'What strategic advantage does genning/cloning tournament legal pokemon provide in a battle?';

'>>55776501
Why would one gen/clone if there was no benefit?';

'>>55776508
What in battle benefit would that be?';

'>>55776508
Because time is precious nigguh';

'>>55776518
I don't know, I don't gen. If there is no advantage to gening/cloning, then why do it and break the rules?';

'>>55776527
Sounds like a benefit';

'>>55776527
then why are you wasting your time playing a childrens game';

'>>55776528
You do know, you just wont say that there is none and this abitrary rule about "illegitimate" pokemon is retarded.';

'I hate switch Pokémon fans, I don’t consider them people.';

'>>55776493
Soon all rng manipulations will also be banned.';

'>>55776547
>you just won't say it
How about you tell me why one would gen? You said gening brings no advantage, yet top players have been doing it for two decades. Why is that? Why do they bother with third party software and risk disqualification if it brings no advantage? I would assume there was an advantage, but you assured me there wasn't. In that case, what's the drive?';

'>>55776501
Time, which leads to more practice, which leads to getting more skill by saving time.0iv speed for trick room and 0iv attack. Time is the biggest resource, as it lets you gain skill at an incredible rate. Why do you think they constantly top, time. Time saved lets them get an amount of both skill and knowledge in a month that would take and average player years to achieve. All while in a seasonal format that rotates. They can also get version exclusives that would be annoyingly hard for average players to have 0 speed ivs for. Also in the older gens before mints and hyper training tehy could get legendary pokemon with ivs that would be impossible for other players. Try winning when your opponents modest 31 speed iv scarf kyogre outspeeds your timid 6 speed iv scarf kyogre.';

'>>55776553
holy BASED!';

'>>55776558
It's cheating all the same
>no you don't understand it's not gening! I just use reverse engineered algorithms and third party software to painstakingly get the game to gen the pokemon, but I'm not touching my save so it's fine!
mental illness, stop watching poketubers.';

'>>55776493
Verlisify Always Right

except refusing to acknowledge Palworld blatantly ripped and "change it up a bit"'d Pokemon's models';

'Remember being like 13 years old and verlisify was actually relevant lol';

'>>55776590
Eh I didn't look too much into it but that was trannism iirc. Like the models would "line up" with you stretched and scaled them, and even then the polygons showed they were modeled from scratch. Obviously the game takes inspiration from Pokemon, the "pal spheres" being the more obvious example';

'As far as I'm concerned, if you bought the game and the dlcs you are entitled to as many copies of legal pokemon as you want.';

'>>55776570
In battle, there is no distinguishable difference between a legit shiny, perfect IV, EV trained pokemon with its best moveset from a genned/cloned one. Both combatants are equal.
>>55776571
Only honest answer youll get to threquestion, but still no strategic advantage in battle with the current meta game. Getting a battle ready team in gen 8 and 9 has become very easy with the QoL.';

'>>55776621
Ok. So no advantage. Why gen though?';

'>>55776585
I mean, to GF even doing challenge runs is considered as bad as hacking the game.';

'>>55776621
>it's become very easy to get battle ready
>which is why I gen
Based retard';

'>>55776629
Because of convenience, quite obviously.';

'>>55776637
Sounds like an advantage.';

'>>55776635
Very easy isnt as good as almost instantly';

'>>55776641
You would think so if you werent very smart.';

'>>55776642
You're absolutely correct. That's why it's cheating still :)';

'>>55776648
I'd say an inconvenience is a disadvantage, wouldn't you? If your gamecard somehow made training 3 times slower than it should, wouldn't you be at a disadvantage if you kept on training on that cart?';

'>>55776651
Doesnt matter, smart players will find a way to get around the check and keep genning while retards bend the knee and play autism simulator.
>>55776659
This made up senario and the real life situation with genning provides no advantage to playing doubles in VGC.';

'>>55776699
>ok it's cheating but it's good actually
I accept your concession.';

'>>55776707
Still no answer from (you) or Verlisify on how genning and cloning provides a advantage in battle.';

'people wouldn't cheat if breeding and or hunting + ev training didn't take 30h-35h for a single team';

'>>55776699
Are you too retarded for hypotheticals, or are you simply doubling down? This forum is anonymous, no one will know that you were wrong, no need to keep posting. I'll answer for you. You'd be at a disadvantage if your prep took longer than that of your opponents. Likewise, you're at an advantage if you can skip the prep altogether. Problem is, skipping the prep is against the rules.
Now you may think the game should have a battle simulator, or you may think gening is so rampant it should be legal (that's what I believe when it comes to PEDs in sports) but you'd have to be delusional, nay retarded, to claim it doesn't give you an advantage. People do it, despite disqualifications, because it provides an advantage. Obviously.';

'>>55776707
so i should waste my free time as an adult doing that unnecessary boring stuff instead of just playing the fun part to appease some random old guy at tpc i dont even know? nah, I'll just keep genning.

>>55776659
as he specified a million times, its not a disadvantage in battle. I dont know why you keep removing that wording from your arguments wait yes i do its because youre a stinky little white boy';

'>>55776720
You really can't infer any information from all these posts? It gives you a tremendous time advantage, last minute flexibility and ensures you get the best possible stats for your mons. Fucking retard.';

'>>55776726
You're wasting your time as an adult willingly going to pokemon tournaments. No one is forcing you to go, but if you're going, you're to follow the rules. Quite simple really.';

'>>55776743
Im going because its fun, so its not a waste of time. Battling is fun, so its not a waste of time. Grinding resources and items for EVs, IVs, breeding, TMs, egg moves, etc. is not fun, so its a waste of time.';

'>>55776726
>there's no advantage (softly under his breath)... in battle
ok and? You're free to frame it in a way that minimizes cheating, but unfortunately you have to look at the whole picture.';

'>>55776734
And that's GF fault';

'>>55776753
KEK. I accept your concession. keep seething and wasting your time grinding while I'm enjoying my time with the game';

'>>55776749
This but replace tournaments with track meets, EV training with working out and gening with huge syringes of equine strength trenbolone.';

'>>55776770
A juiced athlete is not identical to a natty athlete, wheras an injected pokemon can be identical in every way to a legitimate pokemon, your analogy doesn't work';

'>>55776768
>sir, your profound retardation is greatly handicapping in your day to day life
>UMMMMMM ACTUALLY I CAN ARGUE ON 4CHAN JUST FINE THEREFORE I'M NOT RETARDED
This is how you sound, simpleton. By all means though, do enjoy going to video game tournaments, sounds very fun. Do NOT however look up your highschool friends on LinkedIn.';

'>>55776789
There is no guaranty, and in fact the opposite is likely true, that an untrained PED user would be more performant that a natty athlete who wasted his time training. Now if you train on juice, just like if you practice pokemon battles knowing you don't have to train your time, it's a different story.';

'>>55776725
>>55776734
So no actual advantage in battle besides more time to practice? One can use showdown for this and rental codes to avoid this. Oh and flexibility of changing my EVs and IVs on short notice? So if i hack in a bunch of EV lowering berries, vitamins and bottle caps am i still not cheating as long as my pokemon isnt genned? It just makes no fucking sense how faggots like you are so against genning it is insane. There is zero (0) in battle advantage you get from genning and cloning no matter how hard you kick and scream.';

'>>55776806
>oh so if I cheat am I still not cheating?
?';

'>>55776810
I didnt cheat, my pokemon isnt gen :^) domt mind be with my x999 of every item';

'>>55776553
holy CRINGE';

'>>55776553
based';

'>>55776822
But it is cheating
>but you can't tell!!!
and? Just because you're getting away with it doesn't mean you're not cheating.
Besides, you'll find using mints to be too time consuming so you'll gen anyways while still claiming you could've just as well gone legit (you never have)';

'>>55776621
There is advantage though, trick room teams, making new teams in an instant, and getting to try new strategies without having to re ev train or catch new pokemon. As I said before time, which lets players advance in both skill and resource at an incredible rate, is the reason. Every second genning saves, adds up to more games, which both increases skill and knowledge as well as allowing an acquisition of resources that others cannot and will not be able to compete against. Yeah they have skill, and they got it through training and effort. However, both the skill and effort were boosted by genning through the act of saving time. Time which allowed them to gain the skill of their future potential in a matter of days, weeks, months instead of years and years. The problem is that time is a resource that genning grants that ordinary players can never and will never be able to even grasp. And that time is why genning is cheating, for how can you ever hope to compete against players that can gain months to years of experience in just a few weeks. You can't buy time, and you never will, but genners have a luxury that others don't. They can skip the grind of training and catching. Its not an argument of lifting weights versus using steroids, but one of lifting weights versus lifting weights and getting months of training in a single day. Won't be deadlifting 250lbs after just a day of lifting if you can't even bench press 150lbs on your first day at the gym. It takes months of dedication to be able to get the muscle you want. Just like it takes months of training to be able to top a regional. The thing is though, while genning isn't a steroid, it lets you turn months of practice into days. The guy who deadlifts 250lbs though effort and months of training is a chad. The one who just uses steroids though is just a fraud. The genning equivalent to deadlifting, while it isn't steroids, being able to deadlift 250lbs after just a week of starting out, genning is that.';

'>>55776806
>so there's no advantage besides [advantage]?';

'>>55776846
The main advantage of steroids is that they let you train longer and harder, so it is actually largely analogous to gening. Only nerds think of steroids as Popeye's spinach';

'Let's not kid ourselves, 99% of VGC players genned Pokes at some point, and the only reason they stopped is because TPC started enforcing their rules';

'>>55776870
>they stopped
They didn't';

'>>55776802
Sorry if I'm coming off as pedantic with this reply. I agree that a skilled natty athelete will beat out an unskilled juicer the majority of the time. I disagree on the training on juice = competitive with a genned team though, and here's my reasoning. Using PED's is most equivalent to setting EV's in PKHeX to above the legal limit. Roided users can display feats of athleticism that a natty athelete physically could never achieve with perfect genetics (or at least the closest to perfect we've seen so far), training, and diet.';

'>>55776875
As I've stated above, roids are especially useful for training. You train harder, longer, more often and without getting injured. That translates to increases performance. While juicing as a couch potato does yield some results, it really only matters if you use it to train.
If you gen (juice), your EVs are as high as they can be (something that's not always easy in game) and you get to practice with that perfect team right away. You get to change it and train right away too';

'Hilarious that breedies are now relating themselves to athletes that train hard while injectors are steroid using losers lmao';

'>>55776896
I don't think using steroids is wrong in itself, but steroids athletes usually don't go on reddit claiming that "actually I'm totally not cheating"';

'>>55776896
eww';

'>>55776848
>frog poster cant read';

'How tf is "extra time to prepare" an unfair advantage? Should unemployed people be banned too because they have extra time since they don't have a job?';

'>>55776553
Is Delcatty in SwSh and/or SV?';

'>>55776925
>here's why this advantage could actually not be an advantage
whatever you say buddy';

'>>55776893
Improved endurance is equivalent to EV's imo, especially in regards to something like the Tour de France. However, it does go beyond just endurance in regards to steroids.
>Compared with the Clean athletes, the Doped athletes had significantly higher lean leg mass, capillary per fibre and myonuclei per fiber. In contrast, the Doped athletes had significantly lower absolute value in maximal squat force and relative values in maximal squat force (relative to lean body mass, to lean leg mass and to muscle fiber area).
>from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160183/
Non steroid PED's are even more explicitly like illegal EV's values in other ways, amphetamines are banned from sports because they've been proven to slightly increase strength, speed, and reaction time.
>>55776914
Atheletes do even worse than just getting caught and lying, sometimes they hide beneath the octagon when random testers show up, then get caught and lie. Their PR teams are usually smart enough to make them put an apology out though. "Natty" but secretly juicing influencers do exactly what you describe in terms of arguing they totally don't juice online though';

'>>55777005
What I'm saying is that they don't claim being on gear isn't cheating';

'>>55776949
Holy shit it's fucking not. I just looked it up on omgon pokedex. It's literally not in either. Wtf LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL';

'>>55776493
KULL IRSELF
THIS IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL ADSPACE SHILL
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR STUPID FUCKING GAYTUBE CHANNEL
BUY A FUCKING AD

BLATANT FUCKING SHILLING';

'>>55776571
Sounds like the solution is to remove IVs altogether if they’re that unpredictable and uncontrollable.';

'>>55777081
Utterly soulless, but I'd support it. Nugens are soulless regardless. Honestly they should have cut off the ability to transfer pokemon to post-dexit games in the first place.';

'>>55777113
>Honestly they should have cut off the ability to transfer pokemon to post-dexit games in the first place.
Agreed. The amount of people who are addicted to what are essentially 1s and 0s in this franchise is ridiculous.';

'>>55776493
dragon quest?';

'Do any of you actually play VGC at in-person events';

'>>55777157
Very, very few people here that are crying about genning even play competitive at all.';

'How are people cheating in the easiest gen to make competitive mons, zoomers are actually challenged.';

'>>55777203
Because it's even easier to just gen them';

'>>55777157
no because I dont want to compete against systematic cheating';

'>>55776547
Doesn’t matter if you think it’s retarded, it’s the rule, and you gotta follow it if you’re going to participate in the event. You can’t pick and choose what laws to ignore.';

'>ugh YouTube e-celebs are so cringe and gay, stop shilling your shit on my Estonian pickle ricking forum
>OMFG THE BASED AVATARFAG SAID SOMETHING BASED! I AM GOING TO GIVE HIM (you)s! I HOPE HE STARTS DRAWING PORN SOON!';

'Wolfey is a cuck and a cheater. Smogon is fucking diseased. Milennials and zoomers are brain damaged.';

'>>55777533
>1 post by this tripcode';

'>>55777543
derangement sybdrome';

'>>55777533
Holy gem';

'>>55776501
time and resources. It could take someone hours to catch a Cresselia with 0 attack IVs or 0 speed IVs in a gen where you have a 50% for any given IV to roll perfect 31, I don't even want to think about how long it takes to catch one with both.
Honestly, if we had rusted bottlecaps that gives your IVs a 0 value, there would be 0 excuse, barring
>I want to use Urshifu but didn't pay for Isle of Armor in SwSh';

'>>55776553
nobody asked
learn to hide threads you dont like maybe';

'>>55777619
>didn’t ask
Discordtroon detected';

'>>55777635
my god, are you still talking?';

'>>55776493
How is Verlis even still alive? Didn't a smogon chad cucked him and he attempted suicide?';

'>>55777651
his attack missed';

'>>55777615
There is one of two possibilities:

A)The pokemon has gameplay properties that are greater than can be obtained by grinding
B)The pokemon has exactly the same gameplay properties as can be obtained by grinding

A is cheating and B is not. It's always going to be that simple and anyone who disagrees is just trolling. Gating pokemon to only people who like playing baby RPGs for thousands of hours is insane cope';

'>>55777317
You don't becausw you suck at the game and at life.
Genning equals the playing field for everyone, it democratizes teambuilding.
Give me ONE (1) reason as to why it's bad when it's available to ALL players.';

'>>55776553
I asked. Your opinion is important. Thank you for sharing such valuable insight.';

'>>55777660
Actually using third party tools that are explicitly disallowed according to the rules to skip a time consuming core part of the gameplay is cheating
>b-but
Done.';

'>>55777660
I don't think it's that simple.
Not to toot my own horn, but I have almost every resource in Pokemon singleplayer that I can use to produce a team as fast as anyone if not faster. I have many EV training items, many dittos, and know the techniques to breed and hatch batches of Pokemon at a time, and if they don't need 0 attack or 0 speed I can simply bottlecap if I feel too lazy to even see that to completion. I have generations of Pokemon from Home and trading fodder to put towards GTS to acquire anything I want. Well, ALMOST anything...
As said before, legends and exclusive Pokemon are the biggest difficulty. I can't just give myself a new encounter with a legend I already caught or a Pokemon from a previous game. Go lets be catch basically infinite legendaries if they're in the legend rotation (I think they're up to gen 6 or 7 right now), but I'd be patient, roll the dice, and need to transfer them to even see the IVs in Home. Hisuan Pokemon are similar, I can't see an Ursuluna or the one-of-a-file's Enamorus' IVs before transferring them, and you must save your file when transferring, so if that Enamorus isn't perfect I need to do the whole file all over again.
Having hacked a Pokemon with those perfect 0 IVs even today means you skip all of that and have the comfort of knowing whatever your stat brings (slowest in TR, least Foul Play damage, etc) in a fight against someone in a tournament, which is quite a significant advantage seldomly, but significant nonetheless when it comes up, to game winning extents.
Since the rules clearly state it is illegal, and it gives you an advantage that hours MAY (keyword may, no guarantee) grant you, I do feel slighted if my opponent can get those for free and I can't.';

'>>55777743
You FUCKING RETARD did you NOT READ A SINGLE WORD OF WHAT I WROTE??

THERE
IS
NO
BATTLE
ADVANTAGE
SO
IT
IS
NOT
CHEATING

FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU';

'>cheater meltdown';

'>>55777660
>doping in sports is not cheating because you can just spend more time training and be at the same level :)
bit of a retard, ain't ya?';

'>>55777790
I just explained that it is a battle advantage. You get guaranteed 0 IVs when I need to play the game completely to possibly get that chance, and if I don't I need to play the game all over again just to get that shot.
Because of tPCi's rule's, they clearly intend for SOMEONE to play through the game and obtain them organically through play, events, or trading with someone who squired them organically. They clearly care, and it seems the prepwork for building your team is being treated as part of the competition, otherwise we'd have some Showdown-adjacent program or function that lets you build your team in an instant. You can't just circumvent parts of the competition when the judge isn't looking because you don't feel like doing that part. You might not agree with it, but that's the rules.';

'>>55777809
SHUT THE FUCK UP ITS NOT THE SAME STEROIDS LITERALLY MAKE YOU INTO CAPTAIN AMERICA WHEREAS I HAVE THE EXACT. SAME. EVS.

You fucking retards are pissing me off SO MUCH';

'uh oh cheater melty!';

'YEAR OF AUTISM MY FRIENDS
>>55777777

GET IN HERE';

'Still no strategic advantage in battle if someone gens/clones. No, "le more practice!" is not an advantage. Sorry breedcucks, top players always have, are going to and always will inject.';

'>>55777885
>having had more time to test out strategies is not an advantage';

'>>55777812
replying to myself here, but also I'm giving you the strongest case scenario. Really even a more reasonable difficulty like TMs, EVs, or mints/breeding the right nature may also be considered an advantage that you could drum up through gen cheating to a player who hasn't played through or beaten the game. I beat the game and grind a lot so I have lots of disposable income, I've picked up lots of items on the ground, and I've grinded tera raids for shards. I played the game, I earned the items to use and put towards competition, just like the organization to the league wants.
Genuinely, it comes back to the question why do you not want want a game competition to be won by someone who doesn't play it?
>>55777885
and they'll always be cheating. Perhaps the ban clock will tick for their turn one day, perhaps not. The world isn't a fair place, but I'd want my competitions to be fair and sportsmanlike.
Also I don't believe you read the above posts id you're still saying this.
>>55776493
The ONLY thing I agree with this sperged up lunatic on is that there should be a heavier penalty for those big players caught cheating. So many slaps on the wrist for entire teams caught as hacked.';

'>>55777895
Test strats on showdown or general rental codes, or is that cheating too?';

'>general
*generate';

'>>55777885
>more time, flexibility and assurance of perfect mons isn't an advantage because I said so
Are you a child?';

'>>55777903
yes accoesing to verlisify
smogon is for trannies and showdown is for trannies
according to him';

'>>55777907
You may be if you don't have time constraints in your daily life to grind Pokemon AND get all the practice a champion needs';

'>le no bottle advantage
Wolfe Glick's Raichu was only possible through hacks and won him Worlds. Ray Rizzo brought an impossible Magmar and won worlds with them too. Countless max IV legendaries with the right HP was brought to countless events. Even if you had down syndrome and disregarded skipping training as a huge advantage, there's still plenty of in battle cheating';

'>Be little Timmy
>Use Wonder Trade a lot
>Go to a official tournament with the team my big bro breed me
>Get DQ'd because some judge decided I'm a cheater because the Flutter Mane I got from Wonder Trade that was on my box was deemed to be "illegal"
Thanks TPCi!';

'>>55777923
>I have a big boy job so I must cheat at those children's tournaments.
Most Olympic athletes work a full time jobs and still don't feel entitled to PEDs to "bridge the gap" with those with more time to train. If you can't make up the time, then don't compete. Why the fuck should those who follow the rules be the ones penalized for your cheating?';

'>>55777937
Ray also tried to pass off a Dream Ball Aegislash in XY as legal in a tournament.
The crazy thing is, at least in the court of popular opinion, you can get out of jail free by saying "uhhh, I got that from a fan! How was I supposed to know?" and all will be forgiven, if the fan in question isn't pro cheating themselves.
>>55777938
and you know what's so fucked up about that? The system WOULD work perfectly, Timmy WOULD be safe if cheaters didnt exist to poison the well of GTS with their clearly hacked mons to begin with. Of course I don't blame a child for seeing MACHAMPS.COM and trusting it, but if only those damn cheaters weren't fucking things up.';

'>>55777937
>Ray Rizzo brought an impossible Magmar and won worlds with them too.
Anon, if you're gonna talk shit at least do it properly.
Ray has never used a Magmar. That was Sejun.
And neither won Worlds with a Magmar. Sejun only was fifth place on Worlds 2013 with that team.
>Wolfe Glick's Raichu was only possible through hacks and won him Worlds.
You know what actually won Wolfey that Worlds? His buttbuddies, specially Markus on semis, throwing the games for him.';

'>>55777952
Hold on buddy, I agree with you. I argue real world adults and young college students every day struggle with timing schedules before making time for competitions. I haven't been able to make a single Beanie Brawl or Amoongus Bus torunament since they always start a half hour before I get home from work everyday. Maybe I'll just man up and take the round 1 loss but god does that suck, I 'aint no Wolfe Glick who can afford that and still turn shit around no problem.
Those athletes are training and competing for a living, none of us are. We need to balance our lives with the game, and I still do all this while competing straight. If I can do it, anyone else can too.';

'>>55777983
>His buttbuddies, specially Markus on semis, throwing the games for him.
qrd?';

'>>55777987
Olympic athletes, lest they are the top 1%, spend far more money training than they earn through sports.';

'>>55777996
And I would argue so do VGC worlds competitors. Imagine flying out to multiple regionalis and whatever country Worlds ends up being held in, along with hotel, food, etc.';

'>>55778000
I was replying to you anon
>Those athletes are training and competing for a living, none of us are';

'>>55777908
Verlisify hates trannies now? I didn't realize he was based. Of course, it's my view that the VGC players and SV buyers in general are the real trannies. :P';

'>>55776571
Just inject you Pokemon too.';

'>>55778156
cant, its against the rules. I dont wanna lose my tournament run because of that';

'>Pokemon fans when a game doesn’t have several hours of breeding, looking up breeding guides, using IV calculators, breeding for Shininess because that also fucking matters, using guides to EV train, mashing A to defeat low level monsters for EVs also with counting, doing arbitrary tasks for TMs and other items, getting monsters to evolve, and do trades with a second $300 console + $60 or more if needed, simply to have access to tools everyone should have for owning the game
>Pokemon fans when people also try to skip all that shit too';

'>>55778195
Stop being a pussy ass faggot and inject, bro.';

'>>55777989
Markus is his literal best friend and helped Wolfe make the team. Wolfe has been playing VGC for 10 years at that point and was a semifinalist in worlds before and wanted it bad. That part is all factual. The conspiracy is Markus threw the game so Wolfe could have his shot at world champion again';

'>>55778195
Can't or shan't? Don't be a retard and it is literally impossible for them to know';

'>>55777689
You know what is retarded? Pokehex is illegal but RNG manipulation isn't. The entire thing is retarded. Just allow genning or an in game battle sim style team maker so pussies no longer have any complaints. This would also help tournaments since they can use their own hardware. More and more the biggest problem with tourneys is switches dying mid set forcing rematches';

'>>55778270
Rng manipulation is breaking the rules. It requires third party software and the game being dumped and reverse engineered is a prerequisite to the existence of these tools.';

'>>55778284
It is literally legal and everyone who doesn't gen uses RNG manipulation. Don't be retarded';

'>>55778156
I don't want to, why should I have to break the rules in order to compete against those that do.';

'>>55778288
It's "legal" because it's not detectable. It's very clearly against the rules, and has been explicitly deemed so by TPCi representatives. You will never hear "RNG manipulation" on stream, wonder why?';

'>>55778247
Did you learn nothing from last year? Pokemon's upping their hack check game year after year. How am I supposed to know what the next tell tale sign they discover is? Plus, and talking to >>55778213, I want a fair and sportsmanlike tournament. It takes away so much integrity to know we're all breaking the rules in our competition.';

'>>55778391
Pokemon went from you have to have illegal stats to not pass to use your fucking brain to pass. The only mons which weren't passing were people who neglected the home ID';

'>>55778408
I have never heard of the Home ID thing until after last year's live banwave, I don't think anyone else did either.';

'>>55778345
>It's "legal" because it's not detectable
Then it is legal retard. Virtually every single player who doesn't admit to Henning outright admits to RNG manipulation. Especially for chink spreads';

'>>55776621
>In battle

Move those goal posts back anon';

'>>55778413
>I don't think anyone else did either
People who don't poke around pokehex and retards who can't read sure';

'>>55778414
If you're playing soccer/futball and you trip one of your opponents when a ref isn't watching, is what you did against the rules?';

'>>55778414
>they admit it
No they don't. They may say it on twitter, much like tons of VGC players say that they gen there, but they will never EVER mention it on an official stream.
Just because you can get away with something doesn't mean it's legal.';

'>>55776533
This, I hope the guy thanked GF for finally setting him on the right path he truly wanted to be on all along.';

'How are these retards getting caught? I've jacked every VGC team I and my friends have used since 2010. In total over 50 of my teams have gone to events and I've never had a single thing caught. It takes all of maybe an hour to thoroughly research what a legal and legit Pokemon should look like for a generation at most, and once you know how to do that you can usually copy and paste for all subsequent hacks. Maybe obscure legendaries might take some more work, but even then, you can knock out an entire team in one sitting. If you're getting caught, it's your own fault.';

'>>55778413
There were posts on the PP forums about it.';

'>>55776553
I liked PLA, that's the only good looking game they've made since BW and the first game I've played since DPP.';

'>>55778428
They didn't test for shit until last year, so not getting caught then doesn't mean anything. It's perfectly doable to gen, but if you don't know what they're looking for you might miss something. For instance in OP's case, it was clones in a box. You could have a perfect but what about your boxes? How would you know they'd even check for boxes?';

'>>55778422
It affected the active game state so yes. A more apt comparison is using in a proxie in a TCG';

'>>55778448
if genning is the only way you'd get a pokemon with X traits, then you affected the gamestate by creating it when you wouldn't have had it otherwise.';

'>>55778425
They don't admit it on stream because no one gives a shit about how the teams were acquired on stream. They care about the match that either just happened or is happening';

'>>55778453
>if genning is the only way you'd get a pokemon with X traits, then you affected the gamestate by creating it when you wouldn't have had it otherwise.
I agree. Good thing 99% of genning isnt';

'>>55778455
>deflects
You understood full well what I said. I'll rephrase it in a way that you can weasel out of. What do you think would happen if a player on stream said she used RNG manipulation to generate her team?';

'>>55778455
>They don't admit it on stream because no one gives a shit about how the teams were acquired on stream';

'>>55778425
Because RNG Manipulation isn't relevant to actual battles on stream that they're commentating, you fucking retard. Do you expect them to talk about breeding strategies and EV training tips on VGC streams too?';

'>>55778473
>>55778466';

'>>55778466
People have literally admired to it during world's and no one gave a shit. Sure it was several years ago and TCPi might pretend they care now but from what I have heard of judges they don't give a shit. They just don't want any i's crossed and it's dotted';

'>>55778473
They do. These people are retarded. It legitimately does not matter anyways. I have said a billion times that they should just have an in game battle sim for events anyways';

'>>55778476
I'm even suprised to hear that someone admitted to it years ago, but times have changed and tPCi are much more adamant about that today, so you wouldn't see that today.
Go ahead, show me a single instance of anyone who's regionals or worlds-worthy mentioning such. I know Wolfe does mental gymnastics videos going through circumstantial evidence how he doesn't cheat knowingly.';

'>>55778476
>why would people talk about it you fucking retard???
>w-well people did talk about it and it was totally fine....
Lol.

No, it has never been mentioned in any sort of official broadcast, much like injecting hasn't.';

'>>55778485
Wolfe is also a lying kike. I'll be honest though I haven't kept up with VGC since gen 8 started. People at regionals use to talk to judges about "hey I have this and it is should but it should pass the check" and the judge doesn't give a shit as long as it passes. Every serious player does not care about were the mons are acquired as long as the stats are legit. They compete to see who is the best player and ironically in a world were hack checking is perfect the big boys actually gain the most since they can just offload breeding/training on other people.';

'I hope more people cheat and go undetected just to make you anti-cheat faggots seethe.';

'>>55778488
I was referring to outright hacking probably 7 or so years ago. It might have been 2016 I don't remember. It is fairly inconsequential and finding it would be aids due to the amount of drama videos that get made about nothing';

'>>55778482
>I have said a billion times
who are you, why should we care and don't you have anything better to do than utter the words "battle simulator" a billion times (31 years of saying battle sim if you said 24/7 once every second)?';

'>>55778513
>I was referring to [thing that never happened] and [I can't provide any evidence of it]
Boom. Done.

Now do answer my question, what do you reckon would happen if a player on an official VGC stream mentioned she got her entire time through RNG manipulation?';

'>>55778511
>I was referring to [thing that never happened] and [I can't provide any evidence of it]
Boom. Done.

Now do answer my question, what do you reckon would happen if a player on an official VGC stream mentioned she got her entire time through RNG manipulation?';

'>>55778506
Oh they will. Hell I will. Every single person I have seen screech about cheaters is pants on head retarded and would go 0-2 every event. Reminder their savior tried to shill a support AV lapras with moves it couldn't call and choice item protect sets';

'>>55778497
>Wolfe is also a lying kike
ok, honestly I believe this statement, but that's not evidence
>People at regionals use to talk to judges about "hey I have this and it is should but it should pass the check" and the judge doesn't give a shit as long as it passes
I'm not going to say "VGC players have autism and can't keep a straight face for shit" as well as "those tranny judges will ignore whatever they dont care about at the time", but I will think that.
>Every serious player does not care about were the mons are acquired as long as the stats are legit.
Well, they care about winning, and failing a hack check will make them lose. It's slightly more care than just legit stats, but if they're offloading the work onto someone else then they're already putting that faith in someone else
>the big boys actually gain the most since they can just offload breeding/training on other people
True, but that's also where lazy hackers will give them mons and screw them over in the end sometimes. Like I referenced, Wolfe is claiming a G Moltres he used in SwSh was someone else's, and if it was hacked he takes 0 responsibility for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU8xrHGt8bE';

'>>55778506
but if they go undetected, how would I know?';

'>>55778524
I'm often top 10 on different showdown ladders, including VGC. While I wouldn't go to tournaments, I'm certainly good enough to top cut. Gening is still, by definition, cheating. I'd respect it if the argument was "yeah I cheat but so does pretty much everyone so the playing field is even" instead of that gay ass "it's totally not cheating because reddit said so!!!" argument';

'These threads always make me so happy. Packed to the brim with cope as people try to explain away cheating but can't. Like just don't cheat. It's that easy
>but
don't cheat
>b-but
don't cheat
>b-b-but!
don't cheat';

'Reminder nips have literally arrested people for selling pokemon. These retarded laws are ultimately what you are defending';

'>>55778547
>don't cheat
Too bad. Been doing it for longer than half this board has been away';

'>>55778541
>because reddit said so
No I am right now. It doesn't matter. If it passes the check I am playing without any hint of guilt. If it doesn't pass the check I said woopsies doopsies and make sure I correct what I did wrong in the future. Not that I have ever not passes a check in my dozen or so tournys I have went to';

'>>55778572
>I didn't get caught therefore I didn't cheat
nigger lol';

'>>55778579
If my peers don't consider it cheating why should I care what some unplayers think?';

'>>55778587
>shieeeeee man my niggas all be lootin shit with me ya feel?
>and FUCK the police
nigger lol';

'2bh a majority of the top cut contenders use some form of cheating (depending on how you stretch the definition if you want to include testing a theorized team on Showdown or not) because TPC doesn't have hack checks worth a damn. The mass disqualification that one time was because idiots just genned their Legends within SV (ending up with Urshifu's without a legal Home code) instead of genning them in their home game, getting the Home code for transporting to PokeHome, and getting away with it, even with half of their mon's data being flagged by PKHeX as blatantly genned.
Tournaments should use PKHeX to check since obviously that program is much more capable of finding hacked mons than whatever they officially use.';

'Tournament devils already restrict my ability to use Full restores and duplicate Pokemon and i consider that cheating so i dont attend them.';

'>>55778579
https://youtu.be/XeOwTw0DVxM?si=K9afa6Ht11ywo9U-&t=67';

'>>55778428
Because now they're checking even your boxes which could lead to situations such as >>55777938
They're hitting people for the most random shit possible now, even for shit outside the ruleset.
One of these days we're gonna see someone for getting banned for having 999 on every item or something dumb like that.';

'>>55778616
>they're only catching cheaters but soon they might catch legit players by mistake so they should leave the cheaters alone!!!!!
Don't cheat.';

'>>55778587
>>55778572
it is cheating, and your peers consider it cheating even if they dont care about it, otherwise why would you be sneaky about it?
Honestly if I played against you in a tournament I'd trust despite you having hacked Pokemon that it would be a fair match, as a competitor there'd be nothing I could do about it. I wouldn't even snitch on you, I'd gain nothing out of it and I doubt it would do anything anyway if your team passes checks. I've lost to Wolf Glicke before, playing against you whether win or lose would be no different. Doesn't change it from being a little fucked up though.';

'>>55778598
Every single top cut player in the past 10 years uses showdown. You hear them talk about it on stream every now and then when they talk about testing teams. In all honesty using showdown is closer to cheating than genning. You can play 3 games in showdown in the time it takes for you to do 1 on cart and all the best players are practicing on showdown so if you are practicing on cart you are literally getting worse practice slower';

'>>55778598
>if you want to include testing a theorized team on Showdown or not
Is there anyone ITT who would consider this? Maybe Verlis would, but he's a sperg loser.';

'>>55777938
Based cheater digitally fucking timmy';

'>>55778598
They never reveal how they hack check, they very well could be using a hex editor or whatever.
>>55778616
I remember one time in 3ds days I went to a tournament where the hack check included booting your system up using the common boot up command for 3ds Homebrew, I think it was Dup on startup. Luckily I put mine to something like a shoulder button so I never got fucked, but I heard getting caught with modded software on the system was an automatic DQ';

'>>55778622
I am not sneaky about it. If someone asks I tell them. If you have EVER went to an official tourny you would know 20-30% of players are outright open about it with their peers.';

'>>55778639
define peers. Your friends? Sure, I'd tell my best friend. I actually hacked gen 6 and gave him stuff. The others who don't know you as well? Fat chance.';

'>>55778625
Do they ever post elo / ladder ranking or upload showdown content?';

'>>55778644
Yes.';

'>>55778627
Using consistent logic it is just as much cheating as genning. If the advantage of genning is additional time saved to practice more then showdown is just as much if not more so cheating';

'>>55778644
Are you asking if top players talk about showdown? Because fuck yeah they do. Almost every big poketuber has a video or 10 about testing sets on showdown';

'>>55778644
NielVGC used to post when he hit #1 on ladder with a team concept then would do a video about it, maybe even would show some replays to prove his thesis about the team/meta. I'm going to miss him so much, bros. It isn't fair. One's politics shouldn't bleed into their recreational life if they aren't out preaching about it.';

'>>55778652
>create team
>play with team
those are what you're circumventing by genning, which is against the rules. The rules say nothing about studying, practicing, and theorycrafting prior to the event. Apples and oranges. Nice try though.';

'>>55778656
>>55778644
Even Wolfe has videos talking about using showdown. The one that comes to mind was his "leaked" team awhile ago.';

'>>55778662
>>55778652
Didn't Showdown have a legal discusion with Pokemon and they're allowed to stay up as long as they remain only a battle sim and don't adopt any of the other game mechanics?';

'>>55778461
Wrong. If genners were forced to catch their Pokemons the regular way, they would have less time to practice and possibly not get as far in a tournament, in which case they would not get to use the mons.
Time is a real resource and TPCi clearly wants people to spend some of it on engaging with Pokemon catching.';

'>>55778663
The compromise was no app if I remember correctly. They really should just absorb them and use it for official tournys. TCPi barely cares about VGC anyways. Just look at the rulebook. 70% of it is for the TCG';

'>>55778669
You are literally moving the goalpost. But I am guessing that isn't even your post and you are just jumping on';

'>>55778669
Why do you want rich and famous people to have an advantage?
Someone like Wolfey or Rizzo will just use their army of fans to breed and catch the team for them while use all their time to train.
Genning democratizes the game and allows a true even ground for everyone.';

'Genning is the 1st amendment of VGC. It equalizes the field and anyone who disagrees with it is a tyrant bootlicker. Sure some kids are gonna get ganked but that's the price of freedom';

'>>55778710
you know the truth is they will always have an advantage. Open sheets may seem like a plus with no scouting, but then curveball strats get snuffed out even easier. You just cant win with anything but pure skill and strategy superiority, which is supposed to be how it is... but then you have to beat them.';

'>>55776508
Because without genning it would become Pay To Win.';

'>>55778715
>freedom in a corporation-ran franchise game competition';

'>>55778728
> wanting less freedom
> wanting the rich and famous to hold an unjust advantage
Why are you such a huge faggot?';

'>>55778728
Yes? I have the right to do whatever I want with the software I purchased';

'>>55778744
cool and agreed, but when you agree to conform to the rules in a competition, thats a different story. Im not grabbing a soccer ball with my hands and complaining about muh freedom when given a card.';

'>>55778747
More apt comparison would be you are told to use BRAND white t but I am using a hanes t with the proper tag. You will never know and it won't affect the game';

'>>55776493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg_SVI6VSdg';

'>>55778634
Yeah this one happened to quite a few people for Melbourne Regionals and Aus Nationals back in 2015. Had the idea the day before to switch out my SD card for my spare that didn’t have the Homebrew stuff on it but others didn’t have that foresight and got caught out.';

'>>55776493
>apparently he’s gay, he asked Wolfe out but got rejected
If this true, holy shit this would explain alot';

'>>55779084
>he's gay
No shit.
>asked Wolfe out and got rejected
You mean the furrnjgger asked out a guy named Wolfe? Woah. That part is probably bullshit';

'>>55779129
Yeah niggerlisfy is stalking wolfe since 2015 or whenever. Maybe this story is bullshit but I won’t be surprised if turns out that he’s a faggot. He’s not well at all';

'Genning/Cloning are objectively evil actions. If you don't understand this, you are evil and immoral mentally.';

'>>55778715
>I have a God given right to cheat.';

'Just play the fucking game. Stop cheating and play the game. It's not hard you cheaters, it's a game for children that you apparently can't play and have to cheat at.';

'>>55778724
It's pay-to-win regardless. You're a fag for buying a switch, you're a fag for buying SV, you're a fag for buying the DLCs, you're a fag for buying a battle pass, you're a fag for paying the expenses of traveling for VGC, but overall you're just a faggot good goy consoomer for wasting your time playing this gross soulless uninspired nugen trannyslop at all. Get excited for new product, consoom new product. No one will ever care about "Regulation ABCDEFG" ever again the minute it goes defunct. VGC is pump and dump, flavor-of-the-month slop. No one loves VGC, that's why they gen in the first place (if you loved a game you would respect all its rules, which you don't, you are unscrupulous), you only want to play VGC because it's "official" and you are cattle, brainless moths drawn to light. No one respects VGC players. >B-but wolfe is good at the game. He's a soulless new-age youtube grifter. VGC matches are boring to spectate. The switch graphics aren't even pretty. It's slop. You're gay. You're fag. You're tranny. Go back 2 reddit.';

'>>55779278
kek, i was having a similar discussion with a friend the other day
if tpc said tomorrow that vgc is kill 99.% of people playing it right now wouldn't play it ever again, the slurpers only play it because it is "official" and nothing else
you never see vgccucks playing older vgcs unless its a special fancy tourney and even then they will never ever reach a good amount of players, even saying 50 is a stretch
vgc has no inherent value besides being "official", there's no real love or care from the players for it, they're all just good little dogs for tpc';

'>>55779278
Is this a copypasta?
you’re right about VGC though';

'>>55776493
The pokemon in question is a set of Ogrepon, not even on his team but in a box. The Ogrepon weren't being used and the cloned Ogrepon couldn't even theoretically provide an advantage since you're not allowed multiple of the same pokemon on the team anyway. The Ogerpon posed no threat to competitive integrity.';

'VGC is shit and will always be shit genners or no.';

'>>55779439
>wtf officer what does it matter if I have 10 keys of coke? I'm not even high right now!';

'Pokemon fans are some serious cuckolds
>Only competitive scene that fullys expects you to do the breeding and stat altering through grinding
>On top of that, contrarians here praise when GameFreak takes a step back and makes it more tedious to make a team like with TMs
>Only competitive scene that fully expects you to own other shit so you can have an advantage
>Only game that might expect you to own something are fighting sticks for fighters, which is only a comfort thing and not exclusive content, and DLC which tournaments will provide anyways
>This is despite the fact that Pokemon bans Mythicals even shitmons like Phione, but of course they won’t ban shit like Enamorus
>On top of this, you practically need multiple games and consoles or have to trust someone gives you Pokemon you want.
>The prize pool for the main competition is absolutely not worth it. It barely covers your costs to simply play the game with tools on par for everyone else
I will keep defending rule breaking until GameFreak actually gets their shit together and makes a proper teambuilder. None of that babystep shit with IV Bottle Caps and Nature Mints.

I will also continue to criticise VirGinCucks as a whole because of the bullshit VGC players have to deal with on a daily basis and how they willingly accept the lack of luxuries other competitive scenes have like timely balance changes or bans.';

'>>55777019
what's so funny, kid?';

'>>55780011
Come on now. At least use the crackhead
>yeah officer I have 15 catalytic converters in my trunk. They are definitely all legally acquired';

'>>55780051
>wtf they assume pokemon players who regularly travel the country/world to play in tournaments would own the $60 pokemon game that comes out once every 4 years?';

'>>55780085
Nah, the cloned mons are illegal, the guy admits it, but claims that since he's not currently using them it's fine';

'>>55780119
Many players only compete at whatever the closest tourny is to them. Most people are flying all over to compete. And it isn't a single 60$ game unless you are genning so I guess I agree with you there';

'>>55777666
Based satan';

'>>55780130
It's a single game every 4 years, always in the top 10 most sold of a given Nintendo console.
I owned every single pokemon game (I asked for them for every other Christmas) when I was a child in 2007. The idea that it's an unfair and unsurmountable burden to compete is straight up retarded. TGC decks have never been cheaper and easily cost $50 cost.
Besides you could just ask your friend to send you whatever untrained shitmon you need
>but I need 0IV spe/atk enamonrus!!!
No you don't. It's unviable.
>but I want to use it anyway for reasons and I somehow only started playing Pokemon 2 months ago + I'm homeless!!!
get your money up lil nigga, why is bringing a shitmon to pokemon tournaments your top priority?';

'>>55776571
practice for what? pressing buttons?';

'>>55779278
come home to doubles ou, white man';

'>>55776493
>>55776508
>>55776527
>>55776528
>>55776553
>>55776570
>>55776583
>>55776585
>>55776590
>>55776629
>>55776635
>>55776641
>>55776659
>>55776707
>>55776725
>>55776734
>>55776743
>>55776753
>>55776770
>>55776791
>>55776802
>>55776810
>>55776836
>>55776848
>>55776893
>>55776989
>>55777317
>>55777371
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>>55777689
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>>55777809
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>>55777937
>>55777952
>>55777961
>>55778497
>>55778547
>>55778621
>>55778622
>>55778660

YWNB good at competitive';

'>>55780255
I'm currently in the top 15 on showdown VGC and I count a dozen of my posts in your tower of seethe.';

'>>55780255
I made Day 2 of EUIC this year so chances are I'm better than you';

'>>55780264
>>55780266
yes and I'm wolfe glick';

'>>55778442
>You could have a perfect but what about your boxes? How would you know they'd even check for boxes?
As an autistic precaution I would always empty out my boxes on the game I bring to tournaments. I have a game with maybe a dozen or so total Pokemon on it and I store the rest in home or a different save file.';

'>>55776501
Almost been 24 hours and still nobody can answer this';

'>>55780294
I am progenning and you tagged my post for whatever reason. I have made day 2 at 3 of the 5 events I have been to. I am in the Midwest and hate to travel so that number would be far bigger probably if my region wasn't fucked';

'>>55780310
>I am progenning and you tagged my post for whatever reason
it was a mistake anon, sorry';

'i genuinely fucking thought that everyone involved was baiting each other but there's some genuine retards here
just fucking gen, but don't get caught, there's fucking legitimacy checks that you CAN pass, is that really so fucking hard? that's always been the unspoken rule';

'>>55780329
Happens anon. Have a good day';

'>>55780294
Is the top 15 of a given ladder so unattainable to you that you assume I can't possibly be telling the truth?';

'>>55780367
I didn't feel like playing Sword again so the other day I went to a trade bot, the kind that takes a .pkm as input (the ones that take Showdown format are the ones with wrong values all around and always end up getting caught) and procured myself a couple of calyrexes for both shadow and ice. I actually did it from Sword for extra care.

I built them in PKHex, randomized IVs until I got around 3-4 attack for Shadow, 1 speed for Ice (it rounds down at level 50), rolled PID multiple times, gave them random OTs as well so they look like someone trade them to me, validated everything. Days later when the Ogerpon incident happened, I looked up my boxes and realized the fucking trade bot had overwritten the mons' trainer data with my own before sending it to me. Then I went to the bot server and they do this as a policy "to discourage abuse" or whatever. The hypocritical faggots literally built that system to be abused, much like that kaphotics fag

So I guess I know what happened to the Brazilian guy.';

'>>55780415
not for a retard like you. OMs played by five people don't count';

'>>55780471
Do you think (You) could make it to top 15? Because it looks like you're projecting.';

'>>55779278
>No one will ever care about "Regulation ABCDEFG" ever again the minute it goes defunct.
Because VGC is a seasonal game, not a forever game. Each new Reg is a puzzle; "make the best team possible with this new set of rules." You play it for a few months, then move on to the next puzzle. Playing the same format forever is boring. Case in point, formats used to be 12 months and by the end of a format nobody cared. Heck, here's a double example, look at Series 12 in SS vs Series 1 - 11 and 13. Series 12 ran for eight months and by the end it was stale.';

'>>55780464
Which server were you using? All of the ones I use preserve Trainer data. I know, because one time I made three copies of the same team and had to give the Heatrans different OTs so it wasn't obvious they were clones (they also got different IVs and PIDs too).';

'>>55776501
>Muh adventage/disadvantage
Fuck that, that's not important.
You're playing in a fucking tournament, I don't care who you are, you need to show integrity and pride in what you're fucking doing.
If your players are rocking up to your tourney wherein they're supposed to use things obtained ingame on the player's merit and they've got mountains of Pokemon obtained using exploits or obtained through illegitimate means with outside third party tools, what does that say about your tournement?
Setting aside the matter of advantages or disadvantages, imagine having a bunch of roided up freaks showing up to a weight lifting competition? Or a bunch of sprinters showing up with modified footwear? It makes your tournament look like a joke with no principles, standards or ethics before they've even done anything.
TCP have laid out the rules very transparently and to continue to go against them just shows a blatant disregard for the standards of the tournament and if people cannot understand why such rules are in place and why it's important to uphold them then they shouldn't be playing in a fucking tournament to begin with.
Stop being lazy and play the fucking game, stop making a fool of yourselves. Grown ass men and women cheating in a fucking kids game, it's shameful, honestly.
This is a good life lesson and it's important they learn it from now when all it's doing is embarassing them in public and not getting them jail time. Foolish, illegitimate shortcuts in life only get you nowhere fast. Do things properly if you want to get anywhere. Y'know, unless you're a politician or have friends in high places. Peons like us don't have such luxuries, however.
Tournement organisers have an obligation to ensure everyone is playing on a level playing field, even just the presence of cheats on a console should naturally flag concerns of how legitimately a player is playing the game. If you didn't actually catch the Mon, you don't deserve to use it.';

'>>55780548
it's a discord server called Pokéstars and I found it after searching a lot, as most gen 8 bots are dead these days. Of course I wasn't going to gen Calyrex in SV.';

'>>55780534
guess I am a casual but I always found that off putting. I don't think it's a good game if it's stale after 8 months. It's weird to me how many people are into that kind of stuff these days - they have made "seasonal" versions of other video games I used to play, and I could never find that appealing. It feels like an artificial way of creating "hype".';

'>>55780562
holy shit you just made a new autist copypasta, saved lmao
>Y'know, unless you're a politician or have friends in high places. Peons like us don't have such luxuries, however.
speak for yourself faggot, genning is the "friends in high places" you claim we nor you are somehow not worthy of. i can do it, you can do it, we can do it and guess what? if you're not fucking retarded, you won't get caught, and you just saved an incredible amount of time so you can actually play the PvP section of the game.
what a fucking bootlicker';

'anti-genning fags are like "play the fucking game" meanwhile not even the circuit organizers are arsed to.';

'>>55780563
>it's a discord server
get fucked lmao. Even the twitch bots preserve trainer ID';

'>>55780562
>Setting aside the matter of advantages or disadvantages, imagine having a bunch of roided up freaks showing up to a weight lifting competition? Or a bunch of sprinters showing up with modified footwear? It makes your tournament look like a joke with no principles, standards or ethics before they've even done anything.
Good. Roids should be legal in all professional sports. Hit the balls into the stratosphere. I want to see just how far the human limit is';

'>>55780562
>This is a good life lesson and it's important they learn it from now when all it's doing is embarassing them in public and not getting them jail time
I agree but for the opposite perspective. Genning is the equivalent of a blue law that doesn't do anything and no one gives a shit about except people who objectively do not matter. As for the
>muh friends in high places
Just like the real world you simply have to be slightly smarter than a retard to not get caught';

'>>55780643
and you can pass a .pkm in a twitch bot?';

'>>55780674
how else would they work? You just paste it and it works I believe. I never used any and just made them myself personally but I have a friend that uses a twitch bot';

'If steroids were comparable to training everyday (and you couldn't outmatch trained athletes by doing average while on a cycle) would that be considered cheating?';

'>>55780628
What is being circled here?';

'>>55780683
steroids also have adverse medical repercussions to athletes. If it was a hypothetical panacea it would be and SHOULD be legal in all sports. The point is to see how far the human body can go. Likewise genning and battle sims are good for VGC as it allows the game to evolve and progress significantly faster';

'>>55780700
i think the "steroid" argument for genning is retarded. steroids make an active change in the body and can be spotted.
meanwhile genning, if you REALLY wanna compare it to anything, it's more like gene splicing to create something that just looks and completely acts like a totally normal athlete, except sometimes a retard splicer will forget to checksum their hashes and their lightspeed runner comes out with a malformed eye socket and will cling to your leg begging for you to kill it while the TO's call the cops for your affront sins against god';

'>>55780628
>24 PP mortal spin
This cheating fuck should've never been able to be in stream';

'>>55780737
>This cheating fuck should've never been able to be in stream
are... Are you retarded? Do you not know pp up exists?';

'>>55780700
Steroids are healthy and prevent injuries. High testosterone is desirable in everyday life and during exercise
>but what about muh body build-
They're severely overweight. Their mass is what's killing them, their hard and body cannot sustain 300 pounds of tissue, and that's not even considering their crash diets and the retarded workouts they do.';

'>>55780744
Why would you waste a valuable item that takes time to acquire on a move you might use 2 times in a battle?
What VGC game lasts 24 turns? In that unicorn of a game, would you use mortal spin every single turn? You obviously don't know anything about the game you fucking redditor.';

'>>55780752
>he doesn't know about style points
I REFUSE to be insulted by someone who enters battles with round numbers. If it isn't divisible by 8 you can suck my dick';

'>>55780760
>h-haha I was only pretending to be retarded! Lol!
Kill yourself.';

'>>55780764
nice try mr everyone I dont like is reedit. Complaining about reddit has always and will always be a reddit thing anyways. It has since 2011';

'>>55780769
>moves goalposts
It's okay buddy, you've been caught not having a clue about how game resources nor VGC games work. Now do properly offer your concession and I'll be happy to accept it.';

'>>55776493
Shut up Verlis';

'>>55780788
I accept your concession.';

'>round numbers
is this nigga retarded?';

'>>55780679
>talked shit off his ass
Of course you did

Twitch bots use the chat and you insert a build in Showdown format. Those are the quickest to be BTFO'd by hack checks because the bot has to use a template and add the missing data, and that's how you get mismatching PIDs, OTs named "ObviousBotTV" and all sorts of red flags.

Meanwhile Discord allows attaching files, so that gives the option to create a mon in pkhex and check that it passes as legit. And then some bots can receive that file as input and give you a pokémon that passes all checks. Except the one I found overwrote the trainer data with my own, which would have put me in the same situation as the brazilian guy.';

'>>55780686
The absence of tera button. Organizers set up a console to stream players who have a Switch Lite (as the Lite can't be connected to the stream setup). The console is supposed to be battle ready so players download their own team's rental and play on stream. Except the retarded staff didn't even complete the first 20 minutes of the game and unlock terastallization. This happened twice in Orlando and they had to restart the matches.

They tell competitors to "play the game" while they CBA to do it themselves';

'>>55780845
lol. LMAO even';

'>>55780563
Go checkout the berichan server. It has a Gen 8 bot.';

'>>55776553
>I’m a poor NEET loser who can’t afford a switch';

'>>55780860
Thanks anon!!

get fucked antigenning fags';

'>>55776493
He's right that VGC players are scum but refuses to admit IVs are an incredibly awful mechanic and even more QoL is necessary.';

'>>55780879
please post your tournament winnings soon genbro show em poorfags';

'>>55777157
Probably would if they didn't charge like 60 bucks for a competitor pass.';

'>>55779278
holy based. you're very correct in that people play vgc because it's official. people who play for fun will generally do that in singles because singles are just more fun. but comp fags have to stick to doubles kek because it's what vgc runs.';

'>>55776553
>ITT we enable avatarfags';

'>>55780617
It's easier from a design and balance standpoint and it's better for a player engagement standpoint. If your pvp game only has to last a handful of months, you don't need to worry about getting everything 100% perfect. Devs make something broken? Next season they can fix it. Meanwhile, say I, a player, want to get into the game. If it's a long established game and I jump in, I'm going to get rolled by people with years of experience, and unless I'm really autistic about grinding, I'll probably just quit. In a seasonal game, I can just jump in at the start of the new season and learn the meta with everyone else. Pokemon doesn't really have that much base level knowledge you need to play. There is knowledge like speed tiers and certain mechanic interactions that can help you long term, but you can just give someone a rental team and as long as they've played the single player game they'll be able to start winning. I gave my seven year old a rental team and he was able to get into Great Ball tier. Yes, it's not Master Ball, but it's something. Meanwhile, he has never won a game of Smash Bros online.';

'>>55780901
This was something I recognised as being one of the biggest barriers to entry back when my friends and I dabbled in Gen 6 VGC that needed abolishing. Natures and EVs can be easily controlled by players, but when there’s another layer of RNG bullshit that cannot be easily controlled by players then I don’t see any point in getting too involved or invested into competitive play.';

'>>55776493
Grown ass man complaining about babys first pvp';

'>>55780628
>bu-but what about-
no.';

'>>55780845
holy shit lol';

'>>55777664
>you suck at the game and at life.
>Genning equals the playing field for everyone, it democratizes teambuilding.
Is this an argument about the game, or an argument about life?

Because being required to travel to a specific irl location to compete in vgc is a 100000x more expensive barrier to entry than being required to legitimately obtain the 6 pokemon you use to battle. This also obviously makes it less competitive, by artificially limiting the pool of possible participants. Irl traveling isn't a skill involved in pokemon battling, but it is necessary to even be allowed to participate in vgc. Travelling requires time, effort, money, and resources, and has even less relationship to your skills as a pokemon trainer than catching your mons does - yet it is even more crucial, if you want to compete in vgc.

It is of course obvious that pokemon is intended to be a kiddie larp, the larp is that you're pretending to be irl pokemon trainers. From this perspective, it makes sense that they want you to obtain your pokemon legitimately, as well as be present at a specific irl location to compete.

Hacking in your mons is no different than using fake cards for the tcg. It's easy to see why this is illegal.

If you are pro-genning, you should also logically be against the in-person LAN party-tier tournaments that are vgc pokemon. Other competitive games have their tournaments online, utilizing this wonderful thing called the internet, so that people from all across the world can compete instantly and fairly without being hindered by the bounds of real-life geography and/or poverty. Then you wouldn't be in the red even after claiming your prize money...

But of course, if gate-keeping poorfags is important to you, that's understandable too!';

'>>55781727
Pre Gen 8 the way levels worked, if you were less than level 50 in a flat battle you kept your level, but if you were greater than 50 it leveled you down to 50. Now, regardless of your level, you're set to level 50 in pvp battles. If all IVs were set to 31 in pvp battles it would take some minor strategies out of the game (Lonely Stakataka, optimizing for LO recoil on Salamence and Kingdra, etc.), but it would greatly cut down on reasons to inject. If I don't need a 0 IV Cresselia for my TR team and just need a minus speed nature, I can mint it and move on.';

'>>55783385
The success of the Player's Cup showed that they SHOULD be doing more events online.';

'>>55779278
Smogonchad laying down the smackdown.';

'>>55776493
Being wise is understanding that despite very often acting like genuine retard, Verlisify is generally correct and other Poketubers hate him for that.

Cheating bastards deserve the worst.';

'>>55776553
Congratulations on winning 4chan again';

'>>55776501
Almost two days later and still no answer for this';

'>>55784393
>Verlisify is generally correct
I will never concede this fact. He is as you said genuinely retarded. I will concede that hacking is rampant in VGC but I also think it is objectively a good thing as it allows the meta to evolve faster';

'>>55776493
What program are people using to gen Pokémon?';

'>>55785131
trade bots usually. People who do it themselves use pokehex';

'>>55776501
Why does it matter?
Doing so violates the rules set for the competition.
People crying about it are just some entitled crybabies that feel they are above the rules.';

'>>55785268
>Why does it matter?
It matters as there needs to be justification for rules other than “it’s the rules!”.
The only justification for no genning rule is that isn’t “it’s the rules!” is that a law (lobbied by Nintendo btw) in Japan exists that limits your ability to modify what you own (which in itself is a “it’s the rules!” type of law).

But more over, such rules don’t need to exist. Simply just provide a teambuilder like what Showdown has currently, in game or as a free app.
Bam, no one tries cheating any more. No one has to spend hours making a team just to compete.
Only reason why GameFreak refuses to do this because they need their fans whipped and spending money to buy tons of shit they don’t need.';

'>>55785310
>It matters as there needs to be justification for rules other than “it’s the rules!”.
No it doesn't. It's It's their competition, they get to make the rules.
If you sign up for it, you agree to abide by these rules.
Don't like it, don't play. Simple as.
If you want some justification how about
>The company that makes the game wants people to play that game to promote that game

If they would actually care about competitive play, they would not have waited 22 years to push their "official" format into a mainline game.
Or actually provide a way the super duper officially format i the game itself.
It would be super simple to have something like Stadium 3 with a Showdown like team builder that gets updated once something new drops.
But that won't happen because they don't care.';

'>>55785310
>there needs to be justifications
Why am I not allowed to pick the ball when playing soccer? Why can't I bring restricted mons to reg A?';

'>>55785380
>Why am I not allowed to pick the ball when playing soccer?
It defeats the purpose of the game and makes it less interesting, the exact opposite of what GameFreak expects from people.
>Why can't I bring restricted mons to reg A?
Regs are seasonal formats that progressively let you use different Pokemon as regulations pass. Kind of like Smogon’s lower tiers, this allows for Pokemon that are generally weaker to be used for a bit before better Pokemon release.

Meanwhile there is no morally good reason why Pokemon does not have a teambuilder like Showdown. It’s excluded for the sole purpose of forcing players to buy more games and consoles, as well as keeping the player base whipped cucks willing to spend hours a day grinding.
It would be like if NBA players were forced to buy NBA mops and were forced to clean their house before each game with said mops.';

'>>55781727
All they got to do is make an NPC that can lower or raise an IV by 1 point by lowering the Pokemon's level 70 or higher by 20 levels. done.';

'>>55786491
You listed two arbitrary rules. Training your mons is another arbitrary rule. Gamefreak decided that for their competition, team building and training is important.
>but I think this rule is dumb and makes the game less fun!
So do travel rules in the NBA, except Bron doesn't bitch when he gets caught taking a stroll on the court.';

'>>55786556
>Arbitrary
Seasons in competitive games isn’t arbitrary and neither is rules against picking the ball up. I literally just stated why they are there.
There is literally no reason moral reason for GameFreak to not allowed genned Pokemon.';

'>>55787754
The reasons you stated are literally "that's not how the game is". Gening isn't how the game is either
>b-b-but
Done.';

'>>55787759
>The reasons you stated are literally "that's not how the game is"
Where? Ctrl F literally nothing comes up, lying faggot.';

'>>55787851
>It defeats the purpose of the game
There you go buddy. Is it still shoddy reading comprehension when you don't understand your own posts?
Anyway, I've accepted your concession so feel free to not reply.';