'>>16587009
Ah, forgot to mention he was born into a poor family without any connections or wealth. This is another factor to consider. His "career" into a demigod is absolutely insane.';

'There are many other such figures in the early 20th century, such as Stalin or Mao. You just don't know about them, because the exceptionality of Shitler is something you just want to believe in.';

'>>16587009
https://dn790000.ca.archive.org/0/items/mein-kampf-dalton-translation/Mein%20Kampf,%20Dalton%20Translation%20Vol%201.pdf';

'>>16587009
>Can someone explain this rationally?
>How was his meteoric rise possible?
>If after studying Nazism you don't believe in the existence of 'hidden and occult forces' or some kind of black magic, you are a fucking NPC.
>>16587017
>Ah, forgot to mention he was born into a poor family without any connections or wealth. This is another factor to consider. His "career" into a demigod is absolutely insane.
>>16587061
>https://dn790000.ca.archive.org/0/items/mein-kampf-dalton-translation/Mein%20Kampf,%20Dalton%20Translation%20Vol%201.pdf';

'>>16587009
The military as always been a pathway to the elites for the pleb.
Hitlers path was still unorthodox but ultimately he was the right person at the right time in the right place.';

'>>16587009
Wasn't Hitler involved in the 1918 Kapp putsch? I guess he was good at making himself look like an usefull and reliable tool.';

'>>16587009
>1948: retired to Argentina and living a peaceful life of luxury';

'>>16587009
schizo thread';

'it doesnt make much sense because you left out the part where he wasnt just some homeless bum, he was a glownigger intel agent';

'>>16587009
>If after studying Nazism you don't believe in the existence of 'hidden and occult forces' or some kind of black magic
Indeed, it's a big reason why I think Hitler and Nazism is evil, because it's a fundamentally gnostic worldview. Same thing with Marxism and all it's spawn.';

'>>16587009
Anon will come up with all kinds of shit instead of simply admitting that the Germans wanted to get stomped by a jackboot.';

'>>16587236';

'Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, that's why there's an army of paid posters that exist only to berate and mock anyone that questions the narrative.';

'>>16587009
>How was his meteoric rise possible?
Because much of europe was catapulted into complete chaos after the first world war and political violence, economic instability/collapse, and labor unrest gave a golden opportunity for a lot of men and political groups seeking power to actually achieve it. Men from humble beginnings like Hitler or Stalin will probably never rise to such heights in the western world anymore until there is a seriously devastating nuclear war.';

'>Remilitarize the Rhineland with his 2 divisons
>France and Britain intervene
>NOOO I WAS THE CHOSEN ONE';

'>excellent rhetorical ability
>smart and studied solely out of a desire to become educated
>rejected a lot of conventional wisdom about how to do politics and didn’t turn into a populist
>instead of being a politician, he focused on being a leader first and foremost
>surrounded himself with many different unique, strong-willed personalities, who all became leaders in their own right
>never agreed to compromises with the system, instead the system agreed to compromises with him
>lmao German women lmao
>Wotan possessed him';

'>>16587430
How was he not populist? The entire appeal of fascism is unlike old school reactionary right is how it rejected elitist rhetoric for national mass appeal.';

'>>16587430
>didn’t turn into a populist
lol wut';

'>>16587009
>If after studying Nazism you don't believe in the existence of 'hidden and occult forces' or some kind of black magic, you are a fucking NPC.
If after going outside and getting some fresh air and sunshine on you, you don't replace, in your worldview, occult forces with the role of luck and tragedy, you always were an NPC.';

'>>16587430
>smart and studied solely out of a desire to become educated
>spoke with Planck
>who said it was the stupidest conversation he'd ever had';

'>>16587392
resentful losers are always waiting at the fringes for a power vacuum to step into, if not actively trying to create one. They are yellow-eyed vestiges of our savage past, we're better off without them.';

'>>16588049
You literally just describred me kek';

'>>16587996
>>16588016
Seriously, the whole reason Nazism destroyed the DNVP/Stahlhelm/Volkisch/Monarchist types is due to it(and fascism more generally) being an inherently revolutionary ideology based on a caustic national political mythologies, anti-individualism, Darwinism, statism, and social engineering.
It's why the term "reactionary modernism" is more apt a description for Fascist/Third Positions/revolutionary esoteric right movements, because it's a fundamentally gnostic and postmodern view of the world, which in contrast to actual postmodernism views the "systems of oppression" thesis that the postmodernists lambast as something to be destroyed as instead something to be held as the ideal and only thing a society needs to uphold.
Of course, both viewpoints are retarded, subversive, and toxic. We saw how Fascism turned out, and we're now seeing how the opposite is just as bad.';

'>>16587009
>If after studying Nazism you don't believe in the existence of 'hidden and occult forces' or some kind of black magic, you are a fucking NPC.
naw, religion for example showcases exactly how extremism can spread and lead to retards gaining power';

'>>16588072
well sure, they're common as dust.';

'>>16587009
>Can someone explain this rationally
people are dumb and act like sheep, they literally believe what anything they are told';

'>>16588084
Wait, postmodernism is the opposite of fascism?';

'>>16588138
Yes.
Basically, they are opposite ends of the same dipole, which is why both ideologies are nothing but destructive.';

'>>16588084
> based on a caustic national political mythologies, anti-individualism, Darwinism, statism, and social engineering.
This is the kind of list of trigger words is the wrong way to try and understand national socialism or any political ideology for that matter, it's on the same level as that atrocious Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco. Only the 'revolutionary' part was worth pointing out.

The reason why the NSDAP overcame all those reactionaries is because it built a revolutionary movement with a clear, uncompromising vision for what it wanted to achieve and the 'New Man' it wanted to create. Hitler saw what gave communism such an appeal to the masses and replicated what worked,. Reactionary whining on the basis of "we need to go back!" was not going to get very far in the environment of 1920's Germany. Schmitt referred to Germany during the second world war as "the most political state on earth" because she clearly delineated her enemies and her friends, where the bumbling democratic idiots of today (and of Weimar) think politics is about holding hands dancing Kumbaya';

'>>16588044
All the people deep into science only want to talk about whatever subject they are in. If you talk about anything else they just get upset and shutdown, very autistic people. Philosophy majors were very much the opposite at uni, at least not the insufferable leftist ones.

What the fuck would Hitler even have to say to someone like Planck? Or Plato etc.?';

'>>16588146
postmodernism isn't an isn't an ideology though, it's a lack of all values. You can't have an ideology without ideals. It's almost as silly as positing Socialism as an alternative to Capitalism, when from Marx on it's been put that Socialism is the result of the immiseration inherent in the success of Capital.

Fascism is barely an ideology, it's more a naked lust for power in a complex social version of the narcissism of the damaged as some sort of larp/policy.';

'>>16588158
>a clear, uncompromising vision for what it wanted to achieve
They promised the elites they'd rule the plebs with an iron hand as they promised the workers they would live proudly in an egalitarian paradise made by trad values and honor. Basically, they told everyone what they wanted to hear then got on with shitbird thuggery.
>>16588167
>What the fuck would Hitler even have to say to someone like Planck?
When you're a power mad dipshit with a head full of speed, you might have a lot to say. None of it would be worth hearing though.';

'>>16588189
>They promised the elites
Yeah I can tell you're a retard with no idea what he's talking about.';

'>>16587009
>Can someone explain this rationally?
Upward mobility in human society is determined by two things: the actual qualities of an individual and the perceived qualities of an individual.
Hitler was charismatic. He had an almost supernatural ability to read crowds and give them what they wanted to hear.
Conversely, the crowds wanted someone who would guide them. They expected that Hitler would grant them what they wanted, so they cultivated their behavior in such a way that gave Hitler was given a clear path to power.

Hitler didn't have any particularized leadership skills or knowledge about how to create a lasting empire. What he had in spades, though, was big dick energy. And so people treated him like he had the biggest dick in the room. Unfortunately for them he was a clinical sociopath, so everything fell apart.';

'>>16587009
https://is2.4chan.org/sci/1714888883277054.pdf';

'>>16588194
Sure yeah okay, and i can tell if I linked the actual speeches you'd question the source, the quality of the translation, and basically ride your bullshit all the way down the drain because this is another disingenuous nazi thread in /his/...fucken snooze.';

'>>16588158
>This is the kind of list of trigger words is the wrong way to try and understand national socialism or any political ideology for that matter
But is it incorrect?
>Schmitt referred to Germany during the second world war as "the most political state on earth" because she clearly delineated her enemies and her friends
This is why Schmitt is retarded.
Germany lost explicitly because it's political leadership was so delusional it really thought it could both militarily defeat/conquer and ethnically cleanse all of Eastern Europe while pacifying the Balkans, recolonizing Africa, and defeating the Western powers all at once. If even a midler form of Fascism rose to power in Germany, WWII would've been an easy German victory given Germany could've just used fascist-sympathetic Ukrainians, Romanians, Croats, Caucasians, Bosnians, Belarusians, Turkestanis, and Balts as cannon fodder/fifth columns against the Soviets, Serbs, and Poles, promising to divvy up those states in an alliance structure to give those ethnic groups incentive. Instead Germany dedicated itself to a neo-Darwinist, gnostic death cult that consumed all of Europe and then itself.
>>16588167
>postmodernism isn't an isn't an ideology though, it's a lack of all values
>Fascism is barely an ideology, it's more a naked lust for power in a complex social version of the narcissism of the damaged as some sort of larp/policy
Which is why the two are essentially the same in thought process.';

'>>16588200
>>16588135
>>16588042
Why is it so hard fo you retards to believe in the supernatural?

Explain why some of the top nazis believed in it. And these guys weren't retards, they were smart enough to take over one of the top 3 nations of the world.';

'>>16588210
>Explain why some of the top nazis believed in it. And these guys weren't retards
lol you dork, when they were imprisoned awaiting trial their guards uniformly agreed: these people are ruffians and picknoses. Why was anybody thinking this was the master race? The truth is they were a bunch of losers who stepped into a power vacuum and did very well in the post WWI chaos.
>nazis believed in the supernatural therefore it's worth a minute of your time
this is the sort of dumb shit that makes /his/ a dishonest version of /pol/';

'>>16588200
>the crowds wanted someone who would guide them
In regards to the masses, that is never NOT the case.
Your entire post is typical pseudo-intellectual psychologizing rather than dealing in actual facts. I'm almost 100% certain that you are just regurgitating Jordan Peterson.
"He was charismatic and knew how to win a crowd!" is such a piss poor analysis. Winston Churchill was charismatic but he was also an idiot with no principles whatsoever. Many people fit that description but were nothing like Adolf Hitler.
>Hitler didn't have any particularized leadership skills or knowledge about how to create a lasting empire
This is just mental-midget credentialism, unlike his rivals and contemporaries, he accurately foresaw the rising superpowers of Soviet Russia and the United States, and accurately understood exactly HOW and WHAT gave them the power and influence they had, and that Germany (and Europe) would need to acquire a similar world-position in order for her to avoid ending up just another small nation dependent on them. He aimed to create a political system that would survive up to a millennium, he looked specifically at the Papal States and the Republic of Venice as two states, last over nine-hundred years each respectively, to model the succession of National Socialist party leadership off of.
The people you would consider "qualified" leaders or empire builders would more than likely have been short sighted morons you cling to out of contrarianism.';

'>>16587035
>>16587091
>>16587227
>>16587236
>>16587253
>>16587259
>>16587275
>>16587394
>>16587996
>>16588016
>>16588049
>>16588084
>>16588105
>>16588189
>>16588200';

'>>16587009
>If after studying Nazism you don't believe in the existence of 'hidden and occult forces' or some kind of black magic, you are a fucking NPC.
Not just Nazism but all of history is filled with plot armor, as well as with religious experiences which prove that theism is true, of course an esoteric form and not the theism of NPChristians.';

'>>16588217
>nazis believed in the supernatural therefore it's worth a minute of your time
In all fairness it is worth looking into because looking into the spiritual underpinnings of the regime and many in its leadership results in a curious chicken-egg phenomenon regarding the thought process of the Nazi regime, given its connections and appropriations of the Volkisch movement.
Its like saying it isn't worth time looking into the spiritual or philosophical beliefs of Pol Pot or Gandhi, which is dumb.';

'>>16588231
If you like fascism so much, I reccomend you move to Burma.';

'>>16588235
Julius Caesar was like this too. You read about him and it's impossible not to feel like he was the main character.';

'>>16587091
>>16588049
>>16588084
>>16588105
>>16588146
>>16588178
>>16588189
>>16588240';

'>>16588207
>But is it incorrect?
In short, yes, but it doesn't matter. "They were DARWINISTS" (the rest of the world wasn't?) doesn't make it any clearer why they won or lost.
>Germany lost explicitly because it's political leadership was so delusional it really thought it could both militarily defeat/conquer and ethnically cleanse all of Eastern Europe while pacifying the Balkans
Calls Schmitt "retarded" but these are the words he spews into the reply box, lmao
> If even a midler form of Fascism
Germany did not find itself surrounded by enemies because they were more """extreme""", if that was all it took Soviet Russia would have been pulverized as soon as it came into existence.
> Germany could've just used fascist-sympathetic Ukrainians, Romanians, Croats, Caucasians, Bosnians, Belarusians, Turkestanis, and Balts as cannon fodder/fifth columns against the Soviets,
Germany did use all of these against the Soviets, you fucktard. The biggest problem with this was how many of these "nationalists" all had competing interests they were willing to butcher each other over - see how the Ukrainians treated the Poles in Galicia.
>Serbs, and Poles, promising to divvy up those states in an alliance structure to give those ethnic groups incentive.
All attempted, and all failed in part due to the British. Yugoslavia was in the axis, Poland was invited into the anti-comintern pact. Both ended up lead by retards.
>dedicated itself to a neo-Darwinist, gnostic death cult
Posts like these remind me just how low the quality and intelligence of the average /his/ user is. Absolutely abysmal. Do me a favor, jam your entire fist up your ass and rip out all of the fucktarded buzzwords you can and dump them into the reply box all at once.';

'>>16588206
le self-proclaimed anti-/pol/ brigade isn't sending their best';

'>>16588235
Not just NPChristiants, but all of the big religions.

The most plausible explanation is that there are multiple gods. For example during Nazism one of them said: "Ok guys, it's my turn. I want to help that traumatized, mustachoided Austrian nomad. He has kind of potential."';

'>>16588245
Tatmadaw. Look it up. I think you'll like them.
>>16588252
>They were DARWINISTS
There's a line between Darwinism existing and basing an entire worldview off of bastardizations and extreme interpretations of it. Literally viewing your enemies as vermin that needed to be exterminated for the sake of the gene pool of your nation instead of just doing the old fashioned kill the men, rape the women method of conquering/subjugating was a very new ideological innovation of the Nazis that comes from Darwinism and formed the cornerstone of their ideology.
>Calls Schmitt "retarded" but these are the words he spews into the reply box, lmao
Nigger, that's what actually happened IRL.
>Germany did use all of these against the Soviets, you fucktard
They did or attempted to, but gave them no incentive to be loyal to the Axis/Nazis, beyond "you guys will be the last ones in Auschwitz, trust me bro". They easily could've just said "you guys can run your own facist regimes here if you fight the USSR/Poles/Serbs" and that would've been a done deal.
>All attempted, and all failed in part due to the British. Yugoslavia was in the axis, Poland was invited into the anti-comintern pact. Both ended up lead by retards.
What?
>Posts like these remind me just how low the quality and intelligence of the average /his/ user is. Absolutely abysmal. Do me a favor, jam your entire fist up your ass and rip out all of the fucktarded buzzwords you can and dump them into the reply box all at once.
Take a holiday in Burma and tell me about how based fascism there is.';

'>>16588210
>Explain why some of the top nazis believed in it.
Because they were superstitious retards that enjoyed shamanism and power fantasies.
>And these guys weren't retards, they were smart enough to take over one of the top 3 nations of the world.
Here's a sad fact of life: if you are a member of a political party that is gathering momentum, and society is facing an existential crisis (poor economy, poverty, natural disasters, disease etc) then you can basically convince them to give you total control the country with minimal resistance. All that's required is that you A) know how to work a crowd and B) tell them what they want to hear.

Literally every single totalitarian dickhead in history has gathered power this same way. They promise to give the people a cure-all solution to their problems in exchange for their freedom, banking on the stupidity of lesser men, following by fucking everything up.';

'>>16588283
>off of bastardizations and extreme interpretations of it
This statement is cope.
> that's what actually happened IRL.
No, it isn't
>They did or attempted to, but gave them no incentive to be loyal to the Axis/Nazis, beyond "you guys will be the last ones in Auschwitz, trust me bro
So we're doubling down on the disconnect from reality and now making up shit on our own?
> They easily could've just said
Nobody tell him
>Take a holiday in Burma and tell me about how based fascism there is.
You couldn't have come up with a more boomer retort.
No, Burma is not fascist, fascism is not a 'military dictatorship'
You really do not have the intelligence to be discussing this topic at all.';

'>>16588709
>THIS IS LE COOOOOOOOPE';

'>>16588721
Concession accepted.';

'>>16588235
The world is full of daimons/δαίμων.
In the classic term, not demons.
The greeks were right.
There is a supernatural element to the world and history.
If i recall, Socrates mentioned it in one of the dialoges, how he was listening to the voice from his head his entire life, hitler also mentioned something similar, how he saw an "ancient Aryan being".';

'>>16588750
>how he saw an "ancient Aryan being".
he never said this specifically though';

'>>16587009
narcissists fail at social life up until they find generous and naive people who are impressed by their personality and erect him as leader because they are mesmerized by the word salads as if he is inspired by the gods or some shit.
i've seen it in real life several times.';

'>>16587009
he was a jew too retard';

'>>16588231
kek, joomers BTFO'd';

'>>16588709
>So we're doubling down on the disconnect from reality and now making up shit on our own?
Nigger, what do you think Generalplan Ost was? The Nazis were very blunt about depopulating Eastern Europe and either using Slavs as slaves or just killing them all after they defeated the USSR. That's not a good incentive to join your military campaign.
>No, Burma is not fascist, fascism is not a 'military dictatorship'
Burma is absolutely the closest equivalent to a fascist regime we have today. It's not equivalent to Nazism, but it's far closer in terms of the language, organization, and economic/political systems associated with Fascist regimes. Particularly it reminds me the most of the Iron Guard due to the Buddhist component.
And of course it's the shittiest country in SEA even compared to Laos or Cambodia.';

'>>16589674
>what do you think Generalplan Ost was
Do you really think I didn't know that is what you were referring to? Do you really not understand that I could simply be discarded your opinion for a reason?
This place is a majority of retards flinging Wikipedia articles at each other.
>Burma is absolutely the closest equivalent to a fascist regime
I have zero interest in doing the absolute bare minimum of defining what Fascism is for you. You have nothing new, interesting or unique in terms of an argument to present to me, as I could spot from your first post, and I am NOT here to teach you critical thinking or how to argue beyond clichés. I'm not sure what it is about this board but if we were in a place dedicated to any other hobby or topic, people with toilet-brushes for brain stems would normally learn to shut up and lurk a while before typing out paragraphs of copy-pasted material you'd find on /r/AskHistorians.

>pic
You seem the type to put great stock in newspaper horoscopes.';

'>>16588228
>He aimed to create a political system that would survive up to a millennium
That's what he said we was doing, not what he actually tried to do.

Hitler was fond of creating multiple redundant agencies with overlapping purposes and pitting them against each other, favoring one or another at different times, which resulted in a bunch of wasted time and resources from all the backstabbing and jockeying for access to Hitler and control of what information reached his ears. The nation was bound to collapse regardless of whether he won the war or not.';

'>>16590069
Posts like these are a result of over-analyzing the Third Reich and treating it like an anomaly whilst being completely ignorant of the political systems or power structures of any other nation.
Your reply is nothing more than an amalgamation of shit tier propaganda and masturbation.';

'>>16588721
You speak like a fag and your shit is all retarded';

'>>16590087
>over-analyzing the Third Reich and treating it like an anomaly whilst being completely ignorant of the political systems or power structures of any other nation
Can you actually explain what you mean by this, or are you just being a nazi apologetic out of instinct?';

'>>16590142
Because WW2 centers around Germany, there's a tendency for people to hyperfocus on how their political system (like a bajillion other factors) were flawed and led to their downfall.
In reality it's overdone and most of the people engaging in it don't bother to understand the political systems or players of the USA, USSR, UK anywhere near as much.
It's overanalysis.
Do you really think inter-deparmental competition is unique to the third reich?
>it was bound to collapse bro
it fought stubbornly to the end.
A system like America's would have cannibalized itself long before the enemy got that close';

'>>16590156
>Do you really think inter-deparmental competition is unique to the third reich?
Not particularly. But it certainly juxtaposes the claim that Hitler was trying to establish 'a political system that would survive up to a millennium'.

Hitler's incompetence is obvious precisely because we've sifted through the wreckage of his failed empire for half a century. Retards keep falling for the same hype that convinced millions of Germans to kill their neighbors.';

'>>16590237
The modern West shows us that liberal democracy is the most evil system in all of hsitory.';

'>>16587035
Neither Stalin nor Mao were homeless veterans.
Stalin was a bandit and a true believer in the absurd system of Communism.
Mao was a teacher and all he did was lead bugs.
Neither of them had to fight international jewry.
>>16588049
>>16588129
They are uncommon men of destiny and extremely revolutionary and forward thinking.
You are just afraid because you are jewish.
jews are irrational.';

'>>16590245
>unironic whattaboutism
Yeah, you're probably right, but what can you do?';

'>>16590254
>Neither of them had to fight international jewry
Stalin did have to.';

'>>16590237
>But it certainly juxtaposes the claim that Hitler was trying to establish 'a political system that would survive up to a millennium'.
It really doesn't though, it's a cheap jab that you didn't think through too deeply.
The Nazi regime was caught in both a period of revolutionary change and apocalyptic total war thrust upon them simultaneously.
It's a basically irrelevant point to bring up because its not actually a contradiction to what I claimed - that Hitler sought to create a system that would last nine hundred to a thousand years.
Pointing to some inefficiency and blowing it out of proportion is not actually a counterpoint when the average politician then, and even today, cannot think beyond two to four years ahead.';

'>>16588283
>There's a line between Darwinism existing and basing an entire worldview off of bastardizations and extreme interpretations of it. Literally viewing your enemies as vermin that needed to be exterminated for the sake of the gene pool of your nation instead of just doing the old fashioned kill the men, rape the women method of conquering/subjugating was a very new ideological innovation of the Nazis that comes from Darwinism and formed the cornerstone of their ideology.

This is a post war history channel construction.
If Hitler saw his enemies through a lens of RAHOWA then why did he ban abortions for Slavs? an avowed inferior race they were at war with?
Why did he provide medical care to civilians and pay reparations to "inferior" "races" like the Irish?
Why did Hitler have such a tremendous respect for Balts whom at the time were seen as a subset of Slavs?
Why did Hitler admit the English as equals to the Germans if he only fought wars based on racial politics?
Claiming the National Socialists based their "ideology" off of racial conflict is absurd and it leaves too many question unaswered.
This isnt a real explanation.

>Germans said youd be the last to Auschwitz
again, why would Germans ban abortions for Slavs if they wanted Slavs extinct?
Why did Germany have Slavic SS divisions?
They had 2 of them, one of them was never formed official (but had all the men sent to other divisions) however the one of them formed was 80% Galician, Volhynian, and Ukrainian.
Also the Slovaks were sprinkled among the Wehrmacht because the Germans thought so highly of them as soldiers.

>go to a brown country where brown things happen and call it le based
Go to a liberal and open society like Somalia and tell me how heckin free everyone is there.';

'>>16590278
>apocalyptic total war thrust upon them simultaneously
They started it themselves, lol';

'>>16590290
>They started it themselves, lol
Incredibly brain dead retort
Take some responsibility for your own actions for once';

'>>16590264
No he didnt.
He purged a few jews and then they killed him. He never fought them like Hitler did.
>>16590256
we can stop being under the illusion Hitler was some existential threat to the existence of humanity and we work towards a better future by treating with history like sane and reasonable people instead of bronze age semites';

'>>16590293
I didn't attack Poland in Sept. 1st 1939.';

'>>16590290
>They started it themselves
nope.
France invaded Germany with the Saar offensive.
80 divisions launched off to assail a peaceful Germany that had no quarrel with France or England.
>but France and England gave Germany an ultimatum
dont make ultimatums then.';

'>>16590295
Attacking Poland (which fell in 6 weeks) is not starting a global, apocalyptic total war, which the US and UK are primarily responsible for.';

'>>16590294
>He purged a few jews
>IT DOESN'T COUNT! I WANT KZ LAGERS GAS CHAMBERS!!!
Ok, buddy';

'>>16590295
>Poland
can you explain how a removal of the corrupt Polish government is somehow an existential threat to France and England?';

'>>16590296
>dont make ultimatums then
Don't attack Poland then.
>>16590300
Yes it is.
>>16590302
>corrupt Polish government
Wasn't German business.';

'>>16590285
>and pay reparations to "inferior" "races" like the Irish?
His half-brother married an irish woman. He had a son who went to Germany. Hitler gave this nephew a job. Later the nephew demanded a better job but Hitler wanted him to renounce his irish citizenship. Instead the nephew went to the US, made some publicity stunts like writing a book about his uncle Adolf Hitler and joined the war against Germany. Adolf Hitler called this nephew his worst nephew.';

'>>16590306
>Yes it is.
You're a retard
>Wasn't German business.
It was because it directly affected them, but it was even less business of Britain's
also kill yourself reddittranny';

'>>16590312
>You're a retard
I accept your concession.
>It was because it directly affected them
Lmao.
>also kill yourself reddittranny
I accept your concession x2.';

'>>16590301
Nice schizopost.
Stalin removed most but not all jews from influential positions, he did not even touch the general jewish population.
Stalin died on the floor while his predominantly jewish medical team did nothing.

Not sure why youre having a spastic fit over gas chambers.
Unable to find even a shred of evidence of anyone ever being gassed?';

'>>16590322
>he did not even touch the general jewish population
>IT DOESN'T COUNT!!
Ok-ok, the first post was enough.';

'>>16590254
>muh special pleading
they started from practically 0, as well. Again there dozen of other figures like that such as Kim Il Sung, Sadam Hussein or even Abraham Lincoln. You just want to have your edgy mustache man be the "super-coolest" because you're a underage idiot.
>Neither of them had to fight international jewry.
Doesn't exist.';

'>>16590319
smartest allied apologist';

'>>16590306
>do what we say or else
no, thats just unreasonable and at this point (You) need to take responsibility for war if you are making unreasonable demands.
>b-b-but Germany wasnt in the right
whataboutism.
I am not saying Germany was right, I am saying Britian and France were wrong and they take the lion's share of the blame for the war.

Also Britain was subverted by jews like samuel untermeyer.
>>16590308
wow thats crazy, anyway, that is unrelated to what I said, and we can look at their official state policy, Hitler paid reparations to the Irish, something The Western allies NEVER did to anyone who suffered collateral damage. I believe the US only began making token efforts in the last decade but this is just a humiliation ritual.
I know what youre going to say
>The US funneled gibs into Europe
Firstly, the United States NEVER gave anyone in Europe suitcases of money or trucks of gold. The US investment in Europe was in the form of a monetary value for missile sites.
It might cost 200 million to set up a ballistic missile firebase in Western Germany, the United States considers this "200 million in foreign aid".

The United States, and during the Conflict England and France, were completely parasitic while Germany by comparison was a shining beacon of unity and self determination.';

'>>16590343
>(You) need to take responsibility for war if you are making unreasonable demands
"Don't attack Poland" is an unreasonable demand? Lmao.';

'>>16590322
>Stalin removed most but not all jews from influential positions, he did not even touch the general jewish population.
actually he brought many Jews to a remote oblast somewhere in the far East, because communist were distrust of religious people
>Stalin died on the floor while his predominantly jewish medical team did nothing.
Please go on and tell us more about your subconscious schizo illusion. It's very amusing
>Unable to find even a shred of evidence of anyone ever being gassed?
No credible historian since 1945 has ever claimed this. It's only uneducated stupid morons like you who claim this.';

'>>16590329
What are you even trying to say?
Stalin went to war with international jewry by removing some jews in positions of power in the USSR?
Where's the international element?
>it doesnt count
right, it literally does not qualify as fighting international jewry because IT WASNT INTERNATIONAL
>>16590334
>special pleading
nope.
Stalin and Mao both joined with pre-existing groups that were already on the rise, Hitler completely overturned the German laborer movement on his own.
Stalin wasnt even a true Bolshevik.
>Sung
didnt do what Hitler did
>Sadam
didnt do what Hitler did
>Lincoln
he did some of what Hitler did but you arent ready for that redpill.
>you want le bad man to be cool

No, I am just telling you the facts.
You want Hitler to be 'average' because you have an irrational hatred for Hitler because you think its some heroic position to align with the US State Dept.

>doesnt exist

Answer this and you may ignore everything else I have said:

What would international jewry look like if it were real?

What would an inordinate level of jewish influence on the world stage look like?
Would it look like jews hosting conferences in Paris to ask of American jews, German jews, French jews, and English jews to boycott German goods? Does that seem to you like international organized jewry?';

'>>16590347
Yes, actually, deciding you can dictate another nation's foreign policy, without actually caring to hear either side of the dispute, is unreasonable. Especially when the guarantee given isn't actually a promise you can keep, and that the guarantee given is DIRECTLY RESPSONIBLE for the breakdown of reasonable and peaceful negotiations that would have otherwise succeeded.
The anglo cries out as he strikes you';

'>>16590347
>is an unreasonable demand
yes because its none of England's business.
>it was for le right reasons
Well not even that, Poland was just a fall guy. It wasnt even for the right reasons, however in any case, so what if Poland is attacked? Britain and France had a choice to remain neutral, they decided to jump on the first chance they got to justify a war against Germany.

Britain and France had no right to tell Germany what it can and can not do with Poland. >>16590351
>many
not all and not on the basis of them being jewish but on the basis of them being religious.
>schizo illusion
are you unaware of how Stalin died?
>no credible historian
David Cole, who is himself jewish.
also, nice appeal to authority.
>you have to be educated into the holocaust religion

lol
I went to Auschwitz, they literally do not have any material evidence anyone was gassed.

You have an opportunity to make me look really stupid by posting even a single piece of material evidence someone was gassed.
But you cant because none exists because it didnt happen because its a fictional narrative peddled to give jewish people victim points so they can cash those in to deflect criticism when they victimize other groups.';

'>>16590362
>more special pleading
yawn
>No, I am just telling you the facts.
BHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHH
>You want Hitler to be 'average' because you have an irrational hatred for Hitler because you think its some heroic position to align with the US State Dept.
wooooahhhh wait a minute. I don't like the guy that literally destroyed the entire continent I live in a ego-fueled fit of anger. NOW WAY THAT'S SO IRRATIONAL. get the fuck out of here
>Answer this and you may ignore everything else I have said:
>What would international jewry look like if it were real?
>What would an inordinate level of jewish influence on the world stage look like?
Would it look like jews hosting conferences in Paris to ask of American jews, German jews, French jews, and English jews to boycott German goods? Does that seem to you like international organized jewry?
Nope doesn't exist no matter how much of that stormfag koolaid you've drink. Literally on par with religioncuck apologetics. I grant you that they have some considerable power in the US and ofc Israel and some soft in Europe. But that's about it. They're not controlling the world in any meaningful way whatsoever. You're literally in a cult, if you believe this.';

'>>16590366
>deciding you can dictate another nation's foreign policy
>why am I not allowed to violate other nation's sovereignty???!!!
Kek.
>without actually caring to hear either side of the dispute
I don't remember Hitler caring to hear anyone instead of also sending an ultimatum.
>Especially when the guarantee given isn't actually a promise you can keep
You literally blamed the Allies for keeping their promise.
>breakdown of reasonable and peaceful negotiations
Again, there were no negotiations.';

'>>16590383
>>why am I not allowed to violate other nation's sovereignty???!!!
funny troll
Who appoints Britain to police this, and who punishes them for violating the sovereignty of 20% of the earth?
>I don't remember Hitler caring to hear anyone
You're obviously a hollow-skulled retard who doesn't read
>You literally blamed the Allies for keeping their promise.
They didn't keep their promise in any conceivable way?
>Again, there were no negotiations.
>haiii guise lol im a dumb fuck XD
is that what you're trying to say?';

'>>16590379
>yes because its none of England's business
It was.
>so what if Poland is attacked?
Then Britain and France attack Germany as agreed. It wasn't a fucking secret.
>Britain and France had a choice to remain neutral
>NOOOOO WHY AREN'T YOU BREAKING YOUR PROMISE???!!!
Lol.';

'>>16590389
>Who appoints Britain to police this
No need to appoint anyone. Britain offered guarantees, Poland accepted. It's that simple.
>You're obviously a hollow-skulled retard who doesn't read
Denial.
>They didn't keep their promise in any conceivable way?
They promised to enter the war on Poland's side and they did.';

'>>16589812
>Do you really not understand that I could simply be discarded your opinion for a reason?
You're the one denying reality. I swear you have to be either be a dishonest Nazi or a retarded Croat/Ukrainian to believe the Nazis didn't want to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe.
>I have zero interest in doing the absolute bare minimum of defining what Fascism is for you
I already understand what Fascism is as both a political system and ideology given I've read the theory of what actual fascists have written; you seem to think Fascism is more of a labyrinthine religion I'm too deluded or retarded to understand to the point to where you think I'm a worthless gentile to your true belief.
>>16590285
>If Hitler saw his enemies through a lens of RAHOWA then why did he ban abortions for Slavs?
Why are you lying?
>Why did Hitler have such a tremendous respect for Balts whom at the time were seen as a subset of Slavs?
Because he saw them as cannon fodder to be used against the Soviets. He believed they were a "follower race" that existed in a grey area much like the French.
>Why did Hitler admit the English as equals to the Germans if he only fought wars based on racial politics?
Because he saw the English as being Aryan you dumbass, it's why he had cold feet about war with Britain.
>Claiming the National Socialists based their "ideology" off of racial conflict is absurd and it leaves too many question unaswered.
It's true.
>LE SLAV SS DIVISIONS LE GALIZIEN LE SLOVAKS
Man I really am arguing with a retard whose family most likely were Ustase, Hlinka, or Galiziens/UPA. Again, they saw them as cannon fodder that would be dealt with later but were useful now against the Soviets.
>Go to a liberal and open society like Somalia and tell me how heckin free everyone is there.
I used Burma as an example and not some other generic third world regime because of the very unique political system and history there that is uniquely fascist.';

'>>16590379
>I was there personally. I inspected everything. And I can say: Didn't happen. Case closed.
kek, good one
>You have an opportunity to make me look really stupid by posting even a single piece of material evidence someone was gassed.
Nope, I'm not gonna engage with you. Not worth the time. You're going to discard any evidence as "fake" from the get-go. So what's the point? Your narrative is debunked by the single fact alone that no credible historian has ever claimed the Holocaust didn't happen. Not a single one. And no you're not the one "truth-searcher out there" who's figured it all out. You're an idiot who's trying to find something that might, could, potentially would corroborate whatever you're saying. Spoiler alert: You won't find a lot of convincing stuff. Literally on par with religious apologetics. Embarrassing!';

'>>16590382
Listing differences is not special pleading, ape.
>Hitler destroyed Europe
how many bombs did Hitler drop on France?
How many bombs did Hitler drop on Germany?
How many bombs did Hitler drop on Italy?
Oh right it was jewish England.
>doesnt exist
?????????????
I didnt ask you if it existed.
I asked you, what would it look like if it did exist?
What evidence would convince you international jewry exists?

Do you even know what international jewry is? Can (You) define it for us?

You wont do any of this because you're running interference for international jewry, you are literally employing Hasbara in this thread right now.

>controlling the world
?????????????????????
I said jews had significant global influence, what part of this do you deny?
That their influence is significant or that its global?
>considerable power in the US
you mean the World Empire?
So jews have "considerable" power in the World Empire?

They have complete bipartisan support for laws specifically defining behaviors counter to jewish influence.
They dominate America, and America dominates the world.

Hitler was right.';

'>>16590392
>it was
how?
>then Britain and France attack Germany as agreed
So Britain and France wanted war lol, own up to it.
>it wasnt a secret
yes and no, The Germans knew about the British guarantee, they didnt know the British treaty was solely against Germany, furthermore the Germans did not know about the French pact which was kept secret.

>breaking your promise
Britain and France broke treaties before, like how they violated Article 8 of Versailles as well as engaging in aggressive action against immediate neighbors such as the Ruhr offensive where the French occupied a portion of Germany in the 20s.

These 'Westerners' are just loose canons willing to justify everything they do and condemn anyone they dont like.

Defending them is a joke.';

'E1b1b';

'>>16587009
>>16590445
Also imagine using Hitler while arguing in favour of "hidden and occult forces" and any kind of esotericism

Daily Americlown thread
Absolutely clueless';

'>>16590278
>It's a basically irrelevant point to bring up because its not actually a contradiction to what I claimed - that Hitler sought to create a system that would last nine hundred to a thousand years.
Bro you're retarded. Hitler purposefully designed his government to be a clusterfuck because he didn't actually think about any of the shit he was doing.

For example, Hitler was investing what little wealth remained in germany on depreciating military assets instead of the economy itself. He also attacked his few remaining trade partners despite needing foreign currency for trade. Germany only managed to survive because they invaded foreign countries, pilfered what wealth they could, and moved on to the next.

Nazi germany lost the moment they declared genocidal war on the one major power still trading with them. Because again, Hitler was retarded.';

'Just like the dude (bot, you even know which one and version at this point) replying to himself
Hilarious how wars change posting patterns, and activity (a ton), too';

'>>16590294
>we can stop being under the illusion Hitler was some existential threat to the existence of humanity
He was a utopian. Of course he was an existential threat to humanity. He was in the same basket as all of the communists and socialists who think you can ride into the sunset off human suffering.';

'>>16590457
You can download him from github anyways
It's easy and quick

And it'll keep these threads up, with itself
Watch the pace';

'>>16590410
>Why are you lying
Im not, Hitler banned abortions in Slavic regions occupied by Germany.
>he saw them as cannon fodder
What does this even mean? They were among the most lavishly equipped SS divisions such as 11th PzGr Nordland and 5th SS Wiking.
>he believed they were a follower race
source: some historian claimed he uncovered Hitler's secret personal views that mysteriously dont match up with his state policy
L O L
There is no evidence Hitler thought significantly less of any human population aside from jews.
Hitler put Germans first as they were his own, everyone else second, and jews last as they were his enemy.
>English were Aryan
and his enemies so obviously Nat Soc state policy isnt inextricably tied to race.

The Germans had the least race based laws.
jews pretend everything was race based so they can obscure how anti-jewish Germany was.
Germany was too lenient on mulattos and literal africans.
>its true
Its obviously not true as it has no power to explain German state policy or even a lot of their personal views.
You seem to think that Hitler considered Slavs subhuman because he called them terminal bumpkins for never progressing past 1600 technologically.

>they saw them as cannon fodder
Except they didnt because as I already stated many Balto-Slavs were put into the most well equipped SS divisions.
Also how would you even know a group was seen as cannon fodder?
They werent treated like cannon fodder, they were well kept and well armed.
>uniquely fascist
nope.
Fascism can only and exclusively exist in Italy. You do not understand Fascism or National Socialism. These are "spirits" intrinsically tied to the land and the nation, they can not be transplanted like Liberalism, and even liberalism can not be transplanted.
International Communism only works on very specific groups already predisposed to such behaviors.
liberalism works with Anglo Saxons, it does not work with thirdies.


You should avoid political discourse. you arent a real player.';

'>>16590418
Irrelevant differences. They all started from 0, were in a war or armed conflict, got to number 1 position in the state and some where even involved in WWII. You just want to hold onto Hitler's special status by any means.

>Oh right it was jewish England.
He started it, you fucking dumbass. What you think England should have done? Not react at all. Send a letter of complaint? Get the fuck out off here.
>What evidence would convince you international jewry exists?
If you could prove that Jews are the elites in every major society on planet Earth.
>Do you even know what international jewry is? Can (You) define it for us?
>NO UH I'M JUST GONNA DEFINE INTERNATIONAL JEWRY INTO BEING TAKE THAT
as I said, Christcuck-tier
>I said jews had significant global influence, what part of this do you deny?
So what? Many other ethnicities have "significant global influence".
>you mean the World Empire?
US is not a world empire, it's just a big player on the world stage. It doesn't control every single fucking major thing on the entire planet. It's influence is big, but it's nowhere as grand as you need it to be for your "Jew controls everything" narrative. Also Jews don't control the US in any meaningful way, there are many other forces who exert power. Such as conservatives, Christians, liberals, libertarians, Mexicans and Latinos, Mormons, Black and White Nationalists to some degree, the fucking Church of Scientology and so on
>They dominate America, and America dominates the world.
Nope, not really. They just have lots of influence. They're no dominating it. Otherwise, Gaza and Westjodan would already be wiped off the map along with Iran.
>Hitler was right.
Hitler was a dumbass, just like his followers today.';

'>>16590412
>uhh uhm there's totally evidence but I uh cant show you, how absurd of you to ask for evidence which you wouldnt believe anyway
HAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAAA
Didnt I call this?

These hasbara chimps will bump a thread to 300 posts defending israel and organized jewry, but you ask for even a shred of evidence for gassing and they immediately look for an out.';

'>Dead Internet
>Dead boards
>Archives switched and seized once again
>Boards transferred
>1 open source bot and more than a handful switched to full on activity once the humans who did it got in irl trouble, spamming every board

What a pathetic attempt at making a honeypot, even more sad than pol, worthless and incompetent

>inb4 4 more wall texts of the same bot arguing with itself in a handful of minutes';

'>>16590465
>he was a Utopian
and he created a Utopia relative to child prostitutes, mass homelessness, and civil wars.
>it would never last
the old tactic of the defeated, begrudgingly admit it was good, then immediately pivot to "yeah well it wouldnt be good for long!"';

'>>16590485
I'm not an expert on the Holocaust and don't need to be to dismiss your lies and propaganda out of hand. If you really cared, you'd study history and debate with real historians on the matter. Not try to catfish gullible idiots into your cult on an anonymous website- But literally NO ONE NOT A SINGLE PERSON out of you does that. Because you know all too well that your entire narrative would be torn apart.';

'>>16590482
>irrelevant differences
no? The fact Hitler built a movement from nothing is not irrelevant.
The Bolsheviks and Marxists and Communists all predated Stalin, in fact Stalin didnt even play any significant role in the Communist Revolution.
Mao was never at 0 and Mao was riding on the coattails of an already powerful party in China and only because his specific subset was stronger than the others.
Hitler built everything from a drinking hall of disgruntled friends with less political clout than the American Alt Right.
You want to destroy or undermine Hitler's novelty by any means and everyone knows what youre doing.

>what should England have done
stayed out of something that isnt their business.

>jews are the elites in every major society on earth
What about overrepresented in influence at the elite level of the top 5 most influential countries in the 1930s?
Would that suffice?
if not-why not?

Why are you angry that I asked you to define something you espouse knowledge about?

Define international jewry.

>many other ethnicities have "significant global influence"
we arent talking about other ethnicites.
jews are overrepresented in their global influence relative to how many there are.
At least Europeans were 50% of the planet in the 1800s, this justifies their overrepresentation.
Whereas jews are not even 2% of the Global Powers they use to dictate geopolitical maneuvers.

>US is not a world empire
You are not a serious person.
>control every single major thing
That is not apart of the criteria for a world empire.
A world Empire would be someone who's sphere of influence is a plurality of the world.
That is the US and that is also jewish influence.

The Romans were a European empire, though they did not rule every major people in Europe.
>jews dont dominate America
They literally do.
>Gaza
as we speak
>Iran
literally non-stop psyopping of Americans to facilitate this.
>Hitler was le bad

nope.
Hitler was right.
You are running Hasbara for israel.';

'Funny bot

It just makes me smile how you had to resort to It/him, you are desperate';

'>>16590502

Again, you can silence dissent forever if you would just post a single shred of material evidence for anyone being gassed at Auschwitz.

I have studied the holocaust extensively, been to Auschwitz, I know this is hard for you to accept, being a jewish shill, anti-NS, and all, but its true.
There is no material evidence for anyone ever being gassed at Auschwitz.';

'Full on damage control

Actually ngmi';

'>>16590530
all of this rationalization to cope with massive cognitive dissonance. I don't know where I should even begin with. Just go outside bro and find a girl instead of obsessing over Adolf Hitler of all people lmao';

'>>16590537
>Again, you can silence dissent forever if you would just post a single shred of material evidence for anyone being gassed at Auschwitz.
Just open a history book. Just go to a lecture on modern history and ask a historian. Literally that easy. Why have you never thought of that? Also nobody's silencing you, you can freely speak your mind in the US. Why don't you do that? Oh yes, because you'd get response that immediately demask you as the fraud you are.
> I have studied the holocaust extensively
No you haven't.
>I know this is hard for you to accept
No shit sherlock. I don't like when people lie to me. That makes me upset.
>being a jewish shill, anti-NS
Tell us more about your subconscious delusions, it's very insightful.
>There is no material evidence for anyone ever being gassed at Auschwitz.
There is, you just don't care about it.';

'Next time spend more time training the bot model you downloaded, clowns';

'>>16590544
>still refuses to define international jewry
concession accepted.
>>16590560
I have done all of those things, yet there is still no material evidence of gassing.
rest of your post is you in denial.

If you dont post material evidence I am going to assume you bluffed and you had none.
Concession accepted (in advance).';

'>>16590567
>concession accepted. concession accepted. concession accepted. concession accepted. concession accepted.
say it one more time faggot! All you have is 4chan lingo from teenagers and fake bravado. Reminder that in the real world you don't matter and neither do your worthless opinions.

;)';

'>Bot users pretending they are posters
The absolute state';

'>>16590478
>Im not, Hitler banned abortions in Slavic regions occupied by Germany.
There is zero evidence for that on any level and there are immense amounts of evidence for the opposite.
>Wiking
... was overwhelmingly German apart from small groups of Finns/Estonians(honorary Aryans), Scandinavians(who were Aryan in the German's eyes).
>Nordland
Most Estonians there were conscripts who were pretty much sent in with a gun at their backs and told "if you fight for us, you get the best gear and you might even get your land back!" Many even left to fight for Finland when they got the chance.
>source: some historian claimed he uncovered Hitler's secret personal views that mysteriously dont match up with his state policy
1. That's a lie
2. You've never read Mein Kampf, Rosenberg, or any actual Nazis(not neo-nazis) if you believe this.
>jews pretend everything was race based so they can obscure how anti-jewish Germany was.
That's a new one.
>Germany was too lenient on mulattos and literal africans.
Because there were barely any of them and the ones that were there ended up largely being sterilized
>Its obviously not true as it has no power to explain German state policy or even a lot of their personal views.
ANY source for this? I'm just wondering. I've got a ton for otherwise.
>Also how would you even know a group was seen as cannon fodder?
Because of the way non-Germans in the SS were treated and utilized vs. Germans?
>Fascism can only and exclusively exist in Italy. You do not understand Fascism or National Socialism. These are "spirits" intrinsically tied to the land and the nation, they can not be transplanted like Liberalism, and even liberalism can not be transplanted.
No True Scotsman lmao, you really do see Fascism as a religion.
>liberalism works with Anglo Saxons
Thanks for implying Germans are too retarded to understand how stuff like inalienable rights and nationalism work.';

'>>16587996
>>16588016
Populism is not just rhetoric. It‘s modeling your appearance, goals, organization, members and message after your audience. National Socialism had a completely different approach to politics.

>>16588044
Let me guess. You think being a good businessman means you never made any bad investments ever?
Being popular means to be so uncontroversial no one hates you?
Being smart means no one ever thinks you are dumb?';

'>>16590647
>There is zero evidence for that on any level and there are immense amounts of evidence for the opposite.
Nope. Its from the book Peacemakers.
>overwhelmingly German
It had entire Battalions of Balts, who wouldnt have been allowed to serve with Germans in heavy SS divisions if what you said was true.
>most Estonians were conscripts
nope, they were eager recruits and many of them continued fighting as the Forest Brothers for more than a decade after the war ended.
>Mein Kampf
I have read it and I dont consider it to be particularly important as people's views change throughout their lives and from what we see for official state policy either Hitler's personal views on race changed or he didnt allow his personal views on race to drive NS policy.
>thats a new one
What do you mean? WLP has said this. David Cole has said this.
>there were barely any of them
you mean they werent a problem? So very obviously German racial policy is practical rather than some irrational hatred.
>any source for this
Yes.... we can see how Germans employed numerous Slavic groups, German racial theorists like Himmler espoused pro-Slavic views and even distributed pamphlets confirming the Aryan and even Germanic ancestry of various pro-German slavic groups.
This is a form of real politik applied to social governance.
>ive got a ton otherwise
please share, where did the Germans spurn their allies and call them subhumans or non-Aryan?
>non-Germans in the SS were treated
you mean often as specialists or serving alongside Germans in well equipped divisions???
L O L

>no true scotsman
nah, you just dont understand that NS isnt political as much as it a return of something more primeval.
>see fascism as a religion
is monarchism a religion?
Yes and no, it fits into a religious context while democracy or communism really do not. "fascism" is similar.

>inalienable rights and nationalism
two unsustainable things leading to the collapse and replacement of Anglos in their own homelands.';

'>>16587035
Mao and Stalin both had help of jewish leaders like Kissinger and jewish global finance.';

'>>16591547
>nah, you just dont understand that NS isnt political as much as it a return of something more primeval.
National socialism was highly political as it was about the distribution of income. The German 25 point program included the obilition of unearned income, as Henry George wanted (Marx and George disliked each other).';

'>>16588750
>the classic term, not demons.
Literally the same thing, abrahamic just changed the meaning to mean bad.
Also parapsychology (ie the perfect mix of science and religion) does prove this is all true. Researchers into out of body experiences do provide proof.';

'>>16588750
Genghis khan, too.
How one man manages to do all of that without luck is insane.
He was a tengriist.';

'>>16592463
Venice was behind Genghis Khan all along, zero percent luck involved.';

'>>16587009
rothschild blood and connections.';

'>>16587009
> How was his meteoric rise possible?

Looks around in his life to see good workers fall down to be replaced by quick & dirty jobbers who are quickly promoted to leadership roles.

.....Yeah, I don't care. I just witness the bullshit.';

'>>16588189
>h-he’s like t-totally a friggin DIPSHIT!!!
GO BACK';

'>>16591495
>National Socialism had a completely different approach to politics.
Once they got into absolute power, yes, and even then their actions were defined by their fear of public revolt similar to the end of WWI almost as much as it was defined by race autism
I know what you are, retard, and you need to read books instead of infographics';

'>>16592332
That isnt really NS itself being political as much as it is NS is just involved in politics defacto as it was the political hegemon along with being the social, martial, cultural, and spiritual hegemon.';

'>>16594537
>le infographics
you are not a serious person, you fall back on claiming everyone with an opposing view got them from infographics because you are unable to articulate your own position clearly.

NS sought to do what was best for Germany.
It was NOT a blatant power grab like what the jews do in every country.
The Germans openly and often made attempts to curtail their own power.
You do not know this because you unironically do not have a high level of educational attainment or a strong grasp on the material.

You are so rotted you are a unable to fathom a governing body and its vanguard actually doing what they did because they were true believers in the idea of Just Rule Strong Rule Strong Nation.

unironically read more books about the medieval era if you want to understand NS.';

'>>16594606
You're the one that's claiming the NSDAP came to power on a coherent platform beyond "it has to be better than what we've got now"
I think you got your entire worldview from infographics because I know of no fucking book that supports your delusions
>NS sought to do what was best for Germany.
If you define Germany as something other than "Germany the country/culture", sure.
>It was NOT a blatant power grab like what the jews do in every country.
Oh, you're trolling, I get it';

'>>16587009
YHWH willed it so that the Jews could return to Israel and the third temple could be constructed. Hitler is similar to a Judas figure who could back out at any time but was needed to fulfill his plans.';

'>>16594631
>I think you got your entire worldview from infographics because I know of no fucking book that supports your delusions
>critical and original thought is delusional
you are the type of person to believe communism works because the public tv at the breadline said so';

'>>16594631
>it was a power grab
Then why did it go out of its way to appeal to everyone even the ceremonial vestiges after it got into power? Right because it wasnt a power grab it was a revival.
You literally dont even know this because you are not well read.

The first job of the SS wasnt smashing political dissent or securing local popularity.
It was working as unpaid labor to rebuild small businesses and shops and driving kids to school and parents to church.

You dont know this because you exclusively read war or very superficial economic books that do not go into what NS was and how it manifested as a grass roots social movement.';

'>>16594663
>>critical and original thought is delusional
Making random, unfounded claims to support your wish that the nazis were actually really smart is delusion, yes
>>16594667
>Then why did it go out of its way to appeal to everyone even the ceremonial vestiges after it got into power?
Everyone except for the jews, gays, disabled, communists, anarchists, democrats, darkies, or really anyone who wasn't a business magnate. I'll give you that they were terrified of food riots, but making sure (some) of your people stay in food and water isn't exactly populism in my mind.
>Right because it wasnt a power grab it was a revival.
You don't seem to know how the NSDAP came to be the sole party. Can you go look it up and then come back to me?
>The first job of the SS wasnt smashing political dissent or securing local popularity.
>It was working as unpaid labor to rebuild small businesses and shops and driving kids to school and parents to church.
I don't even know what to say to that. First off, you know about the SA and are ignoring it for some reason, and second off the existence of SS troops who did nice things does not somehow invalidate their orders to also murder, loot, and terrorize.';

'>>16590362
Hitler didn't invent German fascism.
He rode on the coat tails of guys like Ludendorf (his main benefactor that saved his ass) and Strasser.';

'>>16592328
>jewish global finance
And you think Hitler, the same Hitler who was instrumental in causing and sustaining the largest war in human history, a war that led virtually all of the major world powers and many minor ones as well to be massively indebted to that same jewish global finance, was somehow acting against that interest?

Willing or not, Hitler was absolutely a pawn of the people who saw such massive profits from the war. Some might describe him as a "useful idiot" who never had a shred of a hope of victory against the combined forces of Western Europe and America, but whose bitter struggle nonetheless was the critical factor that drove so many Western nations to take on obscene amounts of debt.';

'>>16588228
Foreseeing the rise of the USSR and the US was not unique at all in that time.
The US was already the richest country on Earth, and the fear of a 'Red Tide' sweeping out of Russia and into the West, was deeper than any dislike of Nazism up until the invasion of Poland.';

'>>16587009
He had autistic rizz.';

'>>16594693
>Making random, unfounded claims to support your wish that the nazis were actually really smart is delusion, yes
provably false. NS party leader IQ was vastly above that of their contemporaries.

>NS didnt appeal to the openly hostile or marginal elements of society therefore they werent doing what was best for the nation
L O L
You're not only wrong, you're a textbook example of the history channel boomer.
>everyone except for jews
jews were extremely anti-German in their collective and individual behavior, naturally their influence will be resisted.
Hitler even worked with jews see Havaara agreement, and jews still spurned him.
>gays
literally allowed to run wild to the point they were sleeping with children. Then they had to be ousted thoroughly.
Youre just flat out wrong here, they were not only tolerated but grafted in until they were irreconcilably degenerated beyond saving.
>disabled
They had extensive provisions for the disabled, especially veterans. Furthermore their abortion program was exclusively for infants who would suffer briefly then die, their official policy was to wait and see if quality of life possible.
This is a policy more benevolent than that of ALL Western nations TODAY.
>communists
nope, NS actually recruited Communists because they were the most likely to be 'true believers'. even called them "rindersteaks" red on the inside and brown on the outside.
many communists were just criminals like the homosexuals.
>anarchists
complaining a State is not giving provisions to a militant anti-State organization
Pedantic.
>democrats
grafted in with commies - both had many of their demands met, youre still wrong they did appeal to both
>darkies
Germans were the first to give guns and ammo to Ethiopia.
>ignoring the SA
those are the homosexuals, communists, and anarchists you claim werent appealed to.
>invalidate their orders to murder loot and terrorize
it does actually because in peace they were benevolent, in war they were warriors.';

'>>16594728
>causing
Hitler didnt cause the war.
>Sustaining
he made over 200 peace offers.
>acting against that interest
Hitler regularly warned everyone who would listen of the danger of throwing in with the jew
>Hitler was a pawn
nope.
Hitler was the only one acting outside their plans.
>never had a shred of victory
how was Hitler supposed to know Anglos would literally give up their empire and race in exchange for.... I dont even know what they got, a less robust Germany for three decades?';

'>>16587430
>never agreed to compromises with the system, instead the system agreed to compromises with him
He made up military border incursions to invade Poland. He ousted Rohm using a fictitious coup as justification. Hitler lived in constant fear of the system. He also got extremely lucky that some old school leaders died of natural causes when they did as well.';

'>>16594736
>Foreseeing the rise of the USSR and the US was not unique at all in that time.
>and the fear of a 'Red Tide' sweeping out of Russia and into the Wes
Yet who was preparing for it?';

'>>16590379
>Britain and France had a choice to remain neutral, they decided to jump on the first chance they got to justify a war against Germany.
Germany had a choice to remain neutral as well, but they decided to invade white christian that was a bulwark against communism, knowing it will trigger war with Poland's allies.
Poland, Britain and France were sovereign states and they could have each other international relations as they pleased, especially a defensive alliance.

>Britain and France had no right to tell Germany what it can and can not do with Poland.
Germany had no right to invade Poland, because they had the non-aggression pact.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/blbk01.asp
Moreover, Germany invaded Poland without declaration of war. Germany was truly a backstabbing state ruled by bloody bastard.

>>16590302
>can you explain how a removal of the corrupt Polish government is somehow an existential threat to France and England?
a Nazi apologist is talking something about corruption, lmao
Hitler was claiming Alsace–Lorraine to be rightful German clay, so the French and the British had a moral right to defend themselves and Poland against Germany.
In terms of international policy NS-Germany was a rabid dog that had to be put down.

back to /pol/, now';

'>>16587009
>>16587017
Back then when parents told their kids "you could grow up to be the President" it was actually true';

'>>16587009
He's built from the same material as Napoleon and Alexander, that's it
Charisma and oratory skills he developed';

'>>16595406
Britain's alliance with Poland was more against the USSR than Germany, initially.
Same with the Intermarium project.';

'No post in this thread matters except this one.
Carl Jung described him as a manifestation of Wotan. In other words, he was a manifestation of and possessed by the Collective German Spirit.
The rest of this thread is, undoubtedly, full of retards arguing over "wahh he was le evil" or "he was just really smart and good"
It's all irrelevant if ignorant of the Jungian interpretation.';

'>>16587259
What's so bad about gnosticism?';

'>>16595782
>Germany had a choice
They had a legitimate reason for intervention in Poland.
Britain and France not.
>White Christian
Which Britain and France also did and did so without good reason.
>they could have a defensive alliance as they please
Sure but don’t be a coward about the reason. This was an explicitly anti-German alliance. It wasn’t for some high and noble mutual protection. It was Poland falling for a ruse to give a Cassus Belli.
>Germany had no right to invade Poland
Wrong. After years of bargaining with Poland their diplomatic efforts were deliberately thwarted by a warmongering West who gave assurances they could not make good on to a belligerent and corrupt Junta.
Poland was not a Sovereign state ruling by the consent of the governed. It was a tyrannical junta. There is no definition of sovereign which respects Westphalia and has Poland as sovereign.
>Nazi
No such thing as Nazi
>Apologist
You mean someone explaining historical events at a level of analysis deeper than “MUH HECKIN BASED POLAND”

>because Hitler believed France stole land from Germany France was justified in invading Germany
Lol
Then say that, make your opening statement “yes the warmongering West was heavily influenced by jewish lobbyists and had a might makes right mentality which is why they sought war with Germany and rejected 150+ peace offers”
Don’t be a coward.
Admit the West was warmongering.
>rabid dog
Made less declarations of war and only went to war after years of negotiations broke down, also made over 200 peace offers while the West made zero.

Yes, how rabid. The Nation constantly with a peace movement.

You are either jewish or in denial and this is your cope because you are unable to deal with reality honestly because “if the good guys won why are White people being replaced?”';

'.';

'>>16596658
>Britain's alliance with Poland was more against the USSR than Germany,
pic rel
> Intermarium
>he thinks the intermarium could have withstood the USSR
doubly pic related, lmao';

'>>16597344
he's here 24/7 on his one-tranny crusade against national socialism from his cuckshed in Malmö
He's angry because national socialists would take away his access to dragon dildos and butt plugs';

'>>16597344
Begging for peace while losing a war is a common tactic.
The Nazi party that ruled through murder and oppression, was worse than Poland by far.';

'>>16590379
David Cole still believes that the Holocaust was a policy of Germany.
He disputes what Auschwitz was used for, but he doesn't dispute the directed mass killings of Jews.';

'>>16590530
Fascism in Germany predated Hitler and was supported by much of the military aristocracy before him.';

'>>16598924
Yes, Churchill especially hated the Bolsheviks more than the Germans and he was a significant political force in Britain, even prior to becoming PM.
It doesn't matter if the Intermarium could have beat the USSR, what matters is that the project's intention was to be a united front against it.';

'>>16596717
Wotan was a nasty god of death that reaped souls for his own use and manipulated events to scheme and cause more violence to get souls into Valhalla.
Take the story of Odin and the Whetstone, where he tricks a bunch of men into killing one another, because taking their souls doesn't require their deaths to be heroic, just violent and through battle.
Or the common human sacrifices that were done to Wotan and Odin and Wodin. Captives were commonly hung as a means of sacrificing them to him.

Jung calling Hitler the embodiment of Wotan is not a compliment.';

'>>16599179
Weird you pick Churchill as an example because he was an incredibly stupid, shortsighted man and literally the world's first career politician, who'd shamelessly say whatever you payed him to even if it utterly contradicted what he said beforehand. He also insisted on fighting a war by selling the Empire to the USA.
Probably the worst counterpoint you could have made to my point about nobody else having any real geopolitical foresight aside from Hitler

>It doesn't matter if the Intermarium could have beat the USSR,
It doesn't matter if it "intended" to do so because it was a stupid, arrogant and short-sighted project that served as more of a power fantasy than anything.';

'>>16599188
Christcuck understanding of germanic paganism
Yahweh genocided entire peoples as a result of his BPD tantrums';

'>>16599127
>while losing a war
Hitler asked for peace long before Germany went into the defensive. Even after the Fall of France, a devastating defeat for the Allies, he asked for peace or at least negotiations. The UK didn't answer because their goal was to destroy Germany, not just contain, destroy, and were ready to risk everything (including the empire) to reach this goal';

'>>16597344
>They had a legitimate reason for intervention in Poland.
what was the reason to destroy bulwark against bolshevism with the Soviets? alleged massacres of ethnic Germans? it didn't really happen before the 1st of September

>After years of bargaining with Poland their diplomatic efforts
just become a German vassal, give up half of your territory and let them murder 3 millions of your citizens (Polish Jews), bro

>Sure but don’t be a coward about the reason. This was an explicitly anti-German alliance. It wasnt for some high and noble mutual protection. It was Poland falling for a ruse to give a Cassus Belli.
The alliance was signed on 25 August 1939, 2 days after Germany signed anti-Polish treaty with the Soviets. And it was about mutual protection, just read it: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Agreement_of_Mutual_Assistance_between_the_United_Kingdom_and_Poland-London_(1939)
There would be no Polish-British alliance if Germany didn't team up with the USSR on 23 August 1939.

>Poland was not a Sovereign state ruling by the consent of the governed. It was a tyrannical junta. There is no definition of sovereign which respects Westphalia and has Poland as sovereign.
If it wasn't a sovereign state, prove it. Yes its regime was authoritarian, but it was million times better for Poles than German occupation, oppression, robbery and killing millions of Polish citizens.
>much tyrannical junta
For you of course nothing happened on 8–9 November 1923. And how is killing and imprisoning every of your political opponents any better than being a junta? Stop pretending to be an advocate of democracy, it's very hypocritical and pathetic thing to do as a NS-apologist.
Sanacja rule was no less legimitate than NSDAP rule.

>also made over 200 peace
These offers were meaningless as the war in the east still would be going on. The war in Europe was started in Poland by German invasion and Germany escalated it into global conflict on 22 June 1941 and 7-11 December 1941.';

'>>16592328
You have no proof.';

'when will Swedecel get a job?';

'>>16599280
Nie jestem Szwedzkim anonem, kurwa mać. Mylisz mnie z nim.';

'>>16599254
Why would Britain engage in peace talks when they were unharmed and had as much time as they needed to prepare for an invasion behind the walls of the RAF and the Royal Navy, two things Germany couldn't beat?';

'>>16599205
That doesn't change that Wotan was very much a god of death and conflict, and was worshiped in that way by his followers.
Wotan was a dangerous figure, who brought knowledge and order to the cosmos but also strife and madness and was constantly paranoid and fearful for his own future.';

'>>16599296
nobody actually needs your half-baked analysis of germanic paganism bro';

'>>16599201
>It doesn't matter if it "intended" to do so because it was a stupid, arrogant and short-sighted project that served as more of a power fantasy than anything.
But enough about Nazi Germany?

Churchill was very consistent on his anti-Bolshevism.
And probably would have allied with a more sane Germany against the USSR if ever given the chance.
He was not the 'first career politician' that is a retarded thing to say, as though he didn't have a life as an author and military officer beforehand, and as though there weren't plenty of figures in all nations before him that were also politicians as a profession.';

'>>16599300
You didn't know anything about Wotan and figured he was just Zeus but for Germans and also less rapey.
So Jung calling Hitler an embodiment of him had to have been a huge compliment.
Only the reality is that Wotan was a morally ambiguous figure who brought order and violence in equal turn and could not be trusted by human men.

Why don't you actual learn about what you're trying to quote instead of reguritating it with no deeper thinking.
Otherwise, if you have any real counterpoints, list them.';

'>>16599302
>But enough about Nazi Germany?
Predictable half assed response

>Churchill was very consistent
The man could not think a year ahead.
>And probably would have allied with a more sane Germany
Literally the only in-sane government was Britain's. He was a scoundrel, a coward, and a traitor to his own nation.
You're claiming something that is simply contrary to the facts.
> as though there weren't plenty of figures in all nations before him that were also politicians as a profession.
Way to demonstrate that you don't understand what "career politician" means';

'>>16599306
I know more of this topic than you, dumb fuck.';

'>>16599314
Feel free to share then, retard.
Because you don't actually have shit to say. You got caught quoting stuff you didn't understand.';

'>>16599321
I'm not that guy, and your analysis of the quote is still incredibly low iq and reactionary.';

'Nah, hitler being called wotan sounds like a compliment, I'm sorry, but it does.';

'>>16599325
I'm sure you aren't.
Regardless feel free to explain how it is either.
Wotan was a dangerous god, even Wagner's Ring has him as a very ambiguous and untrustworthy figure that drives the conflict of the play. Where he manipulates characters, sets conflicts up for his own benefit, and ends up eventually paying the ultimate price in the Gotterdamerung.';

'>>16599310
Not half-assed, accurate.
Nazi Germany fits your little insult line the best of any European nation.
Deal with it. The arrogance of the Nazis was boundless and they were wrecked for it.

Churchill was smart and competent.
He would have worked with Hitler had Hitler been sane, and not an irrational moron.
Instead, Hitler wanted to make the Kaiser look functional and moderate and restarted the World War.
Elaborate on his failure to plan ahead.
If you think that Churchill was a traitor because of his alliance with the Americans, you're a fool.
Britian and American were growing closer and closer throughout the early 20th century. With talk of a trans-atlantic union of sorts being a not uncommon opinion among the more 'progressive' types. Britain even wanted to start adopting the same firearms as the US prior to the war, trialing popular American firearms and buying American guns.
A British-American partnership was always going to happen. And Churchill handled it well while maintaining British influence.

Again, Churchill had a long career in the military before he ever became a politician.
He did not spend his entire life in government, while many before him did do that as their main way of life.
What is your idiosyncratic definition here, so I can address it?';

'>>16599355
What is it about this board that the people in it are completely unable to have a sane, logical and intelligent argument? There is literally no talking reason into someone this stupid.
This guy's skull would be better used as a toilet brush holder.';

'>>16599355
>Churchill
a bigger fool there never was';

'>>16587009
You must not believe in the possibility for a meteoric rise because you were a crying baby a couple years ago and now you're still having a tantrum online. Of course someone chasing their dreams and actually achieving it must seem like magic to you.';

'>>16599291
the question is, what does UK gain from continuing the war? And it's not like they kept being unharmed, german submarines did a lot of damage to their trade and the Luftwaffe bombed them too (not comparable in scale to what the Allies did later but still considerable)';

'>>16599406
>no argument
Thanks for telling me I'm right.
Don't be so tsundere next time about it.
>>16599410
>rambing words words words brainrot about muh evil jews and catholics';

'>>16599547
>I shit all over the chessboard and now you quit playing I WIN!!!
That's you.';

'>>16599553
I stated clearly how Chruchill was a good leader.
Why rambled about how he should have just let Hitler do whatever he wanted because Catholics are evil.';

'>>16599558
>why
*You
Autocorrect fucked me on that one';

'>>16599558
You clearly get off on my (You)s so goodbye';

'>>16599574
Have an argument next time, sweaty.';

'>>16599519
Containing a hostile power that clearly wanted to challenge its naval and air power and intended to turn it into an economic vassal in a replication of Napoleon's Continental System.
A hostile power driven by an irrational and insane ideology that wouldn't stop its war machine until it burnt everything, because Germany's economy was totally geared towards it.

Why would Britain sue for peace, when victory was always attainable?
The RAF beat the Luftwaffe, the Royal Navy beat the Kriegsmarine.
Why would they quit, when it was just a waiting game until they had the chance and resources together to reinvade Germany and push them back and out of France?

Hell, just waiting out Germany losing to Russia would have been enough.';

'>>16599594
>Containing a hostile power that clearly wanted to challenge its naval and air power and intended to turn it into an economic vassal in a replication of Napoleon's Continental System.
If you had actually read anything, in good faith, about Adolf Hitler, you'd be able to see how hilarious off the mark this statement is. Genuine retardation.

>A hostile power driven by an irrational and insane ideology that wouldn't stop its war machine until it burnt everything,
But enough about the western allies.

> when victory was always attainable?
It wasn't though, they literally could not win without sucking american cock and selling the whole empire to them. They literally could not and DID not win without paying the price.

You are a delusional fucking cunt.';

'>>16599736
What is the difference in your mind between good faith and complimentary?
The Allies built a new world from the ashes and willingly rebuilt Europe and brought it into a peaceful golden age.
Britain lost a lot less than Germany did. And it integrated itself into the post-war system very well.';

'>>16599594
>Containing a hostile power that clearly wanted to challenge its naval and air power and intended to turn it into an economic vassal in a replication of Napoleon's Continental System.
source?
>A hostile power driven by an irrational and insane ideology that wouldn't stop its war machine until it burnt everything, because Germany's economy was totally geared towards it.
source?
>Why would Britain sue for peace, when victory was always attainable?
with the UK on its own it would have been a long and painful war with no assurance for victory. Invading continental Europe would be incredibly costly and likely to fail. As you rightly point out at the end of your post, what ultimately won the war for the UK was Germany attacking Russia, because Germany concentrated all its military might for this action. Had Germany instead chosen to direct the war effort against the UK, it would be a perpetual stalemate at best. So, without the UK knowing of the planned attack on Russia, continuing the war after the Fall of France was risky and irrational';

'>>16599755
>The Allies built a new world from the ashes
The allies turn europe into ashes in collaboration with Bolshevik terror.
> into a peaceful golden age.
lmao. You are beyond saving.
>Britain lost a lot less than Germany did.
Britain owned 1/4 of the globe's surface you stupid cunt.
>And it integrated itself into the post-war system very well.
Translation: It submitted itself to the American Empire easily';

'>>16599815
Life isn't a Paradox game you fucking moron.
Britain didn't own 1/4th the globe.
They had claims to it among other European powers and a tenuous grasp over most of it, if any at all. And significantly, the colonies took more effort to police and attempt to assert any actual claim over, than they ever paid out.
Stop playing video games and looking at maps on Google Images and actually learn about real history. A red shaded chunk of Africa isn't actually British, believe it or not, you fucking child.

Yeah dude, the post-War period wasn't a huge boom in European art, tech, and development.
Yeah bro, Europe looked like a bombed out hellhole until 1990.';

'>>16599866
I can see you're completely detached from reality and will say anything if it means another (You).';

'>>16599894
At this point you're just looking for anyone to reply to you so you can spam a bunch of retarded garbage and then say, "actually you're all dumb and I'm right".
This has been an entire thread of people calling you a moron and you still haven't grasped why they're doing that.';

'>>16599907
>This has been an entire thread of people calling you a moron
>two or three really dedicated (OBSESSED) redditfags saying absolute anything they can think of, not here to discuss actual facts but own le /pol/
not your reddit colony, go back';

'bro is here genuinely trying to tell me that the British Empire was not real
unbelievable';

'>>16587009
You forgot
>early 1910s: lived one year in Liverpool';

'>>16599919
You are the kind of person who asks themselves all the time why China didn't conquer the Pacific or why Rome didn't try and sail for the New World.';

'>>16600049
you are the kind of person who determines what he perceives as "truth" by first deferring to consensus.
You are obviously struggling without an updoot function right now.';

'>>16600061
You're shadowboxing.';

'>>16600070
you're trans';

'>>16599127
Hitler asked for peace even as France capitulated and Britain was on the backfoot at Dunkirk and during the Battle of London.
>Nazi
no such thing as "Nazi"
>NS ruled through murder and oppression
Nope. They had less people in prison per capita than the US and UK today. The average German lived a life free from most bureaucratic elements not even mentioning how many benefits they received.
According to Robert's book "The House that Hitler built" NS Germany had a greater quality of life than that of the average Westerner to such a degree Chamberlain himself said "If accepted the author's conclusion I should despair."';

'>>16599131
He undermines a narrative that is illegal to question and adds credibility to holocaust skepticism.
Also he does in fact deny that jews were the victims of a mass murder plot, what he believes is jews were a repressed minority being victimized by the State - not a holocaust.';

'>>16599355
>the arrogance
of what? Operating within their own sphere of influence and seeking honest and fair dealings with good faith European powers?
What do you call the Empire of the World declaring it a threat to their own security if Hitler fights for regime change in a corrupt backwater mafia state?
>Churchill was smart and competent
smart and competent people get absolutely crushed financially?
>Had Hitler been sane
what did Hitler do that was not sane? Nothing. Hitler had a laundry list of well thought out explanations for The Restoration efforts.
>British and Americans were growing closer
due to propagandization and largely due to jewish influence as FDR actually stated in 1938 he would send weapons to Hitler if the British parliament didnt fuck off with their absurd demands of Germany. This was quickly shut down by baruch.
>A british american partnership was always going to happen
see above, that is completely laughable, even during the war OSS and NKVD were closer than the OSS and British intelligence, in fact British intelligence was famously treacherous as they had people like Kim Philby - who was linked up to a jewish NKVD agent by his jewish girlfriend when he was stationed in Vienna.

Furthermore there were no less than three assassinations of American leaders who took strong anti-British stances from 1860-1890.

The Great Rapproachment was a fabrication of British spy networks - Murchison letter.
Even then the Americans opposed the British role at Versailles and the Americans opposed the British demands upon Germany regarding Czechoslovakia and their support for Poland.';

'>>16599755
Native Britons literally can not displace an openly hostile mayor of their own capitol due to the absolute political hegemony of non-Britons in Britain.
>The Allies built a new world
the allies didnt know this at the time but their actions actually directly led to the only existential threat to all life in the known universe.
a nuclear arms race that wouldnt have happened had the West stayed out of the war and allowed Germany to annex its former holdings and then crush the Bolsheviks within a year.
also the idea the Americans rebuilt Europe is moronic, the Americans never gave a single cent to any European nations.
Their "Investments" were in military bases and buying out European businesses at low rates, this wasnt a good faith restoration, this was the US putting an airbase in the UK and then saying "That's 25,000,000 we have invested in your nation."';

'>>16599866
>Europe looked like a bombed out hellhole until 1990.
Europe still looks like a bombed out hellhole except not theres brown people everywhere';

'>>16599271
>what was the reason to push for regime change in Poland
Poland was corrupt and refused to acknowledge the German-Polish borders established in 1918, instead opting to press their claims on martial conquest they had won in the previous two decades.
>bulwark against bolshevism
who? Poland couldnt do shit against Germany and you think they could resist the USSR in any meaningful way? Poland is a flat open plain and was still deploying shock cavalry in an era of aircraft, long range artillery, and armored warfare.
>become a German vassal
actually Hitler said he would give Poland actual guarantees of autonomy if they acknowledged the Polish-German territorial agreements instead of Versailles, Poland would even be allowed to keep their military gains won in 1920 if they just abandoned the Versailles borders.
Hitler, asked for German land to be restored to Germany, in exchange Poland would have the entire German army defending Polish claims on Russian, Ukrainian, and Belorussian land won by pure naked conquest.
This was more than charitable to Poland. If Poland had treated with say America today, The Americans would have dismantled their entire nation and installed an American plant.
Hitler was not only gracious by the standards of the times he was gracious by the standards of all times.


>Anti Polish treaty
there was no anti-Polish treaty.
Whereas Britain and France literally had a pact that was solely created to prevent Germany from reclaiming German land.
>There would be no Polish British alliance if Germany didnt team up with the USSR
Germany signed a treaty with the USSR in response to the British Polish guarantee.
Britain and Poland signed their treaty in March, the Molotov Ribbentrop was signed in August.
also laughably the British military command themselves said "we can provide no support by air, sea, or land"
literally a fall guy lmao';

'>>16599271
>Poland at peace is more livable than Poland at war
and? Poland should have taken Germany's gracious offer.
>nothing happened in 1923
in the 20s France invaded Germany - in violation of Versailles - and Poland solidified its military conquests against its immediate neighbors in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia.
>Hitler removing pedophiles caught in bed with children when they were removed is as bad or worse than being ruled by a hostile and vengeful minority bent on removing you.
lol
NSDAP ruled was actually the result of democratic processes, had popular support, and more importantly wasnt teetering on civil war, while Sanationist (LOL >be Poland >government literally called sanitation) Poland was disunified and saw near constant jockying for which corrupt officer was going to fill the shoes of Pilsudski - Hitler as a sign of good faith honored him in Germany and attended his funeral in spite of his anti-German stance.
>these offers were meaningless as war in the East would still be going on
What war in the east was going on in 1939 and 1940?
Poland was over.
It was just Britian and France and eventually just Britain.
>German invasion would have escalated it into a global conflict in 1941
and the West would have stayed out of a global conflict and Germany would beat the shit out of the most repressive regime of the century.';

'>>16599271
if by 'east' you mean in far asia, so what? Germany was against supporting anyone in Asia against the British Empire and his offer to defend Britain would still stand even if it drew Germany into conflict with Japan.
Britain would still have its empire if not for the war, furthermore, Britain would still have its dominions if not for the war. Britain also wouldnt be forced into debt and have to play second string to a non-European power.';

'>>16599188
so what?
Also its not "Odin" its Wotan, its a specifically German expression of "Odin". He is not calling him Wotan in all aspects but rather than Wotan himself is the survival instinct of the German people and Hitler himself was a manifestation of this survival instinct. This is not a single behavior but a set of behaviors and dispositions unique to the German people which Hitler embodied.';

'He was lucky. Should have been killed during the Beer Hall putsch.';

'>>16600269
A White Russian declaring support for Hitler's NSDAP against jewish bolshevism was the man that Saved Hitler from a bullet.';

'>>16600216
>Poland is a flat open plain and was still deploying shock cavalry in an era of aircraft
Our cavalry was better than German cavalry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Krasnobr%C3%B3d_(1939)
And Krauts had only won because they were sneaky enough to basically encircle Poland before the war even started (and wanted to encircle us _even more with_ their bullshit Danzig demands kek). And who said that we would be fighting the Soviets alone?';

'>>16600253
Swinging for the fences there.
Jung knew who Wotan is very well.
>Wotan is a restless wanderer who creates unrest and stirs up strife, now here, now there, and works magic. He was soon changed by Christianity into the devil, and only lived on in fading local traditions as a ghostly hunter who was seen with his retinue, flickering like a will o’ the wisp through the stormy night. In the Middle Ages the role of the restless wanderer was taken over by Ahasuerus, the Wandering Jew, which is not a Jewish but a Christian legend. The motif of the wanderer who has not accepted Christ was projected on the Jews, in the same way as we always rediscover our unconscious psychic contents in other people. At any rate the coincidence of anti-Semitism with the reawakening of Wotan is a psychological subtlety that may perhaps be worth mentioning.
A quote from him.
He knew very well about Wotan as a dangerous God of Death and Sacrifice.';

'>>16600273
Name? I remember reading about it, yeah, he was really lucky. It's not even the only time when he got lucky. I remember reading in Kershaw that this luck made him think that he was send by providence to save Germany or something.';

'>>16600277
>Polska strongska
Polska chimpska.
Their only significant territorial gains were the result of conquest against states in undergoing civil conflict or just given to them as gibs.
>who said we would be fighting the Soviets alone
you going to fill out your ranks with the Warsaw zoo? might as well since those are the only fighters your region has ever fielded.

Hitler would have, in exchange for respecting the original German-Polish territorial treaty, given Poland their own military support which they can actually make good on in defense of Polish territorial gains won against their immediate neighbors in rather underhanded martial landgrabs.';

'>>16600286
>in exchange for respecting the original German-Polish territorial treaty
No such thing.';

'>>16600279
I never disagreed, but its absurd to say Wotan is something 'bad'. its like calling fight or flight response bad because it doesnt always lead to a positive outcome.';

'>>16600273
Okay, found him. Ulrich Graf.

>The trained miller joined the army in 1896. In 1904 he resigned from army service due to service impairment. He then worked as a local civil servant in Munich. Ulrich Graf, a free bench butcher by profession,[1] became a member of the German Workers' Party after the First World War, to which Hitler also belonged.
But you made up a cute, more romantic story. The guy actually survived despite receiving 5 bullets.';

'>>16600281
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Erwin_von_Scheubner-Richter';

'>>16600290
>no such thing
>founding of Poland doesnt exist
If you actually stood by this statement then you wouldnt be against Hitler invading Poland.';

'>>16600298
You might be right, maybe I was thinking about him, not about Ulrich Graf. Thanks.';

'>>16600301
Fuck of idiot, Europe was shaped in Versailles, not in bilateral "treaties". Like, Krauts basically _raped_ Romania in their "peace treaty" when they demanded ceding the Romanian oil fields for 100 years to them and it was _obviously_ nullified with German capitulation.
>oh no no no, muh unjust Versailles! buuu';

'>>16587009
>1928
In 1928 NSDAP got less than 3% votes in the parliamentary elections. So nope, they were pretty weak back then. Even the communists from KPD were far more popular.
NSDAP came to power mainly because of the Great Depression. There was simply no way for them to achieve any success if not for this event.';

'>>16600316
>Europe was shaped in Versailles
and Versailles was vindictive, unjust, and retarded.
>The Germans are solely responsible for a five nation treaty
LOL';

'>>16600331
You don't even know what you are babbling about.
Know what? - fuck off to Germany and that's it. If you're already there then just shut your mouth as your "opinion" is irrelevant.';