'>>92573451
>Tell us about your snowflake character or another player's snowflake character.
I honestly don't remember any snowflake characters at my my table. That's kind of sad not gonna lie.';

'>>92573451
>TQ

Alright. Here goes nothing. I have posted about this character before but I'll try to be objective about it since it isn't my character.

>Dr. Silas Atwater, Clan Kiasyd
>Born poor around Leeds, got into University on a sports scholarship but made a hard pivot into archaeology while there.
>Got married, but had no kids when the Sabbat came by. He got embraced.
>So did his wife, but both of them had their memories altered to think the other died. He was embraced by a Kiasyd, she was embraced by a Harbingers of Skulls.
>I genuinely don't remember his embrace date, it kept changing. I think it was somewhere in the interwar period?
>He defected to the Camarilla as soon as he knew what it was, and hid under Mithras's skirt to avoid being ashed for it.
>Went to Washington D.C. (where the game was set) looking into some weird occult stuff.
>Also he knew martial arts and fought exclusively with his fists.
>Kept going off on his own hour-long sidequests, usually trying to stick his nose into whatever fairy stuff he could. (This isn't mockery I swear, it's something the character actually did.)
>Actively avoided Camarilla social stuff because he was embarrassed by some Toreador when he first got to D.C.

Nightmare Mode: He reunited with his wife towards the end of the game, and it was actually handled very well. No rushing into each other's arms and having a freakpire make-out session, it was awkward. Stilted. Their last interaction was agreeing to return to their old house back in England, he dropped her off to get smuggled back into the U.K. and said he'd join her when he was done with business here. As much as the character made me want to tear my hair out playing with him, that ending was actually very well handled. ';

'>>92573451
>Tell us about your snowflake character
Okay the most special snowflake character i ever played

remember that one loresheet in v5 that basicly allowed you to play tremere salubri fusion? way way back in a dark age game i played what was basically a unholy tremere lasombra fusion

the story was that my character as a former tremere mage who traveled to venice before the whole house got turned into vampires, hit it off romantically with a lasombra vampire and got fascinated with the abyss, got ghouled, but managed to flee one night as to not get embraced... only to be embraced in the next tremere chantry anyway which pissed off the lasombra so much that he demanded the right to adopt my character which the prince granted

according to my st back then this was enough to take the aditional discipline merit with obtenerbration, and the well adopted into grace merit and because i still needed to get points to take those merits i took the aditional clan weakness flaw with the lasombra flaw to stay on brand

so what we had was a tremere with obtenerbration who most people didn't even know was a tremere and i also got abyss mysticism thrown in by my st despite not even asking for it

the character however was a pain to play because i couldn't handel spying on the lasombra for the tremere, spying on the city for the lasombra while playing the main story with the coterie which was about the giovanni taking over venice

for some reason i don't quite get however the rest of my group really really likes the character and she has made cameos as a npc in other chronicles, one of which i wasn't even a player in';

'To the fuckers who play mage, how do you use the Technocracy?';

'>>92573768
>that one loresheet in v5 that basicly allowed you to play tremere salubri fusion?
Wait, what?';

'>>92573850';

'>>92573850
It's from Book of Nod Apocrypha. It isn't a good loresheet because it's a Renegade book.';

'>>92573808
You can play mage? I thought it was just to circle jerk?';

'>>92573921
He used a sexy Kano image. He wants to jerk off.';

'>>92573921
I know right? anyway. I am looking at how to play a technocrat using the translation guide and how that has gone for other people.';

'>>92573958
I already did before posting.';

'>>92573892
Dam... thats kinda shit.';

'>>92574027
Welcome to renegade publishing and the current state of v5, may i take your jacket? Because this is gonna be the gold standard (if they even do loresheets) at least till vtmb2 comes out';

'>>92573892
The idea is ok but the execution is baffling. That 3 dot seemingly comes out of nowhere and as an ST that 1 dot ability would get very annoying, very quickly.
Also, why the hell does knowing about Saulot let you resist Oblivion powers? Lasombra and Capadocius have nothing to do with either the Tremere or the Salubri.';

'>>92574078
Because Baali and they are saying Oblivion would be their in-Clan Discipline.';

'>>92574015
Congratulations, you have a nice taste.';

'>>92574073
>should we let opp write supplements?
>nah, renegade's 10% cheaper';

'>>92574111
OPP used crowdfunding, so I think they were cheaper.';

'>>92574087
Oh I hate that. Oblivion is already watered down and lacks the degredation of Necromancy OR the real cosmic horror of Obtenebration, trying to force Daimonion into that as well turns an already kind of bland spooky darkness power into "this is where we toss all the "evil" powers we don't know what to do with."
>>92574015
Would';

'Lmao our weekend sessions ended with the local baron being voted into being the toreador primogen and literally saying that being anarch is just a phase';

'>>92574111
>>92574123
Yeah it’s not that they are cheaper or not it’s that onyx path does not print physical copies';

'>>92573451
More like Marcos Sloppa edition.';

'>>92574134
>literally saying that being anarch is just a phase
Toreafag is not wrong.';

'>>92574073
The third dot is neat but the wording just begs to get slapped with a very strait forward, surface level answer. The first dot seems like a whole lot of nothing and the fifth is just suicide.';

'>>92574134
Tell us more about it.';

'>>92574213
If I don’t forget (drunk and high right now) i do in like 6-7 hours';

'>>92573808
They are 'them.' They are 'they.' They are the Men in Black.';

'>>92574315
I get that, but how do I make that premise interesting? because for the most part, i feel like the techies would end up going the Boing route.';

'Assume you could make a donut steel vampire for vtm, how would you do it?

Rules:
1) No generation older than 8th
2) Any sect you want
3) Any clan you want
4) Any 3 disciplines you want (v5 or v20), but at least 1 of them must be one of the core 3 disciplines of your clan, also if it's a multiple path discipline, like thaumaturgy, pick just one path for each discipline (though can get two paths for two disciplines).
5) Optional, backstory reasons for your oc dunut steel being such a hybrid';

'>>92574134
To quote Villon (channeling Clemenceau):
>The neonate that hasn't been an anarch is an imbecile. The ancilla that remains one is another.
Of course, people from the establishment are won't to say stuff like that. Regardless of truth it makes them look good.';

'>>92574147
They do, at least main books. I have my OPP copies of CbN and CotB. But yeah, all the side books are either pdf or print-on-demand via DTRPG.';

'>>92574543
>Assume you could make a donut steel vampire for vtm, how would you do it?
I would probably just play around with the obscure lines no one remembers. like those snakes who stole magic from the hermetics.';

'>>92574522
Uhhuh. Except they abduct your friends and hollow them out with cybernetics to do the hit. Don't go public.';

'>>92574550
Yeah that sounds like the kind of pseud shit I'd expect from the guy who lets independent ghouls run around his domain freely and who can't get rid of the Sabbat.';

'>>92574634
I know that type of shit is a staple of shadow government bullshit but like most jobs it is better to keep it simple and set their house on fire or poison their water supply.
But given what mages can do hostile hostages are a pretty neat idea.';

'>>92574543
I have this character sitting in a bench since the infernalism game my friends planned fell into void

Cappadocian baali apostle with auspex necromancy, daimion and dark thaum who turned to the baali to escape the giovanni purge';

'The plot this flick is what I imagine a high-level Correspondence Nephandus would do for for kicks and giggles in his spare time.
In fight, it might be a good idea to talk to my GM about running a scene or two In This House';

'>>92574808
Wasn't the movie about what is it like to be in a coma or something like that?';

'Have they canonized A.I images as weavershit already?';

'>>92574894
That's a fucking basedjak';

'>>92574907
wut';

'>>92574907
kek';

'>>92574712
>the guy who lets independent ghouls run around his domain freely
Don't remember that one. Care to remind?
>who can't get rid of the Sabbat.
The Sabbat has (had?) an Embassy in Paris. For most of Villon's reign, it wasn't seen (or at least presented) as a problem to be dealt with, funnily enough.
One might say hubris at its finest... or was it?

That said, I agree, "Anarch is just a phase" is in and off itself a rather shallow sentiment. I love how Brel's mocking it in "Les Bourgeois".

>>.92574543
Always bothered me all the knowledge Setites are supposed to have that isn't allowed to travel outside the strongholds of the clan.
One has to assume the existence of "unliving clan treasures", members that are old, powerful but basically glorified prisonners of the clan, who possess tremendous out of clan and clan-specific knowledge in thaumaturgy and necromancy among others, and whose existence is justified by their capacity to teach, so that the clan may trade.
Always wanted to make a "liaison" character - one that has to go outside to bring/trade the goods and as such needs to know just enough to be able to make the trades, but no so much yet that he has to be kept in check in a very nice freely offered stronghold haven (not yet at least).';

'>>92573451
I'm planning on making a Salubri Watcher/Wu Zao. Obsessed with learning all the different Blood Sorceries, plus stuff from the Baali, thinking that if he can learn everything Saulot taught his different clans he might understand Golconda. Disguised himself as a Tremere. Focused on being a bit of a new age cult leader to grow power in mortal circles & cover his tracks. Uses Vissitude to put on a new face for each of his roles.

So far I'm thinking Scent of the Other, and Hidden Diablire for merits, probably some other stuff. Dark Secret for his current disguise. A lot of points in various Sorceries.';

'>>92574979
It's just that people don't give a shit about the snakes, not even the writers.';

'>>92575036
So the guy is just doing the job his ancestors had.';

'>>92574979
>The Sabbat has (had?) an Embassy in Paris
They had 19th and 20th Arrondissement for them as their territory in the city.';

'>>92575041
Thankfully we're here to make things better and worse.
Talking of that, V5 with its Ministry (well it's global, but the Ministry formulates and advocates it, so they make for an easy target) of elders talking through their blood could open some interesting power-gamer venues. Suddenly old "forgotten" powers are popping up in young clan members that aren't being taught by a tutor, and it becomes a problem to be dealt with by those that want the knowledge to remain strictly esoteric.
Let's say it's asubconscious vengeance from the unliving clan treasure...';

'>>92575071
What do you mean?';

'>>92574543
>8th generation, childe from one of Madame Guil children so my character can be Volgirre
>camarilla
>toreador volgirre
>celerity, auspex, vicissitude
I'm a simple man.';

'>>92575107
The Wu Zao were made to steal powers so Saulot could learn from those he trusted, his descendants.';

'>>92575074
I don't remember that from the old France book, nor from its apocrypha Paris Casus Belli supplement.
I might be a bit outdated. Wasn't true as far as V20's release as far as I know, or self-contradicting material otherwise (which is always good as far as I'm concerned).
While talking we're on the subject, there's a Storyteller's Vault supplement about Paris titled Des Cendres et du Sang - "Ashes and Blood" - that deals with a supernatural discipline-giving drug. The anon(s?) that wanted to make a campaign about that in a previous thread might be interested.';

'>>92574979
Pic related is from the Wiki page on VTM Paris, that's my source on the independent ghouls running around as blood mercs.

But letting both Anarchs and Sabbat have an actual territorial hold on your Domain as a European Prince is a massive L, plus according to Victorian Age Vampire, Villon was maybe fucking Vykos and possibly not even realizing it.

Villon's just one of those canon characters that annoys me, he's let every single possible threat into his city and somehow hasn't been deposed/destroyed yet. He strikes me as a massive incompetent. Plus there's that weird French-only book that has him as Prince of the whole damn country for some reason. I don't like him.';

'>>92575209
and of course I forgot the pic, duh.';

'>>92575148
Ah yes, that's what it's all about after all.';

'Bring back the Kuei-Jin!!!
Do not stand for cultural erasure!!!';

'>>92575209
>>92575216
Another hater, seething at a Toreador thriving.';

'>>92575209
Funnily enough, one reason I kinda like the character, when I do is the apparent incompetence.
I don't know, there's something that tickles me about a character that is either so competent he manages to look like a fop and still pull the work, or who's the pawn of /things/ so powerful he remains in power in spite of his incredible incompetence, with no one being able to say for certain which he happens to be.
To each their own.

>>92575074
So yeah contradicting material - World of Darkness first edition vs the France book.
Nice. I like it better when knowledge isn't too secure.
Thanks for taking the time.';

'>>92575294
Honestly, I really like the Toreador, just Villon strikes me as a character who never displays any competence but has all this power.

Helene is probably in my top 5 favorite Methuselah, Galbraith turning into an infernalist over her abandonment issues is a great concept, and despite my general dislike of the Anarchs I find Bloodline's Isaac Abrams to be one of my favorite characters from the game. Shows us a good example of a politically savvy Artiste, and adds some actual nuance to the Anarchs as a faction.';

'>DM won't give me the sword of Nul for no apparent reason
It's so over....';

'>>92575277
It is weird to me that all vampires are cursed by the Abrahamic god, even ones where he is unknown.';

'>>92575357
Or you know, the Abrahamic thing is just cultural appropriation of the vampires of the time that endured through the centuries.
Tha Cainite heresies of their time, if you will.';

'>>92575311
>To each their own.

I always appreciate that kind of sentiment. We don't all have to like the same thing.';

'>>92575355
Isn't that the one with the demon in it? There's gotta be better magic swords for you to go after.';

'>>92575311
Your welcome, anon. I myself ST in France and I take material from many places (France by Night, World of Darkness, DAV20 France by Night, and many other WoD books from other splats) and mix them together to create my own France.';

'>>92575357
What's even weirder is that Vamp cosmology is Abrahamic, just like the Demon one, while the Mage and Woof ones are Triadic (with the Wraith one being more agnostic) and yet they are all supposed to take place in the same universe.
You even have internalist and necromantic vampires drawing power from Oblivion, demons/Earthbound and the Wyrm at the same time!';

'>>92575357
It’s not that all vampires were cursed by an Abrahamic God per se. More like Caine was, and since vampirism spread through him, all were cursed.

>>92575456
>yet they are all supposed to take place in the same universe
Reality is malleable. It really is the “chicken or egg” situation';

'>>92575456
Yeah, oWoD cosmology doesn't make much sense, you're best off either avoiding all cross-splat, or picking your list of favorites and making up your own justification for how they interact.';

'>>92575403
A demon possessed sword sounds badass though!';

'>>92575509
It does, until the demon possesses you.';

'>>92575138
>volgirre
Think what you will about V5's combination disciplines: they make bloodlines an even bigger conundrum.
Auspex, Celerity... proteominate.';

'Interesting that VtM 1E said most city leaders are Toreador not Ventrue and Prince is just one title among many.
Chicago By Night really defined everything even for WW.';

'>>92575355
Just ask a warlock for a Burning Blade';

'>>92575563
Yes. Chicago by Night was so popular when it was released that everything needed to be made the same after that.';

'>>92575456
>>92575489
>>92575507
It's complicated, alright?';

'>>92575563
>Chicago By Night really defined everything even for WW.
Been my pet theory for a while. Funnily enough, having lived through it, I always knew CbN had a big impact, but it did not strike me /just how much/ this was true - how much it redefined the V1 core and cemente our vision of the game - until I came back to the first edition years later, sometime between Revised and Requiem.';

'>>92575525
It comes with a Red Lister guaranteed to come find you, fix it with the bounty from the Tremere.';

'According to the Bloodlines book Gargoyles can be subjected to the enchant talisman ritual & then they can become the object focus for other rituals. Does this include Wards cause that would be a baller way to wreck shit';

'What's the longest you could reasonably expect to live as a hunter?';

'>>92575378
Unlikely. Generation has a universal origin since otherwise some Clans would have significantly lower Generation on average than others. Even if they don't talk about it, there are vampires still around today who were Embraced by people who knew Caine, and their childer are still around too, and yet there isn't provided any credible alternative to their origin. There should be enough cultural osmosis that if there was an alternate answer, people would be aware of it.

>>92575489
>It’s not that all vampires were cursed by an Abrahamic God per se. More like Caine was, and since vampirism spread through him, all were cursed.
True.
>Reality is malleable. It really is the “chicken or egg” situation
Reality isn't that malleable, otherwise the Triat wouldn't even exist.';

'>>92576154
If you're the right combination of smart, skilled, and lucky, you could actually make it to old age.

The trick is not biting off more than you can chew, and picking your battles. If you're an "all monsters must die" zealot trying to reveal the supernatural to everyone you meet, you'll be getting taken out by someone you just can't beat. But if you pick your targets well, go after one threat at a time, and don't leave much evidence, you could make it to old age as a Hunter.';

'Fortitude power idea: Once per day, spend 1 blood point, roll your Fort and heal the number of successes rolled of non-aggravated damage levels. Maybe let the damage levels come back after the scene ends.';

'>>92575357
Same. I'd like it better if other places had it tied to different spiritual beliefs, similar to how the Kuei-jin are pretty tied to Buddhism. Like Sub-Saharan African vampires should be connected to some Niger-Congo religions instead of Cagne.';

'>>92575357
But God is real so it makes sense to base it on a true religion instead of a fake one';

'>>92576859
>t. Celestial Chorisissy';

'>>92573451
Question: Do people play Vampire 5e?

I played 2nd E revised, back then and just read some of the changes 5e does and it's a complete diferent game.

So, is it poplar or not?';

'>>92576923
Nope. I've never seen anyone play it. Most people I know either play their older edition stuff, or v20 if they are after something fresher';

'>>92576923
By people do you mean, people here or in general?
In general v5 is the most popular variant since it's the newest and most accessible to people.
Here a lot of anons prefer 20';

'>>92576936
I see
back then Vampire was one of 'the big 3' of roleplaying
(D&D, Cthulhu, VTM)

but I varely see post of VTM here, and when there is one it's 2e';

'>>92576923
I've never known anyone who plays V5. I'm sure there's people out there that do but I've never directly talked to someone who does.

As for if it's "popular", nobody knows. Anyone can say "everyone's playing it" or "nobody plays it" and sales numbers aren't a great indicator of how many people play a game, especially when piracy is so big in the TTRPG space and all the pre-V5 stuff is very old, some of it older than we have recorded sales numbers in the first place.';

'>>92576534
The Congo region has interesting ties to Christianity, actually. The kingdom of Kongo's royal family converted to Catholicism in the 16th century.';

'>>92575357
If there are vampires who do not originate from Caine, it defies WOD's Abrahamic foundations and koi jin don't exist anymore thanks to the brave people in Paradox Interactive such as Outstar and Muammar.

The Shitites are liars like their founders and the pajeetpires are delusional. If you don't play wod with RAW lore, fuck off to COFD which is bland and worthless.

I'm very glad that this community supports Noddism.';

'>>92576923
I'm waiting until they finally get Mage done, the one thing my group is interested in is running mixed splat without wanting to rip our eyes out. Outside of that, we've looked at it and don't particularly hate it - it just can't compete with the completeness of all the fuckin V20 books we already have.';

'>>92576154
>you could
About 5 minutes.';

'>>92576923
i talked to people playing it to try it out but nobody i talked to liked it

but that's me working as a application developer and chatting with co workers, i have no idea how it's like when you go to a hobby store or something because i have stable group';

'Tristin is a rogue Saubri in hiding, Embraced by one of the Seven & intended to take his Sire's place he instead turned his back on their self destructive teachings. He tried to pass himself off as a catiff for a while & was taken in by a tzimisce in need of a shovelhead. After a while he left & found a new place to hole up, as the Seven started tracking him down In passing made acquaintance with a Tremere who was traveling to a new city to replace his sire after his sire died. Thinking that the Seven would not think to search for him amongst the Pyramid, he diablirized the Tremere & took his likeness, also, perhaps the blood of the slain resonated within him, because he seems to have a bit of "Tremere" about him & easier time learning Tremere Thaumaturgy. The vampire he slain had not been known to the kindred in the new city, so he slipped right in & worked hard on making himself a place there.
He has earned himself the loyalty of a Gargoyle retainer of which he has made his confidant. He also has started a small herd/cult which he oversees

Disciplines
>Thaumaturgy 2
>Obeah 1
>Vissitude 1
Background
>Generation 5
>Herd 3
>Retainer 1
>Reasources 1
Merits
>Scent of the Other 1
>Enchanting Voice 2
>Hidden Diablerie 3
>Additional Discipline 4
Flaws
>The Eighth 6
>Dark Secret 1';

'>>92576923
>Do people play Vampire 5e?
Yeah, despite the parts we hate about it, the game still playable and that was enough to develop its own community that doesn't play earlier editions for various reasons, one of them being that WOD's rules are just crap.
>>92577061
kek';

'>>92576404
Why would Fortitude let you heal? Wouldn't that be a Valeren (Healer) or Obeah power?';

'>>92576172
>Unlikely. Generation has a universal origin since otherwise some Clans would have significantly lower Generation on average than others.
There's enough data casting aspertion on "generation" as advertized by the abrahamanic mythos - from the senselessness of only 13gen since the First City given the general pace of reproduction of vampires to the Guruhi seemingly being the root line for Nosferatu yet having higher generation - to look at it as something else altogether, if so desired.';

'>>92576923
I do, along other editions and homebrew.
I was personally surprised to learn that the game had a much stronger presence locally than I expected.';

'>>92577001
>It's Muammar again
>A muslim is erasing non-abrahamic societies from the world of darkness and seems oddly obsessed with Nazis
Where have I seen this before? Pic unrelated ofc.

>>92576923
>do people play 5e?
Unfortunately, yes. Although there are some good groups for it, I got back into WoD thanks to a V5 actual play (Silence of Shadows) but I'm running V20 with little bits of V5, Revised, and Orpheus stolen and sprinkled in whenever I think they work better.

>>92577054
M5 and Wr5 are two splats I am terrified about. Part of what made Mage so beloved was the change in how they portrayed the Technocracy and with Paradox's handling of all antagonist factions being "you can't play this anymore" I worry we'll never get to play with our Void Engineer Space Marines again.
Wraith 5e worries me for different reasons. As jank as that game could be, the writing for it always gave me the impression that the writers really cared about it and loved it. White Wolf managed to write a really, really good book about the Holocaust of all things and treated the subject matter with a care and grace that I don't think we ever really saw with any other splat. Paradox playing around with the underworld makes me terrified we'll either get the most watered down take possible, OR it'll go full "cult of fenris are all werewolf nazis now" and write something so braindead that it sinks the brand again for decades.';

'>>92576957
I think that in comparison to a lot of other franchises, VTM has had a harder time staying relevant. In part I think that's because honest to God the last mainstream video game that garnered any sort of attention came out 20 years ago.
And you can say what you want about video games, but the video games help make the series a lot more relevant. There are now countless people running D&D sessions because they found out about D&D through baldur's Gate 3.
Warhammer 40K, Cthulhu, d&d and even pathfinder have had games and other forms of media to help renew interest in the series. VtM has had a few offshoots that have mainly been short visual novels that get little to no attention from the mainstream and a kinda shitty RPG that came out a bit ago.
Unfortunately with bloodlines 2 looking like dishonored 3 and not bloodlines 2, it's probably not gonna get relevant again';

'First attempt at creating a Discipline for Calnbook: Caitiff, the Nebulation Discipline from VtM Bloodlines expanded out to five dots. I have never done anything remotely like this before so I have no idea whether or not it's balanced.

- First dot is basically just a boost to stealth and a limited ability to move through narrow spaces.
- Second dot is more or less literally Fog Cloud from D&D
- Third dot allows a vampire to immobilize and silence a target and, if they need to breathe, choke them. It lasts for only 1 turn.
- Fourth dot is verbatim copied from Mist Form (Protean 5). Couldn't think of anything to change and it felt weird not to have the ability to actually assume a misty form in this Discipline. I am wide open to suggestions here.
- Fifth dot allows the user to summon a fog cloud that can envelop a whole city, which is in-line with what some of the fifth ranks in Koldunic Sorcery can do, except those usually allow for inflicting large amounts of damage via earthquakes or lightning storms; this just blocks vision, lets the vampire walk/run (but not attack) faster, and slightly reduces damage from fire and sunlight to all vampires (not just the user) in the area.

Thoughts? Wide open to suggestions, especially for the 4-dot power.';

'>>92575763
Yes, it can include Wards if you desire so.

>>92576923
Yes, people play, myself included. Some anons here play as well, but it's a minority. Like many other anons said, people play because it's the newest edition available and some fell for the corporate marketing Paradox did on how they would "do better" this time and wouldn't do any controversy. They didn't kepp their word, but majority of V5 fans don't care for that and go silent when people point out the company's hypocrisy/lack of honesty at their faces.

>>92577553
I thought they didn't play older editions because they were brainwashed to believe that "old things = bad and racist". I know people like to mock Storyteller system, but it isn't nearly as bad as people like to claim it is.
I played WoD5 a lot and rules are badly written.

>>92578075
>V5 actual play (Silence of Shadows)
Is this one good? Care to tell me about the premise (and each character's clans), please?
And during the reigns of Justin Achilli, he said on his twitter Technocracy would follow same path of Sabbat on the matters of not being playable anymore. Probably Paradox will follow this trend.
I know they were already sketching some stuff related to Wraith, but when it's gonna be released is unknown.

>>92579201
You shouldn't put a 5th level power into a 4th level power.
For 5th level, I would go for a mental effect. Instead of cloud the physical space, the character now cloud the minds of others.';

'>>92579201
Will you do Chiropteran and Mentalism too? I wanna be big weird monster bat.';

'>>92579201
That 5th dot power is an elder power, not an ancillae one. The reason Koldunism can do things like that is because the vampire is tied to the land.
Because Protean can already allow a vampire to turn into mist, you should have something different.';

'>>92579268
>thought they didn't play older editions because they were brainwashed to believe that "old things = bad and racist".
There is some of that. Most of the V5 player base looks at the KJ and Liabon the same way the V20 one looks at the Gypsy book. It wasn't something made out of malice but it still sounds bad.
In terms of rules it's just that other versions of the game have done some stuff better like CofD combat styles or V5 rules for Influence.
V5 has a lot of problems but to those who learn that as their intro to the storytellers system they become a lot easier to ignore.';

'>>92579201
Besides the willpower cost in the second power, making it too expensive to use in most scenarios, it looks fine.
In terms of lore, maybe add a rumours of a previous version of the power being centered around smog. That would help explain the choking aspect of the power while hinting at deeper lore.';

'>>92579268
> You shouldn't put a 5th level power into a 4th level power.
>For 5th level, I would go for a mental effect. Instead of cloud the physical space, the character now cloud the minds of others.
I originally had exactly that - you activate Fog Cloud but spend a blood point (along with the willpower point) to make it bewildering as well as occluding. However it seemed strange to have a Discipline that hitherto had been focused on actual, physical fog to suddenly veer into mental effects.

I suppose I could knock out vaporous form and bring back the bewildering fog for the 4th level power, but…

>>92579304
> That 5th dot power is an elder power, not an ancillae one. The reason Koldunism can do things like that is because the vampire is tied to the land.
…I get what you’re saying, though again note that while Nebulatiom 5 has the *scale* of a 5 dot Koldunic path, it has nowhere near the actual power. Still I’m glad to replace it with something else, but I’d need some suggestions if I’m also replacing Nebulation 4 with a bewildering fog mental effect.

>>92579277
Maybe. At the moment I’m committed to Nightmare from VtR and Kineticism from Outcasts, but I do kind of like the idea of having a bat-focused Discipline, though the trick will be keeping it distinct from Animalism and Protean.';

'>>92579635
>willpower expense
Blood instead? I suppose it is easier to get back.';

'>>92579647
Yup, that's enough.';

'>>92579277
>Will you do Chiropteran and Mentalism too?
Nta but wouldn't those just be renamed version of, VtR Protean/Abombuwe and Movement of the Mind?';

'>>92579637
>At the moment I’m committed to Nightmare from VtR
We already have a converted version of Nightmare to VTM.
It's in the translation guide.';

'>>92579797
That is in fact the version I was planning on putting in. Though I suppose a strong argument can be made that because it already exists it doesn’t need to be in Clamdbook: Caitiff.

And I do like the idea of a bat-focused Discipline for Chiropterism…the main problem I have is, as was pointed out, it’d be difficult to keep it truly distinct from Animalism/Protean. And Mentalism from Bloodlines is pretty much 1:1 just the Movement of the Mind. Nebulation had some wide-open design space for effects related to mist and fog, which aren’t otherwise covered by existing Disciplines other than Mist Form at Protean 5.';

'>>92577778
Well, the idea is more so you power through an ordeal moreso than healing, how bout instead it can let you a number of successes without taking non-aggravated damage.';

'Reminder that a Fate mage is entirely capable of locating their perfect True Fae lover and becoming their perfect royal court wizard. Because Fate makes the Wyrd its bitch, something the True Fae cannot do. Their wizard can freely poke at the fineries of the Wyrd.

There is nothing more terrifying.';

'>>92574808
>aaaah is that some weird lights and angles for 2 hours? Im going insaaaaaaneeeeeee
I feel like that movie was a 10 minute short film where they accidentally left the camera on far longer than they expected, I was bored out of my ass because
>tee hee child thing except ScAAaaArY
stopped being fun 20 years ago';

'>>92580010
Hedgefag is gone. You can stop baiting.';

'Finally persuaded my group to play something that isn’t fucking 5e dnd and now they’ve asked me if I’d like to run a VTM game because a couple of them liked Bloodlines. Trouble is, I’ve never played it at an actual table and never even run any game at all that wasn’t a drunk one-shot at 2am. Please recommend a module that’s friendly to five new people, one of whom is the storyteller? Was thinking one of the short modules from 1e Chicago by Night, but worried that it’s dated and doesn’t have enough fighting for the two players who like combat and comedy';

'>>92577541
Don’t the Tremere regularly check on each other, have dozens of ways of verifying identity through blood sorcery and Auspex, and keep an active hunt for any Salubri? It’s a really audacious plan, and I’d personally be really interested in following it, but it’s hard to imagine it working well for long';

'>>92575563
>>92575579
>>92575616
You guys have played CbN? Might you have any advice on running it?';

'>>92580280
Play alien hunger. It's old as fuck but it is a good introduction module.';

'>>92580192
>Hedgefag is gone
Proof?';

'>>92580280
I've heard good things about Alien Hunger (despite disliking the idea of both curing vampirism and an artificial embrace in a bottle), and my Blood Nativity game went great. I've also heard that surprisingly for pre-writtens the first Chicago chronicles (baptism by fire, ashes to ashes, v20 dust to dust) still hold up as some of the best pre-writtens.

I'm actually surprised I don't hear much praise for pre-writtens besides those, the giovanni chronicles, and the transylvania chronicles.';

'>>92580349
Just run however you like. It's a setting book that gives you a base for your game. You don't need to fit every plot hook in it nor need to tell your players which plot hook is there or not if they're aren't poking at it.';

'>>92580599
Giovanni chronicles are something I’d be highly keen to do, especially because Cappadocius is fascinating as a contemplative and almost compassionate person, despite his awful ideas. Was his plan really to [[SPOILER]] diablerize God [[r/spoiler]]? If so, how did he not consider the obvious fundamental flaws, such as [[SPOILER]] having no guarantee of getting to Heaven, God being omniscient and omnipotent, and his soul not having fangs[[r/spoiler]]?';

'>>92580693
Shit I fucked up sorry mods';

'Where do I find the rules for multiple limbs?';

'>>92580730
Relax.';

'>>92580759
Having six armpits means you spend 6x as much on deodorant';

'>>92580316
As long as he doesn't give them a reason to look he should be fine. Yes the Tremere do have ways to confirm Clan & such, but (for the most part) they need a reason to suspect him first & he'd need to be careful when joining group rituals. I like the audacity & I would imagine that he would need to go about quickly gain power & prestige to keep ahead of his suspicious peers. I think it'd be fucking great if he could somehow find a way to bloodbond the entire Chantry by spiking the communal cup. Kind of a reverse Tremere, but that would be a huge goal, not his current goal';

'>>92580693
cappadocious was a insane amnesiac due to the trauma of his embrace, who thought that you need to nail yourself to a cross to become christian so needless to say his gasp on christian lore was... lacking

he also thought that the sargon fragments would hold all the answers he needs including the ritual of annointing which grants "godlike power" and he might also have been played by lilith


so step one gather your pre embrace writings, step two translate it with the lilith fragment's help, step three get godlike powers with the ritual, step four usurp god's powers somehow, step four totally give everyone all the knowledge and salvation';

'>>92576957
>>92578896
It doesn't help that the White Wolf merger and the never-released MMO was basically spectacular brand suicide. It's kinda depressing, nothing else really stepped in to take its place - the Onyx Path stuff sure tried, but was never big enough to find the foothold, and arguably diluted the brand more when it was all also called WoD - and now this whole TTRPG ecosystem has risen up that's very oriented around the style of game and style of play emblematic of D&D, so WoD is a hard sell. (made worse by the fact that WoD has always been kinda mediocre at the more narrative styles of play it tries to bill itself as)';

'>>92581014
>made worse by the fact that WoD has always been kinda mediocre at the more narrative styles of play it tries to bill itself as

I.e., Humanity is supposed to represent a slow decline into monstrousness and profanity; instead of gives a mechanical point at which a player can say “but it’s what my character would do!” when he pumps Celerity and Potence and one-shots the Prince.';

'I run an erotic game on discord, one of the things I do the 'Jizculum' where you become blood bonded to a vampire after drinking there bloody Jizz. Normally my PC's will have to roll opposing strength checks in order to forced there undead cock into another vampires mouth and Jizzing in it. Once a vampire has swallowed three bloody loads then they are bonded to there sexual assailant';

'>opposing strength checks in order to forced there undead cock into another vampires mouth
Does that contested roll include the possibility of countering by the receiver being able to bite down and chew off/diablerize the dick? Also, I demand to know the clans of players involved in this. Do Tzimisce/Tremere get to rainbow dash cum jar their prisoners in your game?';

'>>92580551
When was the last time you saw obe of his posts?';

'>>92579268
>Is this one good? Care to tell me about the premise (and each character's clans), please?
Modified Chicago By Night set in a power vacuum after Loden vanished and all the power players trying to move into the empty throne.
Player clans. Well, I'll try not to spoil the twist but someone is pretending to be something they aren't. The 4 players are: Malkavian and Toreador who are brother and sister embraced by different sires, Nosferatu former boxer, and a Gangrel street kid.';

'>>92581283
meant for >>92581233';

'>>92581283
>Does that contested roll include the possibility of countering by the receiver being able to bite down and chew off/diablerize the dick?

Yes, but when biting the dicks of vampires with fortitude the diff for the biter goes to up 8 instead of staying at 6

>Also, I demand to know the clans of players involved in this. Do Tzimisce/Tremere get to rainbow dash cum jar their prisoners in your game?

all clans and bloodlines are available. So far no PC's have asked to keep there blood bound thralls in cumjars but I would allow it if the PC forced into the cumjar was kool with it.';

'>>92573451
Oooh, I'll tell this one. It's not mine, but a LARP forum had this posted some time ago.

Requiem LARP, new player comes into build a Gangrel. Darkfyre Phoenix, on a quest for vengeance against the VII for killing his beloved Daeva girlfriend Blaze Phoenix. The ST apparently talked him off the ledge and, though he wouldn't ever use a non-edgelord name, they did talk him into a 'normalish' character concept of a wandering monk type hunting for the killers and interacting with Kindred society to do so. Guy apparently came to three sessions; first and second as character ,third with girlfriend in tow and they wanted to do Weird Creepy Shit with her rescue. They were denied, and never came back. To make matters funnier, that was the dude's legal name, as he'd had it changed.';

'>>92574606
He means they don't do mass prints for store distribution. Renegade does, which is why they have the main license at this time, after Modiphius screwed themselves out of it. PDX wants the book in stores, Onyx Path can't do that regularly or reliably.';

'>>92579201
I am genuinely disappointed we never got a Caitiff "clanbook." Always thought they were underutilized as a concept.';

'>>92575456
Well, yeah, because they weren't written to be one world/cosmology together.';

'>>92577778
Elder Fortitude allows you to heal agg before V5, so it's not unprecedented.';

'>>92581233
I had a Daeva once Ghoul someone by nutting in them because we were under the impression that all bodily fluids Vampires excreted were a byproduct of their vitae, and it felt appropriate.';

'What do true fae look like without their titles? They wear their titles like clothes… what do they look like naked?';

'>>92581412
you did good. It even says in the Rulebook that the most important thing is to have fun. which means moding your rules to suit your game';

'>>92581358
>fortitude increases the difficulty
Fair enough, though I'd treat it as a normal bite attack with lower difficulty to hit since the appendage is right in your face, but the defender needing to soak normally to account for higher fortitude levels.
>I would allow it if the PC forced into the cumjar was kool with it.
You're alright, ST. But I meant - what clans are your players ACTUALLY using for their PCs? Also, if any of your players are into fur I'd see it as a prime chance to bust out the werewolf lore and knotting. Yours might also be the one game where that tzimisce vagina dentata merit could actually be a reasonable and jusitifable option to take.
>>92581417
I know literally nothing about either Changeling, but I imagine like the Deadlights in IT.';

'>>92581443
> tzimisce vagina dentata merit
what?

as for what clans my players are using they are the following
>city gangrel
>lasombra
>ventrue antitribu
>brujah antitribu

I can drop my discord if your into games like this';

'>>92575209
Maybe he just likes the extra spice that having Sabbat running around gives you? like I imagine ruling over a perfect and safe city is suuuuuper boring like where is the action? the murder plots? the constant risk of getting jumped by 20 shovelheads everytime you go for a walk?';

'>>92581502
vitae is stored in the tits';

'>>92581417
The Goblin King, which looks like David Bowie, taking off his title would just regress down I to a normal goblin warts & all. Imagine any & every iteration of a character who had a Mantle of Power, who lost it & usually comically has to suffer the indignity of being some lesser form.';

'>>92581502
NTA but I once had a fellow player who rolled up a Gangrel with the Weakness being a giant horse cock, this was for a regular game btw not some circlejerk ERP. What did your gangrel choose?';

'>>92581511
Fuck yea!';

'Why the fuck is Keys to the Library a Merit & not a Background?';

'I want to do a chronicle for Werewolf forsaken and hunter the vigil, where it takes place in the Wild West. I accept suggestions for material and ideas.';

'>>92581536
OMFG! what a small board this is! you've told me this in previous /wod/ threads! we are a tiny community';

'>>92581549
I dont remember ever sharing it before but i probably have, its kinda unique & i doubt there are two people in the world that spontanenously chose horsecock. This board is probably the same 50 or so anons occasionally checking in & out, probably 25 at a time any given week. Feels bad man.';

'Anyone know some clever ways to spice up a vampire cult/herd? I don't want to do the vague pagen blood cultists in robes, Christianty subversion, or Manson 2.0.';

'>>92581588
Hard to tell anymore with the poster count removed. Half the posts in the thread could just be samefagging.';

'>>92581671
People can use phones, tablets, laptops, & desktops to samefag so I never saw that as too accurate to begin with. Hell, if I drive to far on mobile it can bump it';

'>>92581502
Nevermind, I was thinking of pic related from Freak Legion, which is actually for Fomori, I must have gotten them mixed up since there was some guy who liked to spam it a few months back. Though they do have the back and page 38 of Tzim clanbook revised. Since there's no tzim in your players' coterie that means it could work to trick your players into getting a mouthful before they get invited to H.R. Giger's magical realm funland. Assuming that's the kind of game you all want, of course.
>>92581536
Did that weakness ever come into play? How did that go';

'>>92581543
Have you read WtA Wild West books?';

'>>92581543
Isn't there an entire subset of woof books set in the wild west in the mega? Not sure if you mean anything more specific than that and plagiarizing the dollars trilogy.';

'>>92581611
I'm planning on running a cult myself in a dark ages soon and have seen some good things in Ashen Cults and the Cainite Heresy books, though I've yet to actually construct mine. Still need to justify the hot nun black magdalene assassin ghouls, especially since skintight latex hasn't been invented in the 11th century.';

'>>92581014
Yeah, no games and no real books to get you hooked into the series I think kind of are detrimental to its popularity. Like if you think about it warhammer 40K has had a lot of stories about it, there are a ton of books about it there are a few books for VtM but most largely seem to be about stuff that you wouldn't be interested in unless you were already familiar with the setting. It really needs a good crpg to tie into the franchise at this point and help promote v5 but instead we're getting dishonored mixed with vampyr';

'>>92581791
Latex might not be invented but you can always go with leather.';

'>>92581695
Before the removal of the poster count we rarely broke 60 IPs. And I know I contribute to two because I alternate between desktop and phone throughout the day.

I just don't like it being gone, because even if there's ways around it, it was a metric you could actually look at. There's been a lot of similar replies and fairly open shitposts in this thread, so I think the removal of the poster count has been ultimately detrimental and I still have no idea why it was done.';

'>>92581380
They got lumped together with the Thin Bloods. The mechanical stuff is there but they are supposed to be an oddity growing more common.';

'>>92581014
Yeah the CofD change was a moronic move. And now WoD5 further dilutes the IP. I keep hearing on occasion WoD is popular but I don't believe it. Unless I actively search for it, it almost never comes up. And half the time it does is in some sort of nostalgia context, not anything recent.

Also, I've heard some people criticize the slowness of nWoD's releases as a reason its commercial mediocrity, but why the hell don't they give WoD5 shit for it? It's been how long since V5 came out and we've got three splats, two of which have basically fallen off the radar since launch? Hell Mage5 still hasn't even been announced as far as I'm aware, no new splat has. The only releases are the occasional V5 nothing supplement.';

'>>92581519
What would happen if you hugged a pathetic Title-less true fae huddling in the corner for its life?';

'>>92581802
I'd love a game like Disco Elysium style game for VTM. Also I'd like to see the sabbat as more than just mustache twirling villains but that would mean a game preV5 and that isn't likely to happen';

'>>92581735 .>>92581761
I got them, but I never tried to adapt apocalypse/wod material to forsaken/CoD';

'>>92581791
Go with wet muslin instead?';

'>>92581417
They are their Titles, so without a Title they can't exist. If they currently have no Title then their true name becomes their Title.

Looks wise that means that they always look like however they decide to manifest, within the confines of their Title(s). If they have none, then they are as dead and destroyed as a Gentry can be. However all their former Titles are still "them" in a way, so if one of the Titles they held at some point in time is abandoned, lost, or otherwise unclaimed, they can return through that.
True Fae aren't human or truly sapient, they are sentient stories with main character syndrome and enough power to justify it.';

'>>92581802
CCP fumbled hard by hoarding the license for the MMO that didn't even get made, the whole IP could have been revitalized if they let other devs go buckwild on the IP.

Paradox theoretically has the better model of how to handle vidya, but in practice it's been a failure. They haven't attracted much talent, and I think it's for two reasons.

One, the WoD IP comes with a lot of baggage and not a lot of benefit. Perverts, weird LARP groups that embodied every negative stereotype about goths in one, and even an actual murder that can be tied to the IP. And of course like anything licensed the IP holder gets a cut. What you get for making WoD game is a bunch of names that oldfags and some terminally online loreheads will enjoy seeing, as well as the feeling of being part of a larger universe. These are good, but the cons far outweigh the pros, especially when you consider that WoD can't really copyright the stuff people enjoy about it besides names. You can't copyright vampires that have a secret society puppeteering things from the shadows. You can't copyright magitech glowies. So if I want to make an urban fantasy game, there's a lot of reason to make my own setting instead. Which isn't helped by

Two, Paradox's terms for making a WoD game are restrictive. If you're an inexperienced indie, get fucked, you have to put it on Itch.Io only, and it must be WoD5. I can't know the terms of the studio level deals, but I'm pretty sure they're also WoD5 only, with Earthblood only getting away with being W20 because of how long ago production started. So you as the developer are stuck with the smallest and least developed version of the setting, that is very polarizing among the fanbase you want to court.

It's just not a good deal for any Dev. I actually wanted to make a Hunter game of my dreams with some friends, but seeing the terms made me reconsider and realize it gains very little as an artistic endeavor and frankly, doesn't even make good business sense.';

'>>92581726
I am very foggy on the details, I was too long ago. He was a pretty composed dude. The first time he lost control, he had a thing with another vampire, a woman who was. His Sire or maybe Primogen & they had a fight. He frenzied & suddenly had a horse cock explode out of his pants.';

'>>92581995
It would try to bum something from you. It's their nature';

'>>92582144
> True Fae aren't human or truly sapient, they are sentient stories with main character syndrome and enough power to justify it.
So kind of how it works in the Fables universe?';

'>>92582215
But they have nothing to bum with';

'>>92581511
>bodysuit under jeans with visible hip, short jacket, and fishnets
MUH';

'>>92582310
They'll suck your dick for some glamour';

'>>92582144
>However all their former Titles are still "them" in a way, so if one of the Titles they held at some point in time is abandoned, lost, or otherwise unclaimed, they can return through that.

This is something I’ve discussed with my table before. Is the True Fae truly their Title? What happens if another Fae steals another Fae’s Title? Is it the same Fae, in a sense?

The schizophrenic nature of how “conscious” or identity-aware a True Fae is can be a maddening topic. I’ve had players who just assumed the Fae aren’t actually conscious beings, just infighting narratives that have a hyper-sophisticated background to support them, in the form of the Wyrd. The Wyrd can inspire itself and make more stories / Titles. They aren’t beings more so than “beings”, or “living” manifest ideas/narratives that have dangerously tangible presences to them.

Reviving a True Fae may just mean having a Fae acquire its Title, or story. But even then, you have cases of Fae fighting each other for their stories, implying the Wyrd may as well be a schizophrenic “mind” of sorts itself, having a mental battle. Not unlike the Supernal or the God-Machine, which aren’t explicit entities either, more so than occult infrastructure.';

'Do you guys allow players to buy merits after character creation as long as it makes sense?';

'>>92582144
Have you read Dresden Files? I assume it works like that';

'>>92582398
The true fae definitely aren’t self aware the same way people are
And if anything, that makes becoming a true far all the more horrific';

'>>92582347
Yukizuri Nocturne';

'>>92581014
Putting in my two cents here, but I think what really hurt World of Darkness in the ‘90s/2000s when compared to D&D and CoC might go back a bit further than you think. Namely…it ended.

I mean on the one hand, good on White Wolf for not only having a metaplot, but actually advancing it and reaching an end-point with Gehenna, Apocalypse, Ascension, And the Rest. It definitely went a long way towards making the oWoD feel like a living, changing world. And having The End Times actually arrive and play out…like imagine some other setting doing that, like 40K but The Emperor actually wakes back up and duplexes Chaos into submission or something. Asmodeus actually wins the Blood War.

But on the other hand, it ended, and then White Wolf made the attempt to replace all their game lines with more than just a new edition - edition changes happen all the time - but brand-new, ground-up rewritten lore that was in some cases radically different from what had come before. It’s pretty easy to see how they’d lose a huge chunk of their consumer base from that, and I don’t really feel like NWoD ever really caught up to where OWoD was at it’s height. I have nothing to back it up but I know that I, for example, thought that say Vampire the Requiem had some pretty neat ideas, but it just didn’t appeal to me the same way that Masquerade did. In fact I think I recall feeling that Requiem was at once doing too much and too little, but that’s a discussion for another time.

Anyway, point is that while everything you’re talking about definitely played a part in World of Darkness falling by the wayside, I think the inciting incident goes back to 2004.';

'>>92582110
>>92581833
Good ideas, thanks. Muslin in particular might be more setting-appropriate even if leather might fit the fetish look better. Unless there are medieval leather clubs being ahead of their time I'm not aware of.
>>92582170
I imagine the sire's reaction must've been awkward both at the moment and in following interactions.';

'>>92582699
As someone who didn't grow up with oWoD, I find that some of the time nWoD does it better, sometimes oWoD does it better.

I think they felt trapped by their own metaplot, and that they needed a hard reset, not just a new edition in order to do all the new ideas they had. Which I think was the wrong choice, but hindsight is 20/20. Making a new edition that was sort of a "soft reboot", with a return to 1e style lack of metaplot could have backfired even harder, or maybe it would have been a good compromise that the old fanbase liked or at least tolerated, while also allowing them to actually change things about the setting they didn't like, and adding their new ideas to the setting without having to destroy everything that came before.

For example, while Masquerade has an undeniable charm to it that even I prefer to Requiem, Masquerade and the whole of oWoD has this problem where there isn't much left a mystery. Every monster has to tie into one splat or another. There are no weird anomalies, only mysteries contained in a splat. What I like a lot about nWoD by comparison is that you can just have more stuff in it. In VTM, you only have Vampires and the region locked Kuei-Jin which were extremely polarizing and mechanically weird. In VTR you have Vampires everywhere, but also a lot of other vampiric undead like Aswang and Jiang-Shi that can interact with Vampires in interesting ways, not just play "fucc u gweilo".

Ultimately, I think the metaplot and looming apocalypse was the original mistake, since it forced them into a corner where they felt like they had to end the setting in order to do anything new.';

'>>92582541
Never heard of that, but i also have nothing to do with eastern germany. But i guess the stasi can be grounds/inspiration for good antagonists

>>92582398
>This is something I’ve discussed with my table before. Is the True Fae truly their Title?
They are all of their titles, but also the "player" behind them as their "PC"
>What happens if another Fae steals another Fae’s Title? Is it the same Fae, in a sense?
Unless the Gentry remakes the Title it simply takes a part of itself and puts it in the freshly claimed Title. Think of it like a different actor playing an established role in a tv show. The character stays the same, some quirks and apearances change. If the Gentry remakes the Title then it's a new "person" or "object"

>The schizophrenic nature of how “conscious” or identity-aware a True Fae is can be a maddening topic. I’ve had players who just assumed the Fae aren’t actually conscious beings, just infighting narratives that have a hyper-sophisticated background to support them, in the form of the Wyrd.
They are, from their perspectice, the only sentient forms of live in existsnce, to them everything else is worth nothing more than a dream. They are concious enough to haggle, bargain, beg, fight, etc., but do so for reasons beyond human understanding or for reasons that seem suicidaly retarded. They just want to be, and to be they need Titles, and in turn the Title determines what the True Fae can and cannot do, allowing them to pass the time, have fun and experience Glamourous existances instead of being all-knowing, all-encompassing and without a way to exist as """"individuals"""".

>Reviving a True Fae may just mean having a Fae acquire its Title, or story. But even then, you have cases of Fae fighting each other for their stories, implying the Wyrd may as well be a schizophrenic “mind” of sorts itself, having a mental battle.
It's a game to them. Get 6 Titles and win, removing those titles from the pool of Titles that exist.';

'>>92582699
For me it's about iconic-ness. Pretty much everyone knows the names of oWoD stuff & the nWoD stuff are just pale imitations of what we know before, but nothing very original to replace it. I can't hardly remember their names half the time';

'>>92582988
Dresden Files is about a Chicago wizard-detective & it's one of the bigger names in the urban fantasy genre';

'>>92582988
Cont.
That's all existance and reality boils down to the Gentry. A game to pass the time, get angry, have fun, enjoy the moment, etc. Like how we play RPGs to do things we otherwise couldn't or play catan / monopoly because we enjoy the anger ensuing from those games. Again, from their point of view, everything that is not Gentry (or an Entitled Changeling) is just as real as a dream is to us.
They are maybe the worst antagonist to fight because they don't realy care about winning or losing, just that they have fun while doing so. And unlike the G-M, elder vampires, etc., nothing realy matters to them as they only care about their Titles, which are very difficult to destroy and only a retard would want to destroy. Like sauron if he could just make another one ring after his defeat.

>>92582398
>Not unlike the Supernal or the God-Machine, which aren’t explicit entities either, more so than occult infrastructure.
I like to think of the True Fae as part of the actual out-of-the-game players that sit on your table and are hideous meta gamers only interested in having a good time. As in, they are actual players in a meta sense with their Titles as PCs.
Unlike the G-M they realy have a clear higher goal and don't even hide it. Get more titles and win. That's it.
To us it might seem like a pointless game as there are infinite possible titles, but the Gentry are also infinite, so them getting an "archievement" just to brag and smugly ascending is very much in character to them.
The better comparison would be the Wyrd, as that is the force most interested in stories being entertaining. Gentry just want to have fun and play their game of immortals';

'>>92583061
Then why did they name it after a city in fucking saxony. A city most famous for beibg bombed to shit as well.
But it makes sense that i hadn't heard of it as i don't realy have the time to read actual books anymore. They should've named it "Chicago files"';

'Do you think vampires could collect disability if they were accepted into society?';

'>>92583138
The author liked the resoluteness of Dresden & named his character, who gets the shit kicked out of him yet keeps going, in its honor';

'My first Rutor's Hand worked perfectly and is walking around. I'm quite happy, guys.';

'>>92583355
I'd applaud but... you know... I made my own Rutor's Hand too.';

'>>92583390
kek
I wonder if dominate works on it...';

'>>92583353
Probably.';

'>>92583436
You know, I've always considered the implications of a homunculus, or whatever those little blood & bits dudes are called, being behind the controls of a weaponized drone.';

'>>92583469
Give it something more magical to do, a raspberry pi or a pigeon is already less work to do it better.';

'>>92574543

Prepare for my donut steel folded over a thousand times.

>10th gen Settite
>embraced during a Sabbat mass embrace attack to be used as cannon fodder, typical shovel head
>participated in a assault on the local Camarilla stronghold right after embrace, they lost, but got away alive (mostly)
>rolled with the Sabbat for a few months, learned some things about vampire society and disciplines from his sire
>the pack walked the path of the Cathari
>fledgling escaped after a few months after seeing the Sabbat as the monsters they are, but not before diablerising a 9th generation pack mate
>now holding up in a Camarilla domain after entering as a regretful anarch
>doing odd jobs for the sheriff to stay in the good graces of the Camarilla
>skilled at cultivating and using ghouls

>discplines: presence, serpentis and potence

Not too edgy I think.';

'>>92583609
Good chart, I was worried I was the only one whose lateral incisors turned into canines.
I mean, it's not like you can just compare your teeth with your packmates'.';

'>>92583609
Salubri>Malk>Tory>everyone else';

'>>92583555
Really? I figure a thinking thing would work better than just programming';

'>>92583801

Lmao, sounds like you prefer humans over actual vampires. Allow me to give you the correct list:

Lasombra>settites>Tremere>giovanni>brujah';

'>>92582159
Earthblood was supposed to be W5 compliant, but that studio fucked themselves out of their license by letting Sambrano basically drag them down with him.';

'>>92583901
I like blowjobs so I'm making my judgement from there. Feel free to have your own opinion';

'>>92584053

>not living on the edge by getting a blowjob from a qt Nosferatu gf

For shame, anon.';

'Are Fish Malks viable?';

'>>92584075
>>not living on the edge by getting a blowjob from a qt nagaraja gf
Fixed for you, bro.';

'>>92583118
Imperial Mysteries low-key suggests the WoD is in-fact a simulation of a game, and ascending into the Supernal, or some level of it, has them ‘leave’ the game or impose their ‘canon’ over it.

Wyrd transcendence plays into that I think, and I like to think the ‘transcended’ Fae are still the ‘old gods of the thistle’ as mentioned in 1e';

'>>92583609
D-daily reminder fang size doesn't matter.';

'>>92584139';

'>>92584174
>ascending into the Supernal, or some level of it, has them ‘leave’ the game or impose their ‘canon’ over it.
Thats literally what happens. You're editing the setting/book. There are many stories in the book.';

'>>92584249
Fang size does matter & if you can't keep them in your fucking head you're going on my fucking List you got that lick?';

'>>92583685
>>92584249
I've played at least one vampire who would judge anyone with small fangs and especially incisor fangs as not even real vampires.';

'The developer of Mage: The Awakening Second Edition is a true fae';

'>>92584500';

'>>92581283
I was thinking of sunstone today
interesting
sunstone and vtm, clans for each character?';

'>>92581968
>It's been how long since V5 came out and we've got three splats, two of which have basically fallen off the radar since launch?
Came out in 2018. Has been 6yrs already.';

'so, how do you learn disciplines from other clans, without ending up blood bound?
and in an average game, how many disciplines do you end up with?';

'>>92584539
DaveB? Nah, he's just a fat, unwashed neckbeard who cries when Mage Supremacy isn't a thing.';

'>>92584973
A one point blood bond is nothing., first off.

Second, different editions have some different requirements, so which edition are you asking about?';

'>>92584973
You take the merit that nullifies bloodbonds';

'>>92584973
>without ending up blood bound?
There's a ritual for that.';

'>>92585026
So Fae?
They claim everything supernatural is fairy's
>We made the werewolves (Shapeshifters punished to one form)
>Mages are gifted by the great will of Fariy kind
>We wuz Kain's (A red-cap who was punished for murdering his brother by a fae lord)';

'>>92585035
v20 or v5';

'How to roleplay being unsettling as a Malkavian?';

'>>92576923
I know two guys that run V5 at my uni's TTRPG club. Both only got into the setting due to L.A By Night, so they play V5 because that's what they know.

I know for a fact neither have played Bloodlines or Redemption.';

'>>92585308
maybe have an imaginary friend
and have the malk make comments about stuff the imaginary friend says that utilize hints of meta knowledge you have regarding stuff like rolls or backstories, stuff you acquire from the table. nothing plot/game breaking, but hints';

'>>92584973
That's part of the risk/reward of it. Get a teacher you can (mostly) trust not to abuse the 1 dot blood bond and learn the discipline from them. Of course the bonding might also be part of their price for teaching you.';

'I randomly remembered someone saying a joke about a WoD book where you play government employees trying to deal with all the supernatural groups that secretly run the government.

Did anyone ever do more with that?';

'>>92585308
Just be yourself. ;^)';

'>>92585308
>eat people
>look like anybody
>look like nothing
>read minds
>write minds
>unstable and won't be fixed
>methuselahs could be looking out from their eyes any time

Don't reference Psychonauts and it takes care of itself.';

'>>92584124
I feel like the only way you could RP a fish malk is a Harrier Du Bois type character. An depressive schizoid amnesiac, an absolute wreck of a human being and a vampire too, all contrasted with a world that by nature has to take him at face value due to some position of authority, whether it be a wealthy status, legal authority, or some other "separation" from the common people he'll be interacting with.';

'>>92576923
My friends exclusively run it because 1. it's the newest VtM and old = clunky and outdated, and 2. there's an app for making characters, which is admittedly nice to use. No idea what it does differently, mostly because I've never had the chance to play any other edition but also because we barely used any rules but hunger and skill rolls. Lots of theater kid stuff in that game, it was fun in the same way junk food is fun.';

'>>92585568
>Lots of theater kid stuff in that game, it was fun in the same way junk food is fun.
Quite frankly v20 is the same theater kid bullshit but I think it's infinitely more preferable just because it embraces the kitsch of a roleplaying game where you play a brooding edgelord vampire. Mechanically the only thing that keeps me from v5 is the genocide enacted upon unique disciplines in favor of combo disciplines, something that was completely unnecessary.

>b-b-b-but powergamers!!!
If you're powergaming at VtM not only are you a fucking retard you're someone who wouldn't enjoy VtM in the first place. VtM and the ST system were designed around drama, without any actual drama you don't have a chronicle. if one of your players is powergaming, grow a fucking pair and tell him to kill himself, it's really that easy.';

'>>92585601';

'>>92585308
Claim that the entire world dances to the whims of one godlike being, except for the members of your coterie. Then call each character by their player's name';

'so, I've noticed for some disciplines, there's more than one option per level. How does that work? You unlock all options when you spend enough points to unlock that level, or you need to reunlock?';

'>>92585601
Power gamers get on the Red List quick, so they usually solve themselves. It doesn't matter how much potence & celerity you have if you get kicked out of the Cam with no friends.';

'>>92585790
what version?';

'>>92585273
A one point blood bond is a nothing burger in V5. You only have to drink once, and then you unlock the ability to buy the Discipline going forward. You don't need to drink every time, and you don't require a teacher (nothing but Blood Sorcery does).';

'>>92585982
is it different between v5 and v20?';

'>>92586132
>is it different between v5 and v20?
Yes.';

'>>92586132
V20 only has multiple options between game eras (V20 vs. DAV20) or at elder levels. Levels 1 to 5 are almost always all the same no matter who buys the Discipline, but Elder powers you buy all separately.

In V5, you get one power per dot; the various different powers are choices you can make when you buy a dot. The design is there to prevent samey characters, or allow people to take stuff for flavor or to take things that aren't Always Optimization Based. You don't have the option to purchase powers again, though you can take lower-level powers as higher-level dots, which can be good as most things scale with your Discipline dots.';

'>>92586158
>V20 only has multiple options between game eras (V20 vs. DAV20) or at elder levels. Levels 1 to 5 are almost always all the same no matter who buys the Discipline, but Elder powers you buy all separately.
Unless we include the whole Valeran/Obeah bullshit.';

'>>92573878
>>92573892
1
>Does this have something to do with Salubri or Tremere influence?
>Yes / No
>Every fucking session, but only once
2
>Way too strong for cost, especially since this dogshit implies that occult clans will be present
3
>You heard Saulot smiled while he was being eaten
>So you auto-pass what would normally be a high Diff Auspex roll??
4
>Inexplicable beckoning power that uses difference Disciplines for some reason
>Also you can resist beckoning even though that's not part of the flavor set up?
5
>Spend 15 experience to get another Bane.
>Does absolutely nothing else until you spend 5+ more experience and even then you need a teacher for Blood Sorcery';

'>>92585601
Unique disciplines were shit 99/100 times. Most of them were one or two powers stretched extremely thin over ten levels and were way over-costed on top of that.';

'>>92586252';

'>>92586252
>>92586528
It's even funnier if you realize that there's a 4-dot for all Hecata bloodlines that allows them to pick a Discipline from another Hecata bloodline that they don't have and they not only gain it in-clan but learn 1 dot in it too.';

'>>92586632
bruh.';

'>>92586252
>>92573878
>>92573892
What the fuck were they thinking with this one? It feels like they wanted to make a Tremere becoming a Salubri but they needed something for them too.';

'>>92581443
If the vampire is trying to force his dick in the mouth of another one, it shouldn't even require a roll to hit. Furthermore, if it is Masquerade, vampire fangs deal aggravated damage. It is a supremely bad idea to try and mouth rape a vampire.';

'>>92586810
Now I am picturing a whole BDSM looking vampire ceremony about bonding others into submission.
Third weirdest boner of the day.';

'>>92586861
You could literally get your soul sucked out through your dick.';

'>>92581968
>>92582699
From what I heard, the writers ended things because they'd essentially written themselves into a corner with how complicated the lore was becoming and bungling introducing new stuff. The move away from having a metaplot was more of a benefit for them than any one else.

>>92582815
At this point, my ideal would be a fusion of WoD and CofD. I have no illusion this compromise would satisfy either side as it's creating a third setting, but for me, it is fun to think about. If I were actually in charge of it, people would probably be extra mad for mostly abandoning Mage, even if the replacement would still have elements from both games.';

'>>92585561
The Baron is helping me find my Ghoul.';

'>>92586954
>Set up several apocalyptic scenarios across every last game line
>Realize you need to pay that off
>Surprised Pikachu Face.png';

'>>92586954
>The move away from having a metaplot was more of a benefit for them than any one else.
I'd argue it was beneficial for everyone because it was fucking retarded. I think I've played in five or six games over the last fifteen years that paid any attention to any of it. The level of signature character jacking off was fucking terrible too.';

'>>92586810
>It is a supremely bad idea to try and mouth rape a vampire.
with enough dots in Fortitude nothing is impossible';

'>>92586954
>At this point, my ideal would be a fusion of WoD and CofD.
>Mostly abandoning Mage, even if the replacement would still have elements from both games.

This is more or less what I do at my table.';

'>>92581968
>Yeah the CofD change was a moronic move.
To be fair, I like CofD as well as its own thing, now that it's CofD. But trying to also brand it as WoD was a fucking stupid idea, and made it a horrible pain-in-the-arse nightmare to work out back in the day because there were two fully distinct, completely incompatible game lines with the same fucking name. It reduced the branding to a confusing sludge.

It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of CofD hate comes from knee-jerk reaction to that shitty bait-and-switch, to be honest.';

'>>92586991
The metaplot gives you a good prompt to get a plot going but it is pretty useless if you play it strait out of the box.';

'>>92587109
All you need is the framework for how to run a city and the archetypes and politics of each clan. Everything else was a massive burden of knowledge that no one cared about. I've never seen a single person earnestly run the True Black Hand with intentional accuracy, or do anything with crap like the Inconnu or the ToJ.
The only things that are even engaging in most instances were petty politicking, personal drama developments, or combat over domains. None which have anything to do with Vykos throwing her cock at Hardestadt.';

'>>92587081
>It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of CofD hate comes from knee-jerk reaction to that shitty bait-and-switch, to be honest.
On top of that it was too close to WoD to be unique but to different to feel like a smooth continuation.';

'>Planning a mixed-splat game soon
>Decide to make a compiled document of all of the Merits in CofD 2e to make it easier for my players to find them all because book layout is asinine
>How hard can it be?
I'm at 137 pages and I'm still not done, Jesus fucking Christ how are there so many?';

'>>92587297
why aren't you using the codex?';

'>>92587333
I don't like the layout, and I'd prefer an A4 PDF with the full text of each Merit.';

'>>92586960
I'm imagining something like the "Where's my Cow" book from Discworld that you read to fledgeling vamps.
>Where's my Ghoul? Is that my ghoul? It goes "Gerrofme!" That's lunch! That's not my ghoul!
>Where's my Ghoul? Is that my ghoul? It goes "Squeak!?" That's a nosferatu spy! That's not my ghoul!
>Where's my Ghoul? Is that my ghoul? It goes "AWOOOOOOOOO" That's a werewolf! That's definitely not my ghoul!
>Where oh where is my ghoul!?';

'>>92587422
I feel ya.';

'>>92573878
>>92573892
>Hmm
>Should I spend 20 experience to get a third eye that explodes in blood and 1 dot in Fortitude?
>Or just spend 21 experience to get 2 dots in Fortitude out of clan?';

'>>92587297
I knew there were a lot of Merits, but I didn't realize there were that many.';

'>>92587460
>Samuel Vimes goes absolutely full raging war machine screaming "Where's my Cow" verse for verse.';

'Has either version of the game ever stated stuff like skateboards, rollerblades and bikes?';

'>>92587562
A lot of them are also splat-specific.';

'>>92587608
bonus to movement speed on "good" terrain, dexterity check on "rough" terrain';

'>>92573892
>it's shit
From a certain standpoint, this is Saulot screwing you over.';

'>>92587761
I see where you are coming from but just doesn't come across the loresheet.';

'>>92587606
Thats my favorite part of his story, going full rage mode, being a father scream reading his favorite book, functioning on a primordial need for routine, keeping a spirit of darkness held in check by sheer mental fortitude & moral obstinance, lost in the bowels of the earth fucking up a bunch of fundamentalist dwarves who see you as the embodiment of their own sins';

'>>92577541
Changing some things

Tristan was embraced by one of the Seven but his sire was reluctant to have his Childe diablerize him as this was during the Dark Ages & shit was hard on Clan Salubri, before anything could really be done they became separated. He still fell in with the Tzimisce against the Tremere but the one who taught him Vicissitude was his lover instead, they still talk occasionally. Still killed & replaced a newly turned Tremere in the city.

I don't know if Tristan is his assumed name or his real name.

Disciplines
>Valeren 3
>Blood Sorcery 3
>Vissitude 1

Background
>Generation 5
>Herd 1

Merits
>Scent of the Other 1
>Enchanting Voice 2
>Hidden Diablerie 3
>Unbondable 3

Flaws
>The Eighth 6
>Dark Secret 1';

'>>92573451
>Tell us about your snowflake character or another player's snowflake character.
Currently trying to build my first Mage the Ascension campaign and one of my player's had his first character as an Anarcho-Primitivist Champagne Socialist Verbena
>Avatar is Karl Marx, who he believes to be his own past life
>Mentor was just a college professor who wanted to pump his recruitment numbers by cramming Anprim shit into the guy's Paradigm
>Claims to be vegan but eats meat multiple times a week, anytime someone confronts him on this he goes into a "no ethical consumption under capitalism" rant
>Mostly does Life Magick involving bees because they're the proletariat
>Works like 5 hours a month using Life Magick to brew up drugs to sell to the Ecstatic Weed Dealer in the party, technically making him working class even if he has 3 dots of Resources.
>Best knowledge is Unconventional Warfare
>Decided to take a Flaw for being shit at Mind despite taking Social as his Primary traits.
He decided that while a lot of those ideas were fun, they were too ambitious for a first character. Also he's still having troubles understanding Focus even with the new character.';

'>>92577541
>Doesn't want to participate in the self-destructive diablerie rituals of the Salubri
>Diablerizes a Tremere so he doesn't have to
Brilliant';

'>>92573808
Are you asking as antagonists or as players?';

'>>92588197
It's the principle of the thing! Tremere stole that blood, it belongs to the Saulbri, the Warlocks are just holding on to it!';

'>>92580693
IME the actual events of the campaign can get really railroady, but the dinner as a session 0 is a fucking amazing setup, even if the Coterie fucks off to try and rule Czechoslovakia or something.';

'>>92588197
When asked what it was like to suck the soul out of a vampire the Saulbri replied, "I don't know, I've only ever diablerized Tremere"';

'CofD question. My players won't read the pdf's I link them, and I'm wondering if there's some sort of pre built merit list for certain playstyles? Something to smooth out the character creation process. The social smoothtalker, the brawler etc.
There's so many books to go through';

'>>92588541
There's the Codex ( https://codexofdarkness.com/wiki/Category:Merits ), but it's layout isn't great and it leaves details out of some Merits. I'm currently compiling a document as I mentioned earlier in the thread, going alphabetically I'm up to Vampire Merits, but it's up to 143 pages and I've probably got like a couple days left before it's finished at this rate. I thought it'd take me like 2-3 days and it's taken me a fucking week so far. I'll post it when I'm done. It'll at least be all of the Merits in one place with something approaching reasonable organization.

That said, if they won't read your PDFs, they might not read mine that's going to be almost as long by now.';

'>>92587606
>>92587962
Thud! remains peak fantasy fiction.';

'>>92588568
Tremendous, I just saw your post above. I don't blame them for not wanting to sift through 3 books to get a character off the ground honestly.';

'>>92573808
just use the time of judgement scenario where they are sometimes right but are way in over their head regarding their totalitarian plan for all of humanity and the traditions + technocracy need to make up and kiss in order to defeat the corrupted avatars turned into actual technocracy strawmen aliens so that the rest of humanity can finally ascend leaving the rest of the supernatural shitters to duke it out for ownership of gaia's corpse';

'>>92575456
i think according to demon or something they are all different layers of reality despite being contradictory and the one we perceive is all of them squished together';

'>>92588726
no acording to demon reality used to be like that before the fall, but it's not anymore

fan speculation was that the other layers became the umbra due to demons not interacting with it all that much, outside of the dark umbra which they made';

'>>92580280
>module
anon ...';

'>>92588651
Something to keep in mind, if you're allowing multiple splats/using more than one core book, certain Merits are different between different books as well, and you'll want to make a ruling on which counts in that case. Some notable examples, off the top of my head
-Resources can be a shared purchase between multiple players ONLY according to Changeling
-Safe Place is vastly more complex in Hunter: The Vigil than in any other books
-the Touchstone Merit is slightly different in each book it appears in

There's a fair few like this.';

'>>92588980
The only ones I was thinking of really were the CofD book, Hurt Locker and VtR. But now that I think about it there's also the clan books and the covenant ones too.';

'>>92587515
That's not how it works. It's a merit. The layout can be confusing, but each level is distinct and self-contained. You can buy only the 4th if wanted. It cost 4 freebie point, which is the main if not only way you can pay for it, at charatcter creation.

>>92580693
I've ran it two times over twenty years (three if you only count the Last Supper which I once ran with 13PCs and three DMs). Some of my best memories with the game. The Last Supper is a great introduction. Short and dense, but can be a very intense with the right crowd. Nuova Malattia, if players can stomach the bait & switch is an incredible skeleton of a campaign that is the exact contrary, very spread out and diffuse. Needs a lot of work - so many NPCs to create to pull it off. The two others are rather mediocre but doing the job between intro and conclusion. I remember some funky mistakes (the Thames flowing backwards if I'm not mistaked).

>>92581611
Boarding School (great territory for a vampire; dangerous material depending on players), local neighbourhood society with an unusual but very unrelated-to-vampirism theme ("The Society for the Protection of Dromedary"), a Salon with local intellectuals, local gang with an esoteric twist, "tupperware parties", truck food that has a developed a recurring crowd and hides something more sinister...

>>92587460
Thanks for the smile. Nice way to start the day.';

'>>92578075
Which Wraith book was that? You made a interesting pitch';

'>>92581611
Slaughterhouses are not really what the merit describes but they make sense. There are some business like massage parlors or chiropractors that allows you to feed on your clients and build a cult following.';

'>>92587628
>>92587608
Add athletics to speed one favorable terrain?';

'>>92581611
A Gangrel or Nosferatu lurks in a nice park and it's Herd is a dog walker who walks 6 dogs at a time. He doesn't take much from them, but when there's 6 of them and the walker he can get by on a lot of a little.';

'>>92586737
It's Renegade. Don't question, only buy.';

'What's the best way to stat a cult under a PCs control?';

'>>92586954
>At this point, my ideal would be a fusion of WoD and CofD.
We already have that at home, kiddo, and it's called WoD5';

'>>92589616
It's just an odd lore sheet.';

'>>92589624
As usual they couldn't commit to the bid, making a mediocre middle ground.';

'>>92589620
Charisma baby.';

'>>92581611
Use of Obfuscate to blend in with a late night carpool. The early morning metro that gets the salarymen home. Entirely unremarkable, of course they're tired after getting home so late. No, nothing remarkable happened on the way home.';

'>>92573808
Depends
They stay in their lane and have (Fuck you got mine) attitude towards others
They go after the people summoning dragons while leaving the dude who can actually do real parlor magic alone seeing the hunt of him to be more trouble than it's worth
>Or they just buy a few hunters with cash
The organization is so massive they are spread thin so they want to avoid sending the death bots unless necessary
Think of a Government body rather than antagonists themselves';

'>>92589624
Nah. WoD5 is a stripped down WoD with minor CofD elements, not a fusion. At bare minimum they'd need to do something like adding the Covenants to Masquerade.';

'>>92589675
They added vampire church as one of the big factions recently so there's that.';

'>>92581611
my last character has a weird alchemy blood cult where my character thought people in the higher ranks how to create a potion of immortality (aka become my ghoul)

as for herd i like to add it with + influence and resources and run a blood bank';

'>>92589664
What?';

'>>92589674
So Demon the Descent logic? Don't poke the bear but don't let it surprise you when it does something that affects you and yours?';

'>>92589810
Exactly with an important note
They can be placated
Give them a witch and the jobs done
Another thing about what I said about Hunters is if they die fighting your players and had a few supernatural goodies then the Union will call the job a success and leave you be, getting a worthwhile reward for the effort';

'>>92585308
Remember there is a method to madness - an internal (in?)consistently followed logic. Leatherface is a maniac built like a brick shithouse with a chainsaw that'll string you up from a hook without blinking, but still quivers like a puppy when his frail grandpa threatens or beats him. Hannibal Lecter isn't freaky because he eats people, he's freaky because he's a polite educated scholar who'll discuss your philosophy and rethoric and then drop a line about how he'll cook your eyeballs with the perfect wine, the chick from black swan is freaky because despite being an elegant dancer she's also a sexually and emotionally repressed perfectionist schizo lesbo willing to do anything to achieve that perfection.

It's not that you're crazy, it's that they can't see what is so immediately obvious and apparent to you, and you're mostly alone in knowing what you know.';

'For non-Awakened Kinfolk what cool Gifts/Merits or powers would make playing one less of a burden for the rest of players?';

'>>92588259
>>92588238
Hard as fuck. Tr*m*r*s will hang.';

'>>92590050
Apecraft blessings sounds like a must-have for sniping people.';

'>>92590050
If you wanna play a non-Awakened Kinfolk, get Numina instead of Gifts.
Also, buy Gnosis Merit and ask for your ST to use Mana/Chi rules for your Gnosis pool (so you can reduce test difficulties using your Gnosis).

That's how I do with mine.';

'>people still believing that Metis is same word as Métis racial slur, even if it was stabilished in-game and in interviews it isn't the same

They fell for that real hard for the SJW discourse.';

'>>92590327
The PR department can be a bitch.
>>92590008
Now I'm imagining a diplomatic meeting between the traditions and technocrats.';

'>>92590050
Does that include sorcerers?';

'true fae x fate archmage

there is no hotter or gayer pairing

except perhaps helios x spirit archmage';

'>>92590399
The best part for me is the whole Wendigo issue on "you can't use/read/speak the word because it's a taboo on their culture and we need to respect that!"

This is same as when people want to force religious dogmas on other people who aren't from that religion at all. I get it's a taboo for them, so being respectful when you are in their presence is neat and good.

But why should other people abide to their dogmas? Hell, I don't even know which native-american people has the belief of Wendigo. I doubt I'll find one of those people joining my games.

It's even worse when they try to explain "it's like saying Satan in catholic religion", but they don't censor the name nor actually respect it.

It's all a bunch of virtual signaling.';

'>>92590286
Well what’s the point of Gnosis without Gifts to use it? I don’t have Auspex as a Kinfolk. And what Numina? Psychic powers, Hedge magic? Be an animals guy? Go full Nosferatu and use rats dogs pigeons to spy?';

'>>92590612
>Hell, I don't even know which native-american people has the belief of Wendigo.
General Algonquian thing, kinda, because they all have a different name and set of characteristics for it.';

'>>92590612
>all a bunch of virtual signaling.
It's marketing. The PR team thinks it necessary for the product to succeed so they change shit.
They believe that the controversy over using the original names will affect the product in a negative manner. Ditto for most other W5 changes.';

'>>92590465
Nothing is gayer than two Toreadors

Nothing is hotter than a big lug werewolf guy & his bratty gangrel tomboy gf.';

'I thought the Indian name I wasn't supposed to say was YEE-nald(rhyming with bald)-LOO-she';

'>>92590630
You can use Gnosis for stepping sideways and, if you apply Mana rules, use it for lowering difficult of your Numina tests. Plus, Kinfolk with Gnosis are rare and Garou would see you as extra special and would take better care of you.
Numina in the general sense: Hedge Magic, Psychic, etc. My Kinfolk has Alchemy 5, Psychometry 3, Emphatic Healing 2 and Telekinesis 1.
And well, if you wanna go full Animal Psi and go Nosferatu-route of animal espionage, be my guest.';

'>>92590649
There are some kickass Ojibwe legends about wendigo, including this one which involves a mecha made of ice and directed energy weapons.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120223211932/http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/ICW-141.html#windigo';

'>>92590902
Alchemy 5 is probably the most powerful hedge sorcerery long term. I remember some of your stories about allowing a Metis to breed true with an elixir but the other alchemy shenanigans you did escape my memory.
Didn't you refine silver for weapons?';

'>Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “I do not find in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden to eat except carrion, running blood, swine—which is impure—or a sinful offering in the name of any other than Allah. But if someone is compelled by necessity—neither driven by desire nor exceeding immediate need—then surely your Lord is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Can you be a follower of Islam as a Kindred if you starve yourself to near-frenzy and only drink to keep you conscious?';

'>>92589802
You could mark your herd or feeding ground as a piece of public transportation, and use Obfuscate to consistently feed freely there. 4 people and yourself pile into a car to carpool, or any number of people climb into the subway on their way home and nobody is any the wiser as you gently feed from them whille they sleep after work.';

'>>92590972
No need for refining silver on weapons since Alchemy 3 let me do weapons that deal Agg Dmg on supernaturals, spirits, etc. It would be redundant.
However, there are two things that I did with silver:
>a safe imbued with silver so only non-werewolves could touch the safe without taking agg dmg
>imbuing lamps with the mystical platonic silver properties so everytime it would turn on, the light would hurt woofs just as sunlight hurt a vampire
Both done with Alchemy 3 to 4.

Now my character is waiting the woof players finish a mission so they can travel together in the Umbra for ingredients for a Wits+ and Stamina+ elixirs. He needs to decipher a big prophecy and last time he consumed an alchemical vision seruum, he got into a deadly coma. So these two would help his brain more resistant and not shutting down.

Another thing he's still doing is getting rid of a Pentex corruption poison and now he's in-charge of helping out to get rid of a possible return of black plague from Dark Ages.
Another thing he's still doing is building those radiation measure meters, but for Gnosis. He believes his family's castle was once a Caern and if that's true, his next step is building a machine for restore Caerns (but they would get back as a Level 1).
He also in far future trying his hand at cloning Garou (his machine would basicaly clone the body and bring back the garou spirit and gnosis). But my ST and I agreed to follow the rule for Technocracy clones of 3 months duration.';

'>>92591023
I'm talking about making a high society cult, Im not some dirty Ravnos bastard with too much cologne, running a Blood Taxi, though that sounds like an immensely fun idea';

'>>92590986
Just put the blood in a bowl first then it's not moving';

'>>92591065
Please, it's for the pragmatic Mekhet or Nosferatu.

For high society ideas you could have a for-hire Experience. People pay money to have actors come round to their house and host murder mystery parties for example, where the customers are briefed on a role and they join the story. Imagine your discerning Toreador putting out feelers to find gatherings of beautiful people having mundane parties, you invite yourself and leave them with a night they'll never forget. Soon people are talking, trying to meet your discerning criteria to have you show up at their party.';

'>>92591064
Neat.';

'>>92590986
Don't the assamites have entire sections dedicated to this? I barely know shit about them since they're my 2nd least favorite clan behind brujah';

'>>92591064
>He also in far future trying his hand at cloning Garou (his machine would basicaly clone the body and bring back the garou spirit and gnosis). But my ST and I agreed to follow the rule for Technocracy clones of 3 months duration
You could get your woofs Allies to talk to a whip tail spirit, odds are that their advice would be enough for a permanent clone.';

'>>92591101
Do you know what a cult is? These aren't cults, these are very unsecured mobile feeding ideas that could easily result in a masquerade breach or a Hunter ambush';

'why didn't they just give the Tzimisce Auspex, Protean, and Animalism in v5? giving them dominate fucks with the entire aesthetic (not that they give a shit about how the clans have been depicted before) of the clan. they perfect torture and blood bonding *because* they do not have dominate. giving them dominate defeats the whole purpose.';

'>>92591205
Many things my Kinfolk does is in secret. No Garou know my character has Empathic Healing, which is Kinfolk-exclusive psychic Numen and pretty rare among them. Kinfolk who develop this numen are often guarded real close and given lots of attention by the Garou. His life would be living hell if they discover. The safe and the lamps are another secret (even tho he was going to defend himself with one lamp, but a Garou destroyed before he would turn it on, so it is unknown if they discover or not the real function).

He knows if it's revealed about his cloning ideas before he actually do it, not only Garou would destroy his project, but could also end his life or have someone follow him around every waking step. Cloning is weaver bullshit and heretic to the point you break the cycle of life and death in theory. Probably not even Glass Walker would approve that.';

'>>92591458
V5 gives everyone Dominate. It gave the Salubri dominate.

Glad to see there's someone else who appreciates the Tzimisce having Auspex though.';

'>>92589477
The book's title is;
>Charnel Houses of Europe: The Shoah
which is one of the Black Dog titles.

>>92589268
>Thanks for the smile. Nice way to start the day.
No problem!

>>92589620
Charisma, Presence to get them in the door, then brainwashing them with drugs, rituals, etc. Obfuscate yourself behind an inner circle or a high priest that you have ghouled to hide from hunters or, more dangerously, the press. Finally, if you can incorporate something like taking communion, drinking wine, etc, spill a bit of vitae into the communal cup. A 1 dot blood bond for your cultists is a great way to encourage them to stay devoted to the cult.';

'>>92590986
This came up when I was researching the True Believer Caitiff (which was actually my favorite of the ones I’ve made - it was fun to make the high-humanity born-again religious vampire but from a Muslim rather than Christian angle like usual). The short version is that Islam has a recurring theme for all of their rules: if following the rules would cause you undue pain or hardship or even kill you, then you are free to ignore them. God understands.

- You can hide that you’re Muslim (even faking the worship of other gods) if you’re some place where being Muslim openly might get you hurt or killed.
- You aren’t expected to undertake the Hajj if you’re not financially or physically able to do it.
- Zakat charity isn’t expected of the poor either - they can give Zakat by being kind and courteous to others, by doing good deeds when possible, rather than giving actual money.
- If you’re diabetic or injured or menstruating or pregnant or otherwise put in danger by fasting, then you don’t have to fast during Ramadan.
- If you miss a daily prayer, just make it up the following day by doing the prayer you missed twice.

Islam is unusual among religions in that it is *explicit* that every single one of its rules is secondary to your health and well-being. *God understands*.

In the case of vampires, the very verse you posted says:

>But if someone is compelled by necessity—neither driven by desire nor exceeding immediate need—then surely your Lord is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

A vampire literally can’t subsist on anything but blood. They are compelled by necessity. So even though blood is ordinarily haram and najis, God understands, and won’t expect the vampire to abstain entirely, nor risk frenzy. Or at least that’s how a vampire might justify it.';

'>>92590986
>>92591100
Just tell the juicebag to stand still while you feed, then it's not running.';

'>>92588238
The guy looked at mortals mentioning terms like "bag holding" and substituted crypto for blood. After all, blood is the only currency that matters';

'>>92592356
>>92592356
>>92592356
>>92592356

NEW THREAD!';

'>>92591478
>He knows if it's revealed about his cloning ideas before he actually do it, not only Garou would destroy his project, but could also end his life or have someone follow him around every waking step. Cloning is weaver bullshit and heretic to the point you break the cycle of life and death in theory. Probably not even Glass Walker would approve that.
Shame on them, this is some of the most interesting stuff you can do with alchemy.';

'>>92589268
>That's not how it works
That's exactly how it works. 5 dots is worth 15 exp, 5 more is to purchase 1 in a Discipline. That's 20 experience to get an egregious Bane and level 1 in a Discipline vs just spending 21 to get 2 dots out of clan.';