'>>1742049
Anon rolls worst OP ever, asked to leave /vst/';

'OP is a faggot! We demand a Burma OP!';

'>>1742049
Do we have any leak on Mexico';

'>>1742121';

'How the fuck do I play the Aryan Brotherhood without getting absolutely steamrolled?';

'>>1742049
Trannyfaggot we want Burma';

'>>1742183
By getting gud.';

'>>1742049
Reminder that Panzer made that logo';

'>>1742192
This thread fucking sucks.';

'>>1742198
So does the mod. Can't make a diamond out of a turd.
But you know what we could've had? A fucking Burma OP, if OP wasn't a fucking FAGGOT.';

'>>1742203
We had a Burma OP last time and the only person who cared about it was OP.';

'>>1742049
Every single one of you in this thread is a nigger tranny. Including OP. Fuck (You) and fuck this mod full trannies in its fanbase.';

'>>1742204
As the Burma anon, I can sadly confirm that it's very rare for people to respond to my posts. As I remember, over the past few months I was the OP of 2 or 3 TNO threads and the only response I got was one anon telling me that no one cared about Burma.';

'>>1742225
I respect your tenacity, but come on, chief. No one cares about Burma.

I'm more of a Guangdong Goon, myself.';

'>>1742225
you gotta push it yourself, or nothing will happen. Write a doc, do a design, and get the ball rolling.

Or do nothing, and wait for no one to ever do it.';

'>>1742228
I know no one (else) cares about Burma, but maybe if I post enough people will become interested.';

'>>1742204
EAT SHIT FAGGOT BURMA OP WAS THE LAST GOOD OP WE HAD

>>1742234
You memed me into caring about Burma! Your enthusiasm has grown on me! It's endearing! Also I know Burma content would be better than most TNO content because there's a 0% chance it'd be a western political soapbox extravaganza.';

'>>1742121';

'>>1742247
Thank you for your support anon!';

'Burma anon is cute!';

'my friend who's from burma is taking less of an interest in burma than this anon
that's why i (platonically) love him';

'>>1742248
based.';

'>>1742248
>More charts for things that'll never release
Hey remember the Ostland Jackeln rework tree? That absolutely gigantic one that probably took several days to make?

Bet whoever made it feels retarded since it was all scrapped in the end, lmao.';

'>>1742225
You should have applied for writer position, they just inducted a batch of new writers but you could have applied after to be a designer for Burma.';

'>>1742271
>>1742258
Thank you for your kind words, anons!
>>1742278
Unfortunately I am bad at both writing and coding.';

'>>1742278
Nah Burmanon should make a submod. TNiggers would just hold 'em back.';

'>>1742049';

'>>1742290';

'>>1742280
You just have to practice free-form writing, give yourself a prompt here and there, it can't be too hard. They have guides for writing events and they aren't that hard to follow either
You could even write an event about Burma for your application';

'>>1742292
Don't enable Burmanon to be dragged into that cessput. Burmanon should work together with like-minded friends and follow a personal vision, not deal with that utterly vile team.

Also, it'd objectively have a higher chance of being added then, since TNO never makes new content, but merely integrates successful submods. Burmanon could make one of those.';

'where's DV? we need more leaks. it seems to be the most promising submod.';

'>>1742319
>t.';

'>>1742319
Fuck off Calph everyone hates you and your mod.';

'>>1742290
meds, now.';

'>>1742389
Of course the tranny shills for big pharma. Of course it does.';

'>>1742277
>More charts for things that'll never release
Mexico is unironically extremely close to completion';

'Trannies don't get the enormous ridiculousness of conflating LGBT with an almost erotic obsession with war criminals. But what to expect from perverts?';

'>>1742290
>>1742291';

'>>1742393
The demo, not full content, right?';

'>>1742398
10 years';

'>>1742402
We're so back.';

'>>1742319
i'm more of a hv guy myself.';

'New Brazil content when?';

'>>1742447
Mid-late summer most likely.';

'>>1742290
This anon is as mentally ill as a tranny, thinking sex is detached from personality and other things. Rather than simply pointing out the delusion that is changing sex/gender (troons actually use them interchangibly when they're not concern trolling), he argues for the abolition of gender and the banishment of sex to a purely reproductive and abstract definition. The part about femboys makes it clear he's just a faggot thinking troons are taking the revolutionary agenda too far (quite the oppose actually). In practice, there is not much difference between the two. To both, sex is a secondary condition, of minimal importance in social relations and individual development, dominated by gender, its arbitrary representation in society. One wants to abolish gender entirely, the other wants to able to switch up freely between the existing ones. In this sense, trannies are actually saner, especially those who recognize a link between sex and gender, although they invert the relationship between the two by putting gender on top. This is in practice a battle between a 1st gen queer theorist (gender is a social constuct, people can and should do whatever they want), back when it was still an outgrowth of 2nd gen critical feminism through Butler et al, and a modern heretic of it (gender is a construct, but one I accept and make mine). Both belong in a labor camp, for life.';

'>>1742391
You should stick it to the trannystate by continuing to refuse your schizo meds. That's how They want get you';

'>>174246
>Both belong in a labor camp, for life.
Forgot to add, this only for white faggots. Brown ones are thrown directly into a meat grinder to be used as pig feed and fertilizer.';

'You're all retarded

T.ranny';

'>>1742528
What did he mean by this?';

'>>1742049
Trannyfag's OP 41%'d by a janny, you love to see it.';

'>>1742049
>file deleted
Based janny';

'>>1742467
good post desu senpai';

'>>1742975
top bloody kek';

'>>1742067
prophetic';

'Common Burmanon W. A Burma OP wouldn't have been a fucking disaster like this.';

'Why was OPs image deleted?';

'>>1743026
It was just a tranny flag so it was off-topic and had nothing to do with the theme of the board. In short, a TNO dev thought he was being edgy and subversive and got what he deserved.';

'>>1743050
It's in the mod thoughbeit';

'>>1743069
>thoughbeit
shut up you fucking autist
aren't you the guy who got pissed off because no one would tell him what "thoughever" or "thoughbeit" meant or how to use them, and thus got so mad you just started spamming both, then broke down and admitted to being part of a commie group on discord who posts disco elysium threads for subversion purposes?';

'>tno thread
>infested by trannies and avatarfags
accurate';

'>>1743069
If you put a porn webm into a mod for Command & Conquer and upload that porn webm here it'd still break the rules and it'd still be removed even if it was, technically, part of a strategy game.

>>1743086
in b4 the commie discord group is the TNO Discord.';

'leak more faggots';

'>>1743211
Why do you even care? It's just charts for focus trees that'll never be added and idiots like Corn boldly announcing his plans for even more reworks that'll never be finished. Last thread he talked about doing an Irkutsk and Sablin rework from scratch, and before that was that he was going to rework Sverdlovsk from scratch while also reworking the Aryan Brotherhood to remove the Hyperborea path. And the Amur rework isn't even out yet!';

'>>1743216
We're actually interested in the mod unlike you.';

'every time i open /vst/ i laugh at [FILE DELETED]
how big of a fuckup do you have to be to get your own OP deleted?
not content with being the worst hoi4 mod they must also have the worst /vst/ thread';

'>>1743268
Enjoy your t00zers reworks you'll never play you tranny faggot.';

'>>1743276
>t. ranny
>TNO is le bad because… it just is okay?';

'>>1743216
>>1743285
Nobody cares for your retarded opinion faggots';

'>>1743454
>Allow me to reply to you over and over to tell you how not mad I am about you shitting over my favorite political VN';

'>>1742319
tbf its really the only active submod.';

'>>1743619
TRO never ever...';

'>>1742049
kek';

'>>1743624
We need some TRO devs to leak their own shit desu';

'>OP troon
>Team of troons
>Thread dead
>Mod dead
>Devs will soon percent themselves
When will you fags admit troons killed the mod?';

'>>1743909
Rent free!';

'>>1743909
Most of us did quite a while back. I just hope they have the good sense of killing themselves soon and that hopefully some functional people will take things over instead of these mentally ill pedophiles. Maybe then, I can have fun with the mod again.';

'do we have any update from the england rework team ever since it's initial release back in october?';

'>>1742319
it's active because they don't need to invent any scenarios, simply pull shit from OTL wholesale';

'>>1744023
It's still in design phase iirc.';

'>>1744116
Can't wait for them to just rework that one too.
You know, like what happened with the last one.';

'>>1744176
They don't rework things on a whim. Old Britain lore was bad, this one is good. Simple as.';

'>>1744181
>New thing is released
>It's declared good
>New lead gets appointed
>Old thing is declared bad and unrealistic
>Rework declared good
Rinse and repeat.';

'>>1744183
>rework is vetoed by the other leads because it's pointless
what now?';

'>>1744186
You mean like that time Scood's reworks of all of Russia were vetoed only for different leads, Pacifica and now Corn, dropping their own plans for reworking all of Russia, none of which either of us will live to see? Or the multiple plans for reworks of all of Burgundy and France we've seen that never went anywhere? Or the Ostland reworks that never went anywhere and eventually got replaced by more reworks?

Face it, a rework being shitcanned just means that it'll be reworked from scratch by a different person later. The good and realistic Britain you celebrate today will be something you'll denounce as bad and unrealistic tomorrow when toozers for yet another rework drop.';

'>>1742467
you couldnt be more wrong.
and theres never a need to abolish gender, its just a physical characteristic, its not abstract in any possible sense of the word.
there are males and females, they are born and can never be changed, anything else is irrelevant to that fact, and there are infinite personalities, that dont require you to invent things to conform to.';

'>>1742467
Truth nuke.';

'>TNO thread
>It's just people debating trannyism';

'Dead mod';

'>tfw Finland never';

'I still don't know how to play the Aryan Brotherhood.';

'>>1744623
Maybe you can learn it when they finish reworking it from scratch in 4 years.';

'>>1744628
Sounds gay. France doesn't have any content yet they're worrying about an already cool faction and rebuilding it from scratch?';

'>>1744641
The Russia team doesn't work on France.';

'>a fucking political compass mechanic';

'>>1744643
They need to stop hiring Russians and hire people who can finish the mod. My biggest mistake was playing Guangdong first and then assuming the rest of the mod would compare to it, quality wise.';

'>>1744646
>My biggest mistake was playing Guangdong first and then assuming the rest of the mod would compare to it, quality wise.
That's what the reworks are doing.';

'Lacerda teaser. We already knew what the mechanic was about but the events are nice.';

'>>1744643
The problem is that no one is working on new content in either place and that they are, in fact, starting over from scratch in both places.

>>1744650
Most of these rework cycles have been going on for several years and predate a huge chunk of Guangdong. The sad reality of the matter is that them deleting everything and starting over, and over, and over again in every single region except for South America isn't because they're chasing the glory of Guangdong, but rather because the team's deeply dysfunctional and has been for several years.';

'>>1744652
how many years the lacerda content going to be?';

'So which of the devs do we know actually post here? Several post screenshots of their posts in Doki (while pretending not to post here).';

'Did anyone ever leak the Amur rework content?';

'For anyone wondering, Ashley is on the Campign Trail server.';

'>>1745033
>One of the last few good ones stuck in purgatory
Hope she's doing well at least.';

'>>1744955
Full content, like Adhemar.';

'>>1744197
theres no tno country that got reworked twice';

'>>1745251
>moskowien skeleton';

'>>1744463
In queer theory, gender is not physical. It is a socially constructed identity, unlike sex, which is its physical counterpart (although a gender must not necessarily have a physical counterpart). If you read that anon's post, you'd see how he attempts to separate sex from personality entirely and argues for free social expression regardless of it. In other words, he argues for abolishing gender and in doing so relegates sex to a purely private matter with nigh zero influence on real world affairs, outside of sexuality itself. And this sexuality itself is reduced to its most common denominator, XY/XX chromosomes. Unlike trannies, which recognize the existence of a feminine and a masculine gender, but think these can be obtained and, depending on the level of insanity (or rather, warped sanity), by doing so one can also change their sex, that faggot explicitly wants gender identity gone (he even calls it "sexist") and for the sexes to be able to do anything (meaning they don't do anything by themselves). If it wasn't clear, I don't believe in this crap, I'm just pointing out that posting that screencrap in response to trannies trannying around is retarded and actively makes you worse than them. Gender exists, it is almost entirely determined by physical sex, people who don't conform (the guy in the screencap)are mentally ill dysgenics, people who think they can change them (trannies) are also mentally ill dysgenics.';

'>>1745251
There are several, in fact. Most just weren't released.
Like the above anon points out, Moskowien went from its Palestine reference, to having it the one we're currently seeing in-game (which has evolved over the years) and currently it's being reworked again with fewer paths if recent leaks are to be believed.

Sverdlovsk was one that was leaked from Scood's rework batch ages ago meant to replace Yeltsin and Batov with Brezhnev, and unique to Sverd (unless I'm missing some) is that now Corn is reworking it, and the last round table leak showed that he's planning on reworking Irkutsk too on top of the recently announced Aryan Brotherhood rework.

Ostland? Had its original released form, but was planned to have an updated civil war with a dozen participants and a Jeckeln version of Huttig's devastation. This was redone and scrapped and the tag is now being reworked again to fit this week's idea of a German rework.

Poland, perhaps? All iterations that we know about have been scrapped and started over, most recently because the development imploded, with a new rework coming in a few years possibly.

France? Original version is gone, and everything Einstein worked on and is currently in-game with the civil war is going to be reworked (again).

I could go on and list many other examples, and these are just a handful that we know of based on old leaks. I'm sure there are many others that we don't know about and I'm sure that the list would've been longer if any of these actually released instead of being in dev hell before being rebooted.

tl;dr the team's dysfunctional and you should demand better of them instead of defending this kind of behavior. They literally spend years doing reboots that never go anywhere.';

'>>1744652
Is this part of the upcoming update?';

'>>1745389
Yeah this is the key mechanic for one of the paths for the update that's been said to release in June.';

'>>1745297
moskowien has been through 3 changes in game, they are working on the 4th rework now. lmfao';

'>>1745566
What do you think the fifth rework will be after they purge Foka in a year from now?';

'>>1745033
Good luck to her';

'TNO will never have kino of this level:

https://youtu.be/1a1IyxuGnWw?si=UoueI41PSeD8NjE4';

'So, how lenghty Brazil update will be? Guandong sized or akin to Ruin/Ukraine which has only a nothing burguer civil war playable and then literally nothing else (besides bullying Poland)';

'>>1745810
iirc it's 6 or 8 years of content for Lacerda, and the same for Adhemar';

'>>1745815
How many years is Guandong again?
And also, there will be anything for noteworthy to deal with? Besides Argentina getting a bit uppity?';

'>>1745839
GNG is 8 or 10 years iirc?

As far as I'm aware there's some domestic crisis stuff with the union movement with Lacerda. and there might be some proxy stuff too for them both to deal with? Ngl I don't really keep up with them as I don't know a lot about Brazil';

'>>1745810
The new Brazil content starts in 65 where the current Brazil content ends, since other anons haven't mentioned it.';

'>>1745859
Yeah I forgot to mention that. new content picks up from there and goes untill the following presidential election just as the oil crisis kicks off';

'>>1745839
>And also, there will be anything for noteworthy to deal with? Besides Argentina getting a bit uppity?
Adhemar only really has one crisis and that's surviving his coma or dying. Well I guess also the fact that his secretary gets exposed as a german spy (Suzerain reference!!11!) but that's what triggers the coma in the first place.
Lacerda has 2: Japanese race riots in Sao Paulo at the start of his path and strikes against the repeal of the varguist labor laws around 1968 or so.
And of course the oil crisis which affects both.';

'>>1745018
Anyone?';

'>>1746204
The focus trees were leaked before they were formally shown off but otherwise no.';

'>>1746210
Could you post them, please?';

'>>1746468';

'>>1746480
This just doesn't look good or realistic at all. Amur would have no chance to unify Russia in the slightest.';

'>>1746571
bad bait';

'>>1746571
Good thing TNO doesn't try to be realistic then.';

'>>1746571
>>1746575
No, this really seems like the kind of dogshit take an actual dev would give while salivating over doing another rework of a rework. It's garbage either way obviously.

>>1746579
No, they do, they just fail very badly at it.';

'>>1746589';

'>>1746592
>Rework the majority of the mod in the name of realism
>Actually realism isn't the goal
Why do devs post their own Discord comments here thinking it'll sway anyone's opinion of them?';

'Fat tranny gooners in hot pocket stained leggings...';

'>>1745389
>upcoming update
>upcoming
lmao see you next year';

'>>1742049
Burmanon is absolutely correct, this is a very interesting starting situation for a TNO country to be in, unfortunately seeing it become playable is not likely to happen at all. Very sad, but still, a cool country.';

'>>1747309
Is this a bullshit toozer or something someone made for fun?';

'>>1747348
It's the current skeleton, do you even play the mod?';

'>>1747353
I was asking if there was more to it than just posting a screenshot but thanks for indirectly answering it by being a snarky redditor, anon.';

'>>1747353
tranny snark detected, opinion discarded';

'Why is this mod deader than dead? Like is there a timeline of drama or something that led to the absolutely glacial place? I don’t keep up with discord or modder names or whatever';

'>>1747471
At least it's still alive, kinda, unlike the Frontier.';

'>>1747477
It’s “alive” like a lot of dead mods in that the machine that has developed around the mod still rumbles along unsure of why it exists but no actual fucking content is produced or finished. You see this with a lot of Bethesda mods too, a huge community springs up around the mod and progress grinds to a halt but people sit in the dicksword for years talking and teasing/leaking content that doesn’t actually exist or is grossly misrepresented, then someone checks in 5 years later and the progress bar has moved 10%. It seems to be getting worse with modding communities across all games but I haven’t figured out why, it isn’t just troons and discord drama although im sure that’s part of it, it’s way more complex than that and it doesn’t make sense how it seems to be affecting damn near every game/community now. At least total war modders seem to still finish their shit.';

'>>1747483
The mod is still being worked on, clueless-kun. You don't keep up with discord and that's why you think it's dead.';

'>>1747487
>Please join my groomer Discord and look at my toozers for things that will never release
Dead mod.';

'>>1747490
Never said that, faggot.';

'>>1747507
>You don't keep up with my groomer Discord if you did you'd know that the mod isn't dead, clueless bigot!
>I-I didn't tell people to join my groomer Discord for the latest toozers anon, i-it's a big misunderstanding...
>T-The toozers are real, j-just like my neovagina...
Dead mod.';

'>>1746571
Agreed.';

'sex with burmanon';

'>>1747644
Am I becoming Ashley 2.0 or something';

'>>1742183
>9/2 Spam
>Warrior Caste
>Strike The Arteries
>Do not attack any non-unifier
>Kill Vyatka while they are at war with Komi/WRRF
>Rite of Ascension asap get linefillers incase Samara attacks
>Kill Komi and/or the WRRF by snaking
>Let Samara walk into noncored territory while you push and take their VPs
Tbqh there's a bit more RNG than I'd like but that was my general strategy. If Samara puts you into a two front war you might wanna load a save/restart depending on your abilities but 9/2s should have enough pushing power.
>>1746480
How old is that leak by the way? Two years now?';

'>>1747747
It's from around september last year.';

'>>1746480
>>1747857
>>1747747
Just smoke and mirrors btw, a tree without effects based on the Git leaks from a while back. They do this a lot (not a TNO-exclusive problem admittedly) where they invent a fancy tree with flashy names and then bolt on effects later. That is, if it doesn't get reworked. The Jeckeln rework leak from years ago is a good example. It was a chart with a hundred focus names but nothing came of it and it was scrapped later for Ostland's tenth rework and that one didn't even get a toozer I think.';

'>>1745274
gender doesnt exist, your interests and personalities are your own, and there isnt a need to invent anything to onstrict yourself or others into some stereotype.';

'>>1747871
>Just smoke and mirrors btw, a tree without effects based on the Git leaks from a while back
This wasn't on the git leaks.';

'>>1747954
Exactly, nothing of the sort has been in any of the leaks because it's all smoke and mirrors.';

'>>1747982
Or rather because the Russia build wasn't leaked.';

'>>1748005
>Too retarded to check the MEGA with the correct branch on it';

'>>1748024
Where do you see the Russia branch?';

'>>1748025
I'm not sifting through the entire KF thread to dig it up for your lazy ass.';

'>>1748032
There's been leaks on Kiwi Farms? I'll check the thread out, thanks.';

'>>1748045
Yeah old.
Although now that you're bringing it up like this I'm starting to doubt whether I got these mixed up or not.
Either way the original claim that they put out a teaser tree without effects is probably still true given how often they do that.

Wish we had new Amur leaks that weren't fake and gay.';

'>>1748045
there hasnt been any leaks from KF lol. theyre still stuck in 2022.';

'>>1748068
I said it wasn't recent.
The thread itself has mostly stopped caring and it's mostly just a thread about general HOI4 modding last time I checked. Maybe we should take a hint instead of whining about the same shit about a dead mod every day.';

'>>1748085
I'm not the whining, but fair enough. Im mostly here to see leaks once in a while.';

'>>1748098
Meant the thread's general tone as a whole.';

'>>1748174
Panzer's old posts go hard.';

'So, asking any devs that lurk here

Is Hyperborean getting cut? I know the AB is getting reworked and Velimir is staying, but I'm getting that smug "were cutting esonaz and Burgundy, cope lol" vibe from the devs again. I'm kind of worried.

After Burgundy I figure Hyperborea would be the next target of the butthurt realists trying to stick it to the "chuds"';

'>>1748544
In the last thread or the thread before that, Corn was screenshotted saying something to the effect of "if they're upset that we're removing Deytch they'll be angry when they find out we're cutting Hyperborea". The guy will still exist but both leaders will be made "closer to their actual beliefs", which knowing the people involved means that you'll get something uninspired and boring if it actually happens. With the same rationale you could remove everything about Alexei and the clocks from Tabby and make him a generic Nazi (especially if he hides his Jewish background). It'd be more "accurate", but everything even remotely original about it would be gone in the process.

You can at least hold out some hope: it was just a throwaway comment on Discord as far as we know and even if it's true they've been talking about reworking AB since 2020 so the odds are very good that it'll never happen. And if it does, it'll take at least two years (Amur is taking more than that) so you'll probably have stopped giving a shit by then.';

'How's development for all Italies going? All 3 look pretty interesting';

'>>1748643
It's been half a decade without anything to show for it in practice. I think we can infer something from that.
Hope I'm wrong and that this is just me being blackpilled because they do look cool. I really don't trust the devs insisting that it's totally not in dev hell though.';

'>>1748643
Red Italy's first 3 leaders are the closest to release, Fash Italy had it's entire code revised so it still needs a lot of cooking, Lib Italy is in last place because its design was completely reworked.';

'>>1748681
>Revised the entire code
>Design reworked from scratch
I'll be dead and buried before this is playable. Fully expect there to eventually be a spat over Red Italy that sees them redesigned too.';

'>>1748761
Nah Red Italy already went through its redesign. Remember Cervetto? Conti? Scuderi? They were axed last year.';

'>>1748767
>The rework has already been reworked';

'>>1748184
You didn't see new one.';

'Friendly reminder the new OFN logo SUCKS.';

'>>1748802
Do you know what the new 'Leader of the Free World' icon represents?';

'>>1748802
My favorite thing about it is that screenshot where Mango admits that he just copied a discarded proposal for a NATO logo and the first response the dumb nigger got was someone telling him that it was rejected for a good reason. Takes effort to be worse than a lazily recolored black power symbol but hats off the guy made it.

>>1748791
Post if funny.';

'Has there been any new large updates since Ukraine/Britain? What justifies the existence of these threads, beyond ashleyposting and psyop-leaks?';

'>>1748930
Whining containment. The hoi4 modding thread has enough schizos and shitposters as it is.';

'>>1748930
The TNO community are basically the furries of the HOI4 community and no one wants to deal with them. This is after all infamously a community where the bronies are known as the "sane ones".

Also to answer your question: no, the mod is effectively dead, people just come here to call the devs fags.';

'>>1748955
The mod is not dead though.';

'>>1748962
It's alive in the same way Yandere Simulator and Fallout the Frontier are alive';

'>>1748965
The wait for TT was way longer than the wait between TT3 and Guangdong or the wait between Guangdong and The Ruin. If anything there's been a resurgence of activity.';

'>>1748968
Fuck off devfag stop doing damage control here you dumb nigger.
>B-B-But I'm not a trannydev...
Only a devfag or a total shill would defend the niggers that have one of the most meager release schedules in the game's history by touting that waits that are as long as the one for Kaiserreich's China update (with far less content) as an improvement and not just a sorry state of affairs. Go back to writing fanfics on TV Tropes.';

'>>1748981
>Nah. Anbennar had last patch in November. After a year of waiting.

With big mods comes great autism. With great autism comes wide tannydience. With wide trannydience comes huge problems. With huge problem comes long periods between patches.';

'>>1742049
Has any complete country been released for this shit mod since Guangdong? That was 2 years ago.';

'>>1749496
Nope and every time they make progress internal drama seems to kill things like with France or something just gets reworked for another reason. Still wouldn't be surprised if something screwed over the Brazil content.';

'>>1749507
>internal drama seems to kill things like with France
what happened?';

'>>1748968
imagine coping this badly holy kek
enjoy your dead fucking mod that can only release shit nobody asked for like Brazil, and even that is just an integrated submod.';

'>>1749564
Old France lead was banned years ago and then they scrapped everything and started over pretty much from scratch (some people still remain but with updated writing) with nu-Burgundy (the one replacing Himmler Burgundy) being deleted. In fairness the current France leaks look interesting but you'll have to forgive me if I'm not holding out much hope over the third or fourth iteration of it managing to cross the finish line without being deleted.';

'>>1749571
Old France design wasn't that good desu it had shit like Sidos forming a Latin Union with Iberia and moving the capital to Andorra before collapsing into a gorillion tags.';

'>>1749577
Sure sounds more fun than the fucking nothing we have now and the fucking nothing we'll have two years from now when the current France design is declared to be le bad and started over from scratch.';

'>>1749577
No wonder Einstein got purged, that tranny was fucking retarded';

'>>1749577
Damn post that shit if you find it, sounds SOVL KINO';

'>>1749577
>>1749617
You just know that this is a samefagging dev because only a dev would be this gleeful about content being cut.';

'>>1749695
>being a realismfag means you're a dev
God I wish that were true.';

'>>1749723
This is so fucking retarded and out of touch with the community that you might as well be Mango or Daffy.';

'>Being a TNO dev is used as an insult by the community
Where did it go so wrong, TNO dev team';

'>>1749752
Around the time when they deleted most of the original content and declared that they wanted a new fanbase instead of the one they already had.';

'>>1749756
To be fair the fanbase is quite obnoxious, both the Panzer-era one and the Reddit troon-filled one';

'Can someone leak the release date for Brazil';

'>>1749783
How on earth is anyone supposed to be able to do that? They don't know it for sure themselves.';

'>>1749783
February';

'>>1749808
OK, but which year?';

'>>1749808
>source: my ass';

'>>1748573
>Closer to their actual beliefs
Velimir is unironically one of the unifiers with views closest to otl
As for AB, never liked them. Same for Tabby, but he's fairly iconic, removing him would hurt tno identity. Reykh is actually one of the few things deserving a ground up rework.';

'>>1749932
Hey you know what would be better than deleting tags and starting over all the time? New fucking content.';

'>>1749935
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't like endless reworks, there are plenty of possible new paths for majors, interesting minors and TNO 2 is tantalising
But AB is unbelievable shit
It's not taken seriously in or out of universe, it's "I am silly": the state. It's marvel wink wink nudge nudge combined with a political cartoons. TNO writers can't into subtlety but it's especially bad there
Then, Vagner's views don't match at all. Nobody cares about irl views of Yazov/Zhdanov/Ibuka/whatever. But Dobroslav had pretty interesting views irl, turning him into a strawman is a waste.
Doesn't match any irl neo nazi group either, ideology is burgundian system with none of the charm
Lore doesn't make sense either with hyperborea. They feel like different reunifiers merged into one for no good reason
Actually, lore makes no sense, period. I can see how every reunifier (except tabby, but he's a special case) can gather support, but AB would struggle to reach quadruple digits nation wide
Don't like Heydrich, Himmler and Tabby for similar reasons, but at least later two got charm and are fairly iconic, removing them would suck.';

'>>1749943
I don't care that it's silly. It's a small statelet that won't make it past 1964 99% of the time. Them reworking it from scratch like everything else is another diversion from creating something new in the region. Remember all the new unifiers we were promised back in the day like St. George? I'd pick the alternate universe where they have a chance of happening over having AB go from being one form of silly into being a more grounded form of silly. But Corn's as stupid as his namesake so I guess we're in for another few years of no new Russia content and just endless planned reworks that never go anywhere.';

'>>1749935
The tag isn't getting deleted and if they fully rework the AB then it's completely new content we get to play.';

'>>1750105
>Delete everything in a tag
>Start over from scratch
>Spend years replacing all content with your tranny-filtered rehash of what others made
>It's a coin flip whether it's actually an improvement
>Refuse to add any new unifiers in the meantime
>"Behold, my fellow anons, new content! Now stop whining about the devs never doing anything for you!"';

'>>1750105
in like five years';

'>>1750108
>Refuse to add any new unifiers in the meantime
>he doesn't know';

'>>1750111
>Reposting the old Russia lead's leaked design document from 2022 from which nothing ended up being true
>They end up reworking Amur instead of doing anything they said he would
>Now Corn's talking about reworking Sverdlovsk and the AB instead of any of these
Thank you for agreeing with me that they're refusing to add new unifiers in favor of endless reworks and even posted an old leaked document showing their broken promises to support this notion.';

'>>1750114
You're mixing up the docs. This is the one they made after realizing the old plans were unworkable where they agree to first overhaul Amur's superregional stage as a proof of concept before moving onto other stuff.';

'>>1750115
OK but the person that wrote that is no longer in charge and his replacement is openly talking about reworking Sverdlovsk and the AB and if the last round table is true also wanted a rework of Irkutsk, so obviously it's all completely irrelevant and they're just going to keep reworking everything. Plus if it's taken them years to get around to updating Amur's superregional then I'm not brimming with confidence.';

'>>1750115
And they couldn't even do that lmao.
It's time to admit that you were lied to and that you should just let go, anon.';

'Why are redditors so obsessed with Tabby?';

'>>1750182
>Why are HOI4 players so excited about the most extreme people in every mod ever?';

'>>1750188
Yeah but it's been like 4 years, you'd think they'd grow up.';

'>>1750209
Yeah, four years without new content and Tabby remains the most interesting person in the mod to a lot of people despite being Pacifica's poorly written OC.
>grow up
Stop being a fag, fag.';

'>>1750209
sorry mango, people don't like rehashes of OTL shit done in the least inspired, most boring way possible
see: DV-A as well';

'>>1749961
It's not merely silly, it's bad. Furthermore, it's tacked on to Hyperborea, which is some great content.
>It's a small statelet that won't make it past 1964
Point conceded
>More reunifiers
If I were in charge I'd make Perm Hyperborea from day 1, then make another reunifier that's basically a rogue german officer trying to germanise russia, who I'd give AB content to
But even if it's cut fully I won't be sad as long as Hyperborea is still there
>>1750232
>>1750188
Tabby is shit and I will die on that hill';

'>>1750268
Corn wants to cut Hyperborea so have fun with that.';

'>Leave for 6 months in the hopes that there might be something added to TNO when I return
>Nothing but muh docs
Really pathetic.';

'>>1750289
Not even muh docs, it's just muh charts.';

'>>1750289
Brazil update at the end of next month';

'>>1750359
I'll believe it when I see it.';

'As a realismfag, I think the way the mod is being handled directionally (lack of updates notwithstanding) literally does not align with what the goal of fun and realism should be. Like, you will obviously get people to hate you if you remove old content and don't add anything. The way to go should be to make the unifiers you don't like (which for me are more than just AB) into guys who are player-only, like tabby. AB is there but it just is scripted to never be able to unify regionally. At least until you fix / update the content. Same take for Goring. Why remove him? Just keep him as a game rule instead of forcing people to do submods.
I think Heydrich is the best single path in the mod, but it doesn't make much sense, so just keep it player-only as it is rn. Shame that's getting gutted too. TNO has been down the drain for a while.';

'>>1750370
Adding Werbell to what you said, so obviously this is something that was at least understood by parts of the team as a concept. But yeah, they fucked it all up in the end and just removed or announced their plans to remove everything that was unique. I don't even mind the realism bullshit in theory, but it's always accompanied with years of wait with fucking nothing in between, and always at the expense of existing content, and absolutely always with a smug, condescending attitude to go along with it from the shithead dev that overtly shits on the fans for disagreeing with their take on a skimmed Wikipedo article.

If they'd gone about things more like you suggested things wouldn't be as shitty. But they didn't, sadly.';

'Quite funny how they scream and shout about realism, yet a bunch of the reworked shit doesn't make sense or they get it wrong, like Speer being le wholezome rebormist good boy nazeem, yet, BoringMann was more orthodox and open to reform irl compared to him, Himmler was always a meekish dude who has a weird thing for myths and fastical tales, he would never get the followers or the courage to coup hitler or make him a definitive candidate, sure, he got the SS, but that group was more of a hitler fan club and a morderhoboism gathering than his personnal guard.

A bunch of things in Yapan have no sense, nor does Russia, there no reason Germony, Yapan or the Us of the A wouldn't try to intervene, specially after someone big begins to form up in the region';

'>>1750488
"Realism" is when things fit the lead dev's interpretation of Wikipedia and personal biases.';

'>>1750488
They're changing every single thing you mentioned.
>Germony
Fuck off, Zenkor.';

'>>1750488
>Speer being le wholezome rebormist good boy nazeem
No longer a thing.
>BoringMann was more orthodox and open to reform irl
That's what he is in the rework.
>He would never get the followers or the courage to coup hitler or make him a definitive candidate
SS coup was retconned out of lore a long time ago.';

'>>1750490
Yeah, and it's never releasing.
>>1750502
Bormann and Speer are going to remain just that for years to come and you know it.';

'>>1750504
NuBormann was playable until the Oil Crisis last year, I have faith it will release soon.';

'>>1750505
If you were a HOI4 cabinet advisor you'd be a Naïve Optimist.';

'>>1750508
kek';

'>>1750508
Good one anon';

'>>1750502
He will be a Fuhrer candidate though, which doesn't make sense, since the civil war isn't a thing, and he doesn't have the support of anyone to get there
>But the SS!
They shouldn't support him, it's the other way around. Realistically, they wouldn't throw their lot on him, Himmler is more akin to a sponsor/advisor material for Heydrich and that's it
>They gonna flip Bormann and Speer roles
untrue, they gonna tone down their flaws, but their roles will remain the same (Status Quo Nazism/Reformist Nazism)';

'>>1750523
>They shouldn't support him, it's the other way around.
What the fuck are you talking about. He was Reichsfuhrer, second in command only to the Fuhrer when it comes to the SS, of course they'd support him. Who are they gonna support? Bormann?
>Himmler is more akin to a sponsor/advisor material for Heydrich and that's it
He was his superior, not his advisor.
>untrue, they gonna tone down their flaws, but their roles will remain the same (Status Quo Nazism/Reformist Nazism)
Bormann isn't status quo, he's a radical partificationist whose institutional reforms are more far reaching than Speers.';

'>>1750378
Yep, I think you can balance the two interests there, not necessarily counter to each other also. When four fascism paths for Italy got revealed I thought "this is never releasing" but I do actually like them, they seem fun, and aren't stupid like say Scorza was back before being deleted.
BTW, I tried joining the team right at the time Pacifica stopped being lead to present a (small) design docx, I had an idea to rework Russia, basically consolidate the existing territories into less and more longevous warlords, make Moscowien much smaller, and grant the east of current Mosk to a series of collaborators, three tags which would collapse when Germany did and trigger the whole scramble for west Russia. Samara collabs would also be moved eastwards into west Siberia, they would get cut off from Luftwaffe support and that would trigger the scramble for that area. It also better defines why west sib and west rus warlords keep to their regions. The east would be much more consolidated since its historically weaker, giving them a fighting chance. only a few factions were trimmed (like Kemerovo and AB, Omsk stays though!), and you could bring them back with existing content through game rules. Warlords start with 200m gdp and end with 100b, if they started in a stronger position and better consolidated armies they could realistically stabilize russia by tno2 and present a threat to a battered germany. Way more focuses on growing local collabs by each warlord, econ stuff, and building ties with mosk partisans so the RK basically collapses when the war starts.
A ton of other stuff I thought was interesting as well. Shame it didn't pan out. Here's hoping for good new speer and bormann content, and pikeman to get Italy right.';

'>>1750359
Real update or just a 3 years teaser?';

'>>1750711
Full content for Adhemar and Lacerda.';

'>>1750709
>The hiring pitch was a small rework of all of Russia
Only reason you weren't accepted with that terrible opening move was that Uglidoll had his own retarded ideas for doing the same thing and he cares less about gameplay than you seem to do.

Genuine advice: try to set more realistic goals for improving content without needing to rebuild everything. At least as a non-member, absolutely no one will take you on with that as your opening pitch unless you're known as a reliable person with demonstrable past achievements.';

'Moskowien mechanics and a 160 page doc on Helldorf and his subpaths.
Enjoy.
https://files.catbox.moe/mnyk0n.pdf';

'>>1750821
>>1745018
Thank you anon!
Can we please have the Amur proposal too?';

'>>1750831
https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf';

'>>1750834
I've been looking forward to this! Thank you ano-
>Rodzaevsky gets depressed and shaves his beard after a liberal suicide bomber destroys a dam
What the hell did I just read? They really spent over a year on this?';

'>>1750840
That's only if the player fucks things up enough that the Siberians revolt completely. I don't know how in character it is for Rodz but I can appreciate them trying to add more failstates in, even if having to balance between both Bolotov's coup and the protests sounds really fucking tedious.';

'>>1750821
>160 pages
nigga just make a damn focus tree, this is why you release no fucking content.';

'>>1750840
Do you think he gets a new portrait or does he just pull a Tabby and die when he shaves his beard?

>>1750921
The absolute state of this dead mod. What makes it funnier is that they're probably going to end up scrapping it and starting over too the next time there's dev in-fighting like all the other times Moskowien has been killed and started over from scratch.';

'>>1750759
I didn't present it mate! Decided to write my own setting and put more effort on stuff irl, never joined TNO. Ofc the proposal would have been theoretically presented after I joined the team with other merits. I still think its better than what is there today hence mentioned it here.';

'>>1751030
Misunderstood you initially then. Sounds like you really made the right choice in the end, good on you.';

'Reminder to all anons here to apply for the team, then you can be like the new team members and leak more documents
>>1750821
>>1750834';

'>>1751075
Do they just keep these things unsecured?';

'>>1751078
Depends on the team, some like the USA and Asia teams have access to their docs restricted.';

'The NPP will inevitably collapse in the next 2wrw update. Enjoy your OTL slop.';

'>>1751083
And yet Vote Pig leaked and we learned that America is going to fucking suck.';

'>>1751180
They locked them after the leaks lol.';

'>>1751175
TWRW is just TNO2 at this point.';

'>>1750287
Fucking why
Actually matches irl views, neo pagans had (have) following in post soviet states, intresting content. Why on earth would you remove them';

'Why they spent so much time making huge ass docs instead of..you know? Making demos to show the devs the concepts and iron out possible bugged mechanics?

The more I look into it, the more it seems as if the devs don't know how to code at all, and just write docs on their free time because they are retarded
>>1751175
What's NPP again?
>>1751184
Bretty much, it and Goering mod, hope they eventually fix the defict loop and give more fluff to the post occupation events';

'>>1751329
>the devs don't know how to code at all
many such cases.';

'>>1750359
Dafuq? Did Lacerada get major cuts b/c that's the only way that could get approved';

'>>1751231
As another anon pointed out, he's as stupid as his namesake.

>>1751329
>NPP
NPP is the National Progressive Party, the populist party in the USA. Has most funny people in it so of course the rework plan is to cut it and make everything (except for Nixon) blander.
>Why the huge docs
Probably just a passion project or autism. It's meant to male the actual work easier. You know, if it's actually laid out well (I ain't reading that lmao). Sad for things like TNO because you know it'll just get reworked due to infighting and the definition of realism changing so it was just a big waste of time.

>>1751370
Brazil team comes from the outside so they actually make content (my optimistic take, you're probably right).';

'>>1751184
TNO is like a worse Bethesda with how they rely on their fans to fix their shit.';

'>>1751175
Was working on an America "submod" which includes a pretty massive overhaul of the NPP. Not TUF although I don't really have beef with them this is my own pet project.

In a sense what 2wrw is doing is what would occur if the NPP dissolved due to an overwhelming RDC victory, leading to a shrinking of the overton window and a moderation of politics with the only thing of note is that the democrats are the conservatives and republicans are the liberals. Also the formation of the Libertarian Party for some RDC flavor and if I ever extended the timeline they'd be the "extremists" for the R-Ds if they botch the 70s.

For the NPP, the objective is to hegemonize your wing into its own "party" while the sidelined Nationalists/Progressives eventually flock to the RDC.
The Progressives being a SocDem bubble that effectively becomes a more radical version of OTL being a wholesumchungus SocDem NPP dealing with the Western/Eastern Progressive split that's been more troubling to orchestrate than I'd care to admit.
The Nationalists are more dependent on Wallace's success and method in repealing the CRA but remain as a coalition of "Jacksonians" and "Hamiltonians" where the split is in handling the economic direction of America. Leads to a lot of aisle crossing to pass legislation if you want to embolden one side specifically or a delicate balancing act if you want to remain a purist again assuming I extend the timeline.

For Yockey or Hall, the objective is to fracture the NPP and RDC leading to a 6 way election, that being the only way I could justify any of them ever sitting upon the executive. I wanted to be cute and make it explicitly "Hall vs Yockey" in the election GUI but its been a little tedious to script.

Kind of been burnt out, since the direction TNO has gone is shit and I was using TT3 as a base.';

'>>1750821
so Oktan was moved to Moskovien. Do we know who replaces him in Samara?';

'I fucking love reading docs, especially if they go very in depth in the irl lives and personality of the characters and how their government is structured. I don't get the aversion you anons have towards them.';

'>>1751478
I forget the name but it was basically someone who was basically TNO's Oktan IRL. In theory they could just have added the new portrait and done a find and replace for his name and it'd all still make sense.

>>1751486
>t. the lonely fag that writes these shitty docs hoping even his team members will read them (we won't)';

'>>1751494
No I genuinely enjoy them. Is it that weird?';

'>>1751496
Yes.';

'>>1751498
Well I don't know why, reading history is fun.';

'>>1751505
I hate to break it to you, anon, but you're not reading about history, you're reading the political fanfiction of an autistic man pretending to be an autistic woman.';

'>>1751506
That's true but I specifically pointed out that the part I enjoy the most is the historical research part which is devoid of that fanfiction. Like the Anatomy of the Reich doc.';

'>>1751508
>historical research
It's just Redditor midwits skimming Wikipedia and then acting like they're geniuses while circle jerking about whose take is the most "realistic".';

'>>1751514
Anon they literally cite sources at the end of the docs.';

'>>1751519
>But anon they listed the titles things they pretended to read
Childlike innocence.';

'>>1751526
How do you explain cases like the Himmler research doc which explicitely cites sections of Himmler's biography, then?';

'>>1751543
The fact that the current in-game Himmler acts like an edgy teenager's version of Cobra Commander and the fact that rework Himmler isn't releasing in my lifetime so whatever it is it's most likely just complete bullshit and you got duper by a toozer mod.';

'>>1751546
Honestly I don't care if it realeases or not I just want to learn more to make my own headcanons as close as possible to TNO's lore.';

'>>1751548
>t. the lonely fag that writes these shitty docs hoping even his team members will read them (we won't) and doesn't even care if it ever gets released (it never will)';

'>>1751562
I'm not a part of the team, let alone a designer. If I were I wouldn't be here begging for leaks. Think, anon, think.';

'>>1751564
>Cares about the devs fanfics
>Doesn't care if the mod ever updates again
Devfag of a dead mod.';

'>>1751570
>Cares about the devs fanfics
>Doesn't care if the mod ever updates again
Yes fans like me or Thrawn who are only interested in the lore but don't play exist, you know?';

'>>1751579
Yeah people who are only interested in the "lore" and never booted up HOI4 in their entire life exist and people like Mangroomer, Daffy and many other lead devs fit that bill.';

'>>1751548
This is redditor behavior, go write your carpet muncher HMMLR fanfic and wholesome shukshin circlejerk post and AAR report with r/im14andthisisdeep edgelord quotes on the reddit';

'>>1751409
>how they rely on their fans to fix their shit.
That describes Paraslop exactly';

'>>1751635
Bad strawman. I hate Shukshin and 2WRW and don't care about plebbit. My headcanons are for my own enjoyment, not upboats.';

'>>1751653
Not a strawman and seeing as you don't play the mod and contribute nothing to the community you'd be completely ignored in an ideal world. Instead, you're effectively being able to pass for a lead dev with how out of touch you are with the people that actually enjoy playing HOI4 and the way that you don't give a shit if the mod ever updates again as long as you can jerk off to lore toozers.

God, how I regret ever having hope for this shitshow.';

'>>1751589
I swear a new lead dev pops up every 4 weeks, who tf is daffy?';

'>>1751679
Art lead or something since a while back. Actually pretty harmless and not a bad person but he barely plays or understands the actual game at all which is probably why the earlier anon mentioned him.';

'Is The New Russia doc up to date, or have the devs changed the lore again? Any new revisions?';

'>>1751700
Completely out of date and the person that wrote it is no longer in charge. None of the new unifiers are happening at least not in the coming years and since Corn took over they've pivoted to planning even more reworks of already functional tags that weren't mentioned in any of these earlier documents (Sverdlovsk most notably). About the only thing that's actually happening is the Amur rework. You can read its leaked proposal here:
>>1750834
But that's in dev hell so who knows. Everything else has either been revised, isn't happening in our lifetime or was just bullshit to begin with.';

'>>1751709
Thanks anon';

'>>1751684
Oh lol, I thought he couped someone or smth. But if he just does art, does the game actually matter or am I missing something';

'>>1751734
Not that much in this case ig, I think the earlier anon was just making the point that a lot of people that don't play the mod are at the helm of the ship.';

'>>1751175
Good, the NPP existing and staying alive for 16+ years is one of the most impossibly retarded pieces of Panzerlore, the least i have to see it the better';

'>>1751793
Go away Mangroomer no one likes Vote Pig.';

'>>1751795
Go play PR if you love slop so much pedo';

'>>1751801
Does it really hurt you that much to know that Panzer's drunken shitpost from a bad roleplay was more creative and resonated with more people than your generic rehash of historical events ever will? Sucks to suck I guess.';

'>>1751803
Nah it was troony sloop and all the flack the zoophiles involved got was deserved';

'>>1751871
Thanks for admitting that you're even worse at this than a bunch of tranny zoophiles, I'm sure you must be proud of yourself.';

'>>1751653
Why Shukshin hate? He looks like a positive dwarf but doesn't seem as bad. I was planning to play him next since he has the most 2wrw content
>>1751709
Why would they turn Batov into a generic communist? Like, I don't mind realism but getting all TNO characters to match their irl views would require them to redo like 70% of the mod.
Only ones deserving a rework are Heydrich and Vagner imho, and even then that shouldn't be the priority';

'>>1751944
>Why Shukshin hate?
His path is a shameless russian power fantasy. All of 2wrw is.';

'>>1751946
>His path is a shameless russian power fantasy. All of 2wrw is.
It's not that, it's just a poorly written non-communist Sablin, there's even some random ass event about a lesbian Latvian couple just to show how wholesome chungus he is';

'>>1751951
He can build a wholesome chungus democracy in a couple years, annex everything up to Poland and go to space. If that's not wank, then you tell me what is.';

'>>1751951
Wtf, isn't he a conservative? Why is he legalising faggots in 70s Russia?
>>1751953
Doesn't every unifier annex everything up to Poland, if played well enough?
Also damn, now I wish they'd given Shukshin treatment to some other, more interesting unifier';

'>>1751958
>Doesn't every unifier annex everything up to Poland, if played well enough?
Yeah, it's a problem that applies to every warlord.';

'>>1751976
Honestly it's "fine", you can murderhobo your way through your regions in all mods, even the more grounded ones, like KR

The warlords are the one of the most interesting tags, because you DO something besides poking into focus tree and reading nothingburger loop. Sure they lack content and the timegates suck ass (A GDP lock or a stability/war support check should be better), but they are fun! You fight people, rebuild the country and see the social and economic factors slowly improve. They just need to give them more fluff and content, and that would be fine';

'>>1751871
>pic
I see your pedo mind is still mad at TNO after all these years';

'>>1751944
Batov isn't going to remain a generic communist. The rework is planned to have him start off with a "not so red Army" theme like now but the arc will sandpaper off the redness until you're just a generic military dictatorship. One route, Yeltsin gone, all railroaded by the sound of things. My only hope is that it's dead in the water like most reworks and that it doesn't leave the planning stage. Otherwise we're looking at years of work in the name of cutting down content and making it more uninspired for a tag that honestly already works well enough.

Corn really is as dumb as a bag of popcorn.';

'>>1752062
>removing the redness
gay';

'Reddit is having a meltdown over this>>1751175
Imagine the shitshow when Vote Pig gets officially revealed.';

'>>1749577
>it had shit like Sidos forming a Latin Union with Iberia and moving the capital to Andorra before collapsing into a gorillion tags
VGH, why do the devs hate kino like this?';

'>>1752062
I thought they were putting gorbachev in sverdlovsk as the yeltsin replacement';

'>>1752260
They're both just being cut outright. Assuming the reworks even happen that is. Sverd had at least one past rework that we know of that was scrapped and Moskowien gets scrapped every year or so.

>>1752250
"Hello this is our USA rework: the only original content in TNO's version of America is gone. You're welcome."
Winning pitch to the community right there, they sure know how to read the room.';

'>>1752264
>They're both just being cut outright.
Post proof.';

'>>1751976
I don't see much of a problem with that-2wrw is a fairly logical conclusion for half the warlords and getting baltics isn't easy
>>1752062
In theory, the story could be interesting as communist trappings are sanded off by hardships of reunifaction and preparation for inevitable confrontation with Germany, eventually turning him similar to Yazov
Problem is that TNO writing is about as subtle as hypersonic anvil and Batov was fairly interesting already. Even if they decided it was a good thing they could have added it as a separate path, without removing the old one';

'>>1752308
A war-torn shithole like Russia should only barely be able to get Moskowien.';

'>>1752273
It was from Discord leaks that you can find in the other threads if they're still archived. Moskowien was cut down over scope reasons with half the paths cut (Gorbachev and Kaminsky I think), and Batov being the only route being focused on in Sverd because it was a stronger narrative to go with by itself without Yeltsin derailing the whole thing (or Corn just not caring if you don't want to be charitable).

Wouldn't bet on either happening given their success rate so I wouldn't get worked up about either.

>>1752309
>Plays an alt history mod about the unlikely scenario of an Axis victory
>Wants to ban any unlikely win scenario by an underdog in a war
Every single time with these autists.';

'>>1752315
Gorb was replaced with Oktan and I can't find the leak that says Kaminski is cut.';

'>>1752309
>A war torn shithole like China shouldn't be able to stalemate US, devs remove Korean war plz
>>1752320
>Gorb was replaced with Oktan
Okay, but why
Is it slightly more realistic? Possibly
But is it fucking worth other areas not getting new content?';

'>>1752328
Korean war?';

'>>1752328
>Is it worth it
No obviously not and there is nothing to look forward to.';

'>>1752328
It's not about realism, it's about making sense. Gorb being a nazi collaborator is absolutely nonsensical and was only there because Pacifica thought he was hot.';

'So why are you faggots even bother to still talk/play this mod if you hate it so much anyway?';

'>>1752328
Korea was a way smaller theater and the US wasn't even fully commited. We're talking about a Total War against a Germany that is a global superpower.';

'>>1752328
>wdym the PRC invading Japan and continental US is a nonsensical outcome of the korean war?';

'>>1750821
Nigga this is insane but I'm autistic so I read 1/3 of this stuff, Helldorf seems actually fun to play not gonna lie, hope they haven't reworked him for like the 3rd time lol';

'>>1752339
No one hates you more passionately than a lapsed fan and these people decided to actively alienate their entire original fanbase.

>>1752342
>>1752345
"No fun allowed on my watch!"

>>1752348
Knowing these people I wouldn't bet on this ever releasing.';

'>>1752351
>generic Russiawank no.56386
>fun';

'>>1752352
Imagine being such a bitter cunt that you go around telling people what they can and can't think is fun in a map painting simulator.';

'>>1752356
That's exactly what you're doing. Who are you to tell me such blatant wank is fun?';

'>>1752309
We're conscripting you Corn, start running';

'>>1752358
That's the complete opposite of what I'm doing you dumb nigger. It's fun to me and a lot of other people which is why we're telling you that we think it's fun and that we enjoy occasionally playing routes that allow us to map paint hard. If you don't like it, you can still play American content or the content for all the other tags in TNO that are just screensavers. The difference between you and me is that while I'm fine with you looking at paint dry, you get mad and want to remove every trace of everything that doesn't fit perfectly into your idea of fun from the mod.';

'>>1752361
I know that they conscript downies, but I think their standards are still too high to use Corn as cannon fodder.';

'>>1752365
Problem with that is that you're ignoring the tone and theme of the mod. What's the point of a Cold War if Russia can just heroically march West and toppe the nazi regime?';

'>>1752368
I don't think Bresident Zelensky is in position of being picky about recruits, Corn should feel honored to have slowed down the ruZZian orcs by a few minutes';

'>>1752369
What's the point of a cold war if China can defeat Japan and it's colonies in the Great Asian War?';

'>>1752369
Because the Cold War going hot is a fun hypothetical to play out and I enjoy the challenge of beating the odds. Stop being such a joyless fag, things that you don't like can coexist with the things you like.';

'>>1752370
>a few minutes
>it's exclusively because they used his fat ass as a road block and no tank in existence could surmount it';

'Me sleeping peacefully knowing that ukrainians will never be able to ruin the 2WRW because they're never gonna update this fucking mod again';

'>>1752371
Japan is still a superpower even if it loses China. This was confirmed by the devs.';

'>>1752379
YWNBAW.';

'>>1752379
Germany will be a superpower too even if they lose Poland then, quit crying';

'undefined';

'>>1752408
Not in 2wrw. In that submod Germany collapses into a civil war.';

'>>1752416
>Uwaaaah if the player chooses to go for a maximalist victory instead of accepting any of the other peace deals acceptable they can totally destroy Germany';

'>>1752411
I vaguely remember seing an updated version of this with some factions replaced, some new factions, some updated descriptions and different popularities but i cant find it anywhere';

'>>1752420
Again, the problem is a maximalist victory being possible at all.';

'>>1752425
there isn't any';

'>>1752428
Nta but I also remember a version that included us.';

'>>1752427
Nah the problem is that you haven't 41%'d yourself.';

'>>1752430
on discord?';

'>>1752434
I think it was here but I'm not completely sure.';

'>>1752411
>>1752425
>>1752428
Here it is
>>1752430
This one doesn't include 4chan but the person who made it mentioned that maybe he should include us';

'>>1752411
>>1752439
Holy mother of autism';

'>>1752439
Friendship ended with Ewatta, now Big Weld is my favorite boogeyman.';

'More Yugoslav worldbuilding theorycraft autism.
>partisan takeover Croatia collapses because Tito finally rolls snake eyes and gets shot, causing a committee of Croatian partisan leaders to run the country with Bosnia reasserting its independence in the chaos
>if all the Yugoslav countries align, there could be a conference to federalise into one big Yugoslavia in the later half of the game
>due to the last several decades of seething hatred at each other, the conference should be very difficult but not impossible to get the best ending as you have to manage popular sentiment with formal negotiations, none of the countries wants to be seen as selling out to the others as well as having foreign agents meddling like the Abwehr fermenting division between the peoples or Red Italy spreading pro unification propaganda
>outcomes would be either full federalisation, the countries growing closer but not joining together due to backlash with the understanding that they might in the very long term as time heals the people's wounds, a partnership that has them separate but equal, and complete failure that further stokes division between the countries with the middle two being the most likely outcomes if all the countries are AI
This is a lot more vague as my knowledge of Partisan groups and leaders in Yugoslavia is thin but I think there's an interesting narrative to be made of how a partisan Yugoslavia could function without Tito, though it would likely face a lot of backlash for seemingly killing off another character that's a fan favourite.';

'>>1752374
Apparently Battle on the Ice was planned for the end of last year. It has never been more over than it is now. I think TNO is unironically a cursed mod, while on average TNO content is more difficult to produce there is no explanation for a year between each update';

'>>1752453
Where is the France dev clique and Corn/Ugli clique and Yugo clique?';

'>>1752454
Why would any non-Red Italy not invade Croatia once it collapses? And what's the role of Turkey on all of this?';

'>>1752458
Not sure when the France clique appeared but the image is 6 months old so it might have been made before the clique';

'>>1752365
The problem is not that mongoloid idiots are enjoying themselves, it's that the TNO devs are incapable of producing anything that isn't generic ruswank, and that's being charitable.';

'>>1752462
You mean the 2wrw devs. TNO is focused on making Russia the underdog with no possibility of total victory over Germany.';

'>>1752464
He's not really focused on anything other than making rework documents that he'll never deliver on.';

'So they're changing:
Tomsk, Sverdlovsk, Buryatia, Irkutsk, Novosibirsk, Vyatka,
Adding:
ACC
And making it so TNO 2WRW only has Russia reclaim moskowien and north caucasus?';

'>>1752470
And the Aryan Brotherhood. There was also a proposal to replace Dirlewanger for a NatRev fascist russian unifier and another about giving content to the Order of St George (with Men as a subpath) but idk if they were scrapped.';

'>>1752470
You're forgetting Amur.';

'>>1752470
ACC is the Onega rework that they've been shitposting about since 2021. What have they said about Tomsk, NovoSib and Vyatka? If it's just Scood's old documents that leaked here then you might as well give up. Also
>TNO
>Adding TNO2 content
>While they're reworking all their 60s content
Good one.

>>1752472
Everyone that was working on nu-Orsk has left the team and the talk about a St. George update has been around since 2020 and has never materialized into anything.';

'>>1752459
This is assuming Red Italy is in play, of course if Dem or Fascist Italy are in charge then Croatia gets invaded and a government that's friendly to them is installed.
I don't know about the extent of Turkey's response to this as I think the Partisans might be a little more respectful towards the Bosniaks than the other groups, but they might ask the countries to enshrine freedom of religion rather than enforcing state atheism to protect them further along with talking to Red Italy about it.
I need to read more sources before thinking on this further to get an idea of how the different groups would all interact.';

'The mod needs more Germany wank.';

'>>1752335
>Gorby
>Hot
Jesus fucking Christ
Does being a nazi collaborator make him more attractive or what
Also didn't Pacifica or Panzer have a crush on Suslov
Also like two thirds of Russia and Germany are out of character, but redoing them is a herculean task for a marginal reward
>>1752342
China wasn't as commited as a hypothetical Russia in 2wrw, Russia can have a better leader than Mao, Germany is in a far worse position than US, UN troops didn't have to deal with the logistical nightmare that supplying troops through rks would be and Russia might get more support from US and/or Japan than norks and chinks got from USSR. Victory is far from impossible, although definitely not assured either
>>1752345
You can't invade Germany proper without nuclear war
>>1752369
First of all, the mod isn't an OTL rehash
Second of all to topple you need total victory and (I think) Borman to win gcw. I messed around with console commands and liberal speer doesn't collapse even after total victory
>>1752416
See above. Germany collapse only in very specific conditions';

'GrobsGermania has risen, millions must VGH.';

'>>1752498
meant for
>>1752492';

'>>1752498
They're going to make this possible considering how many loser EUfaggots are in the team now while Russia will only be able to get the caucasus max';

'>>1752506
As the Fuhrer intended.';

'Reminder than in Moskow there's a nazified palace of the soviets with a huge ass statue of Hitler at the top sieg heiling the sky. They NEED to make that a 3d asset monument on the map.';

'>>1752518
Big Building in Neu Moskau (Novaya Moskva)';

'>>1752439
where did you get this?';

'>>1752439
>Knightess
kys tranny';

'>the troon is unironically using the word "chud"';

'>>1752880
this guy's comments are so shit they come off as parodies of reddit comments
zero self awareness';

'>>1752880
>the community is still having autistic debates about free france
Once again, I'm convinced that all the pointless discussion on mundane bullshit like Free France vs PALF is a psyop by the devs to get the community to stop talking about the drought of content.';

'>>1752886
of course it is, weld is the one who started all the discussion on it after all';

'Why is TNO Project Restoration run by such autists';

'>>1752891';

'>>1752891
Apparently 2WRW is involved with this shitshow too, instead of releasing Omsk';

'>>1752883
>YIPPIE!!!!! NEW DV TEASER!!!!!!! YIPPIE!!!!';

'>>1752365
that burning tank is Russian though why does it have a Ukrainian flag?';

'kino...';

'>>1752897
How can you tell the difference? They both use post-Soviet equipment.';

'>>1752891
>>1752893
>>1752894
>take these screenshots from the KF thread
>leave out the screenshot proving that these people are just kids playing pretend
It's only real in their heads and the mod was dead before it even launched because it's made by autistic children that are somehow dumber than the actual TNO devs.

>>1752880
Still can't believe this isn't a /pol/ parody account.

>>1752897
>why does a former Soviet state use Soviet military equipment
Boggles the mind.';

'>>1752721
Someone posted it on discord on early December six months ago';

'>>1752899
So this is le epic Tomsk rework I’ve heard so much about, Corn I kneel';

'>>1753176
It only took 2 years to make.';

'>>1753176
>>1752925
Wait, that was an actual toozer? It looks just like any old Tomsk tree. Is Corn really just randomly reworking all functional content at this point?';

'>>1753200
Meant for >>1752899 but I'm a retard and misclicked.';

'>>1753200
It's a submod that gives content to post-midnight Tomsk, it has nothing to do with Corn.';

'>>1753204
Oh thank God, that's actually cool then, I'm all for new content. I was worried that Tomsk was also going to be scrapped and reworked from nothing like everything else that guy touches.';

'>>1753206
The submod is dead, that pic was a tooser from 2 years ago. Sorry, anon.';

'>>1752880
The troon strikes again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1coy58k/why_tno_doesnt_have_realism/';

'>>1753206
Tomsk is being reworked tho, Corn admitted this. It isn't the same as the old rework.';

'>>1753214
Sad.

>>1753215
The distinctly male face of TNO's realism shills, everyone.

>>1753226
>Reworking Tomsk, Amur, Irkutsk, Aryan Brotherhood, Sverdlovsk, fucking everything
It's like a parody of TNO's rework culture at this point.';

'>Corn gonna stealthy remove Tabby

It was revelead to me through a dreamscape project by Panzer, keep watch

-B';

'>>1753289
He's enough of a retard to actually do it.';

'>>1753296
It will go as well as Frederick Pacifica Wakeman's attempt to remove Berezniki';

'>>1753298
So are you saying that he'll succeed eventually and that Paradox will hire him? I think I prefer the timeline where Zelensky drafts him and he gets a drone in his fat skull.';

'>>1753289
God, I wish. Hopefully that'll get rid of the stupid 14yo who think his path is the coolest shit ever.';

'>>1753308
Stop posting here ScareSith it's bad enough that you're the worst shitstain on Reddit you don't have to be the biggest shitfucker on /vst/ too.';

'>>1753298
I don't know anon, getting it removed and landing a job at Paradox sounds like a pretty good deal to me';

'>>1752886
>>1752889
oh god are losers on the reddit still talking about that';

'>>1753318
Real question, is scaresith a real person or is it a troll or dev shill account, how does someone consistently make such god awful posts';

'>>1753438
It has to be a troll';

'Say what you want about Scaresith but at least they provide sound arguments in their posts instead of resorting to fallacies like most of yall do.';

'>>1753641
Given how even Reddit hates the guy's posts this has to either be Scaresith or one of the literal tranny jannies he keeps defending.';

'>>1753641
>they
It's a man, you're supposed to use he
>yall
*You all';

'Someone explain to me how Nazi Germany collapsing, leading to a gigantic civil war with millions of people dead, the implications of stolen nuclear weapons by more extreme factions and a gigantic humanitarian crisis that will require America to intervene and send troops over is somehow the better choice compared to Speer.';

'>>1753905
It's not but it's still fun to play it out. Most of us don't play because we want to LARP the world we want, we play because we want to experience interesting stories. Speer is still fun to play though.';

'>>1753905
Whoever said that is retarded.';

'>>1753905
Anyone who says that can fuck off back to r/DerScheisser and r/NonCredibleDefense';

'>Antagonize your fanbase
>Remove stuff in preparation for stuff that'll never come
>Delete comments who go against the sheep
>Constantly change your game, making submods impossible
>All submods have to follow the "realism", or "why everything has to 500 pages worth of events to make me care"
>Updates are half baked or game breaking
>Still high off their initial release, done by different people
>Still believe to be better than Kaiserreich and other mods who've shown more progress than The Next Orifice
>Remove the original atmosphere of the mod in favor of...Realism
>Antagonize the dude that's been making music for you, who also advertised the mod for free.
Who defends this? Hell, how did this get it's on thread?

>>1753641
>Majority of the fan base realizes the mod has been trainwrecked by discord faggots based on the developers actions
>have to resort to coping with paragraphs of text when they could acknowledge their fuck ups (Well, it's unrealistic because x,y,z, and that's why we can't have fun, enjoy it, chud!)
>Or just call them dicks and delete their comment, like any sane tranny would.
cool.';

'>>1754214
>Who defends this?
Picrel.
>Hell, how did this get it's on thread?
Containment thread. TNO has lots of bitter lapsed fans that will let their hatred for the current devs shit up other threads (understandable reaction tbf), whereas TNO devs and apologists are basically the furries of /vst/ and no one wants them.';

'>>1754214
>All submods have to follow the "realism", or "why everything has to 500 pages worth of events to make me care"
This isn't true, though. Most submods are unrealistic.';

'>>1754238
Missing the point. It refers to how they treat those that aren't like shit. Like how they forced that Dutch mod to be reworked and how they attack at worst or at least talk down to mods that just want to do their own thing.';

'>>1754262
>Like how they forced that Dutch mod to be reworked
I'm pretty sure that's was Five's own decision. His goal is to get integrated so that's why he remade some parts of the mod to meet TNO standards.
>how they attack at worst or at least talk down to mods that just want to do their own thing.
When did that happen? Afaik they have good relations with even wacky submods like Berezniki or Times of Troubles.';

'>>1754265
>Other submods than Goring and WW2

Wut? Do tell';

'>>1754281
The Berezniki submod (Tsar and Soviets) restores the Mladorossi as a playable warlord and adds content up to the 70s including war with Germany. It's also adding content to Vorkuta I think.
Times of Trouble is a (yet to release) total conversion submod which I can only describe as the most random assortment of warlords you could ever imagine thrown into the Russian anarchy. From wackos you'd find on mods like Red Flood or Twilight of the Anthropocene (it has Khlebnikov and computer Kosygin) to shit like Yakuza, Rome, photorealistic AI generated anime girls... I don't even know what it's supposed to be about.';

'>>1754287
Yes, I'm not kidding about the Rome part.';

'>>1754265
>His goal is to get integrated so that's why he remade some parts of the mod to meet TNO standards
Yeah, after they told him to. Had screenshots about it earlier, so knowing how those things go it'll never come out because he'll just be told to rework everything over and over.
>When did that happen?
Göring in general, Corn constantly seething about 2WRW, etc.';

'>>1754298
Yeah but he didn't have to change anything if he just wanted to do his submod, but he wants it integrated, it wasn't a threat.';

'>>1754287
>>1754288
Speaking about wacky, extremely fictional add-ons, you reminded of the GFL mod which adds Kruger as a playable warlord with the T Doll tech.

Shame it's stuck in dev hell';

'>>1754298
First, how much has been reworked that we actually know about? How much was lost of the whacky corpostate? Second, can you show those screenshots of the HV team being forced to rework things?';

'>>1754734
It was in the last thread and should be in the archives. The problem is that their statements contradict one another. The official statement on them reworking the thing is that there wasn't much that needed to be changed, but everything prior to that was about them having made lots of progress on what they did before and that things were going well.

So yeah you can fully trust them if you want and take everything at face value but since TNO development in general is an absolute mess I think I'm well within my right to not be charitable when judging these things. As far as I'm concerned, I believe that their earlier statements weren't lies, and that they effectively had to throw away all progress made on their original setting in order to get something blander for the lofty dream of integration.';

'>>1752062
Batov is fine. He represents the role of a non-political military dictatorship and somewhat the idea of a benevolent dictatorship too. Fitting with TNO Russia's theme of unique ideologies ruling warlord states.
If anyone needed a rework it was Yeltsin, since his path wasn't as interesting as doing a democratic path in Komi or Tomsk or even Magadan.';

'>>1752464
TNO, the base game, will never reach TNO2, the 2ndWRW is only going to be through a submod.
With how pitifully slow the TNO team is to make any update - regardless of how irrelevant or small - and with how the dev teams want to rework everything and never push for new content, they won't get to make the 2nd WRW before HOI5 comes out and production is shifted, or the mod collapses entirely';

'>>1754922
It's funny, because the leaked Yeltsin content was pretty cool. He'd be able to pick just about any sane ideology and would be able to do a lot of crazy stuff depending on who he aligned with. The shitty part was that the dumb tranny that wrote it also wanted to move him to Novosibirsk which everyone on the team hated.

Still, wish they'd updated his Sverd path with something like it. Could've been fun. But leave it to the TNO team to pick the people that need reworks the most and then declare that these are the priority targets for reworks that delete literally everything and start over from scratch.

I'm officially on team "I hope Corn gets drafted" and I hope you are as well.';

'>>1752899
This is just the Komi path but with Tomsk smeared over it.
And the old tree, from fucking 6 years ago, was actually more unique and flavorful';

'>>1754932
Blud thinks this is the rework.';

'>>1754950
t. non white ESLoid';

'>>1754950
Cringe, this website is for 18+ only.
>>1754978
You Will Never Be A White Man and seething at troons like a spastic will never change that.';

'>>1754981
Not an ESL. Just don't like your kind. Nobody of sound mind should.';

'>>1754989
Don't mind him, some of the TNO trannies use "ESL" as a generic insult, think of it as an unironic stand-in for "chud" and treat it about as seriously as you'd treat a fag using "chud" as if anyone in the world took it seriously.';

'The absolute state of TNO development gets more disappointing the more I look at it';

'>>1754985
>>1754989
cryptotranny samefag';

'>>1755303
>Trannydev gets called a tranny by normal people
>"Uhm no uh ur the tranny!!"
The only thing about you that's remotely female is that you can't banter for shit.';

'Remember when we called them shills instead of trannydevs? Good times.';

'>>1755319
>>1755311
>>1755303
>>1755244
>>1755175
>>1754989
>>1754985
>>1754981
>>1754978
>>1754970
>>1754950
all me btw';

'>>1755322
No. It's me.';

'>>1755319
They get called trannydevs because several devs and at least one of the moderators comes here and then posts about the encounters that they "just happened to observe" in their dev Discord server. As a result people generally assume that anyone that agrees with the devs is a dev and it's their own damn fault for creating this kind of team culture in the first place.

And then they have the gall to wonder why the rest of the community looks down on them.';

'>>1755326
Yeah it's pretty annoying because the moment you say something remotely positive about the mod or even call out misinformation you get called a dev, effectively shutting down any kind of discussion and turning this place into an echo chamber where we can only whine.';

'>>1755334
That's what happens though when several of the devs actually do come to these threads and stir shit with the locals on the board. You don't see the same complete hostility towards any of the other mods or leaks for that matter with anyone else. Doesn't help that they ban damn near anyone that disagrees with them on their own servers either.';

'>>1755334
> turning this place into an echo chamber where we can only whine
This place is in fact echo chamber, not for us, but for trannydevs like you. The moment someone says something critical about this shitfest of a mod trannydevs and their cocksuckers will jump on him and try to argue using discord talking points. You never say anything important, all you do is lick devs asshole and then wonder why people call you a trannydev';

'>>1754287
time of trouble imploded and deleted their discord. Mods dead Jim.';

'>>1755462
>Mod dies
>Still updates as frequently as TNO
>Has an identical toozer-to-content ratio (at least the toozers were interesting and unique)
>Has a higher net gain in content by not adding anything instead of constantly removing and reworking everything
Really makes you think.';

'So I'm playing TNO for the first time, as the US. I'm asking this with no hint of hyperbole. I'm not trying to troll. Is the writing meant to evoke a sort of socialist world view? All the game events seem to lead toward this outcome where "right-thinking" progressives prevail and the heckin' bad guys lose no matter what. I'm not even talking about the democratic-communist alliance of convenience against autocrats and fascist states. Moreso that domestic US politics and the figures portrayed in it are such departures from their real life personas that they feel like fan fiction. I had no idea that there was even such a thing as a Kenedy-boo.';

'>>1755403
>trannydevs
>trannydevs
>cocksuckers
>lick devs asshole
>trannydev
Are you mentally ill?';

'>>1755472
Mixed. Some of it is, but a lot of it is due to the people making it being tone deaf and bad at writing. They have actually done internal polls on dev team beliefs ("which in-game ideology is most like yours?") and most members are left of center by a large margin and when someone was openly conservative like Matsuo they'd get shit on a lot.

Fun trivia: early polls mostly got troll answers with tons just responding "BurgSys" until they removed all "bad" answers lmao.';

'>>1754929
>I hope Corn gets drafted
Is Corn actually Ukrainian? Could he get conscripted by Zelensky?';

'>>1754929
>>1755516
Pretty sure Corn is american, you could hear him talk in the Ukraine stream.';

'>>1755516
It's a meme/wishful thinking because he was the Ukraine lead. The anons are right though, he would do more good for the mod if he was stuck being shelled in a trench since at least then he wouldn't be able to ruin any more tags with his endless reworks.';

'>>1755481
>Tone deaf and bad at writing
You're right, that's definitely part of it. There are so many storylets that pop up and seem to have no meaning or impact beyond flavor, but the flavor of them is... bland. I chalked it up to the mod team being international and therefore sort of lacking in the use of idiom or authentic voice in their writing when it's translated to English.

Again, this mod seems like a huge project and I don't know a lot about it so I don't want to be overly critical. Seems like there's as much lore for the dev team as there is for all the little digital war criminals in the game itself. I'm just a thirty year old boomer trying to suspend my disbelief.

Fuck it, if nothing else I got to machinegun japs with Hueys in Myanmar. That was neat.';

'>>1755481
>>1755605
You also have to keep in mind America is one of the oldest content in the mod, so it's natural that its writing is of lower quality. Hart's events which are much newer are great in comparison.';

'>>1755606
>hart
>good writing
walkable cities and lib wish fulfillment bullshit that aged poorly the instant the shilling campaign for walkable cities ended';

'>>1755608
I'm talking about the overall quality of the events, not the theme of his path.';

'>>1755606
>>1755610
>Person complains about the theme feeling forced
>Another anon points out that the forced theme is the same in the newer stuff
>"Yeah but it's better."
The absolute state of TNO's apologists.';

'>>1755651
Again, I'm not talking about the theme. What I mean is that the plot and writing of Hart's events has improved a lot compared to the other presidents. And with that I also mean stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the walkable cities stuff, like Kissinger's chain, so don't try to make the discussion about that.';

'>>1755661
The discussion is about TNO being heavy handed about its political messaging, intentionally or not. Which it still is, even if it's not as rushed these days.';

'>>1755673
That's true, but it's not like all events are like that (and those that don't are the best imo).';

'russians are niggers and unworthy of humane treatment anywhere';

'>>1755685
Chill, Bormann.';

'Another great schizo babble thread. Keep it up guys.';

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'>>1755781
Wrong borders, Albania owns Kosovo in TNO.';

'>>1755784';

'>>1755786
Another inaccurate map.
Bolivia doesn't.own Santa Cruz in TNO. Paraguay won the Chaco Wars.';

'>>1755685
Go back, iPhone tranny';

'>>1755810
you will never be white';

'>>1755830
Ukraine will never win';

'>>1755830
Imagine wanting to be white in 2024 lmao';

'>>1755830
>t. spic';

'>Ukraine will never win
>Imagine wanting to be white in 2024 lmao
>t.spic';

'>1755840
nice self portrait you got there';

'>nice self portrait you got there';

'>>1755840
You're a retard who thinks the modern US government is going to machine gun migrants to death.
>muh ethnostate
Have you even looked at the latest census? Have you looked out your window?';

'>You're a retard who thinks the modern US government is going to machine gun migrants to death.
>>muh ethnostate
>Have you even looked at the latest census? Have you looked out your window?';

'Stop derailing the thread you retards.';

'>>1755867
This is the politics and tranny containment thread though, isn't it?';

'>>1755867
The iPhone tranny is a dev derailing the thread to prevent further criticism and leaks of the mod';

'>>1755872
Ok but which one?';

'>>1755880
Probably one of the ones that get shat on the most here like Mango/Daffy/Corn';

'>>1755883
Why does Daffy get shat on? He's just the art/Denmark guy, no?';

'>The iPhone tranny is a dev derailing the thread to prevent further criticism and leaks of the mod';

'>>1755858
Suppose I am a Brazilian, or a slav, or whatever ethnicity you've decided is your boogeyman for this week.
And? Does that make what I said false?';

'>1755899
Okay Corn, get back to reworking Sverdlovsk instead of spamming on /vst/.';

'half way through may and still no release date for CB.';

'I'm thinking of upgrading my TNO to the latest update to play the 2nd War of the Triple Alliance.
Do they have actual content or they just A.I events?';

'First time player-anon here again. I've fought the several proxy wars as the US and have reached the death of Hitler. I have two questions.

1) Is there a mechanic to direct the politics of nations after I have liberated them in proxy wars? Somehow I can find, arm, train, and support these various democratic rebels and then weeks after the end of the conflict they tend to magically fall to communist subversion without a fight.

2) What is the rationale for Germany and its various dependencies imploding? I would compare it to the death of Stalin or Mao, which engendered power struggles at the top level but not the total collapse of their respective nations in a matter of weeks. I guess I just have a hard time imagining that 20 years of German governmental autism backed by genocidal violence would just collapse in days, and countries like Poland would apparently spring fully formed from the ashes and then be exempt from a 1954 Hungary style invasion after.

Or is this just creative license by the devs to show the heckin' fascists are incompetent?';

'>>1756470
>Is there a mechanic to direct the politics of nations after I have liberated them in proxy wars?
Some countries like Malaya have CIA decisions to influence the result but more often than not it's random. Dominican Republic is supposed to be a gamble: You can support Balaguer and have a stable ally but lose Cuba or you can keep siding with the revolutionaries but risk a commie coup there (but you can salvage the situation by triggering the Haitian Civil war, Red Dom. Rep. will join on the side of the Haitian commies and if you defeat both DR becomes an OFN occupation zone).
>What is the rationale for Germany and its various dependencies imploding?
It's something that's being removed because, as you said, it's stupid and doesn't represent the nazi government as it really was.';

'>>1756470
>Is there a mechanic to direct the politics of nations after I have liberated them in proxy wars?
For some of them, yes
>Somehow I can find, arm, train, and support these various democratic rebels and then weeks after the end of the conflict they tend to magically fall to communist subversion without a fight.
Not to spoil things, but every power gets a chance to support one communist faction or another

>What is the rationale for Germany and its various dependencies imploding?
A misunderstanding of the German concept of fuhrerprizip and extrapolating temporary administrations made during wartime into states lasting 20 years
>I would compare it to the death of Stalin or Mao, which engendered power struggles at the top level but not the total collapse of their respective nations in a matter of weeks.
From what I understand Germany is being changed to do just that. Look forward to this amazing content in 2030
>I guess I just have a hard time imagining that 20 years of German governmental autism backed by genocidal violence would just collapse in days,
Narratively speaking Nazi Germany in 1962 is supposed to be a paper tiger, with a rapidly collapsing economy, massive youth unemployment, lots of shiftless ex-military men from the West Russian War frustrated at the lack of opportunity back home, divided leadership. It's only keeping itself afloat by distracting the population with nostalgia for Hitler's glory days and big spectacles like putting a man on the moon. It's the result of a rather short-sighted extrapolation of the policies the German government undertook during the Great Depression (a problem I have a lot more with countries like Manchuria, but that's another story)
>and countries like Poland would apparently spring fully formed from the ashes and then be exempt from a 1954 Hungary style invasion after.
...';

'Honestly why rework Goering and not just replace him with someone else? He would be old as hell in 63 and I doubt he would outlive the Caudillos, De Gaulle or anyone else born in his generation. Hell he should probably be dead by 63 due to his unhealthy lifestyle in the 30s and 40s taking a toll on his body long term. He would croak about the same time as Hortler.
But regardless. How is reworked Goering gonna differ from Bormann? Aren't they both pro status quo with some token reforms here and there? And why is Donitz kinda just regulated to an extra when Hortler put him third on the succession list over Bormann himself at the time.';

'>>1756711
Bormann isn't status quo, his institutional reforms are bigger than Speer's. But Goering from what we've seen (which isn't much tbf) is apparently gonna be either the status quo candidate, keeping the balance of the party and the state like Hitler did, or he's gonna fully side with the state undermining the role of the party in governance. But this is just speculation on my part, his doc hasn't been leaked yet (I don't think it has even been written yet).
About Donitz, I don't think he has the powerbase needed to rival the other candidates. Goering has the state bureaucracy and his contacts in the army, Bormann has the entire party apparatus behind him, Himmler has his gargantuan security empire and Speer has his potpourri alliance of party technocrats, socrevs, reformists and dissidents.';

'>>1756473
I think I must just be bad at some of these minigames. I won overwhelming military victories in ever theater I was able to get troops into, but in Haiti and West Africa blue team got steamrolled before I ever got the option to send in the Marines. In the Channel Crisis, similar problem, Kennedy got himself shot by some guy named Buck Cherry and I had no political power to devote to making my readiness bar go up more than the Germans, and so the English we're in added and crushed in 72 hours.

The mod is fun, albeit frustrating. I maintain that a lot of the writing is relentlessly edgy for no reason. If I'm winning a conflict militarily and gaining ground, why are my troops committing war crimes and burning villages? If I don't have troops deployed at all, why am I penalized for involvement in a conflict? I'm being rhetorical, I know it's about creating a narrative and there are limitations to what's possible within the engine, but still.

Also goddamn do these devs hate Nixon and love, love, love their commies.';

'I wish Josias had content. Doesn't have to be impactful but the dude obviously is eccentric and crazy enough to warrant having focuses and events to play and he gets gobbled up by the GCW winner anyways lost opportunity for another Dirlewagner or Lysenko hermit kingdom type country where you aren't supposed to make it past the decade';

'>>1757338
Well anon, do I have news for you. He's going to be scrapped outright and replaced with "something more realistic", in this case what practically amounts to ethnic pro-German collaborators. Before you say that it sounds interesting too: never getting content.';

'>>1757313
Have you been doing the Latam CIA decisions to get PP? Those are very important.';

'>>1757497
I have not. Next time I will visit Latin America to acquire big pp.

Tried something different tonight and went and played the Red Navy pirates holed up in n Kamchatka, but apparently their whole thread just leads you to playing the West Russian Revolutionary Republic after several years of suboptimal management by the AI. I'll play it out to see what happens, for sure. I think I'm just running into the problem I have with all HOI mods, which is that they are really fun until you start to see the cracks in the plaster. Nothing against the devs at all, they've created an amazingly in depth story. Its just my personal taste I guess.';