'>>92577224
>TQ
3 green players completely tapped out from ramping while you have moonsnare prototype ready.';

'(from last thread) I remember seeing an interesting Pharika list here, and I was wondering if the original creator would mind me being a filthy netdecker once I rustle up enough money to buy the list myself. I know it's really degen to netdeck without adding anything to make it your own, but it looks extremely fun and already includes a couple of my favourite pet cards';

'>>92577224
>TQ
this version? shortly before getting kicked out of the playgroup.';

'>>92577224

Turn 1 or 2. Force the game to never begin. Everyone gives up, easy victory.';

'How does it look if i run force of will in commander';

'>>92577428
It's fine. In casual metas it's actually not amazing, despite being a staple in high power metas.';

'>>92577224
Right after you play a card that lets you control its tapped/untapped state, same as Howling Mine.';

'>>92577241';

'>>92577224
Which burn commander should I build for FNM? Neheb? Ojer Axonil? Taii Wakeen? Trying to balance fun, power, and affordability.

Not really interested in torbran, imodane, or solphim as commanders but I could be convinced. Open to suggestions. I just like burn / life loss playstyles. Keeps the game moving.';

'>>92577241
>Janny back to deleting canon information again';

'>>92577493
>>92577501
It's annoying ritualfag spam that gets ignored anyways';

'undefined';

'>>92577577
Why is thirty (30) starting life objectively more boring than fourty (40)';

'>>92577587
30 life doesn't make it interesting';

'>>92577577
>Gets ignored
Not by janny. Also I guess you weren't there for the thread where it was confirmed Bolas cucked Ral.';

'>>92577587
counting to 120 is a more fun challenge';

'The Emperor looks like THAT?';

'>>92577679
built for facefucking';

'How fun is Licia and what are some of the popular builds for her?';

'Wait, am I thinking about this right?
I was making a deck that includes Mindslaver and Emry; theoretically, if I make infinite colorless mana can I just cast Slaver 3 times and control all my opponent’s turns? Assuming it goes uncontested.';

'>>92577224
Turn 3 is actually the best because people usually ramp out turn 2 and cast their first big spells t3.
If you do it right in an Urza deck you cast it alongside him.';

'>>92577903
How are you casting Mindslaver a 3rd time? You'd need something to untap Emry. If you have that, then yes.';

'>>92577945
My go-to for even getting infinite mana in that deck is just Isochron with Dramatic Reversal so my ordering thinking is: Isochron tap to make infinite mana via artifacts, then/also untaps Emry to fuel the Slaver.';

'>>92577973
What table are you playing at where that resolves and everyone doesn't just scoop?';

'His trigger would double for Felix, right?';

'>>92577985
Friends group.';

'What types of lands would you put in Breya? I've removed two of each basic and the checklands for the bridges and missing filters but I'm wondering if I should swap out a type for triomes or surveil lands';

'>>92577627
>There's no homophobia in the multiverse
>The biggest villain is gay
What did WotC mean by this?';

'>>92578033
drop the basic mountain
is there a reason you aren't running fetches?';

'>>92578081
Purely budget reasons';

'Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)';

'>>92578033
>Drop the basic mountain
Awesome idea. Make it so that the inevitable path thrown at him can't fetch any red.';

'>>92578033
Your manabase is fine, though I'd personally run more basics. I'm not really sure what you'd swap out for triomes or other utility like strip mine/wasteland.';

'>>92578119
it's better to play around blood moon than path to exile in a 4c deck, especially one without fetches';

'https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7435968/your_spells_are_mine

Need help with cuts as well as what else to put in this';

'>>92578145
Look, his manabase is so tight that the only way he'd be able to add the triomes is to cut three basics, and you generally want to have at LEAST one of every basic land type you need in your deck for various reasons. Path is just the one that comes to mind since path is by far the most common situation where having basics matters.';

'>>92578033
cut
>filter
>artifact
>artifact dual
proxy:
>fetch
>triome
add:
>basics';

'>>92578166
I get that
blood moon is pretty prevalent in my local meta so my 4c/5c decks tend to have fewer basic mountains and more of others to try and play around it as much as i can';

'To the anon who made this wonderful Pharika contellation deck, I have but one question: why not include sagas like The Mending of Dominaria or The Fall of Gil-Galad? The former is a great way to both mill yourself, and take advantage of all the lands being incidentally milled into the graveyard; the latter is perfect for triggering all of your constellation payoffs for cheap, in addition to providing card selection and turning one of your presumably many deathtouch snakes into both card draw and removal.';

'So if my mana base is
>10 Fetchlands
>10 Shocklands
>10 ABU Duals
>5 Triomes
Am I running the absolute best lands for a generic 5-color deck? I'm running mana rocks, but should I include one of each basic land as well to protect against things like Field of Ruin?';

'>>92578164
gonna be honest, i don't think jeleva is the best commander for this type of thing. you are relying too heavily on your opponents playing instants/sorceries, and not enough ways to potentially cast their other shit. also, your aren't ramping hard enough when you are spending mana on your own spells as well as your opponents spells. anyways, here's some cards i would recommend playing, as well as my own take on the "steal yo shit" deck.
>decadent dragon
>elder brain
>plargg and nassari
>ensnared by the mara
>wand of wonder
>stolen strategy
>ruinous powers
>fallen shinobi
>silent blade oni
>brainstealer dragon
>court of lochthwain
cards i don't run but would recommend looking at
>desertation
>spelljack
>bribery
>acquire
aand here's my list (it has green, and only does two things: ramp and steal)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/p8gM3ydr1EeBRdfU2MSYuw';

'>>92578221
I would run basics simply to be able to get something from pte/ass trophy. Depending on your deck, the surveil lands can also be a good consideration. Triomes are nice, but also often needlessly overkill. You quickly have all the combinations you need anyway.';

'>>92578221
A 5c deck is rarely perfectly even, and pretending it is can leave you lopsided. 2-3 triomes and ~6 shocks slanted towards your main colors gives you room for utility lands and basics.';

'>>92577587
not the anon who always posts it, but i remember trying to post it responding to someone once, sent it through 5 times, and every time it never actually posted. guess it was getting caught by a spam filter or something. honestly makes me wonder how he, and you, are able to post it.';

'Should I cut 2 basics for 2 more fetches?';

'>>92578164
Jeleva is fun, but I would recommend getting way more payoffs. I played her myself for years, but went a bit offrails overall.

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeleva-exile-mill-steal/

A few points:
>Get as much haste as possible in there since she'll be qucikly removed, so you want to be able to attack when she comes down. So 2-3 haste lands, 2-3 mass haste enablers and 2-3 boots now that there's a third pair
>Oblivion Sower is the goat
>Strionic resonator is also really nice with her
>Since she scales with mana spent on her, casting her never feels bad and neither does ramp. So gilded lotus and echo storm are just nice as they push you forward a lot
>Slot in Crystal Shard to get her back
>Realise she's absolutely useless as soon as you've used up the spells at which point you have to remove her somehow or another. Trading her for something else with role reversal, trickster's god-heist or now shifting grift is a nice way to get extra value out of that.
She's incredibly versatile and switched things around a lot while playing her.

>>92578225
Stolen Strategy never felt good, so I cut it even from my Tasha deck. There are many more options that don't make you feel disappointed over half the time like synthetic pod.';

'I thought if you're running 10 fetches you could get away with a stupid low land count like the cedh lists I sometimes look it';

'>>92578322
Cedh Decks technically have more "lands" than they look like, it's just that a lot of them are artifacts';

'>>92578312
>Stolen strategy never felt good
it is definitely on the chopping block, probably going to replace it with laughing jasper flint. but in a deck like mine where there is a lot of ramp, 5 cmc enchantment that most people don't really care that much about because there are usually bigger targets to get rid of (warstorm surge, mind dilation, zendikar resurgance, cathar's crusade, etc.) and getting impulse draw 3 every turn is pretty nice, especially when my ramp can keep up casting all the spells exiled. personally, i don't like synthetic pod that much, it feels like a worse possibility storm, especially because a lot of theft cards aren't cheap to play, so i don't want to play 4+ mana for a theft card, another 1 mana+2 life/2 mana, and lose my original spell for god knows what. give me chaos wand and wand of wonder over synthetic pod.
>I cut it even from my Tasha deck
i mean, i hope you cut it from tasha. it's a red card and tasha is UB.';

'>>92578351
Ah, mixed it up with stolen goods. Stolen strategy seems fine, albeit a bit slow and expensive.

I haven't tried Synthetic Pod in Jevela since I refurbished it into a Nicol Bolas tribal before it came out, but it can be nice if you cast random spells from your opponents since it lets you use them as fuel for other better shit. Like return of the wild speaker is great when you have power on the board, but if the only creature you have is jeleva, you might as well toss it for a 6 mana spell.';

'>>92578369
>albeit a bit slow and expensive
the expensive part isn't an issue unless i drew a particularly bad opener, lots of dorks and ramp means i usually have 6ish mana on T4. the issue i usually find is i am able to cast bigger, better theft spells at the same time i could cast stolen strat. it's not terrible, like i said it is on the chopping block. but the value it accrues is usually good enough that i am never unhappy playing it. and like i also said, i am worried about trying to steal particular types of spells too much, because of the risk of going against someone who is not playing a lot of instants/sorceries or whatever. stolen strategy is type agnostic, i just cannot play lands that get exiled. old etali used to there with it, but i like strategy better even though i still have to pay for the spells. etali got fucked up in combat too many times, and whiffed too many times, to be good. strategy just sits there to do it's thing. still, i prefer plargg and nassari now for my upkeep theft trigger.';

'>play with some randos I'm never gonna see again
>say it's not THAT kind of deck
>proceed to play those kind of effects while technically not being THAT deck
>repeat in the next store
lmao gottem';

'>That one deck rotting on your shelf you haven't pulled out in forever
What's her name?';

'>>92579022
i've got around 25 decks. i only play about 5 of them regularly.
>dragons
>baral
>sram
>varina
>magus lucea kane
>feather
>alesha
those are the ones it has probably been the longest since i whipped em out.';

'>>92579022
>That one deck
If only it were one :)
>Mommy Norn
for some reason my casual(ish) playgroup doesn't like stax
>Sheoldred
Not even a good deck but my friends can't stand theft, even from GY
>Hinata
See norn
>Rowan
Turbo combo that wins on t3 is frowned upon in my play group
>Aeve, Progenitor Ooze
This one I at least kinda agree with them on, non-deterministic storm can be really unfun to have to sit through';

'>>92579022
His name is Alesha and he'll never be a real woman, but he'll always be my favorite Mardu aggro commander';

'>>92579071
>>Sheoldred
>Not even a good deck but my friends can't stand theft, even from GY
you literally have to play it, then activate it (conditional), then wait 2 turns for the rise of the dark realms effect. sheoldred is not a theft/reanimator commander, she is another stax/edict commander.
>>Rowan
>Turbo combo that wins on t3 is frowned upon in my play group
turbo combo but is also the definition of a glass cannon. like, if rowan is removed after you've played her, you've lost. and if you fill your deck with more protection/not dead after all type shit, then you are diluting the deck and making the combos worse.';

'>>92579126
You don't have to explain my own decks to me';

'>>92579126
>then wait 2 turns for the rise of the dark realms effect
I run a bunch of proliferate in the deck so generally the turn she transforms I will be ulting the saga
Really I run the deck more as a Gary symmetrical mill reanimation deck than an edict deck';

'>>92579147
more just pointing out how retarded it is to complain about those commanders
>>92579154
how much prolif is in black that it becomes problem that you are flipping her and completing the saga in one go? that's a lot of mana, at the very least.';

'Just got done building Rivaz of the Claw. Deck is fun and lets you use some of the cooler rakdos dragons that are overshadowed by broken shit like Miryam when you have more colors. Dont sleep on brainstealer dragon';

'>>92579582
>Dont sleep on brainstealer dragon
i don't, i run it in my ur-dragon deck and my theft deck.';

'think fast';

'post you' are favorite niche removal/interaction';

'>>92579582
anon, it's a reprint';

'>>92579607
anyone who says that will get suckerpunched. had it comin'';

'>>92579756
imp's mischief or withering boon';

'>>92579756
What /fit/ mode is this';

'>>92579756
That's some lazy ass art';

'>>92579839';

'>>92579920
At least they drew a background';

'>>92579788
nice choice';

'>>92577585
Oh hey I thought you died';

'>>92577679
>>92577689
Built for childhood friend facefucking';

'>>92579969
there was this white card with just an orange circle (sun?) as the background that I really liked
cannot remember the card name';

'>>92580041
I got you covered.';

'>>92577998
Yes. Infect and Toxic would not, though';

'>>92577295
I'd love to see this happen
>guy puts down fallout orb
>some neckbeard stands up, stops the game, and quits because of his epic UB hate';

'>>92580115
I wish this card was playable. It's aesthetic as fuck';

'>>92580293
Yeah it's really awful. I remember opening it in a pack back in the day and was surprised how bad it was, and power creep has not helped in the slightest. It's only now with age that I understand what they were trying to do (evasive creature for limited with a cost that synergized with Madness/Threshold) but they were extremely conservative on how much mana everything should cost.';

'I want to go back to mono red, got bunch of cards laying around already as I had daretti/feldon/valduk previously but disassembled them into random decks
Who do I go for this time?
my pod fringes between high power / low budget cEDH';

'>>92580414
... but recently stepped down on power level about to adjust to our LGS, posted too early
like werewolf tribal level';

'>>92575642 #
All of your decks sound like cancer other than Magar. If you’re getting focused every game, you need to have a convo with your friends about why.

If they’re dogshit so they feel like they need to team up to take you down, you have to power down or get them up to your level. If they don’t want to get good then power up and embrace the challenge.';

'Last thread I was told my decks are cancer:

>Umbris mill - spellslinger exile mill / 3 counter spells and 2 wipes
>Don Andres outlaw/pirate stompy / 30 creatures, 1 board wipe, runs new obeka as secret commander with ruinous powers, stolen strategy etc
>Auntie blyte - indiscriminate burn / ancient runes, only one lifelink artifact, ancient runes, storm world etc
>Magar of the magical strings / strong deck, runs sheoldred rise of the eldrazi etc
>Obeka, brute chronologist / can pop off and win, strong deck
>2nd doctor/vislor draw / meme hug deck that can win
>Lynde curse/enchantment deck / weaker deck that uses despotic scepter and claws of gix as political sac outlets

Are my decks cancer? If you see one of these commanders do you just lose your shit? I've seen a proxied/net deck ur dragon deck get less hate than some of mine, which are often from people who have never even seen the deck';

'>>92580927
Who calls your decks cancer?
Your friends? Take them seriously.
Random faggots on the internet? Tell them to suck a dick and choke on it.';

'>>92580927
This thread is retarded and you shouldn't listen to anyone here.

Also based other 2nd doctor/vislor chad';

'>>92579022
My Esper lifeswap with Lich effects deck. One, it needs a stronger commander - it's only using Merieke for the colors. Two, it needs more lifeswap, but it's not a thing Magic does much any more.';

'>>92580927
every ur dragon player I've ever met is a complete unrepentant loser.

>ur dragon loser #1
>net deck supreme, proxies every dual land etc
>now regularly loses
>made a cedh niv mizzet with 25+ counterspells
>loses, pulls out cedh
>counters everything for 3 rounds
>draws into infinite combo, wins
>'that was fun!' - faggot
^ The only time people play with him is when they are forced to, and the LGS will now step in and stop them from playing cedh in casual commander signups

>ur dragon loser #2
>net deck supreme, printed proxies dual land etc
>plays dragon tempest/terror of the peaks and has force of will, mana drain
>gets assblasted that the izzet player is helping counter his counters countering my counters thats countering majestic genesis
>slides a high powered deck against a literal my little pony deck, other meme decks
>focuses me and the izzet player from the game before';

'>>92580275
I always have a chuckle at the UB hate in the threads because all the people that actually play don't care';

'>>92580927
Don is absolutely cancer, you make the game unfun for everyone';

'These are what I have built, the only deck I know that isn't fun to play against is my savra deck, I only played yuriko once and didn't do shit and I didn't have fun playing so I don't know what I wanna do for her, I'm starting to pick up stuff for gruul omnath since I've been playtesting him a lot, I also still wanna build tatsunari or teysa
>imperium precon
>Amalia vampire tribal
>Savra
>Aurelia exemplar
>Necron precon
>20$ yuriko
>Tasha';

'>>92581171
I don't run hand theft or much of any draw. This is a 30 creature stompy deck that is more thematic than not, I USED to run revel in riches but that was lame';

'Anyone else have way too many decks in planning? I really should get off my ass and finish the ones that are close. That'd at least get four or five out of fifteen done.';

'>>92580115
must look good in foil';

'>>92581164
>people that still play don't care
FTFY anon';

'>>92581164
Not caring is what leads people to use gawdy pieces of shit like UB cards lol. All the fags Doctor Who brought in are legitimately the worst people to play against. Half my pod uses 40k cards, and I’ve had good games with randos using Street Fighter commanders, anything else and it’s been a spergfest where everyone pretends they’re on Game Knights. The only upside to that is the tantrums when most of my removal goes to them.';

'>>92580927
Sounds about right';

'>>92581367
t';

'>>92581344
I love the bizarre assumption that people using those cards were brought in rather than already existing.';

'>>92581290
>Rafiq One Word Spells or Full Art
It’s the full arts keeping this from being fully sleeved up
>Ovika Nightmare Flavour
>Yenna Selesnya Curses
>Maeve Goad / Funny Interactions
Maeve is probably the most I’m motivated towards finishing, just because of how much retards hate goad.';

'>>92578306
everything more than 10 basics for 3 color decks is too much';

'>>92581397
>all the fags Doctor Who brought in
I’m talking about one particular group, not trying to lump in the faggots who were already into MTG and bought the cards. The only one with a bizarre assumption is you (but here’s an assumption from me, you’re a huge fag).';

'>>92581421
Why are you assuming people using doctor who cards were brought in recently?';

'>>92578221
Just focus on green, and use green's stupid mana fixing to carry 80% of the weight for you.';

'>>92581403
nah';

'>>92577495
>Which burn commander should I build for FNM?

Zo-Zu the Punisher.';

'Looking to make pic related into a Voltron commander. What are some good dimir cards that support Voltron shit?';

'>>92581421
I'm someone who wanted to get into magic when they announced 40k long ago, but I already played lots of card games, but I got started with kamigawa before I picked up any 40k stuff, the only UB hate I can understand is my buddy who dislikes the cards being exclusive to UB or making them work with already existing types';

'Can you make a non degenerate version of najeela and do full warrior tribal';

'>>92581509';

'>>92581384
No one in my LGS plays atraxa since the commander anthology came out';

'>>92581509
Probably, but people will probably get mad at you for sandbagging instead of doing the optimal thing because that's what they'll expect.';

'>>92581645
My pod already knows il make my decks worse if it means keeping the deck pure tribal or keeping the flavor';

'>>92581645
that's utterly retarded';

'>>92577495
Might not be what you're looking for, but I like big burn with Ziatora. It's all setup for the first few turns, but then you suddenly blast out 20 damage in one hit and it keeps coming every turn. She even pays her own commander tax when they remove her.';

'Real big fan of this card. Making a deck around it hopefully. I'm more of less happy with the deck outside if the maybe swap part. Any suggestions, ideally on theme removal/draw but open to anything

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7054775/white_moon_smithy';

'>>92579022
Gwyn
It sucks';

'>>92581748
It's a pretty decent card desu. I have it in my Teysa clue deck';

'>>92579022
Bruvac
Unfun as fuck to play and the only way to win is just to suddenly kill people out of fucking nowhere with shit like traumatize, which obviously leads to salt when someone pays 5 mana to insta-kill you.
I also don't bust out 10/Adric deck enough. Not sure why. I just have a lot of decks. Been trying to play it more, though.';

'>>92581748
I use it in my Rocco deck and really wish to replace it for better suited flavor, but can't bring myself to take it out';

'>>92581290
I have Caesar, Liberty Prime and Roxanne in planning and I have a forever project with Othelm and Wernog. I have basically everything done besides cutting and sleeving, but it's been a pile of cards waiting to be built for over a year now for some reason.';

'All me btw';

'>>92581716
Much like a large portion of this game's playerbase. People have brainrot from constantly being pushed into, exposed to and hearing about meta strategies.

People will completely ignore my decks until I play one meta card and then they instantly start theorycrafting how I'm going to win the game and target the shit out of me, or remove the card and get facefucked by an actual threat because now they don't have removal.';

'>>92581716
Sandbagging is wrong anon';

'>>92581910
>nanogenes can bring back the dead
>doctor who never uses them to help anyone in the series ever
>also gives rose shit for wanting something but then gives Donna a winning lottery ticket
why is the doctor such an asshole?';

'>>92581953
I don't know, I don't watch that show';

'>>92581953
the doctor and all of the time lords are canonically evil';

'>>92581953
Sounds like poorly written garbage';

'>>92581384
What the fuck did you expect? That we call you based and say your friends are le heckin redditors? Then what? Go back to tell your friends some fags on the internet said you're right? You are autistic as fuck. You the umbrisnigger who always throws a fit?';

'Talk me out of it';

'>>92580927
>2nd Doc/Vislor
Actually curious about this. I was thinking of making them but with an added "hands revealed" gimmick so I can finally have an excuse to play the Thoughtsieze rotting in my box.';

'>>92582151
selesnya is furry
boros is straight
>>ASSWJK';

'>>92581951
>you literally cannot play that commander because
fuck off';

'>>92581953
>>doctor who never uses them to help anyone in the series ever
I don't recall if it was the same thing, but he absolutely gave some similar shit to Ashildur. And it bit him in the fucking ass, too. It was also stated it's not something he has a bunch of or some shit. I don't even remember where it came from

Seriously, shit would have gone so much better for him if he let game of thrones girl die.';

'>>92582131
this thread isn't his friends';

'>>92582151
it's ooga booga shit that will lose to a single interaction spell';

'>>92581439
Hmm maybe. I do have him from the old goblin deck. I feel like he'd be better in the 99 of Ojer. Maybe an Ojer goblin build?

Got more of a sales pitch for him as commander?

>>92581742
I always like the flavor of running a dragon in EDH, and hadn't heard of this one (but I generally dislike new capenna), I'll look into it. Was trying to etick to mono red but I'll playtest a list. Thanks, anon.';

'>>92582378
give me alternatives';

'>>92582131
I've had my umbris deck for less than week, and have played 3 games with it, also these aren't my friends, I just want to make a deck that is chill that doesn't cause these normies to sperg the fuck out if I don't run do thing draw card commander. I was gauging your comments as what other retards would see.

I'm just going to turn my fun jank umbris into phenax and with more counters and make it oppressive, but don andres I'll convert to rakdos or new obeka. Still need to find a fun deck that isn't triggering

>>92582210
https://archidekt.com/decks/6616497/drawforce

older version of my deck, need to update my decklists';

'>>92582469
Phenax is chill.';

'Orzhov used to be the color of hot chicks.
what went wrong?';

'>>92582523
you started cherry picking';

'>>92582567
post the last hot orzhov chick.
first prints only';

'>>92582523';

'>>92581945
This irritates me. One of my first decks was OG Narset Voltron. It used to have a single extra combat and extra turn spell in it, but I removed them just because that was the meta for it (and ridiculously good, as almost anyone can tell you). Recently, when I've used it, people have been giving me shit for now not including them. It's infuriating.';

'>>92582579
>pig unrelated';

'>>92581425
I’m done replying to ESL posters. >>92581501
They shouldn’t be exclusive, I agree with your friend very much.';

'I've got no fucking clue what deck to build';

'>>92582590
>he says while posting Selenia, Teysa 1 and Ayli';

'Post angel creature decks that aren't Giada or Kaalia nonsense. I've found that angels in general suck ass and I've yet to find a commander or strategy to make them not trash besides Kaalia being broken and Giada being braindead boring.';

'>>92581384
I’m so confused and almost wish there was a survey.
Is cedh big or not? I look at this list and see a buncha jank and zero of the big cedh common names besides maybe Kenrith, Shorikai, Korvald and Yuriko but in my town you basically can’t play because everyone’s running some form of hyper-optimized partner commanders. Also a lot of youtubers seem to only put out cedh content.';

'>>92581384
I have 8 of those out of my 31 decks.';

'>>92582702
>is cedh big or not
cedh is super small.
>people net decking boring commanders full of high power staples and call it a 7/10?
gigantic.';

'>>92582686
Use one of the Aurelias, is not great but it's still angels, I broke apart my kaalia deck and made Aurelia my commander just to play boros angels since I wanted to actually get to play my deck';

'>>92582702
Command zone has a monopoly on edh, or their specific affiliates';

'Youtube cedh is probably only common because of how novel it is';

'>>92582753
I really like watching a bunch of the cedh channels, play to win is pretty nice, honestly wanna get into cedh since it looks like a lot of fun';

'>>92582741
Man, if I wanted to lose every game I play I would love to play Aurelia. Unfortunately I like having at least 10% chance of victory in a given game, so I will not be playing Aurelia.

Also, Aurelia the Warleader doesn't count. That's a voltron deck, not an angel creatures deck.';

'I don't enjoy control, aggro or combo
What' do';

'>>92582788
you play midrange. got aspects of all three, but doesn't lean fully into any of them. that, or stop playing the game.';

'>>92582785
I didn't expect it to be good, but I wanted to play my angel deck, even when I made kaalia pure angels I never got to play her since she was countered or removed instantly even when someone's about to win the game next turn kaalia is still the threat';

'building Alela but with only cards with cool art, preferably wispy art to compliment faeries and such. Any good synergy cards with great art? I'm going through literally every art of every card in the colors right now, but would love to hear what art you guys like in esper colors/artifact/lands';

'>>92582798
what are some midrange commanders?';

'>>92582686
Play mtg Lucifer';

'>>92582733
I guess the image just hit me with some weird form of dissonance. I and maybe two other people show up at locals using things out of the box when every other person has some form of tymna/kraum or kinnan and seeing that list of popular stuff just looked weird to me.';

'>>92582812
use scryfall search with "unique art" instead of "cards"';

'>>92582590
>pig
You're lying to yourself and you know it';

'>>92582865
funny how that fanart completely ingores her giraffe neck';

'>>92582813
i use karador for classic abzan midrange. deck tries to mimic what old modern pod decks did, with finks and siege rhino. feels great to play, and we still get goodies every now and then, like pic related. honestly, just build a 99 you like in the strategy you want and then stick whatever commander works in the colours at the helm. worst case ontario, you build a 5c midrange deck and throw 5c omnath or kenrith at the helm and call it a day.';

'>>92582865
YJK';

'>>92582840
this will save me hours of work, thanks anon';

'>>92582840
>>92582985
I'm trying to get this to work, but I can't find this particular criteria- how do I change the criteria from cards to art?';

'>>92583031
im retarded';

'>>92582313

It was stuff from the aliens in the episode anon, and it only made her immortal because she was struck by lightning

Now, if you want to make the point that healing trinket that accidentally makes you immortal is retarded I agree, but that's a setting flaw rather than a character one';

'>>92583031';

'Is there a sensible way I can search for outlaw creatures on scryfall, rather than t:rogue OR t:assassin etc?';

'>>92583088
is:outlaw';

'>>92583047
Didn't he also give one to some other guy so she didn't have to live alone?';

'>>92583141

He gave her a second one for when she found a "companion", but she hadn't used it 1000 years later, until she ended up using it to resurrect a thief she tried to sacrifice so her lion boyfriend

okay writing this out I'm now realising how retarded that plotline was';

'>>92583201
Been years since I saw the episodes. Never rewatched those because I hated Me/Ashildur. The only good thing she did was lead up to Heaven sent';

'Does this work on death triggers?';

'>>92583289
Yes, as death causes the permanent to leave the battlefield.';

'I am still confused by the guy who said you could blink the 14th doctor to get multiple triggers to fill the graveyard with doctors.';

'>>92583356
Maybe the guy meant that he bounced and recast it. I am arguing in good faith, but most likely the guy didn't even read the card.';

'This guy... Ohohoho, this guy. My, my, my, what a... This one... Hahaha.';

'>>92583384
Also would Clara even double the trigger of the 14th doctor? I actually don't know, since it's on Cast and not ETB. He isn't on the field yet.';

'>>92583409
Yeah I ain't paying 15 dollars for that lmao';

'Anyone have success with One Punch Bird in EDH?';

'>>92583422
15 yuan then?
For once, Wizards doesn't put "only once a turn" on a card and it has an ability that stacks exponentially. Come on. Just try him. Just once.';

'>>92583450
Putting a single +1/+1 counter on my creatures isn't worth that.';

'>>92583422
This. The card is good but I can't see myself paying more than $7-8 for a copy. Either it drops in price or I'll eventually proxy it.';

'>>92583446
Plenty of cards like this already in edh and they're all kinda mediocre';

'>>92583410
I believe it would, because it's still a triggered ability from a Doctor you control, just that Doctor is a spell, not a creature. Clara doesn't specify Doctor creature, just 'Doctor'.';

'>>92583409
>Mono green landfall and +1/+1 counters matter commander';

'>>92583455
I, too, judge cards on half their text box. Hell, if his art wasn't a funky little cactus man, I wouldn't have bothered with the text at all.
But here I am, sucking his dick, going infinite and beating face with big, juicy creatures.';

'>>92583526
>Clara doesn't specify Doctor creature, just 'Doctor'.
Good point';

'>>92583450
I just find this guy a more interesting version of that sort of exponential stacking, even if it's once per turn.';

'>>92583410
I would be inclined to say no because of how Clara is worded. Since her rules text states "a Doctor" instead of "a Doctor card", I would say it only affects permanents and not spells.';

'>>92583530
Mono green landfall is based as fuck';

'>>92583409
Why is mono green so boring?';

'>>92583542
>furry
>white
>once a turn
>built in protection
>gay sword
I like to keep my dignity, for one.';

'>>92583564
because green is boring';

'>>92583551
It would usually specify a creature if it cared about permanents. 14 on the stack is still a Doctor you control.';

'>>92583553
I appreciate the deep cut lore pulls they sometimes do. Now where the fuck is Taysir.';

'>>92583542
I actually agree, this guy is based.
Bristly bill needs too much mana to activate twice per turn';

'>>92583603
You don't control it while it's on the stack';

'>>92583673
Yes, you do. That's how spells work.';

'>roaming throne works on eminence';

'>>92582702
Something to keep in mind is that these are compiled from online decklists within the last two years, which gives a bias to specific commanders that have both at least two years of being the best at their specific thing and also the kind of commander that people would want to post their list of online. Real life is going to be filled with people playing commanders who fell out of popularity or are popular to just copy-paste lists from EDHRec. It's very likely those partner players at your locals sure as fuck aren't putting their decklists online, because most of the time they're probably near exact copies of tournament winning lists.
>Also a lot of youtubers seem to only put out cedh content.
Vanilla EDH discussion is pretty heavily saturated by the Command Zone and a few other larger channels, so if you want to get your foot in the door as a Youtuber you either need to play toward a niche (cEDH) or go hyper contrarian (that one snail fuck). There's also a reasonably sized audience of people who want to see high powered cEDH but do not want to get into it themselves, so it's easy to put on a show for these people just by being regular with cEDH content.';

'>>92583750
She still doesn't work with 14.';

'>>92583764
Oh that's kinda gross';

'>>92583793
It doesn't. I was lying.';

'>>92583764
A commander card that isn't on the battlefield isn't a creature you control.';

'>>92582523
This card from the same set as literally the first Teysa. Ya cherrypicker.';

'>>92583804
Okay well that's good to know.';

'>>92579022
Niambi teferi tribal.
It's just azorius super teferi friends but it just sits on the board state so fucking hard I can't justify playing with friends with it. 99% of the time I've played it it's ended in me announcing I have infinite turns and asking the table whether they want to actually play it out where I kill them 1-2 damage/turn until I draw Cyclonic or not.';

'>>92581910
Im going to put this on my ovika deck, thanks!

>get 4 gobbos on cast
>my 30 other gobbies are now copies of ovika
>make 9 quadrillion other gobs

The best the deck did was 122,000 goblins in one turn and 4000 damage done with 11 copies of ovika out. Sucked for me because my gf was piloting the deck and I’ve never been able to replicate it. My biggest win was 55 extra turns thanks to surge to victory or 100 myriad goblins';

'>>92582686';

'>>92582824
I play her, purely because I loved the story when I first started playing during Urza's.';

'>>92583553
normalize land destruction and ramp hate to bully greenigs';

'>>92582686
>>92583912
This just because it's flying tribal not angel tribal';

'>>92583988
>>He doesn't make it angel flying tribal';

'>>92583974
go for it, I'll just play more lands';

'>>92583974
land destruction mostly hurts non-green since green has access to returning lands from graveyard.
Everyone should be running some variation of field of ruin/demo field/strip mine/wasteland to remove problematic nonbasics.';

'>>92584048
This is actually a very reasonable response. Every strategy has a counter strategy. Even the counter strategies have counter strategies.';

'>Naya dragons
Is she fun? For casual play with poorfag dragons.
Of the three other Naya legendary dragons, one is just too mana heavy, the other two have meme abilities.';

'>>92583929
Your reaction to pic-related?';

'>>92584048
nu-uh';

'There are no fun commanders, everything just gets boring after 3-5 games';

'>>92584209
oh no an artifact in mono g what ever will I do';

'>>92584224
Yes, novelty is an essential part of fun, what age did you reach before you learned this?';

'>>92584226
nothing because we don't have lands';

'>propaganda
>norns annex
>ghostly prison
>crawl space
>painful quandary
>blind obedience

Don’t attack me';

'Nice spell you've got there';

'This boy or daretti?';

'>>92584183
Flavor win nice.';

'>>92584261
>crawl space
based card.';

'>>92584261
you forgot something there mate';

'Where does /edhg/ get their custom playmats from? I am making a dino deck and I want one that is Reptar-themed';

'>>92584261
Bro your collective restraint?';

'>>92584660
Inked playmats is probably your best bet';

'any spicy tech for pic? trying to do land destruction as a theme but wondering if theres any intersting interactions i haven't heard of';

'>>92584261
>auton soldier archon of cruelty
>blade of selves
>overload corporeal projection

I'm sorry asshole, what?';

'>>92584279
>cast call forth the tempest
>blue player counterspells it
>cast this targeting a counterspell on the stack
>retarget it at the counterspell
it always gets blue players so heated when their shit gets interacted with lol';

'Mail came today';

'>>92584701
on god, if you want to play this sort of game just play Korvold or the Boborygmos Enraged reprint instead';

'>>92584261
why does everyone always forget my pet card';

'>>92584809
WHO WON THE LOTTERY?';

'>>92584809
what's the deal with the clue land';

'>>92584809
>buying cards printed in current year
SLOP';

'>>92584261
Updated list

>propaganda
>norns annex
>ghostly prison
>crawlspace
>painful quandary
>blind obedience
>wind borne muse
>no mercy
>defense grid
>elephant grass
>spore frog
>witch king of angmar
>the golden throne
>platinum angel
>platinum empyrean
>ascetisis
>counterbalance

Don’t look at my board';

'>>92584701';

'>>92584809
I also got mail';

'>>92584910
I like it';

'>>92584930
based proxy bro';

'>>92584952
I would like to thank the anon who made the mockup a couple days ago';

'>>92584236
>novelty is an essential part of fun
Are you 5?';

'>>92584673
This, I've been buying mats from them for many years
I don't buy official maps with giant trademarks slapped on them';

'>>92585055
>he doesn’t use the playmat made by his local LGS

You’re killing gaming';

'>>92585078
The stores near me only stock Ultra pro mats
And I like to change mats alot
I think I have like 26 mats and I wanted to get a new one soon';

'Why are dragon tribal players so freaking handsome and cool??? It's not fair bros.';

'>>92585168
Mogged by angel tribal players';

'Can moonsilver key grab a double faced card that has a mana ability on the backside?';

'>>92585213
Yes because the backside is a part of the card it's just unplayable a lot of the time.';

'>>92585078
I have never seen a store sell their own custom mats';

'>>92585168
>Dragon player at my LGS shows up with the secret lair nicol bolas, the ravager as his commander
>Thinking he's finally going to play a different deck
>Doesn't play his commander once and wins off dragonstorm at storm count 9
>It was just dragon tribal with spellslinger flavoring';

'>>92585213
No, in the deck the card only counts as its front.';

'>>92583409
I got a pack on a whim. Got the special mana drain and this in it';

'>>92582686
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zk8wjShFlkeeg7dwLi6RtQ
This is mine that started off as Boros Legion flavoured with Aurelia at the helm, then full on switched to Double Strike Gisela and is now a mix of Angels and good boros cards with Double Strike still being the main gameplan.';

'>>92585222
>>92585260
Thank you /edhg/ I'm inclined to believe the guy who says no because that's what I thought when I asked but I'll ask more';

'What's some good tokens to populate in Sultai besides obvious copies of creatures? Currently most of my token generation comes from planeswalkers and saga's and I want to know what else there is';

'>>92585347
I thought Populate and Proliferate were the same thing.';

'>>92585347
You can make a fuckton of 8/8 hexproof krakens with Kiora Bests the Sea God by removing lore counters.
Urza construct tokens are also good to copy';

'>>92585347
Gruff Triplets.';

'>>92585249
> Dragonstorm win
Omega based desu';

'>>92585347
Got room for a little jank?';

'>>92585249
>Want him to play a different deck
>He plays a different deck
Why are you upset?';

'I really like this thing, it's just an artifact that you can use to loot every turn for free(which is even more useful since you're probably running this in a deck that cares about the graveyard) which later in the game can become a land that taps for 15+ mana';

'>>92585347
Just by looking at tokens with high power on scryfall, you have various Kiora tokens, Desolation Twin/Ancient Stone Idol, Titan Forge, Eternalized Timeless Witness, Quest for the Gravelord, Reef Worm, Penumbra Wurm, and if you're going with Foods or Elves, Giant Opportunity and Voice of the Woods. Not even mentioning the variety of X/X tokens out there.
>>92585361
I wish Populate was more like Proliferate. Making a copy of a single token is only as good as the tokens you have available, and you still only get one. Proliferate can optionally hit every counter on all boards and players, it's was easier to build with.';

'>>92585488
Populate would be kind of broken if it was like Proliferate, though. I do kinda wish it didn't specify creature token, though.';

'>>92585484
>The great door
I didn't know there was a Persona 3 crossover';

'>>92585479
HE ALWAYS PLAYS THE SAME FUCKING DECK
IT'S ALWAYS SOME FUCKING ENGINE TO TURBO OUT DRAGONS AND CHEAT THEM INTO PLAY THEN TURN THEM SIDEWAYS
I WANT HIS AUTISTIC ASS TO PLAY LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE
I WAS WILLING TO PLAY AGAINST NICOL BOLAS STAX DISCARD THAT'S HOW OFTEN HE DOES IT
BUT NO HIS COMMANDER WAS JUST A VANITY PIECE BECAUSE IT HAD "DRAGON" IN ITS TYPELINE AND 3 COLORS
I WANT MY TABLE TO REALIZE HE'S ARCHENEMY BEFORE HE WINS JUST ONE FUCKING TIME';

'>>92585569
let the man enjoy his dragons';

'>>92585484
I run this in raven man it's green';

'>>92585569
What are you playing that can't compete with Dragonstorm, Warp World, and Sneak Attack? Do you always play the same deck and refuse to add more removal?';

'>>92577587
>X is bad
>wut about Y
Both are annoying spam retard.';

'>>92585615
>Just always have overload cyclonic rift ready';

'>>92585627
Yet janny only deletes posts about gay bolas and loot bad.
Curious... makes one wonder what's happening in future expansions since it's known janny is on wotc payroll...';

'undefined';

'how do I win with this?
infinite mana into X damage to all players? I wanna play this out and shoot creatures down but what's the end game to close a game out?';

'>>92585597
Are you the anon who runs him as a cycling deck, or is there someone else here who plays him?';

'>>92585727
pingers work. deck can be made similar to ghyrson starn, but you put mana into it to increase damage, but also increases for everything in the turn thereafter. a goblin bombardment after you have payed 3 mana into it turns every bombardment trigger into 4 damage. you could run guttersnipe, electrostatic field, etc. and a bunch of impulse draw to storm off, just make sure to put a few mana into the ability so that every spell burns for more. rings of brighthearth/illusionists bracers make it so you can get some really big numbers for far less mana.';

'>>92585569
Tell me, what turn was his dragonstorm cast?';

'>>92585569
you know kibler?';

'>>92585760
Ah, I see. Makes sense. For whatever reason I read it as the next source gets +(X). This makes way more sense';

'>>92585727';

'>>92585647
Or any number of other solutions to a player who always wins with combat damage';

'If I remove the counters on Quest For Pure Flame and then tap Heartless Hidetsugu who dies first? Do I win or is it a 4-way draw?';

'>>92585927
It's a tie assuming everyone has an even life total.';

'>>92585933
I mean, im the one who made us tie, so that's like kind of a moral win right?
Ill take the win.';

'>>92585959
>>92585959
If you initiate the draw condition, you get to brag about winning because you got what you wanted and nobody else got what they wanted. It's not a win according to the rules of the game, but those rules don't have any effect once the game ends.';

'>>92585877
>Red (the color of dragons) has no way to beat fog';

'>>92585727
Why does whis card even bother to have white in it's identity? What does white add to what it wants to do?';

'>>92586030
More deckbuilding functionality for commander players.';

'>>92586003
I wish this card wasn't expensive as fuck.';

'>>92586030
It’s a boon for commander and a restriction for constructed and limited.';

'When is the Mega Man cross over? It needs to happen.';

'>>92586099
After the Monster Hunter and Dragaylia Lust crossovers.';

'>>92586108
Monster Hunter's probably the most likely of existing Capcom properties after SF already got one.';

'>>92586099
Megaman crossover good but only if we get at least one (one) Protomen reference.';

'>>92586019
Only one of those is a fog, and the fog I posted has flashback, so Final Fortune effects are a terrible answer. Here's 4 more.';

'>>92582151
Keeping track of the different sources of buffs is a colossal pain in the ass';

'>>92586030
White has had access to conditional direct damage in various forms since the beginning';

'>>92582590
You are out of your fucking mind, anon';

'>Modern Horizons 3 is next
Im ready for a ton of new OP staples to shake up the meta.';

'>>92586458
30% commander bait
30% insanely pushed powercreep
20% both
20% unplayable garbage "for the draft experience"';

'>>92586503
Even Maro's Homogenization 3 needs bulk commons to force people to buy multiple packs to get playsets of the good stuff.';

'>>92586192
Chandra's tits look pretty big in that art';

'I want less power creep. I actually liked MKM for the fact that it didn’t have a slew of outrageous, format breaking cards, it just enhanced pre-existing play styles such as clues and morph. It didn’t even make those play styles stronger, it just added more tools.

Maybe I’m a fool tho';

'Underrated';

'>get pulled into the game by friends
>build 25 decks in a year
>nobody besides one guy wants to play anymore
>two friends keep insisting that I have now way more experience than them because I built more decks and that I'm now out of their league
it's bullshit. I want to keep playing so I'm going to check out my LGS next week. any unwritten rules? my decks are fairly simple, my favorite style is variations of boros beatdown.';

'>>92585347
10/10 eldrazis';

'>>92586680
You are a fool. Why buy shit if its not gonna make me win more';

'>>92586684
Its shit. +1/+1 counter spam is everywhere, rendering that card useless.';

'>>92581748
i update it feedback pls ;-; i just will heavily mulligan for a hand that can get me smithy quick and then it works out its fun (in a vacuum)';

'>>92587057
>friends insist youre out of their league
Just play precons against them.

>unwritten rules
Dont get salty when you lose unless you want to be known as the local tard.';

'>>92587057
Bring a range of powerlevels, precon included.';

'>>92587083
Because I want games to last more than 4 turns';

'>>92587090
also removal is bad because ward is everywhere';

'>>92587243
4 turns? Sorry kiddo, once Kinnan came out the cEDH meta rarely goes past turn 2.';

'>>92587114
>Just play precons against them.
my decks are basically optimized precons, I'm really not playing any crazy stuff.
losing is not a problem for me because I don't play to win, I just enjoy playing
>>92587220
I'm not sure how to define them, but I guess I can bring a precon, a flavor deck, and a deck optimized on a specific mechanic.';

'>>92587258
>tfw watching how ridiculous krrik is in cedh and the amount of games he can win on turn 1';

'>>92587321
So Commander as a format is pretty much dead then? If I wanted to win tournaments I'd just run that?';

'>>92587472
"The Format" is still 99% casual, but Kinnan + $5000 is one of the top combos to run if you are competing for serious money, yes.';

'>>92587472
krrik can do some bullshit but i dont even think hes top tier in cedh
also, do you want to play cedh or casual commander, because they are very different, theres only 1 cedh pod at my locals compared to the other 40 people playing casual
cedh is literally playing the best cards to win and everyone at the table also understands that';

'>>92587498
I love when you faggots talk about CEDH and prove you no absolutely nothing. Kinnan is shit now. Kinnan never performs at tournaments anymore
>>92587321
krrik isnt even good in cedh rn and the cedh meta is currently midrange hell. games rarely ever end before turn 4';

'>>92587623
from what ive seen atraxa, tymna/kraum, and najeela are really good right now, i dont have the money to get into cedh but it looks a lot of fun and ive been watching a ton of cedh
i still kinda want to build najeela';

'>>92587623
>Kinnan is bad
Kinnan is only stopped by having two colors and one of them is green. Kraum/Tymna is still probably #1 with other options like Sisay/Najeela being available, but Kinnan is still easily #2.';

'>>92587623
There were multiple Kinnan decks in the top 8 of the Topdeck Championship Series in February.

https://commandersherald.com/state-of-the-metagame-a-cedh-tier-list-for-2024/';

'>>92587282
>I'm not sure how to define them
This is what my playgroup uses, it works for us';

'>>92587906
In the last 3 big cedh tournaments kinnans top8 % wasn't even double digits. The deck is objectively weak right now';

'>>92587967
>The top 8 percentage is above zero
>That means it's weak';

'>>92585727
I just won by putting down a fiery inscription and guttersnipe, then tapping her for 3 and burning the table for 20 with a vandalblast and wheel of misfortune';

'i cannot stop making mono U decks, they are so much more fun than any other mono color and can be played in so many different ways with the same core cards and a different shell
>merfolk
>control
>artifacts
>mill
>clones
>sphinxes
>crabs
>forcefeed
>storm
>polymorph';

'>>92588415
Here's a ter list for mono colored decks:
>White
>Blue
>Red
>Colorless
>Green
>Black
If you're not willing to spend $100+ on your deck, it changes to:
>Green
>Red
>Blue
>Black
>White
>Colorless
Funny enough, black is one of the best colors to add to a deck, but it's lacking on its own compared to the others.';

'>>92588483
NTA but I've been trying to build a monocolor deck of each color forever and just have never found a black one that's even remotely interesting';

'>>92588483
i already have a deck for each color thankfully just my blue decks are slowly starting to outnumber them, enderek, heliod, feldon and seton are my mono color non blues
>>92588496
enderek is my main squeeze for black, outside of edh black is my favorite color, sadly my pod absolutely detests i bring discard into edh so alas im stuck with my blue decks';

'>>92588483
>Funny enough, black is one of the best colors to add to a deck, but it's lacking on its own compared to the others.
>Second best ramp thanks to coffers and crypt ghast
>Best tutors to get them out as soon as you need them
>Card draw out of the ass to never ran out of gas
>Life gain by draining your opponents
>Doubles as a wincon thanks to Gary
>Incredibly good cards like Bolas' Citadel to round things up
The fuck do you mean black is lacking? Green is the only colour that can compete with it.';

'>>92588496
The first list is based on cEDH results, the second one is based on how easy it is to make a "powerful" deck for less than $100. I don't buy into the argument about whether a commander is interesting or not, since the details of an individual deck are inherently less interesting than the interactions between a group of decks.';

'>>92588496
Take the Grey Pill';

'>>92588584
MonoW is only "good" in cEDH because it's the best at staxing tables that have a really hard time handling a resolved Rule of Law (of which you have like 5 copies now). Its actual powerlevel varies wildly by table.';

'>>92588605
wish there were more colorless commanders';

'>>92588793
Part of me wants to agree, but the other part understands there's nothing really going on with it beyond artifacts and eldrazi, and decks centered around those tend to lead to very uninteresting play patterns.';

'>>92588793
>>92589019
We could always get new tribal commanders for things like constructs, golems, and assembly workers. Maybe spice it up and make a new legendary juggernaut.';

'https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2H9G5Gk-akeIErMMjipynw

Tips on how to improve this deck?
If left completely unchecked it lethals the table by turn 6... I know playing voltron is a lost cause but I just think he's neat.';

'>>92589092
commander';

'>>92589019
it's not the artifacts or creatures, it's the lack of instants, sorceries, and enchantments. There's plenty of different things to do with artifacts and colorless creatures, but the only payoff will ever be bigger artifacts and colorless creatures because there's literally nothing else it could do.';

'>>92586666
Chandra's general design has always been hilariously variable. "Red hair and goggles" is basically the only constant.';

'>>92589092
Maybe the eternal wanderer instead of one of the boardwipes? I'm not entirely sure. I'm also not sold on the ornithopter of paradies. Also rework your landbase. You almost have triple as much red in your mana costs, but play 50/50 in your landbase and ramp. I'd also play Vandalblast just like in any red deck cause just trades incredibly well every time.

Otherwise I'd just consider more combat payoffs to utilise all the haste you run. For example Neheb (either of them), Hellkite Tyrant or Skyhunter Strike Force.';

'I want to use this thing in Toluz but I can sense its gonna be too degen for my pod';

'>>92589245
Every time anyone has ever resolved dream halls, the entire table stops, looks at their hand, and does a bunch of math to figure out if they can win on the spot or if they have to get rid of it to prevent someone else from winning. It's a lot of fun, but not the sort of thing you want to see every game.';

'>>92588566
Monoblack goodstuff is lame though';

'>>92588566
>Ramp up and draw a ton of card with ability to tutor
>Ultimately amounts to playing a fucking Pioneer deck where you're just playing monoB kill them all';

'>>92589325
I'm trying to avoid tutors to find it so it doesn't happen every game. But it seems totally wild in Toluz since you can use her to bank the cards you're discarding to dream halls and sacrifice her to get them back if you run out of juice to continue rolling through your deck.';

'>order normal, nonfoil printings of Trynn and Silvar from TGCPlayer
>get curled foils
>contact seller, they give me a refund
>order again from a different seller
>get more foils
>get another refund
do nonfoil printings of these even exist';

'>>92589549
i want to say no, but i am unsure. the nonfoil only would have come from a collector booster, but i am not sure if they were showing up in collector boosters at that point. do not hold out hope for a nonfoil printing unless they stick it in another deck somewhere.';

'Here's some wild takes I heard from a friend:
>The One Ring is too slow to be useful
>Gitaxian Probe is useless
>Austere Command is better than Farewell in every deck
>Stax is a fake term invented by bad players
>Sol Ring is a bigger problem than Thoracle
>Nicol Bolas is not gay or hot, and is absolutely not secretly a submissive bottom';

'>>92582151

join the clan bro !!! purify the lands <3

>https://www.moxfield.com/decks/p8gM3ydr1EeBRdfU2MSYuw';

'>>92589651
>>92589651
>>The One Ring is too slow to be useful
yes
>>Gitaxian Probe is useless
no
>>Austere Command is better than Farewell in every deck
It's better 80% of the time but the extra 20% really hurts
>>Stax is a fake term invented by bad players
True, Stax isn't a real archetype it just means that your deck drags the game out, you die first, and then everyone keeps going.
>>Sol Ring is a bigger problem than Thoracle
neither are a problem
>>Nicol Bolas is not gay or hot, and is absolutely not secretly a submissive bottom
I don't believe you.';

'>>92582151
Your strategy loses to a 1-mana white spell.';

'>>92584930
i want this card.
that exact art.
hawt damnnn';

'>>92589549
If you order TCG Direct, you'll get the correct card. You might save money buying from individual sellers, but you also have to deal with the accuracy of some guy in his garage. My sales setup is very thorough, but most sellers won't be as autistic as I am.';

'>>92589651
>The One Ring is too slow to be useful
If he ever plays against it, his opinion will immediately change
>Gitaxian Probe is useless
It's not as good in 100 singleton as it is as a 4-of in 60 card formats, but it's an auto include for dedicated spell counting decks. I guess that means he's half right.
>Austere Command is better than Farewell in every deck
Every is a strong word. Most decks that run one will run both, so it's kind of a moot point.
>Stax is a fake term invented by bad players
The term "stax" is coined from the card Smokestack, which was the backbone of a deck named Mono Brown Control way back in the day. It's an interesting history lesson.
>Sol Ring is a bigger problem than Thoracle
This is only true at low power tables where Sol Ring is the only mana positive artifact people have access to
>Nicol Bolas is not gay or hot, and is absolutely not secretly a submissive bottom
An interesting theory. It might wind up being true, since the WotC writing team makes major story decisions based on movies that they just saw.';

'>>92587947
cool, my decks are all 5-6';

'Can someone explain to me what this guy is thinking?
This is an IRL decklist.';

'>>92589972
What's wrong with it?';

'>>92589989
Dispel instead of basic counterspell
No FoW/Fierce Guardianship/Swat
3 stifle effects instead of good counterspells
Discontinuity for some reason';

'is modular good yet?
got all arcbound stuff laying around with nothing to do with it
built zabaz when it came out but was way too slow for my pod';

'>>92589972
>Discontinuity
Sometimes you just really want to fuck someone over.

And he seems to like stifle effects. Tbh Tale's End seems like a good include in just about any blue deck. It's a stifle that can also counter commander spells.';

'When playing Extus, Oriq Overlord, do you prefer card draw that feeds off of your tokens/creatures, or more standard non-conditional draw spells? Building a deck focusing on his flipside atm and looking for ways to refill once I blow the first couple of loads with the Avatar.';

'>>92590000
>No FoW/Fierce Guardianship/Swat
because those are expensive cards? mana drain is really the only money card in that list you showed
>Dispel instead of basic counterspell
it is also only U as opposed to UU. depending on his meta, it hits enough that it is worth playing.
>3 stifle effects instead of good counterspells
stifle effects are good.
>Discontinuity for some reason
it's a mega stifle/counterspell/fog and more. it can really turn a game around. i still don't run it, but i get why someone would.';

'>>92590000
>I'm poor
>these losers don't know about my discontinuity
>my free counterspell doesn't even make me discard
>I'm so glad I gto a mana drain at the pre-release
>heh, these storm players aren't ready for stifle AND trickbind
>I can't wait to counter a FoW $50 with my 1 cent dispel';

'>>92590047
You seem rather insecure about your financial status. Something you wanna share with the class?';

'>>92590058
It's more like I know where this guy is coming from';

'>>92590029
Black should always run their unconditional draw spells. Do a mixture of Dark prophecy and Painful truths';

'>whaaaat? he cannot afford to pay the 2?
>OHHHHHH HO HO he must be really poor!';

'>>92590068
>the girl on the bottom right is not covering her laughter, but is instead crying
wtf bros, I thought they were both laughing at me!';

'>>92589709
I would if there was a single nonfoil copy of either card available direct
I've heard they were available in nonfoil printings from collector boosters and I'd assume if nonfoils didn't exist then TCGPlayer wouldn't allow them to be listed, but I'm not sure if it's worth betting on random sellers to list them correctly anymore after getting two pairs in a row with the wrong printing';

'>>92581910
This changes your opponents creatures as well
That could create some odd interactions';

'>>92589707
It does, it's just an expensive jp promo';

'>>92590093
anon-kun, why couldn't you pay the 2? now we can never be together...';

'>>92590226
>60ish euro for the original on Hareruya
and the Liliana is even more expensive';

'>>92590368
NOOOOOOOOOOO';

'what are your favorite mono-color archetypes/commanders?
I wanna build some fun mono decks';

'>>92590472
if you like just slamming your dick on the table and giving everyone a timer, ETB Purphoros is the guy';

'>>92581945
that's the reason why oracle is in all blue decks
it's a 1 for 1 removal removal';

'>>92590477
I should probably have clarified that I am well-versed in mono-red already. Purphoros and ojer axonil are hilariously strong and it's always fun to pull a game-ending combo dealing 30+ dmg to everyone on turn 6';

'>>92590477
sounds boring and one note af';

'Making a deck with this dude. Any fun tech I should know about?';

'>>92590623
only creatures that have powerful etb effects with umori the collector as companion';

'>>92590623
Weathered runestone?';

'>>92590623
Hexproof and anti-counterspell because I guarantee you that I'm holding on to at least two removal/counterspell just for that commander';

'>>92590648
runestone fucks you over too';

'>>92590715
What's better? To sac and cheat something out or to prevent 3 other players from doing so';

'Anyone here ever tried playing Zacama as a Maze's End deck? Was it just too slow?';

'>>92590730
might as well not play that commander then';

'>>92590800
It's just a different way of building him.
He offers a risk/reward of removal + cheating out.
Like >>92590642 said you could run a lot etb stuff to out value the chest effect compared to opponents, but if I were to build him I'd make him an edict on a stick to minimize risk of the effect while focusing more on the removal I get out of it';

'>>92590745
Zacama combo sees (very fringe) cEDH play. So nearly everything is too slow except for focusing on that combo. Barring you intentionally holding back.

In other news I've cut a few different Maze's End decks in different flavors myself: White sucks for it. You want blue or black instead. Sultai is Ideally, but I personally love Temur for those sweet red effects. White ends up being a hindrance, i don't really recommend unless you enjoy being frustrated with your mana base.';

'>>92590800
You can always choose not to cast it when it's not valuable, and even after casting it, you can choose to sacrifice it ending the effect.
It provides more options, not less.';

'>>92585764
Turn 3 because of Past in Flames';

'>>92590623
Bitterblossom
https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/69/bitterblossom
Awakening Zone
https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/281/awakening-zone
Compy Swarm
https://scryfall.com/card/rex/9/compy-swarm
Will make sure you always have permanents to sacrifice.

Meathook Massacre
https://scryfall.com/card/mid/112/the-meathook-massacre
Blood Artist
https://scryfall.com/card/sld/42/blood-artist
Dark Prophecy
https://scryfall.com/card/m14/93/dark-prophecy
Give you payoffs for your stuff dying.

Theres also butcher of malakir and dictate of erebos to force opponents to sacrifice creatures if theyre only sacrificing clues/food/treasures.';

'Don't force me to make the next thread. I will make the OP bait.';

'>>92589549
I have non foils of these but honestly I had the same experience as you and I have no idea when or where they were printed';

'>>92591209
>>92591209
>>92591209

new';

'>>92591200
based. let it burn';

'>>92590068
>ywn be smothered by a cute ojou-sama's tithes for just 2 mana';

'>>92587947
I feel like normal precons being 3 and not a 5 completely misses the point of 5 being an average on a 1-10 scale. I can see a weak precon as a 4, and then 3 would be "Decks have several cards that in a vacuum work well together for nebulous value, but have no overall strategy and often don't run enough, if any, interaction." Also, roll "Upgraded precons" and "Decks with a plan" into the same tier, by definition if you're upgrading your precon you have a plan in mind.
All that said, I'm a guy that makes Vorthos piles, so depending on the deck it can range anywhere from 2 for a Wurm Tribal to something like a 6 for an Elfball. It's not a powerful Elfball, but Elfball still stomps casuals.';

'Page 10 new thread

>>92591223
>>92591223
>>92591223';

'>>92577627
No, I was in the thread where someone posted parts of the book and showed you have 0 evidence for your gay bolas theory. It'd be funnier if you did something with it besides spam it over and over';