'>>92630706
>TQ
Own everything made for Genesys, a large amount of Savage Worlds (Core books and tools, everything Pathfinder, all the SWADE stuff for RIFTS and Dead Lands) got a bunch of FATE and a smattering of GURPS.

In terms of the systems I like and use among what I have?
Savage Worlds gets the most use because I got enough content to plug and play stuff easy AND my group is familiar with it.
Genesys is a close second, would probably be the number one but half the group won’t touch it because of proprietary dice. Those that do play it agree it is the best all-rounder system.
GURPS is shit. Too convoluted for what amounts to a basic bitch system and FATE is just way too loose.';

'Just make something up lol.';

'>>92631082
That says that if there's no overall winner, then re-roll the contest according to the established rules. The GM is encouraged to come up with an explanation as to why neither side succeeded; due to the sheer number and variety of potential skill combinations and possible circumstances in an individual contest it would be impossible to provide an exhaustive and comprehensive list of outcomes.
It does not say you should make up a new rule on the spot. The GM describing the situation after the results of die rolls, even if the status quo is unchanged, is a common part of role-playing games (as anyone who plays those games knows).';

'Cepheus Engine is a universal system based off of Traveller and there is a ton of third party support for it. DESU it's a lot more appealing than the options in OP's pic.';

'>>92634469
If Cepheus is a universal system then so is D&D 5e. Just because the mechanics port to genres other than sci-fi doesn't make it generic.';

'>>92634910
Yeah, people recommending X system modded to handle Y as opposed to using a generic system that is purpose built to something that is built for modding to what you need just REEKS of someone who flat out refuses to learn a new system.';

'>>92630706
How do I handle saving throws in FUDGE?';

'>>92637179
Roll four dice. If you got mor plus than minus, you succeed. Tied or lower, you fail.';

'Do you have any opinions on OVA? I was thinking of picking it up to run a game with some friends because of the anime flavoring of it. I wanted to try and run a magical girl/boy game with it.';

'>>92630706
>TQ
I recently printed out my PDF for the FUDGE core rule book, I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. Gonna get the 10 year anniversary version at some point too.
>>92637179
FUDGE has two types of actions: Opposed and unopposed. Unopposed actions are used in situations where an outcome of an action is not affected by other characters actions. You just roll against a difficulty and read the dice. Opposed actions are actions where the outcome is effected by another party such as a duel. In such a case a relative degree determines how well you did compared to another character. It's expressed in levels, like you get a good result and your opponent gets mediocre, than your two levels higher from your perspective and he's two levels lower from his.
>>92634469
I don't get this obsession with playing "supported" systems. Your not going to play every supplement and module anyway so why make a big fuss about it?';

'>>92630706
What's the point of having a general for generic systems when most of these universal systems have generals already? Not even saying there is no point, just asking?';

'>>92638450
they do not have generals already';

'>>92637228
Yes but what kind of saves are characters supposed to have, and what are their names?

I have enjoyed FUDGE so far, but I do get tired of having to reinvent the wheel sometimes.';

'>>92637755

So am I supposed to invent my own attribute that PCs should use to resist poison gas, for instance?';

'>>92638450
OP here.
Only universal system which have his own active general is GURPS.
/gengen/ and /swgen/ are dead.
I didn't remember any other general talking about universal systems.

Most of the universal systems are not big enough to suport their own generals.
My idea was to make a place on /tg/ to discus all of them.
That way we didn't need to bump it five times in a row.';

'Has anyone played the D6 system? Most people know if from the Star Wars version.
I started running a game recently and it's pretty good. Lots of free OGL pdfs available.

https://ogc.rpglibrary.org/images/b/bf/D6_System_Book_weg51005eOGL.pdf

https://ogc.rpglibrary.org/index.php?title=OpenD6';

'>>92637722
OVA's build-a-power system is nice and if and when it leaves some blanks you can just use genre knowledge. Probably replace drama dice with relationships or convictions to make it more genre-appropriate. PDF related is for another sets-from-pool system, ORE, and there's a bit about using relationships. Which series are you going to emulate?';

'>>92638768
This is Fudge and there are no set attributes so yes. But it's not hard you can just call it "vitality" or "endurance" or whatever you think works best. There's also a list of potential attributes you might use in the core rule book somewhere.';

'>>92638803
Fair enough.';

'>>92638730
>Yes but what kind of saves are characters supposed to have, and what are their names?
You don't need "saves". The type of danger and how your players attempt to survive it give you all the information you need. For example, to avoid a dragon's fire by ducking behind cover a character would need to be fast. Slamming a heavy door shut to block the fire would require strength. You'll always have some attribute that covers these situations in your game. What are you worried about? That you're gonna forget an entire category of attributes? It's not happening.

>>92638768
>So am I supposed to invent my own attribute that PCs should use to resist poison gas, for instance?
In this instance you can just use Scale. Poison gases are rated dosage per body weight needed to for a mortality of half, anyway. Everyone has a Scale implicitly, you don't need to think up an attribute to roll against poison gas. Of course, you can have constitution as an attribute, hold breath as a skill (ascetics could also be used), or resistant to poison as a gift if you want to. You can even give a +1 for being ex-military and recognizing the smell, no formal levels needed.';

'>>92638803
As one of the oldfags of /gengen/ I'm happy that Genesys talk has a new home. Also having a few general systems mixing together is going to result in some good idea blending. Praise be to OP.';

'>>92639336
I wanted to do something that was a mix between Pretty Cure and Card Captor Sakura. The idea was a group of student wizards were supposed to watch their teacher's big book of spells while he was on a business trip but ended up fucking up and setting the spells free and so now they have to scour the city trying to recapture them all before he comes back and before one of the other supernatural denizens of the city steals them. I don't see it going longer than ten or so sessions.';

'>>92640510
Genesys is my favorite system that never gets played.';

'>>92642886
There is supposedly two solo roleplay options on DriveThru but flipping through them, they still want oracles for half the stuff.';

'>>92643360
I have this (pretty me all things consirdered) but some anon month ago said something about a new one out there which I couldn't find.
Maybe someone has it?

On a different note. If this general should stay active we could put some pastebin collections in the OP.
The /gensys/ one was pretty good and it would be a shame if it becomes lost knowledge.';

'For Fudge players have any of you played with "min-mid-max" damage rules? What do you feel about min mid max?';

'>>92645314
I just use Minor Wound / Major Wound. Degree of shift between offense and defense rolls determines whether it's a Minor or Major.

Major Wounds give you long-term Negatives.';

'>>92643443
>converting Genesys dice into a yes/no oracle when the symbol dice are a superior oracle as-is
>using Genesys dice to make tables
>the base game uses a d100 anyway
What were they thinking?';

'>>92646578
>What were they thinking?
Nothing.
Some of the foundry stuff is offensively bad and it's obvious that people where just shitting out material in hopes of making a few bucks.';

'>>92634910
>If Cepheus is a universal system then so is D&D 5e
No, 5e isn't. It's clear you've never read the rules to CE at all.

>>92637755
>I don't get this obsession with playing "supported" systems. Your not going to play every supplement and module anyway so why make a big fuss about it?
You're missing my point, which was that the range of material made using the system shows how universal it is. Why do you have such a massive chip on your shoulder?';

'>>92649559
>You're missing my point, which was that the range of material made using the system shows how universal it is. Why do you have such a massive chip on your shoulder?
I think your the one who doesn't get what I mean. I didn't question weather or not Cepheus is a universal system that was the other anon. What I said was a system being supported has no bearing on weather or not it is worth playing to me. One of my favorite systems hasn't seen much in the way of official support since mid 2000 that doesn't matter to me, and it probably shouldn't matter at all.';

'Might fuck around and run a Genesys game set in Terrinoth.';

'>>92634469
>>92649559
Cepheus Enginefags remind me of that one obnoxious Fantasy Craft shill who’d plague any thread that even dares breathe the name “Pathfinder,” except apparently they’ve mutated from their Traveller containment threads to infecting other systems like they’re trying to be the next GURPS.';

'>>92642003
Clow cards represent causes, but OVA wants you to buy effects. Maybe you can do it by adapting arcane spellcasting: each spell has a set amount of points it can reallocate at will. Where's the Precure influence come in?';

'>>92630706
why would one play a universal systems if he wants to play a standard fantasy or sci fi game? genuinely asking if there is anything that a general system does that makes it preferable to a specialized one.';

'>>92654042
There are two basic advantages of using universal systems over specialized ones.

1. If your players learn one set of rules, you can use then fore few campaigns without needing to spend time on explaining rules.
2. Most of universal systems are really easy to homebrew.
It is great if you like to make up new stuff for your campaign, but didn't want to spend 40 hours on play testing it.';

'>>92654042
As the resident AFMBEfag but also an OSR Enthusiast, I'd use it if I wanted to run a narrative-heavy survival-themed low fantasy game (as opposed to OSR's exploration-heavy looting-themed variable fantasy game)';

'>>92654458
This cuts to a central misconception about universal systems I see posted on /tg/ from time to time. There's an idea some people have that universal/setting-agnostic systems are "jacks of all trades, masters of none." This isn't true. They're still complete games, and have things that they're good at and things that they're bad at, just like any other system. For example, I'd use Cortex (a universal system) for a superhero game over any superhero system I've come across. It just happens to be really good at that kind of game. I would not use Cortex for a survival-themed game, even though it could be configured to play one--it's just not as good at that as other systems are. Just like setting-specific systems, setting-agnostic systems have strengths and weaknesses that lend them towards being used in certain kinds of games. Sometimes they're better at a particular kind of game than many other options for that kind of game could be, even if those other options are specifically for that kind of game.';

'>>92654622
Yeah. I find the "universal" label a bit shit because there's not a universal system, but there are systems good for running specific styles/genres/etc.

What you choose to model, what level of detail, what terms you use, what you use to define a character - those are all important things. Cortex is my go-to for things that are a bit cartoony or comicbook, or have that "unreal" tone. Heck, I've run games I could only talk about on >>>/mlp/ by hacking cortex drama (cut out the six "drives" for a PC, replace them with six important terms from the show I cannot name). Could I in theory have made that a gurps game? Yes. Would it have had the same tone? No, because the mechanics influence tone, the set of things you put in front of players influence what they will think of and how they'll interact with the game.

I do like tearing generic/universal systems apart and seeing what makes them tick, but I also think that renaming things and changing how the game is presented in the form of character sheets and rules rundowns for players can REALLY help to get players on the right page. Sometimes all it takes is changing what you call the stats to change how players see something.

I have no idea where I'm going with this comment either, just that "universal" is the downfall word here.';

'>>92630706
>TQ
Got bored one day and looking through random "generic" tabletops I stumbled on cypher system.
Bought the core book and one of the generic supplements.

Never see anyone talk about it (I guess if you like the mechanics most would just play Numenera or some shit).

But considering only our perma dm has more than a couple of braincells to rub together, the fact once my friends make a character I can dm one shots off the seat of my pants is nice. A good chance to give perma dm to play for once. Literally everything can be simplified down to a 1 to 10 difficulty and having the players chuck a d20 at it.';

'>>92654622
>>92654673
Good posts. As a Genesys enjoyer, I'd never use it for a gritty/grounded game (in any genre) because it's pretty hard for a PC to actually die unless they're fighting something way stronger than them; serious damage to PCs usually takes the form of critical injuries, which range from short term injuries (concussions, sprains, etc.) to permanent disfigurement/maiming. But I'd happily run a D&D-esque game in Genesys, even though D&D already exists, because I like Genesys more.';

'>>92655386
and the major change to resolution mechanics would, in turn, hugely change how things go. Adding gendice to a D&D style game would suddenly bring in a different approach to problems, in and out of combat. Not necessarily a better game, but a different one.

I really should get around to actually trying genesys at some point. Can you tell me, as a genjoyer, whether the star wars force die adds/detracts/etc? Is it worth adding that or something like it to other games? I don't know any details, just that it's a Thing that SW has that other genesys games lack.';

'>>92655415
I will now call myself a genjoyer.
The Force Die has two major uses in SWRPG:
1. At the beginning of the session, every player rolls it once, and the resulting light and dark points form the pool of story points. Genesys replaces this with "players and GM each get one story point per player," which is simpler. I don't think the SWRPG method is superior.
2. Using the Force often requires rolling the Force Die. Depending on the setting, this mechanic could be used for some magic that swings between positive and negative (in some way), but I've never felt that was necessary.';

'>>92655571
>I will now call myself a genjoyer.
Then my work here is done. Also thanks for the rundown, guess it's not a mechanic I really need to look at then, which makes it easier to just grab the setting-agnostic books. Thanks!';

'>>92654042
I can't find any fantasy systems I like';

'Is there anything like Savage Worlds that offers a little bit more crunch and granularity? I'm not looking to go full GURPS here.';

'Hey anons. New to general/universal systems.

Which ones can I get the most varied use out of with just their core book without diving into supplements? Bonus points if they are friendly for morons.';

'>>92655987
BRP';

'>>92656015
FATE (but I don't like it)';

'>>92634910
Porting to other genres is the meaning of multigenre/generic. Rules for games are basically something like chargen mechanism + core action resolution mechanism + other core mechanisms (sight, movement, encumbrance, etc.) + genre specific mechanisms, the last of which is how the game is ported to various genres.

The WEG d6 System started as Ghostbusters, was ported to Star Wars, then became a generic system and it works well in all those roles. It started as supernatural comedy where it did well but was underappreciated, moved to space fantasy where it was very popular despite originating as a different genre, and is now fantasy, sci fi x2 (one generic space, one separate game with a defined setting), superheroes and adventure x2 (one generic adventure, one dark fantasy).

GURPS itself, which many people think of as the quintessential generic rpg especially because it has generic in its name, started off as port of a fantasy rpg. When you use GURPS for Transhuman Space you have to exclude the magic rules which are part of the basic set.

Savage Worlds started as a horror western.

Since other multigenre systems started as unigenre so there's no reason that Cepheus Engine and incarnations of d20 starting as fantasy and scifi can't be generic especially given that they have been successfully applied to multiple genres.';

'>>92653823
The precure influence is in how the players would be more combat focused than Sakura was. I could be wrong it's been a while since I saw CCS. OVA is sounding like the system to go with though so I'll read more into it.';

'>>92656015
Open D6';

'I'm falling in love with GURPS but I think I'm starting to understand why it's hardly accessible or popular given there's a constant crackdown on pirated modules and fucking virtual aids that does all the autistic math for you. The official GURPS dicksword represents this retarded mindset outstandingly.';

'>>92630706
>TQ
I have the golden BRP one. The book is alright I just dislike % systems.

I made my Universal System from a heavy modified Cepheus homebrew that I plan to publish on drive thru. I gave up on guns so not so much universal anymore I just wanted something to play Harn on that wasn't cancerous.';

'>>92643443
>>92646578
>>92649080
The Foundry is my fucking bane when it comes to Genesys. The amount of creativity and community drive that got converted to shameless shilling on the Foundry made me big sad.>>92655415
>Can you tell me, as a genjoyer, whether the star wars force die adds/detracts/etc? Is it worth adding that or something like it to other games?
The dice was used for force rolls and setting up initial story points. Both you can do without in Genesys as the developers worked around it. If you ever come across some, get them as they are great little yes/no dice that are asymmetrical (more faces are no BUT the yes faces tend to be doubles).';

'>>92656015
mini six';

'>>92630706
Gensys
Fate
older BRP

is the new BRP book an upgrade over the old big gold book? or is it just a hack job cash in?';

'>>92657805
Gurps being litigious about muh rules is retarded. It doesn't even make Steve Jackson Games very much money. Nobody is going to license Gurps for their own game because it isn't popular.
Hero Games is even worse because they don't even release occasional splats like Gurps does. If you want your game to be popular you've go to do something besides sit on the ip waiting for it to become popular again. Unpaid enthusiasts who shill for free on /tg/ doesn't cut it.';

'>>92630706
What companions or homebrews are reccomended to run Fallout on SWADE?';

'>>92665066
You can try Deadlands: Hell on Earth.
It is post-apocalyptic setting with western spin.';

'>>92661455
Definitely this.';

'Any good books for Age of Sail? d100 is preferred. Or should I just read a real book and adapt directly from real life?';

'I like universal systems because it gets me in a crafty mood to make up character tokens and cards. Here's some cards for Genesys that I made up a while back';

'What are some good universals that do gear well? A common bit about universals I see is that they handwaive gear completely.

Something with normal polydice please. I love Gen, but no.';

'>>92673721
What do you mean by doing gear well? Do you want a long and detailed list of possible gear? Most universal systems drop that because it will never be comprehensive enough. Universal or not, I don't think there's a single system with list of far future dentist's tools. Maid RPG has a long list of different items, with costumes as a subcategory. Is that what you're looking for? There's still no dentist's tools.';

'>>92665066
Half-Giants from the Fantasy Companion are perfect Super Mutants.';

'>>92650325
>What I said was a system being supported has no bearing on weather or not it is worth playing to me.
I never implied that it should.

>it probably shouldn't matter at all.
Agreed.

>>92652843
This is the most disingenuous reply I've seen on this board in a while, other than that dumb comment a troll made about historicals in /hhg/ recently.';

'>>92643443
>On a different note. If this general should stay active we could put some pastebin collections in the OP.
>The /gensys/ one was pretty good and it would be a shame if it becomes lost knowledge.
Totally agree. I think the latest gengen has already slipped out of the archive so backups will be needed to get the OP recovered.
I was thinking the /usgen/ OP could have an obvious into blurb, then list a bunch of pastebins/rentry links, each game group takes care of its own link.';

'>>92680490
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/%2Fgengen%2F/';

'I really wish Genesys didn't have range bands. By far the worst thing about that system, everything else is great even if the magic is a bit boring.';

'>>92685738
The last time I used Genesys (2016 or so, the Star Wars version), I just decided how far each range band was, and from then on just used the distances.

>Everything Else is Great.
Ehh. It wasn't the worst. I would run it again.';

'>>92686214
>Ehh. It wasn't the worst. I would run it again.
I suppose it could use more talents and I prefer being able to improve characteristics besides only during character creation, but it is still the most fun system of dice rolling that I have used. Also it is hard for characters to die, but you can have house rules to circumvent that.';

'>>92680490
OP here.
Some pastebin would be useful, but I never make one.
When I will have some free time, I try to make something.

>>92682598
Thanks! It's nice that somebody archived /gengen/.';

'>>92689166
Here's the Fudge general OP with title and TQ cut out: https://pastebin.com/R4gk2t95';

'What are some good systems that use only one type of die?';

'>>92696755
There are a few.
Open D6 system and Pip system both use only 6 sided dice.';

'>>92696755
If you want to run a more light-hearted semi-comedic narrative type of game, QAGS is played with a single D20.';