'It began as nonhumans sacrificing humans. Compare the size of the two in your picrel.';

'>>37806749
Based symbol logic adept
Also skin color is different';

'>>37806749
>>37806757
What about this one, some kind of demon or alien is sitting on top of the steps demanding hearts.';

'>>37806800';

'>>37806738
magic / communing of spirits & higher powers demands exotic energies. sex magic, blood magic, sacrifice, drug consumption, pain, & pleasure are energetically potent, we live inside of a metaphysical industry that farms dreams, in other words our creative energies / actions, in other words 'loosh' (its not just negative, but most things that wish to 'deal' with us are the bad ones, look at how fucked up we are, its no wonder).';

'>>37807103
source?';

'>>37806738
It's fun';

'>>37806738
Maybe it has something to do with serial killers and their weird psyche ending up in priestal positions. Or maybe there were genuinely entities that demanded blood sacrifice a la Moloch, YHWH, Quetzalcoatl, various Greek pantheon deities and what have you.

In fact, the only religions I can think of off the top of my head that are actively oppositional/hostile to blood sacrifice are Jainism and Buddhism.';

'>>37806800
Checked.

https://youtu.be/FqOj53CZjvs?si=IZ5tVORABPPRPdrX';

'Ignorance';

'>>37806738
What is the crucifiction and rituals of the catholics if not a substitution for human sacrifice ?

If anyone here has watched Vikings, you remember the episode where Aethelstan has the revelation about religion ? Where the catholic mass is pretty much the same as the northmen and their human sacrifice rituals every 9 years, only difference being is that on the surface the catholics only symbolically "sacrifice".

All religion, all masses are based on sacrifice.
And nothing holds more power than a human sacrifice, especially an innocent human (child).
Why ? Because we are the most powerful beings. Or at least in these meat vessels reside the most powerful beings.';

'>>37807224
Buddhists dont mind blood sacrifices, they just prefer to be the offered blood.';

'>>37807458
>If anyone here has watched goyslop
no';

'all sacrifice was for the old gods who were here on earth. after they are gone humans just keep doing it cus we are retarded';

'Pay attention to the ethneogens consumed in the cultures it arises in VS those it doesnt';

'>>37806738
It was a way for kings to kill people they didn’t like';

'>>37806738
There was the supernatural aspect but I will avoid going into detail to avoid fanatic discussion that doesn't accomplish anything. Primarily human sacrifice is a form of dark alchemy because every living thing contains energy death produces a massive amount of spiritual energy that can be channeled towards many purposes.';

'>>37807224
Wasn't Quetzalcoatl the only one that DISLIKED human sacrifice?';

'>>37808289
Yes he instituted ritual king blood magic to substitute sacrifice of the smallfolk.';

'technically, it is animal sacrifice that is truly global. while I still agree that human sacrifice is also global, there are many exceptions around the world to show that it was not the norm...at least from traditions that we are aware of.';

'>>37808207

makes sense for the time, happens today too but too complicated, regarding crminal charges and whatnot';

'>>37808373
The entire court system is a form of magic but I don't want to cause mass hysteria so that is all I will say.';

'>>37808398
>The entire court system is a form of magic

I never bothered looking at it that way, but I guess it correlates.';

'>>37808398
C'mon anon, you don't like a little pandemonium?';

'Human sacrifice is very old. See "The Golden Bough" by Frazer:

https://sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/gb02402.htm';

'>>37806749
looks like child sacrifice to me';

'>>37806738
Moloch is a byname for Yahweh. It is the manifestation in which he collects foreskins.

Mammon is the manifestation in which he collects tithe.';

'>>37806738
Aztecs did not practice human sacrifice on a large scale, that’s a spanish myth. In fact they killed a fraction as many people per capita in state executions as any european contemporary';

'>>37808207
It's mentioned briefly in Anton Wilson's Illuminatus trilogy.';

'>>37811267
they killed enough to get the entire continent to help random invaders';

'>>37812253
Funny how that works.';

'>>37812273
yea, waging periodic war on the other nations and demanding hostages for sacrifice tends to do that';

'>>37811189
Look into the Isiah 1-39 retraction and its implications about human sacrifice';

'>>37807976
can you elaborate?';

'>>37806738
>kill enemies and retards
>wow the world is a better place
now let's get down to business, was it good or bad';

'>>37806738
It's easier to control the population when the elites can sacrifice the plebs';

'>>37806738
>Aztecs sacrifice a billion Aztecians to the sun god for a good harvest
>Oxford University was founded more than 300 years before the Aztec empire was founded
Truly we are all equals';

'>>37806800
(((aztecs))) were (((neanderthals)))
and cartels carry on the tradition.';

'>>37806738
We still do this, capital offenders are routinely imprisoned and executed and is a normal part of the maintenance of a state. That evil people fear it so little really makes an argument for the practice of corporal punishment too, one of the many reasons societies are failing today.';

'>>37812520
I mean at this point 90% of the population is jews by conspiracy standards';

'>>37812733
read starship troops recently eh?';

'The short answer: Scarcity

The long answer:
Ancient society barely had enough to take care of everyone. Farms would have regular famine, raids for food were common, dry seasons or wandering plagues of insects would mean entire months worth of food just gone in the blink of an eye.

People are confused, angry, and worst of all HUNGRY. Hunger is what drives every motive on this planet. Hunger is the most primeval emotion man can suffer under and will always suffer from. Hunger doesn't discriminate. Hunger has caused every militaristic movement at its core. Societies have risen and fallen due to hunger.

Hunger is the most powerful concept on this planet and the elite powers, to this day, still do their best to satiate hunger in all of its forms.

In the past, leaders had to explain why crops died even when they didn't know. Leaders had to recognize the power of the Sun which fed agriculture. Leaders had to count bushels and recognize that they wouldn't make it through a dry season or cold season with everyone present.

And so, they found a way to mystify human sacrifice. A culling of numbers (usually those who did not fit social conformity or were enemies of the leadership caste) to increase what remained for everyone else.';

'>>37812365
He's saying the drug usage of the priestly caste led to demonic influence which resulted in a demonic thirst for mass human sacrifice
So muh DMT entities are the same entities which influenced the Aztecs to commit mass ritual human sacrifice';

'undefined';

'>>37807224
>>37808289
If I remember Quetzalcoatl was ironically a very chill guy. He just loved cocoa and cooming in mortals. Very based.';

'>>37812813
partly correct, but desu you don't really need drugs for demons to tell you what to do. drugs in general are just used to invoke a sensitive state in general. the greeks believed that mad-men were inspired, I wouldn't be surprised if the aztecs were the same way';

'>>37814474
The mormons say quazicotle was just a form of jesus..weird stuff for sure';

'>>37812253
>the entire continent';

'>>37806738
The origin is much father back. Over 32.000 years ago technologies were established to connect with the deeper realms, a place where humans go after death and other beings and things reside throught all their existence.

Such communication could be facilitated either through decades long mental disciplines and training or using specific scientific devices and taking a human life. People were murdered on an industrial scale at times to facilitate contact with beings from deeper places.

Many thousands of years later the origin was forgotten and people were simply sacrificed to the gods for various reasons, from ensuring the rising of the sun to providing good harvest.';

'>>37812483
Aztec cities were the biggest, cleanest, most sophisticated urban environments in the world in the 1400s. Oxford was a shit-filled backwater. Read primary accounts, the conquistadors were completely awestruck by central mexico and said nothing in Europe came anywhere close';

'>>37814793
They also lost it after attending their religious ceremonies... They witnessed them sacrifice men and eat them after.

the pleb were eating war prisonners in the hundreds.

They had a nice place but it was under evil control for millenia.

The list of absurdly crazy behaviors down there can easily make you lose all your sanity points for good.

read the early texts, they were awful people. the normal native american were the mound builder culture and they fought and killed the ancestor of the evil ones for good in their time. The Anazazi/Pueblo were that kind of assholes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ey5worZ3EQ';

'>>37814826
Again, compare them to contemporary Europe and they were killing a fraction as many of their own people, and it’s not like Euros didn’t have a fair amount of horrific superstitions. The only reason the Aztecs come out looking bad is historical racism and Spanish propaganda.
Any quantitative, statistics-based analysis makes it abundantly clear that Mexica was as good of a place to live as anywhere on earth in its time.';

'>>37814906
no, they were fucked up people in central and south america
the good ones were north

sane men lost their mind witnessing human sacrifices and wide spread cannibalism
nothing of the sort was happening in europe

look at central and south america right now, narco states with no regard for human lives

pretty sure modern men would simply faint at the sight of what the Spanish saw back then.';

'>>37814953
>nothing of the sort was happening in europe
please go read literally any history of europe in the 1400s';

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1U2Gp2dtN0';

'>>37814980
I know my history, especially of the 1400.

Prisonners of war back in the day could pay a ranson and be free again. war in this time was a business more than anything else... the 100 years war was just that... fight on thuesday and thursday afternoon, when it wasnt raining. Pleb couldnt hit nobles, it was illegal kek so they had to run vs knights. anyway, nobody was eating the other side while on mushrooms.';

'>>37808289
You find his intertwined serpent symbol all across the world. He's actually a predeluvian God from the Olmecs and further back, which makes me wonder if the "Gods" that came later are something else. One of the stories of the Toltec involve them switching to a new pantheon of blood sacrifice "gods" and driving him out(Toltec come after olmec and are postdeluvian)';

'>>37815003
ngl you sound dumb as shit';

'>>37815007
yep, pretty much
the civilization restarters, the white/albino men, did a number there and when they came back a few years later after their america tour, the place was already lost to evil and they were chased away... its a fucking cursed land and people down there';

'this old guy is pretty cool
he rips the Bering Land Bridge Theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz0MPOr9jas';

'>>37806738
It’s a fascinating topic even from a purely historical perspective. While Moloch and Mesoamerica are notable examples, they’re by no means the only ones. Pretty much every region of the world practiced human sacrifice to some extent. The scythians, for example, also used human sacrifice as a core element of their rituals, and their reason for doing so seemed to be the belief that human life had to be returned to the gods one way or another similarly to the Aztecs. In Korea there’s a story of a king who went to a village in which young girls were thrown into the ocean to appease a sea serpent deity. It’s clear that even at this time the majority of people viewed the practice as barbaric, because the king chose to toss the village priest in as punishment and ended the practice. Even in Christian Europe, the practice of witch burning could potentially be viewed as a form of human sacrifice. All in all, I think there are three major motivations across cultures. 1. Resource scarcity making human life cheap. 2. Vulnerability to and intense fear of nature. 3. A belief that human lives belong to the gods/heaven (which is probably derived from the first two).

Though whatever the case it seems very counterintuitive from an evolutionary standpoint that humans would develop this tendency with seemingly no purpose';

'>>37815274
I have never seen a single piece of reliable ethnographic or archaeological evidence that widespread human sacrifice has ever been an institution in any human society.
Aztecs? Bullshit.
Moloch? Bullshit.
Scythians? Bullshit.
It’s all bullshit lies and just-so stories when you dig into it. It’s always just some shit that bigots make up about their enemies.';

'>>37815513
I have never seen a single piece of reliable ethnographic or archaeological evidence that widespread human killings has ever been an institution in any human society.
Nazis ? Bullshit
Japan ? Bullshit
Khmer Rouge ? Bullshit
It’s all bullshit lies and just-so stories when you dig into it. It’s always just some shit that bigots make up about their enemies.';

'>>37806738
Are human sacrifices that bad? It seems like Mexico is going down the shitter ever since they stopped sacrificing people. I think Spaniards were just massive pussies and chimped out for no reason';

'>>37815702
>It seems like Mexico is going down the shitter ever since they stopped sacrificing people.
but like did they really? people go missing and killed by the hundreds in mexico every day , i bet the sacrifices still happen just not as direct and open as back in the day';

'>>37815654
It was in Central America

that's what they were doing with their war prisoners and their pro athletes
Sunday mass communion was enemy meat day ffs
the whole pop were practicing cannibalism';

'btw with lidar data, they estimate the pop to be 10 times bigger. They found tons of fortifications and defensive earthworks. These guys were warring and they had plenty of human ressources. Instead of doing like the euro, war for profits, they were doing this for their gods... the religious powers were in charge. They also had serious consanguinity problems. There are plenty of club foot men bas reliefs.';

'>>37814607
I know you hate the spanish for kicking your ass, but they couldn't do it without the aztecs being assholes. seethe more about it paco

>>37814793
the spaniards were awe-struck by tenochtitlan, which the aztecs told them they just moved into after discovering it.';

'>>37815513
Aztecs had illustrations depicting human sacrifice, sacrificial grounds, and pyramids of severed heads. Scythians had corpses of ritualistically executed lower tribe members buried alongside nobles. Moloch/Baal worshipping peoples had urns with the cremated remains of infants inside. While this itself is not definitive proof of child sacrifice, the fact that they are recorded by the Isrealites, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Babylonians, and numerous other civilizations as having done so seems to indicate that it’s true. And again looking at documented witch burnings in medieval Europe, the idea of people ritualistically killing members of their own society out of religious superstition does not seem far fetched';

'>>37806800
Different race of creatures. Probably larger and with longer lifespans. Like the Pillar Men.';

'>>37807448
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purushamedha

No.';

'>>37819449
>Moloch/Baal worshipping peoples had urns with the cremated remains of infants inside
Infants whose demography happens to be an EXACT MATCH for premodern perinatal mortality
They weren’t sacrificing babies you stupid fuck, tophet is just a goddamn cemetery';

'>>37816515
The aztecs/mexicas were just barbarian Aridoamerican scum tribe that got bullied out of Aztlan/California by other American Native tribes. They were just savages larping as civilized Mesoamericans.';

'>>37806738
They still practice it now at the highest echelons of power';

'>>37820105
source';

'>>37810483
its not even that far into the book too, the first few chapters discuss human sacrifice rituals in Greece, though admittedly how they were slowly dummied out as civilization rolled in.';

'>>37820183
they were given up by the time of Homer; the only myth/pseudo-record of Greek human sacrifice was Iphigenia in the Troy story';

'>>37806800
You all know John Dee's obsidian scrying mirror was from the Aztecs right?';

'>>37806738
It's a simple observation. To achieve something you have to take away something.
If it's something material (like a house) you take something quantifiable (like time and labor of people). If it's health and life you take away the life of animals.
So people thought, what if want a high status or immortality, you have to take away the lives of either a lot of animals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecatomb
or a human.

See picrel. I think there is something to it. People that give a lot receive a lot. Think about all the kings and conqueror that so to speak sacrificed thousands of people and plundered their wealth. They got immortalized in human history.

>"The difference between the man who rules in the castle and the other man who is chained in the castle-dungeon is the difference between success and failure. There is a strong affinity between the criminal and the conqueror. If Washington, for example, had failed, he would (most probably) have been hunted down and hung as an outlaw and traitor. However, he “won” by FORCE, and consequently, became.a mighty potentate. King David was a sheep-stealer and blackmailer until he triumphed. Then he became “a man after God’s own heart.”! William the Norman was also a criminal, and fifty per cent of his invading army were exiled outlaws, but by conquest he became king of England, and his followers blossomed into nobles."
>"If a man steals a horse or a steer he is lynched (if captured) as an “enemy of society,” but if he steals the value of a million horses by wrecking a savings bank he is straightway made a Senator or knighted." - Might is Right
>"Here is one who steals a hook (for his girdle) – he is put to death for it: here is another who steals a state – he becomes its prince." - The Sacred Books of China';

'>>37806738
>aztecs
>moloch worshippers
not comparable.
MLKfags were doing for greed, Aztecs were trying to save the world
shouldn't you be pointing out how sacrificing a christ raises the same eyebrows too instead?';

'Bump';

'bump';

'>>37820433
it's simpler than that
Souls have to go through barriers to get here and when they do, they make temp holes. They facilitate com between here and the deeper realms.
So it makes your com attempts easier to get through as well as their replies';

'>>37807976
fungus = human sacrifice?

Interesting lead, never thought about it.';

'>>37806738
human sacrifice is obviously a real mystical tradition as evidenced by the Father's sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross';

'>>37806738
Life is in the blood.';

'Airborne predators. Probably dragons or dinosaurs. Once they went extinct people thought they were just in hiding so they kept doing it as a precaution. People eventually forgot the reason why it even started.';

'>>37806738
The nephilim who used to rule the world practiced it because they ate humans. People tried to appease them by offering them human barbeques. Now that the nephilim are demons people still offer them human sacrifices to invoke them.';

'>>37806738
it opens a big rift in reality for magic potentiation
>>37824145
also this';

'>>37811267
They had racks of human skulls all throughout their capital, what are you smoking anon';

'War is human sacrifice. The Death Penalty is human sacrifice. How is it different?';

'>>37820182
Schwartz, Houghton, Bondioli and Macchiarelli 2012 “Bones, Teeth and estimating age of perinates: Carthaginian infant sacrifice revisited”';

'>>37825803
and 2017 “Two tales of one city”';

'I believe Velikovsky gives a great rundown on this and uses syncretic reduction to try to get a general picture of why it happened.
The idea is Marduk and Moloch, representations of Jupiter and Venus respectively, were used to describe the personifications of both planets. The reason they were chosen was due to their relationship, with Jupiter being Venus' father. Why is the mythology structured that way? Because Jupiter, like Saturn, ejects planetary bodies, "giving birth" to them. They're both a fertility God, right?
In creating Venus, Jupiter then ejected her. As she traveled through the star system bouncing around, getting to know everyone (hence her being a "maiden" who eventually settles down with Sol, following him around everywhere), she eventually collided with Mars, hence their thematic combat in Mythology. Afterward, she settled into orbit.
Depending on where you were on the surface, it looked like either Jupiter "gave birth" to Venus, flinging her at us, causing all of that devastation (planetary calamities followed the cosmic chaos) or it looked like Venus and Mars got in a fight, Venus won and now follows the Sun at night and morning, now being the "little Sun", which still caused all of that planetary turmoil. The idea is they then decided that making sacrifices would appease the Gods/Planets. They knew they needed go give something dear to them so the Gods/Planets would be persuaded to show them mercy. This is what the theories say at least.
Ultimately, they were corrected by the guys that went out and helped different people rebuild civilization, which inspired them to form cargo cults, which explains loads of ancient mythological stories: Thoth, Osiris, Quetzalcoatl, Oannes, Yima, Padmasambhava, Taut, Meng-Ho, Gesar, Viracocha and on and on and on.';

'>>37824145
>>37824339
Bump.';

'>>37826073
>Velikovsky
ffs give up';

'>>37806738
it still happens today, when you sign up for the army you sign A CONTRACT that you give your body to "them" and they can literally send you to your death any time they want.

its the same sacrifice just with more steps';

'>>37806738
There is basically zero first-hand evidence of wide scale human sacrifice anywhere in the world.';

'>>37807103
>magic / communing of spirits & higher powers demands exotic energies. sex magic, blood magic, sacrifice, drug consumption, pain, & pleasure are energetically potent, we live inside of a metaphysical industry that farms dreams, in other words our creative energies / actions, in other words 'loosh' (its not just negative, but most things that wish to 'deal' with us are the bad ones, look at how fucked up we are, its no wonder).

and who set up this system?';

'>>37811267
Was that revealed to you in a dream?';

'>>37806738
Idolatry.';

'>>37815007
That isn't a story, it is literal historical fact cross-attested by multiple geographically-separate and time-stamped maya inscriptions. The first king of the Toltecs was also the priest of Quetzal. He lost an aristocrats' uprising and said, "fuk it, im out, i tried so hard but it didn't work out." He deleted all blood, animal and human sacrifice, but he was really evicted because the "nololatl" (i misspelled that word...), aka the leftover remnants of the Teotihuacan artisans, had suddenly become the empire and were making art and architecture again without being servile to the chichimeca invaders, which was explicitly the first Toltec king's intent: to civilize his retarded tribe.

It ended badly. VERY badly. Almost all the insane human sacrifice stuff actually derives from the very end of Toltec rule, where they went absolutely batshit insane trying and utterly maximally psychopathically failing to keep their empire together. Everyone died, civilization actually ended for real this time, etc.';

'https://t.me/vtuberJP';

'>>37806738
True worship to God is through sacrifice, that much is naturally ingrained in all peoples that ever lived.
And as the bible states, animal sacrifices were but a sign of the real sacrifice desired by God, that of our hearts, our contrition, turning our wills to His.
Christ's perfect obedience being the supreme showcase of that desired sacrifice and thus is the one true perfect sacrifice and people participate on it through the Eucharist, becoming themselves part of the body of Christ and of the perfect sacrifice, sanctifying the little sacrifices of their lives.
As Paul says: "I rejoice in what I am suffering for You, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of His body, which is the church."
What is 'lacking' in Christ sacrifice is our participation.

Then the devil who likes to a mockery of all things holy, instigates people to murder others and sacrifice them, which is the total opposite to God's will - the sacrifice of ourselves, our hearts, our will.';

'>>37828539
>True worship to God is through sacrifice,
it's about self sacrifice
otherwise, you're just a selfish dick
like sacrificing your daughter before hitting Troy...';

'>>37807508
Proof that astral projection is the key life skill to cultivate.';

'>>37826455
Wait was that the wrong author? I get his work confused with others sometimes. Regardless, he's long been regarded as a pretty compelling authority on planetary alignment history.';

'>>37828684
that's what i wrote in the rest of the post:D.';

'>>37828539
>True worship to God is through sacrifice
Why?';

'>>37828855
he's really not
he's doing comparative mythology and cherry pick on top kek what a joke
its not based on facts

he's moving planets and moons around ffs
science says no way because they own the math
everything would still be in chaos if something like that would be true
even if it was 12 25 50 100 thousands years ago, we would see it easily but no, everything is stable and running like clockwork

some things are just impossible
like the planet stopping its rotation. its going at 1000mph at the equator, stopping from that speed would destroy everything on the surface. The water would keep spinning and everything would be grinded to dust.

anyway, Velikovsky was a retard even in his time
neo-nazi EUfags love him tho, /pol/fags too';

'>>37806749
>>37806757
>>37806800
>>37806813
You uncultured tartlets, the Aztecs -although they spoke Nahuat - never developed a written language. They instead developed a painted language that operated at two levels, Glyphs and Pictography:

Glyphs: These functioned like nametags, identifying individuals and specific places.
Pictography: Complex symbols conveyed information, as the Aztecs did not have a written language.
For instance, in the Codex Mendoza, the glyph attached to the ruler Acamapichtli provides the reader with his name, represented by a hand grasping a bundle of reeds (his name means “Handful of Reeds” in Nahuatl).
Visual features of representations also carried meaning. For example, examining the representation of Acamapichtli (ignoring the name glyph) reveals that he is a ruler based on his attire, throne, and the scroll coming out of his mouth (signifying speech, characteristic of rulers, NOT that he could magically make scrolls come out of his mouth)
While I'm not outright denying that >>37806800 and >>37806813 are potential depictions of aliens or demons, they could still just be metaphorical descriptions of whatever priest or ruler those are supposed to be. The bigger size of the priest doing the sacrificing in >>37806738 and >>37806800 could probably only symbolize his importance and not be a literal depiction of his size. Also Mexican Indians can in fact get as dark as pajeet Indians, and on top of that u also have to consider the fact that the Aztec scribes drew their paintings using natural pigments that have probably changed color due to aging so these colors could be somewhat inaccurate.';

'>>37812483
We will always be culturally richer than you gringos, stink and savagery and all. We are so much more than just funny sounding ESL speakers and have come a long way while ur folks are downgrading into trannies vegans flat earthers and what have you. The only way ur race can be saved is by crossbreeding with us. While ur too busy pretending to care about foreign problems on the other side of the world, ur southern neighbor will come out with a surprise the world will see. Fellow spic nations are already getting inspired by Obrador's success into presidency and everything that has come so far under his leadership. While there's still a lot of stink to clean up, it is still an amazing time to be a Mexie. I can't wait to come home from work and make love to my sweet ass PAWGringa';

'>>37829292
Is this because he acknowledges the perennial mythologies about white people? This is really the poison pill for you faggots, isn't it? You just can't stand people like Hancock or Hall or Plato or anyone who even thinks about Atlantis and white people, can you?
Well, to me, the explanations these guys offer are profoundly more coherent than your dilapidated, floundering and panicked obsessive compulsions to defend the broken house of cards of a historical paradigm Academia™ keeps trying to shoehorn into all of the kids' brains and the history books alike.
You and all of your annoying ass friends suck. Everyone who simply repeats the global consensus regarding ancient mythologies and white people isn't a fucking neo nazi you gigantic faggot. Go back to Faggit.';

'it wasn't
it was usually a last resort of some dying society during a plague of some sort

functioning societies didn't just have mindless 'lets behead half the entire popuation for .. shits and giggles' moments even if the ruler was a deranged maniac';

'>>37830610
It depends on your perception. In the USA Jews have made white people the reparations for Niggers.';

'>>37824910
yep. The government does on a large scale what serial killers do on a small scale. Same shit, zero difference.';

'Do the elites believe you get power in the afterlife through human sacrifice and blood rituals';

'>>37830640
Easy problems to solve if the Christians weren’t so determined to destroy the U.S.';

'>>37830704
Not really, but even if they did, their attempts would be largely fruitless considering they don't have the requisite genetic structure to perform this sort of thing by and large, nor the willing participant to be the conduit for the ritual.
And no, before anyone tries, no one dies, no one is hurt beyond superficial bloodletting and all participants conduct themselves with honor and genuine respect for each other, the process and the family or families involved. To my knowledge they would never even consider using children under any circumstances either before someone tries.';

'>>37806800
Those two on the bottom look like they have some kind of "speak no evil, hear no evil" thing going on.';

'>>37812793
Gay materialist/economist excuse
You're on /x/ not /his/';

'>>37806738
In the old system sacrifice gave you 'money'. Which is also just known as energy.
Demons can not create their own energy, so they thrive off the energy the soul releases on death, which they feed on, which is why they award sacrifice';

'>>37806738

Because they are afraid.';

'Was..is? Young men are still sent to die for no good reason. The SS wearing skulls is pretty sus too.';

'>>37806749
>>37806757
Yes but the ancient gods also decreed that no image could be made of them so often depictions, like reptiles and birds could be symbolic. Perhaps they associated with serpents as pets, or could fly somehow. Whoever they were.';

'>>37830572
The ruling class of Atlantis was RED
the civilisation restarter were white/albinos not modern white/pink';

'>>37812793
Human sacrifice wasn't at a volume prevalent enough to curb scarcity at any real level as would apply to a population. This isn't a good answer.';

'>>37814693
What evidence do yu have for such a bold claim?';

'>>37830762
They're bloodletting, observers of the sacrifices will also partake in it by offering bowls filled with their own blood as depicted in >>37806813 or just by letting it gush out. They're ramming sharpened human thigh bones up their bodies, the one on the left spearing his tongue and the one on the right doing it on his ear';

'>>37830882
Just wanted to chime in as I'm merely observing your conversation, but: the Toltetcs commenced at least two savage rituals during the mega-drought that destroyed their empire:
1. Staking a person face-down several feet in the air on four wooden poles, then cutting his neck and letting his blood dribble to the milpa (field). The idea was since you need 50+ fields to raise a person, then that person's blood can rejuvenate the field for 50 more uses. It was actually a terror tactic, and the people revolted, but the terror tactic remained and was copied by many subsequent rulers.
2. A coastal Atlanticl remnant of a client state is Teotihiacan had register Toltec invasion for centuries. They worshipped at a temple dedicated to human waste. The last Toltec ruler imposed this worship upon his subjects. Predictably, the subjects revolted even more than before.

Your mileage may vary regarding interpretation, of course, as, for example, typically 1 family per milpa prevailed, although killing 1 working-age male per family and creating a labor shortage problem to replace the food scarcity problem seems to be madness. I presume the purpose was to terrorize the subjects.';

'>>37830916
Odd choices of appendage if it's simple bloodletting.';

'Same resson it still is practiced by the elite today: display of power. They view normal humans as nothing but than cattle made to serve them in whatever wicked way. Sacrifice, ritual-rape, they do it because they like it and nothing will happen with them. War is just a game they play with each other using humans as the pieces.
Three people may really beliche in the entities they workshop, mas for sure they use the sacrificar for magical reasons, but pleasure they feel inflicting torment on others is the driving force of their actions, in that way they are similar to the archons.';

'>>37806738
It's not insane, it makes plenty sense. When you worship something you believe to be absolute you'd only offer what's more valuable to you, anything else would be insulting. In a way, human sacrifice could have been seen not as psychopathic but as an act of love in many cases.';

'>>37807103
>>37807224
>>37807976
>>37812813
>>37814500
>>37814953
>>37815721
>>37823631
The Aztecs actively engaged with hallucinogenic substances like ololiuqui and peyote, using them for divination, prophecy, and healing. These plants played a vital role in their spiritual and cultural practices, connecting them to the mystical realms of consciousness. The entire region is infested with these plants as well as grounded tlitliltzin seeds, and as for all these grand scale sacrifices, it could just be that their society ended up being ruled by sadistic fucks. Mofos were prob always high as fuck on a daily basis.
They fucked with hallucinogens so much that there's even a stoner God canon to their mythology. Xochipilli, the Aztec “Prince of Flowers,” is believed to depict various plant-based entheogens.
Xochipilli’s mere existence in their mythology canon suggests the importance of entheogenic plants in Aztec culture. His domains and attributes are Art, Games and Dance, Flowers, Song, Fertility and Love, and is apparently the Patron of Homosexuality.
During the 19th century, an ancient Aztec statue of Xōchipilli was discovered near Tlalmanalco.
The stone statue stands approximately 1.2 meters (3.9 feet) tall.
Xōchipilli is depicted sitting cross-legged on a sacred base.
The statue is adorned with various organisms, including:
Hallucinogenic Mushrooms: Reflecting the use of psychedelics in Aztec ceremonies.
Tobacco: Associated with ritual practices.
Morning Glories: Known for their psychoactive properties.
Cacahuaxochitl and Sinichuichi: Flowers with potential significance.
Sounds like a based God and pretty interesting stuff overall.';

'>>37831112
They were just extreme like that';

'>>37831173
>Mofos were prob always high as fuck on a daily basis.
yep and us euros were permadrunk...';

'>>37828539
>the sacrifice of ourselves, our hearts, our will
aztecs did that though';

'>>37831214
Aztecs were also drunkards, so much so that aside from their stoner God they also had a goddess for their alcoholic beverage. Mayahuel is associated with the maguey/agave plant. She is often called “the woman of the 400 breasts.” This epithet likely refers to the many sprouts and leaves of the maguey plant and the milky juice produced by it, which is transformed into pulque (the precursor to tequila before the Spanish remixed it).
In artistic depictions, Mayahuel is shown with full breasts or even multiple breasts to symbolize her nurturing and life-giving qualities, they apparently had this weird kink where they believed her tits could gush pulque and you could get drunk off of motorboating her shit if I'm not mistaken. I'd post a pic but I'm enjoying this thread so much and I don't wanna risk getting b&.';

'>>37808289
>>37808321
>>37814474
>>37814563
>>37828539
>>37828684
The Book of Mormon includes the account of Jesus’ visit to the Americas. After Jesus’ resurrection, He appears to the people in the Americas. He teaches them about baptism, forgiveness, and other gospel principles. He heals the sick, blesses children, and establishes His Church among them.

According to legend, Quetzalcoatl was a white, bearded god who had disappeared into the east. Before leaving, he promised to return. He was destined to return from the east, akin to the Second Coming in Christian theology. The legend held that Quetzal would come back to live among his people, bringing them prosperity and enlightenment. His return was anticipated as a significant event that would shape the destiny of the Aztec civilization.

Hernán Cortés, the Spanish conquistador, played a pivotal role in the Conquest of Mexico. His arrival in 1519 remarkably coincided with the foretold prophecy of Quetzal's return. Although Cortés wasn't Jesus Christ himself, he brought His teachings to the Americas thru the Catholic faith. Also he was a white bearded man.

Coincidence? Or is there something more to it?';

'>>37812793
Except more contemporary research has indicated South and Central Americans had a more advanced understanding of agriculture and land management than we understood. This is been discovered parallel to the LIDAR discovery of earthworks that indicate a larger scope to their civilization than we previously understood. The "muh scarcity" argument doesn't hold water.';

'>>37812793
This is so fucking wrong it’s hilarious.
You should real research instead of just making up bullshit';

'>>37831667
I wanna add on top of that. While these comparisons are not universally accepted - cuz most Christfags don't like it when Jesus is talked about in a way they don't like - some interesting and intriguing parallels do in fact exist and have been noted:

Creation of Mankind: Both Quetzal and Christ are associated with the creation of humanity. Quetzal played a critical role in shaping mankind in Mesoamerican beliefs. Christ, according to Christian doctrine, is the divine figure central to human salvation and redemption.
Transgressors Between Earth and Sky: Quetzal was considered a mediator between earthly and celestial realms. Christ, as the Son of God, bridges the gap between heaven and earth.
Bread of Life: Quetzal’s association with the bread of life draws a parallel to Christ’s role in providing spiritual nourishment. In Christian tradition, Jesus referred to Himself as the “bread of life” (John 6:35 - Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty")
Assisting the Dead: Quetzal assisted the deceased, guiding souls to the afterlife. Christ’s redemptive sacrifice is believed to offer eternal life to His believers.
Self-Sacrifice and Bloodshed: Quetzal's myth includes a descent to the Underworld, where he performs a sacrifice akin to Jesus Christ’s atonement. Jesus shed His blood on the cross for humanity’s salvation.
Crucifixion and Resurrection: Quetzal’s death on a tree (often depicted as a cross) and subsequent resurrection share similarities with Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection.
Light and the Sun: Quetzalcoatl is associated with light, often depicted as a radiant being. Jesus Christ is described as the “light of the world” (John 8:12) and the “Sun of Righteousness” (Malachi 4:2)

I'm not religious at all and even so the scriptures can still be an interesting read.';

'>>37815513
>I have never seen a single piece of reliable ethnographic or archaeological evidence that widespread human sacrifice has ever been an institution in any human society.
Google the words "Planned Parenthood"';

'>>37831158
>Sacrifice, ritual-rape, they do it because they like it and nothing will happen with them
Then you don't understand what they believe. Read more.';

'>>37829905
>A people with a sophisticated understanding of time, astronomy, and mathematics had no written language beyond pictographs
No.';

'>>37831794
ON TOP ON TOP OF THAT, notice how Quetzal is drawn with a beard. That's clearly a beard protruding from behind his mask, if the Book of Mormon has any credibility to it (which the average Christfag will quickly jump to discredit it) this is possibly a drawing of Jesus';

'>>37831856
>A picture of a weird feathered troll thing is exactly like Jesus because they both have beards.
Look man. I know you are just trolling Christians because you have a bone to pick with them, but can you get back on topic? I get it. There are philosophical similarities between Christ and indigenous Central American beliefs. The only thing more annoying than Christians inserting Christ into every conversation are anti-Christians bringing up Christ in every conversation.';

'>>37831173
>The entire region is infested with these plants as well as grounded tlitliltzin seeds, and as for all these grand scale sacrifices, it could just be that their society ended up being ruled by sadistic fucks. Mofos were prob always high as fuck on a daily basis.
It's entirely improbable that their society was founded in a Shamanistic state. They certainly had forms of technology that we don't understand and fail to recognize. You can't look at their architecture and cultural sophistication and conclude they were a bunch of stoners. No one creates the Chapultapec aqueduct by being high AF. It requires a society of relatively sober workers and architects working together toward a common goal. You could convince me that the stoner/human sacrifice stage was the final evolution of their society before their downfall, but not that every person in this society always lived under fear of sacrifice by from a bloodthirsty ruler that was high AF from its inception.';

'>>37831832
The writings you see in Aztec codexes are in Spanish or Latin which the Conquistadors wrote over when tryna understand Aztec culture before they settled for the Satanist label and then purge them of their faith and culture.
Or perhaps you've seen Machiotlahtololiztli writing, which is an alphasyllabary or abugida devised by Ed Trager as an alternative way to write Nahuat. It was inspired by the Tai Tham script, and other scripts of South and Southeast Asia, and is designed to make Nahuat easier to read and write.
Otherwise yeah do believe it, a bunch of sadist cannibalistic Neanderthals developed a sophisticated understanding of time, astronomy, and mathematics before they could even have a decent written language beyond pictographs and glyphs [spoiler]or they possibly had help from extraterrestrial beings? But possible derail topic?[/spoiler]
>Yes.';

'>>37831938

Certain psychedelics improve creativity and visual acuity. Its not like they had to be tripping balls every other day. You can have mind-altering experiences then return to working in the physical with an upgraded awareness and skill set.';

'>>37831966
>drop acid
>realize exactly who i want to kill at night
WOW I LOV BEING YUCATEC
>do mushrooms
>telepathically stalk my ancestors
>define exactly what they hated
>please them by ruining opps
HOLY SHIT APURIMAC

MMG8S';

'>>37831975

Ok';

'>>37831887
You don't get curious about these coincidences not even a little? Also all that texting was mainly to reply to >>37814563 which isn't too weird when you look into it, but I also thought it /x/ related so yeah
>>37831938
>he doesn't know they also practiced slavery like pretty much every civilization in history and prob had their slaves doing the construction while they blazed their brains
Lol';

'>>37831979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVKcpF67Ww';

'Couple of hypotheses:

1) Cannibalism

2) Ordinary capital punishment that has been misunderstood

3) Population control tactics


Pick any number of the above. The religion can be a theatrical interpretation to sell it to normal people and get them to go along with selective murder and priests """"burning"""" the bodies (read: cooking and eating them).';

'>>37831965
Dude, just go to the Wiki for the Nahutal language. It was a mixed language with some pictographs but with phonetic symbols as well. It's not a pictographic language. It's just fucking not.';

'>>37831966
>Certain psychedelics improve creativity and visual acuity. Its not like they had to be tripping balls every other day
In the instance of Ayahuasca, you need a fairly sophisticated understanding of chemistry and herbology in order to synthesize DMT. It's a mixture of at least two plants (others can be substituted) that has to be prepared properly. The process required to make it isn't intuitive. Being able to brew something like Ayahuasca itself is a function of a civilized mind. Which is basically my argument, the civilization or tech existed before they were stoners.';

'>>37831887
>"A picture of a weird feathered troll thing is exactly like Jesus because they both have beards"
As you can see by their hieroglyphs, Aztecs weren't exactly the best artists. Also all those decorations around Quetzal aren't probably what he actually looked like but rather symbols conveyed into his character meant to describe a broader message. While I can't prove that Quetzal is Jesus you also can't prove that he's not. The coincidences are still cool to notice tho, also
>Look man. I know you are just trolling Christians because you have a bone to pick with them, but can you get back on topic?
But I am
>I get it. There are philosophical similarities between Christ and indigenous Central American beliefs.
Ur not blazed by this?
>The only thing more annoying than Christians inserting Christ into every conversation are anti-Christians bringing up Christ in every conversation
Are you like, idk, the only homo in ur Christian household and get shunned for it on a regular basis? I'm not even preaching their dogshit faith, you can be non-religious and still have interest and inspo in their deities. While Christcucks are overly assertive and annoying as fuck, Christ as a character is still very interesting and also very /x/ and thread related. I get it, u don't like Christ, yet it's interesting to see depictions of him appearing on the other side of the world long before the Spanish brought the Catholic faith, thus the Mexican indians having no concept of Jesus yet';

'>>37832226
How well can you even communicate with only those two things?';

'>>37806738
I always thought it was people practicing equivalent exchange.
But yes, historically, it seems you are correct and I was wrong.';

'>>37832014
Regarding Quetzalcoatl/Jesus, it's interesting, but off topic. And I'm tired of both retarded atheists and retarded Christians shitting up threads. The whole topic is a dog whistle for retards. But if you want to layer onto this, you also have the Ojibwe "Magiis" (aka Magi) that appear in the Great Lakes with a similar message, appearing in turtle-like craft. Early humans were taught by other beings, whatever name you want to give them.
Regarding slave labor, that is such a crutch argument. If the ruling class were stoned and dysfunctional, the slave class becomes the ruling class. It's very tiresome when legitimate questions are asked and the answer is always "rope and slave labor." The Aztec themselves were outsiders and newcomers to that region, and perhaps it wasn't them that were truly responsible for their achievements (maybe the Olmec and the Toltec). But the foundations of these achievements weren't drugs.';

'>>37832308
They had a phonetic language. Most of their history was burned, destroyed, and re-written by Jesuits. But they didn't just have a pictograms. And the Pictograms of astronaut giants murdering humans wasn't just artistic license because they ran out of pictograms. I love how our ancestors went to the trouble of dumbing this shit down to a level where we could understand it, and we are like
>oh there totally weren't giant murder astronauts that were eating humans, it's just artistic license.';

'>>37829905
There's always a glowie in the thread, I will not allow it.';

'>>37832281
>be me
>be an Athiest butthurt about Christianity
>see a thread about human sacrifice with an Aztec image
>think this is the perfect thread to rant about Christianity
What's hilarious is that retards triggered by Christianity bring this topic up exponentially more than actual Christians. And they always bring it up in threads that really have nothing to do with Christianity.';

'>>37831173
You don't do entheogens and thing, "boy, I sure would like to sacrifice virgins to the sun god or venus or jupiter or something today!" That's absurd. This association between Shamanism, Schizophrenia and maniacal mass murder is entirely incorrect and anyone truly familiar with these subjects understands that on a fundamental level.
>>37831483
Most or all of the shamanistic rituals are associated with a deity who is also the beverage itself, like when Jesus and Dionysus is the Wine, when Demeter is the Beer, when Osiris is the Blue Lotus, when Soma is the Soma, the Mother Ayahuasaca is the Ayahuasaca or the Ibogaine. I always thought this was a cool theme and didn't know about the Aztec version, so thanks for sharing.';

'>>37831483
>ultra-many-titted goddess
Interesting, because this is also a worldwide multi-cultural phenomenon, and one that has been covered up extensively.';

'>>37831856
Just because Jesus, King Arthur, Apollonius, Apollo, Mithras, Hercules, etc. all share similarities doesn't necessarily mean that King Arthur is also a swan, that Hercules has a friend named Merlin or that Apollonius' mom was Cleopatra.
You're doing it wrong.
Quetzalcoatl and Jesus are both Lucifers, the archetype, that's their similarity. They might have all been related though.';

'>>37814693
this feels more correct';

'>>37820059
yo , what the fuk? who is that, kali?';

'>>37832477
>>37832281
The worst part of this whole thing is that normalfags either rant about vanilla Christianity because they've started realizing that Catholicism just made everything completely shitty or they're a fanatical sunday school pretentious asshole who isn't even modestly attempting spiritual progress by any measure but somehow have massively outsized pride in their supposed anomalous levels of piety.
Neither group is right and both of your annoying, never-reading-books asses have gotten it all wrong. The Catholics co-opted what you'd know to be Proto-Gnosticism, which was the conduit for the progression of Hermeticism (the vehicle for Greco-Egyptian Mysteries), depleted it all of all of the actual meat that truly satiates a man and sucked you and everyone you know dry of your Faith which enabled your sanity, your innate drive to survive, your curiosity and so much more. Rome did this on purpose and after its government was thought to have fallen, it conveniently transformed into what is now The Vatican.
The truth is Jesus was an Egyptian-Celtic "Dragon", a member of an ancient bloodline family who claims to descend from Enki, which was actually endowed with the Divine right to "rule" (it's way different than an actual monarchy in today's frame of reference), but was since subverted, enslaved, slaughtered and chased around the planet while its history was expunged while someone else has been wearing its skin around ever since.
Jesus was an initiate of the Mystery Schools, which are now largely dead. He studied around the world and gained the ancient knowledge after being initiated into the Essenic orders in his youth. His family was very wealthy and he liked traveling with his uncle and mother.
He wasn't nailed to some tree, but, knowing him, he definitely knew some trees pretty well and probably liked to hang out in/around them.
Who were the Galatians, Gauls and Gaels? Where did they end up? What does that tell us?';

'>>37820433
based reality expressor';

'It was black people';

'>>37832633
>Quetzalcoatl and Jesus are both Lucifers, the archetype, that's their similarity
So they were "morning stars" associated wirh Venus commonly associated with Pride and the Fall of Man. Stop being an edge lord.';

'>>37832745
I am Lucifer too
Wanna see something cool?';

'>>37832747
>Wanna see something cool?
No.';

'>>37832717 #
I think I'm just going to make a Christianity general so you faggots can get this shit out of your system there instead of fucking up every other thread with off-topic bullshit.';

'>>37806738
the answer is very simple, and very hard for the farm animals to understand, that is why they are farm animals.
this world runs on evil, because it is necessary for one to ascend.
you ever heard of "do unto others as you would have done unto you" ?
how can you ascend pain/worldly trauma, if your brother never gives you the opportunity to. this is the great contradiction of "morality"
in order to overcome all evil, all evil must be presented to you, you can not rely on satan, or some twisted entity to do this, life feeds on life here, not for some twisted god's enjoyment, but according to our own innermost heart's greatest desire to experience transcendence. you can't experience transcendence without pain, and therefore, you cannot experience transcendence without enacting pain on your brother.
"Do unto others as you would have do unto you", goes far past superficial kindness';

'>>37832791
you all really think, that if the elites know so much, they would simply be wrong because, "muh bad team forgot to chuse da right side", or is it because they know something that we don't about the bigger picture, and how this world actually operates';

'>>37832774
It's not like I like you or anything';

'>>37832791
>>37832813
i don't know any of this for certain, i'm just going off of intuition, but something about, "the bad guys are bad, because they are the bad guys, and they are doing what bad guys do" just doesn't sit well with me, i think it is very reasonable to recognize that what is right and what is wrong, are entirely dependent on one's level of consciousness/self mastery, and how else can we transcend without experiencing/facing true suffering, human sacrifice makes all the sense in the world when viewing the system we are a part of from a zoomed-out/disconnected stand point. or as a matter of pure "game-design" of course, higher levels would demand more pvp/sadism it seems obvious to me

i'm not at that point myself, but it isn't hard to imagine that very advanced/developed consciousness/peoples in communion with the pure essence of nature are anything but christlike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPV4OfNlt0';

'>>37832813
I apologize for starting out with a LARP, but doesn't it just make more sense, to believe that pain is baked into the system, even rewarded, and that there is a skill of dealing with it to be learned/mastered, instead of blaming things on the groups creating it?';

'>>37831173
We still do. XD';

'>>37827197
I did.';

'>>37831483
>Aztecs were also drunkards
but when you take mushrooms or cocaine... alcohol doesnt matter especially weak corn beer. It's actually impressive how much more you can drink on psychadelics and stimulants. Hold on for your life when the high end, alcohol will hit like a truck.';

'>>37832781
>posts content actually fucking thread related
>attracts a swarm of edgy whiteheads that just hate reading the word "Christ" in posts
Maybe u and ur Sephiroth larping ass friends just need to leave /x/ altogether and post ur pussy drying slop on /a/';

'The Aztec view, which is a late medieval view, was to sacrifice people to sustain reality itself. Purushamedha in Vedic Humanism, was for individuals to do a Shukla Yajur Veda to provide benefit to an individual. Some black magic in contemporary Hinduism in theory does it still. However, for the most part it fall out of favor with the rise of Buddhism and Jainism. Below is an example of the black magic kind done in the present day though. The ancient Caanite religion version was most likely done only when natural disasters hit and the child was seen as divinized in some sense. In Kenya, only twins were sacrificed. Every now and then someone will still sacrifice a child. The belief being that twins had evil powers and summoned evil spirits with their birth. It is mainly done by the Bassa Komo tribe.

https://www.indiatoday.in/crime/story/kerala-human-sacrifice-chilling-details-body-cut-into-parts-black-magic-ritual-accused-couple-arrested-2284281-2022-10-12

https://www.theguardian.com/working-in-development/2018/jan/19/twin-baby-dies-secret-killings-nigeria-remote-communities';

'>>37833274
Contrary to Islamic narrative, there is no real evidence of human sacrifice in Arabia that we can find. There is some evidence of possible killing of unwanted kids during famine but not sacrifice. There was balîya or sacrifice of riding animals through immolation as well as ritual . There was also ritual exsanguination of animals.

There is some evidence of really ancient Greeks and Anatolian people practicing human sacrifice but this was seemed to have stopped by the time of ancient greeks we think about. Same with Ancient Egyptians. We know the ancient Egyptians we know already had rejected human sacrifice. Some Judaean people may have had a similar turn, even by the polytheistic stage they had moved away from human sacrifice.';

'>>37832888
>what is right and what is wrong, are entirely dependent on one's level of consciousness/self mastery
Yeah, I would strongly disagree with this. I don't doubt there is a great deal of human sacrifice that took place in the past and I don't doubt it's power. What I would doubt is that anyone that needs to resort to the destruction of life, particularly that of others, in order to obtain power, could be viewed as moral. I would define morality as that which benefits humanity, writ large. I don't think tearing a rift in the veil and empowering beings that do not belong on our plane is in any way arguably moral.
>human sacrifice makes all the sense in the world when viewing the system we are a part of from a zoomed-out/disconnected stand point
No. This presumes that a human can understand the game even when "zoomed out." You can't succeed at a game of chess when you can't even see the board being played. If powers exist beyond that which is human (and to me they clearly do), it's foolish to presume that you can seen the end state of your actions by undertaking such a dark action.
>or as a matter of pure "game-design" of course, higher levels would demand more pvp/sadism it seems obvious to me
It seems more obvious to me that reality is a massive test. Will you serve beings that hate you and would sacrifice you at a whim? If you deem it moral to sacrifice others, would it not also be moral for you to be sacrificed for a stronger being? Whatever you believe of this reality, it is a reality safe for humans, unless humans choose for it not to be safe. This very fact implies that a larger, more powerful being created this reality for us and expected us to exert free will. This being was relatively benevolent based on the fact that he created this reality. To reject that which created us and cared for us in favor of another being that would subjugate us and would remove the power of our free will is a sin of the highest order.';

'>>37832813
>if the elites know so much, they would simply be wrong because, "muh bad team forgot to chuse da right side"
I don't think the elites are even human. I think the end state of the rituals they perform is the destruction of their own humanity and their own soul allowing their bodies to be possessed by very old, very ancient power. The sacrifice required for power in the material world is literally your soul.';

'>>37833850

/thread';

'>>37831832
>adept in geometrical and calculated inferences
>written language involves inferences
gee';

'>>37833850
>could be viewed as moral
it depends on your world view
lets say you take a lot from nature... the strongs take from the weak
ever heard a predator eat a live prey? then if you model yourself after that, it gets ugly pretty fast
old world was violent, close and personal';

'>>37832791
>the answer is very simple, and very hard for the farm animals to understand, that is why they are farm animals.
You've never raised a farm animal then. It's entirely possible to have a relationship with farm animals. To be compassionate of them. To respect their lives even if you do need their sacrifice to survive. In many ways, these animals do understand. The great tragedy of our time is we are separated from those beings that sacrifice themselves for us, and never get to know what is essentially a spiritual relationship, and as such, we take that sacrifice for granted and engage in gluttony. If you reach a certain level spiritually, even wild animals will appear around you, want to be close to you, and can actually guide you.';

'>>37820433

60-80 years of self-interest as a naked chimpanzee vs. blissful eternity with God. It's not a difficult choice.';

'>>37833893
The Aztec were not just very good at mathematics, geometry. They had a lively philosophical and academic culture. They had public schools before anyone else in the world did. They also had competing religious views. Most of the human sacrifice was done by the Imperial military religion. The book here shows that they had people doubting their religion as well and did have epistemology, ethics, and even logic.';

'>>37806738
probably a way to feel less bad about executing prisoners';

'>>37806738
Europeans also did that shit at some point.';

'>>37833911
>lets say you take a lot from nature... the strongs take from the weak
The wise only take what they need, and when they have plenty, they give back. You are a part of your environment. The beings that you don't notice, notice you. And these beings have caretakers.
>ever heard a predator eat a live prey? then if you model yourself after that, it gets ugly pretty fast
And every predator is food to another predator. No predators, other than man, would kill for fun, without reason, or simply to gain power for which he has no use. Do this enough and a larger predator will be attracted to your larger numbers.
>old world was violent, close and personal
This world is still violent, but we pretend it isn't because the violence isn't close and personal. Our violence is contained to war zones, abortion clinics, and third-world countries that we pretend do exist.';

'>>37833947
The people they sacrificed for certain rituals were treated as military heroes. This included captured people. Any harm done to them was harshly punished especially any crimes like rape. They would basically starve a person to death if they raped a person who was going to be chosen to be sacrificed. People competed amongst the Aztecs themselves to be sacrificed. Obviously, some of the conquered people they had did not believe as they did though and would not be move by this though.';

'>>37833941
you can maintain most of that through oral tradition, drawing the complex topics is more productive than writing words about them. since knowledge was securely enshrined in minds you'd just share it by speaking, being able to relay that to others is also better for learning than just having it in text';

'>>37833953
>Europeans also did that shit at some point.
Europeans did a lot of that shit. Before the "Holy Roman Empire" ... which was a protection scheme for Rome which turned about 80 different ethnic tribes into "Franks" and "Germans" and "Anglo-Saxons" all serving a con artist in Rome ... sacrifice was widely practiced. What people largely view as "Inquisitions" were really thinly veiled traditional sacrifices to European paganism subsumed into a "Christian" tradition woven largely onto a Pagan tapestry of Holidays and Rites (Easter, Yuletide, All Saints Day, etc.).';

'>>37833941
I doubt they were the first. The east had people doing that before/around the first millenium. Public schools,competing philosophy,doubts about religious practices and codes of conduct and more';

'>>37806738
Human sacrifice is a valid solution to food shortages. They usually claim its to appease some god, but the truth is far more ruthlessly pragmatic.';

'>>37820161
based';

'>>37833999
Technically, all the Christian holidays are part of huge Liturgica year and made up of seasons. They never had single day holidays. Rather there are multiple days in a season which together make up a liturgical year. For example, Christmas Tide. Pic related of book describing the history of the development of the year. Basically, the holidays were chosen to highlight doctrinal and hermeneutic elements and developed as debates about both arose. Basically, when something had to be reminded as dogma.';

'>>37834004
The early antiquity Byzantine hospitals and medical institutions come close but these were funded and not publicly owned. They did philosophy and natural philosophy besides medicine. Often the government provided land grants to help. Buddhist Universities like at Taxila and Nalanda come close and we know that some youth would join briefly often as monastics or helper clerics and learn a bit from a systematic curriculum including logic. However, neither of these are as systematically as the Aztec. They did things like force parents to send their kids or punish the parents for example. They also had a standardized curriculum.The Aztecs we forget are pretty late.';

'>>37834029
>the holidays were chosen to highlight doctrinal and hermeneutic elements and developed as debates about both arose
That's just a really fancy way of saying Rome co-opted existing Pagan holidays in order to spread a religion that was essentially designed to subjugate European paganism. Slather it in all the flowery language you want, but Christmas exists because of the Yule Celebration and Saturnalia. And Easter is a celebration of the Springtime Goddess Eostre (derived ultimately from Ishtar).';

'>>37834103
Considering the calendars have origins in non-Roman or Persian ruled areas like Georgia/Armenia and Ethiopia. I don't think that is correct.';

'>>37834117
Most of the Germanic tribes people are thinking about were encountered much later and lived far away from the near East most of the Christians would have been around. The first Christian country was Armenia/Georgia. Ethiopia become a Christian in the 4th Century CE before Rome legalized Christianity much less before it become the main religion or even mainstream religion.';

'>>37833930
i think this is proof that what i'm saying is true. that love is separate from whether or not you kill something. there is no enmity between man and the animals he kills to eat, don't project hate onto my statements, i believe in true love/charity, amidst the violence though, not in spite of it';

'>>37834136
Regarding liturgical calendars, the presumed first would be the predecessor to the Eastern Rites, the Syriac Malabar Church. I believe their Liturgy dates to about the 4th Century, but the first reference to a complete and documented modern liturgical calendar (or cycle) is the 14th Century. The earliest effort to establish a date for a Christian Holy Day was the Council of Nicea (325 AD) and their agreement to celebrate Easter based on the Julian calendar and on a specific date, mostly because the Julian Calendar wasn't accurate insofar as leap years are concerned and the date of the equinox had begun to drift. Christians really didn't begin discussing Christmas until the Council of Ephesus in 431. Regardless, I don't think it's coincidence that Constantine consolidated power between the Eastern and Western Roman Empires in 324 and all of the sudden, you have the Council of Nicea discussing the date of Easter. It's pretty clear Christianity became important, politically to the Roman Empire and this is why issues of Feast Days became important, and it's also why these feast days correspond to established Roman and Pagan holidays.';

'>>37834136
>Ethiopia become a Christian in the 4th Century CE before Rome legalized Christianity
Christianity in Rome became legal from the Edict of Milan (313 AD). Constantine consolidated power between the Eastern and Western Roman Empires in 324 AD. Council of Nicea was 325 AD. King Ezana of Aksum made Christianity the State Religion in Ethiopia in 330 AD. The Ethiopian Calendar is based on the Julian Calendar and the Caldendar of the Coptic Church, which was represented at the Council of Nicea. It's pretty clear that Constantine and his drive to consolidate power in Rome (by leveraging Christianity) also drove events in Ethiopia. Rome's control of Christianity was evident in the Ethiopian Church. Back to the main point, Pagan and Roman Holidays (many of which included sacrifice) were certainly the basis of the Christian Liturgical Cycle, even in Ethiopia.';

'>>37807103
>exotic energies
Not really. They need enough to be fed but blood doesn't actually do it. Also, these are particular practices designed for particular practicioners for a more hidden particular reason. Too mich to get into.
t. Knower';

'>>37808207
Closer.
t. Knower';

'>>37834246
>i believe in true love/charity, amidst the violence though, not in spite of it
That's a very Kabbalistic worldview and I do think it's inherently hateful. The notion that good can only be expressed in the presence of evil because without evil, good can't exist sounds to me like cope. Your initial example of comparing the victims of sacrifice to farm animals is pretty evil. First of all, they (sacrifice victims) are humans. Secondly, even in the context of animal husbandry, respect exists for the animal. The notion that you love a human and would use it in a sacrifice toward a specific intent and that this is somehow a necessary part of the expression of morality is absurd.';

'>>37814906
This is completely incorrect. Mexico actually took the retards who said this shit seriously and had it treated as suck until archaeological techniques became available to excavate around ancient ruins with little/no damage and proved Cortes' accounts correct- down to finding the exact depicted rack of severed human heads in the exact spot described. It is now contemporary Mexican history that these people were cruel, blood hungry cannabals.';

'>>37820322
Yes. And it drove him crazy
t. Knower';

'>>37830704
No but they are retarded enough to believe any old local demon their lies about human sacrifice.';

'>>37830793
Closer
t. Knower';

'>>37831965
Aztecs just copied the tech from neighbors really.';

'>>37806738
>Why was human sacrifice something practiced around the entire globe,
Normalfags are utterly inhuman and subhuman under their masks, plus what you said.
They would do it even if there weren't demons rewarding them, just on basis of "its right/good thing to do", muh tardishuns" etc.';

'>>37832791
Retard';

'>>37806738
For the mesoamericans, they believed that the current sun or era of the world was governed by the evil God Tezcatlipoca. The only way to satisfy his lust for blood would be the sacrifice of humans - this way they would extend the prophesied Armageddon that would engulf the entire world in flames. According to mesoamerican myths, there was a time when the people had no such thing, and instead made sacrifices of flowers and peace governed - as instated by Quetzalcoatl aka Viracocha, which was later driven out by force by Tezcatlipoca bringing in the time of blood sacrifice. When you look at their history, there were moments in time when human sacrifices exploded in number, usually due to certain lords and potentially misuse of psychedelic drugs';

'>>37831856
>how Quetzal is drawn with a beard
technically not quetzal';

'>>37832791
>appeal to authority
>defending this shit
Good goy.';

'>>37832745
>using edge lord as insult
Being idealogically correct doormat doesn't make you good guy, quite opposite.';

'>>37834589
> Feather snake propaganda as retold by whitey
> Citation needed';

'>>37834507
maybe for you or me dude, but that is really small scale/close minded. how do you know that there are mechanics of the universe we don't know about yet, which follow all the other preset patterns of life feed on life, but with higher forms of life. maybe the elites know what they're doing, and aren't just purely illogical. maybe sucking adrenochrome or whatever actually gets you somewhere in terms of power, and ascendance, not just sick freaks getting high off of someone elses pain, but an extension of everything else in nature, wouldn't that make more sense than the narratives we keep telling ourselves to keep them as the "guys who are gonna fail cause what they're doing is bad". you'd think they might have thought through that argument already and there's something they're not telling us in that regard. escpecially if adrenochrome is a powerful psychoactive chemical, that would really change the what/and the why/ of their motives wouldn't it';

'>>37834897
>how do you know that there are mechanics of the universe we don't know about yet
I don't. I can understand the mechanics of the universe that was created for me. I would presume the Divine Master that created the fishbowl in which I reside wouldn't want me to sacrifice the other fish he put in the fishbowl. If I were to do so, I would become the most powerful fish in this fishbowl, but eventually the Divine Master would be flush me in the toilet and I'd be swimming in sewage.
>maybe the elites know what they're doing
The elites are morons, most of the time possessed by spirits more ancient than they can comprehend, playing out an agenda they will never understand. The only "value" the "elites" have is their personal morality is so low that they would snuff out their own humanity allowing their bodies to be possessed by evil. They are the tools of fallen beings that would rather see everything in our fishbowl die, just to spite the Divine Master.
>the "guys who are gonna fail cause what they're doing is bad"
I don't think that. I don't think the elite aren't going to fail or succeed. I think they are uber-pawns playing a game they can't understand and they are too stupid to know who holds the string to their marionette bodies.';

'>>37834768
Someone's miffed.

>>37834589
Bump, good job anons it only took us 200+ replies.

Tezcatlipoca - Mars, evening star, fire and blood.
Quetzlcoatl - Venus, morning star, peace and love.';

'>>37808207
This is an interesting theory since many who experience NDEs claim to see a spirit guide or angel who is there to guide them into the afterlife. They could be trying to pull in such beings through sacrifice.';

'>>37824910
The difference is adding more death. Why have just war and death penalties when you can have war, death penalties, and sacrifice rituals? It's also one way to keep the death flowing when there is no war going on or crimes that need to be punished. If the goal is death there is no reason not to include ritual sacrifice. And it's probably fun for the people that aren't being sacrificed. Not as entertaining as gladiators fighting lions but still.';

'Sometimes I hate the fact that I come from a bunch of demon infested retards. I have incredible athletic abilities and am generally fit, but I have intense anger issues and have to resist my violent urges everyday. I see my beaner relatives glorify gang violence, literal death, and generally being a douchebag towards those inferior. Why couldn't I just be a normalfag Canadian or something...?';

'>>37834514
total bullshit';

'>>37836568
move to Canada, life's pretty sweet
play hockey for violence release
smoke weed
you're gonna turn into a regular Canadian in no time';

'>>37806738
>demons are real
yeah probably.

CIA had multiple programs/experiments trying to contact spirits and both the methods and results are heavily redacted in the documents they have released publicly. Only reasons I can see for that are
1. CIA did some heinous shit to try to contact evil forces, like murdering/torturing children.
2. It turned out evil spirits do exist, did establish contact, and the feds don't want to propagate their methods of establishing/enhancing their power.

Aryans in the Veddas and Shahanshah identify themselves as the Earthly manifestation/representatives of a Good God. Meanwhile Deevs, where our word devils comes from, whose city was Jerusalem, The City of Evil, worship Ahriman (Satan) the evil god.

The whole of history can be seen as Good vs Evil via Aryans vs jews.

All of Carthage's contemporaries condemned those jews for burning their babies to Moloch and greek writers pointed out
>if a god demands human sacrifice it is evil and so should not be worshipped

Jews are the most psychotic people on Earth genetically so they are most disposed to allying with man's enemies.';

'>>37836957
the abrahamic prophecy in Isaiah that the Messiah will be Light unto the Gentiles is more powerful than any Aryan Spirit';

'>>37814693
Based and Alterweltpilled';

'>>37836975
>rabbi fellated my newborn penis

Deevs didn't invent their jewish identity until ~200 Before Christ. Pharisees pulled a lot of bullshit out of their ass. The closest any of the esoteric beliefs they teach come to the truth is that human sacrifice, pedophilia, and deals with demons (practical kabbalah) are the original religion of their people.

The first known use of a pentagram is in the city seal of ancient Jerusalem.

The made-up jewish religion is a knock-off of Aryan's Zoroastrianism with bitter deevs going
>no we're God's chosen not you!
but their God is Satan.

In 1666 Sabbati Zevi tried to conquer the known world with a jewish uprising which was crushed in Europe, North Africa, and the middle east. Most modern jews, like you, are direct descendants of his supporters.

This's why so many jews paradoxically oppose the Bible, ten commandments, etc. of their supposed God while founding the Church of Satan, dedicating their books to Satan (Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals), and even portraying their own praising Satan in movies (Saved).';

'>>37834476
Can you post interesting thoughts without having to LARP like a fucking spastic? Jesus Christ';

'>>37837033
this has nothing to do with the notion that Christ is light unto the Gentiles. at best you could argue that Antichrist will be a better Light unto the German, whose principality is Azazel, as he wants to conquer God. the Jewish identity of the Messiah has been invented since the dawn of time, first when God ordained that the seed of the serpent would fight the seed of the woman, and second when God preserved Noah's seed as the lineage of King David because he was "pure in his generations."';

'>>37837071
>rabbi fellated my newborn penis

rabbi's schizo psychobabble.

Memorizing the retarded shit some jew wrote down in kabbalah doesn't make you smart or informed or spiritually enlightened, it makes you a fool for sitting at the feet of a schizophrenic and memorizing his rantings as insights.

Aryans predate Germans. Any cosmology where Germans are this and Rome is Amalek and America is Rome and whites' angel is Samael, etc. is just jewish bullshit.
Your cause to have faith in these lies is
>rabbi said

Any impartial observer can tell who is Good and who is Evil by looking on the works of Aryans and Deevs. The former created every civilization worth a damn on Earth. Aryans are always the driving force behind further human development.
Deevs by contrast, contribute nothing but degradation to man.';

'>>37837046
No.';

'>>37836957
>The whole of history can be seen as Good vs Evil via Aryans vs jews.
NO not even remotely related
go back to /pol/ retard';

'>>37837707
he says it's relevant to human sacrifice thru his blood libel';

'>>37832717 was an actual effortpost, >>37832781. Everyone else so far has only provided commentary on "I hate Christianity" or "I like Christianity". Both sides suck. You, trying to make it sound like my post fits into either of those boxes, are a fucking asshole. Fuck off.
>>37832745
>associated with Pride and the Fall of Man
Lucifer, the archetype, is far more complicated than that. Enki, Apollo and Azazel are probably the prime examples which can display the color, the complexity of the archetype. Calling any of those beings "evil" is frankly absurd and you should feel like a moran for clearly studying none of these subjects, but having the gall to participate in this conversation and so blatantly display just that. Evidently, that's what you're taking away in your ignorance.';

'>>37837707
>NO not even remotely related
Would you care to provide a reason why this isnt even remotely possible? Personally, I think it's an oversimplified argument, but there is merit to its discussion. If there isn't merit, you should be able to state the apparently obvious reasons why.';

'>>37837986
>Lucifer, the archetype, is far more complicated than that
Not really. The literal Latin translation means morning star aka Venus. In the context of Christianity, it's a fallen angel that dared to challenge the higher power, aka God. In the sense of Milton, Satan served Lucifer who was imprisoned in Hell. I don't give AF about your stupid edge lord descriptions of Lucifer or whatever weird ass Satanic crap you might believe, I use the term in its most literal sense. Jesus and Quetzocoatl are not akin to Venus, aka the "star" that heralds the morning.';

'>>37837986
I don't give a shit to whether or not >>37832717 was an effortpost. It's off topic. Fuck off somewhere else if you want to talk about Christianity.';

'>>37836957
>>37836975
>>37837033
>>37837071
>>37837707
"Jews" only popped up around the year 500 AD. Ancient Aryans were unfortunately very big assholes. Our ancestors enslaved a shit load of people and probably raped or murdered far more. The stormfag viewpoint is retarded no matter how you cut it. Either you're happy about your history, but you acknowledge all of your ancestors weren't saints, or you go back to muh jews have always run the world since the dawn of time and I'm just a puny white servant for the big noses and I hate myself. There's no in between because the evidence is very clear: Aryan nobility traveled the whole world and raped, murdered and even cannabilized basically the whole planet. The liberals are actually right about muh colonialism, but nothing in recent memory compares to our very ancient ancestors. I'm not going to feel bad about it, but not admitting it isn't an honest thing to do.
>>37838027
It's abundantly clear to anyone who actually reads books that you do not. Your boring ass not-reading-books opinions suck and we've all heard them a billion times. I could go to practically any website that has semi-creative content on it in any medium and get the same vanilla drivel you've just typed up here. Have you tried Reddit?';

'>>37838027
Then why is Jesus called the morning star in revelation? or was "not" a typo?';

'>>37838042
It's directly, explicitly related to the OP, you retard.
Do you not understand the story about Quetzalcoatl at all? Do you not understand who the Dragons were? Do you not understand what Vampyrims is? Do you not study any of the occult?
>>37838027
>>37838042
Who the fuck told you two retards about this board? Go back to wherever the hell you came from. Maybe read a book.';

'>>37838050
>It's directly, explicitly related to the OP, you retard.
No, you are blathering on about your stupid opinion on who Jesus was. It's not about human sacrifice. And you are still blathering on about it because you are a complete fucking idiot and Christians live rent free in your head. And Christians have a lot of space to live in your head, because apparently not much else resides there.';

'>>37838063
It's clear you're not participating in good faith. /x/ is generally comprised of people who actually read books, lady. Trying to fool people here is comically bold at best.';

'>>37838046
>Then why is Jesus called the morning star in revelation? or was "not" a typo?
The fuck if I know. I'd guess it's some shit translation from the original Greek. Pretty sure John didn't use the term "Phosphorus" which would be the literal translation of Lucifer into Greek. Regardless this shit is off topic and you need to fuck off already.';

'>>37838103
>It's clear you're not participating in good faith
It's clear you are an idiot. Last (You) for you.';

'>>37838122
You don't even remotely understand the things I'm saying to you and imagine we're at odds. You're a complete retard who doesn't even have modest foundational understanding of these subjects, but you're telling people they're "doing an offtopic" solely because you're dumb and don't read books, so you don't know what we're talking about or while you're fantastically, hilariously wrong and stupid.
If you weren't so dense, you'd know I wasn't even disagreeing with you. This is like when a kid gets pissed even though you're trying to give him exactly the thing he's asking for, but doesn't have enough exposure to real life yet to know what he wants looks, smells or tastes like.';

'>>37837990
he won't because he's a lying jew. He just wants to go
>OY VEY! SHUT IT DOWN!
>only posts sucking kike dick are /x/!

Recognizing the facts jews conquered Earth in the 20th century is a basic, entry-tier conspiracy. If it doesn't belong on /x/ then this entire board's invalid.';

'>>37838531
>Recognizing the facts jews conquered Earth in the 20th century is a basic, entry-tier conspiracy. If it doesn't belong on /x/ then this entire board's invalid.
Really, it goes back much farther than that, and the Jews aren't really Jews. Their present permutation is a bastardized race of Nabataen/Edomite rape babies. If you want to talk about blood sacrifice, the last 1000 years of European history has been one massive blood sacrifice made to protect Rome and the Jews that have financed Rome since before the time of Christ. The present conflict in the Ukraine being the most recent sacrifice of Europeans at the hands of the fake Jew slaves of Babylon. The gods of Babylon demand larger amounts of blood than small scale sacrifice could even hope to provide.';

'>>37839200
>before the time of Christ
of Jesus you mean.
christ and messiah are egyptian concepts';

'>>37839200
I'm interested in your worldview. Post and I will read.';

'>>37839281
>I'm interested in your worldview. Post and I will read.
Hard to throw an entire worldview down into a post in a thread about human sacrifice and still make it relevant to the topic, but basically what I just wrote. Rome (the First Reich) was always a multi-cultural empire based on military conquest whose culture arose mostly form the slave classes that is subsumed, initially from Carthage and Greece, then places like Pontus, Syria, Judea, etc. Judea, after it became a vassal state of Rome, was vastly altered, both religiously and demographically. The Romans forcibly resettled Nabataens and Edomites into Judea to water them down ethnically and established a lineage of Edomite Kings of Judea (The Herods were from this line). This ethnic blending allowed Rome to control Jordan (Nabatea) and Judea and prevented Nationalist uprisings. The Jews still rose up, but they likely would have succeed were it not for Herod Agrippa working against Judea on behalf of Rome. Judea (having also suffered the Babylonian Exile) was already watered down and Babylonian religious concepts from the Exile greatly influenced their religion, which throughout most of their history wasn't monotheistic. So basically Rome, while being a pre-eminent military power, relied on those it subsumed (it's slaves) to perform the basic functions that it needed to continue to function as a society. Rome's culture radically changed over the course of a few hundred years and its religion was fluid and adopted the practices of those it subsumed. It's dominant religion was mostly a function of politics, eventually settling on a "Romanized" Christian-Pagan amalgamation which began exerting itself at the Council of Nicea in 325 at the behest of Constantine I.';

'>>37839723
Post-Nicea, Rome is basically a religious amalgamation of the practices of Greece, Carthage, Pontus, Syria, Judea, Nabatea, et al with an economy that included the participation of the Jews it subsumed, and this sets the stage for the Second Reich. Rome's population dwindled down to about 30,000 from a peak of 1 million between the second and sixth centuries, mostly because of constant wars with European Tribes. So, their answer was to take the most powerful leader of these tribes (Charlemange), make him the "Holy Roman Emperor," and use him to basically control and re-write Europe. Over a series of wars taking place over the next 600 years, Rome expanded it's population and power. Jewish financiers expanded their interests, and Europe's population went from being 50% of the worlds population to about 20%. Europe's diverse tribal ethnicities were whittled down into the genetic mystery meat that became known as Franks, Germans, Anglo-Saxons, and Slavs (literally where the word slave comes from). Each of these essentially made-up ethnicities were pitted against each other in near constant war (Blood Sacrifice) to strengthen Rome and it's actual Gods (not the pretend religion they used to conquer the European tribes).';

'>>37839762
How this is all relevant to the topic is this: Rome (and the Jews it subsumed) went industrial with human sacrifice. Why build a bonfire and sacrifice a few virgins when you can sacrifice entire swaths of populations to your Gods via war? Every European war fought since Charlemagne has done nothing for Europeans and has strengthened both Rome and the Jews (whatever their current permutation is). I would suspect at the top of this food chain is a Pope that cares very little for Christianity (this can certainly be said of the current Jesuit Pope) and a Jewish leadership that pretends to espouse monotheism, but still worships the polytheistic Gods they worshiped in periods during the reign of kings such as Mannasseh.';

'>>37831798
The Phoenicans offered their best, their "child wealth"! PP offers their trash...';

'>>37825803
>>37825819
actually, there a year later there was already a counter study

Patricia Smith, Lawrence E. Stager, Joseph A. Greene, & Gal Avishai (2013). Age estimations attest to infant sacrifice at the Carthage Tophet Antiquity, 87 (338)

"Smith et al. (2013) has maintained that the human remains from the Tophet of Carthage are evidence of child sacrifice. First, they argue that the assessments done by Schwartz et al. (2010,2012) to determine age were incorrect because they did not take into account the shrinkage that occurs from the cremation process. This means that they underestimated the ages of the individuals, causing it to appear as normal infant mortality when it was not. Second, based on their assessment of ages of the infants, the mortality curve is not natural. Compared against other child cemeteries in Carthage, this site is a special burial ground for a specific age cohort that was given more expensive funerary rites than would normally be afforded for this demographic. It is therefore argued this is evidence of child sacrifice"';

'>>37825803
>>37825819

another "it was sacrifice" study

"New to this argument is an investigation of broader archaeological evidence by Xella et al. (2013), who support argue that there are multiple lines of evidence supporting that the Tophet of Carthage was for infant sacrifice. First, they note that the cemetery does not represent normal children deaths as there was only one to two burials per year, not consistent with child mortality. Second, the cemetery includes cremation remains of infants and animals, indicative more a sacrificial practices of offerings rather than burials. Third, they argue that the texts which describe Carthaginians as sacrificing infants should be taken at face value. This is due to the fact that the paragraphs detailing this practice do not seem to be part of a biased propaganda, but rather simply note unusual practices. Fourth, the burial markers do not follow normal convention of dedication of a marker to the deceased. Markers within the tophet are dedicating or offering the burial to a specific god, either Baal or Tanit. The markers also have a similar statement on them throughout, that the offering is done in response to an answered prayer or request. This is strong evidence against natural death, as it is not traditionally considered an answer to a prayer. Finally, they argue it is important to consider these archaeological features, not just the human remains, when attempting to address this site (or any site for that matter)."

Paolo Xella, Josephine Quinn, Valentina Melchiorri, & Peter van Dommelen (2013). Phoenician bones of contention Antiquity, 87 (338)


It would be unkind to accuse you of being under-handed, but the academic discourse on this is mixed.';

'>>37840387
Disagree. Abortion is a lifestyle choice. It's a practice that is designed to increase the material wealth of women and the children aborted are mostly children these women could support, especially considering the number of social programs that exist to support women and single mothers. It's human sacrifice on a mass level comparable to Phoenician sacrifice.';

'>>37833977
Bro, they held whole groups in a sort of captivity. Imagine keeping an entire ethnic group as a form of cattle you could sacrifice and eat whevenever. Also for your young warriors to practice killing.';

'>>37830854
The cope in this thread is insane, from this to the aztecs not being cannibal savages';

'>>37841804
It's not cope, it's (seethe) against the diversion of threads to topics such as sacrifice, ancient occultism, aryans, and the morning star.';

'>>37840387
>>37841760
Guys, please actually read books about these subjects. You're either referencing the full-volition rituals of certain bloodline families, where the ritual doesn't work in any negative way, or you're talking about people eating their nuts. When the Phoenicians became the Canaanites later on, the same practice of nut-eating got passed onto the Proto-Gnostics. Yes, they did abort some babies and eat them in different meals, like they did with period blood or semen (see Crowley's "eating fluids" rituals) and that's not okay, gross and abhorrent. I don't think anyone sane would disagree with you. But the Phoenicians weren't out here slaying live babies for the sun like you seem to be thinking of. The blood is drank in a ritual, the "giver" has to be totally on board or the proper hormones aren't released (something pretty incessantly stressed) and it has to be a relative who is "pure" (several meanings, but obviously you're not going to drink AIDS blood or some shit, right?).
The Catholics ran around the world for nearly two thousand years trying to tell everyone else that other people, totally not them, were murdering kids and even eating them. Basically every single time, it was nothing more than a smokescreen. There are some exceptions, but they appear to point to the aforementioned Bloodline being at least tangentially responsible for that exact thing being stopped.
So, either way, this is a pretty retarded idea and the reason this whole Satanic Panic thing keeps happening is because you're all getting psyoped by the people who don't want anyone to understand humanity's actual history, who just happen to be the same people hiding everything humanity has discovered and still keeps secret. Go figure.';

'>>37842661
>The blood is drank in a ritual
Also, to be extremely clear, no one is killed. It's bloodletting, yes, but only the amount that is agreed upon and obviously not a mortal amount or near it.';

'>>37842661
>>37842665
It's clear you come from a background of de Vere, but you're a fool if you believe his red herring about muh compassion consent karma nonsense.

Your burgers taste good because the cow suffered in life and in slaughter.';

'>>37842731
Other sources seem to confirm what he posited, as referenced in Scithian lore and especially so if we consider the mounting evidence against Catholicism's favor, suggesting "le Druids just... like... eat people lol!" Clearly that was all bullshit and, if we consider said Scithian lore, it's clear similar practices were maintained.
It's very clear to me his positions are apt, but I don't really blame you for falling for the propaganda. Rome desperately needs to hold it all together. Things aren't looking great for them these days after all.
>you guys kill cows!
Yes. Go find a loo and paint your skin white, poo.';

'>>37842661
>>37842757

>the villains are....the catholics

shalom';

'>>37841080
The existence of a debate doesn’t automatically mean both sides have merit. I’ve read the papers by Smith et al, and they’re complete garbage. They have no evidence and no refutation for their opponents’ substantial evidence.

The “pro-sacrifice” argument is just contrarian nonsense with no basis outside of centuries-old uncritical historiography.

> First, they note that the cemetery does not represent normal children deaths as there was only one to two burials per year, not consistent with child mortality.
Demonstrably untrue
> Second, the cemetery includes cremation remains of infants and animals, indicative more a sacrificial practices of offerings rather than burials.
Both wrong and irrelevant
>Third, they argue that the texts which describe Carthaginians as sacrificing infants should be taken at face value.
That’s a laughable argument. This paper is a joke.';

'HUMAN SACRIFICE THAT'S CRAZY';

'>>37843185
>The existence of a debate doesn’t automatically mean both sides have merit. I’ve read the papers by Smith et al, and they’re complete garbage

ok...surely you have some strong rebuttals...

>demonstrably untrue

ok...source? if it was just a plain funeral site, why is it only babies and animals?

>laughable argument

let's be honest, the romans don't need to spread propaganda to invade and take out rivals. typically, roman propaganda was internecine. your rebuttals are also incredibly weak if you refuse to source anything. is it true there a markers thanking their gods at the site? then how is that indicative of a plain graveyard?';

'>>37844102
continued

there are some other points I'd like the "cathaginians dindu nuffin" poster to address

1. if it was just roman propaganda to justify a war, did they accuse other rivals of child sacrifice often? if not, why was it exclusively addressed at carthage?

2. let's assume it truly was a mistake of the romans here, isn't it still possible they made a rather understandable mistake by seeing the carthaginians bury their infant dead at a site littered with markers of thanks to their gods and confusing it with a child sacrifice ritual? especially if they did not bury these infants with their families, but with animals. if it turns out there something more nuanced going on here (perhaps, the carthaginians simply buried still births and did not consider them worthy of burial with their families), can you still credibly accuse them of making the whole thing up?';

'>>37806738
>Why was human sacrifice something practiced
You talk about it in past tense, as though it doesn't happen anymore. Unfortunately, it does.';

'>>37844174
>1. if it was just roman propaganda to justify a war, did they accuse other rivals of child sacrifice often? if not, why was it exclusively addressed at carthage?
There's no account of Cathaginian human sacrifices coming from Roman eye-witnesses Sources not even at the FIRST Punic War.
Why is that? Why would the Cathaginians out of the sudden stop those sacrifices right at the begining, the middle and the end of the punic war, a time of national crisis?';

'>>37844467
don't answer my question with another question, thanks. but to your point, as the researcher Xella noted,

"they argue that the texts which describe Carthaginians as sacrificing infants should be taken at face value. This is due to the fact that the paragraphs detailing this practice do not seem to be part of a biased propaganda, but rather simply note unusual practices."

the romans did not bring it up in the first place as unbiased propaganda, thus it wasn't brought up in the first punic war because they didn't need to convince anyone they did child sacrifice to wage the war in the first place.';

'>>37844499
and on a later note, the idea that romans needed "propaganda" to wage war on carthage is a silly anachronism. rome wasn't a democracy. and if the romans intended to wipe out the carthaginians, why the hell would they care if they sacrificed their own?reading way too much of the modern western mind-set into them.';

'>>37819449
>the fact that they are recorded by the Isrealites, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Babylonians, and numerous other civilizations as having done so seems to indicate that it’s true
Except that they're not recorded by any of those. Moloch appears ONLY in the Tanakh/Old Testament and has zero archeological basis or extratextual evidence for ever being a deity actually worshipped.';

'>>37806738
Supernatural entities are like cats, and human sacrifices are the treats we give them to win them over. Simple as.';

'>>37844948
scholars identify moloch as a title referring to their king, which would have been baal hadaad. as usual, the academics are still mixed on the topic as you come here pretending the issue is settled. why are you like this?';

'>>37844948
>rabbi sucked my newborn penis

Greek texts refer to Moloch = Kronos and other texts associate him with other names. Carthage worshipped him by sacrificing babies, a practice attested by every other contemporary civilization, and for which Rome destroyed Carthage, and proven by forensic evidence of hundreds of urns with baby ashes and bones with seals consecrating them to Moloch.

The point is not a consistent name applied to the evil god jews murder people to appease. The point is
1. There's a god who is an enemy of mankind and so demands human sacrifice.
2. The race of deevs/jews are his people.
3. Everywhere they go jews murder children.';

'>>37845025
i'm actually the anon contesting the "carth. dindu nuffin" poster and I disagree with you on 1.

the reason the blood libel exists is because the claim is that the rabbis believed that christian blood was magical, hence the need to secure it for rituals/charms. as far as I'm aware, there's no claims among the superstitious medieval rabbis that YHWH in particular desired blood.';

'Reminder:
>Practicing Rituals based in Service to Self crafts and methods for personal gain and profit at the expense of others
>Sending Curses, hexes and negative energy patterns to people with intent to harm, such as making them sick, ill or wishing them dead
>Using deceptions, schemes and manipulation with intent to harm another
>Practicing blood sacrifice or the killing of a living thing dedicated to ritual or cleansing
>Practicing Black Arts for conjuring elementals and demons to work for the practitioner
>Acquiring knowledge without tempering higher consciousness that results in Succubus activities or the stealing of others life force for use in selfish gain
>The use of Alien Implants, inserts or etheric weapons to assault and harass another
>Black Magic used in sexual acts to conjure forces and bind the soul of the person through rape or forced sodomy.
>Any sexual act involving lack of consent between parties and/or a child.
>Any actions or behavior of which the Luciferian or Satanic force is called upon, conjured or embodied.
Any of these above may qualify a person practicing Black Magic to be called a Black Magician.';

'>>37845051
>libel
jews murder children. Epstein's just a contemporary example in an unbroken history. It's why Rome killed Carthage. Why Aryans sacked Jerusalem, driving the Deevs to Zaboulistan. It's why they learned to lie about their identities: for most of human history, Whites were Good enough to kill these evildoers once identified.

We live in a dark age where evil's tolerated to be practiced in the open, even praised, as never before.';

'>>37806738
I compare the act of sacrifice for the purpose of ensuring/avoiding outcomes --> a dog barking at the mailman.

Just because the mailman leaves while the dog is barking, doesn't mean he left because of the dog.

I think ancient civilizations happened to notice a coincidence while some poor dude was getting killed, so they made a correlation and started doing it professionally. With little else to occupy the day, it makes sense that other cultures would come to a similar incorrect conclusion.';

'>>37843107
Stormfags suck because they imagine their ancestors were pristine examples of everything good in humanity, but they're completely wrong. Yes, your ancestors were dicks. Unfortunately, your scapegoats with large noses were only really in any way organized like you imagine around the year 500 AD.
I know the feds and stormfags on /pol/ want you to ruminate on judaism all day long so you don't actually do anything productive, but the reality is they work hand in hand with the Romans/Catholics and they've been doing that for well over a thousand years. "Jews", then, is nothing more than a red herring designed to get you to not ask questions about certain families and their origins and, yes, they obviously overlap with modern day Rome.
Also, to be extremely clear, I don't have any negative feelings toward any specific parishioners. I know plenty of Catholics and they're decent people. My gripe is with the historical authority, the Jesuits and the supposed "noble families".';

'>>37844948
Just look into the etymology. It's not that difficult. Moloch was a bull, Venus's center was covered at one point by the moon, so it had horns a la Moses and "bull" = "guy in charge", which is all "Molech" ever meant.
Normalfags suck. Reading books is fun.';

'>>37806738
It was practiced everywhere at some point.
> It seems like an absolutely insane thing to do
That's because the average 7 year old autistic tiktok zoomer has a preposterously greater degree of education than the smartest spear chucker in ooga booga times. But if you believe in sacrifice of any sort, then human sacrifice seems like it would be the biggest and baddest of all sacrifices.

Bartering is just an unavoidable part of of the human psyche. Even atheists will barter with unseen forces in their own heads when shit goes down, even if they don't realize it. Everyone has silently said to themselves "if you do x y z, then I will do a b c" at some point.
>I'll never fap again if you give me a girlfriend
>I'll be nicer to people if you get me this job
>I will tell the police where the bodies are hidden if you get me a parking space
It's just an irrational part of the human psyche. And if you're an illiterate little brown person in the jungle and your people are dying because of a drought, at some point you start bartering with everything you have, including other people.';

'>>37806738
Unironically because of the lizard people, what some call demons or fallen angels. They were once out in the openamd worshipped as gods.';

'>>37806738
It's the most valuable living thing to sacrifice. Shows your devotion to the deity. Simple as.';

'>>37812746
Now you're catching on. Keep digging.';

'>>37848016
>Shows your devotion
no no no, it shows its ok when it's not you... thats not sacrifice
it ended up being a political tool to get rid of any problem

its kid logic, immature logic, barely more than animals because they sacrifice their child... to predators';

'>>37806738
I don't see the problem unless people are sacrificing healthy, quality humans that have done nothing wrong.';

'>>37806738
>was
Every modern convenience you utilize comes from the sacrifice of lives. MOST of them are in other parts of the world, but not all.
If you were to be shown what you had to give up to avoid sacrificing people, you would quickly see the benefit to human sacrifice.
At least the Aztecs were explicit about it, and didnt insist of having the killing be done out of sight.';

'>>37806738
Do you know about the Jewish concept of owning the whole world and being the "chosen" to inherit all of it?
There are two ways the Jews could've developed that idea: through arrogant hubris, and by actually having settled all over the world a long time ago.

I don't have the redpill pics handy but it's suggested that the Phoenicians set up trade posts everywhere they went, and everywhere they went is said to include:
>Britain
>Crimea
>Canaria
>Mesoamerica
>India
>All along the African coast
>Indochina
>China
>Japan
All before the bronze age collapse.';

'>>37831856
And he's blue.
Blue skinned behind that mask.
There's a shitload of parallels to Jesus in Vedic scripture, all of them an incarnation of Vishnu, who are blue-skinned.
I wonder what other parallels there are between the Vedas and Nahuatl myths.';

'>>37849098
Yeah you think they would sacrifice their leaders then huh? Why the hell do you think people would want to do that? Just to decide who's the leader every months or something? Use ur brain it ain't that complicated brother.';

'>>37808437
I'm not him.

Why is it that every hearing starts with the accused and witnesses being made to swear an oath to uphold the court above God?
Courts are privately owned corporations whose corporate rules (we call them laws but they're not laws) are subject to God.
By placing your right hand of action above the Bible, you put God beneath youx and with the left hand of reception you receive the words of fealty to the court by which you reciting it elevates the court above you and above God, which grants them complete jurisdiction over you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about anything.
If however you don't put your hand on the Bible and don't swear that oath, God remains above them.
And if you decline the invitation to understand them, you won't stand under them either, which also denies them authority they're not entitled to.

There's a case of a guy in Spain who was arrested for a few crimes with hard evidence. His conviction was guaranteed.
There's just one problem: he didn't understand.
It's all he ever declared to the interrogators and to the courts.
The courts let him go scot-free because he didn't understand.
That doesn't mean he didn't comprehend what they were saying. It means he didn't subject himself to their rule.

The way courts tend to be organised and physically constructed also reflects sacred geometry but I lack the necessary information to explain what that does in a court setting.';

'>>37832717
>member of an ancient bloodline family who claims to descend from Enki
He IS Enki.
Enki, Ziusudra, Gilgamesh, all the exact same soul.
There are several tablets proving that Gilgamesh and Ziusudra are the same, and other tablets recite the flood myth in such a way that Ziusudra built the Ark and ascended to the heavens by Ea's grace to become an angel.
What I divined later was that Ziusudra didn't stop at angelhood and became Micha-El and incarnated several times again as figures described by other mythologies, including Krishna, Zeus, Jesus, Amon Ra, etc, and that he was already one of the oldest souls in the universe long before deciding to meme Enlil out of his genocide.';

'>>37827178
https://www.science.org/content/article/feeding-gods-hundreds-skulls-reveal-massive-scale-human-sacrifice-aztec-capital';

'>>37806738
Maybe it's a metaphor.
>>37806800
Tyrant King sacrifices subjects for his insatiable demands';

'>>37815003
>t. dumbass';

'>>37849153
>If you were to be shown what you had to give up to avoid sacrificing people, you would quickly see the benefit to human sacrifice.
No man. I'd give up this whole ball of wax in a heartbeat to fish and farm for myself and live in a hut.';

'>>37850448
Nothing stops you from doing that.
You dont do it.';

'>>37849298
I like part of what you're doing here, but "Jesus" and "Zeus" are not the same guys. The whole "Soul" thing is way too ambiguous to me and I'm pretty sure I'm just (You) wearing another sack of meat, so, while I'm not as big on Buddhisms take on this, I do sort of enjoy their whole no soul thing for basically this whole reason.
In other words, I think Jesus = Enki is retarded. There's an exception though - if you mean that Jesus is Enki the way that you're also your dad or your grandpfather, then sure, I'm on board there. I'm not really sure I'm Jesus or Enki personally. But maybe they were me at one point.
Regardless, I think the whole "Jesus is Krishna" thing is the closest you got. Jesus and Krishna are both Avatars of the Sun becoming the Son. Jesus is the Fish version then (again a nod to Enki, to your credit), Pisces, and that makes Krishna something else, but I'm not that big into Hinduism, so I never cared enough to figure this one out.
At any rate, I tend to thoroughly enjoy syncretism, but you're going a bit overboard for me. Yes, I do think Jesus is the same (role) as Enki, but seemingly for mostly different reasons (assuming you're not saying what I outlined before).';

'>>37849332
>Maybe it's a metaphor.
Kind of. "Children" or maybe a bit more ambiguously, "Innocent", could indeed mean the Starfire or the Holy Oils.';

'>>37851308
Krishna is not an avatar of the sun.
śrī-bhagavān uvāca
imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ
proktavān aham avyayam
vivasvān manave prāha
manur ikṣvākave ’bravīt
>Gita 4.1: The Supreme Person said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.
Quite the opposite, Krishna claims the sun to merely be a reflection of the opulence of that Supreme.
śrī-bhagavān uvāca
hanta te kathayiṣyāmi
divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ
prādhānyataḥ kuru-śreṣṭha
nāsty anto vistarasya me
>10.19: The Supreme Person said: Yes, I will tell you of My splendorous manifestations, but only of those which are prominent, O Arjuna, for My opulence is limitless.
ādityānām ahaṁ viṣṇur
jyotiṣāṁ ravir aṁśumān
marīcir marutām asmi
nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśī
>10.21: Of the Ādityas I am Viṣṇu, of lights I am the radiant sun, of the Maruts I am Marīci, and among the stars I am the moon.
This entire section is details different categories, and declares the topmost to be a representative of the Supreme. It ends with Krishna dismissing all of it as only a miniscule expression of the potency of the Supreme.
nānto ’sti mama divyānāṁ
vibhūtīnāṁ paran-tapa
eṣa tūddeśataḥ prokto
vibhūter vistaro mayā
yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ
śrīmad ūrjitam eva vā
tat tad evāvagaccha tvaṁ
mama tejo-’ṁśa-sambhavam
atha vā bahunaitena
kiṁ jñātena tavārjuna
viṣṭabhyāham idaṁ kṛtsnam
ekāṁśena sthito jagat
>10.40-42: O mighty conqueror, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but an indication of My infinite opulences. Know that all opulent, beautiful and glorious creations spring from a spark of My splendor. But what need is there, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe.';

'>>37851422
That's not what I said but okay. I'm not reading all of this, dude. Again, I'm not that big on Hinduism.';

'>>37851445
>Jesus and Krishna are both Avatars of the Sun
Krishna is not an avatar of the sun.
Jesus is a sakti-avesh avatar of Bhagavan.';

'>>37851449
Stop (You)ing me.';

'>>37850687
Our societal system absolutely is designed to prevent off-grid living
>have to pay property taxes
>have to pay farming income taxes
>want kids? have to either send them to school or have government-approved home schooling
>want to sell milk, too bad, it needs to be pasteurized and government approved.
>want to sell eggs, your chickens need to be documented with the government and vaccinated against avian flu
>your cow has a calf, that's income that needs to be taxed
>want to leave your land to your kids, too bad 50% of it gets taken off in inheritance tax.
>want to build a barn, you've just improved your property and the county assessor has a right to come onto your land to make a higher property tax assessment.
Can it be done, sure. But you are swimming against the tide.';

'>>37851471
>Our societal system
So leave this society.
>Can it be done, sure. But
This is you excusing WHY you dont do it.
You CAN.
You DONT.';

'>>37851471
And hang on, I thought you said you just want to live in a hut and farm.
> fish and farm for myself and live in a hut
Yep, that's what you said.
NOW you want to sell shit.
NOW you want kids.
NOW you want to own animals.
You were not honest about what you wanted.';

'>>37851475
Seriously go fuck yourself cunt';

'>>37851482
The point, you stupid fuck, is that you can't just hunt and fish. Everything has been Parceled out so the Jew can get their share of everything that it's damn near impossible go escape this system. Sacrifice on behalf of this system is compulsory. What we have now is basically a system of slavery where people pretend they aren't slaves.';

'>>37851537
>you can't just hunt and fish
Yes you can, you ineffectual whiner.
But you already admitted you dont want to just hunt and fish. You want all the amenities and benefits of a society with none of the obligations.
It is EASY to escape the system.
You just have to leave the system behind, and you arent willing to do that.';

'>>37851610
>It is EASY to escape the system
You are fucking clueless. I listed each of those reasons why going off grid is difficult without having a separate source of income. Your response:
>muh you're wrong. it's easy
Stupid cunt';

'>>37851923
>I listed each of those reasons
Not a single one was hunting, fishing, or living in a hut.
As I said - that isnt what you want. If it was, it would be easy.
You want a society with no obligation to that society.
The only people in that position are INFANTS.
You literally want to be a baby.';