'It would either need to do literal TND/PND and kill deport all black people once slavery was inevitably abolished when they got sanctioned by the rest of the industrialised world, Or they would just have President Clarence Thomas by the 70s, Probably ‘confederate’ Nationalism by 2020s in this timeline would be more like Med-European/South-American Falangist/Intergralist Culture/Civilisation-Not-Race ‘Brazilian Black lady and white lady next to each other in pictures of the blackshirts’ style stuff.';

'>It would either need to do literal TND/PND and kill deport all black people once slavery was inevitably abolished when they got sanctioned by the rest of the industrialised world, Or they would just have President Clarence Thomas by the 70s, Probably ‘confederate’ Nationalism by 2020s in this timeline would be more like Med-European/South-American Falangist/Intergralist Culture/Civilisation-Not-Race ‘Brazilian Black lady and white lady next to each other in pictures of the blackshirts’ style stuff.';

'>>16587060
This. I'm not opposed to an independent Southland, but if it happened historically, it'd need to deport all the, or at least over 60%+, nogs unless it just wanted to wind up like Brazil.';

'Reminder the confederacy was Jew controlled';

'>Reminder the confederacy was Jew controlled';

'>>16586989
Based';

'The confederate founders of the KKK were all jesuits';

'>>16587060
>Clarence Thomas
Wrong nog for the time period. I could see Thomas Sowell becoming the Lula-esque figure of the country, especially if they cracked down on the inevitable communist movements this country would have. It certainly wouldn't be in control of the border states, though, so the best you can say is that Virginia, Tennessee, an increasingly embarrassed Texas, and Alabama would be holding up this country from collapsing into eternal guerrilla warfare.';

'>>16588069
virginia and tennessee are border states. it could have gotten all the border states if it wasn't retarded in '61, but never trust south carolinians for strategy, they're inept compared to virginians.';

'>>16586989
always kind of wondered why mexico didn't take advantage of the situation and try to take back some of texas during the civil war. the confederates wouldn't have been able to fight off two armies.';

'We were robbed bros...';

'>>16586989';

'>>16586989
Living in a border city there like Saint Louis or Arlington even would be insane.';

'>>16588490
They were at war woth France at the time.';

'>>16587075
Oh sorry. The CSA would have been a shining city on the hill of progressive multiculturalism.';

'>>16586989
>Brazil but colder and speaks english
WoW, what a missed opportunity.

Without the white immigrants coming with boats from the northen states, sooner or later the local niggers would had gone full Haiti on the local whites';

'>>16586989
True';

'>>16586989
Why would it be a good thing to have a Brazil in North America?';

'>>16588516
Bros..';

'>>16588871
Might have been an Arab Gulf Confederacy if they could keep that model up somehow.';

'>>16588229
I mean the ones that actually officially seceded instead of partisan warfare in the way Missouri and Kentucky did. I also seriously doubt they could hold on to New Orleans and probably everything up to Baton Rouge, considering they were blockaded from the start, and Florida's basically a no-man's land because no fucking way they can figure out how to tame it without federal money.

At its core this is just Virginia and Tennessee getting to be the New York and Pennsylvania of this country and bossing the worse slavelords of the Carolinas and Georgia crackers into doing their bidding. So what we got post 1965, essentially.';

'>>16588069
>>16588229
>>16590758

If the Confederate States of America survived to the modern day, it would be economically dominated by Texas the same way California economically dominates the United States.';

'>>16586989
>Missouri
>Kentucky
>W. Virginia
Someone's got too much dip on their chip';

'>>16590784';

'>>16588775
Yeah France used the Civil War as an excuse to go in on Mexico. That's apart of why the Emancipation Proclamation was so important; it stripped the Europeans smelling blood in the water of any possibility of intervention via the souring public sentiment in Britain and France.';

'>>16590758
tennessee??? wut??? it'd be NC, GA or SC in that role before it was tennessee.';

'negro containment country wouldve been great actually';

'>>16591253
The Carolinas are full of relentlessly stupid people that actively stymie any economic development that doesn't protect the institution of slavery, and the only reason Georgia ever stopped being that way was because of the infusion of federal money and investment into Atlanta, plus the lesser Sherman's tactics. They would be intensely hostile to any industry for as long as slavery remained legal, thus making them the South's South. By contrast, Tennessee already had considerable economic and structural power within the Confederacy, a people much more open to the ideas of industrial development, and crucially many towns that were already primed for industry. Charleston would be powerful, but powerful like peak Baltimore is relatively powerful compared to peak Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.';

'It took a lot of hard work and a lot of effort.
Yet the last 10-15 years has seen all that hard work pissed away.';

'>>16586989
Go back in time and convince them to mass adopt the 1860 Henry with one DMR per squad with a regular breechloading rifle. Also probably some Prussian artillery or something, but that stuff's never much interested me.';

'>>16586989
In cyberpunk timeline: shemale artificialuterus';

'>>16586989
The problem with the South today is the same problem it had in 1860 and 1760 - an overreliance on unskilled, uneducated, and low labor rate work force. Failure to invest in productivity gains is what differentiated the North and the South and still does today.

If the CSA would have won - The South would be where we send our contracts for Indian tech support.';

'>>16591606
Bold of you to assume your average Southerner could speak, write, or read English to the degree necessary to offshore without a federal government beating it into them. There's a reason they didn't put the tech support centers in Atlanta or Rock Hill but they gladly put the factories there.';

'>>16586989
it would have been fun to watch them do their autistic golden triangle and dominating the carribean and south america';

'>>16591253
Nashville was Union occupied for half the war. The US military gestapo raped and stole most everything. Continued after the war.';

'>>16591636
Tech support is in India. Oh by the way Oracle is moving to Nashville and will be its world headquarters.';

'>>16586989
why is that "good" it would just mean there would be a Black ethnostate in about 1930 or so after the inevitable Communist revolution';

'>>16591309
agreed';

'>>16586989
>would need to abandon slavery almost immediately after victory, as its economy was dependent on shipping cotton to Britain and France (who were both strongly abolitionist by this point).
>Free black population starts almost immediate insurgency against and political activism protesting their apartheid tier living standards - this is heavily supported by both the Federal States of America to the north and probably most of Europe as well.
>Standards of living drop dramatically without plantation agriculture to keep them afloat.
Congratulations, you just made South Africa in the USA.';

'>>16593385
Britain and France were strongly abolitionist before the war, but still happily imported southern cotton. Profit always goes before morality and ideology.';

'>>16593403
There was growing public opposition to it, even in the best case scenario for the Confederacy there it's still just a matter of time. You're also ignoring the Federally backed black insurgency there too.';

'>>16593455
"King Cotton" was doomed, but only because Egypt was able to outcompete them, not because capitalists cared about the abolitionist cause.';

'>>16593503
>not because capitalists cared about the abolitionist cause.
Yes, that's why Britain maintained slavery until the early 1980s. You clearly know so much about this topic.';

'>>16593581
Capitalists run the market, not the state.';

'>>16586989
the most boring one as well';

'>>16586989
So true';

'>>16586989
>nigger breeding farm: the country
crazy how if dixoids just weren't so fucking lazy and picked their own cotton America would be like 99% white right now';

'>>16593503
don't forget that the workers started to refuse working with southern cotton. even if they theoretically could outcompete Egypt they would still have too pivot away from them just so the workers would stop rioting over it';

'>>16590277
It would be nice for the US as they won't have to deal with those states autism';