'>>92598911
>TQ: What's your favourite homebrew and/or houserule?

PF2e houserule: Once per round you get an Interact action as a free action.

This fixes all the shit consumables that are way overpriced, guns/crossbows that are way too weak for the reload cost, Alchemist as a whole and some minor other stuff.';

'>>92598911
>TQ: What's your favourite homebrew and/or houserule?
I'm not sure if The Elephant in the Room rules count. If not, I guess importing Mindflayers and such is technically homebrew.';

'>>92599039
Alot of D&D monsters are fun to homebrew into pathfinder and honestly alot more iconic and cool to fight against. Homebrewed a Beholder as the big bad of my current campaign.';

'>>92598911
Ive basically rebalanced all the spells and reworked several of the classes to make them abit less jank and give them more of an identity other than worse fighter and spellcaster. This isnt exactly homebrew but i like to emulate lair and legendary actions using a complex hazard for single boss fights.';

'>>92598911
2e
Does invoke true name work on ANY creature? The cleric was casting this before every time he would cast another spell.';

'>>92599369
No
https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=1569';

'>>92599369
Don't you need to know the true name before you can say it? Does he spend weeks in research every time before casting a single spell?';

'>>92599466
No, he kind of "decides" the names for them and the DM just kind of goes along with it. It's kind of weird.';

'>>92598911
The only thing I significantly houserule is alchemists.

Their weapon proficiency progresses at the same rate as most martials, expert at 5, ect., and I give them all quick bomber as a free feat at level 1. It seems to iron out a lot of the kinks and let any subclass contribute to damage and debuffing.';

'>>92600063
From my experience alchemists don't struggle to hit, they struggle to have versatility.
I figured the weak link was perpetual infusions, so I shifted it to level five, made it half level rounded up of selections made each time they prepare, and made the level of perpetual infusions character level -4.
So when they get it they choose three level 1 items based on research field each time they prepare.
When they hit 7 they choose four level 3 and lower items based on research field each time they prepare.
And from that point onward an alchemist can probably keep all their infused reagents free to use with quick alchemy rather than sinking them all into things they need to play the character.
So quick alchemy suddenly turns on as something you can do all day rather than being something you wish you could do but can't.

I've yet to playtest it but I might just shoehorn in a gmpc to a game and see what happens.';

'>>92598911
Had a houserule when I ran Malevolence where players could spend 10 minutes to make a check using the traditions skill check (ex. Nature=Primal spell) using the DC of the spell rank. If they succeeded they would regain the spell slot back. Trained could only try for spell ranks 1-3, expert for spell ranks 4-6, master for 7-9 and legendary for 10th rank spells. After doing it you couldn't try again for 1 hour, whether you succeeded or failed. On a critical you got 2 spells of that level or lower back. Success you got the 1 spell back. Failure nothing happened. Critical failure you increased your stupefied level by 1 for the hour.

Besides that I like the idea of making the crit success on tripping deal damage equal to the damage of your unarmed strike/natural weapon or maybe the tripper gets a free attack using the same MAP as the trip. An extra 1d6 feels terrible at anything higher than level 4.';

'Man, the mods on the pathfinder subreddit just enjoy sniffing their own farts with the tian xia book.

>Nooooo you can't enjoy playing as samurai or ninja that's racist.';

'>>92601143
It's a tiresome circlejerk where everyone involved talks over and down at eachother while not addressing any actual complaints, and people hyperfixate on names of shit as if it matters. Also shitting on monk for some reason? Fucking baffling.

I just want the damn thing to come out so I can see what mechanics it does have, talking about what isn't in the game is boring as fuck. We've been doing that since it launched, show me what is actually being added, give me cool abilities or a reason to go homebrew something.

For that matter, Exemplar is cool as fuck and full of obvious weebshit. People need to shut the fuck up and save their energy for hoping the final version of that is good, so they can either nut when it's incredible or rage if it's bad.';

'>>92601805
Any player facing content is going to be shit in the LO line. Its existence is just to let failed writers a place to write racial fan fiction. Notice how nobody gave a fuck about the dwarf book but when its something thats connected to real world ethnicities then it explodes on the sub. This hobby isn't about fantasy elves and dwarves anymore, its about representing real life groups in a fantasy setting because narcissism is running rampant in this generation of people.';

'>>92601874
It's the same with the wheelchair retardation and all that bullshit. Just about making self-insert characters to power trip with.';

'Trying to alter the beginner box to teach everything it teaches in just one session, namely skipping the second floor. From what I read, here are the big things.
>Cinder Rat - Concealment/Flat Checks, Persistent Damage
Solution: Give a kobold warrior upstairs a smoke ball and a vial of alchemist fire
>Xulgaths - Surprise
Solution: Fudge the initiative so that some of the kobolds upstairs are surprised, or maybe the undead encounter
>Mermaid Fountain - Routines, Hardness
kinda difficult to come up with one here, but theres a spear trap upstairs that I think I can tinker with. Maybe I edit the control mechanism into an arrow trap that shoots one arrow every round
>Unconventional tactics - Bed cover, food fight, oil attack
Solution: add a table to the final fight where the two strongest kobolds are the trapmaster and an alchemist

LEt me know if I missed a detail';

'>>92602254
The xulgaths teach about auras, maybe make the zombie(s) stink.
Alternatively run Rusthenge instead.';

'>>92602593
Oh wait you said one session, disregard Rusthenge.';

'>>92598911
Does anyone still play Starfinder and is it any good?';

'>>92601143
>tian xia book.
Where can I find this book? In the pastebins?';

'>>92602747
Setting's neat, system's kind of jank. There's a playtest for a new edition coming out in August which is going to be a complete overhaul, I'd probably just wait until then. It's playable if you're interested though, just very rough.';

'2e, I just made a swashbuckler and I'm wondering when I'm supposed to use Finishers. We're at level 8, so as far as I can tell I should Bleeding Finisher as soon as possible and then hold onto my panache until it runs out/there's another enemy to do it on?';

'>>92601143
Aren't they supposed to be adding a magical girl archetype? The degree of dissonance and bizarre masturbation over "real" asian depictions (which seems to mean abject Indonesian poverty to them) makes me think they're bracing for the book being extremely shitty.';

'>>92603111
Whenever it makes sense. Can you get panache easily? Use finishers a lot. Is it hard to get panache? Maybe don't.
Don't overthink it too much.';

'2e

What are some good mid level (4-8) Fighter feats that aren't archery, tripping or grappling related?

Double Slice, Sudden Charge, Lunge depending on your build, Inimidating Strike, Shatter Slash, Sudden Leap. Any other standouts?';

'Who in the hell is this?';

'>>92599684
yeah that's not what it does, the spell itself doesnt reveal the name, it just allows you to exploit a true name you already know';

'>>92603767

Blind-Fight is a staple.';

'One thing I've noticed about the setting books is that compared to the 1e era, the more recent ones pretty much exclusively talk about the culture of any given region and gloss over everything else, including geography, dangers, and any information needed to actually explore.';

'>>92601143
they're banning people who point out that weird moderator's comment history';

'Would you guys let me "poison" weapons with mutagens as an alchemist, and if so, would you give them a DC to resist or make it take effect automatically as they're "beneficial".';

'>>92605129
I'd probably just ask what the intention is with debuffing and then write an actual poison or bomb that did the same thing.';

'>trying to find an online game of 2e to get into
>every game posted is at bumfuck GMT times
what is it with germans and this game';

'>>92602767
it came out today, pay for it or be patient';

'>>92603823
Characters on the cover of Society scenarios are usually in that scenario.';

'>>92605300
no. what you want me give money to paizo for their shit ass book? lmao faggot';

'>>92605491
boo hoo faggot, sounds like you're waiting then';

'>>92605520
cope and seethe paycel. Im looking at it right now';

'>>92604969
yeah, in a way its pretty bare bones';

'>>92605235
Mutagens generally seem pretty shit, so selectively forcing them on others felt like it might be a useful thing to be able to do.';

'>>92605300
Oh did it? Do you know if it's out to shops right now? I'd like to get a printing actually.';

'>>92601805
>For that matter, Exemplar is cool as fuck and full of obvious weebshit. People need to shut the fuck up and save their energy for hoping the final version of that is good, so they can either nut when it's incredible or rage if it's bad.
I really liked the big-picture flavor of exemplar but the mechanics in the playtest turned me completely off of it. The idea of being a mythical hero with chuunibyou weebshit feats is great, and then they lock you into this MOBAesque playstyle where you have to have exactly one weapon, one worn item, and one body feature and bounce the source of your powers between them like some kind of juggler.
It's cool, for example, that they have an Achilles-style unbreakable skin option, but you'll have it active at best every other round because it's competing with your martial damage buff. None of the body/worn ikon options actually compete with a simple +2 per die (and a super to buff it beyond that) so they're second fiddle off-turn buffs while you try to make sure every Strike is made with the weapon ikon active.
I can't blame them for not wanting every class to play the exact same, but I do think they've gotten stuck on introducing new mechanical gimmicks/turn rotations for every class when early martials like barbarian, monk, fighter, champion, and rogue are much less restricted. At this point if I want the godling flavor of the exemplar I'd rather take fighter with thematic free archetypes and reflavor.';

'>>92606353
At the very least they seem aware that juggling the passive effects was obnoxious, going by their playtest wrapup, so hopefully passive effects are constant while the spark jumping is relegated to the active effects';

'>>92601143
>>92601805
God I hate how the hobby has been subverted by T less numales and mentally insane men in dresses and sodomites';

'Any good 2e damage calculator?';

'>>92605550
hmu friend';

'>>92607402
I dont know how to post 295 mb files';

'would it be better to lower an enemies AC by 2 and then hit them with a spell attack or use true strike and then try to hit them with a spell attack?';

'any way to make split shot meta magic not shit?';

'>>92607969
no, it would be better to be a human fighter that hits them twice with an axe.';

'>>92607969
a reroll with true strike is on average effectively a +5';

'>>92604992
Lolwat. What did the bitch post before?';

'>>92608581
Probably a lot of vitriolic anti-Japanese racism and screeching about miscegnation.';

'>>92604969
As i said before. These LO books are about failed authors writing Racial fan fiction, The game isnt about being a game of elves and dwarves anymore.
>>92604992
The guy is the biggest narcissistic retard ive ever seen as a mod. I had a spat with him and he tried threatening me with my reddit history thats open to anyone to search through anyway. He then deleted all my comments when i started making comments about his obviously racist against japan reddit history.';

'still mad about polar ray being nerfed to utter shit in the remaster to the point its not even the same spell and you probably wouldnt ever pick it now. God fucking forbid casters have a strong option for a high level spell attack roll spell';

'Playing Kingmaker, never played PF before. Got to level 3 and so far missing most attacks.

As I underatood I should pick Outflank (+4 to hit) and Blind Fight (concealment is pretty common). Anything else for martials?

I have no idea which feats to pick for the casters.';

'>>92609393
for casters spell pen is pretty useful';

'>>92609309

As you say, its a different spell than Arctic Rift and therefore, legacy Polar Ray is perfectly legal in remaster.';

'Whats the point of Blood Component Substitution? is it basically just so I can cast spells and not trigger opportunity attacks?';

'>>92609572

That and casting spells without making any noise.';

'>>92609393
The videogame?
Anyway, Outflank actually only gives +2 because you already get +2 while flanking(aka when two characters are attacking the same enemy in melee). You also need to have it with both flanking melee characters for it to work.

Blind Fight becomes kinda useless after your casters get True Seeing spell.

Weapon Focus is recommended for martials, and for full BaB melee ones Power Attack.

For casters just grab Spell Focus and Spell Penetration. Heighten Spell metamagic for the party Dispel Magic spammer.';

'>>92610107
>The videogame?
Yes.

>Power Attack
Not sure about Power Attack so early when I'm missing so many attacks';

'>when you discover that Diehard doesn't work with non-lethal damage
wtf?';

'>>92610528
Well, it is DIE hard. You are not really dying from non-lethal are you?';

'>>92610551
>dying from non-lethal are you?
Yes, you actually die from non-lethal damage
>If a creature's nonlethal damage is equal to his total maximum hit points (not his current hit points), all further nonlethal damage is treated as lethal damage

Anyway, is there a way in 1e to avoid falling unconscious from cheap nonlethal damage?';

'>>92610528
>>92610754
Yes. Either you talk to your GM about the obvious thematic and mechanic oversight that Diehard+Nonlethal is. Or you worship Zon-Kuthon so that you qualify for the Flagellant feat.
>https://aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Flagellant';

'As a certified karaoke-american, I'm pretty happy to see lore for Minata in the new Tian book. Here's hoping for new sarangay ancestry in the future';

'>>92612203
Im sorry dude but the subreddit said its illegal to talk to and about you. Please leave.';

'So is the new Tian Xia book the new low point in Lost Omens releases? I can't remember any other LO book having as little crunch as this one. And no, I don't care about their chink circle jerk.';

'>>92605310
No, I mean, why does he look like...
...that?';

'>>92610754
How often does YUGE non-lethal damage turning lethal actually come up in play and why wouldn't Die Hard just work anyways since it just raises the Dying value threshold.';

'>>92614149
disregard, didn't realize y'all were talking 1e';

'>>92613641
this is by design, as its primarily for GMs (it at least has some gods statblocks)
there was Absalom one, it had only azarketi race iirc, which due to delays of the book came out early in pdf supplement to other LO book
but the worst one in terms of crunch was Travel Guide, which only had shitty fluff about cultures of Golarion, like fashion and cuisine';

'>>92610528
>>92611824
I see it less as a mechanical oversight and more of a thematic win. After all, how many times have you seen it in games and movies where a guy that's going on a rampage gets knocked out with a sucker-punch by a friend who doesn't want them to die from doing something stupid?

It's also just a guaranteed way to ensure that you always have a means of taking an enemy alive if you need to interrogate them later.';

'>PF2e mods are literally deleting homebrew ninja and Samurai archetypes.

I’m so fucking sick of these marxists unironically destroying culture because it doesn’t fit their queersploitation ideals.';

'The funny thing about this "controversy" is that it literally only exists because the mods of that place chose to make it exist. So the writers of the Tian Xia books don't want to do samurai or ninja archetypes, and according to James Case he thinks they can already be represented with the current options. Fine, whatever. I think it's dumb, but I don't really care, and I'm sure most people wouldn't either. The only reason this has become a problem is because the mods of that shithole decided to make it about racism, and kept doubling down when called out on their stupidity. I guarantee no other PF2e community on the internet has managed to make this into a problem.';

'Is this more reddit shit? Why don't you stay there, faggot?';

'>>92614608
Yeah seriously. No one gives a fuck about that place.';

'>1e
A lot of little questions as I burn myself eating food.
>Can a two-barreled firearm hold two bayonets?
>If so, and I attack and deal damage, is it effectively 2d6?
>Do bayoneted guns use Dex or Strength to attack?
>Does a musket with a bayonet deal 1.5x damage if held two-handed?
>Is there any way to not put them in the barrel and undersling them, or at least attach them faster?';

'>>92610754
It's weird about that, every group I've been in and even some PFS GMs thought it was a hard rule that even if you deal a billion non-lethal damage, it stops at zero before you hit them again to start killing them.';

'>>92614247
>I see it less as a mechanical oversight and more of a thematic win. After all, how many times have you seen it in games and movies where a guy that's going on a rampage gets knocked out with a sucker-punch by a friend who doesn't want them to die from doing something stupid?
Fair, but I think those are thematically different situations from what Diehard is supposed to do.

On one hand we have
>"guy who is at death's door gets knocked out by a friend"
where the point is that they really were just a single blow away from going down but had no regard for their own life.

And on the other hand we have
>"guy who should by all means be down but simply doesn't fall"
where the point is that they won't ever stop unless they're killed.

Have you seen The Princess Bride? (you should). The scene where Inigo Montoya confronts his father's killer is exactly what Diehard is about.';

'>>92614743
>Can a two-barreled firearm hold two bayonets?
I don't see why not. Obviously you can only use one at the time though, and having even one attached "renders them temporarily useless as ranged weapons".
>>If so, and I attack and deal damage, is it effectively 2d6?
No. Only benefit would be if you make bayonets from different materials and/or enchantments swapping between them would probably be a free action.
>Do bayoneted guns use Dex or Strength to attack?
It is two-handed weapon so STR unless you have something like Fighter's Finesse.
>Does a musket with a bayonet deal 1.5x damage if held two-handed?
1.5x though it can't be used one handed anyway
>Is there any way to not put them in the barrel and undersling them, or at least attach them faster?
I think there was some sort of magic item for that, though I can't remember what it was. Might have been specific weapon or some shit. But as it stands no without GM specifically allowing it with something else like quick draw, or maybe some third party feat or whatever.';

'>>92614743
I agree with all >>92614837 said.

>Do bayoneted guns use Dex or Strength to attack?
If you want a weapon that alternates between melee/ranged and uses Dex for both, then instead of the bayonet you are limited to the Dagger/Sword Cane Pistol (none of which allows for 1.5x dmg). However, if you dip a level into Swashbuckler and take Weapon Versatility (Axe/Warhammer Musket) you get a finessable weapon that deals 1.5x STR/Power Attack. And regen Grit with both ranged/melee attacks.
No double barreled shenanigans though.';

'>All the actually cool and flavorful 2e weapons have the Advanced Weaponry tag slapped on them
There's not a soijak big enough to properly capture whoever designed that "feature"';

'>fav homebrew
I have a big-ass list of homebrew bloodrager bloodlines, 50 or so of them I think. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1drWOJPokpw79bsRisKJMGueX69spPqoUR8LylcCaXoA/edit
Also, thoughts on my beautiful drawings of the ogrekin in Rise of the Runelords?';

'>>92614608
>>92614622
The problem is Paizo do. Its the best place to hear news for new products and the fact that they dont tell the mods to cut this kind of shit out means they agree with it.';

'Taking craft feats doesn't seem very useful to me as you just aren't really getting a real discount and your recipes are still limited to basically the same stuff you can buy at the big city. Anyone tried making a character that uses crafting in 2e (besides alchemy)?';

'>>92615778
Supposedly the new crafting rules help with that a bit. Haven't bothered to look into it though.';

'>>92613641
You want the players guide for Tian Xia for the fun stuff.';

'This is for Pathfinder 1. My computer recently died and I am trying to find a book I had saved on it. The book had racial levels for monsters in it. It had races like harpies and mariliths broken down into levels where you slowly gained the full powers of the creature. I think the book was 3rd party. If anuone might know the name of this book I would appreciate it greatly.';

'>>92615778
>>92615831
Crafting is unfortunately still extremely lackluster, even with the new craft feats. It's not really a way to save money unless you have an extreme amount of downtime, which is fine, however, it doesn't really do anything for you otherwise, either. Technically there's the possibility of being able to craft your own stuff while in a dungeon or otherwise unable to make purchases, but that use is so niche, and so readily replaced by a spellcaster who can just teleport back to town, that it hardly seems worth investing several skill increases and feats into. I really struggle to find a use-case for Craft outside of classes like Alchemist or Inventor who use it as part of their core class abilities. For everybody else it seems like a pure flavor pick with very little actual utility.';

'>>92615778
It's not really a way to save money, it's a way to exchange money for items when settlements aren't an option, and it might become required at high level from what I can work out.
You need to be in a settlement of the level of item you wish to purchase.
If you want say a level 17 item, you'd need a level 17 settlement.
There are no level 17 settlements in most games because that's a metropolis.
So you can either craft it or teleport to absalom I guess.';

'I don't do crafting because it saves money
I do it because my GM is a fucking asshole who puts tons of arbitrary barriers between us and magic equipment no matter how many fucking times I tell him that the game was made with access to magic gear in mind so I have to take matters into my own fucking hands if I want magic shit.';

'>>92616404
>in most games
to be fair, the most games never reach even near the lvl 17 anyway';

'>>92616434
Reminds me of my GM applying market forces against us. And only ever against us.
>This is the frontier, so healing items are scarce. If you roll good enough you may be able to find a wand of CLW for x10 markup though :)))
>No actually they just had a shipment of stat belts just before you entered the port city, and nobody wants some old item you found in a crypt. The trader says he can do you a solid and take it off your hand for 500 gp though :)))

fucking mudcore GMs, man';

'>>92616434
I don't understand GMs who do this shit
pretty much every tabletop game in existence is balanced with gear in mind
I can only assume it's the faggot GMs who view this as a competition and the GM "wins" be TPKing the party';

'>>92617515
APs do it too.';

'>>92617542
this is incorrect
pretty much every AP will hand out sufficient gear intended for a 4 person party. Obviously if you have more players you personally have to account for that
also frequently APs will hand out upgraded weapons that may not be weapons used by the players, this is where you replace them with weapons your players do use, or in the case of PF2E, the players can simply move the runes to their own weapons';

'>>92617779
>this is where you replace them with weapons your players do use
Not a given.
>or in the case of PF2E, the players can simply move the runes to their own weapons
Takes time which the AP may not offer. Fists of the Ruby Phoenix has one of the funniest examples of this.';

'>>92617779
>pretty much every AP will hand out sufficient gear intended for a 4 person party
NTA but I've heard that Extinction Curse and Quest for the Frozen Flame specifically are terrible about giving parties the correct amount of loot.';

'>>92617826
not all APs are created equal I guess
abom vaults is also horrid about this, you get basically no gold';

'>>92610107
>Heighten Spell metamagic for the party Dispel Magic spammer.
Heighten Magic does very little for Dispel Magic; it directly scales with caster level, not spell level.';

'>pf2e
>making first character in the system
>skip over the dedication feats since I don't like the idea of getting some watered-down version of abilities for a class I didn't want to play
>picking skill feats
>feels like half of them require a certain dedication
>looking up general info about class
>dedications come up constantly as part of builds like a forgone conclusion
Are they really that good?
They didn't seem like the kind of thing to be borderline mandatory.';

'>>92618055
Some of them are really, really strong, (ex. Magus w/Psychic) but the free archetype rule has also just broken people's brains and everyone got used to taking the path of least resistance.';

'>>92618055
Certain dedications provide better benefits than the class feats you can get at certain levels. Most class feats also lean towards making your character more versatile rather than more powerful, but some dedications come with ways to give you some +1s or extra damage here and there.';

'>>92598911
Considering how hated PF2 is, why hasn't another publisher rereleased the PF1 rules?';

'>>92618505
its free money';

'>>92618505
Legendary Games is doing one but it's taking a while because they're trying to fix a lot of Paizo's retarded design decisions instead of just filing the serial numbers off of PF1 and calling it a day.';

'>>92618132
>>92618065
Is it normal to feel restricted on skill feats without a dedication?
Or maybe it's just medicine skill feats.';

'>>92615851

Sure, but even comparing to the original LO World Guide, it had like 100x more crunch than this one.';

'>>92614184
What? As a GM, I need the crunch. Settlement stat blocks. NPC stat blocks. Tables of the 50 largest settlements in any given region. Tables of typical/most common family and given names. Tables of typical flora and fauna in a given region. Tables of local festivals and holidays. Tables of local laws and the fines and punishments associated with various crimes. Tables of random encounters. All the tables.

FFS, those books are supposed to make my job as a GM easier, not have to parse through dozens of pages of fluff to extract useful data.';

'>>92616404
From a meta perspective it seems even worse as it adds an extra trap for DMs. This is just a theory, but I could really see a DM adding in formulas for items if there is a crafter in the party in place of just the normal item thinking it would make the crafter feel useful and be a fun thing (which it is) but now the crafter has to pay (full price) and take time to make the loot they'd have normally just gotten.
Also on a second point having a level 2 feat along with several skills only for them to become relevant at level 17+ is fucking horrible. You'd be much better hiring an NPC to make the formula (as you can make higher level items than your current level it's only restricted based on access to the formula)';

'I'm not sure Paizo hacks understand geography or supply chains. I'm looking at the "Resources" section here.
- none of the regions have Slaves as a resource; not even the Darklands or Kaoling
- Linvarre manages to produce cheese without milk and ships without lumber
- isolationist Wanshou also has no lumber resource to produce ships with
- the neighbouring Chu Ye doesn't have grain or rice as a resource, despite it being mentioned explicitly in the fluff
- nothing and nobody produces paper or parchment in any significant amount, despite books and (presumably drawn and painted) art being everywhere
... and from a quick look through the fluff, most of that isn't even explained anywhere.

I'm not buying setting guides to have to do the hard work of trying to make it all make sense for the authors.';

'>>92619339

That's what you get for your minority circlejerk. They advertise that 40 authors worked on that abomination of a book. No wonder nothing makes sense. Woke brainrot in full effect.';

'>>92619339
>>92619405

Also classic socialist thinking: Get rid of the current system, replace it with <I haven't thought that far ahead>. Resulting in a communist regime with a 100% failure rate as history shows.

So economy making 0 sense is par for the course for the average tankie.';

'>>92618674
What design decisions are they fixing?';

'>>92619339
a while ago paizo decided slavery was too bad to even mention so they decided to delete it from the setting completely, for katapesh and cheliax there were half-assed excuses but for other slavery--dependent places like kaoling, geb, or the darklands it's just never addressed and they'll probably never be "in focus" again.';

'Speaking of Darklands ... that's clearly a Xulgath, right? What else from the list she could be?

Still would.';

'>>92610754
That just means that you don't 1shot with nonlethal
You bring them to -x (and unconscious)
Then if you punch them again they start taking lethal (and then you have to eat through the full hit points to kill them)
Basically to punch a person to death with nonlethal you have to
A) hit them twice at least (so you bring them to x nonlethal damage, then start lethal)
B) and, do twice as much damage total (as nonlethal isn't hit point damage)

Basically, you don't kill people in bar brawls as a 20th level barb unless you punch them twice';

'>>92610754
Fast healing 1 means that on your turn you are always at 1 hp up and 1 nonlethal down so you are always conscious';

'>>92619538
Not sure
Lets say you fight someone with 12 HPs and 12 Con. if you hit them for 60 non-lethal on a single hit, I think he's dead. You deal his max health 12, and beyond that everything is counted as lethal, so enough to remove his 12 hps and leave him below -12. Right? or I'm missing something';

'>>92619558
But that is "additional" not "further"
The former applies to singular and plural actions in pathfinder
The latter always implies plural actions

You can read it as "further applications of nonlethal are treated as lethal"

It's consistent throughout the rules';

'>>92619556
No? fast healing only works on your turn, if someone hit you with lethal or nonlethal to make you drop unconscious outside your turn you fall prone unconcious. On your turn your regian consciousness

Lets say you're Steve Rogers and go "I can do this all day" with Diehard thanks to humongous Con, tourmaline sphere, heart of the wilderness, etc I dunno so you can take a lot of lethal punishment before dying. But someone says "heh lets just deal 1 nonlethal because diehard doesn't work with nonlethal" so you drop unconscious. Even if fast healing heals that nonlethal on your turn, you still dropped unconscious. Seems like incredible cheap way of nullifying PCs with diehard (which is already a meh feat that requieres endurance. lets hope you didn't go further into the feat tax for other stuff that requires diehard)';

'>>92619580
This is even more apparent when you consider that the two clauses (dealing nonlethal) and the rule for converting tonlethal are in two different clauses

You complete the full clause (and thus tally 60 nonlethal damage) for the hit
Another hit would check his hit points and then add damage to hp instead';

'>>92619588
Technically all nonlethal at negative hitpoints is lethal
So it wouldn't knock you out, as itbnever did any nonlethal';

'>>92618674
is there any playtest material from them to look at?';

'>>92614582
Samurai doesn't have to just be, 'guy with katana' which can obviously be easily achieved currently. Wish they took a more final fantasy tactics approach and just do something cool. What tactics does is about big spells based around various legendary blades and have the potential to break them on use. Granted this approach would be more then an archetype as this can easily lead to an interesting action economy.';

'>>92619531
That's probably a caligni, they're from the darklands but they're not on the list.';

'>>92614488
I really feel like this might be a turning point for Paizo. This could be their Rudi moment.';

'>>92619992
What is a rudi moment?';

'>>92619661
https://www.patreon.com/LegendaryGames
They publish classes, spells, feats and stuff here. No need to log in or pay. Should be possible to scrape together enough material for playtesting, though considering how shitty patreon layout is, it is going to be a pain in the ass (honestly I have been hoping that someone has enough autism to look it through and put up a wiki or someshit).

Might also be some stuff in their Discord but I have sworn to never use that piece of shit program.';

'>>92614582
Anyone using the "You can already make this with x options" in a discussion about 2e is a disingenuous cunt. This system has archetypes for any fucking random concept from pirates and vikings to using a fucking butterfly knife but suddenly its a problem for Sam and Ninja.
>>92619701
This.
>>92619992
The Rudi moment was when they started talking about race realism with fantasy elves and Orcs. The Paizo staff approve of how the Mods are acting btw, apparently they are all making jokes on subreddit discord server.
>>92620135
Its where the designers of vampire showed off their lib power level by making a vampire leader the most stereotypical SJW cringelord imaginable.';

'>>92598911
I normally lurk these threads to see any 1e tidbits or stories. Totally missed the TQ.

Of course my TQ is my masterpiece. Giant Ravnica Homebrew.
100 pages of Archetypes, lore, locations and rules, and not a fedora in sight.

Please feel free to comment, question, or give feed back on it.
I'll get some FAQ's out of the way.
1) Are you going to do another Magic Setting? (Usually Theros or Kamigawa)
No, those are just Greece and Japan. there are better setting books for those then what I could make.
2) Are you going to add equipment?
To the person who asked, I looked into it and Ravnica has like no memorable equipment and basically none at all. Its like sunforger, so No to maybe
3) is it done?
I said it would be but then I realized I had to finish up cavalier classes, domains and worst of all i thought up 11 more classes. So no.
4) are you going to do this for 2e?
No, I don't play 2e and the maths tighter so I don't want to fuck it up.
5) Can I share this?
yeah of course, just don't claim you made it, not that I can stop you.';

'>nooo you can't play a samurai it's racist and not indicative of Japanese culture you week!
>magical girl class is okay though';

'>>92619701
I agree, people forget this is a game and you got to make something people want to play or is cool.

That was my whole design philosophy when making this
>>92620360

I admit I don't play 2e, but with a 3 action system there are a billion ways to make something interesting.
right off the top of the dome piece, I am thinking the Samurai gets a bunch of actions that get more powerful the more actions you put in to them. the ones I can think of right away are.

1) Drawing your weapon and attacking, like the 1e samurai had
2) Parry & counter attack
3) The classic single slice
4) Will save, and inspiration boost for allies
5) Fort Save and healing
6) Arrow Barrage
7) Other more mystical weeb shit.';

'>>92619206
You can retrain skills and skill feats in the least time possible, so it's not really a trap.';

'>>92620443
Might just be me, but a lot of these features seem like they'd be more at home on a Ranger than Fighter, which is part of what's bugged me about this whole conversation. I don't think Samurai should be a full class and it probably makes more sense as an archetype, but the people arguing you can totally just make one now aren't even arguing the best class for one in the current iteration of the game so their argument comes off in bad faith.

Similarly I think Ninja is probably more Laughing Shadow or even Dex monk than Rogue.';

'>>92617779
>>92617826
>>92617900
I've noticed this from running games in 1e, no idea if they continued it into 2e, but Paizo has a bit of a bad habit of including "loot" that's accounted as being part of what the party is expected to have when in my opinion unless they're a bunch of skeevy murderhobos there's no way they'd actually take that stuff. Real "scrape this gold off the walls" levels of petty loot acquisitions, and that's not even accounting for the hidden loot that the players may not even know they're supposed to be looking for.';

'>>92619701
If I had it my way, Samurai would basically be Monk plus Fighter with a hint of Champion - high mobility weapon specialist with a bunch of weird things to represent stuff like Iaido or more esoteric weeb magics.

Meanwhile, Ninja is Monk plus Rogue with a hint of Ranger - stealth specialist with insane mobility, sneak attack stuff and a few weeb magic powers.';

'>>92607119
>God I hate how the hobby has been subverted by T less numales and mentally insane men in dresses and sodomites
Nobody told them to get out when they crawled into the hobby, looking for social interaction.';

'>>92618971
>FFS, those books are supposed to make my job as a GM easier, not have to parse through dozens of pages of fluff to extract useful data.
Paizo discovered that playoids "read" the books so they can fine-tune the PC they've been fondling in their imagination, basically mental masturbation where the only way to cure the blue balls is to force their Forever GM into running yet another game that devolves into their "cool" PC doing another "cool" thing. Because that's what Pathfinder and DnD have devolved into; superhero power fantasies where everyone's a Chosen One with some neat reddit-tier gimmick they can tweet about and get epic upboats. What's that, GM? You wanted to run something more serious? Shut up and prepare our next encounter!

The harsh reality is that Paizo is a shadow of it's former self, intellectually, and is staffed almost entirely by Playoids who don't actually know what GMs need or want.';

'>>92620497
Sorry I shouldn't have called it a trap however if a feat only exists to retrain into for a week and then train back out of it's a bad feat/skill and a bad design.';

'>>92620384
Hold on a moment, are you telling me that Paizo is, legitimately, getting angry when people want to play Samurai and Ninja in their Tian Xia book? Like, I'm trying to conceptualize just exactly how this complaint is manifesting because... Sweeping aside all the racial detritus, the Samurai is the Knight of the East, and every-fucking-one wants to play a Knight in Avistan. This shouldn't be a race-thing at all, Samurai are cool because they're armored gentry with sleek curved swords and almost a thousand years of romanticism attached to them. This isn't even a, "haha, yellow man go whoosh." It's that Samurai are fucking cool, they're *cool* because they're Knights.

Do you have any examples of people getting shut down for wanting to play a Samurai? I need to visualize the conversation to actually understand where Paizo is coming from.';

'>still talking about literal reddit shit';

'>>92621089
>getting angry when people want to play Samurai and Ninja in their Tian Xia book?
I think that's just reddit mods getting mad.

Paizo's view on people wanting a samurai is effectively just "Play a fighter".';

'>>92621089
not paizo themselves . Their official stance is technically do it but please be mindful of stereotypes and treating these cultures with respect and not just from what you see on TV but the reddit and discord mods. They perma banned someone for posting a Samurai homebrew on the reddit and are basically calling anyone wanting to play these classes racist. There argument is also that they don't want Samurai to be the only class to represent Asia but also forget that Monk Exist and that the upcoming 2nd part to the Asia book let's players make magical girls which is funny because the moderators are afraid of Samurai representing Japanese fantady but there somehow okay with Anime Magical Girl shit';

'>>92621165
That’s just good old-fashioned racism, pay respect to the old history and do whatever with the new. It’s a very funny take to make because white people have been forced to accept their history is a joke for decades now, like compare how knights are presented to how Paizo wants Samurai to be “respected.”';

'>>92621165
>that official stance
99% of people who play Pathfinder do that anyway - at least on this particular Mongolian Underwater Basket Weaving forum, we're the kind of autists that do our research and represent things reasonably accurately, accounting for a little historical revisionism. We're not gonna forget that Samurai were just Knights with different kit, and that Bushido was a code like Chivalry put in place to stop them being bandits with money and power.';

'>>92621218
>>92621165
Okay now I’m starting to get upset, not because of the statement but because we’ve had 20+ years of people telling us to “be respectful” and “mind stereotypes.” It’s not 2005 anymore, do we really need this message shoved down our throats? It’s like how you still get people wagging their finger over chainmail bikinis even though those are so ancient and forgotten that they’ve become charmingly quaint.

Paizo, you and your opinions are the dominant voice, now. Stop acting like you’re some underdog fighting against a hateful society. You are the privileged, you’re The Man now, dog. It’s actually frustrating how these losers treat their style like it’s counter-culture when it’s the exact opposite.';

'>>92598911
I have a question: what the fuck am i looking at on OP pic.';

'>>92621257
it's like a paragraph dude';

'The weird part is how you can stop people playing as a samurai on his own game when you are the other side of the globe seething about asian ''stereotype''. Virtue signaling doesn't do much.';

'>>92621257
It's because they know that playing the victim works, so they'll never stop playing the victim. Also, constantly harping on so-called "established" beliefs is a classic way for culture to reinforce behavior. Nobody's making chainmail bikini babes in tabletop RPGs anymore, but they *might* in ten years if they weren't told not to. Basically, they've become the very thing they claimed to hate; the overbearing authority figure constantly fretting over little Jimmy's soul.';

'This is not the reddit general. Fuck off already.';

'>>92619531
It's an oni, he's in disguise as a qt.';

'Why yes I'm racist, how could you tell?';

'>>92621472
Oh man, you wish this was the reddit general so you could ban anyone not giving the devs glowing praise.';

'>>92621602
Not your hugbox, tranny.';

'>>92621605
Your comment doesnt make sense anon. The one you replied to said you wished it was reddit so you could ban people and then you reply that he wants a hugbox which seems to be the opposite of what he wants?';

'>>92621646
>wahhh waaahhh the reddit mods were mean to me
I don't care. Kill yourself.';

'>>92621662
Why are you so upset anon? If you want another topic discussed then start one instead of having the grump dumps over people discussing an interesting event involving pathfinder.';

'>>92621218
>>92621257
I actually saw an argument with one of the designers and another guy on discord because they felt that Japanese media is overrepresented and then started bringing up the bloody history of imperial japan for some fucking reason. That felt like the mask slipping and its clear to me that they just hate japan because of historical atrocities. its the same twitter leftist shit that they need to hate on past powerful colonial nations and they should be shamed because they were better at playing Civ 5 than their neighbours.';

'>>92620631
Honestly i don't really care about samurai, but ninja probably are better archetype material. shills Will say that isn't true because you can totally be a ninja of you play a rouge with monk and ranger archetype plus shadowdancer or some shit, but the fact that you need so much disparate stuff to play a popular fantasy is the sign that maybe an archetype would be good
Oh, right, ninja are 100% a racist western invention and never existed, so there is no place for them in this rule of cool kitchen sink fantasy setting';

'>>92620497
Not really related, but I kinda hate the whole retraining thing in ttrpgs.
"Yeah, I was born in blacksmith family and trained my whole life as a blacksmith before going adventuring. Now at lvl 10 I smash my head against coinpurse for a week and forget everything about blacksmithing to be better at shooting things".
I get why it is necessary to have, but fuck.';

'>>92618971
>Tables of the 50 largest settlements in any given region. Tables of typical/most common family and given names. Tables of typical flora and fauna in a given region. Tables of local festivals and holidays. Tables of local laws and the fines and punishments associated with various crimes. Tables of random encounters. All the tables.
Tables aren't crunch.';

'>>92622167
Yeah, they should have included a ritual or some other magical component to it to explain away such inconsistencies. Starfinder does it a bit better by having Mnemonic Editor alter your brain to do it.';

'>>92622167
the alternative is like people throwing out their character sheets to make an almost identical character with 1 minor difference.';

'>>92622853
I think he is probably talking about major changes to characters not just changing some minor feature. Like sure changing fighting style via changing your feats makes sense but learning and forgetting how to craft over a few weeks is just retarded without some form of ritual or journey to do it.';

'>>92623237
Eh makes more sense to me than being at the peak of all your skills all the time without reinforcement.
You should be able to have your character camp out in a toolshed for a month in order to produce a mcguffin, but then they neglect some other part of their capability.';

'>>92620631
>a lot of these features seem like they'd be more at home on a Ranger than Fighter
This is funny as fuck to me as well, because a Precision ranger with a katana was one of the first things I drafted when looking at pf2e. That said, quickdraw is a kind of shit feat, especially now that swap is a universal action. Quickdraw either should be a free action, or just give you access to more action types.

For that matter, I don't even think samurai or ninja would be good full classes, and t those specific names don't need to even be archetypes. But I do think the existing options for pop culture repping them just suck complete ass and no effort is made to offer actual answer to that.
"Rogue/Ranger/Investigator with psychic dedication" could be a pop culture Ninja I guess, but that's lame as fuck and ignores every other thing you might want to do (like throw any weapons and not have it be dogshit).

Pop culture samurai really just needs a version of duelist or aldori duelist that doesn't put you to fucking sleep with how boring it is. No actually good action compression, barely any style, nothing that's over the top. They're just fucking boring.';

'[PF2] I'm currently brewing a scenario with weak demigods that are dangerous but potentially beatable by a high level party if given enough preparation and luck.

The main difference between a L20 character and a demigod is you start to get mildly precognitive -- the obvious build for this is the ability to reroll your checks (reroll once, choose highest result).

Would a L20 character with the ability to reroll everything be strong enough to take a regular L20 party, or would the party still overwhelm them with action economy? I'm not really used to running high level campaigns.

Thanks.';

'>>92623596
Nope, not a chance.
You need raw numbers to lower pc success rate raise monster success rate.
Treerazer for instance is a good starting point if you want to dissect something that would pose a challenge for a max level party.
For a level 20 pc to oppose four level 20 pcs, they would have to raise the degree of success of all checks they make by one, and lower the degree of success of all checks made against them by one, automatically.';

'>>92624008
Okay, thank you, I'll check out Treerazer.';

'>>92620247
>>92619701
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with their reasoning either, but at the end of the day it's whatever. If they don't wanna do samurai or ninja archetypes, fine, whatever. A lot of people were disappointed, but nobody was really outraged. My point was that this only became an issue when a bunch of self-righteous reddit mods decided to rub it in everyone's face and call anyone who wanted them in the first place racist.';

'>Guardian
>Commander
who the fuck comes up with this shit?';

'>>92621292
The name is the filename, basically it's the qlippoth's CR 2 monster that every outsider family gets.';

'>>92624372
Me';

'>>92621165
>reddit and discord are trash';

'I dont miss fighterschizo';

'>>92624372
Guardian seems a little redundant with the champion, but commander is 100% what I want.
I want to order others to smack shit for me.';

'>>92624372
It just seems like they're trying to make classes out of two popular archetypes (Marshal and Sentinel). Without seeing the class it's hard for me to grasp why Guardian couldn't have just been a feat line given to Fighter/Paladin and then also Sentinel the way Archer, etc. do it, though.

I like the name Commander more than Marshal, but Sentinel more than Guardian.';

'do you think we could get paizo to cut ties with the community and frame it to blame the discord/reddit mod? it would be enough for them to stop posting';

'https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43vev?mythic-rules-confirmed-discuss#28

>"I would like things like this, full of awesome flavor.
>But be assured that anything that can be weaponized to achieve MOAR POWER will be.
>I feel the path between boringly mundane and cool but balance-breaking is extremely narrow. I hope Paizo can find it."

God I hate these people so much, this is WAR GAME you idiot';

'>>92626352
I don't get it';

'>>92626401
women poop too you know';

'>>92626352
people who play this games as a means to RP and not fight cool shit and be powerful are HUGE FAGGOTS';

'Has anyone tried playing Seven Dooms of Sandpoint yet?';

'>>92626566
Bros is this real??';

'>>92627694
If you DM allows it.';

'which archdevil would have domain or control over like pencil pusher type devils?';

'>>92617900
>abom vaults is also horrid about this, you get basically no gold
Abomination Vaults give little actual gold, but it gives you tons of items which can be easily sold in Otari';

'is there any known relationship or connection to Rovagug and entities from The Dark Tapestry';

'>>92617900
What? My players just got to floor 8 and they've been able to afford fundamental runes for the whole group whenever they've hit the level where they should have them.

I haven't really been juicing them other than replacing specific weapons/armors with ones they'll actually use. Shit, I'm running a 5 player party and I haven't been adjusting gold to award to an extra player.';

'>>92621947
I'll bet you money that the designer was Mainland Chinese or otherwise related to CCP. Not even Koreans hate Japan that much.';

'>>92628004
>worshipping a devil of paperwork
Rube just worship Braismois so you can alter paperwork after the fact.';

'>>92626352
As someone who desperately wants mythic in 2e I maintain that having them do it where you just get +1's per tier or whatever is NOT fun and does not inspire me in the least. Mythic should allow you to do things that would be otherwise impossible by mortal means without it, and in 1e all of the best mythic stuff when it came to flavor were explicitly NOT the ones that just gave you more +1's, even if those were the "best" mechanically.';

'Is Strange Aeons a good AP if I liked Carrion Crown and would it be hard to convert it to PF2?';

'>>92628200
Nope white american. You forget how cucked liberal whites are my friend.';

'>>92621947
>>92628200
it's actually a lot more simple then colonial history. it's the simple fact that Japanese culture is popular and especially popular among right Wingers so they hate it out of principle';

'>>92628226
>rube
whats that? and what else can you tell me about braismois?';

'>>92629458
Why would you want to convert it to 2e though? 1e is objectively superior in every respect.';

'>>92598911
maybe my reach is a bit limited but... is there even a single good dude ruler that's not a dickish fuckface or is it really all slaaay qweens?';

'>>92630344
The Pharaoh of Osirion seems pretty competent. If you're talking Good in an alignment sense I think the only two Good leaders of major countries are Galfrey and the queen of Kyonin.';

'>>92624600
I was always disappointed that demodands never got one.';

'>>92630297
Truth, 2e was a neat idea but it's not good. I haven't tried 2e remastered but my table probably won't bother with it.';

'>>92630664
dont bother with the remaster. hardly anything is changed, its not worth.';

'>>92630753
oh come on, plenty has changed ...for the worse.';

'>>92630664
I'm having fun with 2e. I don't get what's so bad about it. Maybe the spell casting?';

'>>92630767
>I don't get what's so bad about it.
It is designed to be played with randoms from the internet. And if that sentence does not fill you with the horror, you probably are a part of the problem.';

'>>92630779
I have played with randoms on the internet, and it does fill me with horror. I think I've only had one good experience with it and we were goofing around playing MAID rpg.
But HOW is it designed to be played that way? I don't see the problem if you are looking for a crunchy ttrpg.';

'>>92630787
You don't understand.
I need an adversarial gm or the game doesn't feel legitimate.
I need cashgrab splatbooks that allow me to surpass the encounter math or what's the point of reading them.
Without the ability to make a cookie cutter character that abuses features that were never intended to be combined I feel stupid and disadvantaged.
These are all important and they're all missing.';

'>>92630787
1e has far more crunch, but 2e design is simply bland; they've made all decisions with the assumption that the players are the worst powergamers, which is why trying to make unusual builds ends up making your character unnecessary baggage for the rest of the party. There's a good reason why Fighter is commonly considered to be the most powerful class, even though it simply has no weaknesses and +2 to attack.';

'>>92630827
Ah this makes sense. Balancing your game around power gamers is usually not a good thing. I've played 1e, but I enjoy that 2e is more "simple". Probably because of the number of splat books that 1e has. How do you fix it? Better spells to get the casters more in line?
>>92630818
Get a grip anon!!';

'>open the new AP module
>viscerally disgusted just thumbing through it without even reading the module
am I the only one? Ever since 2e started, except for MAYBE Age of Ashes, Paizos stuff feels like such garbage.
Even in the twilight of 1e stuff like Strange Aeons was a banger and shit like Tyrants Grasp at least felt tonally sound';

'I don't think Samurai needs it's own class. An Archtype maybe but fighter already has everything you need to play a samurai';

'>>92631261
>fighter already has everything
But it lacks the boshido code, draw strikes, leadership personality.

Nigga with a curved sword is just that, not a samurai.';

'>>92631261
Guardian can just be played by Champion but we're still getting an entirely new class just to cuck Champions even more.
>Samurai would step on Fighter's toes
Ah, I understand now. Can't upset the main character of PF2E.';

'>>92631199
yeah, i dont think I enjoyed any of the ap except like early ruby phoenix or just the first few books of blood lords. It's just lame.';

'>>92630827
>1e fan
>Actual well stated reasons for dislike. Most likely an adult.
>>92630818
>2e fan
>screeching strawman. Most likely still an insecure teenager, if not physically then mentally

Tale as old as time.';

'What's an acceptable AC for melee in 1e? I have no diea what values I should be aiming for and getting hit all the time in WotR.';

'>>92633045
Well, you should have ring of protection, amulet of natural armor, and +armor as high values as you can afford after getting decent weapon. But that is just a baseline, the real armor comes from the Dexterity and getting as high as possible max dex on your heavy armor (basically Mithril Full Plate).
Also buckler shenanigans though those tend to be controversial.

As for the videogame, just keep an eye on max dex cap in your armors and make sure you have enough dex to fill it. Having Dodge feat helps if you can affort to take it.';

'>>92633045
The benchpressing document is often used as a baseline.
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CCxnAb8apicr3fOrSCEFNRwHlzRieMrXm6ld9-uLAFc/edit#gid=0
The AC values are a bit skewed though since they're based on enemy's lowest BAB attack rather than their best. But try to reach the green value at the minimum. And try to get miss chance pronto. After that, it's about being strategic and denying enemies their full-attacks.
But WotR is mythic no? That makes normal assumptions void.';

'>>92626401
I have seen this dudes'(I don't care what pronouns they use, we all know that TTRPGs are mostly played by MEN) posts for a few years now. Every single post is like this. It never stops! He's too stupid to realize that he is one of Pathfinder 2e's biggest enemies. Pathfinder is a product, it has to SELL. People are constantly posting on the Paizo forums(huge mistake) about how they aren't having fun playing. Like a moth to a flame, here one of "them" comes with "You want the wrong kind of fun. And you aren't smart enough to truly enjoy the great things about this system. Trust me, the game system is perfect." instead of actually reading that people are not enjoying this shit.';

'>>92630827
I like 2e a lot, but I have pretty consistently found it confusing that the game feels like it was designed to be beginniner/5e convert friendly, but then leans pretty hard into an expected power level that requires a bit of min/maxing that I think the average "I've never played an RPG before" player is not ready for, as a means of limiting powergaming by presenting a hard cap.

Friend's girlfriend joined our group and she did not like like that it felt completely mandatory to hit 18 in your important stat or you were trolling. And, honestly, she had a point - if there's never a reason to not be 18 STR Fighter, why bother letting me be anything else?

>>92631332
They could not have picked a funnier timing for this drama, ignited the same day they announce two new classes you can pretty much already make.';

'>>92630762
What fucking changed other than wording? What changed other than things only people who believe in the 'great replacement' care about? I shiggy diggy you're not using the official setting, because there's too much noise to build something good.

Oh, I forgot. People who complain about a book they haven't bought to play a game they profess they'll never play are just complaining to complain. Eat bricks, please.';

'So, will Paizo bow to the offended Reddit mods or will they stop caring about them?';

'>>92638173
The only legitimate complaints I've read is that they made the champions bonuses even more niche and fucked the wizard without giving anything back. The first one will be fixed with core 2.';

'>>92638841
Still seems to be a developing story. I went over to check out the drama and it really seems like the whole place is actually against the mods on average on this one, especially now that the mod in question's post history has become more well known and it is becoming harder for him to deny his own blatant racism against the japanese.';

'>>92638841
There's zero need for Paizo to make a statement about some Reddit jannies. If anything, they're stroking each other off in the discord.';

'>>92618968
It also had country write-ups like three paragraphs long. I'd take this over some more weak Archetypes in a heartbeat.';

'>>92638173
>wizard changes are dog shit
>focus points changes will be reveled to be dog shit once psychic remaster rolls out
>no caster runes
yeah remaster is fucking garbage';

'>>92638173
I like some of the Witch changes, but I think a lot of new feats could use a bit more thought than being vaguely witchy. A lot feels rushed.';

'>>92639358
I hope they redo the World Guide + Character Guide, considering that the Ancestries are now part of the Player Cores. They are also replacing Gods and Magic, after all.
The Campaign Guide + Player's Guide worked for D&D 4 (apart from slaughtering the Realms), but the PF2 books were far to reliant on each other.
And they should have released Hellknights before Firebrands and Lastwall.';

'>>92638919
Im honestly surprised the nerd is not deleting any comments calling him out. Almost respectable in a way that despite being such a moron at least he's not gone far enough off the deep end to completely silence his opposition
then again, deletion would be an admission of guilt';

'>>92639888
He said he was taking a 3-day break from Reddit, but I'm shocked he actually did it.';

'>>92638955
You are correct that they wont but its pretty much an open secret that several of the devs use it and are at least chummy with the mods on reddit and especially discord. Either some Paizo social media rep has asked them to chill out or dont care and the dev team agrees with the mods.';

'>>92639888
He was absolutely doing that until probably the other mods stopped him.';

'>>92640021
Supposedly the compulsive liar schizo chink at the heart of this kerfuffle has blackmailed several of the other mods into being complicit in the crusade against japan.
It's for the best that Paizo makes no statements whatsoever and lets the dumpster-fire burn itself out.';

'>>92640046
Was that the guy claiming Samurai didn't exist?';

'>>92640046
I continue to believe this guy isn't even Hmong and is lying about that too to get away with being racist against the Japanese amongst wokes. The thing about habitual liars like this is that they're always telling more lies than you think. Think Tommy Tallarico or George Santos. You have to assume everything they say about themselves is a lie by default.';

'>>92640077
Dude all the wokes agree with this because they all hate Japan for being the "bad" asians who are most famously imperialists but not communists, want to keep being an ethnostate against globohomo and right wingers generally think Japan is a great place.';

'>>92638841
Will you stop sucking reddit cock and vomiting up their cum in here?';

'Wait, I was sure they promised two new archetypes with it';

'anybody sharing the TX book yet?';

'>>92599684
Point out the Targets section to him.';

'>>92640077
He's claimed to be related to at least one celebrity.';

'>>92640450
Does his uncle work for Paizo?';

'>>92640688
his aunt works for paizo you fucking transphobe.';

'>>92631518
>yeah, i dont think I enjoyed any of the ap except like early ruby phoenix or just the first few books of blood lords. It's just lame.
Imagine running APs with plots you don't care about, in locales that feel excessively generic in a setting that lost it's luster years ago. What exactly about Golarion is compelling to you? We already know how things are going to go; the Whispering Tyrant is the new cosmic threat, all the countries are going to be dominated by lame and gay black women (hell, even the cosmology,) and every "evil" race is going to get a redemption arc where they become like Nocticula and turn into sassy wine aunts that have forgettable portfolios around ambiguous "le freedom" nonsense.

No edges, no points of contention. Anything Golarion had that made it unique was lost long ago.';

'>>92640959
>and every "evil" race is going to get a redemption arc where they become like Nocticula and turn into sassy wine aunts that have forgettable portfolios around ambiguous "le freedom" nonsense.

>mfw the fuckin' orcs are getting a redemption arc
>For level 3-TBA. For ages, the orcs of Belkzen have been marginalized, subjugated, and vilified, relegated to the rocky northern wastes. Yet in recent battles waged against their undead nemeses, orcs showed the world that they have a common enemy—the evil lich-lord known as the Whispering Tyrant. Now, openminded leaders like Ardax the White-Hair have initiated a grand diplomatic campaign to bury old grudges and forge alliances across the continent. There are few takers.
Oh boy, this is just like Critical Role! The big enemy are undead, because that's the only "safe" auto-evil threat settings have anymore.';

'>SIR DO NOT REDEEM THE EVIL RACE!!!!!!!!';

'>>92641117
How *is* Vudra doing, these days?';

'pf2e. is there info anywhere on weakness values anywhere? i am adding some weapon rules to my weapon in foundry (as thaumaturge) and want to add a damage selector for triggering weakness. does weakness ever go beyond 5? is 5 the "common maximum"? i dont see this info around on nethys anywhere.';

'>>92641353
It does get higher than 5, especially on the higher level outsiders - Like a Vrolikai demon gets weakness 15 to cold iron and holy.';

'Just because I still have it saved
>The PCs might choose to remain impartial in their reading, seeking only to perform the reading and avoid having a hand in shaping the role of Golarion. In this case, they see a variety of different events, many of which are in the immediate future. They see two great powers declare war and many neighbors needing to pick sides. They see great legacies reclaimed where they were thought lost. They see the return of great evils thought lost to time. They see the sun destroyed. They see some deities laughing in delight at beloved mortal entertainers, while others consume them and choke them with cruelty. They see countless spirits shrieking in agony. They see old gods fall and new gods rise in their place. They see a pale cataclysm ravage the lands, leaving only corruption and tangled thorns in its wake. They see a humble village grow where there was nothing before. They see an immense red bird raining fire down upon a small town. They see ultimate power within the grasp of almost countless hands. They see new lands rise from ashes of ancient civilizations. They see a crowned phoenix with the tail of a peacock, its return presaging vengeance upon the world.
I guess only
>They see great legacies reclaimed where they were thought lost.
>They see a humble village grow where there was nothing before
Came true in last year?';

'>>92641353
Seems odd that it's nyi.
https://foundryvtt.com/packages/pf2e-thaum-vuln
Use that.
If you wanted to diy it what I'd do is write an effect that applies weakness to the actors you're using exploit vulnerability against, I wouldn't put it in the weapon.';

'What world are you running your games in? I was thinking of going 1e golarion for my new game as I don't like the changes they made in 2e but I might try and breakout and try thing different. Any other settings you prefer to run your pathfinder games in?';

'>>92642803
>using the official setting in any game';

'>>92643975
Do third party or homebrew pathfinder settings even exist?';

'>>92643975
no idea what's bad about choosing specific areas
osirion and linnorm kingdoms are fucking based
half the groundwork is done, and I'm not needing to create dozens of npcs to replicate the ones who already exist
and if i don't like the fact that everyone's a she/it transformer, faggot or otherwised non-based, then they get 360 degree character changes or don't fucking exist';

'Monster abilities are allowed to be cooler than PC abilities.';

'>>92642803
My setting is technically within the Golarion canon but is faaaaar back into the past, basically back when the Material Plane was first being manifested. The planet the players are on is so far unnamed but I'm going less "Carl Sagan's Cosmos" and more "Beta testing a video game" with how the world is being shaped around the players, with the gods essentially acting as the devs implementing patches.';

'>>92643975
For tables that I don't intend to do a long-standing campaigns official settings are the way to go.';

'>2E
5 person party, if you were to create a rival adventuring party, what you doing
>Inexorable Iron Magus
>Fighter
>Fire Dragon Instinct Barb
>Ranger Archer
>Battle Oracle

Intend to have them encounter each other over the levels in various guises';

'>>92644156
>"Dashes so quickly it's impossible to tell they moved at all"
>Still provokes reactive strikes
Fucking paizo';

'>>92644301
>Magus gets to go up against a Summoner in a martial/magic duality thing, but this time split
>Fighter just gets a Mirror Match
>Barb gets a Wind Monk with Dragon Disciple (Ice) stuff, fight to see who is the most draconic
>Archer gets a mono-Wind Kineticist for a ranged duel combined with some aerial nonsense
>Battle Oracle gets a Warpriest Cleric for no-god divine vs god divine';

'>>92603278
>>92620384
>>92603278
I'm confused why you think a magical girl is on the level of samurai in terms of Asian archetypes. That'd be like if there was an American book and being mad about a cowboy and then bringing up superheroes.

I'm just not really sure of the relevance or how they're connected in your head';

'>>92644099
>>92644142
>>92644227
It is so much easier to just make shit up on the fly. If you're running pregenerated APs, sure, you're using the official setting. But if you're doing anything else the game should be your bull to take by the horns, not Paizo.';

'I'm interested in trying a either pathfinder 2e or Starfinder. What's the more interesting system out of the two.

I played the kingmaker crpg and it got me very interested in getting away from dnd';

'>>92645423
The CRPG is based on 1e.
2e is a very different game from 1e.';

'>>92645437
Yeah I understand that. I read the book and the more action point orientated combat seemed interesting';

'>>92645423
>>92645456

Starfinder is more or less complete as a second edition based off the rules of Pathfinder 2e is being made right now set to release next year.

You could play Pathfinder 2e right now and you'd be set for Starfinder since they'll be so similar.
> I read the book and the more action point orientated combat seemed interesting
It's a game changer. I love it makes combats more tactful and lets players really experiment with the environment and such and everyone I've introduced to it has been spoiled by it and don't go back to 5e';

'>>92645525
Yeah as soon as I saw the action point thing I kinda fell in love with the system, very divinity os2. I always felt action + bonus action felt kinda limiting.

I'll take your advice and go with 2e then and save starfinder for its next edition. Is there a decent character building site for it?';

'>>92645391
95% of the time this gets worse results than just using the official setting, because people do it because they don't want their players to get mad at them for getting lore wrong, rather because they actually have any better worldbuilding ideas than the game designers.';

'Is construct innovation inventor workable or does the pet just miss everything?

I've found my attempts to build a satisfying armor or weapon one completely fruitless as they get jack shit for action compression and nothing too impressive in their core kit or feats but the idea of hitting overdrive and then just swinging twice with the construct and firing a shortbow twice on subsequent rounds seems like it has promise.';

'>>92645583
Wanderers Guide is pretty good, so is pathbuilder but you need to pay $5 for the full version';

'>>92645686
The main problem construct inventor has is the construct taking up all your feats.';

'>>92645583
Pathbuilder is amazing. You need to pay for a few features but it's only like $6 and not a subscription or anything, just a one time purchase. The only thing is that you need to buy the mobile and desktop versions of pathbuilder separately - if you buy one, you don't get access to the other.';

'friend of mine made pixel art of our party's oracle and paladin';

'>>92646032
That seems fine, I mapped it out and the companion tax seems like it mostly comes at levels I don't care about the other feats at anyway.

Looks like I'm making an inventor next.';

'>>92646092
Yeah pathbuilder is really good';

'>>92646142
looks woke';

'>>92640982
>Marginalized
Cause they were evil cunts
>Subjugated
I don't think these people know what this word means
>Villified
Cause they were evil cunts';

'>>92644156
I'd take Path of Iron over that any day.';

'>>92646142
Cool as hell desu';

'>>92646588
what
>>92646648
ty
>>92640982
not even undead are safe anymore lol ive seen tons of people complain about how the "system of souls is inherently unjust" and how hatred of undead is "just hating people who want to live" its fuckin dumb';

'2e

Anyone have any success using Powerful Leap?';

'Wait, inventor gets a level 2 class feat that requires expert in crafting. The class gets free progression in crafting. It hits expert at level 3.

Who the fuck designed this shit?

>>92647095
It's entirely down to the table. Jumping and climbing gain so much value if you deal with a lot of verticality but that can be hard to keep track of when running a game so most GMs don't bother.';

'>>92647133
available for archetype with the usual 1-2nd level feat';

'>>92647157
So what, they're balancing the game around you taking a specific archetype from an optional variant rule that isn't allowed in organized play?

Insanity.';

'>>92647133
it should be a skill feat for that reason desu';

'>>92647133
paizo devs continue to be proven to be retarded faggots';

'>>92601143
The mod was outed as being racist against Japanese and using the "its orientalism" argument as a shield.';

'>>92647217
The entire existence of level 1 caster feats come down to one single ancestry feat that only humans get allowing them to pick up an extra first level class feat. Stuff like that is normal for Paizo.';

'My players will be fighting a ghoul, a zombie hound, and a zombie snake next session. This is session 2 and I want to build up the dread before this encounter as I am trying to run an eerie horror-adjacent game. How can I accomplish this? The party has about 4 in-game hours to travel before they reach their destination (they are tracking what they believe to be a chupacabra) and I don’t know how to run travel without just hand waving it and having the focus of the session be them setting up camp and bullshitting around in-character and stuff. Help';

'>>92647487
Those can be a little deceptive because a lot of classes do just give a free first level feat for picking a subclass. And the ones that don't tend to give you what a feat from another class would give you for free.

I guess my example for this would be a cloistered cleric getting the domain initate feat for being a cloistered cleric, but I'm pretty sure that druids and bards get the same treatment. The cleric feat is just a first level focus spell and focus point. A sorcerer gets no first level feat but they do get a first level focus spell and point just as a class feature for existing.

But the point is moot because I play sorcerers every chance I get in this system and I always go human (Half-elf) so I can take reach spell with natural ambition at level 1 and then dangerous sorcery at level 2.';

'>>92647510
All I can really think of in like 5 minutes is to have them encounter a peasant or something that was attacked and managed to escape, but has advanced ghoul fever and zombie rot, and a badly wounded hand they're concealing.
Then after they attempt to help or question this person to no avail, said person bites their own arm in half, and it spawns a weak crawling hand.
Person then gets attacked by their own hand and dies.

It's a pretty trivial encounter but they wouldn't have weapons drawn or anything, and it messes with their assumptions about what's happening.
It also baits them into expending resources to keep the guy alive and to recall knowledge on extraneous topics to obtain bad information.
Fog of war stuff.';

'>>92647613
Cheers, that works, thanks Anon. A trivial encounter is probably for the best because they’re only a party of three, so the big main encounter is going to be a severe encounter that I don’t want to wipe them out. Good idea Anon';

'About to give my group whiplash because I'm usually a hard encounter kind of GM but they're about to set foot on an island full of evil creatures that are, when compared to the 7th level party, weak as fuck.

The entire session is going to be the players stomping up until the final boss which will be mild peril at best.';

'>>92647553
dangerous sorcery should be baseline for the sorc class';

'>>92615778
If you use everything from treasure vault adapted to the new rules, it has a solid niche, its the only way to recycle magic items for full price assuming your dm doesn't allow you to just sell them at full and it occasionally gives items unique effects. Anything else and its pure dogshit.';

'I’m trying to run a serious game but I didn’t want to tell my friends no and now the party’s bard is a gnome hibachi chef who has the Lore (Meat) skill. What the fuck is meat lore even useful for? What does that even mean?';

'>>92640021
the old pathfinder 1e discord is way more used by paizo people and oldfags in the community, the crazy deranged american mod with "an associate's degree in martial arts" and a raging hateboner for japan who seethes about how "REEEEE NINJAS AREN'T REAL, SAMURAI WERE LANDLORDS, JAPS WERE WORSE THAN HITLER!!!!!" 24/7 is the main moderator of the 2e-specific discord which is why it's an unbearable shithole even by discord grooming freakazoid standards';

'>>92647874
Set expectations before the game starts. Making the theme of your game a surprise has never actually been a good idea.';

'>>92647874
kill the bard till he gets the point. to show how serious it is';

'>>92631332
God I really hope they fucking branch the champion out to holy warrior rather then just holy tank.';

'>>92647874
a humorous character is always welcome in a serious campaign';

'>>92647452
Link?
>>92648009
It's probably going to remain very tanky/defender-y in the remaster, but in an upcoming splat we ARE getting a cleric class archetype that's most likely full-martial-prof war priest in exchange for becoming a bounded caster.';

'>>92644306
We cant have the main character of 2e feel bad anon.';

'>>92647874
>What the fuck is meat lore even useful for?
Meat.';

'>>92640273
>pocket mud!';

'>>92648585
No, fuck off.
I've had this player before, I've had the person trying to play the cartoon character in a serious campaign before. All they do is derail every single fucking moment that is meant to be taken with any amount of solemnity, infuriating every other person at the table trying to take it seriously. People trying to imitate this fucking comic are such a fucking chore to deal with, and it never ends up working.';

'>>92648918
Skill issue
bet you also get mad at people who pick race that not human/half elf/elf';

'>>92647946
The Paizo devs haven't talked in the 1E Discord for half a year or longer. The 2E one has several designers and devs in there all the time, even spoiling stuff there from time to time';

'speaking of spoilers, nice to see that "martial support" isn't just "martial who supports only other martials"';

'>>92647719
Funny enough, players themselves can make easy enounter into difficult one by overthinking. I have been abusing that fact by slowly building up tension and anticipation before dropping a supposedly easy encounter and slamming on some threatening battlemusic.
It is funny for example seeing a caster panic and use his whole turn and defensive spell to escape from a creature he could probably kill in unarmed melee.';

'>>92649139
>Spend two actions to cast X cantrips
>They still miss/get resisted';

'>>92649181
all squadmates imply that you still generate value from others in this scenario, and cantrip at reaction speed is still good, there are only so many dragon biles (that you'd discredit because its a SAR) or similar shit you can have on you and casters generally don't have that many reaction uses (recognizing spells is almost forgotten, counterspell is trap) unless everyone poaches Redeemer';

'>>92649139
That's pretty powerful, even if it only allows one cantrip per use.';

'>>92649235
Yeah, can see this being pretty cracked if you have a psychic at the table.';

'>>92648977
Funniest fucking thing I've read in this whole Samurai shit show.';

'>>92649408
He's right. It released in 2019.';

'This is all alchemists fault. It started with funny goblin bombers and now all fucking evil races are getting rewritten into misunderstood good guys oppressed by chuds.';

'>>92649530
No, this is the fault of the D&D 5 audience who started to see Orcs as a representation of African Americans when they were far closer to british anti-german propaganda in WW1.';

'>>92649557
>mixing up orcs as african americans
lmao orcs are far superior to african americans. What a silly mistake.';

'>>92649530
Not really. This is because ttrpgs become mainstream so political parasites came out the woodwork to gain control over another nerd hobby.';

'>>92649139
this will probably be some lvl 14 or 16 bullshit thats too late to actually make good use of';

'>>92649628
yeah, that checks out.';

'>>92649139
I'm actually pretty excited for this class if it's based on trading your actions for ally actions. Not the direction I expected at all, I thought I was going to be warrior muse Bard without spells.';

'>>92649557
>African Americans
Say Blacks. Most of them have not known Africa in like 300 years.';

'>>92649139
>>92649628
it does not have level listed, so its probably class feature, so at least it would be free';

'>>92649684
Im assuming it was cropped to hide if it was a feat or class lvl feat at 13 or 11 or what ever. doesnt seem like something they would start with.....';

'>>92649628
ive seen decent argument that your squad size will be super limited and expand over time so its a prioritisation matter of "when do i add x-type character" and with that in mind it might not even be that taxed on level requirements';

'>>92647754
Okay neat I hadn't read that. Just read it there and while there are some restrictions and it doesn't seem worth doing unless you are making a similar item but in the case you are it's well worth it if your DM lets you

Critical Success If you are deconstructing the item to
make a new, similar item, you can apply 80% of the cost
of the deconstructed item to the new item. If you are
deconstructing the item for raw materials alone, you can
apply 55% of the cost of the deconstructed item to a single
new item. In either case, if this is in excess of the new item’s
cost, the remainder is lost.

Success As critical success, but you can only apply 75% of the
deconstructed item’s cost to the new similar item and 50%
of the deconstructed item’s cost to any single item.';

'>>92649557
>D&D 5 audience who started to see Orcs as a representation of African Americans

No one thought this expect like two people that got shit on by bothsides of the american political spectrum.';

'>>92649830
Yet both 5e and 2e introduced race realism into their games and are turning all races into grey sludges with different hats.';

'>>92649725
If squad size isn't limited then it'll scale massively out of control with oversized parties. Not that the game handles those well to begin with.';

'>>92649870
True, and just try to include any culture or ideas that aren't overused mainstream slop, and everyone will start screeching about racism or cultural appropriation faster than anybody has even time to read what you've written.';

'>>92650085
Wayang seem well-received, though?';

'>>92650085
I will once again remind everyone that TTRPGs are no longer about roleplaying fantasy elves or dwarves anymore and instead its about narcissists injecting themselves into a fantasy setting and making it more like their horrible real world lives. Writing your setting as being direct rips of every culture on earth instead of a general pastiche of common tropes was a mistake because narcissists will now fight over who has the most page focus. This is what that entire subreddit meltdown was truly about, a SEA-Yank and his white lib Yank allies shitting the bed because people think Japan is cooler than Indonesia and its abject poverty.';

'>I can beat up the big bad bully even though I am a crippled midget freak
These kinds of self inserts make me laugh so hard.';

'This is onions';

'>>92650946
Unlike the non-chili one where intolerance is only okay if it's directed toward westerners and Japan?';

'>>92649139
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v57080523?Warcry-Playtest';

'>>92652230
New thread';

'>>92647874
Talk with your player, anon. I know this is hard but I believe in you. Snark aside, sounds like the guy watched Dungeon Meshi and wants to be the parties Senshi. Whether this is the case or not, you should not be wondering what to do with a lore that a player picks themselves. Work it out with them. I give it a high chance though he wants to be able to know what monster meat is edible or not.';