'>>92578278
I am just now realizing this isn't /v/';

'>>92578378
Either delete it or we make it /tg/.';

'Is there even a castlevania RPG or a system inspired by it?';

'>>92578379
Stat Simon Belmont and his gear? Or recommend products that do?';

'>>92578278
>>92578378
>>92578379
Too laaaaaaaate, this is now /tg/ approved! Also I never played picrel';

'>>92578409
I recall some people here trying to homebrew something, don't ask me how it went.
Draculas castle is actually a pretty neat concept for a "dungeon". Lots of rooms with different themes and monsters, traps, secrets and puzzles, characters going around doing their own thing.
>>92578417
I was too late.';

'>>92578409
Rhapsody of Blood, Demon Castle Dracula, and Beneath A Cursed Moon are all explicitly influenced by it but for my money Shadow of the Demon Lord ends up being the best system for it.';

'Wall Chicken is so big because that's a fucking roast leg of owlbear.';

'>>92578430
Fight Item Run is also inspired by it. It's combat focused PbtA shit but ehhh, I'd take that over the woke retardation of Voidheart Symphony.

That shit sounded interesting. A sequel to the events of Rhapsody if Blood, inspired both by Castlevania and Persona? Sounds fun. Then you open the book, and like 2 pages in you have a big rant of the author saying this is supposed to be a political game and a venting outlet for the author's frustrations, then calls the High Arcana of the tarot problematic for being gendered and representing religious figures and proceeds to give some the they/them treatment.';

'>>92578409
Literally just run Advanced Dungeons & Dragons and maybe make some rules for a magical whip.';

'I use the old Castlevania soundtracks whenever I want to run a gothic dungeon crawl.
Players never recognize it until Bloody Tears kicks in.';

'>>92578417
I ak a tad confused, are heart points HP or ammo? Also I am not so keen that none of the archetypes really fit a traditional belmont.';

'>>92578430
>for my money Shadow of the Demon Lord ends up being the best system for it.
Out of curiosity, what about it really sells the "Castlevania" vibe mechanically? I mean, I can see the thematic connection since it's gothic.';

'>>92588615
Nah. Castlevania is about badass heroes raiding a mega dungeon. SotDL leans towards grimdark, as in, your characters might be cool but they're disposable and can die easily because of a die roll.';

'>>92589206
>your characters might be cool but they're disposable and can die easily because of a die roll.
https://youtu.be/B55BOwHi4-c?si=jQ_AND9Od5w3_NRw';

'Isn't that just Ravenloft?';

'>>92578278
Someone in a previous thread brought up some ideas for religious themed job classes
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/91087304/#91132486';

'As much as I sort of detest the Shitflix slop we got, I do appreciate how they made Dracula more wizard than vampire, because that’s exactly what he is, a wizard who happens to be a vampire.

I’m Bram’s novel, Dracula is explicitly a student of the Devil and one of the Solomonari, or weather makers. He is also explicitly a prodigious learner. A savant. It is no wonder he was picked.';

'DRACULA GOT HANDS!';

'>>92591486
The majority of a vampire’s innate powers can be traced back to tales of them being associated with witches and whatnot.';

'What clan/bloodline is he?';

'>>92591545
What’s the clan with the highest chances of being a faggot? That one.';

'>>92591576
Fuck off, Warren Ellis. You're cancelled';

'>>92591576
Fuck off Netflix secondary.';

'>>92591486
First season was fine, though they hugely screwed the pooch with Death, and for letting Dracula get out of Hell. Hell is where he belongs.';

'>>92591545
Von Carstein, but from a line which has frequently done that blood sex thing with Lahmians.';

'>>92591486
Vampires always had both mystical feats and physical prowess. Shitflix disgusting slop has 0 redeeming qualities.';

'It's a real shame that the shitty Netflix show is now a permanent stain on Castlevania threads from now on. We only have Konami to blame though';

'>>92591844
This is why you need to gatekeep and make clear these retarded shows shouldn't are trash in a series you enjoy. Otherwise prepare yourself for the wave of retards who want to force the newslop onto the accepted rest of the fanbase.';

'>>92591799
Because they were associated with witches, yes. Witches and evil sorcerers who died, or just those wicked enough, would come back as vampires.

In southeast Asia witches and vampires are practically synonymous.';

'>>92591888
It’s impossible to gatekeep now though. Shit like AI will make sure of that. Rich fucks like Bezos will make sure of that.';

'>>92591998
The 'werewolves vs. vampires' thing is dumb, too. Since a lot of the time, a vampire is a werewolf by default. Stoker's Dracula is.';

'>>92592712
Werewolves have also been associated with witches too. Witches would put on this belts to transform.';

'>>92592728
Yep. It really all comes back to witches.';

'>>92591844
The show is pretty good though';

'>>92593125
Only for vampire sex';

'>>92591844
>>92591888
You people will bitch about anything lmao. The show was objectively good, you just obsess about muh old shit because it's old.';

'>>92593125
>>92593752
>good
oooooh you slipped here anon, that's how I know you didn't watched the show. It was actually bad, nice try tho';

'>>92591844
The first two seasons were fine, but when the third started, that's when things started going downhill. Mainly because they were still focusing on Trevor when what they should have just kept following the lore and done a time skip to Curse of Darkness. Or maybe jumped around randomly to different Castlevania games, eventually getting them all done. There's a lot of games, all with a mostly continuous story, there was no need to still be focusing on Trevor and Sypha after they defeated Dracula. It felt like the writers didn't think of that for some reason, though.';

'what do I need to roll if I want to kill the night?';

'>>92594355
lmao based';

'>>92593752
>"let's sneak into the vampire den at night and do some recon, nothing can go wrong.
>"oh no, it's the vampires! AND THEY'RE OUTSIDE?!?! HOW COULD OUR PLAN GO SO WRONG!?"
>The show was objectively good
nigga you are funny af';

'>>92591545
>turns badass pretty boy into onions faggot
Thanks Ellis, that's what I needed in my life. Also:

>Is Hector ever going to catch a break?

>WE: Not on my watch! Sorry, I didn’t say that. It’s terrible, because [voice actor] Theo James, he’s got that big resonant heroic voice that immediately makes me hate him. But also, he does this thing where he can let little cracks of insecurity and vulnerability into his voice, which fascinated me. The confluence of these two things meant that I had immense fun just torturing the poor guy.';

'>>92591486
the funniest part is how Mina or Lucy is now the designated name for Dracula's love interest when the novel makes it very clear it's a predatory relationship and not some forbidden love, not to mention it hurts Harker's character
>also why do most versions not include the bro squad that does most of the work';

'>>92578379
It has been /tg/ for decades.';

'>>92598083';

'>>92591768
It felt at times like they wanted to explore his and Alucard's dynamic more but then never did anything with it, like the scene of him realising he's killing his own son or the one where Alucard put the vampire hunters' bodies outside the castle as if to say ''oh shit Im becoming my dad'', it's like there was this hidden idea of ''what if dracula and monsters are the product of the enviroment we create for them or force them into'' but it never goes anywhere, he feels alone and that's it, no exploration of the isolation being a vampire would bring beyond a ''oh Im going mad'' joke';

'>>92591486
I'm normally the most critical person in the world when it comes to Netflix slop and all of the gay shit going on with it, but at least for the first season, it gave me the vibes of like, those 90s dark and edgy animated films like Lady Death, you had a giant flaming Dracula skull screaming WHERE'S MY WIFE HOLY SHIT I'M GONNA NUKE THIS CITY IN EXACTLY ONE YEAR and then a year later the retard Slavs are standing around with their dicks in their hands celebrating the 1-yera anniversary of "Dracula promises to nuke Targoviste in one year" day.

Legitimately funny as balls, the one real missing link there is that Dracula and Trevor basically never interact, which is insane because the Belmonts and Dracula obviously have a long history, he is literally able to deduce that Trevor is a Belmont in real time because only a Belmont would actually try to just punch Dracula in the face.';

'>>92578417
got a link for it?';

'>>92598003
This is a beef I have with a lot of the adaptations, and they make me wonder if they even read the novel. Dracula is a rapist, it's not even the slightest bit subtle.';

'>>92598578
Problem is that Trevor has no personal stake in that conflict. If a Satanic Dracula cult had been involved in the downfall of the Belmonts, maybe Trevor would have more than professional and basic human reasons to care.';

'>>92598083
Die, monster! You don't belong in this world!';

'>>92595136
>The first two seasons were fine
No, Season 2 was dogshit.

>>92597436
Always assume shit taste.

My unwillingness to get invested in new media has less to do with how bad it is but how it is bad in the same way, for the same reason, and shilled in the same manner.

>>92598167
Season 2 was shit. Season 3 was a fucking filler arc for everybody but "OC in everything but name" Isaac. Season 4 is the writing equivalent of shading random dots in a test paper in the last minute.

>>92598578
The Dracula-Lisa romance was rushed and it made Lisa look like a piece of shit. In the end of the show, she couldn't even withhold sex to punish her husband.

Castlevania itself is dead to me. I prefer LegallyDistincvania. CV has already died in multiple layers. Unless they go out their way distance themselves from the cartoon, the series is dead to me. To be fair, it isn't particularly hard simply just make Dracula objectively evil and unsympathetic which is every main canon game minus SotN. The problem is the main canon is kind of full so they might have to go with the alternate timeline route which has a lot of pitfalls. Bloodstained Curse of the Moon is better than any Castlevania game modern Konami could possibly release. It would be nice to see a CV3 remake in the style of BS:CotM. Storywise it would be interesting to see how differently things would have turn out if Hector joined the 4 heroes.';

'>>92578278
What is the superior Progenitor vampire? Cain? Judas Iscariot? Vlad the Impaler? I feel like people haven't made good use of Vlad as the progenitor vampire.';

'>>92591768
>though they hugely screwed the pooch with Death
"I'm motherfucking Death"';

'>>92599019
>No, Season 2 was dogshit.
Season 2, where Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard team up and actually do Castlevania stuff and storm Dracula's castle and fight him, is the only thing in the entire animated run that's the most faithful to the original lore.';

'>>92599355
Longinus';

'>>92599019
What's your opinion on Lords of Shadows? Back then I was dismissive about it because I just saw it as more of that trend in the early 10s to modernize/westernize old japanese games but now, seeing the state of things in general not only Castlevania for over a decade later, I feel like I've mistreated the series. From the little I know it seems to me like the devs were enthusiastic about the original series and treated it with respect, something that became quite rare lately';

'Reminder that Alucard is physically and mentally a child/teenager';

'>>92600028
>Season 2, where Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard team up and actually do Castlevania stuff and storm Dracula's castle and fight him, is the only thing in the entire animated run that's the most faithful to the original lore.
Most of the season was dedicated to the villains' bullshit. Dracula was at his weakest state and they weren't even close to defeating him.
>Netflix
>Three grown adults: We can't make a single argument why you shouldn't summon demons to kill all of humanity.
>Drac: Even at my weakened state, you three are no match for me. Only because of my moral fortitude that you win. You will eventually learn that I'm ultimately right.
>Games
>12 year-old, after kicking Dracula's ass: I don't understand your motives but you do bad things so you must be punished.
>Drac: Fuc- *Catches fire*
Season 3 was "humbling" all of the characters against Dracula. Alucard makes new friends, haha they were murdering rapists all along. Trevor & Sypha helping a town, haha the priest of the town is a murdering rapist. Hector falls in love with a murdering rapist, haha she rapes him.

>>92600549
I didn't played it but I heard that it has a lot of reference to the old canon. Castlevania's story was never the biggest selling point but the cartoon is literally about loving the idea of an antichrist. I could put up with minimum storytelling I mean I prefer the story of BS:CotM over BS:RotN. Still, they would need a story thus why I suggested an alternate timeline since they haven't address the time travelers thing. It is also a chance to recanonize some of the games.';

'>>92600549
NTA but Lords of Shadow is pretty great.

The first + DLC is well worth playing. It's well written, very well acted, does some fun twists on the setting, and is a solid spectacle fighter. So long as you go into it expecting it to not be canon to the main line and also not be a metroidvania it's a good time. A couple of upgrades and stuff require visiting previous levels but that's about it. It's not like OoE where it's level based but levels require multiple visits, it's more in line with classicvanias. Still, lots of upgrades and new abilities and a little bit of backtracking in the levels themselves. Easily the best 3D entry and it's up there in general, albeit it's a bit slow to really get going. If you like this one then the other two are things to play too.

Mirrors of Fate, which is 1.5, is a metroidvania and fairly solid. I don't think it's as good as any of the best in the series but it's not as bad as the worst either. It's also fairly unique in that it's multiple protagonists and you play the game in acts with each of them.

2 is great but a step down from 1. It reviewed really badly but I think in hindsight people like it more now. At least based on steam reviews and the like. It is bit bleh for some sections (stealth sections, bad pacing) but the gameplay great still and adds a lot of fun touches. So while I think it's overall worse than 1 is but I also think it's more interesting in its premise and more inventive overall. I really enjoy where they take it as a sequel and how the setting has changed from the first. It's the coolest shift from a game to its sequel the series has had there IMO. Check all three out.

I doubt other anon has much of value to say on it. They've decided they don't want anything to do with a series they ostensibly enjoy because a non-canon adaptation they didn't like happened. Which is retarded no matter how much you dislike the Netflix show.';

'>Castlevania, except we are going to change characters' personality, background, add sex just because, and what if Christianity and the Church was evil!
No, the Netflix slop was never good. All seasons are trash for midwits and very impressionable teenage girls.';

'>>92600867
>Check all three out.
Yeah, I'm thinking on getting it on steam.

>They've decided they don't want anything to do with a series they ostensibly enjoy because a non-canon adaptation they didn't like happened.
Well, he didn't say it was just because of the show and I'm inclined to agree with him because of Konami overall and that's not just for Castlevania';

'>>92600567
He’s physically seventeen in the games and yet sounds like he’s in his 40s kek

In the show Sypha remarks how childlike he is in the brain, due to having been asleep for most of his life';

'>>92600549
The 3d games all suck ass.
>>92600854
To be fair, Dracula was not in a rhetorically open frame of mind. He's committing murder-suicide on a catastrophically large scale. Thinking of it, the dumbest of all seem to be the other vampires, who are largely too caught up in their own venal interests or power lust to see what's going on. Carmilla may be the worst of all, since she has the wits to realize Dracula is a family annihilator in meltdown mode (and thus vulnerable to usurpation), but she doesn't see the problem with God allowing a zombie to sanctify an entire river for her. If you're a Satanic rebel against God and God is obliging your plan, it's a bad plan, lol. And then she jobs to a guy whose boss power is 'summons adds to his fight.'

But man, how they wasted Death and his 'Dracula's confidante' role.';

'>>92600996
I dunno about the Japanese version, though yeah, the English dub sounds much older than 17. There's something interesting to be had with a character who belongs to neither race and who is really still a "kid."';

'>>92600995
>Yeah, I'm thinking on getting it on steam.
I'd check out some key resellers for it. You could probably snap it up for much cheaper than it's listed on Steam at this point.

>Well, he didn't say it was just because of the show and I'm inclined to agree with him because of Konami overall and that's not just for Castlevania
I mean, they sort of did.
>Unless they go out their way distance themselves from the cartoon, the series is dead to me
I don't disagree that Konami is being dumb when it comes to the games but c'mon. The only way they can distance from the show is by killing the show. It's currently got fuck all to do with anything but the show. Even the crossovers aren't tying in with it.';

'This anon >>92591844 was completely right. The Slopflix will forever be a shit stain over the series forever. You CAN'T make a fucking thread with every single idiot defender of the show coming and shitting it up with their retarded headcanon wokeflix crap. Half the fucking replies to this one are suckers of the show and you can't just have a nice conversation over characters or the story without morons bringing up their shit series.

I hope Konami kills the IP with the next Castlevania. Maybe then will have some good threads without suckers.';

'I've been trying to think up a gothic fantasy setting like Castlevania. And how to use european folklore to fit in other fantasy tropes.

I was thinking fairies are neutral Angel's that didn't take a side in the War in Heaven. And elves are hybrid humans/Fey. I dont know what a good origin for dwarves wpypd be, any ideas.';

'>>92602072
Earth fey';

'>>92602277
I mean I was thinking that Fey would have a whole nature/elemental theme to them. But I figure Dwarves should have a different origin.

What are some european folklore stories about dwarves? I think most of them are Norse, but do they ever discuss their origin?';

'>>92602611
>But I figure Dwarves should have a different origin.
Why?

In norse mythology dwarves were maggots feasting on Ymir's corpse that were given human shape, they're also the dark elves';

'>>92602784
For one I think the elves should have a more otherworldly feel to them, while I feel dwarves should be like more practical and tangible, focused on the here and now.

I was thinking that they have a sort of 'originalist' version of the settings religion (based on the veneration of angels and heaven), inspired a bit by like how Ibadi Islam claims to be the original version of islam Mohammed practiced before the succession dispute branched off into Sunni and Shia. Their religion is considered 'wrong' but largely tolerated by the big Churches as it's 'close enough' (so a similar treatment to jews or orthodox christians in society). Partly also cause they are the largest source of enchanted weapons and armor through the use of rune magic.

And I was also thinking that Dwarves and Halflings are the same race. A Dwarf turns into a halfling when he turns into a godless liberal, shaves his beard, and moves to the surface.';

'>>92601919
And people five years ago would have told you “Just don’t watch it, it doesn’t affect you, it doesn’t change anything!”, and now you realize just how disingenuous those assholes were.

It’s the same with the Rings of Power. Lord of the Rings is forever tainted. Only absolute fucking morons will tell you “Just don’t watch it, it doesn’t affect you”.

Never mind that retarded millennial parents showed their children the Hobbit before LotR. Just fuck it.

The future of entertainment is the rape of the past, I swear to god, and the future rapists rely on the retarded ignorance of the younger generations to uphold the political cancer.

AND THEY ALWAYS FUCKING WIN.';

'>>92602859
Funny how the world isn't ending or anything.

Recently I went and watched the 2001 Planet of the Apes before the 1968 version. The 2001 version pretty much sucked, Mark Wahlberg was a flat character, the humans talked and it wasn't even set on earth, so the big themes about mankind being reduced to animals in response to their own fuckups were entirely absent. But it didn't make going back to the original film lesser, it was still a great film (my only notes is I thought that the Ape architecture was rather too primitive for how advanced their society was), and it didn't stop people from making a much better set of new movies in the franchise later on, with one coming out in a couple of weeks.

Sometimes a reboot sucks. It's not a plot by the shadow-government to spite you specifically. The shadow-government has bigger things on it's plate to worry about.';

'>>92602930
No one is saying the shadow government is behind this, you schizophrenic lunatic. It has everything to do with misguided “artists”. Tolkien “scholars”.';

'>>92602930
Fortunately that horrible movie sort of vanished within the psychosphere. Movies like Lord of the Rings had a major impact on the human race.';

'>>92602859
>and now you realize just how disingenuous those assholes were.
New stuff is ALWAYS made to replace old stuff. People will always gravitate to what's new because that's how people are. Producers of these new pieces of slops take advantage of this to re-write stories to their liking.
>their children the Hobbit before LotR
The Hobbit movies fiasco was aborted because Christopher was still alive. The Estate did their moves and the movies flopped hard with the fans and the LoTR world was left in peace for many years. But as soon as Christopher passed away the Amazon's turd was released.
>>92602930
>I went and watched
Nobody is talking about YOU. Here's being talked about trends. And the trends are that new stuff replaces old stuff, which in turn end up poisoning discussion surrounding a story as a whole. This thread alone proves it. Half of it is about muh slopflix series, not about actual Castlevania lore.';

'>>92602963
The scare quotes imply the existence of a shadow-government.
>>92603142
Well yeah, and so did the original Planet of the Apes, I don't understand your point.';

'>>92603185
And I'm pointing out that he's wrong. New =/= the only thing people talk about. Franchises have shit entries in them all the time, yet they manage to survive them because people forget that bad shit and remember the good shit.

People are hyperfixating on the bad because internet culture thrives on nihilistic despair and despises moderate takes and discussion. No one is ever allowed to like something, or even to not hate the thing that's popular to hate, because countervailing opinions are all a conspiracy.

You didn't like the netflix shows. Neat. But 'they' aren't trying to destroy culture, you just didn't like a cartoon.';

'>>92603193
The remake wasn’t “the biggest thing ever!!!11” and didn’t get as much attention as Amazon’s latest bowel movement. No one called you “racist!” for not liking the Ape movie.

You know exactly the point being made. The amount of firepower Amazon threw at middle-earth was revolting.';

'>>92603218
You’re precisely a part of the problem. You do not care for the integrity of art. These stories are either just political tools to you, or visual food you take for granted like a fucking buffet, or both.

Yeah, art impacts other art. Retard. Ancient Greeks fought over a statue of Zeus because an emperor wanted to replace its head with his own. No different from saying Hobbits or elves should be black.';

'>>92602859
>“Just don’t watch it, it doesn’t affect you, it doesn’t change anything!”,
This is still true. Before the series we had a dead franchise. After the series we have an ongoing show and some crossovers unrelated to it. If you ignore it and everything after it you're in the same spot. A franchise with nothing new in it and nothing new coming.';

'>>92603304
>The remake wasn’t “the biggest thing ever
That's just capitalism.
>No one called you “racist!” for not liking the Ape movie.
There were fewer racists in 2001.
>The amount of firepower Amazon threw at middle-earth was revolting.
Again capitalism. Explain to me the economic benefits of not hyping the shit our of your product. Would hyping it up less sell more of your product?

If you think there's a conspiracy you're right. The conspiracy is to make money. Not to make an artistically valuable product. Capitalists don't care about artistic integrity.';

'>>92603193
>The scare quotes imply the existence of a shadow-government
This one sentence implies you’re insane';

'>>92603320
>There were fewer racists in 2001
Did you actually just type this? I think you did. Wow.';

'>>92603320
>Just let capitalism make horrible tasting slop for more Jew tokens
Capitalism can, y’know, make art that reaps in the Jewbucks too, y’know? You’re a pile of grey goo, eating more grey goo.';

'>>92603317
And what's art to you? Artistic unless it has the wrong politics? Do you desire only art that has the correct politics- ie politics that conforms to your beliefs?

Some art is good some art is shit. I wasn't offended by the Netflix castlevania stuff, and I wasn't really looking for anything political in it either. I haven't seen 'Rings of Power' but the critiques I've heard place much more emphasis on a lack of characterization and motives than it has anything to do with who is and isn't black.

What you're doing is conflating skill with politics. That some modern media sucks and some modern media has progressive politics is true. However it is not true that modern media is only ever bad because it has progressive politics that's retarded. I'm not even trying to convince you that the stuff you don't like is secretly good. I don't give a shit what you like or don't like. I'm only pointing out that there isn't some conspiracy by the shadow government to make media shit by shoving progressive politics in it. I'm pointing out that it turns out that some art's gonna be shit, and it's not gonna be the shadow-governments fault.';

'>>92603352
>Do you desire only art that has the correct politics- ie politics that conforms to your beliefs?
only an insane person wants this
only an insane person can’t enjoy a work of fiction by a political opponent
fiction is inherently bigoted to begin with
teenaged girls literally fantasize about dating immortal pedophile vampires';

'>>92603326
So what you're telling me is that the jews aren't trying to destroy white culture as this anon implies
>>92603342
Is capitalism designed to make good art or is it designed to make money? If good art makes money that's a happy coincidence, not the goal.

I find it funny how rather than just say 'yeah capitalism isn't perfect and that sucks' the impulse is to instead say 'capitalism is only bad when jews do it'.
>>92603369
My point exactly. You criticize art based on whether it tells a good story, and not what the politics IE themes are.';

'>>92603352
You do realize politics takes precedence over story now, right?';

'>>92603385
I think that's a narrative that people latch onto because they don't like that Hollywood keeps putting progressive politics in their stories to court a non-conservative audience (because the country is skewing younger and more diverse- and hence the money is with appealing to that growing audience, and not the shrinking conservative audience).

You guys cherry pick because you only complain about progressive politics when it's in a show that has some middling quality to it- when Black Panther comes out and it makes a billion dollars you shut up because it's inconvenient to the narrative to pick that movie apart because it's a good movie.

And like sure- be mad. Be mad that Hollywood is leaving you behind because capitalism doesn't mandate that they make art to appeal to your demographic. That's an entirely natural response. Just don't be facetious about why you don't like it. Just say 'I don't like that Hollywood won't make as much money by trying to make movies that conform to my worldview, and I wish we could go back twenty years and they would'. Otherwise stop acting like it's all some grand conspiracy and it's the death of western civilization.';

'>>92603477
>continues to suck off toxic capitalism even harder
I don’t even hate capitalism.';

'>>92578409
Brinkwood. You get powers from fae, to kill the ruling class (vampires). It's Robin hood vs Dracula.';

'>>92603503
Funny how you read what I was saying as an endorsement of capitalism.

I'm not a capitalism love-it-or-hate-it guy. I'm just also not a communist. I think there's a lot of elements of capitalism we can do without, just also a lot of elements we have nothing better to replace it with. If I wanted to piss people off, I guess I'd call myself a 'democratic capitalist'.

Anyway I'd just prefer that we understand that hollywood is a business and when it does anything (including the stuff you don't like) it's cause they are doing it to make money. Not cause they have some political axe to grind.';

'>>92603320
>There were fewer racists in 2001.
The only thing I agree with in this post but probably not for the reasons you think';

'>>92603318
Your argument ignores that nearly any discussion space where you could discuss [old thing] will be dominated by [new thing] and newfags who only care about that, making it difficult to find others willing to also ignore the new stuff and focus on the old days. Take Persona for example, which displaced Shin Megami Tensei, and Persona itself displaced its first two games with 3-5.';

'>>92603218
>New =/= the only thing people talk about.
And this opinion is a stupid delusion disconnected from reality. People go to theatres to see new movies, people see what's new on TV, people play new games that are released, and read new books. Because trends have a force and nobody is inmune to them. But EVEN when something's hated by the majority of the fanbase it will still shit up the whole discussion just because it exist. Amazon's turd was on the news every single day and everyone was talking about that. People hated it and it was a major slop, does this mean the discussion is not poisoned? It doesn't.

When something's hated enough, it causes a divide in the userbase. Like Star Wars old canon and new canon. Or D&D with its grognards and the 5E after the critical role crowd. Usually it ends on the death of said hobby.

Again, this thread already proves you can't have a discussion about Castlevania without morons jumping in and shitting everything up. Amply this by x10 and you get the same ambient in every series today. The best we can hope now is that Konami releases a turd so big it kills the series for good.';

'>>92604246
You'd have a point if not for the fact that people continue to make new things after new things have been made.

Like they're gonna make more Lord of the Rings stuff in the future. Some of it will be good, some of it will be shit, some of it will be somewhere in the middle. It's the nature of media. It's like complaining that all food doesn't taste good. No shit you moron, that's not an existential crisis.';

'>>92604375
>New thing won't replace old thing, old thing will always exist
>Ok, maybe it will replace it but people won't talk about it
>Ok, maybe people will talk about it but they won't remember it
You're just moving the goalpost don't you?';

'>>92604483
I'm saying either way what you're complaining about is overblown and only affects this second right here. Some stuff will be good some stuff will be shit. In other news water is wet.';

'>>92604197
People are only talking about the new thing because of the endless bitching about the new thing. You're making your own problems. It's also trivial to find discussion on any SMT game you want.';

'>>92601021
>To be fair, Dracula was not in a rhetorically open frame of mind. He's committing murder-suicide on a catastrophically large scale.
No, he was moping and he had time to reflect but the show also wanted him to be blinded by anger at the same time. The show is apologia.
>Thinking of it, the dumbest of all seem to be the other vampires, who are largely too caught up in their own venal interests or power lust to see what's going on.
The show took way too long to properly establish that vampires need specifically human blood long term and the only vampire that manages to put 2 and 2 together is Godbrand. God brand is literally the smartest one of the vampires.
>Carmilla may be the worst of all, since she has the wits to realize Dracula is a family annihilator in meltdown mode (and thus vulnerable to usurpation),
She definitely the lesser evil but the show wants to protray Hector and Carmilla's betrayal as uniquely evil.
>but she doesn't see the problem with God allowing a zombie to sanctify an entire river for her. If you're a Satanic rebel against God and God is obliging your plan, it's a bad plan, lol.
Are you really buying that bullshit excuse? Even that was the case, why shouldn't she? She is right to betray Dracula and it is in her best interest to do so.
>And then she jobs to a guy whose boss power is 'summons adds to his fight.'
Humans are not weak in the Castlevania games. With a few exemptions, the strongest creatures in the game are humans and former humans. Grant was just some guy who was good at throwing knives. Also, Isaac had infinite plot armor.';

'>>92607103
>Grant
You know, speaking of him, he would've been perfect as a receptacle for the crude stuff the writers kept trying to push; why the hell did Warren Ellis get his shit in a knot about him being a pirate in a landlocked country as an excuse to exclude him? Not like any of his writing team is adverse to in-name-only levels of changing characters (IE Isaac) and they just ended up gender-swapping him later anyway...yet when asked, somehow expect people to buy that a knife user named GRETA OF DANESTY is just a complete coincidence.';

'>>92599019
>Season 2 was shit
it's been so long I can't remember when I felt it went to shit, I think season 3 with all the lady vampires scheming, my point was there was an easy set up for a good story and they blew it, it's not even hard
>alucard (or other person) is afflicted with vampirism
>wants to help people
>people are dicks and chase them away
>they isolate themselves out of fear from hateful villagers
>ends up becoming spiteful towards said villagers
it's that easy and with all you'd have to do is push some message about acceptance (which modern writers love) or how we often create the very monsters we fear';

'imagine defending netflix like a fag';

'>>92607103
>Even that was the case, why shouldn't she?
Why shouldn't an evil, damned monster do what God wants? Well, she and most of the rest find that out.';

'>>92610968
>Why shouldn't an evil, damned monster do what God wants? Well, she and most of the rest find that out.
God wants her to stop Dracula from killing all of the humans and consequentially save all of the vampires from starving? It is in her rational self interest to kill Dracula and his simps. She was completely right to be at war with vampire boomers. All of this doesn't fucking matter because they all get killed and Dracula is stronger than all of them combined.

Also, the holy water working isn't because of "God's plan"; it is just that blessing water is just another type of magic in this shitty setting.';

'>>92604375
Making new good things doesn’t erase bad good things lol

You appear to be in denial over the sorry state of art and media right now

Sorry, middle-earth is ruined and Tolkien’s corpse has been sodomized';

'>just ignore it, it’s not hurting you, it isn’t changing anything
These threads show otherwise';

'>>92604375
>Like they're gonna make more Lord of the Rings stuff in the future
They really just shouldn’t. Nothing live action at least.
>Some of it will be good
Big if true.
>some of it will be shit
How about we don’t make it at all? So we don’t get to smell it or look at it?
>It's the nature of media
The nature of media is precedence. I don’t think you truly fathom just how potent media power is.
The media was already labeling people who didn’t like Amazon’s turd “racist”.';

'Alucard is for molestation';

'>>92599019
I agree that it was rushed and sloppy, but there were moments where you could see the show as it could have been if it had been better produced.';

'>>92601021
The impression I got was that the others all understood that Dracula is nuts, periodically he does shit like this and then a Belmont comes and ruins his plans and he goes back to moping for a few centuries.

The scene where Godbrand just goes and asks him was great. Peter Stormaire YET AGAIN wasted on a bit role.';

'>>92604622
>it doesn't matter because one day the sun will explode
>it really doesn't matter
>STOP TALKING IT DOESN'T MATTER
You're not fooling anyone.';

'>>92578278
To try to make this back to /tg/, I hate how toothless vampire stuff are nowadays. Despite the Arbahamic faith being canon to VTM, they still feel the need to make True Faith accessible to all. The Exorcist: Believer also had that multi-faith exorcism. Then the Castlevania cartoon had that bullshit about crosses hurting their eyes but never had it work like that in the show. People like to bring Blindsight but that weakness was so crippling that vampires were extinct way before the events of the book and modern vampires needed to be medicated just to semi-function in society. Honestly, what is the point of basing Dracula off Vlad the Impaler if you are just going to make him to a Redditor?

>>92616133
Not really. Even season 1 had seeds planted into it that led to its problems later on. Season 1 was only good (not as an adaptation) because of tardwrangling.';

'>>92616148
It's Dracula's best scene, as well, because you get a good sense for why he's always in charge.';

'>>92611215
>Also, the holy water working isn't because of "God's plan"; it is just that blessing water is just another type of magic in this shitty setting.
You have nothing to back that up. The fact that a corrupt bishop profaned a temple and demons from Hell specifically point out that God has withdrawn his protection from it as a result argues against you.';

'>>92611215
>God wants her to stop Dracula from killing all of the humans and consequentially save all of the vampires from starving?
God knows her retarded civil war plan will get the lion's share of vampires in the world killed in its failed attempt.';

'>>92620259
>You have nothing to back that up.
You have nothing to back that up. Besides, you are really think "God lets it happen" is an actual answer?

>The fact that a corrupt bishop profaned a temple and demons from Hell specifically point out that God has withdrawn his protection from it as a result argues against you.
The show secularize the cross weakness in a way that the effects of the weakness isn't consistent with the way it was or going to be portrayed.

>>92620265
>God knows her retarded civil war plan will get the lion's share of vampires in the world killed in its failed attempt.
So Hector and Carmillia just goes to the trouble of planning on doing something that normally wouldn't work and nobody brought up?

The writers just wanted the scene. Stop being retarded. If God was going to directly interfere like that, he would just turn all of the rivers, seas, and even the rain into holy water.';

'>>92613787
I dunno man. Why do we leave the house when we might get hit by a car stricken by a meteor?';

'>>92603477
Nope. It's not profitable, and they don't make money doing it. It's 100% ideological. Moreover, it's 100% ideological, and they admit that it is. Read any of the cuckold shit that the faggots who made Doctor Who say. Similarly Disneywars still hasn't made back the money they paid for the franchise because they borked it.

It isn't "Conservatism" that they are driving away, it is normal people, and the goal was never to appeal to them but to gaslight them into thinking that this faggot shit is good. It is uniformly bad and it will be called as such, ruthlessly, until we get an apology.';

'>>92623928
Funny they haven't gotten bankrupt yet. Now is that cause you're wrong, or cause the shadow government is subsidizing them in their bid to be contractually yet nebulously evil?';

'>>92615792
Based
Imagine burying your face in his pale blonde bush';

'>>92620259
That scene probably just exists because Iga forced Elis or something. That's probably the real reason why he wanted to beat him up or whatever';

'>>92624041
Neither. It's because there are very public investing companies bankrolling them and giving out incentives if they do what they want';

'>>92624823
Yeah, but where do those people make their money?

Hollywood is a business. Frankly it's the most capitalist industry in the world. Conservatives just don't want to admit that they aren't where the money's at these days. The conservative slice of the country (and broadly the world) is shrinking while the progressive leaning part of the world is growing (a big part of this is the boomers are dying off, and Gen Z and future generations are larger, and slated to keep getting larger).

Of course people can't blame capitalists for doing capitalism (for some weird reason I don't understand) so it has to be pinned on some other nebulous force.';

'>>92624887
>Yeah, but where do those people make their money?
I don't know but it sure isn't from their media endeavors as even Disney CEO has admited such. It's besides the point, you're implying they're not going bankrupt because media made for "modern audiences" is all well and good but it isn't

>Conservatives just don't want to admit that they aren't where the money's at these days
Haven't been for a long time. It's not a case of "conservative media vs progressive media" it's a case of "regular people vs mentally ill lunatics obsessed with politics", you know the type, the ones that are so eager to own the christians they have to invent some convoluted bullshit reason that in the end makes no sense to explain why vampires are repelled by crosses instead of just it being a holy symbol';

'>>92625009
Disney makes most of their money from their theme-parks they're very clear about this. They lobbied very hard against the COVID lockdown for this reason.

No I very much don't get what you're talking about. I appreciate though you treating this like a serious conversation.

Look lets be honest about ourselves. The stuff people complain about in movies is VERY VERY inside baseball minor stuff that gets picked up by rabid contingents on the internet. MOST PEOPLE just don't give a shit either way- they're certainly not boycotting the Barbie movie cause it's too woke. Most people are in fact, apolitical- and when they see progressive politics they either just roll their eyes or it flies over their head because it ultimately doesn't bother them that much. Like the thing with the cross you just mentioned. When I saw that scene it didn't even occur to me that detail would bother anyone. Earlier in the show they show that a priest (any priest) blessing water turns regular water into Holy Water. So I didn't perceive it as an attack against religion (maybe because I wasn't looking to find such attacks despite being areligious myself). And personally I've always found the idea that a cross repels vampires. Sure a CRUCIFEX, a specifically designed holy symbol, I can see that repelling a vampire, but an ordinary geometric symbol that is cross shaped, I find that silly. The idea that vampires get confused by geometric shapes is of course equally silly, but I emphasize equally silly, not more. At least in my subjective opinion.';

'>>92625137
>Disney makes most of their money from their theme-parks
Sure don't even know if that's true, but it's not like they don't care about their movie profits otherwise the CEO won't comment on the failure of DEI centered projects and how they should probably drop and the point still is: "modern sensibilities" are failing movies right now

>The stuff people complain about in movies is VERY VERY inside baseball minor stuff that gets picked up by rabid contingents on the internet. MOST PEOPLE just don't give a shit either way
Yeah, you're the one who keeps trying to strawman people about being afraid of the shadow government or whatever. This is a conversation in the interest of media and hobbies, we're on a website that mostly centers around such subjects, if you yourself don't care about the subject you can just leave it, just like how I don't care about your subjective opinion on the logic of crosses and vampires so I won't address it. On the other the decision was clearly made so they could dunk on christianism one more time, saying that as an atheist, even if you didn't notice it';

'>>92625460
Agreed it's besides the point- but people point to fake numbers about how 'Disney's (movies)' are failings. Like remember that conspiracy that Disney bought their own tickets to 'trick' people into thinking that Captain Marvel was a financial success?

Now what I think you and I can agree is that a lot of movie studios are lazy and focus on putting out generic films rather than artistically creative ones, and we can agree that the insertion of progressive politics is them being both lazy and cynical and trying to tick off checkboxes rather than cause they think it's necessary to the plot. I just a. don't think this is an apocalyptic problem when it comes to Hollywood, and b. think this is a symptom not a cause of why a lot of movies are pretty generic.

If their goal was to dunk on 'christianism' then why keep the part about holy water? I think you're reading into stuff too deeply. It reeks of having a persecution complex.';

'>>92626532
>Like remember that conspiracy that Disney bought their own tickets to 'trick' people into thinking that Captain Marvel was a financial success?
Yeah but why do you keep bringing irrelevant shit?
>Remember the time when people on YOUR side were wrong about something?
So what?

>don't think this is an apocalyptic problem when it comes to Hollywood
You keep trying to make it like people are trying to spin this as the end of western civilization while it's been made pretty clear this is about the entertainment industry, I care about that stuff otherwise I wouldn't even be on this website

>think this is a symptom not a cause of why a lot of movies are pretty generic
Yes, what you said is the symptom. The cause are the aforementioned investing companies, and I don't know about you but I really can't see why they would pay millions of dollars to other large companies to make non-profitable products other than ideology

>If their goal was to dunk on 'christianism' then why keep the part about holy water?
There are plenty of reasons really, one is that they had already established back in season one that holy water works with the nameless priest and only non villanous member of the church in the entire series, back when the author was being tard wanglered by Igarashi. I have to admit that my point goes moot once you realize they didn't really care about consistency since when the church lost it's mojo because the bishop was a wicked man it implied that holy power could only be invoked by good men but in season two the same bishop became a soulless zombie that sitll could make holy water anyways, that could imply that holy water is just magic that kills vampires and there's no need for any christian dogma? I don't know, maybe they just forgot about it, I mean, it's a poorly written show, just see how the weakness to geometry was implemented';

'>>92626532
>I think you're reading into stuff too deeply.
The cross thing is not the only reason
>The fact that Warren Elis hates christianism because he went to christian school as kid or something (to make it clear: him hating christianism is all well and good to me, I just don't get why this guy got a job with Castlevania of all things)
>The fact that members of the church are villains on every season that I've watched(1 - 3, don't know about 4) and Nocturne
>In season 3 there are monks, the guys whose job often consisted of reading, copying and translating scriptures, never even read any of the books on their library
>One of the heroes considers her order the enemies of God
>They don't seem to treat other religions like Islam and whatever Annette religion is the same way
There's probably more I forgot
>It reeks of having a persecution complex.
And I think you seem too attached in distancing this from ideology in favor of blaming everything on capitalism';

'>>92620103
>Honestly, what is the point of basing Dracula off Vlad the Impaler if you are just going to make him to a Redditor?
To make matters worse his only friend is a muslim';

'>>92627059
I don't know, why do people on 4chan keep making shit like this up?

So... maybe they're wrong about some other things too?

>You keep trying to make it like people are trying to spin this as the end of western civilization
People on this site keep saying EXACTLY that.

>I really can't see why they would pay millions of dollars to other large companies to make non-profitable products other than ideology
Have you ever heard the phrase 'never attribute to malice what you can instead attribute to stupidity?'. You and I disagree that this is a massive money-sink, cause, but let's look at all the dumbass decisions CEO's make in the name of making more money. A good example would be the Unity Engine, and how the CEO's moved all the money to their paychecks putting the company in a deficit, and deciding they had to monetize it more by charging gamers the right to run games on their engine (rather than just the developers). Which in turn caused EVERYONE to abandon Unity even after they backpedaled because devs no NO-ONE will buy their game if they also have to rent the engine, and nobody trusts them to not try to make that move again.

That wasn't a move made out ideology or some nebulous plan. That was an idea that someone genuinely thought was utter brilliance. The investor class all thinks they're geniuses because they don't want to admit that distribution of wealth is entirely arbitrary. They can only understand information if it's given to them in the form of a pie-chart. Hence- do you really think it's that crazy that a bunch of them got info saying 'gay characters in movies make more money so we need to put them in ALL our movies'? Hell- not too long ago investors decided that if Barbie made a billion dollars then Pink is the new 'in' color and started putting pink in all their adds.

It turns out that the people who make all the important decisions in our society are actually quite stupid.';

'>>92631186
>So... maybe they're wrong about some other things too?
Now that's some fucking backwards logic. People can be wrong about something and completely right about something other

>People on this site keep saying EXACTLY that.
And? People also have been saying that stuff like Stellar Blade will lead to rapes and deaths in real life, notice how I haven't attributed this belief onto you yet? Also, sometimes what you see on this webzone is just a meme, something that can't be said about news articles but anyways

>Have you ever heard the phrase 'never attribute to malice what you can instead attribute to stupidity?'
Yeah, ideology can be pretty stupid too. But let's go with the "the investing companies just really believe they end up making more money in the long run, they don't care about the politics even if they're tanking some hard loses for it", in your Unity example the pushback was strong enough they backpedaled on it yet here you are getting upset that people are pushing back against another corporate decision they don't like, why?';

'>>92631673
Yeah sure. And at the same time, if 4chan makes a dumbass conspiracy theory about hollywood, it implies that maybe some of their other opinions about hollywood should be taken with a grain of salt, don't you think?

Yeah, cause Stellar Blade hasn't come up in discussion you silly goose.
>sometimes what you see on this webzone is just a meme
No trust me. People believe in these conspiracy theories. They stop being funny once you realize people GENUINELY believe them. I know a guy who is both an unironic flat-earther, and believes aliens built the pyramids. See what you gotta understand about how conspiracy theories work is they operate on the idea of a fundamental truth- and once someone is convinced of that then anything that leads to them to that conclusion is part of the fundamental truth.

I mean I don't have to explain to you about Qanon right? You know those people are batshit, you know they are on this site, and you know they actually believe what they say. Their fundamental truth is that the government is evil and out to get them. The idea that then -the shadow government- is manipulating Disney into making their movies bad for a vague evil plot becomes part of that absolute truth, because it reinforces their conclusion that everything is evil and out to get them, evidence be damned. So when someone says that Disney bought their own tickets to Captain Marvel as a scheme to trick people into thinking it's successful to advance the Woke Agenda: People believe it.

Again- you're a reasonable person, and treating this like a serious conversation. But everyone is guilty of projection, don't project your own rationality onto other netizens.
(cont.)';

'>>92631673
I get upset because people completely misunderstand the system and turn it from being an economic problem into a political one, which is wrong from start to finish. I mentioned earlier- the left and the right could easily unify and call out the tokenist approach Hollywood takes to ham-handedly insert diversity into their films for the cynical economic ploy that it is. See that I think is perfectly fine because it understands the actual root of the issue and addresses it. I might still think the response is overblown, but it's within reality.

The reason why that doesn't happen however is because the right does not want to critique capitalism (and one can critique capitalism without being a communist by the way), as they are the ones constantly lobbying to let capitalists do whatever the fuck they want. The left and right also have different things they want Hollywood to do- the left wants BETTER representation, while the right wants LESS representation. And as said- the right doesn't want to admit that they are a shrinking and less monetarily valuable demographic, hence the decision to not bother paying attention to their wallets as much.

Hence the right enters conspiracy land and decides that rather than making movies they don't like for economic reasons- or even sheer incompetence, that they are made bad on purpose for a nebulous Woke Agenda, at best because Hollywood is run by 'liberal elites' rather than money-obsessed capitalists (not to say those are necessarily mutually exclusive), or at worst because of a scheme to destroy 'white culture'.

I think critiques are perfectly fine so long as they stay in the realm or reality.';

'>>92631903
>>92631947
Anon, CEO McDisney himself has said that the woke movies are failing, it's not a conspiracy, that's why I say you brought up irrelevant shit, people being wrong once or a million times does not discredit something that is confirmed

I know people believe in conspiracy theories and I know about flat-earthers too but I remember talking to a IRL friend back when the Captain Marvel thing happened and saying something in the lines of
>'I wouldn't put it past them, if somehow spending a couple bucks to make an arrow go up could convince shareholders and other investors to throw more money at them I wouldn't be surprised at all"
It wasn't a hill I was willing to die on and later I learned that there are even richer dudes willing to pay them to make movies at a loss so they have no reason to go to such lenghts. Now that this fact is better known people got wiser and are making better assumptions

I'll clarify a few things right now: I DO think there's a Woke Agenda and I DO think there's currently a bias against white people/culture on a sphere way outside the scope of the entertainment industry. Do I think woke Castlevania is causing this? No, but woke Castlevania was caused by it, it's the symptom of an ideology';

'>>92632710
the writer of the shows was a self-admitted woketard';

'>>92632710
Here's how I know there isn't a woke agenda.

Woke is a meaningless word. Go ahead define it.

Now we could talk about ACTUAL liberal bias, I think such a thing exists and we could discuss that, that lives in the realm of reality. Woke is a meaningless buzzword that originated from black twitter meaning 'surprisingly more progressive than you would have thought'. This is why I bring up conspiracies, it's this idea that everyone got into a room and decided they needed to destroy white people and laid out the plan on how to do it. That's nonsense, and that's what stuff like 'woke agenda' implies.

I mean consider this- you agree most rich people are college educated right? And that most college educated people tend to be more liberal? Don't you think that given most people in hollywood are going to be rich and college educated that on average they'll be more liberal and create projects with a liberal bent to them? Hell lets be real- most of the decision makers in Hollywood are white, so the idea they have an 'anti-white bias' is insane. I'm white. I'm also a proponent of activist social policies and increased diversity. Now is that because I'm a liberal, or is that because I want to destroy white people? And give me an honest answer. MAYBE: People in Hollywood just hold a different perspective than you do, and that's all there is to it.';

'>>92633149
>Woke is a meaningless word.
(x) doubt';

'>>92631011
The thing is Vlad the Impaler was based so making him a villain is already bit of a problem. Dracula is just Vlad without the context of him being against the Ottoman Empire. I doubt any modern would actual take advantage of that info.

>the cross weakness comes from genuine guilt inherited Vlad when harming a "true" Christian
>showing any symbol Islamic faith actually does the opposite and enrages the vampire
>Muslims can't become vampires as Vlad's blood will just reject them making them basically immune';

'I miss that Castlevania quest from like six years ago. “[Something] of Inheritance” if I recall correctly.';

'>>92633235
I notice you didn't offer a definition.
>>92637613
Dracula's never been the origin of vampires right? So why would Vlad the Impalers backstory preclude islamic vampires? Plus- I mean if you're a blood sucking demon, are you really a 'christian vampire' like does the distinction matter? They're not allowed in churches period.';

'>>92633149
>Woke is a meaningless word. Go ahead define it.
You've already defined it
>Woke is a meaningless buzzword that originated from black twitter meaning 'surprisingly more progressive than you would have thought'.
Sure the meaning has changed and it wasn't an organized effort, like a lot of new words people just started saying, so of course it's not gonna have any official definition for the dictionaries but given the original meaning and the stuff it's being attributed it's easy to see that it's some kind of new age progressiveness that often targets media and woke individuals also act quite similar to how conservatives used to act towards media that doesn't follow their dogma

>(...)That's nonsense, and that's what stuff like 'woke agenda' implies.
No it doesn't, an angenda can just be the intentions of a group or individual, there's no need for shadow governments or whatever, they are being funded by billionaires if that's what's you're after but that doesn't mean George Soros got to sit down with Anita Sarkeesian to explain the plan

>the idea they have an 'anti-white bias' is insane
Bullshit, there are a lot of self hating people out there of any race but these are just the useful idiots, the big guys love themselves too much

Here's how I know there is a woke agenda and a anti-white bias outside the entertainment industry
>Constant push for gender theory for younger and younger children
>How news only cares about the race of individuals if the victim is black and and the attacker is white to make it this particular scenario larger than it actually is even if statistics show something else
I could say more but this is /tg/

But now, with that last paragraph, do you admit it a matter of ideology than? I can be both ideology and captalism btw';

'>why yes i suck off toxic capitalism, how could you tell';

'>>92640397
Same anon
>But now, with that last paragraph, do you admit it a matter of ideology than? I can be both ideology and captalism btw
Was supposed to be : Do you admit it's a matter of ideology then? It can be both ideology and capitalism at the same time btw

I had just woke up when I wrote that, sorry';

'>>92637997
>Dracula's never been the origin of vampires right?
Not in actual mythology, but in some fiction he's the first, or one of the first. The Japanese are fond-ish of this notion. Dracula in the novel is based on (faulty) historical knowledge, but he does allude to his war against the Turk and his traitor brother.';

'>>92640397
I think pretty much everything you listed is bullshit, but you're already way more open-minded than any conservative I've ever chatted with, and I don't think there's more I can point to than I have already.

Anyway for one I'll state I don't think there's really a 'problem' with ideology, I think it's a problem of laziness ultimately. Cause I hope you can agree that a writer say, rewriting a story to have more black people in it, in and of itself isn't a problem. Like I think we can say tokenism isn't in and of itself a problem- like Martin Freeman plays a token white man in Black Panther, but that doesn't really jump out at us that much because he's playing an FBI agent whose been in prior films. It's a matter of skill and execution I think we can agree- and I think we can agree that implementation of right-wing or left-wing politics is perfectly valid in all media, it's just a matter of execution. But a lot of writers are bad and lazy and that sucks, agreed? The only difference is what lazy tropes are the writers using?

And I think what's changed is say- thirty years ago studios weren't trying to win progressive brownie points with audiences. To an extent- I mean you'd have some 'female empowerment' tropes thrown out, but nowadays there is, I'll admit, a lot more identity politics so it applies to a lot more groups now. Studios are cynically trying to pander to these groups (capitalism) in a way they never felt they needed to pander to straight white men (who were assumed to be the default audience to begin with), and then because they are doing it out of cynical capitalism rather than sincere progressive politics it ends up as reading as being very forced. And complaining about 'wokeism' is complaining about a symptom, if you aren't racist (and I hope you're not) the mandate is not to never put black people in movies. It's to not shove actors into roles that takes you out of the experience of the film.
(cont.)';

'>>92647439
As for ideology- I think it depends on how you are defining the word. I think the idea everyone in hollywood to be a woke progressive to be hilarious. Arnold Swarzennegger was the Republican governor of California and is still a Republican today. They are there to make money, not to push an ideology- I mean what's the incentive structure to have it be about ideology? What do they think they are getting out of it? It's no mystery why bankers lobby for deregulation, they think it'll make them more money. Even though deregulation is bad for the market- see the recent silicone valley bank foreclosure that happened because they got rid of the regulation to insulate them from bank runs. A bank run happened and they went bankrupt.

However- do I think Hollywood is disproportionately socially liberal? To an extent. Like I said they're probably all college educated, and that tends to make someone more left-wing. But these are the same people who think black-majority films don't sell in China even after Black Panther made a billion dollars. Two things can be true at the same time. I think we're basically seeing 'progressivism by committee' which is something the left is pretty terrible at historically- where left wing policies get thought up in a vacuum at like a college classroom and then suddenly everyone adopts it without real thought to how it works on the ground (everyone jumping onto paper straws is a good example of this).

Hence what I think happened is someone showed a bunch of execs a slideshow that says 'more progressive casts and scripts make x amount of money' and 'given population growth projections (and the increased amount of the globe that watches moves) diverse casts are projected to keep making x amount of money' (this by the way is why there are 12 fast and the furious films, they make most of their money abroad rather than the US). And then it becomes industry standard cause everyone else does it.';

'>>92647492
Now you can argue that's ideological- but I don't think that word is useful here. It could be argued that the pursuit of profit is ideological (it means you're not a communist). And in that case- yeah everything Hollywood does is ideological, people who make media have goals that they try to accomplish, whether that be tell a story, spread a message, or just make money.

I'm curious if you'd prefer the term partisan, but I think we can both agree that's something outlandish. Being a liberal isn't the same thing as trying to make you vote democrat or anything afterall. Like Battleship Potemkin is literal far-left propaganda, but it's trying to make you a communist rather than a democrat.

Really I think it's just all about the culture war. Conservatives feel Hollywood has stopped trying to appeal to them at all, and that pisses them off. And to an extent they're right- at least the people obsessed with the culture war are. But those people are fucking weirdo's, and movies designed to appeal to them would never reach a broad demographic.';

'>>92647439
I was going to say I wasn't conservative(I am rightwing tho) but fuck it, I probably am by modern progressive standards

Here's the problem, you see people complaining about something and you get stuck on one aspect instead of seeing the bigger picture. Let's take Isaac from Netflixvania as an example
>They added a black character
(You're stuck here)
>He's replacing a non-black character from orginal source material, a redhead at that too
>They've completely reinvented his backstory and motivations
>They made him a muslim and tried to depict him as philosophical and deep(they failed) who's evil because humanity wronged him(not really) while christians get constantly vilified as uncultured thugs that are evil for the sake of being evil
>The actual protagonist of his game gets humiliated in a shitty subplot, he gets to keep being white tho
It's not just because the writing is bad/lazy, there is a jarring bias here. In addition the writer was an actual spiteful motherfucker against Igarashi, castlevania fans, christianism and even Hector's voice actor believe it or not

Also you're not seeing the structure here: Investing Companies(ideological) pays -> Media Company executives(monetary gain) hires -> Creatives(ideological) make little cliques to push out -> Other creatives(people that don't follow their ideology 100%) get replaced by -> Shitty creatives(ideological and/or monetary gain)
That's how people like Warren Elis get their hands on Castlevania, which make they seethe because people will only care about they work if it's attached to the name of pre-existing thing but anyways';

'>>92647492
>I mean what's the incentive structure to have it be about ideology?
Have their ideology come to fruition? That same structure on my previous post is used in a very similar way outside the entertainment industry like journalism and influencers(which I guess can be considered entertainment too but whatever)

>>92647525
>movies designed to appeal to them would never reach a broad demographic.
What movies are designed to appeal to them? Because I can think of either
>A. Older movies which used to appeal to bunch of people and Hollywood lives in the shadow of
>B. Movies that get the "GODZILLA MINUS ONE DESTROYS WOKE HOLLYWOOD thumbnail and a lot of people also like that one

Also you keep saying conservative numbers are dwindling but Trump was the previous president of the US and, unless you have your fair share of conspiracy theories yourself, he got a good chunk of the votes(I know he didn't win the majority vote or whatever you guys call it). My country previous president was also a conservative. I don't know, seems like a bad idea to alienate such a large sum of the population like that if you only want profit';

'>>92648107
>Also you're not seeing the structure here: Investing Companies(ideological) pays -> Media Company executives(monetary gain) hires -> Creatives(ideological) make little cliques to push out -> Other creatives(people that don't follow their ideology 100%) get replaced by -> Shitty creatives(ideological and/or monetary gain)
>That's how people like Warren Elis get their hands on Castlevania, which make they seethe because people will only care about they work if it's attached to the name of pre-existing thing but anyways
BTW: They unliked it later.';

'>>92591888
If gatekeeping worked your retarded ass would not be here making stupid posts';

'>>92648245
Took me a while to realize it's game Dracula Oscars slapping Netflix Dracula, he made it too similar to X Chronicles Dracula but Nice. Also thanks for showing me this guy, he's pretty faithful to Kojima's artstyle';

'>>92647439
>Cause I hope you can agree that a writer say, rewriting a story to have more black people in it, in and of itself isn't a problem.
Rewriting anything is BAD in and of itself. Go and create your own stuff. Don't rewrite things other people did.';

'>>92648107
>It's not just because the writing is bad/lazy, there is a jarring bias here
It can be both. And that's the disconnect- the impulse to assume that it's not just political- IE stemming from the authors views, which differ from your own (you in the royal sense) but that it is purposefully written to spread an agenda, rather than a reflection of the authors views.

To put it another way- I don't think Starship Troopers is literal fascist propaganda. I think Heinlein was a right-wing guy who thought his time in the army taught him responsibility and he wrote a book that reflected those views. I think consequently he's a bad practicer of democracy, but I don't think he was trying to convince his audience to be bad practicer of democracy as part of some agenda. I just think he wrote something that reflected his views. And for what it's worth I think he wrote a compelling story.

So to reframe the discussion- what is acceptable liberalism that an author is allowed to express in your view? Where does the threshhold crossover into 'the woke agenda'? Cause that's what I think is the absurd part. I think it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with all those things you listed, but where do you think it crosses the line from 'an author writing from his perspective (or bias)' to 'being bribed by political billionaires to write these specific things'?';

'>>92648227
I'd agree in the journalism and influencer field. Except- there's a big contrast between the right and left wing on that front: Money.

The difference is that the right wing has lower taxes for the rich as their platform, so it's real easy to find rich people to support conservative outlets, it's an obvious alliance. The left meanwhile wants higher taxes in general and on the rich specifically to pay for social programs, and while there are a handful of rich people that donate to the left (George Soros being at the center of every conspiracy under the sun) it's really, REALLY not the a 1-1 thing. The biggest industries allied to the left would be Marijuana (given that conservatives still want it outlawed), green energy (which is small but growing), and big tech to an extent, though we see clear alliances with the right-wing nowadays, see Elon Musk (though broadly I think this is less a political realignment so much as political opportunism). All that to say is that while there's certainly an element of big money in left-wing politics, it's really incomparable to the role of big-money in right-wing politics, and hardly something that's only bad if the left does it.';

'>>92648227
Remember what I'm saying about Demographic change? It's not a complicated idea. Back in like the 50's Hollywood made most of its money in the US, which was way more white today, and what minorities that were around had a way smaller middle-class movie-going population. (we'll also ignore all the social politics going on in the 50's too since we don't want to get lost in the reeds on that). So it's not a surprise then that Hollywood was trying to appeal entirely to American whites. Nowadays the US is only like 60% white, minority middle classes are on paritive scale, China is the second largest movie-going population in the world (if you look for random chinese actors, or random chinese-natioinalist handjobs you'll spot them all over the fucking place in modernday films, and the whole rest of the world is the third largest. So yeah- it's not surprising to see that movies would change over time with the culture both of the United States, but also the world. Back in the 1950's China was overwhelmingly impoverished and rural, and now it is an urban consumerist society.

I mean hell, the other week I watched the 1968 Planet of the Apes movie, and they had a black astronaut in it, which was hyper-progressive for the time (there wouldn't be a real black astronaut until the 1980's) and nobody gave a shit. But in the 1960's with the civil-right movement black americans were a growing movie-going population, the era also saw the 'blaxploitation' genre of films crop up.
(cont.)';

'>>92648227
And yeah- Trump's a great example. He lost the Popular vote in both his elections. The majority of people voted for the 'far-left' candidates, Hillary and Biden. Anyway I josh, but this is a great segway to talk about the concept of radical centrism- which is what Hollywood ACTUALLY is. Cause there's a distinction between the right-wing and the far-right wing. It's the far-right wing that is raising all this stink about the movies and everything else. Moderate right-wingers and independents/centrists don't give a shit and just go to the movies, eat some popcorn and that's it. Cause they aren't really looking into the hidden meanings, and the political agenda's of the people making the movie. They want to see some big-name actors and some explosions. If they made a Hamlet movie and cast Samuel L. Jackson as Hamlet, it'd make like 10 million dollars cause his face on the poster sells tickets.

People on the internet get sucked into an echo-chamber, people on this sight complain about 'Hollywood going woke' and then think this is a position most of the country has, when a majority of the population has no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>92650542
So what, Hollywood shouldn't have made Harry Potter, Twilight, the Hunger Games, or any other big-budget series based on a book? Even after they paid those authors a fuckton of money for the rights?';