'SEXO with dem POP's man';

'>queef
shant be buying this one kek';

'>>1745889
I cannot wait for this game. I will use it to train my political and economic and military ideas in simulation. My theories will be shaped and forged by war in this game. I will receive a greater military education than those know nothings at West Point who merely throw money at problem. I will show that I can create an Empire from nothing. Then I will implemant them in real life';

'Pdx giving more material for my academic career, already had vic3 to writte my masters on economy now I will do my phd on EUV';

'>>1745899
Post your paper or didnt happen';

'>>1745913
No mr. goldstein, I won't give you more material to stole, go writte your own';

'>>1745917
You lost chud';

'>>1745889
>kyiv
Why paradox is supporting nazi banderites?';

'Why do ziggers get triggered by a single city';

'>>1745949
>he's not supporting nazi banderites
Embarrassing desu';

'>>1745967
>we shall build our neo-nazi utopia by siding with the west, who definitely don't hate nazis as much as the moskal scum do
>heil hitler and the science, slava lgbtqi2sap+++
Are they stupid?';

'>>1745972
I think the brain rot is terminal. You've stopped speaking English completely.';

'>>1745975
It's brainrot, one word.';

'>>1745980';

'>>1745967
FUCK YOU NAZI MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT TO PROTECT MOTHERLAND FROM WEST SCUM NOW YOU GIVE MONEY AND MISSILES TO UKRONAZIS YOU ALL DESERVE DEATH';

'>>1745981
>brainrot
>did you mean brown rot
Heh';

'>>1745889
>France, hre, Italy and Byzantium get full autism treatment
>Wales is one country
>Hungary is unified blob
I am kinda disappointed
I was hoping game would go full feudalism autism but instead every vassal will be absorbed next decade after game starts';

'>>1745993
Suspect that hungarian vassals aren't as independent/powerful compare to the central authority as with HRE or France and the like.';

'>>1745994
Croatia was personal union and it isn't there
Welsh minor nobles literally started massive rebellion 60 years after game started
Marcher lords were absorbed to crown in only 16th century
But i guess thats where Johan had to make cuts to justify autistic hre bazillion noname cities that most of players will ignore';

'>>1745949
Because they are living in the first world country and not some Indian shithole.';

'>>1746003
>that bizarre stilted ESL grammar
Alright, what shithole country are you from?';

'>>1745993
Oh it will be just give it another 6 years of dlc';

'>>1745993
>important places get more attention
wow';

'>>1745889
>Praha
>Köln
>not Venesia
>not Napule
Why does Paradox hate Italians?';

'>>1745917
It's the current anglicised version of the name.';

'>>1745889
Is there enough border gore in the HRE?';

'>>1746122
Prolly not';

'>>1745993';

'>>1746149
I mean it's better than nothing but they could've put more effort in it
It's just half assed powertrip when it's pu with England and one war away from total independence in full borders(none of welsh rulers unified Wales before anglos took south let alone after that)';

'Is he just making victoria 4?';

'>>1746226
yes';

'>>1746000
>>1745993
Pretty sure Croatia is there, but the border is the same as the market border so you can't see it. It just doesn't have Slavonia, which is historically accurate.';

'>>1746149
>>1745993
Hoping it's just during development and they'll fix it up before release. Wales should be looking like pic related';

'>>1746253
Doubt it.';

'can you cum/chug/gers and /uhg/holes go back pls';

'>>1746328
/vst/ is a /chug/ ally, /k/ope about it. EU5 will have basedmods that change words like Kyiv or counteroffensyiv back into proper English words like Kiev or counteroffensive';

'Still have seen nothing i dislike from the DDs';

'>>1746006
Mixing up articles suggests a slav';

'>>1746253
Looks like the lordship of ireland is some kind of subject type instead of being directly controlled by england';

'Why haven't they told us whether or not there will be a genocide button? I want to know if I can purge the backwards, inbred natives whose land I will colonize. If I can't, it will be a bad game and there's no point in playing it until the mod or dlc for it is made.';

'>>1746425
hope the game will let me go full cromwell on the micks';

'>>1746478
There won't be, and there also won't be mods for it on the normal sites. It's just something they aren't allowed to add.';

'What if he goes full autism and adds characters to it as well, just to simultaneously take a shit on vicky 3 and ck3';

'>>1746502
>It's just something they aren't allowed to add.
Stellaris has multiple genocide buttons, like a classic purge or even turning people into biofuel. They clearly are allowed to do so.';

'>>1746506
That's different because it's just aliens or all humans together and it's not historical. You're not committing atrocities against specific real groups that actually exist.';

'>>1746503
Fuck no, 3D character models are the last thing this game needs.
EU4's 'characters' work fine, although I guess dynastic mechanics could be expanded on.';

'>>1746524
The 3D ones are souless but what about 2D ones kinda like CK2';

'>>1746524
>Fuck no, 3D character models are the last thing this game needs.
If he really wants Paradox's 3D modellers on suicide watch he should add a CK1 style 2d portrait system';

'>>1746524
It unironicaly needs characters to simulate things like territorial fragmentation.';

'great the gsgigger found a new thing to spam.';

'>>1745981
Now listen here, you little brainbrat...';

'>>1745889
*sets trade autism to automatic and gets back to blobbing*';

'>I have autism and no personality beyond oppoooosing whatever twitter is currently for';

'>>1746478
>>1746502
>>1746506
Is this you lmao?';

'>>1746610
No but he's based';

'>>1746398
Disturbing isn't it? Shit has me so hopeful that I'm now waiting for the monkey's paw to reveal its horrors.';

'>>1746646
I'm tempering my expectations by remembering that even if they don't add anything disastrous, the game will be flavorless and bug-ridden for at least a few months after launch.';

'Here's someone's map of Eastern Europe. I think Scania should be a Swedish vassal and Croatia should be a vassal too but looks good outside of that.';

'>>1746663
And here's someone else's map of part of Western Europe.';

'>>1746663
What happens in ermland?';

'>>1746663
>Riga
>Riga
>Riga?
>Riga
Heh, fun times.';

'full map';

'>>1746825
There seems to be two nations in Scotland
France will have lots of vassals
Golden Horde is a raidboss
Bohemia is going to blob
Muscovy is small
Iberia looks the same';

'>>1746827
>There seems to be two nations in Scotland
One is a civil war.
>Iberia looks the same
There is a kingdom of Majorca now.';

'>>1746827
For Scotland, it's the Second War of Scottish Independence. The southern part is held by Scottish claimant Edward Balliol who's being supported by the English, meanwhile France backs the Scottish King David. This is a few months before the Hundred Years' War kicks off';

'>>1746825
the fuck is this';

'>>1746863
Voltaire's Nightmare';

'>>1746866
Oh I thought this was EU5 related, I was about to scream about inaccurate borders.';

'>>1746867
it's eu5 retard';

'>>1746825
Was it made by ai? Because there's certainly no state border in the middle of Croatia on op pic';

'>>1746918
>Was it made by ai?
No, it was made by a redditor. Its made from the various screenshots of the trade map that has been shown. Basically its a speculative map since the actual one hasn't been shown yet. Spots like Croatia are hard to see so this image is just guessing what it could look like.';

'>>1746918
the border is the same as the market border so you can't see it';

'>>1746663
>venice isn't an unrealistically sized island
Based';

'>>1746529
That would be hillarious.';

'>>1746530
Not really. That is necessary for middle ages but EU timeline is about state centralsisation and moving away from feudal houses to abstract idea of a state. From Plantagents to Great Britain. It's importat for certain events like wars of Spanish succession but it shouldn't be the central theme.';

'>>1746908
well then the borders are fucked';

'>>1746959
How so?';

'>>1746974
Ruthenia should be called Galicia-Volhynia and be way bigger while Lithuania is too big. What you're seeing here as Ruthenia is essentially the part of Galicia-Volhynia that Poland ended up with after the Galicia–Volhynia Wars, which took place several years after the starting date.';

'>>1746988
>Ruthenia should be called Galicia-Volhynia
We don't know the name of that country yet, the person who made the map just guessed the name.
And if you think the borders are wrong, you should post on the forum about if it concerns you so much, remember the point of Tinto Talks is that feedback is supposed to be given. Make your dream come true, anon.';

'>>1746993
I can't find where that map was posted.
Most likely some other map autist is already shit talking the author anyway.';

'>>1746959
>>1746974
>>1746863
>>1746866
>>1746908
>>1746867
>>1747001
>>1746988
>>1746993';

'>>1745949
swedes are well known nazi sympathizers';

'>>1745949
>In 1922 the State Institute of Racial Biology was founded in Uppsala. In the 1930s, a law was passed that allowed mass sterilisation.[5] The stated rationale behind the legislation was to prevent sterilisation from becoming a contraceptive method in the hands of the individual.[3][6]

>Another law, passed in 1941, was more far reaching and stated three broad grounds on which sterilisation could be carried out:[7]

>Medical, if a pregnancy could pose a risk to life or good health of a woman with chronic illness or permanently weakened constitution.
>Eugenic, which allowed sterilising people considered insane or with severe illness or with a physical disability, so that these traits are not passed on the offspring.
>Social, which allowed sterilising people deemed unsuitable to foster a child due to mental illness, being feebleminded or having an antisocial lifestyle.

>The law did not foresee any age of consent limit. However, it was never legal to physically restrain a person.[8]
Ideologically affine spirits';

'>>1747034
>In 1922 the State Institute of Racial Biology was founded in Uppsala. In the 1930s, a law was passed that allowed mass sterilisation.[5] The stated rationale behind the legislation was to prevent sterilisation from becoming a contraceptive method in the hands of the individual.
Huh?';

'>>1746663
I'm not entirely sure if the Moldova is going to be Moldova, it was founded in the 1350s. Also that person got the Wallachian border wrong fooled by the market border, a state border is visible in the original map on the Carpathian line.';

'>>1746825
I hope there are at least a few navigable rivers.';

'>>1747107
How many rivers can support a triple masted galleon';

'>>1746006
He may have gone about communicating it in an odd sort of way but he's right.';

'>>1746942
Not really, that development only starts halfway through the game.
EU IV is already simplistic and ahistorical in how it portrays the geopolitical reality of dynastic policies and territorial possesions in countries like Austria and Saxony.
The brothers' quarrel, for an example, occured 1608, well into the early modern period.';

'>>1747109
that's a dumb fucking argument, but if you really wanted to sail up a river with one of those, there are quite a few major ones which are hundreds of meters wide';

'>>1745889
I get the feeling London Market/ English Channel is still going to be the best in the game';

'>>1747118
Right up until some lowlander creates their own market
I suppose that means the English meta will be to make sure the Netherlands never forms';

'>>1747118
the ec is only the best market if you do a wc and even then only at the end and only marginally';

'>>1747117
Why would you do this?';

'>>1747151
>is only the best market if you do a wc
What? You can be earning a thousand ducats a month just by doing general British or Dutch Empire shit by 1600 you don't have to go anywhere near World conquest. Just trade via Africa and N.America';

'>>1747153
pretty sure the brits did something like that in the opium war';

'>>1747159
same as sevilla, genoa and venice, your point?';

'>>1746669
Burgundy and the Free County of Burgundy my beloved <3';

'Now that we have a rough outline of Europe. Which nation will you play first?';

'>>1747397
Milan, so I can avoid having to deal with the black plague.';

'>>1747397
Castile, so I can properly check out all the mechanics.';

'>>1747397
Ottomans, I am a simple man with a need to blob';

'>>1747397
The protagonists';

'>>1747415
GROBSERBIVMS...';

'>>1747415
>saruhan
based LOTR enjoyer';

'>>1747397
Depends on how deep the pop mechanics are especially culture. If they are deep then Achaia into the Latin Empire, especially if the game has stuff for the "Problem of Two Emperors". If not then probably Ireland. Poor and pastoral, middling pop and a scaling level of difficulty with England as the final boss in the early game. It'd be perfect to learn the game's mechanics.';

'I played Paradox games for years before I realised that the Byzantine Empire was the Eastern Roman Empire :)
Propaganda works, kids.';

'>>1746077
>h
>r
>e
>important';

'>>1747407
>By March of 1348, over 11,000 of the 15,000 inhabitants had to be buried. 3 While others were not affected nearly as much, Milan is an example of this; the city seemingly only had a death rate of 15%';

'>>1747467
Jupiter blesses the Romans of Mediolanum.';

'>>1747397
Aragon. I'm planning a Barcelona to Stockholm game';

'>>1747397
might do a dutch united states';

'>>1747397
Poland, so i can avoid having to deal with the black plague';

'>>1747397
Florence as always. I think Italy is going to be the most fun region to play (as always). Also want to try Venice with an actual trade system';

'What is happening in the Timurid region in 1337?';

'>>1747486';

'>>1747489
Hmmm, the Delhi Sultanate looks very threatening. I wonder how Paradox will deal with Timur.';

'>>1747397
Jalayirids';

'>>1747515
Is that Iraq?
I think I can see it here >>1747489';

'>>1747397
Khmer, Goryeo, or Vijayanagara. Europe will be the least interesting region as always.';

'>>1747473
^this and snake my way through the North-African coast until I can purge Saruhan from Anatolia.';

'>>1747520
Buddhist Mongol Iraq';

'>>1747522
>Europe will be the least interesting region as always.
trans or just brown?';

'Where would you say is the absolute center of the map when it comes to content?
When you play Poland in EU4 to the north you have the scandis, to the west HRE then france then Iberia/UK, to the south Hungary, then Ottos then Mameluks then "maybe" Ethiopians, but to the east you have Muscovy/Russia, then hordes, then China, then Manchu/Korea/Japan, but going that direction is way less interesting because of all the uncolonised land, so it's more interesting to go through India. It often feels like Byzzies or the HRE are "supposed" to be center of the content, but in the 1st case there's nothing really south once you beat Egypt, and in the HRE case you really have to wait for colonial powers to "do their thing" to have any longer fun going westwards.';

'>>1747549
jesus you blobbers are fucking deranged';

'>>1747397
Probably something peripheral like sweden to just learn the mechanics';

'>>1747419
hope they still have the white hand flag';

'>>1747550
I'm talking less about blobbing, (Although that's involved) and more about havong competitors, for example when you play as ottos, if it was just you and minors in italy, then you would be overwhelming, but you have to compete in and for italy with France Spain and the HRE, likewise as France if there is no hostile AustroHungary/Ottos, Scandis or Poland/Russia, then HRE is open season, because UK and Spain usually won't be able to mount a defence there. Basically I'm talking about cardinality when it comes to fighting about stuff, in the same vein that Poland being allied to Ming means jack shit if you border Poland because Ming would have to walk all the way through Russia or India, which even if they come eventually, means that you can already secure a victory by then.
And that same cardinality means that when you break Mamluks as Otto, there's really no one below you you ever have to worry about again for the rest of the game, so that kind off changes how you see the game from now on, instead of being a country on a globe, you are a border of the map by yourself.';

'>>1747554
reddit shit';

'>>1746527
peak soul, if johan does 2d characters i will consider him a god amongst man';

'>>1747562
Something like this can be neat too https://youtu.be/e8oaIKJO084?t=7';

'>>1747566
looks like aislop';

'>>1747543
Obviously bait.';

'>>1745889
Wouldn't it have made more sense to base these around major rivers?
Like why is Lowland part of London market instead of Köln when their major import came from down the Rhine?
Same thing for Wallachia why would it be part of Constantinople than Pest?';

'>>1746669
>>1747337
>>1746663
France coloured in.';

'>>1747583
>Like why is Lowland part of London market instead of Köln when their major import came from down the Rhine?
Probably the wool trade.';

'>>1747585
I look forward to declaring war on people and having my ai buddies do all of the work.
May the vassal swarm forever remain strong.';

'>>1747585
I will make Burgundy proud.';

'>>1747585
sardinia might make for a fun alternative for a challenging naval/colonial game';

'>>1747586
Honestly, Brugges should be its own node';

'>>1747592
streng geheim';

'>>1747397
>Now that we have a rough outline of Europe. Which nation will you play first?
My three favorites are France, Byz, and Moscow->Russia.';

'>>1747602
Muscovy will be very different in this game. Novgorod and the Golden Horde are going to be serious threats. Lithuania, too.';

'Do you think that the Eastern Roman Empire will have cores on Anatolia? No idea how long ago the Turks took over.';

'>>1747601
Do not speak in Germanic languages to me, I will turn the Dutch language into something palatable... something Latinized... Lille instead of Rijsel.';

'>>1747606
I think they will have some Aegean coastal cores and maybe a little bit inland in Western Anatolia.
Central and Eastern Anatolia will be lost causes at the start, though. Those lands have been undergoing Turkification for a century by that point.';

'>>1747153
The Dutch sailed up a river and stole a load of ships during the second Anglo-Dutch war.';

'>>1747583
They had a Lowland market, probably Bruges, but it was getting consumed too quickly by the surrounding markets. These starting markets aren't final yet so maybe they'll add it back at some point. Also rivers aren't working properly yet, so expect some big changes around that the next time we see a market map';

'>>1747557
>hating on ancient eu3 kino
Cringe desu senpai

>>1747585
Do it for her';

'>>1747606
Is the coring mechanic even going to be present in the game?';

'>>1747585
Will the Papal States have it's capital at Avignon at the start of the game?';

'>>1747590
I dont think vassals will work this way. In vicky and ck vassals dont automatically join wars same thing will probably be in eu5.';

'>>1747583
I think Constantinople is pretty accurate in Wallachia. The most important trade in the area would've been coming in from the coastal port cities along the Black Sea. And it would've been better for Wallachian merchants to deal with richer Constantinople and take advantage of the complex road network in that area than to try going through the Carpathians';

'>>1746827
The Golden Horde was brought down by major infighting from the 1350s onward which I'm assuming they'll code in to some extent because otherwise it would be incredibly OP
Bohemia is at its peak in the 14th century and irl only was brought to near ruin by the Hussite Wars, which legit killed like half the kingdom's population. I feel like for a player they could very much be one of the easiest starts assuming they don't hardcode the hussite stuff to always be so devastating
Muscovy was in the very early stages of its rise in 1337. it's in a relatively strong position but tver/novgorod/maybe another could easily fuck them over with the right set of cicumstances
>>1747492
TLDR they're a lot like the Yuan in that they're a powderkeg about to explode. except unlike the Yuan it's basically happening right at gamestart instead of 20 years down the line
Dehli IRL peaked like 2 years prior and loses a lot of that territory in the following 20 years, like it had just lost the hoysala and vijayanagara territories on that map in the preceding 2 years before the start date. so realistically it should crumble 95/100 times without player help
I can't be assed to make a smaller version of the 1420 map to conform to size restrictions but since the eu4 borders in 1444 of these countries are basically the same :
they lose the bahmani and bengal sultanates by 1360, a new dehli ruler stabilizes the situation but he died in 1388 and they lose jaunpur and malwa by 1400, by 1420 they lost gujarat and are reduced to punjab and the territory it had in 1444. without a good ruler stabilizing the situation in the 1350s shit could've gone to hell a lot faster
>>1747606
idk if they will but cores, assuming they're a thing, on the ottoman's current territory in anatolia would be obvious since almost all of it had been lost in the past 20 years
you could give them cores on all the coastal turkish states north of rhodes since they'd been lost in the past 40-50ish years';

'So what will it be?';

'>>1747736
Byzantine just sounds cooler to me';

'>>1745889
One look at this image and I could already guess what the thread will be full of

On the bright side, at least Köln isn't Cologne, and Praha isn't Prague';

'>>1745993
They'll probably add more autism to the little places later on, like how Ireland in EUIV went from being just the four traditional Irish kingdoms to a battle royale. They might even overshoot with it like how they did with aborigines in Australia';

'>>1747654
That's seem like a retaded logic
>Brussel's node is too weak compared to London and Lubeck
>Let's London even stronger by making Brussel node part of London
More of this Anglo-centric shit';

'>>1747794
anglo website';

'>>1747794
Its probably because of there being no united Netherlands or colonial empire to boost a lowlands trade node early on. Since there's no strong power in the lowlands, they most likely can't divert trade to it while with an London trade has England to do so.';

'I don't understand what the Caesar project is supposed to be? Any new game that Paradox is going to release or is it a mod?';

'>>1747800
Its Victoria 4';

'>>1747801
...Anon please';

'>>1747801
paradox would have to release victoria 3 first';

'>>1747799
He did mention "river logic", and rivers were the primary way to move trade. So everyone sitting at a river would be in the market of whoever sits at the exit.';

'>>1747736
"Eastern Roman Empire" is for Romababies.
"Byzantine Empire" is for Hellocentric men who want to build the next Alexandrian empire.';

'>>1747812
>build the next Alexandrian empire.
I hope they do another extended timeline mod for eu5
Playing indo-greeks with population mechanics would be sick';

'>>1747798
no, this is a Japanese website';

'Well, after reading all the developers' journals, I guess they're going to make a eu4-style game, although I have faith it could be a combination of ck3 and eu4. That would be great, so I could insert myself as the autistic person that I am. Kek, even though I feel like I'll end up disappointed, but I don't lose faith';

'>>1747736
Basileia ton Rhomaion

I want my fucking endonym mode.';

'>>1747831
>although I have faith it could be a combination of ck3 and eu4
There is a mod for ck3 that attempts to do it
I forgot name and it wasn't updated in a long time';

'>>1747397
Any other answer than "my own" is wrong.';

'>>1747397
My first playthrough has to be Teutonic Order into Germany';

'>>1747800
It's EU3 2';

'>>1747812
Very true.';

'Assimilation more complex than "pops turn into your culture" confirmed?';

'Please someone needfully confirm if the Aryan nations of Prussia and Bharat will be playable sirs?!';

'>>1745889
>kyiv
>moscow';

'undefined';

'>>1747397
I'm still not fond of the new start date but if there's one positive aspect it's getting to play as the Serbian Empire so probably them.';

'>>1747397
I'll try to make norse pagan colony in Greenland
Hopefully it will be possible';

'kyiv really triggered the tranny lmao';

'>>1747656
Get that fuckin anti-British, bloody communism promoting slag off my website mate.';

'>>1747986
>anglo immediately flies into a fit of rage upon seeing something that is pure and good
Yeah that checks out.
There is a reason why god punished you lot after murdering her. Although one might argue being an anglo is already punishment enough I suppose.';

'>>1748019
Imagine thinking the creature you're talking to is actually British. Nobody actually types like a U WOT M8 meme over here.';

'>>1747944
those are some expensive looking input goods';

'>>1748091
merchant capacity seems to be a very strong bonus';

'>>1747940
super mana bros...';

'>>1747585
>>1746669
>>1747337
>>1746663
A combination map of the above.';

'>>1747940
>it depends
Does this mean we'll get shit like colonial cultures appearing dynamically? Along ethnic lines, as well?
Will we be able to replicate Spain's literal rape of the American continent or Anglo-style displace the natives type colonialism?';

'>>1748140
potato bros, this isn't going to run well, is it?';

'>>1748140
>>1747585
>>1746669
>>1747337
>>1746663
The same combination map but not shit quality.';

'>>1748162
I really hope the PU of Burgundy and Flanders is scripted since the first Capetian dynasty died but the Second Capetian House of Burgundy, Valois-Bourgogne, married the same Duchess of Flanders.';

'>>1748162
I hope Austria and Styria will be heavily scripted';

'>>1748162
Livonian Order exists based on dev diary screenshots, I don't know why it's shown as part of the Teutonic Order.';

'Do you guys think there will be an achievement to get rid of all the Jewish pops in the world?';

'>>1748277
No, but there will be one to get rid of all Christian and Muslim pops to be the sole Abrahamic faith, it'll be called called "God's Chosen" .';

'>>1747397
Trying to form Arabia as najd or Shammar';

'>>1746106
No one likes Italians, not even other Italians.';

'How are markets going to work once the Age of Colonization kicks in? Will your colonies be part of your market, or they will be considered their own markets but still part of the same Empire?';

'>>1748140
So the game will only be played in Europe? what a surprise without a doubt';

'>>1747812
>Eastern
It was just the Roman Empire. The East-West divide was useless by that time.';

'>>1748392
theyd have their own market. im hoping there will be some kind of mercantilism mechanic';

'>>1747812
>"Byzantine Empire" is for Hellocentric men who want to build the next Alexandrian empire.
No one of the Byzantine Emperors actually wanted to rebuild the Alexandrian Empire. They preferred to go west and reconquer ancient lands in Italy than to go east, far away into India.';

'>>1748142
>Does this mean we'll get shit like colonial cultures appearing dynamically? Along ethnic lines, as well?
That'd be great. I assume the "market language" will contribute to which culture pops assimilate into too';

'>>1745993
Wales should be at least two regions: The "Royal Wales" and the marches.';

'>>1747397
The true Kingdom of Sardinia and kickout Aragon and Genoa from the island.';

'>>1748162
What's 27th?';

'>>1747397
Pagan Lithuania';

'this game will be shit';

'Will they add more extensive dynasty interactions? I want to play as the Austrian Habsburgs, but I think the incest is a crucial part to their lore, so if it isn't in the game I'll be very disappointed (and probably play Portugal or Castille instead, so I can breed the American Indians and have wholesome colonial nations)';

'I'm going to play as the Dutch and I am going to annex the entire historical GEACPS and KOLONISEER every single asian woman. Then I will expand inwards until all asian lands are under Dutch Occupation Government (DOG). The lands will be painted orange as my armies march across the earth, not content until the last asian pussy has been penetrated by a big white cock. Only then, when DOG has dominion over asian women, will my conquest be complete.';

'>>1745949
Because they're nazis. Supporting them is based.';

'>>1748162
Shouldn't Croatia be subject to Hungary same way Wales is to England? Or Moravia is to Bohemia. I mean afaik Hungarian kings were still crowned kings of Croatia as well so those were recognized as separate subjects.';

'>>1748569
The map maker didn't know.';

'>>1748765
The market border was over where the border would probably be so the various map makers have been guessing. See this guy for example. >>1746663. This map maker I guess thought it wasn't there.';

'>>1748411
*Empire of the Greeks';

'>>1748679
>play Portugal or Castille instead, so I can breed the American Indians
based
>>1748686
>play as the Dutch and I am going to annex the entire historical GEACPS and KOLONISEER every single asian woman
also based';

'>>1747812
>>1748778
Americans should be banned from talking about european history';

'>>1748817
Europe is just the backstory for America, the main thing.';

'>>1748817
mutts are the byzaboos';

'>>1748863
Wrong, mutts are mostly germanboos';

'>>1747397
I'll try to form GROBITALIUM as my tiny and irrilevant italian birthplace duchy';

'>>1748162
Perm should be interesting, it's pagan at the time and christianization happens a fair bit into the game historically';

'>>1747934
So zased';

'>>1748958
Lithuania is still pagan too in 1337';

'>>1748162
>>1748140
>>1747585
>>1746669
>>1747337
>>1746663
Another total map based on the first smaller map.';

'>>1749141
really dont like that saxony, trier and elsass';

'>>1749141
will you have to ally the emperor at any cost if you play anything but a trade republic in Italy or will it take less than a century for the shadow kingdom equivalent to fire?';

'>>1749141
>Big Luxembourg
Alright, alright, say less. I'm placing my pre-order now.';

'>>1749141
where are the hungarian barons? hungary should look like france';

'>>1749160
Well of course they're big, they are the emperor afterall.';

'>>1749141
It's going to be so easy for Hungary to blob into the Balkans.';

'>>1745894
>>1745899
>>1745919
hello saarrrr';

'>>1749180
yeah this start date is so absurdly early. by the time a player is ready to colonize they're going to already have the continent locked down';

'>>1749180
maybe Hungary and France will have low control in their provinces to limit their resources in the early game';

'>>1749191
Probably, I guess they will have less control over the Transylvanian areas. The Ottomans will probably also get some insane events to boost them so everything won't be too easy.';

'>>1749141
>Kiev
Are dyslexic perhaps?';

'>>1745899
>>1745913';

'>>1748778
That was, ironically, a slur for them. Kinda like Latinx for Latinos.';

'>>1749222
well of course, like any true romans they considered the word "greek" to mean "sodomite"';

'>>1749224
more like sodomized';

'>>1747415
probably why they moved the date back desu';

'>>1749141
Wales being a vassal seems an odd choice given if anything it had more direct royal control than most noble controlled regions of England in this era. Unless its just for balance in England v France reasons';

'>>1749263
The real reason is that there's a notable number of people who would want to play as Wales and not so many who want to play as Lancaster or York or whatever.';

'>>1749141
>changing kyiv to kiev
lmao';

'>>1749263
there were still the marcher lords around';

'>>1749270
They should have to start as a marcher lord, rebel against the english and form it themselves';

'>>1749284
Yeah, it was like 50-50 there, same as Ireland. If they are doing the Irish Pale, they should do the Wales one as well.';

'This game is going to be fucking sweet. I am hyped. Going to clown on vicky 3 so hard.';

'>>1749304
>Going to clown on vicky 3 so hard.
That's a very low bar.';

'>>1749304
>>1749317
Vic3 Engoodening is coming soon, EU5 is going to get mogged by the real imperialist macroeconomics simulator.';

'>>1749317
I've been playing the EU series since 2 and I am one of three people who liked Imperator. I did like EU4 but it was ran into the ground by bloated DLC many years ago. Everything released so far has me cautiously hopeful that Johan is on a redemption arc and has learned the correct lessons for what is wrong with nu-Paradox and that this game is going to kick ass.';

'>>1749336
>I am one of three people who liked Imperator
You may be lucky because people are saying EU5 is taking more inspiration from Imperator than from any other game.';

'>>1749304
I am interested, but lack of SoL and static consumption makes me doubt there's going to be a whole lot of clowning.';

'>>1749381
Perhaps something similar to it could be added down the line, it is still Paradox they need to release DLC
>>1749336
Strong suspicion it will be considered average or worse at launch due to bugs and balancing but I see it becoming good down the line';

'there is no way this game isn't going to run like shit when it launches';

'>>1749141
>kiev
It's already confirmed to be Kyiv in game you dumb zigger pajeet';

'>>1749410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6rTceqNiNg';

'>>1748162
>>1749141
Is that the final map or just speculation? Because the Iberian Peninsula was nowhere near as united as pictured there.
Portugal maybe, but Aragon and Castile? No way. Aragon was just a collection of Kingdoms with different laws each ones and different nobility that sometimes didn't even get along them and even fought against the King if they didn't get their way.
Castile was a bit more centralized, but still at the same level as France. And France is fragmented as hell in this game.';

'>>1749439
tl;dw
is it hopium or copium';

'>>1749464
Watch the video, you ADHD zoomer faggot.';

'>>1749414
kiev is the noncommie spelling so cope and seethe commietroon';

'Wait they moved back the start date ? Are they retarded lmao they couldnt even portray one century correctly with fun mechanics and now they included another. I just want to have a fun colonizer game man. They should have started it in the late 15th century at the earliest, the advent and prime of pike and shot should have been the games center point.';

'>>1749213
>>1749414
>it's kyyww-ACK!';

'>>1749481
>I just want to have a fun colonizer game man.
Get fucked tranny.';

'>>1749500
Man you gsg niggers are all mentally ill';

'>>1749500
I do kind of agree there's a point that the main era of an EU game is meant to be the rise of Europe as a world centre in the 16th century. The birth of colonial Empires, rise of nation states and the Reformation should be the main parts of the early game but get pushed further and further back with every new version. So I doubt the majority of players will even get to 1492 in EUV.';

'>>1747654
I wonder if markets path in a province-by-province distance or direct on-map distance. Because if first, the rivers should be a "hidden province" that lets them path faster through them, while mountains should disable trade flow through, but if it is direct distance will be quite harder.';

'>>1749145
I'm pretty sure Bavarian emperor dies 10 years in, while in a middle of a war against a new Bohemian Emperor (whose dynasty rule will be overthrown less than a century later), and only then do we get to the Austrian Emperor, where the "Shadow kingdom looming" finally fires. IIRC the Bohemian 1st Bohemian Emperor was fully supported by the Pope, also.';

'>>1747794
If EU5 is railroaded enough, Brussels will become a French node, then a Spanish node.';

'>>1747794
You're assuming this is like EU4 where trade is a zero-sum game and the ultimate goal is to monopolize as much trade power as possible in your node. I'm sure there will still be a benefit to controlling the market capital but being in a larger market like London should also be a benefit to Brabant/Flanders/Holland/etc.';

'>>1749286
>rebel against the english
The Marcher Lord's were English. The best option is unironically playing as the Prince of Wales and hoping the English king doesn't have an heir which leaves you under local Welsh magnates until he does and fomenting rebellion through them.';

'>>1749447
These are all speculation from various map-makers based on the so far released Tinto Talk maps.';

'I want this game to be good so fucking bad, but I just know I'm setting myself up for massive disappointment. The fact the chuds on the Paradox Forums and the trannies in Discord are actually liking the Development Diaries is just another sign this game is going to be shit. Is the Golden Age of Paradox over? Am I going to have to wait again for some Indieshit company to rise up over a decade and make an actually good game? I'm getting old, I can't wait that long.';

'>>1749614
the forum users are based and trannies dont really play eu only vicky and hoi so they dont have any influence';

'>>1749614
>The fact the chuds on the Paradox Forums and the trannies in Discord are actually liking the Development Diaries is just another sign this game is going to be shit.
Or could be a sign of the One Game to Rule Them All.';

'>>1749623
I would laugh my ass if EU5 is actually a good game and people stopped playing V3 and HOI4 to play EU5 with a 1836/1936 mod, instead.';

'>>1749628
If EU5 is shit I will laugh at Johan
If EU5 is not shit I will laugh at Vic3 trannies and also get to play a good game
It's a win for me either way but I prefer the second option';

'>>1747397
Burgundy
Bohemia
Portugal
after those I'll play the classic picks of Castile England Brandenburg Austria Muscovy and Byzantium';

'>>1749481
I remember in EU3 you could rush QftNW and colonize early as fuck';

'>>1746663
what are these maps based on? the trade map in the op?';

'>>1749747
Yes.';

'I hope they don't railroad colonization behind ideas or something, instead just make it extremely expensive for an economy in the 1300s';

'>>1749476
"kiev" literaly is commie (russian) spelling';

'>>1749763
nah they should, they also should give us different paths to specialize in
like the portuguese would use slaves from africa instead of their own pops while spain would have their own move overseas';

'>>1749768
>literaly is commie
love it when the third worlders get angry at the other third world country';

'>>1749789
you okay mutt tranny? someone made a mistake typing in your negrolanguage?';

'>>1749791
>whining about trannies completely unprompted
yes we get it you have AIDS and an IQ of like 80';

'>>1749794
>AIDS and an IQ of like 80
aren't these the people your worship mutttroon?';

'>>1749795
you sl*vs are all the fucking same anyways who cares balkanoid/polack/ukie';

'>>1749797
Funny how you conviniently forgot Russians in that list.';

'>>1747794
I think the Low Countries being part of the London market could represent the significant export of English wool to the Low Countries where it was made into cloth, a major source of trade during the Late Middle Ages.';

'>>1749864
i already mentioned the AIDS infested 80iq mongrels once';

'>>1749870
That pretty much is. Plus the fact that Burgundy was actually and ally of England in the Hundred Years' War. Well, at least until the very last part, when England when full retard.
Then, it became (begrudgingly) an ally of France, and then of the Holy Roman Empire. And at the end of the day, and thanks to some dynastic shenanigans, ended as part of the Spanish Empire.';

'>>1749789
Russia is 2th world';

'>>1750033
>tooth world
That's England';

'>>1747397
The Hansa. Or whatever the equivalent is at that time.';

'>>1747397
Probably England. Its a useful island sand box to learn the new mechanics and it always gets enough bonuses its hard to fuck up';

'>>1750077
Probably something like a league of HRE city-states that get bonuses from cities in their market. Ideally they'd be able to foster increased autonomy of the non-independent cities from their lieges, hopefully up to political independence down the line as a way to grown their membership and political power. Would be VGH kino.';

'>>1750166
>nobody but bolsheviks and jews call it kyiv
Yet they literally call it "kiev"';

'>>1749785
Would be cool to see a representation that the Portuguese and Spanish first used natives as slaves in the americas (portos already bought slaves from west africa in the middle of the 15th century but it took a century more until they started bringing them en masse to brazil) and then switch to africans. But knowing pdox and the current day faggotry it will be at best a modifier where the malus outweigh the bonuses you would get.
Early colonialization should be different for different countries anyways, with alternative history choices given, like the portos using fortified trading posts in the beginning, then switching to permanent settlements and sugar mills in brazil, the french trying to cuck them with their navy and befriending tupi tribes against the portos and so on.';

'Soon it will be called Kiev irl too so hopefully all these retarded arguments will finally cease';

'>>1750205
Hopefully you can make money selling Africans';

'>>1750214
You know that wont happen and any mod doing that (modders are all trannies so that wont happen either) will be taken down.';

'>>1750221
slaves were a trade good in eu4 though';

'>>1750222
And eu 4 came out in 2014 mate. Even if they put them in it will be shallow as fuck and probably not worth it.
Would actually cool to play as a west african nation already using massive amounts of slaves and trading them in the sahel trade, and when the first europeans come you get a second market, getting tons of booze and gunpowder done the line, enslaving more and more just to fill your liquor and to keep on warring.';

'>>1750237
How do I tell the J*maican family down the road that they don't have the right to live here just because they're the descendants of West African prisoners of war or criminals without sounding like a sperg?';

'>>1749623
>Trannies don't play EU4
Said no one who has actually played multiplayer or interacted with EU4 players, ever.';

'>>1749623
>>1750262

I'm trans btw (not sure if it matters lol)';

'>>1750262
>eu4 multiplayer
thats like 1% of the playerbase';

'>>1750237
Slavery is in Vicky 3 which came out like two years ago. Paradox also could've just updated EU4 to removed slaves at any point if they really wanted to, but they haven't. They even added missions specifically about the slave trade in Origins which was 3 years ago. You're arguing against shadows.';

'>>1749623
>trannies dont really play eu only vicky and hoi
what? vicky is chud central. trannies and femboys mainly play hoi4 but there's surely more of them playing eu4 than vicky id think';

'>>1750337
Dont know just found the representation of the slave trade lackluster and underrepresented. But then again that can be said for many things in eu 4.
Never got origins.';

'So will slaves be both a pop and trade good in EUV? Will we be limited to African slaves or can I play as a Barbary state and capture some sweet European girls? Will I be able to depopulate the European coast with slave raids?';

'>>1750210
Its going to be called the free city of Kyiv, similar to Dithmarschen peasants republic in EU4';

'>>1750351
>vicky is chud central
vic2 maybe, 3 is commie central';

'im trans and love vicky2';

'>>1749614
You know, with Vic3, there was absolutely not the positive feedback as with Eu5. I still remember three button warfare and ugly ass avatars completely murdering my hype. That sorta bullshit hasn't happened with Eu5 (yet)';

'>>1750406
It's guaranteed to happen sooner or later. They are just frontloading the DD's with the popular stuff. The first few V3 diaries were also well received, then it turned to shit.';

'>>1750415
For Vic 3 Capacities was dev diary 2 and people weren't happy with that from the get-go. Interest groups were dev diary 6 and the lack of political parties was the first big dust-up.';

'>>1750406
>>1750415
Shoot just from their recent track record and how theyve been trending ive already lost all hope for this you just know something's coming at some point that's going to be a deal breaker. I mean if turns out good, then awesome but im not holding my breath on it';

'>>1750459
>recent track record
all non-Johan games though';

'>>1750462
What are the last couple games Johan made?
>Floperator
>Mana Universalis IV
hmm';

'>>1750464
EU IV was at least good before missions rework';

'>>1750205
It'd be funny if someday someone implemented a pop rating to be slaves, just like Europeans themselves did before. Like Native Americans for some reason were very bad to be slaves so that's why they have to bring Africans over. Are Europeans good to be slaves?';

'>>1750548
>Like Native Americans for some reason were very bad to be slaves so that's why they have to bring Africans over.
Native Americans just wouldn't comply with slavery, they'd generally kill the slave owner and then go innawoods.';

'>>1747492
I am sure the Delhi Sultanate will have a tons of debuffs and that Tamerlane will be a scripted event.';

'>>1750548
>Are Europeans good to be slaves?
Have you ever wondered about the etymology of “slave”, anon?';

'>>1750548
>Are Europeans good to be slaves?
They were, ask the Ottomans.';

'>>1750548
The problem is like 95% of Native American slaves kept dying from Old World diseases and those that didn’t could pretty easily escape thanks to the home turf advantage';

'>>1750385
i forgot that 3 even existed to be honest';

'>>1750599
Slavs aren't Europeans';

'>>1750553
Seems reasonable. Why didn't the africans do this?';

'>>1750553
>>1750548
The Spanish tried using Caribian indigines, the Taino, as slaves but they kept dying.';

'>>1747397
England, and attempt to win the Hundred Years War. The game begins right at the start of it.';

'>>1750548
>>1750553
Native Americans were bad slaves because they kept dying to smallpox and the survivors were eventually converted to Christianity and enslaving fellow christians wasn't allowed. Africans weren't even viewed as humans and there was a big supply of them because they kept enslaving each other in tribal wars.
>>1750548
>Are Europeans good to be slaves?
Like half of the Ottoman army was enslaved greeks and slavs from the Balkans, and that was when the Ottoman army was actually good before the janissaries got more corrupt and roachified.';

'>>1750749
This sounds like a winning combo for a powergaming white supremacist type run.';

'Another dev diary today, right? Surely it'll be on this one where they'll finally reveal that the game will be utter dogshit.

Imagine wasting time making a new game when that time could've been spent giving every tag in EU4 a 100+ mission count tree. Now we'll never have the kino Medina missions where they restore the Caliphate, blow up the Cologne Cathedral, and colonize the colonizers of Europe.';

'>>1750769
So you kek at the Hoi and Vic dev teams? How dare you!!!';

'>>1750548
Slavery against natives didnt work due to them dying en masse to old world diseases, and diseases that negro slaves brought with them. Also from the beginning clerics rallied against their enslavement as they saw the natives as possessing souls and being convertable, which was formulated in the new laws of 1542 by Charles II. Negroes were not seen as possessing souls and anti slavery movements against them only came after the anglos were under jewish control and then being legislated in 1836.';

'>>1750742
A lot tried and some did, runaway slaves formed communities in the jungles and mountains in jamaica and on the mainland. They even raided white settlements and farms. Sometimes conspiracies by black slaves were uncovered by more loyal slaves and then the blackies were slaughtered, as it was cheaper to get new kaffers than keeping the unruly ones.';

'>>1750781
THERE WERE MASS MIGRATIONS IN THE PERIOD YOU FUCKING RETARD
WHO DO YOU THINK THE OTTOMANS ARE
WHY DOES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EXIST AS A NATION THAT WAS FOUNDED BY WHITE CHRISTIANS
JOHAN WAS ALSO MOCKING COMMUNISTS AND YOU SOMEHOW SAW THIS AS AN ENDORSEMENT OF COMMUNISM
YOU ARE A RETARD
LEAVE MY FUCKING HOBBY ALREADY IF THIS ISN'T AN ELABORATE BAITPOST';

'>>1750798';

'It's up
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-11-8th-of-may-2024.1675078/';

'>>1750798
You are correct and America is probably the best example of a product of mass migration from that time period, but why mention the Ottomans? The Ottomans are a bad example, since they never really settled the Balkans or the Middle East in any significant way. By the start of the game Anatolia was already roach central, this was a product of mass migration which occurred in previous centuries. The ottomans themselves just conquered the Anatolian turks and then they never really Mass migrated anywhere really. I mean even the territory which Turkey possesses on the Balkan peninsula today was turkified slowly during the course of centuries and into the 1800s there were still quite a few greek and bulgar Christians living in that area. Even in the depths of Asia Minor and Anatolia you could find greeks well into the early 1900s. So no the Ottomans are actually not the best case for mass migration at all. They absolutely failed to colonize and ethnically cleanse or assimilate their territories, which is exactly why they lost them relatively easily. By the time the Balkan states became independant the turkish muslims where relatively small minorities which got kicked out and killed off.
Also DON'T TYPE LIKE A MORON';

'lots of new modifiers borrowed from HoI
also, combat speed,
battles will be different';

'I may have severe complaints about the UI we've been shown so far, but damn, this art is fucking gorgeous.

/vst/ bros, is it wrong to feel patriotism for a country from seeing a single cool picture in the internet? I want to make France great again.';

'>>1750818
You have autism and are retarded';

'>And if the launch goes well, I can ask the team to start the map feedback posts later this week!
mapbros lets go';

'>>1750798
>IF THIS ISN'T AN ELABORATE BAITPOST
You literally have autism if you think there's any chance he's being sincere.
Seriously, get yourself checked for it if you haven't already';

'>>1750814
FUCK YOU JOHAN, YOU MAY ACTUALLY MAKE ME TO BUY PARADOX GAMES AGAIN.';

'>>1750818
Napoleon should have won, as russian i will never stop seetheing that Alexander the Bald sided with brits instead of your country.';

'>>1750798
sorry my capslock key broke and i couldn't be assed to hold down shift';

'>>1750818
I like how you can see the faces of the englishmen on the left and they just look some lads from down the pub, including bazza the bowman there nocking his arrow 0.4 seconds before the lancers hit the front lines';

'>>1750824
i've visited /pol/
there are people as retarded as him, i've seen them';

'>>1750829
I'm sorry Anon, but I'm afraid your autism is likely terminal';

'>>1750807
>The Ottomans are a bad example, since they never really settled the Balkans or the Middle East in any significant way.
Even modern Bulgaria is still like 10% Turkish and Greece would've been much the same if not for the population exchanges.';

'There is at least one (1) confirmed way to commit genocide, or at least it should work in case the mechanics are actually functioning properly.

>Draft soldiers from province with unwanted pops.
>Send pops off to be killed by the enemy
>Province becomes majority of the wanted pops, since you've sent off all the minorities to die in a glorious war.

If it doesn't work this way I'll be very sad.';

'>>1750845
the genocide button will be the first thing to be modded in anyway';

'>>1750845
Levy deaths will probably be not that significant in terms of a province's total population, you're not going to be able to depopulate an entire city by drafting everyone.
Also realistically in multi-ethnic provinces levy troops should be disproportionately raised from your primary culture (e.g. Sweden raising troops in Helsinki will raise from the minority Swedish pops and not the Finnish) because those are the pops your state and nobility will have the most control over.';

'>>1750845
Though it sounds like non-accepted pops don't give full levies';

'>no force limit
Damn that's going to be hard to balance
>manpower comes from buildings
>you need to build infrastructure to lower autonomy
Tallbros we're so back';

'>>1750814
>food storage
>logistics and new combat system diaries
damn';

'>>1747397
Genoa or Venice
Mare Nostrum through trade/influence, I will conquer every island and peninsulas and fortify them
Might expand into Italy later on';

'>>1750851
>Conquer province with no or barely any of your culture
>Raise control, build all manpower buildings
>Use levy from said province until population drops to low enough level
>Use whatever mechanics there is to promote/migrate your main pop
Yeah it's not
>"Genocide everyone!"
button but so far it looks like a perfect early game way to quickly spread your culture and make it majority sooner';

'>>1750843
Yes they are a horrible example, because turks never made up more than 25 to 30% of the population of countries like Greece and Bulgaria. In some parts of the balkans you never even had turkish minorities. After like 400 to 600 (depending on the region) years of consistent ottoman rule of the peninsula... You call that an example of historic mass migration? All it took to get rid of the small turkish minorities in these countries was a few small scale population exchanges. Now look at the USA after 500 years of constant european mass migration to north America. There ain't a lot of injuns left are there? And what about South America? Yeah it's pretty mixed because the spaniards insistence on fucking the locals, but still. Pure blooded amerindians are a minority in most latinx countries today. The turks had literal centuries and they failed to properly colonize the relatively underpopulated region of the Balkans. What a fucking joke. This is why they represent a bad example. Because they failed and as I said before this is why they lost these territories. The Americas are a good example of a rapid mass migration permanently replacing the local populations, the ottomans are not. They barely mass migrated within their own borders at all.
>>1750864
What were the anglo saxon invasions? How were Hungary and Bulgaria formed? How did the turks become the majority population in Anatolia and Asia Minor? etc
Just because the ottomans specifically are a bad example doesn't mean that medieval mass migrations which lead to complete genetic or at least cultural and linguistic replacement didn't happen.';

'>>1750876
>The Americas are a good example of a rapid mass migration permanently replacing the local populations
Moved goalposts. No one said anything about it being rapid or "permanent replacement".
The point is that Bulgaria and Greece having significant Turkish populations means there was in fact a Turkish mass migration. It doesn't matter if they didn't do it to the entire Balkans or if their empire ultimately collapsed or if it took hundreds of years or if the colonization of the Americas did it more. A statistically significant number of Turkish people moved from Anatolia into some Balkan countries during the EU time period, that's a mass migration.';

'>>1750879
I am not shilling a modern day agenda you fucking moron. Where in my post did I say that I think having roaches in Germany was good thing? What I'm saying is that historically hordes of people did in fact move from one region to another and they did end up replacing the local population. This should be represented in a history game.
I'm asking again. Explain to me what where the anglo-saxon invasions? How was Hungary formed etc. Are these not mass migrations of people?';

'>>1750864
>>1750875
>>1750879
Haha, isn't it epic being so cynical and contrarian you have to invent things to get angry about?';

'>>1750883
why are you engaging the retard in good faith?
you're talking to a /gsg/tard who was mindbroken by how /vst/ as a collective reacted to vicky 3 and as such is constantly shitting on the one paradox game people here are cautiously excited for.';

'>>1750882
Ok I agree. A statistically significant number of turks moved in the Balkans over the course of over half a millennium of constant turk rule and then got kicked out in a few decades. I guess it's an example of mass migration, but I still wouldn't use it as a go to example since the turks sucked so much at it.';

'>>1750885
whenever you hear bitching about le /gsg/ it’s always followed by the most obvious tranny posting
wonder whats up with that';

'Let us stop talking about cringe mass migrations 'replacing' a local population, and instead talk about the far more wholesome alternative of breeding different cultures together.

Do you guys think we'll be able to unite cultures like in CK3, such as French and Germans, and create the Project Caesar Ubermensch? Imagine what the mix of a Dutch and a Jew could result in? You'd have the greediest, most influential people in the whole world.';

'>>1750886
that only happens if you enable the multiculturalism law you retard
>BUT VICKY 3 DID IT
meds, schizo etc, there is no proof of this being the case in project caesar';

'>>1750888
>everything I don't like is le trannies
Again, I'm going to try and kill as many brown people (in the game) as humanly possible when EU5 drops.';

'>development diary is about warfare
>some autist derails the entire thread talking about migration';

'K E K
E
K';

'>>1750893
Vicky 3 and EU5 are being developed by two different leads with vastly different design philosophies, dumbass.
You're getting angry about a game that hasn't even been released yet, with some retarded headcanon about it having the exact le same migration system as V3.';

'>>1750892
he does this in every project caesar thread';

'>>1750898
How about you shut up and stop speculating like this before you end up looking like a complete retard when the game releases and your boogeyman of LE MOSLEMS EVERYWHERE doesn't materialise you fucking retarded nigger';

'>>1750891
Kek. This tranny is now trying to prove to anons that its based and racist.
Point at it and laugh. Bloody kek lads.';

'>>1750901
>STOP NOTICING THAT THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE POZZED WOKE DOGSHIT
>okay, do you have any evidence of this?
>UHHHHHHH VICTORIA 3
I hope there's a migration dev diary and you outright fucking lie about its contents to perpetuate your own delusional beliefs.';

'>>1750888
>always followed by the most obvious tranny posting
Yeah, from you';

'>nearly 3 months of these threads
>we still have lobotomites that reply to the tranny
there really is just no hope';

'>>1750888
This "tehehe, I'm so snarky and critical" attitude is something I've only seen from trannies. Women do the "I only speak in sarcasm" thing, but the smug pretense of intelligence is an exclusively tranny behavior.';

'>>1750892
I think it's one guy replying to himself desu';

'if units passively drain manpower continuously by existing does it mean more countries will ramp up their recruitment/armies while at war and later on disband them
how will that work with mercenaries';

'>>1750911
>how will that work with mercenaries
you hire them for a set amount of time like 2 years';

'>>1750911
I assume that with pops there is an incentive to having smaller armies since these could be draining from economic potential';

'>>1750911
I think white female pops will passively drain sperm from black male pops balls for sure';

'>>1750913
I preferred it when you weren't LARPing as a right winger and were instead sperging out and posting ms paint Polish strawmen at anyone who thought Vicky 3 was bad.';

'>>1750911
Regular troops requiring manpower as upkeep means you can't just hire infinity regular troops, you need the actual trained manpower to staff them. So you can push more of your manpower into actual units while at war, but it'll drain your manpower quickly because it outpaces your ability to recruit and train more men
The way it looks, units have "Strength" which seems to function like unit Strength in HoI or Victoria, basically if a regiment/brigade/division is under-strength it functions at a fraction of its power, if Strength is zero it basically only exists on paper and does nothing in combat
So I assume being out of manpower and unable to replenish it would drain a unit's strength over time as losses mount and can't be replaced

>how will that work with mercenaries
You hire them for a set period and they have nothing to do with manpower. I bet they have their own manpower pool';

'>>1750918
i prefer schizos to not reply to me thanks';

'>>1750920
Noticing what, you fucking retarded schizo? Nothing has been revealed about the migration system in project Caesar yet. You're like all those dumbasses on /vg/ who get angry about hypothetical woke changes like fag capes for Helldivers 2.
>>1750922
>no ur le schizo';

'>>1750798
DAMN
robbie status = buckbroken';

'I really really hope that PDS finally manages to make an AI that isn't retarded enough to fight every single war to the death';

'>>1750894
I will defend this because in the same map there's also Köln, Praha and Kraków, it seems like its an early version of culture based province names but also applied to trade nodes that they haven't fully implemented it to all provinces/nodes yet. That said I don't think the Ukranian language existed in 1337.';

'>>1750935
more importantly I hope peace deals allow for negotiating back and forth plus letting both parties make concessions and obtain benefits';

'>>1750806
>The size of a regiment varies over time, with the earliest Infantry Regiments using 100 men, while at the end of the game, there are around 3,200 men in each infantry regiment. Cavalry, Artillery, and Auxiliary units have different sizes.

now thats already 1 step to the right direction';

'>>1750938
This is in Vicky 3 and it's shit, just ends up letting you do things like trade 1 state to Britain for all of India.';

'>>1750947
no it isnt, in vic3 you have to choose wargoals before the war starts';

'This all seems too good to be true, wheres the catch?';

'>>1750950
yes but you can use the wargoals from both sides in the peace';

'>>1750935
what I’m understanding is: be quick with wars
and the longer a war goes on the bigger the sunken cost fallacy will be
you want to take one or two provinces? occupy them quickly - maybe fight a bit with nation responding, but if after that the AI goes "I'll just lose more if I keep going, I give up" that is order of magnitude better than EU4';

'>>1750961
>but if after that the AI goes "I'll just lose more if I keep going, I give up"
shit mechanic, the player will death war over a shitty province until they win but the AI can't? The player will never surrender after losing 1-2 battles, they will keep fighting until they win. This makes the game significantly easier since the AI is now no longer as capable as the player.';

'>>1750963
Death warring in eu4 means you lose manpower for 10 years and maybe go bankrupt for 5 years and then everything is normal again. In this game it looks more like a costly war will cost you 50 years or more of pain, or maybe even a permanently damaged economy from the loss of pops';

'>>1750967
Vic2 players still deathwar over irrelevant shit all the time.';

'Is it Kyiv in CK3 and Vic3 too?';

'>>1750955
It's going to run like shit';

'>>1750971
That's because they're retarded and who the fuck plays Vicky 2 mp';

'>>1750974
EU5 is going to become about the 100 years war because of this, no one is going to reach 1492 or do anything colonial.';

'>>1750975
>and who the fuck plays Vicky 2 mp
the only people who play vic2 still are mpfags';

'>>1750981
Good. Yet another Crusader Kings for medieval enjoyers, except maybe this time we'll actually get the Crusades we rightfully deserve. Let's be honest, does anyone actually ever play outside of Europe?';

'>>1750981
You keep bringing this up as if you're extremely offended about how the start date works. If you value colonization that much then just download a 1444 mod when the game comes out';

'>>1750997
>just download a 1444 mod when the game comes out
creating a proper new startdate will require considerable more effort than in past pdx games you brainlet';

'>>1750997
>just download a 1444 mod
>when modding is going to be dead for EU5 due to 3D characters, half-baked pop system, and a gorillion provinces
There wont be a 1444 mod, there isn't a 1399 or 1453 start date mod for EU4 so there won't be a 1444 start date mod for EU5.';

'>>1751009
EU4 is shit so the starting date hardly makes any difference to the overall scenario, so there's no reason to make one';

'>>1751009
i dunno why yall chimping out this bad when it comes to the new starting date. all we need is good anti blobbing mechanics and this shit where each regiment has an associated pop it’s raised from and if the regiment is stackwiped the pop dies sounds like exactly the kinda anti blob mechanic we needed';

'>>1751023
They just like to complain.';

'>>1751007
Paradox titles have no shortage of autists that will find a way to revamp the game to fill whatever niche you want
>>1751009
>there isn't alternative start date mods for eu4';

'>>1751007
And? We have Paradox modders hacking CK3 into an arena fighter.';

'>>1751026
>>1751027
you have no clue what you are talking about, tags and pops will kill startdates
vic3 still doesn't have another one and the states are far more simplified compared to eu5';

'>>1751028
Vic3 is also a shit game with a handful of people that actually enjoy it';

'>>1751028
vicky 3 doesn't need a second start date because the game is literally only 100 years long';

'I am excited about the new economics but I don't trust paradox do to it properly because Vic3 is such a fucking mess built by retards. Hopefully the MEIOU and taxes people can have the economy working properly by 2030.
The thing that really irritates me about EU4 is governments were still mostly collecting taxes by random poll taxes, having a more or less stable monthly tax income is stupid. It would be nice if EU5 fixed it so you could tax the fuck out of your nobles/merchant lords but risk rebellion or them simply refusing to give you money, and if you could invest in trade missions like the Venetians, VOC, etc. But I would settle for functional multidirectional trade routes, AI capable of making intelligent financial decisions, and no black hole bullshit like Vic2 relies on.';

'>>1751042
there's a slider for taxing the estates seperately. and it will make them more angry the more you tax them.';

'>EU5 is being made by the retards that created M&T 3.0
Seems like the doomposting about EU5 running like shit performance wise has some weight to it. Must be why Johan hasn't bragged about how the game uses multiple cores or addressed "late" game lag.';

'>>1750894
I use kyiv exclusively purely for the sheer nuclear asshurt a zigger has anytime they see it. truly the most autistic thing to come out of the entire war shitflinging';

'>>1751048
M&T runs like shit because it's a mod trying to frankenstein EU4 into something it was never designed for. That's not comparable at all to an entirely new game.';

'>>1751048
it's probably too early in the development cycle for him to say whether it's going to run well or not. If it's anything like ck3 then it'll be fine, if not a little worse. looks like i finally have an excuse to retire my 1060 thoughever';

'>>1751048
I can run meiou on an integrated 1 GB gpu/12 years old CPU and listen to my favourite romaboo podcast in the background. upgrade your toaster grandpa';

'>>1751080
you can "run" the game at 2 speed, with 6 second long pauses for it calculate the monthly ticks';

'>>1751052
>I use ky-ACK!!';

'>>1751081
still counts';

'>>1751081
well it's speed 4 desu! takes around 70 sec to pass a year and the only annoying lags are the first of jan and feb ones';

'Damn this thread turned to tranny shit fast.';

'>>1751099
>700 seconds every 10 years
>1 hour to get through 10 years
barely counts as "playing"';

'>>1751123
An hour is 3600 seconds';

'>>1751124
>eurotard math';

'>Ukrainian "culture" separate from the rest of eastern slavic cultures
Shit game, BS similar to how Turkish is in the levantine culture group.';

'>>1751126
he right, 10 years takes about 15 minutes /w pauses';

'>>1750972
Yeah, it’s in all the new titles';

'>>1750972
>>1751140
Its over, Paradox has fallen.';

'>>1751128
The changed culture groups in EU4 for game play reasons. Turks used to be in the turkic group and shit like Hungarians where their own separate group.';

'I don't know why everyone keeps spouting the "made by the M&T team" thing, it's one guy and he helped with the 14th century population research
it's like saying "victoria 3 is made by the TNO team" because pacifica got hired as a content monkey
This happens with lots of games too, a former modder will be hired by the developer and players will go "WHOOA THEY HIRED THE TEAM IT'S LIKE X MOD BUT A WHOLE GAME" and it amounts to nothing because they just become a wagie following someone else's plan';

'>>1751238
because the game takes heavy inspiration from m&t, even Johan said so';

'>>1750963
the player would have the option of throwing away more men and money so they can take that shitty province, despite it being a huge waste which destroys their national economy
if people want to play suboptimally that's their choice, but I very much like the idea that the optimal way is to cut your losses instead of fighting to the bitter end';

'>>1750972
Yes, Kyiv is the new normal. Same as Czechia and Türkiye.';

'>>1751246
I don't get whats wrong with that, it happens all the time. Persia renamed themselves Iran in the 1930's, Rhodesia renamed themselves Zimbabwe decades ago, Macedonia renamed themselves North Macedonia a few years ago. A country can choose to be called what they want, China and Germany lets themselves be called whatever and if they wanted to they could be called by their real names and it wouldn't be a big deal.';

'I hope you're able to raze cities to the ground and kill the entire population like the mongols did to Baghdad.';

'>>1751256
eu5: billions must die';

'>population mechanics with diseases mechanics
Bioweapons kino';

'>>1751259
Deliberately spreading the plague to unhygienic europoids is gonna be so kino.';

'>>1751252
Agree, except with the North Macedonia name. The Greeks basically forced that name on them.';

'>>1751257
>billions
I don't even think the world population was more than the billion, to being with.';

'>>1750845
>genocide
Solution for those who fail all better ones
I would rather erase every culture beside single one, which i would promote as The Human culture, which eventually will be accepted by everyone who want to have human rights.';

'>>1750818
Is that the Black Prince? How goated of a general will they make him? How will Paradox deal with Joan of Arc?';

'>>1751308
world size inflation will probably end up happening anyway lol. just think about how giant the armies are in eu4 by even 1550. I guess armies being pegged to pops and resources might help but who knows what power creep will look like in this game';

'>>1751311
Only works if your game is pretending human races are biologically identical.';

'>>1751252
The difference is those happened before anon was personally born in a post history world and all changes after he was old enough to experience and disagree with them are "political"';

'>>1751086
like clockwork lmao';

'>>1751368
Also the examples he gave (Persia and Rhodesia) was way back when your average joe in the west didn't really give a fuck about those countries, while the new name changes have been in Europe, close to the civilized world.';

'>>1751375
>like cl-ACK!';

'>>1751252
I don't recognize any of those name changes
Turkey, Rhodesia, Persia, Kiev
Checkmate';

'>>1751252
Turkey is the most retarded example
We must spell out their shithole with letters that aren't even in the English alphabet
Kyeev is also funny since it's basically only an English change, other languages still keep it to whatever it's called, like Chiovia for Italian but who also just spell it Kiev';

'>>1751426
Isn't it weird all these name changes are being made by third or second world countries insecure about their identities? Bharat-India, Türkiye-Turkey,Kyiv-Ukraine.';

'>>1750986
I never play in Europe';

'>>1751426
>>1751442
"Kyiv" is the only one I could get behind because it was at least a political byproduct of the recent war and part of the "derussification" of the Ukranian language that the Ukranian government is trying to make. But yeah, Bharat and Kürkiye are just mindless tantrums.';

'>>1751445
>YOU HAVE TO SPELL IT MY WAY NO MATTER WHAT
is always a bitch move.';

'>>1747397
Venice';

'>>1751442
3rd world inferiority complex
But 1st world cuck attitude who accommodate it';

'>>1751246
>>1751252
>>1751408
>>1751445
>zoomers
it was Kyiv in USSR just like Chernobyl was Chornobil, etc, the only opposition was the actual people living there Westoids and everyone else had it as Kiev except the commies (nobody cares about ukr opinion until leftoids (commies included) needed to virtue signal)';

'>>1751442
>Czechia, not Czech Republic
>Netherlands, not Holland
Guess you're retarded';

'>>1751537
Still call them Czech Republic and Holland. I have never been corrected on this in person or online. I have been corrected regarding Kyiv or Türkiye though.';

'It's over. The game will be balanced to favor shitters who ruin their countries in dumb total wars and don't want to face the consequences for it.';

'>>1751625
>offhand comment is proof of it being over
shazamposters are retarded 80% of the time';

'>>1751625
>multiplayer
who cares';

'kek it over for paracocks lads.

literalys communism in the medieval era, mass moslem migrations to white homeland, and fucking””””””Kyiv””””””.

top bloody keks lads. schlomo up to old tricks again. do not buy this pozzed piece of globo homo crap.';

'It worries me that he's using every excuse possible to not tie manpower directly to pops.';

'>>1751426
>>1751475
Ukraine owns Kyiv, they have a right to name it whatever they want. Just like how the same communist you bring up renamed St.Petersburg into Leningrad lmao. Localized names and renames are up to the owners, Kyiv is Kyiv and not Kiev for as long as Ukraine wants it to be.';

'@1751634
(You)
>>1751649
I'm sure he has a good reason.';

'>>1751654
>renamed st.petersburg into leningrad
Umm ackshually they renamed petrograd into leningrad. The soviets weren't the ones that changed st.petersburg.';

'>>1751649
>abstract manpower
Wonder if they even have mercenaries done properly or if they pull manpower from nowhere.';

'>>1751566
Calling The Netherlands Holland is incorrect. Holland is a province inside the Netherlands, so calling the entire country Holland would be like calling the United States Virginia.';

'>>1751659
Someone on the forum asked if your peasant pops join a company and it gets wiped out, do you lose your pops.
Johan confirmed.';

'>>1751339
>How will Paradox deal with Joan of Arc?
Meme path in which she becomes crowned Queen of France.';

'>>1751339
>How will Paradox deal with Joan of Arc?
Auxiliary unit that adds morale bonus in combat, if it gets defeated she's captured by the English and gangbanged on screen';

'>>1751669
Queen of Normandy and England*';

'>>1751654
>they have a right to name it whatever they wan
of course, in ukrainian
they can't dictate the name of it in english however';

'Is it Wien or Vienna?';

'>>1751705
Wiedeń';

'>>1751339
They're gonna make him actually black, we should leave european history to the japs.';

'>>1750806
Yeah, it was fun for a while, took longer to flop this time, almost believed they would do something good this time';

'>>1751705
Vindobona';

'>>1750806
Quite sure he said army tradition was bloat and look at it in there';

'>>1751753
he said army professionalism was the bloat because army tradition already existed';

'>>1751339
The whole hundred years war was so crazy that I have a feeling it is beyond paradox's capabilities to replicate it in a satisfying way. I mean, England should be the premier military power in europe at the start of the game, how will they account for it falling behind and transitioning to a naval power in the renaissance? What if the player steamrolls france in the first 10 years? What about all of the random shit that changed the course of war completely like crecy or agincourt, or joan of arc appearing? I get that its alternate history, but setting it this far back could make the game radically different by the time of the renaissance when the meat of the game takes place.';

'>>1751654
I bet you say beijing instead of peking.';

'>>1750971
>death warring over stupid shit in the 19th-early 20th century
That’s called RP';

'>>1751759
I'm Dutch and we do in fact still say Peking, I think it's only Anglos who switched to Beijing';

'>>1751705
Bécs';

'>>1751649
This makes sense though. It means when the barracks or whatever drafts a peasant into the army, they don't just immediately disappear but stay as a peasant working the fields until the levy is actually raised.';

'>>1748778
This
>>1748817
Mutt trying to pretend he knows history. Contemporary Europeans insulted them constantly by calling it the Empire of the Greeks, which it was. We call it the Byzantine Empire to name it more accurately. Calling it the Roman Empire would be materially misleading and Empire of the Greeks would be even more insulting, even if it would be more accurate.';

'>>1747736
Obviously Byzantine Empire. Calling it ERE is for Paradoxdrones, who are at the height of Dunning-Kruger.';

'>>1750814
This game really is Imperator: Rome 2, lol. So many mechanics straight from there.';

'>>1751759
Yes, also its Nanjing and not Nanking.';

'>>1751790
>we call it
I'm not a muttnigger like you beithoughever';

'>>1751654
I call it kiev
problem chuddie?';

'>>1751705
Vienne';

'>>1751705
Weiners';

'>>1751757
never seen the anglos winning the 100 years war in meiou. and its strange cuz theyre so OP in the beggining of the game';

'It's Manahattan, not Manhattan.';

'>>1751790
>>1751792
"Byzantine" didn't even exist as a word until the enlightenment
Using that denomination in 1337 would be anachronistic';

'>>1751853
Yeah but Empire of the Greeks would cause even more seething.';

'>>1751829
I'm going to say it:
kyiv
cope and seethe more';

'>>1751842
>anglos
stop using this word when you mean 'england' or 'english', its gay internet speak that makes you look like a retard. besides, the english forces in the hundred years war were just as much norman and welsh and aquitanian as they were 'anglo saxon'.';

'>>1751566
Calling it Holland to own the provincials is a flex move.';

'>>1751654
I call it Kiev because ("-yi-", with "y" acting as a vowel) isn't an actual phoneme in my language and its phonemic approximations "íi" and "íyi" sound fucking gay.

>>1751788
This';

'>>1747833
This is the only correct answer.';

'Alright next thread no arguing about kiev/kyiv and no arguing about rome/byzantine ok?';

'>>1751654
so twitter is X?';

'>>1751843
It's Manitobah, not Manitoba.';

'>>1751917
>Anglo
>Gay internet speak
Tell me that you're retarded without telling me that you're retarded';

'>>1751917
shut up, pseudo Anglo mutt!';

'>>1752034
Prairies mentioned!';

'>>1751842
Its the moving troops across the channel issue. Even by Paradox standards EU4 handles amphibious landings badly.';