'>>92596117
>TQ
Undersupplied blackshields/loyalist traitor/etc. on terra where their only vehicles are a stolen IW falchion and looted malcadors and all their anti tank comes from auxilia support. Speaking of
>have old stripped rhino with no tracks
>decided to put a bunch of pintle guns from the malcador sprue on it
>it is now a disabled rhino that got turned into an auxilia command post/strongpoint and will be an objective piece alongside several wounded auxilia';

'>>92596117
>If you guys don't make the threads you're gonna keep getting titan editions edition
Based';

'>>92596117
>If you guys don't make the threads you're gonna keep getting titan editions edition
I see this as an absolute win.';

'>>92594798
>Proposal:
>Vehicle combi-bolters become Rapid Fire 2
>Terminator combi-bolters become Assault 2 Twin Linked
>You get a hug
Gimme';

'How do you decide on a fucking legion bros one day im like alpha legion is cool next im like ill do iron hands or will finish a novel like scars and become whitescar pilled i just cant pick i like too many of them but i dont want to make more then one legion it would be a side army as my fav army mech and knights';

'>>92596388
Also consider how much you will enjoy painting the colour scheme.';

'>>92596388
Same. In 40k you can make /Your Chapter/ and have them wear whatever colors. But in 30k it seems that, unless your guys are Blackshields, they gotta wear at least a variation of a legion's colors.
And half of Blackshields are actually black.
I don't want to play black marines, but if you paint them black, they can be:
1. Dark Angels
3. Corrupt EC (with purple accents)
4. Dirty IW (dark gray w/chevrons)
5. Sagyar Mazan WS
6. Ymir dark wolves?
7. Templar brethren IF (w/yellow accents)
8. Midnight NL idk lmao
9. Death Company BL
10. IH
12. Red Hand WE
13. Nemesis chapter UM (w/blue accents)
14. Destroyer company DG
16. Reaver & Justaerin SoH (w/verdigris accents)
18. Obsidian Sallies
19. Raven Guard
20. Omega Legion AL';

'>>92596231
that's about what my idea was. Take an overseer with maximum militia/auxilia, then take a delegatus or someone with some flavor as a leader to lead a small amount of vets. Any vehicles are going to be Legion Malcadors painted up as the militia/auxilia colors, any flyers are going to be flyers that they can take, and any super heavies are going to be baneblade variants. Maybe have some dreadnoughts or other small space marine units but the gist is having an obvious militia/auxilia army led by blackshields.
Of course I'm not going to do it that's too much money but it's still a cool idea. With a Forge Lord and Praevian as HQs you could even flip it to be Blackshields slaving mechanicum remnants to their own cortex controllers.';

'>>92596388
Sounds like Shattered Legions may be for you
Or pick one to be the main and make a bunch of small ally detachments.
Or just take the mechpill and go mech with knights, cogboy';

'If I complete all my hobby goals this year I'll get a warlord titan.
If I do not complete all my hobby goals this year I'll get a reaver titan.';

'>>92596537
Looking forward to seeing that reaver titan :^)';

'>>92596537
For Titanicus/LI... Right?';

'>>92596588
Please, Anon, all I have to do is finish my Titanicus collection (4-8 knights, 2-3 warhounds, 1-2 dire wolves, 1 reaver, 1 warbringer, 1 warlord, 1-2 warmasters), finish my Blackshield character list (1-3 Praetors, Forge Lord, Herald, Overseer, Librarian, Nullicator, and third mortitat), rebase 6 mechanicum units, do a Titanicus army on parade board, paint my BFG stuff (1 cruiser, 1 grand cruiser, and 8 escorts), 2 dreadnought project models, 10 (more) secutarii, magos dominus, and rebase 14 models.';

'>>92596690
Oh, I forgot I have to paint the warlord's head unit, including interior, and the two heraldry shields and (mostly likely) at least one full sized belicossa volcano cannon.';

'>>92595878
Avoiding the Hatred, Panoply, and Robot oaths:
>Clones + No HQs
To me, this is peak Alpha Legion clone glowop and calls to mind their "mass of anonymous killers with no identifiers" aspect
>No Troops + Only in Death Does Duty End
Great for penitents from Traitor Legions
>No Troops + Looting
Great for deserters from Loyal Legions
>Aberrant + An Eternity of War
Big fucking roid rage monster astartes';

'>>92596690
>>92596766
I'm sure there won't be real life events getting in the way of accomplishing all that either.';

'>>92596799
I've had nothing going on for me for six years. I can assemble models without much fuss at my full time job. Painting at a consistent pace allows me to demolish backlogs. Nothing can stop me, anymore.';

'>>92596795
>The Flesh is Weak+Only In Death Does Duty End
The army of the dead from the Xana II incursion
>Weapons of Desperation+Xenos Taint
What are bolters, lmao
>Eternity of War+Broken Helix
those fucked up Raven Guard Corax ended up making';

'>struggling to pick your legion
couldn't be me
the moment I heard of the unrelenting autism and schizophrenia powering the Alpha Legion I knew they were the retards for me';

'>>92596983
>Shiny red cool
I tell you it's pretty obviously why 40k Blood Ravens are just loyalist TS.';

'>>92597003
"I just like it" is the path of righteousness';

'Sanguinus should've been the one to wound the emperor, not horus';

'>>92597199
I wish we still had the "Sanguinius' sacrifice created a chink in Horus' armour that the Emperor exploited" thing of old.
Russ was the one who wounded him the most, it turns out.
I wish the Spear of Telesto had been forged by the Emperor too.';

'>>92596983
>Trap the enemy by blocking roads, toppling buildings and blowing up bridges
>Suddenly they are surrounded by the Alpha Legion
For real other legions don't do this? Do they have no Intelligence departments?
Kill the enemy before they even know they're under attack. Seems like basic Principia Belicosa to me.';

'>>92596117
>What are some goofy army-list ideas you've had?
In 1.0 i made a "Questing house" list at 3k that was 4 knights and a warhound.';

'>>92596983
Got hooked on wrongfooting the enemy and defeating them in the deployment phase right when I read the Alpha Legion rules, back in HH 1.0
My autism has never been more satisfied.';

'>>92597383
That's not goofy that's based';

'I used the Alpha Legion mkIV heads for my seekers, and realized half of them have no room for the black stripe they're supposed to have. Hell, 4 of them already have stuff where it should go.
Feels bad, man.';

'>>92597326
Most legions do "shock and awe". Thinking about what to do other than flood the world with as many marines and tanks as possible is not really the right mindset.
>>92596117
>HH 1.0
>NL with Armies of Dark Compliance
>Tainted Flesh and whatever the one where the army gets Hatred
>Spam mutants with ccw's
>Marines would be mounted on bikes
>Don't have to bring a 30k army because I can just use VC models at that point.
That or doing a foot-slog SA army with over 120 infantry models.';

'>Are you winning, Son? You better be.';

'Helmets arrived, so I managed to shade the rest of the assault marines and got the Pred shaded too. Weathering next, got to try to be tasteful with it.';

'>>92598113
I'm also retarded and didn't attach the pic.';

'>>92598119
Melta pred look better then Las for some reason.
Nice job on the unblooded 7th.';

'>>92598161
It's the stubby snubby nose I think - I've got one more of these to build, and 2 all Volkite preds for maximum CHOOM.

Cheers anon, I need to get them dirty, but not too OTT. I've got';

'>constant desire to start a space wolves army
>hate their lore
>hate the primarch
>hate all their characters
what is my retard brain trying to tell me?';

'>>92598232
>What is my retard brain trying to tell me?
That it is time to create a "Your Dudes" army, my friend. You're going to make a BETTER Space Wolves legion. (Blackjack and Hookers Optional)';

'>>92598101
I frank this frank with a frank';

'>>92598232
That you need to build an army of bitter SW terran vets, who are tired of the new yiffers' shit and their delusional wolf lord, and went out on their own in order to focus on their true passion: brutally massacring traitor marines without mercy.';

'>>92598232
Make Blackshieds w. Panoply of Old (Space Wolves)';

'>>92597326
My favourite piece of fluff on this is from Index Astartes; basicly the Alpha Legion gives a world a weeks notice that they’ll come and invade, allowing them to dig in and fortify. The AL then engage in maximum clowning, using all their tricks of the trade. Guilliman reads the after-action report and declares it was ‘a waste of time, energy, and the Emperor’s bolt shells’.';

'>>92598407
Terran SW were maybe not as bad as Terran BA, but they were not nice people to be around. There is a reason, why they had one of the biggest contingent of punitive officers in all the legions and one of the biggest per legion size number of executions of marines.';

'>>92596117
I’ve been working on an all-mounted list for Night Lords, using the Swift Blade rite. Jetbike command squad, spatha’s for troops, proteus as fast attack. It don’t think it’ll be much good, but atleast it should be kino?';

'>>92598232
do you like their rules y/n';

'>>92596117
>TQ
I have considered whether I can run a whole army of lightning claws.
It causes a lot of problem, but you end up with a lot of lightning claws.';

'>>92595878
>twisted strategist
>compulsory HQ: Legion Praevian
>oops all Praevians.jpg
>The Flesh is Weak
>Broken Helix: Clone
>Desert Lions Gooooo';

'>>92596690
they're tiny little guys, how long could painting them even take';

'>>92596466
demonstrably and objectively false';

'>>92598558
imagine trying to get the proper lense effect on those models. It could take you weeks to get the proper perfect look.';

'>>92598618
Chivalry isn't dead I see.';

'>>92596983
Literally me.
Love the way their fluff is translated into the rules.';

'UM are the best at varying between melee and shooting right? I'm finding being pushed towards one style of play restricting.';

'>>92599216
They're pretty solid at both roles, yeah.';

'How are Custodes this edition?';

'>>92596983
The problem I've got is my second legion.
I've nearly finished my AL, so I need to pick another, and it's so much harder to decide.';

'>>92596388
Don’t listen to the other people just have multiple armies, I have 3k of iron hands, 4K of world eaters and I’m planing on having around 5k of night lords I only have about 2.5k atm.';

'>>92599387
Fucking hell my guy. Do you have a picture of all of it?';

'>>92599387
I've just hit 1k of Raven Guard...';

'>>92599387
This, start with one and an allied detachment. Add to both and start another allied detach, add to it, start another one and so on and so forth.';

'panalopy of war alpha legion or sons of horus?

mostly for the banestrike bolters, so the other wargear is the deciding factor';

'>>92599007
Plastic Javelins when?';

'>>92597250
>I wish the Spear of Telesto had been forged by the Emperor too.
At least it has rules';

'>>92599481
AL get power daggers and venom orbs
SoH get the breaching axes

Neither are extraordinary, so it mostly comes down to who is supplying your force/who you are stealing from.';

'>>92597250
On the one hand I do find it amusing that Sanguinius' greatest feat was actually misattributed to him when in actuality it was Russ who did the thing. Somehow they both kinda deserve that. On the other hand I truly loathe Wolfsbane and I would rather not have to acknowledge it at all.';

'>>92599809
Leman Russ is so fucking retarded.';

'>>92596537
Titans HO!';

'>>92595878
>No Troops
>No HQs
>Veterans lead by Praetor [Lite] x3+

>Panoply of Old (Blood Angels)
>Panoply of Old (Salamanders)
>Everyone with wargear options is a pyromaniac with dragonsbreath/inferno Pistols and Perdition Weapons';

'>>92599809
The parts of wolfsbane that I liked were the Norse mythology rip off schizo dream and Russ getting 90% of his legion killed for no reason. The reason wolfsbane was written is definitely to give a narrative explanation for Horus sitting on his ass through the middle portion of the war named after him + pretend the wolves accomplished anything beyond destroy the loyal legion most suited to fighting chaos. Total yiffer death';

'>>92599900
I've been thinking about a blackshield warband called The Debt Guard, who rob their enemies with predatory loans and usury by offering hoax life insurance. When the enemy dies the Debt Guard collect their prize, the Debt Guard kill them of course.

I was thinking of using the oath The Spoils of Victory.';

'>>92599403
>>92599387
Post army please, fuark';

'>>92596466
Reavers and Justaerin have RED accents.';

'I know Heresy Thursday is fucking dead but didn't they forget to release the other half of the solar aux schemes';

'>>92599809
>>92597250
Speaking of Sanguinius, his primarch book by Chris Wraight was great.';

'>>92597956
Eh it's like Orks and blood axes. I'm more a fan of hitting first, yelling second
>>92598446
Yeah that one was fun. In hindsight, it allowed the imperials to defeat them all at the same time where they were gathered all in one place, instead of guerillas that could've lasted years.';

'>>92600297
As do Raven Guard Deliverers :))';

'>>92599481
Tell me about Carsoran axes. Power daggers are meh. All their wounds are effectively AP2, too bad you aren't wounding much.';

'frens, i have a question, since i gave The Depths of Tredecimmia book a read and it has corrupted daemon engine type(without giving specific names for ones that exist), can i somehow give the subtype to my existing robots? or can only daemon engines models like Decimator have that sub type, seeing how they have it by default?';

'>>92599990
>pretend the wolves accomplished anything
The dumb thing is that they were already shown to be doing useful shit in Weregeld. It's not explained exactly how they ended up cornered at Yarant, but it is explained that the forces cornering them are being held up from reinforcing the traitor effort over in Beta-Garmon. So that would actually be a very helpful thing they did.

Wolfsbane, published a couple years later, explains that the reaason why they ended up at Yarant had absolutely nothing to do with trying to take some pressure off the loyalists in the Garmon cluster. Instead they ended up there because Russ, after making his way back to Terra, decided against the vocal protests of literally everybody that he should try to kill Horus, and then, after a farcical series of events involving an extradimensional canine and several dead legionaries, he gets the one-in-a-billion shot at killing Horus AND CHICKENS OUT IN THE FINAL MICROSECOND, whereupon the Space Wolves flee to Yarant. All sacrifices other people made for Russ to see his plan through were completely wasted, everyone who counted on him to at least seriously TRY to follow through on his own plan was made to look like a retard, the Battle of Yarant wasn't the result of a strategic calculation to better the loyalist fighting odds in the Titandeath but rather came together because Russ had a brain fart at the worst possible instant.

What little they wrote about the Battle of Yarant would have been fine if they had never introduced the shitshow that was the Battle of Trisolian.

I usually try to see the good points in any piece of fiction, but just thinking about Wolfsbane ticks me off.';

'>>92600303
Oh shit I need to read it. Everything Wraight touches is invariably golden.

Man has a doctorate in English for a reason.';

'>Read Thousand Sons
>Magnus and nearly all his sons are shown to be psychopaths
>Magnus shown to have massive knowledge of daemons and chaos. Still makes dumbass pacts with them
>Could have sent an astropathic message to big E but didn't because he's a paranoid trog
>Didn't think to fly with haste to Terra convey the message in person.
How the fuck can anyone like the red cunt?';

'>>92600357
So far you can't.';

'>>92600318
I do love me some AL shenanigans.';

'>>92600375
That makes sense, he's brilliant for what he did with the WS.';

'>>92600365
That's it. Trisolian is now retconned into trying to intercept Horus' now-exposed convoy while the bulk of his forces were busy heading to Garmon';

'>>92600399
All his series are great. The Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne shows that he truly GETS 40k as a setting and Terra as a planet, so fucking well.';

'>>92600396
Shame, was hoping I could chaosify my robots slightly';

'>>92600455
Same but GW really hates cybernetica for whatever reason.';

'>>92600267
Don't have a pic of the full army, but I just finished my assault squad';

'What fucking scam is GW running? These legs are way to small. GW have betrayed the spirit of hajime katoki...';

'>>92600539
>big face
>BIG GUN
>dinky legs
I like it!';

'Am I misreading the instructions or is it possible to get 6 models out of the solar auxilia command section kit? The legate marshal looks like he can be entirely assembled from just the bits on the command sprue without having to dip into any of the parts needed from the riflemen spire provided';

'>>92600631
The bit on the back that used to be exposed chains is missing, but aside from that you're good.';

'>>92600303
I can't handle how it's written in first person.';

'>>92600351
S user AP3 breaching 5+ specialist weapon
fairly solid
you also have the tabar which is S+1 AP3 breaching 4+ two-handed, which is better';

'>>92600640
That’s weird cause the instructions don’t mention slapping the chain thing on the legate marshal at all desu. So I guess the model doesn’t need it then.

Kinda works cause I was thinking of green stuffing a cape anyway so hell yeah';

'>>92600682
The tabar is a no-brainer on terminators.';

'>>92600522
Cool Black Templars bro';

'>>92600768
Thank';

'>>92600351
Just roll a 5+ tp wound bro, it ain't that hard.
In the local HH group people are bitching and crying all the time about how their decked out sergeants with artificer armour, powerfist, combi-weapon and everything get shanked without being able to do anything by my sergeants with nothing but a 5 points upgrade.';

'Are the Legion-specific shoulderplates and heads the right size for the 40k Chaos Space Marines, or is the scaling between them off? I was thinking about getting myself an Alpha Legion Kill Team, but I want to know if they're about the same size first before buying anything.';

'>>92601101
Most shoulders are interchangable. Only a few character specific ones aren't.';

'>>92600452
Yeah I enjoyed those books as well. He's a champ.';

'>>92600522
Very nice, are these 3d prints?';

'>>92600877
So you use the car-axe? I thought nobody used those. On your JUSTaerin as well?';

'>>92601150
The heads are, the rest is all genuine plastic. Legs from a mix of old assault and tactical squads, torsos from the same, chainswords and pistols from Mk IV, shoulders from new beakies, and SG jump packs.';

'>>92600631
Yes. GW themselves said this is an option when the kit was previewed so long as you have a spare base.';

'>>92601160
No, all power daggers.';

'>the absolute desert of swill anthologies towards the end of the series of books
i hate BL so much it's unreal';

'>>92601450
Come again?';

'>>92601450
What, you don't enjoy the myriad of storylines that go nowhere, abruptly end without conclusion, are cut short or just completely forgotten about?';

'>>92599324
Female, as it turns out';

'>>92600297
Reavers have seafoam green accents';

'>>92600297
There are Reavers outside of the 1st company though.';

'>>92598556
Erm, isn't Clones redundant? You're already getting FNP from Flesh.';

'>>92598446
>Guilliman reads the after-action report and declares it was ‘a waste of time, energy, and the Emperor’s bolt shells’.

Gilli is just that old boomer dad that says you need to work and fun is for the lazy.';

'>>92601625
Since when?';

'>>92601752
Guilliman is the math teacher that tells you "yes you got all the answers correct, but you didn't arrive at the correct answers in exactly the manner I'm trying to force into you by rote, so F".';

'>>92601781
Since always. The Catulan Reavers are the black armoured 1st company bods, but Reavers in general are just a fancy SoH assault unit.';

'>>92601781';

'AT bros, how do I make a Nurgle-aligned melee Legion?';

'>>92601236
Oh right, I can't read, ESL moment.';

'undefined';

'>>92602337
Where's the eye beam laser?';

'>>92602009
Be prepared to cut up as many blight haulers and sculpt with greenstuff for as many titans as you can afford and use dual power fists on your warlord titan. GW should've really made legio specific titan armor at this point';

'>>92597003
Lol, nice pose and love the dual power fist
>Come n get it, you furry piece of shit!';

'Should I paint the eye on the chest green or gold?';

'>>92599324
if you get into melee you win unless you roll like a crack bitch, shooting was nerfed to compensate.';

'>>92603031
>Custodes wield only the best of the best weapons the Imperium can provide!
>AP 3 lascannons
Lol. Lmao, even.';

'>>92603080
I'd be fine with them having proper ranged if their ppm was nerfed to compensate and they were regulated to an allied detachment only.';

'>>92602459
What about custom Legion rules? I know I want to take Plaything of the Gods for corrupted Titans, that just leaves Stratagems and wargear.';

'>>92603121
Basic custodes have too many attacks, and the Nemesis rule is written so retarded that it's bascially always active so might have well been included in the statline rather than being a special rule (Unless playing against Militia I guess lmfao)

This isn't my own opinion, but what my friends who play custodes tell me. They wanna see basic troops nerfed, shooting made meaningful, and points adjusted accordingly. They're sick and tired of spamming troops and rushing into melee being the only viable way to play.';

'>>92601781
Since always you fucking mong, otherwise there wouldn't exist the distinction between Catulan Reavers and regular Reavers. Or do you think that the Justaerin terminators are the only terminators in the legion?';

'40k tourist here. Does anyone have a comparison picture of this guy next to the chaos terminators and primaris minis? I was thinking of getting one for my terminator lord but I want to make sure he isnt too tiny.';

'>>92600258
>When the Debt Guard faces off against the Death Guard';

'>>92600398
Lmao. Yeah that's silly dumb and AL are sometimes written to do pointless dumb things, though impersonating others sounds cool.
I did like the green text previous to that one.';

'>>92600258
oy veyyy';

'>>92600682
Oof yeah AL can't compete. Venom spheres are fine I guess';

'>>92600877
Idk I think it's dumb to put ~35 pts of upgrades on a 10 pts model? The best things about the dagger is that it replaces no weapon; it's +5 pts for an extra thing';

'>>92602730
Red';

'>>92603751
No, I think red on the chest will look too garish. Either gold or green. Will probably paint it green to see what it looks like';

'>>92603784
Green will make the trim pop more due to contrast while gold will make it look more like one piece that was chiseled out and fitted to the armor. I prefer the former but both would work if you get the right hue';

'>>92603709
I also use them to give my characters in terminator armour +1 attack with their chainfist.
Then occasionally use the power dagger instead for the humiliation kill.';

'>>92603897
>I also use them to give my characters in terminator armour +1 attack with their chainfist
>For the same price of an actual thunder hammer
Eh';

'>>92604087
Thunder hammers are ugly and lame. I've been refusing to use them since HH 1.0 and will continue to do so. They also just bounce off land raiders and spartans, and I ain't about that.';

'>>92600395
Most people are nobooks, anon';

'I often think about how much a mess Emperor's character is. But I suppose that's kind of the point, isn't it
An Uber psyker whose motivations,reasonings are far above mortal comprehensions, all the more convoluted with him being perceived by people with how they want/believe him to be as opposed how he actually is';

'>>92604362
BL writers really thought they were smart enough to explain the Emperor's motivations and reasonings and put them to paper as well though.';

'>>92604362
1. Secure realspace
2. Secure the webway
3. Free mankind from the monopoly of Navigators
3.5. Free mankind from the monopoly of Mechanicum?
4. ???
5. Psychic custodian human race profit
6. Then chaos wins, unbeknownst to Him';

'>>92603290
15+? Oh cwap, it’s over';

'>>92604584
When you think about it Chaos is the fault of the Old Ones. They kept creating more and more increasingly psychic sensitive races, which caused the Warp to become a nightmare realm and eventually spawned the first three Chaos Gods. Then Eldar, another race created by the Old Ones, had to go full hedonism maxxing and spawned Slaanesh to complete the quartet.
Everything else is just races desperately trying to survive the shitstorm that the Old Ones left behind.';

'>>92604656
that's what the chaos gods want you to think';

'>>92604656
Is the warp not just the reflection of the men who in habit the realm of which it oversees?';

'>>92604656
>>92604684
chaos gods have alway been around. remember time does not exist there. so they were always there, are there and will be there forever.
warhammer is as bleak as it can get when you factor that in';

'>>92604362
idiots tried to write a smart character, needed him to kind of be a questionable bad guy, but his side is still written as heroic as they beat back to forces of hell, and yet the people who sides with hell are also understandable. Add on the idea of "umm actually the imperium was always just as bad as it is in 40k" because the space empire can't have a moment of time of being objectively good for humanity... I think you can see where this is going. Never mind the last church, could McNeil have even read just one religious philosophy book before writing a story about atheisms vs religion?';

'>>92604706
That's what it has become. But initially it was a tranquil alternate dimension, which the Old Ones could just teleport though without any danger.

>>92604713
Chaos gods have both always been around and never existed. Just like Slaanesh is the youngest Chaos God, yet has always existed as well. Love the paradoxal nature of the Warp.';

'>>92604126
It's Brutal's fault. Have it be after saves and half everyone will go use fists instead lol';

'>>92604757
You are so close to the truth yet so far my friend. Does a river stay static in it's path throughout the centuries or does the ground around it flow with it?';

'>>92604771
>just make Brutal twice as good, then nobody will use it

I really wish you guys were numerate sometimes';

'>>92604656
>Then Eldar had to go full hedonism maxxing
I just want to have some fun. Is it that bad to have some fun? Imagine we managed to shacke the stars and enjoy 5 billion years of free lunches.
Wouldn't you want to take things a bit easier from now on? The Great Struggle is won at last!';

'>>92604853
Must have been one hell of a party for the hangover to still be devouring the souls of your descendants millions of years later.';

'>>92604814
>Apply after saves
>Twice as good
Applying after saves would heavily nerf Brutal's power, especially that of Thunder Hammers which would no longer get two chances to kill everything with T4 and an invulnerable save.';

'>>92604878
They'll understand. When they see they'll understand...';

'Never let gw Stalin the transfers again brothers
https://files.catbox.moe/lbvnt5.tif';

'>>92604902
He's saying that Current Brutal allows 2+ saves to save Brutal AP3 and suffer sometimes only one wound.
Alas indeed, nobody has any problem with non AP2 brutal.';

'>>92604771
Brutal should only take effect on a to wound roll of six. No mercy.';

'>>92599007
The thumbnail looked like the missile pods were legs of some sort and you had kitbashed a mecha-beetle. The reality was a disappointment.';

'These guys are so great, goddamn';

'Initially I planned on taking loads of tacticals and solar aux riflemen but I’m starting to waver since I feel like I don’t have enough anti armour and anti TEQ. I’m stuck between deciding whether I should
>Stick with the plan and go with two 20 man tactical squads with apothecaries supported by two 20 man riflemen squads with a 10 man command line section
>push the 20 man tactical squads down to 15 man squads and get rid of the apothecaries for enough spare points to grab a lascannon contemptor dread
Should I go for the dread or stick with objective dominance? Playing DG fyi';

'>>92605315
>I don’t have enough anti armour and anti TEQ
Nobody ever does
>Playing DG
DG does. You can totally buy a Plasma Deredeo and that's suddenly enough anti-TEQ. Plus your HSS can walk bro lol';

'>>92605315
Two squads of 20 tactical marines with apothecaries still leaves more than enough points for sufficient anti-tank and terminator killing power.
>t. idiot who uses 20 tacticals with chainswords + 20 despoilers with maximum amount of plasma pistols and has been doing fine';

'>>92604948
And? Brutal is meant as a side-grade to ID not a way to spam chaff wounds past saves. His Terminators would take (and fail) half as many saves, but those saves he fails would be devastating to the model which is how Brutal is described as working.';

'>>92605438
Wtf how?? Tacticals with chainswords is mega wasteful, especially as DG who can shoot FotL all day long.
How do you feel about plasma pistols? They have half the range and half the fire rate for the same cost. And you get to shoot them like 2 times across the whole game? Especially on melee units, who don't always want to shoot due to the risk of Return Fire';

'>>92605481
>Brutal is meant as a side-grade to ID
almost every weapon with brutal IDs most infantry. Hardly a side-grade.';

'>>92605481
>Brutal is meant as a side-grade to ID not a way to spam chaff wounds past saves.
Have Brutal be after saves and Demolishers become even more useless than they currently are.
In fact the only non-ID Brutal weapons out there are:
BA Perdition weapons
Special Character Shabran Darr's Chainaxe
Special Character Zardu's Anakatis Blade
Special Character Kaedes Nex' pistols
Special Character Exodus' sniper shot
Special Character Garro's sword';

'What do you guys think of putting nu mk3 backpacks on old mk3? I tried it and they look reasonably scaled. I really hate the old backpacks’ gaps.';

'>>92605780
Beware the anti-miscenegation rivet-counter gang';

'>>92605780
Did you just mix pieces from two versions of the same armor mark?
Uh... yeah, LGS owner? Kill this man right here, he's ruining my immersion?';

'>>92605820
I too hate miscegenation, but I have a ton of old mk3. I like them more in general; just have a lot of problems with the 2 piece backpacks. I don’t know of anyone who has gotten them together without spending a ton of time gap filling. I did 10 and it is killing me :(';

'>>92605532
>>92605623
Perhaps sidegrade was the wrong term to use. Brutal is supposed to represent weapons that deal massive damage with each strike regardless of the resiliency of the enemy, as it currently works it potentially deals lots of little damage to the target.

To use an analogy Brutal is supposed to represent a slug, but functions mechanically as shot.';

'>>92606029
That's fair. Though, at this point, you're just suggesting a damage stat with extra steps.';

'>>92605518
Build the units that way because I think it's cool. Fuck the meta and min-maxxing.

The tacticals with chainswords have actually been quite neat, way more useful than even I had anticipated. When camping an objective they don't fold the instant something reaches melee with them, and they can easily beat up enemy tactical squads and chase them off an objective. No longer have to waste scorpius shots on clearing tactical squads off an objective.

The plasma pistols are mainly there because plasma pistols are damn cool, fuck you. But have had a couple of games now where some dreadnought thinks my despoilers an easy target, but then the following happens:
>Dreadnought shoots the Despoilers in anticipation of charging them. Kills a couple of chaff marines.
>Having a shooting reaction to spare, the despoilers return fire and take a few wounds off the dreadnought thanks to having 5 plasma pistols in the squad.
>Dreadnought charges the despoilers in the assault phase.
>Since nothing else was getting charged, the despoilers overwatch, taking another couple wounds off the dreadnought with the plasma pistols.
>The dreadnought is now locked in melee, but has already been reduced to 3 or 2 wounds.
>Whilst the dreadnought desperately tries to punch his way through all the cheap mooks the despoiler sergeant can safely finish off the dreadnought with his powerfist.
Look I knew full well the plasma pistols were a waste of points, but frankly have been shocked by how often they've proven useful. Maybe not 10 points per plasma pistol useful, but can confidently say that there have been more than two games where they played a crucial part in me winning the game.';

'>>92606029
>>92606046
Im on the fence, because I do want it to be a pseudo Damage stat (which would nerf hammers).
But it losing the "works as a shotgun" thing would damage:
Hellhammers (Stormsword)
Demolisher Cannons
Dreadhammer Cannon (Typhon)
...you know what, maybe it would work as a Damage Stat. Seems it wouldn't be so bad.';

'>>92606118
I achieved similar results but with bayonets. Because I find bayonets super cool. Same as plasma pistols; they seem cool but don't look like they'd cost as much as a full plasma pistol.
But they look great.
Do go to Istvaan III tomorrow >:(';

'>>92600522
Got a recipe for that cream shoulderpads? Nice work';

'>>92606274
>Same as plasma pistols; they seem cool but don't look like they'd cost as much as a full plasma pistol.

Certified ESL moment.';

'>>92606201
How about this for the New after-saves Brutal?
>When a model is allocated an UNSAVED Wound inflicted by a weapon with this special rule, it does not suffer only one Wound but instead suffers a number of Wounds equal to the number in brackets associated with the specific variant of this special rule. These extra unsaved wounds do not trigger any special effects. Note that Wounds caused in excess of a given model’s remaining Wounds do not spill over to other models and are lost. This special rule has no effect on models that do not have a Toughness value.
Said "don't trigger special rules" so that stuff doesn't score multiple Murderous Strike multiple times
Original text for comparison:
When a model is allocated a Wound inflicted by a weapon with this special rule, it does not suffer only one Wound but instead suffers a number of Wounds equal to the number in brackets associated with the specific variant of this special rule, with all of the Wounds inflicted using the same AP and special rules as that of the initial Wound. Roll to save against each Wound inflicted separately, but note that Wounds caused in excess of a given model’s remaining Wounds do not spill over to other models and are lost. This special rule has no effect on models that do not have a Toughness value.';

'>>92606795
I rewrote the thing and forgot to edit it back. Should read something like "I don't think a plasma pistol should cost as much as a full plasma gun does".
I'm also going to Istvaan III x.x';

'>>92605518
>How do you feel about plasma pistols?
BIG fan of them.';

'>>92607047';

'>>92606811
that drastically increases the effectiveness of Brutal

brutal(2) isn't result x2 but your proposal would make it into that

eg a weapon that's 1/2 to hit 1/2 to Wound 1/2 to Save is 1/8 to cause an unsaved Wound - your proposal for brutal(2) would give a weapon with 1/8 to cause an unsaved Wound 50% more Wounds for the same chance

but the existing brutal(2) added to that same weapon isn't 1/4 to cause 2W, it's 1/8 for the first Wound and 1/8 for the second - or 1/16 for both because the second save is effectively a reroll of the first where the product of the first save isn't discarded, whether it's 0 or 1

you are literally making it twice as likely that the second Wound will happen and taking the chance of both in the same Hit down from 1/16 to 1/8, reducing the effectiveness of the saving throw

>but instant death

not every weapon with Brutal has Instant Death, which you would know if you weren't cancerous waacfags playing against other cancerous waacfags, but even so - EVEN SO - you would still be making eg thunder hammers twice as effective against Leviathan dreadnoughts as they are right now

it is true that the chance of making that 4+ save twice is 1/8 (regardless of the roll to Hit or to Wound) instead of the 1/4 you propose, but - you're going to have to make saves anyway because it's a wargame, 1/8 isn't that unlikely, and you're only bitching because it's an expensive Elites unit facing its exact double for the most boring game of all time, which was your choice to begin with

if you don't like the effect of a rule you don't understand, fine, but at least try to understand the actual principles of how it works before you fixate on proposals to change it, this shit might as well be a cry to add Mortal Wounds to the game via a FAQ';

'>>92607047
What are those, Command squads?';

'Anyone know a good source for combi weapons that match up well with MKVI? Seems like all the ones I am finding are Primaris or Tigrus pattern style.';

'>>92607100
Are you... are you seriously saying that change to Brutal would be bad, because it would make thunder hammers more effective against dreadnoughts? Because I don't think people are gonna have an issue with that.';

'>>92607126
Yes

>>92607070
the best part is Blackshields lets me skip taking troops, so I can just load up on Delagati with command squads and Plasma Cannon HSS with a dual plasma land speeder, some plasma Tech marines and a Macharius Omega for 3k

Everything can overheat and instagib itself. Especially the Macharius, which is a rolling Plasma Blastgun welded to Osha violations that will auto explode if it dies to an overheat.

>inb4 Why do you blackshields have so many plasma weapons?
They fell off the back of a truck. :^) ';

'>>92607191
So that's why Ryza couldn't supply enough plasma weapons anymore after the Heresy ended.';

'>>92607047';

'>>92607047
>>92607191
>Men will literally arm their Command squads with double plasma pistols than take actual Destroyers.';

'>>92607261
>tfw this is the coolest thing this guy does in the series
>tfw this is the first thing this guy does in the series
Iba is the fucking Ten Ten of Bleach.';

'>>92607276
Destroyers can't take double plasma pistols each. I fucking wish they could.';

'>>92607235
Ya, I actually can't decide between them being just straight up pirates or a Forge world False Flag Op that went rogue.

>>92607276
This was a meme list I build for the launch of 8th with cheap bits off ebay but GW has killed it multiple times so it's been on and off the back burner alot. But blackshields makes it possible to run the way I want to, so stripping the chest decorations off and throwing together a garbage fire 3k meme list.

>>92607396
1 Destroyer in a squad can, but dual plasma pistols are also stupidly expensive in volume. Each 10 man command squad is 485 pts, of which 200 are plasma pistols.';

'>>92607416
Plasma pirates sound like a fun army idea.';

'>>92607276
I had no idea that was an option, can they shoot both as well?';

'>>92605272
Pls fix the mould line gap on his leg';

'>>92607650
Not really. Volkite serpentas yeah, but plasma pistols only 1 per 5';

'>>92607650
All models are allowed to fire two pistol weapon in the same shooting phase, yes. It's been a thing in HH 1.0 too.';

'Tragedy struck. during the moving, I burned my HH disk.
what do if mega links don't work?';

'>>92607713
Sweet gunslingers are on the menu.
>>92607667
Oh that sucks.';

'>>92607730
>Anon got Schism_of_Mars'd
They worked last week. I invite you to try again. Run the hypotheticals while you download stuff.';

'>>92607730
>>92607789
One anon poses a theoretical, another provides a practical. It really warms my heart.';

'>>92607789
No luck it seems';

'>>92602337
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE PROPORTIONS ON PRIMARCHS!? ÀAAAAAAAA
Fucking tiny head, heavy weapons guy meme but unironically? I can't blame the one who drew this piece because even "official" art has this.
Speaking of which how slender are marines? The Black books showed MKII armors and the knee regions are mighty spindly before accounting for a portion of the volume to be the power armor.';

'>>92607875
still works on my machine desu
are you sure you're doing it right?
https://mega.nz/folder/7jYhnbzT#CHimCvMfmF86Gwoc7nh4ZA';

'>>92606118
Rule of cool showing results. Good to see.';

'haha t-time for heresy thursday r-right guys?';

'>>92600395
Potentially good and smart characters forced on an already written conclusion.
You just can't salvage that.';

'>>92607100
>but the existing brutal(2) added to that same weapon isn't 1/4 to cause 2W, it's 1/8 for the first Wound and 1/8 for the second - or 1/16 for both because the second save is effectively a reroll of the first where the product of the first save isn't discarded, whether it's 0 or 1
What are you counting here, actually? "A reroll"? "Each wound is actually 1/16"? No. Each wound is 1/8, and you get X times of them
In your example, chance to hit is 1/2, to wound is 1/2, then Brutal (2) says for every successful wound you do 2 wounds instead, so you DO multiply by 2, then yiu save at 1/2 chance
So it goes 1/2 * 1/2 * 2 * 1/2 = 2/8 = 1/4
Tell you what, calculate how much damage a Perdition Maul does to a Command Squad Vet (2+ save)
That said, this formula doesn't work for units with more than one model because Brutal wounds don't spill, and when there's Instant Death you may be better off calculating the chance of "at least one wound going through", which instead uses (Save + Save^X) rather than multiplying...meaning IT DOES WORK ON DREADS.
So it loses power against infantry and is the same against dreads. Goal achieved.
>>92607100
>not every weapon with Brutal has Instant Death
Did you not read >>92605623 ? I literally listed the ones that don't have it. It's all BA Perdition and Special characters. Everything else has Instant Death
>this shit might as well be a cry to add Mortal Wounds to the game via a FAQ
You're blowing things way out of proportion
>>92607185
It's actually less powerful on dreads because I'm making Brutal wounds not trigger special effects twice. Like Murderous Strike, which would affect Dreads
But I'm willing to suffer all that just to make hammers not an auto take. For +5 pts they'll be better than fists against specific things instead.';

'>>92607891
Anon shhh! You proved the point, now delete the comment.
Secrecy is our shield!';

'>>92608050
>Error: You cannot delete a post this old.';

'>>92608064';

'>>92607891
Thank you anon much appreciated. my link was different';

'Oh god it's not the dolphin porn is it?';

'>>92606486
I prime black, do a couple layers of Zandri, a couple thin layers of Morghast, lightly wash with seraphim sepia and then edge highlight with screaming skull.

Nothing too fancy, and I used to fuck them up a lot, but practice helps';

'>>92603290
bump, at least one person on this world has to own both this model and some terminators';

'>>92605780
>Not putting anvilus old CSM and old khorne berzerker backpacks on old mk3.
NGMI';

'>>92608587
Anvillus backpacks belong on Blood Angels';

'>>92608628
I thought they used jump packs';

'Build my second dreadnought with a plasma canon and a fist/plasma gun combo. Painted it and now after the haze is gone, I wonder if I picked the wrong weapons. My prior dread is a fist+melta+multi melta one. It is fun, but I didn't want to get an exact copy of the same unit.';

'>>92609227
fist/chainfist/twin blasters/havoc is the only loadout i'm going for across a talon of three contemptors
not even going to bother magnetizing any provisions for guns
xii btw frfr';

'Do you care about the lore?';

'>>92609333
I suppose I do.';

'>>92609333
Fluff, but yes.';

'>>92609328
What is a twin blaster? is it one of those resin upgrades? I think that, if I ever make a 3ed dreadnought, which won't happen this year, it will have a chainfist and maybe that gun that looks like a electroscope. I don't like when there are multiple units of same looking stuff, that is why all 3 of my tacticals have different load out. One with chainsbayos, one with regular bayos and one without any bayos.';

'>>92609333
yes but most of the black library stuff is a glass seen through darkly concerning all the rough edges in my eyes, fables and blemished accounts abound
i take the likes of the fluff in the campaign books as far more explicit gospel and otherwise try to generally angle my stuff in a kosher direction further in line with the stated procession of things going on in the setting as such, respecting what squarely did and did not occur and all that as best i'm able to grasp';

'>>92609371
as in a plasma blaster embedded in either hand
spicy stuff';

'>>92607974
I miss Heresy thursday…
It became a nice little weekly routine i looked forward to, even if it was dissapointing most of the time. It was fun reading peoples reaction to it in the thread and discussing it.
I can’t believe i got emotionally attached to GW’s goyslop news shit like that.';

'>>92608538
i only have him and Justaerin Terminators and Custodes Aquilon Terminators';

'>>92609333
Fuck yeah. The lore is what makes the hobby interesting and compelling.';

'>>92609333
Yeah, unless GW or one of their turbo retarded authors takes a dump on it like with femstodes, then i just try to ignore it.';

'>>92609385
cool. I don't think I have sprues for those.';

'Is this too chaosy for 30k night lords?';

'>>92606811
Simply make Brutal trigger after a condition on mele weapons like a succesfull charge or a 6 to wound while leaving brutal on shooting weapons unchanged. They did differenciate armourbane (shooting) and (mele) after all.';

'>>92610189
Kinda. The trim was not so ponty back in those days.
I'd feel fine with this being used for a special HQ or sergeant, to convey artificer armour vibes. Not for your every day marine.';

'>abberants
>xenos halo blade

S9 marines on the charge? S8 normally';

'>>92610189
its fine';

'>>92609398
Maybe the fun we made all along was each other and not GW, bros...';

'>>92609398
She definitely isn’t saying that.';

'>>92608538
I do, but I dont own any primaris or other nu40k sloppa.';

'>>92610262
I was thinking the same but then the -1BS sucks for anything that could take the Deathlocks.';

'I want to do a Blackshields force that’s fluffed as RG and IH survivors from Istvaan. Recommendations for Oaths? I figured RG Panoply for one but not sure for the second.';

'>>92609333
Of course.

There are better games out there to play if that’s all you care about.

If the story wasn’t important, and matter to so many people, you wouldn’t get the political activists trying to worm their way into GW to try and change it.';

'>>92610510
dont worry about it too hard, the deathlocks just suck';

'Are the red gemstones they put on everything somehow symbolic of something? Do they have a name? They show up on SW gear almost as often as blood drops show up on Bgear.';

'>>92610699
I think the 2nd SW heads are lazy af.
first was tarded, this one is boring';

'Command line section half done. Loving these solar aux kits so much bros. Not sure how practical carrying a vexila around while trying to one hand an underslung lasrifle is but it looks cool so who cares.
>>92610489
Maybe not 1-to-1 translation but it’s equivalent to what she’s saying. Pretty sure she was talking about family and stuff.';

'>>92610699
They are all psykers, powered by the spirit of Fenris ofc';

'>>92609333
Yes, that why I boycott now. Thanks blackrock.';

'>>92609398
>Plastic Warsmiths never came
>Every Thursday I wake up expecting them to come, but they are always another week away. That can't be it. I haven't woken up at all! It is all a dream. I am in it, and you are in it too. You get it now, don't you? Plastic Warsmiths...never...came
>With three weeks left, I followed my orders from Alpharius and launched the operation. Didn't actually talk about Titans at Garmon, made Custodians female and released tiny Hades drills. I survived, but then GW started talking about 10E Tau. How happy I would have been if they'd let me die then and there. Our wishes do not come true. We cling on to our dreams, our phantoms. Mine and yours. But I think this one is coming to an end. After all, you've figured it out now
>You can raid servo arms, use IW Upgrade Kits, 3D print them ... use every bit possible, and it still won't bring plastic Warsmiths. Them or any of the Legacies. And that was our business. Kitbashes. We built our legions with money paid to Z for printing. Maybe us getting left out was just balancing the scales
>You know, Heresy Thursday was never the heaven we wanted it to be, but I was still happy to have lived with everyone there. It was a short time. Such a hypocritical thing. But while it was going on, I was happy. So I hope I'm not the only one who looks back on those days with happiness. There's more to remember than SoH and IF. But of course, this is you, thinking that I should think that. It is no mystery now. I am just a faggot, a fragment of the mind you have lost. The real me died a long time ago
>But even so (more so) I can tell you what you are really feeling. The real emotion that is locked away at the bottom of your heart. Let it guide you. Live. I think it's my job to tell you that. That is why I exist. So this (You) is the last one. Once you are done reading it, I'm one phantom post that will be gone for good. My pics & words, joining the archive. So I know exactly how to finish. Say "Iron Within"!';

'>>92596117
I had a joke with a friend about the one Gal Vorbak with the cow-skull hand.

Then I made cow-theme dreadnoughts.

Now I have a notable presence of cows in my WB list.';

'>>92610831
There's a burning horse anon. Maybe yours will be the Tainted Cow. Why do legionnaires keep finding daemon animals, idk';

'>>92610699
>somehow symbolic of something? Do they have a name?
Not really. Having diamond gems on the aquila instead of round ones was just a neat way of making SW bodies unique, and it stuck';

'>>92610699
It's also weirdly present on the old Raven Guard heads.';

'>>92603290';

'>>92611091
Fuck me, this picture shows the lean is actually atrociously posed. FW's picture makes it look so cool and imposing from their point of view and yet yours shows us it's actually lanky as fuck.';

'>>92611173
Another CAD design fuck up. Not having these sculpts in hand just leaves them wide open to looking fucking weird when they get printed and can be seen in context with other figures and from angles little attention was paid to.';

'>>92611173
Another anon broken by the third party fat marines. The proportions are perfectly fine.';

'>>92611254
looks like shit';

'>>92611254
It's not even the proportion that are an issue. It's the posing.';

'>>92610769
What's up with the fingers on the banner bearer's left hand? It looks like his ring and pinky fingers are missing from the first knuckle.';

'>>92611734
You didnt have to call attention to his hand injury :(';

'>>92609227
Dreads get a plasma cannon that fires a large blast, it's quite good for cleaning up infantry.';

'>>92611734
It’s the hand used for pic related, but I chopped it off and used it for the rifle arm since I didn’t want to have the dumb sword on my banner guy and it’s the only left hand that isnt holding anything, so now he’s doing a weird half-assed tactical pointing gesture that looks like he’s missing fingers on the right camera angle.
>>92611803
My friend already bullied him and said he looked like an alien or that black dude from that one meme who throws up a gang sign and then fades away from existence…';

'>>92611875
>Two in Terra, two in Garmon';

'>>92611875
Looks more like he's ready for a prostate examination, you should use that hand for the solar aux medics.';

'>>92611817
Cleaning? But astartes are still males only, unlike femstodes.';

'>>92612149
Classic Barbarus technique desu
>>92612175
Can’t, my medics are getting the better prostate tool already (power fists)';

'>>92612187
The plasma cannon cleans up infantry by turning them into a mess of burned and molten chunks splattered over a wide area.';

'>>92610189
just remove the triangles from the trim';

'Breacher sergeant in MkIII, armed with a poweraxe and a combi-grenade. Reasonable?';

'>>92612450
Death to all pissfags';

'>>92612450
Sounds cool, the shield and pose are nice too';

'>>92612450
looking good. although, the axe handle looks a bit oddly shaped. does he have a squad to lead, or is he the first model of the squad you're building?';

'>>92612450
swap axe handle, it looks like wood axe';

'>>92612466
based';

'Wtf, no Heresy Thursday?!';

'>>92611091
Thank you for your service anon. Much appreciated.';

'>>92612721
Seriously, how many of you fuckers don't even read a single fucking word?

If you actually cared so much about the heresy thursday articles you would have fucking been reading them, and would have read in the last heresy thursday article that it's been discontinued for the forseeable future.';

'>>92612450
I think it looks aweome';

'>>92612450
The pose is awesome but I agree with the general sentiment, you need an axe that looks less like a bare woodsman axe.';

'>>92612450
The power axe looking like a souped-up lumberjack's tool is pretty neat, honestly. Feels like he had a personal attachment to it.';

'>>92609333
You mean the fluff? Fuck off with this zoomie-speak';

'Where is the thursay horus reveals.';

'>>92613083
>dumb frogposter
>didnt read warcom
>didnt read the thread';

'>>92612611
>Astartes are tall, thick and take multiple blows to fell.
>Trees are tall, thick, and take multiple blows to fell.
Checkmate theists.';

'>>92613083
Damn I think it's time to take a break from this general. You guys are dumbasses';

'>>92610189
It takes like 20 seconds to cut the triangles down. Might get you where you need to go.';

'>>92613083
Heresy Thursday is dead until later this summer apparently, resuming with purely ligma reveals and IF praetors for the rest of the year.';

'>>92611091
Thank you anon. Is that termini. The right a new Levi terminator? Or is one of the tortuga bay ones?';

'>>92613175
ty habibi';

'Was redirected here from /40kg/.
If anyone could give me a list of books where Sanguinious interacts with other primachs I would really appreciate it.';

'>>92609333
Always';

'>>92609227
have fun with it anon';

'Jump pack or sky hunter praetor for my blood angels?';

'I don’t get why frag grenades and krak grenades can’t actually be used
>but ackshually they can be used to charge through difficult terrain and krak grenades can be used to attack vehic-
I mean like why can’t we actually throw them and use them as a shooting attack';

'>>92613124
>the largest and strongest astartes typically wind up becoming chapter masters (see the AoD praetors)
>da biggest and greenest and strongest orks end up leading warbands
coincidence?
only to a fool';

'>>92613558
Because 40k did that and they won't admit post 8th had a few good ideas';

'>>92613544
Which will be the most fun to make?';

'>>92613558
Cause game balance.
>here is my 20 small blast templates.
In a game where shooting ranges are already compressed so far down grenades just don’t have a place. In 6/7th ed 40k you could throw one per squad, it was an alright rule but not super necessary and always made people say “why can’t they all throw their grenades”';

'>>92613544
Jump pack. Both because jump pack infantry is peak BA, and also jetbikes being overpriced as fuck for characters.';

'>>92613594
>>92613602
Probs the jump pack then, I have the chaplain with the fancy wings, might use his pack. Give his help to an overseer or chaplain';

'>>92613590
8th edition actually removed grenades as shooting attacks. It's just been bland "Do X amount of mortal wounds" stratagems since then.

It was during 6th and 7th edition that grenades could be used like ranged weapons, and by extension in HH 1.0 too.';

'>>92609333
Yes and no. I regularly have dudes bring in their old 4-7e armies and let them play with MK7 since the system is so good but I can't find enough HH players in my area. At the same time, my favorite games are always proper HH ones with real armies.';

'>>92613624
Ah sorry ,I'm thinking about the grenade launcher the new marines had. I would like to try Hersey with 10ths moral rules because they look much better but at the same time I haven't played 40k in forever so idk';

'>>92613601
I’m sure there are plenty of ways it could be balanced
>ridiculously short range (6-9”) so you risk potentially splashing yourself and have to actually close the gap to use them
>make grenades one-use (like phosphex grenades already are)
>make it so grenades are a seperate weapon type and have certain stipulations (can’t charge after throwing one, always scatter max distance, only a certain amount of grenade weapons can be thrown per unit etc.)
There’s lots of ways it could be balanced, the only answer is that GW are just too lazy to do so';

'>>92613649
10th edition morale rules are ass. Failed morale means nothing, outside for scoring objectives and stratagems. Even if you manage to make the enemy's big deathstar fail a morale test, they just shrug and continue obliterating you army.';

'>>92613570
That's a ridiculous insinuation, anon.';

'something i learned to really appreciate about HH when i quite modern 40k, is how even for big point games(3k+) you don't even need that many models, unless you play Militia or infantry based Auxillia';

'>>92613720
>*dark angel storm of war horde list slaps ur ass*';

'>>92613570
There are so many Greenskins in the galaxy that the subliminal logic of their collective Waaagh field subtly underpins the logic of other races.';

'>>92613733
neither me nor my friend play dork angels though';

'>>92613720
>>is how even for big point games(3k+) you don't even need that many models
>llist has 54 power armour marines, a Dreadnought, a sicaran tank, 54 solar aux, 8 walkers and 4 heavy walkers
Y-yeah haha…Not a lot of models…';

'>>92613757
i'm confident in saying that if you haven't squared up against an army that's resemblant of the marine oceans on some of the book covers, you've still yet to experience the true heresy™';

'>>92613777
i played Admech in 40k. so 120+ models was the norm....';

'>>92613796
that sounds rather heretical';

'Just varnished my Javelin, now I'm waiting for my trasnfer sheet to arrive so I can continue working on it.';

'Dou you think they will make plastic vorax?';

'>>92613884
First we require a plastic Javelin';

'>>92613874
looks awesome anon, how did you make the blue?';

'>>92613874
if I get dubs you must freehand some shit';

'>>92613897
Akhelian Green over Lead Belcher highlighted with Stormhost Silver.

>>92613909
Too bad, eat shit lol.';

'>>92613919
>Akhelian Green
for a colour labelled as "green" there's nothing green about it, but good to know, thank you';

'>>92613962
I get that a lot.';

'>>92613570
>>the largest and strongest astartes typically wind up becoming chapter masters (see the AoD praetors)
I wish there were marine commanders who were small but spicy and won. Lil kill goblins. Fun size death packages.';

'>>92613999
>be a shitling marine with meager stature and constitution holding onto some reign of command
>a bigger, even more retarded one kills or disables you outright with the mere single lucky blow needed and takes your place
dice dex/spd, faget.......';

'>>92613999
like Luther and Kor Phaeron?';

'>>92613720
>3k list
>45 inductii, 20 headhunters, 10 seekers, 20 recons, 10 command squad
105+ guys don't feel like a lot of people, actually';

'>>92614091
How did you paint your inductii?';

'>>92614108
With paint and a paint brush?';

'>>92612595
>>92612611
>>92612921
I picked that axe because I like how the archaic, slightly brutish feel mirrors the look of MkIII. The head also kinda matches the CCW hatchets the other breachers carry.

>>92612595
>Does he have a squad to lead, or is he the first model of the squad you're building?
He does, ten men plus the attached support. Hopefully FW manages to bring back Graviton guns sometimes this century.
Pic related is all the important guys.';

'>>92613205
They're the new leviathan termies with a upgrade kit to make them look more 30k than 40k';

'>>92614233
are the shields from popgoesthemonkey?';

'>>92614043
>>92614082
"...and won". Like some sort of honey badger. A short guy who draws power from being closer to hell';

'>>92614269
Yep. Not sure if I'm really happy with them. Unlike with their pauldrons and weapons the large surface of the shields makes the ridges more noticeable.';

'>>92614319
thats a shame. pretty retarded that they havent updated their printing process';

'>>92614233
>>92614319
space marine shields aren't transparent anon
they couldn't even properly hide behind them were this so';

'>>92614233
Very cool, awesome kitbash.
I think that Vexilla would benefit from being a bit taller though.';

'>>92614233
Nice. Where are the shields from?';

'>>92614447
i kneel';

'>>92614162
>painting Alpha Legion with a brush
Forget I asked.';

'>>92614043
It's a dex/spd build, anon, Ihe's going to keep distance and shoot you. Probably with a disintegrator.';

'>>92610699
>>92610860
>>92610867
It's a very old-school rank marking';

'>>92614630
you're not allowed guns in legion succession matchups unless you're a night lord or something idk
not even orks would stoop so low';

'>>92614261
Ok cool thanks, I didn’t recognize the shin studs. Where did you get it from?';

'>>92614261
Those outer shoulder pads are basically in high orbit around the lower shoulder pads lmfao';

'>>92613659
I mean what you described is pretty much what it used to be. Just houserule it with your mates. Tbh a single grenade against pure power armour isn’t even going to do much. Grenades were only actually good if you were eldar, cause surprise killing a whole veteran guard squad with a plasma grenades was hilarious and dumb.';

'>>92610699
It's the space marine equivalent of a power balance bracelet. They think it makes them aim better.';

'>>92614896
>surprise killing a whole veteran guard squad with a plasma grenades
Wdym. I thought you could only use one per squad back in 7E';

'>>92609333
yes, but BL novels aren't lore';

'>>92614043
In an era where lethality is obtainable by all, swiftness and skill at arms take precedence.';

'>>92615492
Space marines are killers and know little else. A quarrel between equals can easily be solved by first strike or by some achievement on the battlefield.
But a disagreement with a superior? They shouldn't just kill him, usurp him and then fail at their new rank because turns out they were right';

'>>92614868
HH TERMIE CONVERSION KIT by Red warden on cults3D

>>92614883
lmao never caught that';

'NEW FRED
>>92616216
>>92616216
>>92616216';

'>>92609374
The BL Heresy novels are a series of cheap pulp fiction produced and sold on one backwater planet for a period of approximately a century in early M33. When the regular tithe fleet visited to collect the low-grade foodstuffs for which the planet was famed, a scandalized Ecclesiarchy preacher reported the works to the Inquisition, who immediately ordered them suppressed and had the planet culled and resettled as, it was reasoned, only individuals under the influence of the Dark Powers could have conceived of such a base, salacious, and false retelling of the events of the Heresy. The few remaining copies are sequestered in Inquisition libraries or the collections of particularly eccentric Rogue Traders, the subject of mockery and merriment on the rare occasions anyone bothers to remember they exist.';

'>>92611254
Lol, Anorexia Anon returns, still haunted by the thought of marines with visible musculature and the armour necessary to accommodate it.';

'>>92615876
many thanks friend';