'>>92640211
time to go offroad
collaborate with other players, when GM isn't around, to mutiny
start doing stupid shit, raid farms for provisions, perform bizarre humiliation on defeated foes, steal every set of panties along the coastline and make a giant flag or sail out of them
when the bounty on your party gets sufficiently high, betray the group, assume another identity and live in luxury

failing that, just be a contrarian faggot
or you know, express your concerns to the GM and say "this game isn't for me" then leave';

'>>92640211
>Autismo realismfag doesn't know how physics work
Must be the reason they put picrel in gurps low-tech';

'>>92640270
I unfortunately can’t do that.

>>92640305
I am not starting that argument again. Just look it up yourself. There are like triangle trapez type sails, which are used for this purpose.';

'>>92640211
>>92640270
>or you know, express your concerns to the GM and say "this game isn't for me" then leave
Organize with the other players in the group and do this. If the GM doesn't listen, make an ultimatum and either decide on a new GM as a group or leave together. Handle this like an adult and not a schizophrenic manchild.';

'>>92640661
Can't do what? he gave you three good options. Well one good option, express concern and leave, and two troll options which might be funny .
Why can't you leave the game? Are you kidnapped or something?';

'>>92640661
>I unfortunately can’t do that.
You're going to need to elaborate on why you can't simply leave the game, anon.';

'>>92640909
I have promised to play.

>>92640983
It‘s like an employer - employee situation.';

'>>92641010
>blackmailed into playing rpgs
Your game is a hallucination, take your meds.';

'>>92640983
he can't do that because he is pretending to be a player in a now-discontinued streamed game

he is just a random viewer who is malding about a DM who doesn't even know his name and is living in his head rent free';

'>>92641010
What, you paid for a DM and he turned out to be retarded? Then you need to literally cut your losses.';

'>>92641188
>>92641337
Just don’t worry about it.

>>92641268
I am right though. You forgot to mention that.';

'>>92641397
You deserve your shit game and I hope it only gets worse for you';

'>>92641429
ok';

'>>92640661
…you do realize that >>92640305 was AGREEING with you, right?';

'>>92641397
>>92641432
NTA but you're just throwing money into a fireplace if you keep paying for something you are ultimately unsatisfied with. No game is better than a bad game, especially paid bad games.';

'>>92641397
What exactly do you want us to say? Condolences that you're stuck in a loveless marriage with That DM?';

'>>92641268
No, surely nobody would be stupid enough to pretend to be in a game they saw instead of just bitching about how the streamer GM sucks like everyone else does';

'>>92641442
I honestly just saw the word autist and thought it meant me, because I argued with my GM about it. lol

>>92641444
I am on my ipad. I don’t have the files I have on my pc.

>>92641462
>>92641465
Just venting I guess?
You could also share your own stories …';

'>>92641483
It's sort of distracting to the topic of asshole GMs when the OP is apparently in some weird paid GM situation and then just tells everyone not to worry about it.';

'>>92641483
You are a complete retard and you deserve this shit game.
There. is. no. good. reason. to. play. a. bad. game.
Even more baffling is that you are so retarded that you feel the need to keep the reason private on an anonymous Belgian rabbit herding forum.';

'>>92641514
>>92641542
Listen, we record our sessions and have some viewers on our videos. I am kinda in an obligation continue playing with them.

>>92641529
I skimmed over you asking me the system. I am sorry. It‘s a heavily homebrewed DnD 2e system.';

'>>92641661
Are YOU getting paid?
Have you signed a contract?';

'>>92641661
>I am kinda in an obligation continue playing with them.

What, did you sign a contract?';

'Rather than focus on this ESL retard pretending to be a streamer, I'll give some complaints about my own GM:
>So terrified of 'railroading' he's incapable of thinking more than a single step ahead, never gives any plothooks
>Insists on running 'historical' settings, so any fantastical elements are right out
>'Historical' means either Rome or Caveman times, and he gets incredibly anal about 'anthropologically accurate characters'
>Eats all my fucking food and never provides any of his own';

'>>92641010
>I have promised to play.
He also promised a good game, I suppose. There is that.';

'>>92641733
>>92641734
>>92641811
I mean I could leave, but they are my friends. I met them irl too. We play most game together, So I really can’t.';

'>>92642136
Have you tried talking with them about your grievances?';

'>>92642189
We do all the time. We even make fun of our GM for same blatant obvious cheating to screw us over. The thing is he isn’t always bad, but his base attitude is to always make us look as stupid as possible. Like if we don’t perfectly predict what he had in mind in his head, our characters are retarded for not acting like he wants them to.';

'>>92641661
Assuming you’re actually one of the streamers, you need to talk to everyone outside the game (you guys DO know each other outside the game, right? You’re not streaming a fucking PUG?) and explain how the GM is failing to meet basic genre expectations.
If necessary, volunteer to GM yourself (you CLEARLY know more about how to GM high seas adventure).';

'>>92642294
Then someone else needs to GM. You should volunteer.';

'>>92642524
>>92642532
Him being the GM is his entire thing. I was a viewer, before I joined him as a regular player.';

'>>92642569
I think you have a humiliation fetish.';

'Glad to see roleplaying is alive and well on this board.';

'Here is another story from the same GM: (also DnD 2nd Edition heavily homebrewed)
>party‘s mission is to venture to a foreign land on another continent and find a dungeon, which holds a scroll of resurrection and retrieve it
>near the end 2 party members die
>the two players collaborated on the backstory and chose to create two monster races
>they also have no reason at all to help us take such a valuable scroll to our land and resurrect our dead king
>I try to roleplay my character as rejecting their help, but that kinda triggered them, so whatever, now they are members of our party
>they constantly drop hints that they have other motives, if they were NPCs we wouldn’t trust them at all
>we basically have to wait for them to betray us
>but before that plans comes to fruition (they planned to betray us only after we got the scroll and to their credit envisioned to make it a pvp chasing sequence after giving us a fair warning) the GM creates a completely bullshit dungeon with harsh trials, a literal dozen mummies and a special named mummy
>they basically completely wrecked us and our evil party members made on last ditch effort by betraying us and preparing to sacrifice us for one of the trials in this dungeon, which would have made getting the scroll easier, but the mummies also fucked that plan, because we immediately died from their attacks and they also immediately started eating the brains of the fallen and the human sacrifice trial required a living being';

'Arcadum thread';

'>>92640211
>>tried to explain to him how boats had these triangle sails, which allowed them to even sail almost directly against the wind, but he told me I am insane for thinking that
I would have dropped things right there. Naval campaigns are enough of a mess. Having a GM who doesn't understand some of the most basic aspects of sailing is just a sign that he doesn't understand anything else involved.';

'>>92642569
Anon, stop making excuses for being in this game.
If you have issues with the game/GM, then say so and just drop it, not only your GM is actively making you look like a retard for youtube or whatever, you look like a bitch by trying to explain yourself why you don't drop it.';

'>>92643209
By that point he already created an entire system, where only galleys could sail against the wind. He planned to give us a drum, which spawns ghost rowers and all that. He would have to throw all of this away, if he allowed ships with sails to also go against the wind.

>>92643233
I mean I am telling you the bad things. I am friends with him. I play all my game with him. We met irl. But at his worst moments he is quite infuriating.';

'>>92641542
This is the only real answer. You have one life, don't spend your free time doing gay stuff with a shitty DM. Tell him to fix his shit or leave. It's that simple.';

'>>92640211
I'm going to assume everyone in this situation is a retard.
I am also assuming "row-boat" means galley, and galleys are cool anon. What is the temporal inspiration of the setting? If it's ancient or Medieval Galleons wouldn't exist.

Ask DM if he's rolling dice to check if those threats work (assuming they are reasonable threats).

Have you considered talking to the DM in a reasonable and polite fashion about your concerns?';

'>Paid GM
Strike 1
>Steamer
Strike 2
>Doesn't know basic navel knowledge but is running a navel RPG
Strike 3

Sorry, you deserve it.';

'>>92643265
>By that point he already created an entire system,
That's what I'm talking about. Why am I trusting a naval homebrew by some guy who doesn't even know how ships work?';

'Anon you deserve it for watching "actual play" and even worse for being a paradoxical twitch baby, probably for what? Like 10 viewers?

Go buy some dice, some grid paper and pens, grab your irl friends and get to some real high seas adventuring where it's just for the fun of you and the players. If you don't like that then maybe you deserve to deal with this insufferable bullshit from a narcissistic excuse of a poor DM.';

'>>92640211

>naval-based campaign

Now I want to make a setting based in my belly button';

'>>92640211
Tides of Death was fun and your thread is retarded. If you're gonna shitpost about Koibu don't so it about one of his best campaign, do it about some shit nobody likes.';

'>>92643265
>By that point he already created an entire system
Honestly he probably lifted it from an existing 2e book.';

'>>92643826
Uh oh, Neal found the thread';

'>>92642136
>We play most game together
But not all.';

'>>92640211
>Isn’t this basically a collaborative story development?

This is basically propaganda for nu-GMs spread by YouTubers and steamers. Real RPGs are basically wargames where you control one character in a party in order to dungeon delve';

'>play a fighter
>we see combat roughly 1 in every 3 sessions
Am I right to resent my DM for this?';

'>>92650107
>play a diplomatic character
>all enemies attack immediately and fight to the death
Swap DMs????';

'>naval campaign
doomed from start';

'>>92642294
Then get yourselves together to confront him about the grievances you all clearly have. At the end of the day, if there is no group, there is no game and likewise no show. Realize that you guys outnumber him and have the capacity to organize your own games with each other and without him if he doesn't listen.

>>92643826
Hello Neal. Nice projection.';

'>>92650107
well, no
it's not hard to pick a fight';

'>>92650222
Why are they such poison?';

'>>92650488
>I punch the king';

'>>92650575
People focus on the naval aspects instead of realizing that a boat is narratively boring and should just be an excuse to fast travel between wildly different locations.';

'>>92650575
I tried a ship arc in an AD&D campaign, was woefully unprepared.
Seems like a good idea. Logistics, mapping, island adventures. Players need to be invested, otherwise it turns into a floating box that opens to encounters, no different to a railroad. Naval combat does not mesh with a D&D system at all. Boarding actions? Wall of Fire on the enemy deck. Long range engagement? Now I have to calculate how many planks get scuttled by Warp Wood and how that effects the speed of the ship and how fast it will sink. Warp wood not enough? There's a whole roster of niggling spells between 1st and 4th level that I'd have to adjudicate on the fly. Sea Monster attacks? Again, they're either fodder or they play smart and sabotage the ship, stranding the players in the open ocean. On ship intrigue? Oh sorry, every personal portal was either glyph warded or fire trapped. You bet your ass the players were running detection spells on all the crew and cargo simply because a day of uninterrupted travel would not be wasted.

I've had similar issues with sci fi games where players have a starship.

It's probably best to sit down and chat with the group before starting a campaign. Before even rolling for characters. Everyone needs to be on board.';

'>>92650629
You spend 3 sessions talking to the king before he sends you to fight someone?

Starting a tavern brawl should not be an issue. You could even make it an in-character thing.
>Hey GM, /myguy/ thinks his sword arm is getting a little rusty. I want to hire a bunch of training partners or enter the arena to keep my skills sharp.';

'>paid GM
This is so sad and pathetic.';

'>>92650636
Ah I see, that must be why Sci-fi games always go well. You and the group had a ship, but there isn’t a 60 page autism expansion to explain intricate ship mechanics. It’s their to go places and do cool battles';

'>>92650660
Sounds like your issues could be solved by not playing dnd';

'>>92650740
I haven't played D&D in years. Mainly wargaming now. All my friends grew up, or at least they pretended too.';

'>>92650684
You're absolutely right anon I'm sure if I constantly start meaningless fights my table will have no problem with it at all. I punch the king.';

'I found it.
Man, I've never cringed harder at such a bad DM lol, I could barely make it through the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BknPY1Usjrc';

'>>92651168
That 'bad DM' was paid 400 dollars per session for that campaign.

I'm sure you could do better';

'>>92651404
Literally anyone I know could do better.';

'>>92651168
Man that DM is so unbelievably goofy and his voice makes me want to shoot myself. Skip to any point in the video and all the players look bored to fucking death.';

'>>92651168
Which is OP?';

'>>92651433
Op is roleplaying as greenzerg pretty sure.
Tbf the Lazarus Expedition went to shit after the 2 monster pcs joined.';

'>>92651433
None of them retard. That campaign ended over two years ago and those players are still playing (and paying) for campaigns by this DM.

OP literally has watched like 8 episodes of Tides of Death and is shitposting about it.';

'>>92651061
>I'm bored shitless because my character has nothing to do, 2 out of 3 games
>I'll complain about it on an anonymous forum
>no, I can't get into a bar fight or go to the colosseum, because everyone in the bar and the arena is a King
>I will continue to be unhappy
sounds like a plan';

'>>92641268
>Instead of playing a game, go out of your way to watch other people play games
>Become incredibly upset that they're playing wrong.
>So upset you come to /tg/ to complain about a game you're not playing, while pretending you did
The absolute state of this fucking hobby';

'>>92651770
>watched like 8 episodes
Why the fuck would you keep watching something you don't like?';

'>>92651872
Probably just to make this bait thread';

'>>92651432
>>92651168
I clicked at a random point (1:05.00) and got
>'Survival is an intelligence check' (wrong, I even checked to see if pathfinder does this differently)
>'To build a fire, make a fire building check, which is wisdom'
Imagine watching 3 fucking hours of this and then thinking this clown needs to get paid for his work';

'>>92640211
>>tried to explain to him how boats had these triangle sails, which allowed them to even sail almost directly against the wind, but he told me I am insane for thinking that
has he never sailed a boat before?';

'>>92652398
Its AD&D2e, not pathfinder. Those rolls are correct, although you might they're stupid.';

'>>92652881
>Its AD&D2e
No wonder everyone is bored';

'>>92651801
But I was agreeing with you anon. There's absolutely no reason why anyone else at the table would get sick of me starting a fight at every tavern we visit. Great suggestion as always anon.';

'After watching the video of this guy DM, it makes me feel so much better about my skills as a DM.
Why would anyone put up with this guy, let alone PAY him lol.
Fools and their money.';

'>>92653796
Back when Starcraft was huge, in 2014, a well known e-celeb in the starcraft scene randomly decided to play one of these nerd games. Dungeons & Dragons. Neal, Koibu, was also a Starcraft nerd and was the first guy who replied. That is how Rollplay Solumn happened. I basically introduced the Starcraft audience to DnD. It had high production quality, it was all done virtually. Itmejp basically was the first guy to do it in this way. He inspired many other ecelebs to come on later as guests or do their own show. Koibu was able to become a professional DM after this. The game world he came up with for the first Rollplay was later further developed into a whole world by him. No a very interesting one, because he doesn’t know a lot about history and social customs of the past. Basically he has been riding a nostalgia train. But ultimately his DM style and negotiation over his pay resulted in Itmejp going with Adam Koebel, who despite looking like a SJW freak has a very interesting collaborative style with his players. His career ironically ended when he described a female player‘s character experienced something akin to a robot orgasm, so all of the SJW freaks who he cultivated all this time cancelled him. From that day on he completely disappeared of he face of the earth and he had a very lucrative career and even developed his own system.
Now they are all doing their own thing.';

'>>92654313
Neal and Stephen tell it differently. They, with Adam, had agreed to bargain collectively and secure a good deal for all three for future Rollplay shows. Adam backstabbed the other two with a deal that left him as the sole DM.

>Adam Koebel
>Interesting DM Style
Have you SEEN anything he's made? Swan Song meanders nowhere for 50 episodes before ending in a time loop that goes back to episode 1. He's allergic to punishing players, and the PCs always fail upwards.

Neal's setting might be dull, but at least the PCs have to earn their success. Stephen was the best of the three and got fucked over even harder, he's not got a successful DM streaming career to keep him relevant in the nogames space.';

'>>92640211
>GM forces us to have a lame rowing boat, instead of a proper galleon, because he thinks only rowing boats can swim against the current/wind
This either didn't happen or you are being trolled.';

'>>92654754
I mean, it's in the video on YouTube, so it definitely did happen.';

'>>92654682
Everyone should take this as a sign any dumbass dipshit willing to DM/GM a game can and they will still get players.
Believe in yourself, these fucking shitters made an entire living off of it.';

'>>92654682
I was giving an abridged version. But there is no reason why every paid GM you interacted with has to collectively bargain with you. If you like someone better, it‘s completely okay to just play with him instead.

Stephen was cool, but his campaigns were cursed by bad luck and always ended too soon. But yeah I liked him best too. Adam at least tried to make it interesting.. Sure maybe some things are a miss, but he takes a risk to make it interesting. You can also tell in Court of Swords he learned about Eastern mythologies and incorporated them to make it interesting. He is really creative. Just compare his shadow world where people exist eternally and eventually forget and reinvent themselves with Koibu‘s shadow/demon world in Frozen Frontier which just had masses of random demons eternally fighting each other with the only interesting thing being that they are seemingly zealous, but abandoned by the Gods.
I am politically the exact opposite of Adam Koebel, but I never noticed him being annoying with it. I‘d be his friend and play with him and probably be the only guy who is „meh“ at his „roleplay rape“ of another player and has his back. He is an interesting person. Koibu on the other hand would be infuriating to play with. The constant rule lawyering, because he forgets his own rules and if you don’t pay attention he does absolute unfair, unfun bullshit. These moments will stick with you longer than his normal DMing skills, which are average, passable, not great. His reputation as a hardcore DM is very overrated. Making boring things tedious isn’t fun or good roleplay. I love how Adam Koebel just simply came up with „montages“ to solve that problem. Now you can say it‘s cringe to act like Dungeons and Dragons is a tv show, but I don’t care.

>>92654754
see
>>92651168';

'>>92652673
>has he never sailed a boat before?
Unbelievable';

'Xebecs and galleys are cool, though. You don't want to cross the deep sea with them, but they're nimble and able and permutations on them or very small sailing ships (like sloops) represent most pirate ships historically.

And hell, it's not like primarily oar-driven ships can't brave the deep sea. The Scandis went to the Americas, at least as far as Canada.';

'>>92640211
Obviously you and all of the other players should be getting as drunk on alcohol and/or high on marijuana as possible while playing, because your GM is clearly an idiot, and the only reason to gather with these people and "play" this "game" is to enjoy camaraderie together, using the "game" as merely a prop or vehicle for interaction, and so you should treat it like going to the bar to get loaded and swapping outrageous fish tales while drinking.

>t. greatly enjoy drunken tabletop roleplaying games with stinky weed';

'>>92643077
>they didn't just throw dozens of flaming torches at the dessicated corpses wrapped in flammable bandages';

'I also watch him. Not hate-watch him, but he gives plenty of reasons for that.';

'His magic resistance DM hacks was the most ridiculous thing ever.
>Dragons are magic resistant
>YOU have stoneskin
>the Dragon attacks you
>because it is resistant to magic, it negates your buff
>that seems completely fucking ridiculous?
>well … magic resistance is also resistance to spells that HINDERS it like web for example
>soooo … you are technically hindering it from attacking you properly with your stoneskin
>I never played DnD this way, I just came up with this and interpreted „magic resistance“ in a way completely different from all gaming conventions to fuck you over, fuck you';

'>>92650684
>>Hey GM, /myguy/ thinks his sword arm is getting a little rusty. I want to hire a bunch of training partners or enter the arena to keep my skills sharp.

A good arena fight can be fun as fuck. The barbarian got himself a slot in the arena. The bard went around hyping him up as the new challenger, being fantasy Don King to the barbarian's Tyson. The rogue started taking bets to compete with the local bookie. The cleric volunteered healing services and used the chance to get an advance look at the arena and competition. We made a whole mini arc out of it.';

'>>92665932
He's a joke.
Like I said earlier, if you think you can't DM/GM a game, you can, just look at this fucking idiot, he made a living off of not knowing:
1. Anything about reality
2. Anything about the rules of the RPG he was running.';

'>>92643077
Ah I see. Everyone in the group is retarded.

You truly are among friends.';

'>>92643826
this
tod is my favorite campaign from koibu
you can criticize save or die where he doeant seem to put as much effort but tides of death? fuck off
everything was perfect';

'>>92643826
>>92667304
Frozen Frontier was his best campaign and even that had severe issues.
Tides of Death started interesting as a concept, but too quickly devolved into PCs turning into murder-hobos and then randomly deciding to be revolutionaries with no real motivation or plan. But it wasn’t even the PC‘s fault they turned murder-hobo, because Koibu explicitly created the threat of a brutal bureaucracy, which would put them in chains simply for being shipwrecked survivors without papers. It was too artificial of a motivation for them to turn into liberators.
Frofro also had more interesting players. The German guy (I‘m German too) was extremely uninteresting and played his character like a bland piece of paper. Pokemon guy on the other hand intentionally played a very simple character, but he did that relatively well, maybe he wasn’t confident to aim higher. But Frofro on the other hand had phenomenal players, who played unique and interesting characters. I have never seen Neal give so much leeway to anyone before, when it came to inventing new magic.';

'>>92666248
Arena """fights""" are peak cuckold behavior.';

'>>92640211
This guy sounds like he sucks, but you're a huge faggot for pretending to be an e-celeb in earnest.';

'Imagine being so much of a pathetic loser you pose as minor e celeb from a niche DnD podcast for attention.

Anyway, what are some /tg/ approved shows. coincidentally I have been listening to tides of death while driving recently and Koibu is the only channel I found I don't fucking hate. His games are usually just chill guys who enjoy the game and play normally without it being a critical roll tier tryhard fest.

btw OP if you want to bitch about Neal, bring up the "all the soldiers in this army walk 20ft apart from one another while marching to counter fireball spells" bullshit. I personally like the guy but there's no denying he makes some retarded rulings at times.';

'>>92640211
>>92651168
Has anyone left a comment about the discussion happening in this thread? I'm kind of tempted to see how this clown would handle damage control.';

'>>92672177
This is obviously like your 30th post this thread, you aren't very subtle.';

'>>92672216
Maybe you should take a break from this website for a while, buddy.';

'>>92673360
make me, kike';

'>play DnD5e descent in to avernus as a paladin
>witnessing the horrors of a cult in the city of Baldur's Gate
>semi-asshole rulings constantly from DM, not bad enough to warrant crying over just a clear me vs. them mentality
>finally reach one of the leading figures in the cult, a local noble
>smite him down as justice demands
>DM pulls an incredible ass-pull next session and says the leader was actually just a body double and now I've lost all paladin powers because I killed an innocent
>try to reason that working as the body double of a cartoonishly evil cultist isn't exactly the most innocent job
>DM doesn't budge, character is now uplayable
I fucking hate DMs that look for, or manufacture "Gotcha!" moments.';

'>>92641760
Caveman?';

'>>92640211
If your GM has an IQ of 60 then yours must be 50';

'>>92653156
Sounds better than the status quo, dumbass';

'>come to thread hoping for funny stories
>it's all gossip about ecelebs
I hate zoomers.';