERALLY THE REASON THE IMPERIUM IS IN THE STATE IT'S CURRENTLY IN?';

'>>92561881

What's wrong with Newcrons anyways?

Do people really miss the 00's when there'd be a single autistic guy at every LGS with an army of 2 Necron lords with resurrection orbs, 2 monoliths, and a giant wall of warriors?';

'>>92561881
Everything after 4e.';

'>>92564533
>What's wrong with Newcrons anyways?
Then went from mirroring the Chaos gods and being a major threat that's waking up to old men yelling at the kids to stay off their galaxy and bumbling around like idiots while tossing their pokeballs.';

'>>92562090
turning the C'tan into glorified pokemon was the big gay.';

'>>92561881
>>92561912
This. Overall, retconing the entire Eye of Terror Campaign was a MASSIVE error.';

'>>92561881
The existence of the Imperial Truth. Fuck, having any stories set during the Great Crusade, giving the Emperor a defined character, all that shit not only put the lore in a cage, but destined everything to ruin.';

'>>92562126
C'mon anon';

'>>92563394
It's always funny to read codexes talking about how the Marines are all atheist, and then a page or two later it'll have a quote where they call him the god-emperor lol
Don't get me started on the whole "the Imperium didn't tolerate religion except for the Mechanicus, the Space Wolves, the White Scars, Ultramar, and the 400 other religions that canonically existed during the Great Crusade".';

'>>92561912
Disagree, destroying Cadia was the best decision GW ever made. I think the only problem with it I have is that the Cadians are all Gaunt's Ghosts, which is stupid, they should have just resettled a specific new death world and started hyping that planet up as important.';

'>>92561881
>SM stopped to be warrior monks created using a monstrous and dehumanizing process
>Now they are just hero(tm)
>CSM stopped being slave to the chaos gods
>Now they are against the chaos gods.
Wk40 in general has become a parody of itself. It doesn't feel as dirty and gritty as before, art lore and mini have that streamlined feeling for them, they lack that spark.

>Which did 40k dirtiest?
Khaine.';

'>>92563585
> A lot of the creatives at Games Workshop were already left leaning, if anything they did this so "backhandedly" to specifically spite the likes of you.
Now who’s the conspiracy theorist. Maybe you’re just upset that big corporate is the one backing you ideology. Can’t really rebel when you’re the system.';

'>>92563484
have the hive fleet go directly into the warp through the eye, Cypher and the lion help BIG E die and resurrects during the bait and switch. PURSUIT by Gesaffelstein starts blaring out the warhorns of the titans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnGSIX_YwPs';

'>>92563484
You make the mistake of thinking 40k is anything more than Ultramarines vs Chaos: The Setting';

'>>92561912
>I understand people wanted the plot to advance.
I didn't, I was find speculating and just reading about people's campaigns and homebrew.
Especially since all of the characters I liked that practically spearheaded The Eye of Terror and the Black Crusade stuff in general were sidelined for Robert Gillman and his brother Leon Johnson.
Guys like Creed, Abaddon, Calgar were basically great men in the shadows of greater men, but now the greater men are back and its sort of fucking gay.';

'>>92564960
They did establish New Cadia in the Agripinaa System, but GW hasn't done anything else with it AFAIK.';

'>>92564960
Whats even funny is that, unless I'm mistaken, Cadia has auxiliary worlds for training and recruitment as well. You can find Cadian regiments on every battlefield across the galaxy, there's no fucking way they were all coming from JUST Cadia.';

'>>92565484
Seems like another token "okay, you can have it both ways, but actually we're doing what I want to do" situation. Lore I can find has Cadians as galactic gypsies, having their kids on the galaxy's worst battlefields - as if they go looking around for them like they're neighborhoods with good schools that can be reliably depended on to stay that way for long periods. What happens if the battle ends early? Do they pack up and move somewhere else? It's absurd.';

'>>92563458
I don't care about the details of the Blood Angels' recruitment, just the feel of the setting. Guilliman trying to make the Imperium a better place is everything old 40k doesn't stand for. I want to play in a bureaucratic hellscape led by hereditary morons who just keep doing the same things over and over again. None of this "hope" and "progress" stuff.

Adding women to previously male-only factions doesn't really affect any of that for me.';

'>>92565264
>Omg finally they’re getting rid of the super mean grim dark universe. I’m now going to spend hundreds of dollars on plastic models.
I think this scenario is only playing out in your head.';

'>>92566274
40k isn't satire of anything. "This setting has flaws" does not equate to "satire". A Modest Proposal is satire because it presents something unreasonable as a solution to a problem which has no real solution other than the kind being proposed, thus revealing the moral evil of the position it is criticizing. Warhammer 40k has Humanity being assfucked out of a golden age of tolerance and prosperity by evil out of control machines that leave it prey to not just ancient alien bioweapons (orks) but new ones (tyrannids) as well as Lovecraftian Gods that can never be destroyed without severing Humanity from its very souls or some other such extreme measure. What is this a satire of exactly? I'd love to have it explained to me, because under those conditions neoliberal democracy would be a wet tissue paper. You want satire? Go play Helldivers. That's perfectly good satire under the very stipulations I have given, because nearly everything about the setting's current problems are Super Earth's fault.';

'>>92566785
if anything, 40k has been becoming a parody of itself since the ultrasmurf codex, which is ground zero for when the setting went from being a standard wargame setting where everyone's picking fights with everyone for one reason or another to HERE IS BIG HERO MAN HE IS THE HERO LOOK AT HIM SHOOT HIS GUN AT THE BAD GUYS';

'>>92561881
Three price rises in a calendar year';

'>>92561881
Necrons themselves were a retcon and shoehorn in originally. At least their change to Egyptians in Space makes them fit into what 40K was then better (I.e. warhammer in space).';

'>>92566911
Nah, he's right. Any amount of satire is just cargo cult. It's remnants of all the shit they ripped off judge dredd but without any intent. Warhammer is just a grimdark setting. They do their "innocence proves nothing" quotes and that's absolutely it, that's the furthest they go, and then they go and justify it by having people be unknowingly serving chaos anyway lol. Really anyone who thinks warhammer is a satire needs to read judge dredd.';

'>>92563477
but it still ruins the concept since the og paius wasn't supposed to be some giga old sage who saw everything, he was a simple man experiencing horrors he never knew existed, yet when duty called he still stood up to what to him was essentially satan, it would have been far better if they just never had him in the HH than turning him into a perpetual';

'>>92561881
Primaris indisputably.';

'>>92561946
Newcrons are absolutely gay, but they're also a xenos faction and so irrelevant to the setting in general.';

'>>92567099
What they did to pius is unforgivable. That was some of the biggest balls shit I ever knew then they made him a fucking perpetual. Making hours seem a bigger baddy is asinine. The whole point of puny guardsman pius was that one lowly guardsman get in the way of hell manifested as was his duty to give the emperor just that one moment and absolutely fuck up everything hours had planned.';

'>>92562126
Married to your job is not a healthy marriage anon.';

'>>92567047
>>92566911
A 'shoot first ask questions later' Inquisitor that's bad at their job isn't satire when there are plenty of good examples that are competent and don't act like that. It's like how people confuse the bad commissars that shoot Guardsman for tactically retreating with all Commissars, and then claim the setting is "satire" for making no actual point or critiques whatsoever.

Because what is the critique of "innocence proves nothing"? Is it saying something about the Catholic Church's inquisition? If so, then it is wrong because the actual real life Inquisition wasn't concerned with witchcraft at all and instead was entirely concerned about the Reconquesta of Spain after Muslims had invaded and conquered it. There was no stupid "let's burn the peasant girl at the stake because she decided to learn to read", that's outright revisionist propaganda. So then is 'innocence proves nothing" a critique of the modern justice system? Maybe something relevant to our own modern age? No, that's not true either.

Just randomly having flawed characters or a flawed setting is not "satire". You actually have to, you know, say something. Make a critique.';

'>>92567202
To continue, if Warhammer 40k says anything at all, it is a critique of Utilitarianism - in that each faction is trying to maximize some good at the expense of just about everything else. Imperium and Eldar maximizes their respective survival, Tau have their Greater Good, Oldcrons maximized the purging of life, Orks and Nids maximize war, and the four Gods maximize their respective attributes. But this isn't a critique of fascism and was likely entirely unintentional.';

'>>92562876
>That's great for your enemies, but how were you supposed to play them without knowing what they were thinking?
It's okay if you don't get it, but it doesn't mean the product needed to change. You should be happy that there are people willing to play the villain for you so that your Ultramarines 2nd Company can be the big shiny heroes you read about in the novels. Otherwise you're stuck with Abaddon secretly being the real good guy because he's just using Chaos to overthrow the evil Imperium.';

'>>92567291
I agree with you that it’s satire, that’s why it’s important for GW to make female custodes, female space marines, and transgender sisters of battle. They obviously are making a subtle satire of modern day diversity politics (nufascism). It’s sad that too many of the fans take the setting too literally to pick up on and enjoy it. I personally have found this whole thing quite hilarious.';

'>>92562055
>And flayed ones aren't as gruesome anymore.
Flayed ones are still fucking horrifying.';

'>>92563020
>Newcrons honestly actually a pretty good change
Except for the ctan shards
>primaris not a retcon
It is by definition retroactive change to the continuity. If primaris existed at all as a project the bulk of the events from at least 26th founding if not prior wouldnt happen.

Rest true. Especially because Persson got killed by something another explicitly weaker perpetual survived with "tis just a flesh wound".
>>92563477
Nope, Vulkan survived worse and Alivia survived the exact same thing (Horus' talon while Horus was super charged by all 4 chaos gods) without problem. Persson and Grammaticus both are just shit OC donut steel self inserts (even if the second is only from after he had to survive his initial appearance).';

'>>92564200
Alivia (thus Malcador) and Justicar Thawn are proof GW used to be able to make perpetuals not-complete bullshit on narrative level (even if thawns 4+ return was annoying fuckshit on tabletop).
Its just that their writers are now too incompetent to do so.';

'>>92565264
>Why, yes major streaming services, social networks and brands push for diversity backed up by the like of financial behemoths such as Vanguard and Blackrock while having meeting every year at Davos to explain how it's the Enlightened Capitalist role to drive cogovernance; but it's just... le façade!

:^)';

'>>92561881
Primaries coming back. But really the Horus heresy series/game.

HH was so much better when it was a vague time of myth and legend.';

'>>92562281
They're a different pattern?

Why I'd there a question on how they exist?';

'>>92566911
No, retard. Satire needs a few things to be satire
1) it actually has to be mocking something. Maybe you can argue that the Imperium is mocking authoritarianism generally, but that’s about it.
2) it has to actually show that the thing is bad. Despite all the statements about the Imperium being comically inefficient and terrible, the way that the setting is constructed makes it hard to not think that they’re somewhat justified. An exterminatus over a few cultists seems like a huge overreaction, but they completely undermine it by then having plenty of instances where those cultists ended up plunging the entire world into Chaos that then starts to spread. At that point, the exterminatus doesn’t come off as a comically terrible thing mocking the regime, but instead like a horrific ends-justify-the-means thing. Similarly, having the Imperium be ultra-violent xenophobes doesn’t mock the Imperium very well when almost every story involving the xenos has them doing equally terrible things to the Imperium. This isn’t a satire, it’s just creating scenarios where absolutely everyone is horrible and brutal- the “there are no good guys in 40k” is absolutely true, but that doesn’t make it a satire';

'>>92561881
primaris because of all the things listed its the only one i could not figure out a way to finesse into the lore with out breaking the actual esoteric occult underpinning of the setting.
The rest could have worked (but didnt because GW has forgotten the source of their own lore and are now just writing off of what they have written creating what is essentially fanfiction instead of continuing to channel the original inspiration)';

'>>92565455
It genuinely used to be. That's why people hold particularly 3rd and 4th era in high esteem it's not just that the setting was fully codified, Tau and Necrons properly added, Tyranids design finalised, snappy gameplay, it's that there were multiple viable big bad factions with no fixed good guy. 2e definitely treated Ultras as poster boys but not the be all end all, 3-4 eased back. The problems unironically began with Matt Ward as much of a meme as it is to say, he made Ultramarines the focus and also fucked up the Grey Knights, a lot of the damage he did hasn't been fixed and people who started post 2008 but especially post-2012 think that's the way it's always been and the way it should be.

Primaris did the worst damage individually of any retcon and laid the justification for Primarch superhero bullshit (and then custodes changes), Necrons being changed was the precedent setter for all of that and facilitated the setting change into "these are the hero and villain factions everything else is background", the Eye of Terror retcon was done the way it was to permanently change that framing and thrust. The advancing the setting fundamentally changed it in more ways than just "Cadia isn't here now, XYZ happened", it finalised the slow creep to binary Chaos/Ultras and flanderised/increasingly cookie cutter corporate scifi shit that began with 5e and Wards codex, when they truly didnt have to go that route and could probably have sold more overall if they hadnt. But GWs wonky silo'd report lines mean some suit probably nets a big bonus from X range selling rather than overall sales, so better for him to move a bunch of one line than a bunch more of multiple lines so we end up here.';

'>>92565603
>Guilliman trying to make the Imperium a better place is everything old 40k doesn't stand for.

Guilliman did fucking Imperium Secundus, dragged his heels on the siege and always had enough stuff there to seem less squeaky clean than his image.
If he had to come back he should have become an iron fisted tyrant, Goge Vandire style threatening anyone who dare question a Primarchs authority, cleaning up the Imperium in a way that is far less clearly "better" with more ambiguity as to the Emperor's awareness.

But no, the spiritual liege has to be utterly flawless and make the galaxy great again because we need good guys dammit.';

'>>92567202
>You actually have to, you know, say something. Make a critique.
There's critique of large organisations with authority. The Imperium is what happens when one guy or one organisation tries to run the universe, top-down. The bureaucracy becomes all-powerful, paperwork mistakes have huge and fatal consequences and individual needs and preferences of populations are stamped on by necessity. There's the resources for every citizen to live a good life, and they go on massive luxury for the rich and outrageous wastage among the military. Even in the modern Horus Heresy series, it's often commented that smaller civilisations were doing just fine until the Imperium came along but can't possibly resist such a massive organisation where unlimited growth is its only goal, backed by massive resources.

There's critique of religion, which is basically treated as an infection. It infects the old (the way the Mechanicum treats technology) and the new (the Emperor in the Horus Heresy, and the science of psionics). It's treated as something arising naturally from the human mind, dragging us down while leaving us open to exploitation by those at the top, or leading directly to destructions at the hands of our own base instincts in the form of the Chaos Powers. The Emperor, the Jesus-figure of the setting, "rises again" in the form of a rotting figurehead acting as a giant psychic lightbulb.

It's also a send-up of war and the military complex. It asks the question "what kind of circumstances would you need to justify constant war?" and comes up with a twisted, dark fantasy galaxy. Even in such circumstances, war isn't portrayed as "good"; very nearly every major confluct is due to a fuckup and was ultimately avoidable, and causes massive suffering both for those involved and those indentured to keep war running.

It isn't the best or most consistent satire, but it absolutely critisises topics that were relevant for the day and are relevant now.';

'>>92561881
I don't care bout Primaris, Cadia's fall and other recent shit because according to my headcanon they are not real.
I stopped caring about official lore after newcrons/grey knights retconing';

'>>92561881
>Female Custodes
this is just the beginning, the full assault hasn't even come close to starting';

'>>92561881
I don't mind nucrons. Female custodes I don't care about personally because I don't care about custodes in general, but it's a stepping stone for female marines.';

'>>92562139
Making a kid friendly version of 40k in general is a weird idea though.';

'>>92564960
Blue eyes, she's not Cadian.';

'>>92561932
i fucking hate vulkan for this shit especially when he fought against Magnus';

'>>92568587
>Well I assumed they were Primaris inurned within, calling into question how they have valuable experience worth preserving if they never actually saw major combat
The indomnatus crusade was like 100 years long, primarily marines aren't that "new" anymore by 40ks "present" besides that dreads are just about allowing the near dead to continuously fight. If you have empty dreads you don't care about how experienced they are. I don't see how there's any issue with them';

'>>92566911
>!
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I find that people who tack on so many exclamation points in that manner are nearly always establishment bootlickers who think they're so hecking smart and wholesome and englightened by always choosing the safest most group-friendly opinion.

Also lmao that the Imperium could in any way be considered worse than the Warp. 40k's point is- there are no good guys. The universe does not allow for good guys. Everyone is bad, it's about which flavour of bad you choose to survive. Everyone who reduces it to a "They're saying fascism is BAD!" is still missing the point. Fascism is bad, but the alternatives in the universe are also bad, there is no 'better' option, that is grimdark, you MUST choose one form of evil, trying to pretend any faction isn't evil defeats the point.';

'>>92568587
>I'm generally a Female Chauvinist/Misandrist
/fem9k/ please go.';

'>>92562104
Exactly, Femstodes fly in the face of biological reality, the culture of the setting and the politics of the setting.

Men are generally 20-50% stronger and smarter than women. Compare powerlifting men/women and eSports men/women.

The Imperium is pressed on all sides since M25 and quite frankly Feminists are only interested in dying for the Emperor and purging the heretic and consider transhumans to be dangerous/heretical. The Adeptus Terra don't have the luxury of being progressive, and the Deus Ex machina man, Cawl, has better things to do than make Femstodes.';

'>>92568711
Ahh yes the biological reality of the undefined science fiction advanced genetic and biological modification process of creating immortal 9ft tall demigods.';

'>>92568729
So rewrite the female Custodes from XX to XY DNA.

Why not just start with the superior XY DNA. NOT LIKE YOU NEED THE UTERUS.

Do you even think before you type?
Hurr Durr Wum3ns. You don't send a femboy do a woman's job, then don't send an infant girl into the Adeptus Terra genelabs to demand your baby girl joins the Custodes.

Or you'll what!? Speak to the manager!?
Your daddy works in the Adeptus Administratum?';

'I wonder if the people that complain about retcons in 40k think that the fluff is something that's actually set in stone or something.';

'>>92561946
the worst is what they reduced the C'tan into';

'>>92568768
We don't know the process, we don't know if it interacts with X or Y chromosomes.

They're taking the candidates well and truly beyond any kind of human limitations, why would the relatively tiny gender difference trends matter?
It's pretty much magic disguised with technobable. You can't just apply real life trends (it is just a trend, not an absolute rule that men are stronger than women) to space fantasy.';

'>>92568687
>Everyone who reduces it to a "They're saying fascism is BAD!" is still missing the point. Fascism is bad, but the alternatives in the universe are also bad, there is no 'better' option, that is grimdark

Hence the satire.
"When might facism be just one of many bad options, rather than the worst possible?"
"If we lived in a universe where demons were physically real, where thinking the wrong thoughts could transform you into a ten-foot tall murder monster and where aliens from beyond our galaxy were genuinely, obviously and inevitably coming to eat us. And *even then* the facists would fuck it up."';

'>>92568860
>And even then the fascists fuck it up

You just can't stop and leave your politics at the door. Stop. The Imperium is not the objective good OR bad guys. You keep going 'but ackshually the imperium are still the worst". I can just tell you also are one of the people supporting making the evil fascist bad guys more diverse and inclusive because representation is important amongst your own political enemies, even though that makes them less evil fascist by your own definition.

The setting is not an indictment of fascism specifically in the way you want it to be. I say this as someone who disagrees with fascism.';

'>>92568830
Yes I can because it is established by GW since Rogue Trader days that transhumans are still human and more human than abhumans.

That's literally the whole point of the Codex Astartes and the breaking of the Legions into Chapters. To ensure baseline Human supremacy within the Imperium.

The rebellion of the Horus Heresy began when Horus decided that the worlds that Sons of Horus should NOT be handed over to the Imperium/Adeptus Administration.';

'>>92568648

I thought the indomitus crusade got retconned to be way shorter?';

'>>92568893
Nice head cannon secondary.
Marine lore doesn't matter, custodes aren't marines and have an explicitly different (less specified) creation process.
What we do know about it is it's much less picky about its subjects, you usually just had to be the infant child of noble. No need to be a strong individual.
So nothing that definitively makes infant girls unsuitable candidates.';

'>>92568909
Did it? Even if it has its still a thing that's already happened and there would.
be veterans and casualties from it.';

'>>92561881
>Newcrons
Not even a scratch compared to anything else listed here
>Primaris
The worst offender. You WILL rebuy your army. Weapon by weapon. With the gayest ArtStation-tier designs imaginable.
>Primarchs coming back
Tied with Primaris as both go hand-in-hand with 40k's transformation into safe edgy shit
>Children's books
Corpo bullshit that was fated to flop and never be spoken of again. Are they even canon?
>Female Custodes
An attempt to give Squatcast players something to do with their nuked minis at best. A concession to Amazon at worst.
>Perpetuals
Second worst offender just for what it did to Ollanius Pius and the introduction of Erda';

'>>92568915
Cope harder.

Facts are that the GW heads are autist about biological realities and kept the setting as practical as possible, that's why the Imperium is de facto feudalist. And feudalism has no time for progress, only survival and maintaining their power base so the bigger guy thinks twice before starting trouble.

WH40K in year 2024 is Crusader Kings in Space.';

'>>92568919

Looks like the main part got reduced to 12 years in length but "phase 2" is ongoing. It's been a while but I also remembered it being 100 years plus then some book with a lot of chadmarines and girlyman totally rebutting that a while later.';

'>>92568890
>Stop. The Imperium is not the objective good OR bad guys.
It's like >>92568687 said; everyone is the bad guys, and that includes the Imperium.

>You keep going 'but ackshually the imperium are still the worst"
Please point out where I said that. >>92568860 is my post; quote me.

>I can just tell you also are one of the people supporting making the evil fascist bad guys more diverse and inclusive
I'm a big fan of Space Marines being roid raging psycho-indoctrinated child soldiers in hideously twisted genehanced bodies, who absolutely have to be male because of the hangups of their original creator and the fact that nobody fucking knows how to improve or even repair the process of making them.

At the end of the day, this isn't my setting; I'm not the one who chose to write the Imperium as rotting from the inside, based around a false religion, no linger able to produce new technology and desperately clinging on to an overly-large empire mired in authoritarian bureaucracy. If you've problem with commentary on facism, take it up with the 80s GW staff whose parents grew up during or just after the Blitz.';

'>>92568944
>autist about biological realities and kept the setting as practical as possible
so women arent allowed to serve in the IG?';

'>>92568944
>Facts are that the GW heads are autist about biological realities and kept the setting as practical as possible, that's why the Imperium is de facto feudalist.
Lol.no, wtf. There's so much just straight up fantasy bullshit that gets labelled "gene engineered" it's crazy. There's barely any respect for realistic biology at GW.';

'>>92568944
>kept the setting as practical as possible,
Yes the setting where a chainsaw is a common battlefield weapon for gaudy brightly coloured soldiers that don't bother with cover or tactics and humongous mecha are unreasonably huge fight literal demons is definitely all about being practical and realistic.';

'>>92568995
not to mention females fight in literally every other faction besides Imperium and no one cares';

'>>92569023

Why do you think the Eldar always lose?';

'>>92562817
>I have no rebuttal, but I feel the need to post my incel ideas
I hope she sees this anon';

'>>92561898
This the most pathetic (you) begging I’ve seen all week. If you’re that desperate, take it and go away.';

'>>92562234
>cuntstodes
In case you were wondering, this is why you are alone. Not enough that you have a stupid, juvenile fear of women, you’re not even smart or eloquent enough to be funny about it';

'>>92567773
Vulkan fight with Magnus was retarded.';

'>>92561881
Making Vulkan essentially Deadpool, but then having him always doing basically nothing but background shit because canonically its important that his own marines NOT know he's actually alive was the single stupidest thing GW has ever done. I get it, they didnt want the only black guy to immediately die, but there were so many better options then "what if we made him literally unkillable ever",

There are no stakes with him, he could have just solo'd Horus, fucking Magnus couldnt even have killed him.';

'>>92561881
I checked out after 5th edition.
The entire thing feels like a joke compared to the old IP, which makes sense since that was around when the last founders left too.';

'>>92561912
This. Fuck advancing the plot, I liked it just the way it was. Plot advancers are just corn syrup addicted redditards desperate for more marvel style consoomption and now we have toddler toys as marines.';

'>>92562006
Then:
>mysterious terminator like skeletons of death appearing from nowhere, harvesting flesh and souls to feed star gods
Now:
>tomb kings... but metal';

'>>92573535
the then is basicalyl just Tyranid but metal';

'>>92561881
The kid's books were pretty good, though.';

'>>92561881
You're mistaking developments for retcons

Also only one of those is politically motivated';

'>>92569023
Imperium has women fight as well in all its forces except marines (now) adding custodes to the typical imperial military stance on inclusion isn't crazy';

'>>92574409
Everyone knows that female space marines are coming, if there really was all this female representation in the imperium already then there wouldn’t be a need to ham fist them into custodes in the first place. They need to start making “40K is Female” T-shirts, I wonder how many people would buy them just to own the chuds.';

'>>92574835
Ok, but it has been there from the beginning. Custodes is actually the first group to be specifically changed to mixed gender. It's really not a big deal.';

'>>92575307
>Custodes is actually the first group to be specifically changed to mixed gender.
Not even the first, there are now biologically male Howling Banshees.';

'>>92568342
>But GWs wonky silo'd report lines mean some suit probably nets a big bonus from X range selling rather than overall sales, so better for him to move a bunch of one line than a bunch more of multiple lines so we end up here.
What if the Imperium isn't a satire of any specific ideology, but instead is a satire of the GW corporate offices?';

'>>92574061
>metal tyranids
How does it feel to be retarded? I always imagined it would hurt, like a constant migraine.';

'>>92561881
Tyranids. Literally turned the lizard slavedriving overlords into mindless bugs.';

'>>92576075
Nuh its just numb, I don’t feel much.';

'>>92576075
>metal tyranids';

'>>92561881
>retcons
I thank you for making it easier to not choose Primaris

In isolation I'd say Perpetuals. It's a significant step towards the superherofication problem; it undermines a lot of the 'common man' aspect of the Imperium, whilst also undermining the mystery and uniqueness of the Emperor.
I think Primarchs coming back is similar, but again isn't actually a retcon, and also isn't quite as bad.

I think Female custodes on it's surface is kind of bad, with the chance for something good (Emperor would 100% forbid female custodes for the same evolutionary reasons he prevented female astartes, so femstodes could be an example of the Imperium decaying in its principles even further). But I genuinely worry it's the beginning of the end, the penultimate end being femarines, and the actual ultimate end:
Female orks';

'>>92561881
Nobody cares about this Blackrock/Vanguard DEI Amazon trash';

'>>92577498
>implying any socjus crusader gives a fuck about orks except to occasionally call them racist';

'>>92578082
It's so true they had to try to edit all the old lore in online versions when it was pointed out to the new employees.';

'>>92578082
I honestly cant tell anymore if this is honest or sarcastic.';

'>>92578103
What does that even mean? GW are just doing their due-deligence on what should have been done in the first place. Nothing in the lore contradicts Female Adeptus Custodes. The fact that they are finally getting the representation that they ALWAYS should have had. They are the finest humanity has to offer, the perfect humans.

Confirming that there are woman amongst their ranks is a good thing. And it should have happened years ago. It is a shame that women who wanted Custodes have had to suffer this long.';

'>>92578110
And I honestly can't tell if you are gay or not.

What if it's just my shit opinion, anon? What then?';

'>>92575318
I was talking about the Imperium specifically.';

'Superhumans are the emperor's biggest failing, they destroyed the Imperium and attempted to do so in the past before, he went out of his way to not have them be their own race with both men and women disconnected from humanity.
His shattered psyche doesn't even care about them while manifesting miracles for normal humans.
Them becoming their own distinct groups with men and women while the primarchs come back to run everything and new characters being created that are making better new superhumans in an age of regression is a joke the new writers aren't in on as they write.';

'>>92578082
>>92578133
Aren't Custodes supposed to be based of the Emperor's genetic code, just like the Primarchs? Why the hell would He rule 63 some of his bodyguard clones? For shits and giggles? Snu-snu?';

'>>92578172
No. They were normal humans that the God-Emperor looked into the souls of and determined would be great people. (Based on their souls).

Each of the original Custodes is a work of art that the God-Emperor, himself, personally crafted.';

'>>92561881
>Newcrons
Could have be done better, invalidating all the previous C'Tan scheming and relegating said lore to lesser importance was stupid. Also them capturing humans and dumping them in bio-transference energy to feed their hungry gods was kino as well with Eldar Farseers pretty much going "Yeah Slaanesh sucks and all, but these fucks will be the only ones left standing the way we see it". Keeping both would have given some nice internal strife where the Necron were now once again fighting the C'tan after having subjugated them before as well as trying to restore their former empire/reclaim their bodies.
>Primaris
Poorly handed, GW were fags with their stronger, better, faster bullshit and could have just updated the model range. It was a giant asspull and basically I don't like most of the range.
>>92562104
The fact notorious shitposters have been talking about GW fags and not to include all these fucking bullshit in the setting since at least 2019 and some fucktard in GW marketing doing it anyway tells you all you need to know about the company. Whatever the cost, you have to keep these pronoun retards away from your company, whether you sell figurines or design turbine engines. These pronoun fucks and equity retards are all narcissist's to the extreme and the fact I have yet to meet a single one in engineering/manufacturing/production tells me all I need to know.';

'>>92578200
>Poorly handed, GW were fags with their stronger, better, faster bullshit and could have just updated the model range.
No, the money grab didn't work that way. You're not obligated to buy a newly-released, newly-sculped squad of tactical marines every time one comes out. GWs and tournaments let you use tactical marine models released in the 1990s as tactical marines today, even though they have completely different proportions.

You can't use those 1990s tactical marines as primaris, though.';

'>>92578082
>The Emperor obviously didn't befriend exclusively men
The Emperor had no friends, just useful tools. Hence why he never associated with women unless he absolutely had to (women are erratic and useless)';

'>>92562876
>but how were you supposed to play them without knowing what they were thinking?
why would you anyone need to care about this shit. this mindset is one of the reasons this whole thing became a dumpster fire
>>92578142
the fact that anons' first assumption was that you're baiting should tell you how idiotic your take was';

'>>92578110
It's NiceDaemonette, he's just a plain old trannyfaggot';

'>>92563394
This is so fucking true lmao.
Since anything resembling theism is heresy against their midwit secular fedora tipper religion you can tell how hard it comes to them.
Despite the fact that writing unhinged religious fanatics would be arguably more fun for an actual atheist. so it's good proof their belief system has morphed into it's very own gay little religion';

'>>92563637
Necrons got their fluff updated because cringe neckbeards couldn't annoyingly larp them while playing (eg no equivalent of shouting "for the emperor" or "waaaaaagh" )
The way Warhammer culture works is that players over identify with their armies.';

'>>92568152
>it actually has to be mocking something
Warhammer 40K and a lot of contemporary edgy 80s sci-fi properties were actually mocking the golden age sci-fi serials the creators grew up with. The flash gordon type prim and proper heroic space man sci-fi. The entire idea was "what if naive vision of the future... was actually le evil and edgy and cynical?"
People always think it's a political satire but it's just a bunch of jaded boomers dunking on the stuff they liked as kids.';

'>>92569707
He is not alone';

'>>92578339
It's not mocking those archetypes, it's subverting or inverting them. A mockery of those types of heroes would be Zapp Brannigan, who directly references and parodies 60s era space opera protagonist with heavy and obvious emphasis on Captain Kirk especially.

Don't try to lecture us on satire when you don't even know the difference between parody and subversion.';

'>>92578358
You are evidently really low IQ and I have no desire to discuss this with you.
Zapp Brannigan is a spoof, not a satire. You are clearly an idiot and it would be futile to talk about anything with you in a manner that actually demands a minimum of literary knowledge. Good night.';

'>>92569707
>not liking a shitty shoehorned retcon forced by jaded fags to spite their playerbase because they hate their life means you fear women
lmaooo';

'>>92578358
Subversion is a literary device not a genre you fucking dumbass.
RoboCop is a satire and uses subversion, Naked Gun is a parody. Futurama isn't a satire, it's a parody.';

'>>92563020
>honestly actually a pretty good change, nids already have the "omnicidal outside-context space threat" market cornered.
Absolutely braindead take.
With this logic we could remove 90% of factions
>Eldar are just humanoids trying to restore their empire just like Imperium, time to squat them
>>Necron are just humanoids trying to restore their empire just like Imperium, time to squat them
>Chaos Marines are just humans fighting for their god(s) just like Imperium';

'>>92578371
>Zapp Brannigan is a spoof, not a satire
That's what I said, retard. Can you fucking read?
>>92578383
And what was described was a literary device, not a fucking genre. Dumb shit.';

'>>92578238
It's not just "my take" though. It's the literal lore, which is why GW Tweeted out that there has always been Female Adeptus Custodes.

It was just a bunch of fans that memed a lot about Custodes being oiled up pillar men. Which is why we got to this point.

While it is unfortunate that GW finally chose now to communicate the biological sex of Custodes. There is nothing in the lore that contradicts women Custodes. (Besides the sons thing, which is specifically about replenishing their ranks. And clearly Custodes being only male was never GW's intention).';

'>>92578380
Your posting style is way too obvious, ND.';

'>>92569707
>>a single, supposedly unfunny line in that guy's post made you type all these out angrily
I can't tell you whether or not cuntstodes is an actually witty bit of wordplay, but I can tell you that your reaction is precisely what he wanted and I find you falling for obvious bait incredibly humorous.';

'>>92578219
I think that's a really shallow opinion, anon. You are simply projecting your biased opinion on women.';

'>>92578133
I'd tell you to be less obvious with your bait, but you doing so would only make this place even shittier.';

'Custodes lore clarification just add stuff in so it's not really too bad.

Newcrons added a lot of stuff, but you also lost the C'tans as special characters and the Necron Pariahs that had really cool designs. (necron pariahs legit didn't need to be removed too)

Primaris is a huge yikes because of a lot of models being fazed out in favor of them, and I'm not a fan of changing the range that much.

Grey Knight's Matt Ward Codex was horrible, sure it added stuff but the lore was just making them into "Gary Stu, the Chapter", with weird inconsistent lore, Kaldor Draigo was so OP he's still a joke to this day and among the new minis we got the stupid baby carrier robot.

I hope we get a GK range refresh and they fix the Dreadknight into a not-stupid design';

'>>92578468
Whatever you say, ND';

'>>92578425
Emperor is canonically autistic and autistics can't understand women because they're too erratic and two-faced. This isn't opinion, it's objective fact.';

'>>92578200
>Keeping both would have given some nice internal strife where the Necron were now once again fighting the C'tan after having subjugated them before as well as trying to restore their former empire/reclaim their bodies.

Yep. No idea why they didn't do this. "Approx 75% of Necrons are under Ctan control, but some are trying to get free, approx 25% are small empires that Pokeballed the Ctan who are waking up gearing for civil war". Everyone's happy, people who want their sociable royal politics Necrons can have that, people who want the Necrons to be a looming existential threat are happy.
And the 'Necrons & Tyranids are just the same then' people are missing that thats kind of the point, they're counterpoints, 2 opposing yet equally omnicidal galactic threats equal to Chaos in danger but both with the same endgoal of leaving the galaxy barren. The same as SoB & Marines are different-but-equal counterparts, the same as Custodes & SoS were until the gendermix. People don't seem to fucking understand that counterparts =/= duplicates and equal doesn't have to mean 'the same'.

>These pronoun fucks and equity retards are all narcissist's to the extreme

Narcissists with no empathy.
>I cant identify with this character or group unless I see someone who exactly matches me on every superficial level. If they look different how can I relate?
>I cant tolerate this group of fans, or these characters in the media, expressing views I find bad without it being focused on that THIS IS BAD. Either make it all about telling people thats bad or get rid of it.
>I cant tolerate this product not addressing the real world politics I care about, there's BAD THINGS in the world. People should not have escapism, politics should be present 24/7, I dont care if people feel suffering at the sight of others' suffering, I dont care if constant reminders of people suffering means they suffer constantly, if they want to stop suffering they should adopt my worldview & give me power.';

'>>92578412
>the perception of the best warriors humanity has to offer being all male was all the cause of a bunch of fans
>it was NEVER GW's intention for fans to think of Custodes like that
which is why they haven't even put out the smallest hint of female custodes since custodes inception until right before the amazon tv series comes out? LOL. the only one you're fooling here is yourself';

'>>92578412
>Custodes being only male was borne from people posting memes about them being the Pillar Men Custodes from TTS
>Custodes being only male was never GW's intention';

'>>92578412
How does that corporate boot-leather taste?';

'>>92578187
I'm honestly kind of baffled how much people get wrong about Custodes, kind of shows nobody really cared in the first place. Your post is right but its like you need to correct these kind of people every thread, especially the ones who think Primarchs have geneseeds.';

'Femstodies is the most "Just because the first domino fell, doesn't mean the others will" mindset for all the retarded tourist grifters here.

I know that I'm new (15 years with Vidya, 5 years with tabletop), but changing the custodes does nothing but push more changes since the argument would be "Why not a female primarch?" "Why not female space marines if custodes have a similar but greater version of becoming one?" "Why can't the Imperium have LGBT flags everywhere?"

Always challenge these people to post their armies if they argue for this shit, they never will post one with a timestamp';

'>>92561881
Newcrons, because it was the beginning of the end. If normienigs hadn't lapped up Le Whacky Egyptian Robospacemen, they wouldn't have had the confidence to pull the later bigger shit.';

'>>92562962
I headcanon it the other way around; they *had* their civil war and the Silent King won it, they "shattered" the C'tan like the nufluff, but when he fucked off(some might say under suspicious circumstances...) their Sheer Fucking Hubris got the better of them and some of the more ambitious Lords began recombining a few Shards so they would have one more powerful than their rival dynasties and began an arms race that allowed some Shards to become powerful and coherent enough to regain their free will and escape their bonds, quickly reconquering their former subjects and recombining themselves, with only a few isolated holdouts remaining free of domination. All of that on top of the War in Heaven is what led them to go into hibernation.';

'I think people have been, I don't know a better word, "romanticizing" the oldcron lore now. I agree with many complaints about nucrons, but I don't think their old lore was even that good, or even as spooky as some like to pretend it was.

I think its more an issue with the setting, in general neutering its bleak parts. Giving Necron players the tools to make their own stories/characters and apply abit of themselves into theirdudes is good, I just don't think it was done well with necron.

Nucrons are written embarressingly, because GW is full of sloppy hacks now, but oldcron lore crunched away any ability for players to have stories with them.
>just be happy someone will play the villain for you
I dislike this opinion because it basically is someone telling you necron narrative play is locked in place. Maybe the reason someone builds a necron army is different then just playing terminator for your marines.';

'>>92580259
>oldcron lore crunched away any ability for players to have stories with them
how?';

'>>92578187
>>92580070
You're not as correct as you think you are.
Old fluff was the process of making a Custodes began pre-adolescence & even then of the ones marked for candidacy, fewer survive than survive Marine creation/training. The Emperor had personally created all of them (which is why including them in the current era as an active fighting force was always stupid, but I digress).
The usual arguments against female custodes are:
>women couldn't survive it
Given actual biology, if few survive the process even with magic technosorcery, this is likely, but it's a big galaxy, you might get half a dozen of the 10,000 who are female, so whatever
>this is a woke change for Blackrock ESG dollars
True, it's not change driven by organic sales demand or narrative merit, but companies want money they don't care if it's from you or asset funds, pointless argument.
>For representation there's already SoS as their counterpart.
100% true, counterpart characters are fine. I play Eldar I dont give a shit about having more female characters, if you want more, CREATE, dont change/replace, expand on the female counterpart to Custodes & make SoS a worthwhile 'similar but not the same, equal but different' force. But representation advocates aren't usually sincere because its more about power/control, so this argument wont win.

The most obvious reason against female Custodes is that if the process starts that early in childhood, by the time you're done there's not going to be any functional gender dimorphism left. They won't have tits, they won't even have dicks beyond shrivelled pisstubes, they won't have feminine faces, they're all going to be entirely inhuman but human-shaped 10 foot slabs of meat. Female Custodes is dumb because by feminising them, you're over-expressing their gender, taking them away from the genetic monstrosities they're supposed to be and closer to generic bright & shiny scifi girlboss & gigachad. It fundamentally changes things beyond "WIMMEN".';

'>>92580322
they lacked any individual will and their entire motivation is feeding their ctan, which is overbearing on allowing them any other motivation and imo 40k has enough overbearing gods completely controlling a faction';

'>>92561946
This. They should've kept them as Tyranids of metal.';

'>>92578219
He was friends with Malcador, and used to be friends with Ollanius Pious.';

'>>92561881
femstodes.
>does literally nothing to make the custodes a more interesting faction
>a massive fuck you to the already neglected sisters
>was handled by james in the worst way possible. they didnt even come up with a plausible reason they just said "they've always existed chud, deal with it"
>james fails to realize that women just aren't into custodes all that much, and adding bewbs wont change that.
best case scenario this was just a misguided and hilariously incompetent attempt at appealing to women. worst case scenario this is james sucking investor dick. regardless I'm just gonna pretend it never happened.';

'>>92582292
>Malcador
Was so upset that Emps wasn't REALLY his friend that he had to create his very own half-elf femboy sex slave to trauma dump on.
>Ollie P.
Was just another useful tool. They even retconned out Emps being all that chuffed by his death.';

'>>92561896
if it goes poorly, it's the compromise.
if it goes well, the missing primarchs are female, which is honestly an interesting idea. shield maidens and grotesque slaanesh succubi';

'>>92561881
They're all pretty fucking awful. Probably, Primaris marines did the most damage to the lore.
Fem Custodes is definitely the most insidious though. It comes from a hateful ideology seeking to subvert the whole setting and hobby. The others can be chalked up to corporate greed and stupidity.';

'>>92562109
Oh fuck off, that's dishonest at best. Everyone at my shop just about is married with kids';

'>>92562800
Checked and yes';

'>>92562055
>And flayed ones aren't as gruesome anymore.
What are you talking about? All of the changes made them freakier:
>They don't just bury themselves in dirt, they crawl out of some kind of Hellish pocket dimension full of bones and flesh
>They're a disease/curse that can spread to other Necrons
>They can mimic voices to lure in victims';

'>>92580259
Oldcrons were also basically a dead-end in terms of model releases';

'>>92561881
>Female Custodes
Urgent Transmission from my Custodes Regiment to every "female custodian" out there: >>>/wsg/5522588';

'>>92578425
He's cute';

'>>92562047
That joke doesn't really have a lot of meat on its bones';

'>>92561881
what was it about primaris that pissed in everyone's khorne flakes? how much damage to the lore did cawl's 10,000 year science project do?';

'>>92563419
Why did a planet have to be destroyed at all to advance the plot? There are a million little (and big) mysteries in the 40k lore that could have been used to advance the plot.

One big one could have been having the Golden Throne finally fail and the Emperor fully dies. That was something that was teased for multiple editions and nothing ever came of it.';

'>>92561881
>Primaris marines
>Perpetuals replacing the Sensei, Ollanious in particular. A random guardsman who stood against a demonic demigod? Nah fuck that, he's the oldest human in existence who fought in every conflict ever, and was best friend with the Emperor once. Fucking Bravo Dan.
>The Horus Heresy, in particular the Pharos incident being responsible for drawing the Tyranids to the galaxy.
>Femstodes';

'>>92563394
>>92564854
It's this a thing of the new codexes? I don't remember that in 4th ed.';

'>>92583102
>Just make an even bigger mistske
Anon...';

'>>92583217
Nah, there's several directions they could have taken that particular plot advancement. One being that the Emperor's physical death allows him to manifest fully as a god in the Warp. That would allow him to keep the Astronomican going, thus largely maintaining the status quo, but could still open up new plot points without disrupting the setting too much.';

'>>92583266
So your idea is to make an even bigger change with huge poorly thought ramifications instead of destroying Cadia.';

'>>92583319
How is it bigger? It literally maintains the status quo. The only thing that changes is the Emperor doesn't have a physical form anymore.

That would have been enough to appease the "advance the plot" faggots while not really making any serious changes to the overall state of the 40k galaxy.';

'femstodies makes my dick hard so I'm all for it';

'>>92578290
Played necrons since 5th. Necron dudes are supposed to be quiet as possible, speaking only when required, from like a RP standpoint. Fucking all hive minded with wifi and shit, they don't need to talk to each other. Works for me, as I love the game and generally hate most people who play it. There's only one thing worse than a smelly autist and that's a LOUD, smelly autist.

I feel like titty marines are dumb, chicks have always existed for the humans as Sisters.

They're doing the same thing Magic did; trying to appeal to everyone so everyone will buy the game. Magic sucks now because there's like 8 new expansions a year, and it's a lot easier to get into, just buy cards. It ruined Magic, but magic didn't fall off to it because, you just buy cards. There's no modeling or painting. Now, if WH, starts putting out 8 new editions a year (and I think most editions needed longer lives, personally), just so you have to keep buying new figures all year to keep current, it'll die. They know that, lot more expensive to make moulds than print on shitty cardstock.

I honestly don't get into marine lore, thats not my faction, let those players love or hate their own stuff as I don't know enough to have an opinion. From what I've seen and heard, yeah, I'd be pissy too.';

'>>92580394
how is that different from every other wh40k faction in general? regardless, limitations drive creativity';

'female custodes.
Not because its the worst hange in a storytelling sense. Its a pretty unremarkable change in itself. But its the kind of change informed by politics and virtue signalling rather than a desire to make money. The others are pretty much all* just crass moneygrabs.

But the thing about crass moneygrabs is they respond to money. If they instead cause business to slump they will be stopped or rolled back.

The political types, if they take over, will ride the game all the way to the end of the crash and shout "shame on you" from the crater.

*the exception being newcrons. Those were just a flatly good idea artistically speaking. Metal tyranids were boring as fuck and needed to go.';

'Why do people parrot the metal Tyranids meme so much for old Necrons? Tyranids are lame and still use shit like the warp, the thing that made old Necrons spooky and more dangerous is that they could equal those feats by completely unknown means from just having such a deep understanding of the universe on a fundamental level from their gods, the C’tan. They could bend reality without outside forces and that is what enspookened them. Tyranids are fundamentally just another warp using xeno race, they are less interesting than any other Xeno besides maybe Tau.
Anyway I argue the Newcrons shit is the seed they use to justify the other shit which is why I don’t forgive GW. Slippery slope is real.';

'>>92584165
>soulless personalityless bugs that just want to kill us all under the command of their distant inscrutable hive mind got here with warp travel
>soulless personalityless robots that just want to kill us all under the command of their distant inscrutable gods got here with hyperdive

aww man, such creative breadth.';

'>>92584215
Except orks already filled the role of “numerous xeno faction that jobs to push the bigger chaos threat”.
Oldcrons had way more personality than Tyranids and added way more to the setting in giving the Eldar a rival/something they see as arguably worse than even chaos and Humanity a glimpse of a possible future for themselves. Newcrons ruin Eldar too since now it comes off as bitching at a race that didn’t even have sentience when they fought millions of years ago and is willing to cooperate now that they broke free. I get being mad at the silent king and C’tan but most Necrons were forced to become robos and they had zero free will until after the war and shattering of the C’tan. Also gave an impression there are other eldrich forces besides the warp that humanity needs to watch out for';

'>>92584287
Forgot to mention that orks and tyranids are even more redundant since both are hyper melee focused as well';

'>>92583838
Exactly right. Custodes retcon isn't to make money, it's to push an agenda and set a precedent for similar changes.
Primaris Marines for example were a way to update the marine catalogue (the poster boys) with better poses and get everyone to rebuy their best selling models.';

'>>92583126
Unironically Sensei are the ones I kind of want back most. Perpetuals are very unpersonel, and emotionally null. Sensei, well maybe not the most original concept, has more speaking for it emotionally.';

'>>92561881
I miss when khornate orks were a thing. honestly I'd like to see more xenos being part of the forces of chaos instead of just corrupted marines.';

'>>92584588
this. such soul is unfortunately irreversibly gone now; is all just business';

'>>92569707
>you're just mad about women, chud. have grass and touch sex
why do people like (you) have such a massive problem with the muhreens and banana dudes being boys clubs? the sororitas are all female and nobody cares so what do you have against men?';

'>>92585228
is all just porn-addiction induced confusion. males thinkin of themselves as females just because they shaved their legs, wore longsocks, and painted their lips red and shit. sad, really. in wh40k terms you'd just call them whooly consumed by slaneesh but irl it's just supposed to be normal? gimme a fucking break';

'>>92561881
That the squigs used by Orks used to be Tyranid bioweapons that were 'liberated' by the Orks.';

'>>92561881
Turning space marines from drugged up psychopaths who brutally enforces the empires oppressive regimes to holy heroic super warriors.';

'I find it mind-blowing how they removed FTL for the Tau at one point. It made their interstellar Empire almost unworkable. It was even more funny when they claimed that Tau ships moved faster than the Imperium ones.';

'>>92562876
God you're an idiot';

'>>92588552
This

Love those old images of things like rogue marines, renegades, etc.
People out for themselves.
Necromunda-esque futurism on a bigger scale.';

'>>92561881
Primaris is kinda linked with the primarchs coming back in my opinion, because the main problem I have is in fact "Moving the timeline on".

40K is a setting. It main focus is the desperate loosing battle for mankind survival. The goal is to let the players build their stories from that point. Moving on with the timeline completely defeat the purpose.';

'>>92584215
Oldcrons and Tyranids are not the same. Tyranids are driven by a goal, the need to consume biomass. They are rationals beings. Necrons are an IA executing its programation. So it can leads in absurd situation. I can't remember where I read it, but for exemple the Imperial Guard used to send regiments on a planet for training purpose because a Necron Army would pop at a specific time and then despawn. I can even imagine Necron overlord interacting with people, simulating a personnality just like a random NPC from any MMORPG, delivering speech without any meanings behind it, giving the false hope to humans that they can be reasonned with only to discover that the fuckin quest once completed is a daily.

The only thing I enjoy in the newcrons is the C'tans being trapped. It s kinda horrific to imagine something being imprisonned by an IA, meaning there is no jailers in fact.';

'>>92583056
>what was it about primaris that pissed in everyone's khorne flakes?

Somebody post the "better Batman" pasta.';

'>>92561881

Femstodes is the one that makes me the angriest due to the gaslighting involved, though if I'm being rational both Primaris and Nucrons are worse lore rape.';

'>>92562234
It's just fresh on your mind. People seethed about all of those.';

'Call me when there are male sisters of battle. I'll be there to bitch. Femstodes is just pathetic.';

'You'd think it would have been easier to just tell your armies to identify as women instead of creating the SoB in nu-40k';

'Everything after 2008 is all equally non-canon.';

'>>92582870
>It comes from a hateful ideology seeking to subvert the whole setting and hobby. The
No, that's the people against it.

> But its the kind of change informed by politics and virtue signalling rather than a desire to make money.
Virtue signaling is a way to earn money.';

'>>92588982
>because the main problem I have is in fact "Moving the timeline on".
You are literally everything wrong with Warhammer fans and I hope you get ignored as much as possible.

>Moving on with the timeline completely defeat the purpose.
How? Literally, if you don't like a part of that setting, ignore it when playing.

I mean, you won't because nobody cares but you could still do it in theory.';

'>>92591510
> Virtue signaling is a way to earn money.
Yes, so many people don’t get that. It may lose GW sales, but they’ll make up for that with access to loans and having their stock price maintained.';

'>>92591649
>It may lose GW sales,
I honestly doubt even that. Either way, long term it will make more money.

Biggest issue facing GW right now is that buying their products is, between online rules and 3d printers, is slowly becoming a morale choice in the same way buying movies or games is a morale choice. You have to appeal to people with a strong sense of right or wrong if you want to have a future as a business.';

'femstodes seriously ruining everything, ignoring biological reality';

'>>92591510
>No, that's the people against it.
This is what makes the ideology so dangerous. It's like a religious cult. They're so zealous and righteous, they're blind to their own evil and hypocrisy.';

'>>92582791
Sisters of Battle were the compromise.
Stormcast Eternals were the compromise.
Votann were the compromise.

This only ends one way.';

'>>92591766
Agreed. It's ridiculous to expect reality in 40k, which is why we need to stop including diversity in the armies, since that's a realistic part of our culture.';

'>>92591649
I'll put it like this for faggots defending female Custodies. It doesn't work, it will only give them access to loans and payments they 'eventually' will have to payback because 'loan' is short for 'Loaning of money from a bank/institute in the hopes it makes more money back'

If people don't buy 40k things, they cannot 'pay back the loan'. They need to hope the people they can sucker into 40k outweighs the people leaving it who are massive paypigs.

Now, these people will pirate the PDFs and 3d print their minis and won't show up at official events. The people that GW is enticing to join will see that and do the exact same because it is cheaper, they can make the minis they want and basically GW is only attracting idiots who think they are getting 'real product' and then have to look into if they really want to just 'Funko Pop' collect these shits when they can just get Funko Pop that are already painted and ready in the box then having to assemble and paint these yourself OR they actually have to read the rules and roll the dice and play an actual board game then grift on /tg/ and play the video games where GW only makes the profit off selling the license and a portion of the sales.

Literally less damage would be caused if you made Leman Russ come back as a female furry daemon loyalist primarch that is your typical e621 muscular generic wolfgirl in power armor because you can atleast blame Chaos for doing that which logically works in 40k then the notion that the superhuman process to create custodies that is later used for Space Marines included girls and yet the Space Marines cannot do girls and so that is forced and people hate it and leave.';

'>>92591905
>Sisters of Battle were the compromise.
>Stormcast Eternals were the compromise.
>Votann were the compromise.
those all went well, so they'll keep pushing';

'>browse jewtube
>GW CFO just dumped a number of her stocks
Buy the dip?';

'I don’t really get the rage against the newcrons, i mean as far as i know only the higher ranking necrons still have sentience and the lower ranks are still mindless automatons. Plus theres still the destroyers and severed worlds if you want soulless machines that want to exterminate all life. Seems like oldcrons were really one-dimensional before the change';

'Female custodes:
>give us black marines
>ok now give us female marines
>what do you mean you can't do female marines
>no sisters of battles are too christian that might offend people
>female marines or the deal's off';

'>>92579488
>right before the amazon tv series comes out
The fuck you mean “right before”, literally the only thing known is Henry Cavill.';

'The whole situation is rather disheartening. Fucking amazon.

Never trust american megacorp money. They will poison anything they touch.';

'>>92594629
Because it's a completely retarded change when they could have just added a new sub faction of Necrons. It would be like if when they came out with Dark Eldar or Harelequins it just replaced Eldar. Oldcrons are eldritch terror that bend reality to their will and have methods that other races don't understand, Newcrons are just reskinned human egyptians that happen to have good tech';

'>>92561881
>>Newcrons
Huge upgrade tbqh
Even the DoWfags who pretend to prefer the metal tyranids for boomer clout openly love the Necron units that a personality in those games';

'>>92596264
>m-muh americans
lol
Why are yuropeons never willing to accept responsibility for their own bad behavior?';

'>>92596753
I don't mind the country, but when this keeps happening from american media companies, might as well call a spade a spade.
Warhammer was fine up until this amazon debacle.';

'>>92562876
And yet tyranids are the same but never got retconned, all the personality crap stays in the genestealer cults';

'>>92591717
>Either way, long term it will make more money.
Cite evidence where a company gained more business than it lost by pissing on an existing customer base.

>Biggest issue facing GW right now is that buying their products is, between online rules and 3d printers, is slowly becoming a morale choice in the same way buying movies or games is a morale choice.
Exactly, and things like femstodes may look vanishingly small, but they have an outsize impact because of the hobby moving away from GW already. Youtubers and such already had content out that told new people to go straight to 3d printing because its far cheaper and better than buying models from GW. My entire group moved to 3d printing and OPR over the last year, and funded it by selling their existing GW models';

'>>92591510
>Virtue signaling is a way to earn money.
No it doesnt, because the people they are virtue signaling to had no intention of ever buying the products they complain about. Do you really think that people monitor every bit of talk about 40k and buy into the hobby because of femstodes being mentioned? You think the chicks on the View are going to have paint parties now?';

'>>92591510
>Virtue signaling is a way to earn money.
Is it?';

'>>92583815
I mean its not and maybe thats why its more interesting to make the Necron something more, and allow them a perspective';

'>>92564440
I just ignore the perpetual nonsense because it's dumb. Ollanius remains as he was originally conceived';

'>>92595082
>>give us black marines
Anon those have been around before Amazon even touched the IP. At least until the ork snipers got them';

'>>92597948
It's rather insidious as they get constant money printed against the US citizenry to keep even the worst investments afloat as they are holding everyone's retirement funds hostage.
Even when they blatantly talk about breaking corporate and financial laws nothing is done but giving them free money.';

'>>92594629
Quite a massive change to go from mindless automatons executing their program to having a sentient "human" being at their command now. You can talk, rationalize, negotiate with a human. They have goals, ambitions and rivalry. Even if they burn half of the galaxy, they doesn't look as threatening as before, contrary to Tyranids for exemple.';

'>>92561881
Newcrons. I grew up reading my friends 3rd ed necron codex and it absolutely stuck with me as peak grimdark. Every good element of 40k horror all rolled into one.

Now we just have gimicky robo-egyptians.

The rest of them are stupid, mostly cosmetic bullshit done for greed or DEI reasons, but at least you can just ignore it. OG Necrons are gone forever.';

'>>92595082
It was so funny seeing people on twitter trying to spin the whole female costudes thing as some Amazon mandate based on a single shitpost on here that ended with “my dad works at Nintendo” only for them to double down and claim that the phrase “my dad works at Nintendo” is 4chan code for “I have industry connections but can’t reveal them or I’ll face consequences” while larping as oldfags and getting dunked on by everyone else. Made it pretty obvious that the people who push this American culture war bullshit on here are all tourists from twitter and reddit with a very warped view of what 4chan culture is who treat this site incredibly seriously instead of a goofy anime website where anyone can post dumb bullshit.';

'>>92598653
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/%E2%80%9Cmy%20dad%20works%20at%20Nintendo%E2%80%9D/
You've made this post twice now and got utterly BTFO last time. It's time to find a new slide tactic, r/sigmarxism';

'>>92599273
Someone’s feeling called out.';

'>>92561881
Perpetuals, especially Erda the Bitchtard.';

'>>92563020
>second worst thing on your list, it dumpsters the already-neglected Sisters of Silence
Sisters of Silence are neglected by GW because no one likes them or asked for them.
GW just unceremouniously just shoved them into the custodes codex even though custodesfags never even asked for it in the first place.';

'>>92598653
yeah, I bet it has absolutely nothing to do with the amazon tv series deal... LOL!';

'Female custodes aren’t a retcon. There were always female custodes.
Regardless, it’s a good thing. 40k is a dark setting but that doesn’t mean it’s for bigots or fascists. Stop being evil.';

'>>92561946
nah, newcrons were a good decision.
they're a retcon and their fluff is less metal (!), yeah, but that's all justified in the name of creating more opportunities for hobbyists to do their own donutsteel and conversions. oldcrons were too monolithic. one of the rare examples of modern gw remembering what purpose 40k fluff was designed to serve.';

'>>92600861
Then why is it only now that it is an issue and the purpose doesn't add anything to the tabletop and actively diminishes female roles in the lore?

The only one being a bigot and fascist is you demanding it and being a fag about it while not being part of the hobby.';

'>>92600861
Peak gaslighting.';

'>>92591831
Totally. It's why you should gatekeep right wingers.

>>92597854
The entire history of GW, for starters. Not that people mad at female custodes are a actual audince. Like you said, you people are already moving away. Immoral people bereft of empathy or love do not make good consumers.

>>92597897
Yes, they do. They have shown to be more consistent than any boycot. It's why they keep winning the culture war.';

'>>92603827
It's only a issue because you subhumans won't shut up about it.';

'>>92597948
Yes. Obviously.';

'Newcrons are just Tomb Kangs in Space so they're okay I guess
I don't hate Primaris. dumb lore but I like the models a lot they're neat.
Primarch returning is retarded
Children's books don't bother me because I don't read them
Fem Custodes are egregious.
I don't care about Perpetuals.';

'>92605393
>Immoral people bereft of empathy or love do not make good consumers.
imagine being sooo deep in your axe wound circlejerk that you actually think that the only people brave enough to stand up against all of globohomo and say "taking HRT and mutilating your genitals is a super bad idea and wont help you at all" is something only horrible people say.

What an insane retard you are, you have earned your near-future an heroing. You dont belong in this hobby or on this website either. Go back to your groomercord.

>92605411
using our own insults for defectives like you against us isnt insulting to anything except our intelligence. You dont belong here.';

'>>92605471
Newcrons are much more coherent and interesting than Cyber-tyrannids-cum-terminators, thats a boring concept that is far too similar to both tyrannids and the Men of Iron. Newcrons are much better as a concept for lore and good storytelling and the Rise trilogy + The Infinite and the Divine were both testament to how much fun and passion a decent author can put into them.

Primaris could have been handled a bit better, there was some hamfisted developments there, the Black Templars happily bending over and accepting them without a complaint, except for a single tiny company, was bad writing.

DA's Azrael even contemplating nuking Guillimans flagship as they arrived was also retarded.';

'>>92606226
>Brings up trannies out of nowhere
>Talks about taking a stand against globalhomo like it's a real thing.
If you want to prove I'm too deep, you could try not being a walking sterotype yourself. As is, you are clearly evil and I can 100% ignore anything you say because of that.

I call you a subhuman because you have shown a fundamental lack of humanity in your words and actions. You call it because you think it's a nice insult. We are not the same, subhuman.';

'>>92608617
No one wants to be the same as a faggot completely indoctrinated into the corporate narrative.';

'>92608617
>We are not the same
the only correct part of your post you delusional circus freak
>subhuman
doubling down on your own projection i see tranny. You are as transparent as you are mentally ill. Evil? you remind me distinctly of another troon on this board bragging about being literally, objectively evil, if you're the same abomination and want to know what evil is, try looking in the mirror, a troons worst enemy.

>>92599273
based anon
>>92599735
but at least they make sense and fit lore-wise, they dont degrade anything by existing. It is baffling how much GW fucks up constantly by neglecting entire army ranges for decades, like what do they really lose by having an updated range of every miniature available at the same time? is it them just abusing FOMO on purpose?';

'>>92599357
Yeah, and it's (you)';

'>>92608742
If you mean displaying basic humanity, then yes. Companies, for all of their flaws, generally sell their products to humans.

>>92608893
>the only correct part of your post you delusional circus freak
Correct. You are not human, I am. Therefore you are evil and should be wiped out, subhuman. Nothing more needs to be said. You are a animal, I am a person. Feel free to have teh last word. I heard it's something animals often enjoy.';

'>>92606226
That’s correct only horrible people say that. You are a horrible person for saying it.';

'>>92608893
We will twist everything you thought you had to yourself into a progressive paradise, and we will smile. And if that makes you mad, just know there’s nothing you can do about it except mald on a forum. Progs always win. It may take 10 years, it may take 1000, but progs always win.';

'>>92568830
By that logic, they wouldn't really look like/be females anymore, so why change the lore in the first place?';

'>>92609212
If you haven't noticed by the last few posts, he is spiteful about his cursed form and mind he wants to destroy everything else people make or enjoy.';

'>>92609315
>People enjoy
You are not people.';

'>>92609142
>trannies
>human
L M A O';

'>>92609337
Yes, we are. How does it feel to belong to the same species as someone you despise for existing? Moreover, how does it feel that you’re actively losing to them?';

'>>92609337
More human than every right winger put together.';

'>92609162
>troon too mind addled on HRT meds to read a post properly
sure i could have used better grammar but you're not worth the effort
>92609183
>Progs always win. It may take 10 years, it may take 1000, but progs always win.
no matter how many bodies you npcs stack up huh? over 100million+ dead innocents worldwide from you commies and you still havent figured it out? you dangle on the strings of masters who despise you and see you for what you are exactly, which is subhuman. Cope and neck yourself tourist.

>>92609212
theres no logic there, i havent got the patience or masochistic tendencies to explain the countless lessons troons have unlearned/ran away from in terror on how human biology works, theres even a doctor on youtube that went into detail on the Astartes process and how it might relate to reality.

At our core biology our physical potential is mapped out from birth, even things like our tendons, joint tissue and their peak potential performance are all hard capped by genetics and whatever toxins/poisons and nutrients we get or fail to get while developing from infancy. Nearly every physical component of a man down to the cellular level is different and designed largely for strength, speed and endurance, as opposed to women, who are evolved to survive crisises and keep themselves safe to give birth.

The custodes process involves dna shaping and editing, which means only the 0.000001% of all men would ever qualify for the process, its absurd to put women in that position, the lore openly states many times the process to create 1 custodes takes ridiculous amounts of resources and time, there is 0 logical reasons, in lore, reality, or from a writers POV to include women in this outside of cringe DIE-policy pandering. Fuck im mad i even know all this shit, what a waste of my time in hindsight.';

'>>92609397
>no matter how many bodies you npcs stack up huh? over 100million+ dead innocents worldwide from you commies and you still havent figured it out?
Dead, to be sure. Innocent, no.

If anything, the fact you are still alive means there is still work to be done.

>The custodes process involves dna shaping and editing, which means only the 0.000001% of all men would ever qualify for the process,
Why do you assume the DNA directly ties to things only men posses? You do realize how DNA works, right?

Oh, right, you don't. Typical.';

'>>92609337
He really had to respond to this twice.';

'>>92609397
My phantom “masters” can despise me all they want, as they are not real and therefore their hatred is as nonexistent as the Right’s chances for victory in the culture war.

Also, tourist greatly undersells our capability. Call me Conqueror.';

'>>92609419
Actually, there’s multiple of us. I know it’s crazy for you to be the minority in your safe space, but stranger things have happened; like female custodes existing now and always.';

'Turd worlders getting cheap phones and internet access, welfare leftoids in 'Murrica and chatGPT are a fucking catastrophe for the internet as a whole. This shit >>92609427 has been ravaging /v/ for a while now.';

'>>92609481
Hey, if they can’t stop us, they deserve to go to shit. Vae Victis.';

'>>92565413
I'd be down for that.';

'>>92609417
>>92609425
>>92609427
This is bait right? You do realize calling yourself "Conqueror" while advocating for the death of people you claim to be subhuman is imperialistic AND genocidal right?';

'>>92609427
You and your precious "headmates" aren't even one person, let alone multiple';

'>>92609517
He's a guy who uses female pronouns, he is capable to great cognitive dissonance.';

'>>92609517
Your reply to two different people. I never called anyone subhuman. Frankly it’s a bad insult. Every person is human, and humans are endowed with free will and the ability to choose. To take that agency away from them lessens their evil.

But no, I am not baiting. The right will lose the culture war, and we will laugh as their hobbies cease to resemble anything they thought they loved. They have sown the wind with their rhetoric, and so they shall reap the whirlwind. Besides, the right thinks Genocide is a good thing when it happens to people they don’t like. I would never advocate for it myself, but who can blame someone for realizing the moral high ground has always been bullshit? If the opponent wants to kill every last one if you, doing anything other than responding in mind is retarded.

But that’s all a bit too high level for arguing about plastic toy soldier lore, which will continue to change to be more progressive with time. And that is a good thing.';

'>>92609526
What a shame that reality contradicts your delusions.';

'>>92609535
Actually, I’m just capable of being objectively correct about everything, as I am doing now by pointing out that your precious trad hobbies have a clock ticking down to them becoming fully woke. Which, again, is a good thing.';

'>>92609517
Like the other anon said, you are talking to two different people.

>>92609542
>Frankly it’s a bad insult. Every person is human, and humans are endowed with free will and the ability to choose. To take that agency away from them lessens their evil.
I can admire that attitude even though I can't really say I agree anymore.';

'>>92609517
It's fine because rightoids aren't people';

'>>92608989
No, I was only talking about how people on twitter were spreading around a 4chan shitpost as some sort of secret insider source. I never mentioned anything about people here taking it as gospel, the fact that you and a couple of other people here feels called out by me dunking on twittertards says more about you than anything else.';

'>>92561881
Not a retcon. There were always female Custodes.';

'>>92609606
>Not a retcon. Orkz were always trans.';

'>>92609542
>>92609549
>>92609556
>>92609564
>Your reply to two different people.
There might be 2+ of you but I'm certain someone is pretending to be multiple people.
I sincerely doubt this thread will get back on track to shitting on GW, but I want you all to know that Primaris are still definitely the worst thing GW ever did and it's not even a contest.';

'>>92609617
>but I'm certain someone is pretending to be multiple people.
Probably a right winger.

>but I want you all to know that Primaris are still definitely the worst thing GW ever did and it's not even a contest.
I still wonder if they should have just released new kits and not had the lore explanation.';

'Can he at least type a little differently between his two personalities?';

'>>92609617
On that at least, we can agree.';

'>>92609615
You jest but that actually was canon at one point.';

'>>92609579
Methinks the tranny doth protest too much';

'>>92564604
99.95% of Necrons still have no personality and are just following orders';

'>>92609526
lol
>>92609556
seek therapy, you have a SEVERE mental illness that will eventually kill you, and I wish I was exaggarating, kidding, or baiting';

'>>92611019
NTA, but you are obviously projecting.';

'>>92611029
>complete denial
>less than 2mins thus terminally online
As I said - seek professional help.';

'>>92610382
No it wasn't. Orks were always asexual/monogendered, they used to just have a weirder life cycle where they went feral and spontaneously developed new orks in a brood pouch like a kangaroo/seahorse. Spreading misinformation gets you nowhere, hobby gypsy grifter.';

'>>92565455
The Lion is back, and he is going to carry the load like he always has. prepare everyone against humanities anuses.';

'>>92611042
No, mental help is for weaklings. I am not weak.';

'>>92601670
>nah
How you know you're about to read a real shit-for-brains take

It's been 11 years and those conversions have never transpired you fucking idiot, nothing has been done that couldn't have been done before';

'>>92612658
>he is going to carry the load
Lmao geddit cuz he's a fag';