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'>>7122127
this is pretty much why most of my work online is fanart

no one gives a fuck about your ocs unless you already have a large following';

'>>7122129
Well now you never did see such a terrible thing
As you've seen last night on the T.V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtECdenf4sY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBxemLQzE9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfP-DxW6thY';

'>>7122122
>When did you realize social media is poison to the minds of artists?
When I realized that they don't do art for art's sake but instead they're competing with each other for imaginary numbers on social media.
It's even worse when it comes to money, plenty of artists without a following apply to those so you end up with picrel.';

'>>7122138
nigga
you gay';

'>>7122129
no one gives a fuck about your OCs when they're created for the sole purpose of being created.
a character without a story might as well not even exist.';

'>>7122146
>a character without a story
lol plenty of OCs have stories that doesn't mean people are going to pay attention to your shit';

'>>7122122
When I first heard of Facebook, like 15+ years ago, and realized it's poison for humans, hence for artists, as artists are humans.

Social networks are plain awful.';

'>>7122129
I've recently gotten to know an /ic/ artist through discord, and I like his OCs
they're cool and creative
get some art frens, fren';

'>>7122154
a paragraph long story about who they are isn't what I'm referring to, but most don't even have that.';

'>draw fanart
>20-50 likes, no retweets
>draw my OCs
>2000+ likes, comments, retweets, follows etc.
You guys just have shitty OCs lol';

'>>7122177
I think you're lying. post your socials';

'>>7122178
No';

'>>7122181
my OCs get 80,000+ likes, and people specifically say in the comments how much better they are than yours.';

'>>7122146
People only give a fuck a about your oc is when you’re popular or put out 2-3 years worth of comics, games, etc about them.';

'I've started noticing my OC art does better than fan art, and things I draw which are risque or suggestive do better than outright porn or nudity. But generally you get the audience to cultivate, if you mainly draw OCs people will follow you because they want more of that, if they follow you for fan art they want more fan art of THAT property not just any fan art. So you better be super fucking into one thing and happy drawing it over and over or they won't engage with your posts.';

'>>7122174
I just post the image of an oc with barely if any backstory
Because that's what i thought was correct thing and because i have spent little too much on writing them that i have at least document worth on just lore the planet they are living and every single major war and historical conflict as if anyone would read it other than me';

'In 2015 I realized that I'm literally the stick man from the first panel. I realized I was posting my work to 15 bots in a trench coat so I just quit because it was pointless. I was constantly comparing myself to others so I had to take a huge break off social media until I got myself in order';

'>>7122138
Why you gotta beg someone for a job opportunity when you have the skills that they're looking for? 200 desperate retards.

It's like the coding dudes who learned how to code. Why the fuck are you putting in 600+ applications when you have a skill that could make you money? Do you not a vision? I simply do not understand.';

'>>7122268
>bro why don't you just make money materialize out of no where for the skill you developed along with a million other people instead of finding employment somewhere?
are you aware of what a saturated market is, or what having stable income means?';

'>>7122274
No man, look, you can cook up anything with code. An idea that nobody in this world is doing right now that you see an opportunity for like you can put up an app right now and make $$$. But you wanna beg like a little bitch, making yourself look like a clown trying to pass interviews and perhaps working for free as an intern. I really don't get it man. Too many people are just stupid and would rather make another mans dream a reality as long as if they can live in Silicon Valley.';

'>>7122281
how old are you, and have you ever actually had to pay your own bills?';

'>>7122268
because it's stable, being your own boss is extremely risky and provides little to no income. you think indie game devs don't have jobs themselves to help keep the lights on while making their own game/project? same with artist too.';

'>>7122285
That's irrelevant. If I was a coder I would live in my car with nothing but my ThinkPad as I hack away at my project because I actually see gold on the table being untouched. It's unreal how stupid everyone trying to get a job in tech is.

But back to art jobs--absolutely beyond dumb. "Hey, make MY story a reality. I need the entire package and oopsie poopsie I'm only hiring 4 people!". Do you know how many writers there are out there? What makes SeyoungLee any different besides him waving a 1099 in front of your face?';

'>>7122293
>That's irrelevant.
no it's not, and the fact you think it is lets me know the answer is probably underaged, but definitely no older than 18, and you've never had to actually support yourself.';

'>>7122295
I'm 30 years old. I've played this stupid back and forth game with asking for age. It's a losing battle no matter what I say.

Yeah I live with my parents. Are you going to shame me for that?';

'>>7122296
>Yeah I live with my parents. Are you going to shame me for that
Lol';

'>>7122296
>Yeah I live with my parents. Are you going to shame me for that?
no, I don't give a shit how old you are or if you live with your parents. you do you. It does matter though for perspective on the argument you're trying to make.
It's a lot easier to say that these people are stupid for fighting for a job creating something for someone else rather than just make it purely on their own ideas when you've never had to provide your own food or shelter with nothing to fall back on.
The option is basically either get a job relevant to your interests (art, writing, coding, whatever) or be homeless while you try to make your own vision/dream a reality. Or the third option that a lot of people do is get a shitty job you hate completely irrelevant to what you want to do, and chase your dream on the side when you have time.';

'>>7122307

I suppose you have a point somewhat. Sorry for my autism, I'm running on 4 hours of sleep. I'll take my leave now.';

'>>7122317
it's okay friend. goodnight.
For what it's worth, that's one reason why stuff like kickstarter/indiegogo/whatever is great, because it does let more people live out their dream. there are tons of indie artists and codemonkeys there developing their own games and making their own comics';

'>>7122129
actually porn of my own character got 2k likes compared to porn of other ips';

'>>7122127
They hate him because He spoke the truth.';

'>>7122281
Anon-chan, it's not healthy to gaslit yourself into thinking unemployment as a good thing.';

'>>7122146
>>7122202
This, nobody cares about your super cool and original character if they only exist in a vacuum-- even if you draw them more than once (unless you're a porn artist I guess). At most, you're just going to get an "Oh cool drawing" or something similar because they're not a character at that stage, they're just a character design. In order for them to be an actual character, they would need to tangibly exist within a larger project. Could be a comic, book, game, concept album, etc.

Hell, I've seen an artist draw a series of individual pieces depicting their OC interacting with locals in different regions because they were going on a grand journey and each art piece was part of a vague, overarching narrative that was to some degree up to the viewer's interpretation; just do something with your character that would give people reason to show interest in them beyond the surface level.';

'>>7122233
You just have to hint at what’s going on in their world and what their life is like in your pics instead of just drawing them standing there doing nothing.';

'>>7122368
wtf you mean I can't just draw a character in a white void with a design I like and expect to get tons of praise for it??';

'>>7122243';

'>>7122358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkqiC4KPeDs
this is, how you draw a box nigga!
>erases your gains
CRAB WHAT THE FUCK???
come on, son on set son
COME ON SON!
DAMN SON
come on cuz
DA-';

'>>7122122
When I browsed /ic/ and saw for myself what wretched, soulless creatures inhabits this place';

'>draw OC
>barely any feedback
>draw fanart of this one thing
>my entire following count awakens, giving me tons of feedback
>draw fanart of this other, more popular thing
>make less feedback than with OC
You faggots calling OC or Fanart being more popular than the other cant be any more wrong, it's about the audience you cultivate. If you make an audience that wants to see one thing, you'll be stuck with that audience for a long time and they will barely give a shit about anything else you draw.';

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'>>7123013
fake art
fake followers';

'>>7123016
real ad revenue';

'>>7123051
This the art board, not the online grift board.';

'>>7122127
>>7122129
>>7122347
Here's a more realistic take';

'Sometimes people just inexplicably latch onto a character. Back when I used to post online, any drawing with this OC of mine would gain 2k-9k likes, compared to my usual ≈300-500. I was baffled every time. You can’t predict what people will like, you just have to put yourself out there and see what happens.';

'>>7123059
well, i was in the POOOOOOL';

'>>7122268
>It's like the coding dudes who learned how to code

I'm one of those, they pay me well enough for it at the day job but when it comes to personal stuff I wouldn't touch my software with a stick unless it was free, open source, five other guys already told me it was fine on GitHub, and one of them put it on the AUR for the sole reason that I'm a complete nobody.
GitHub is basically Twitter with less shitposting, not counting the company accounts there are maybe 1% of users who get paid for this and the others will post a ton of stuff for free forever because they suck or nobody cares enough to give them some money.';

'>>7123369
i want to draw so many indecent things with this character';

'>>7124170
Don’t threaten me with a good time';

'>>7123369
blog please';

'>>7122122
I only have social media so I can follow artists that I like and use their stuff as references for my own work.';

'>>7124690
I jumped ship from social media a few years ago and hadn’t drawn this guy in a long time, but for old time’s sake';

'>>7122122
As soon as more advertisers got onto the internet.

Numbers are the end all, be all for measuring success. It's the metric used to figure out what is popular and how much people will get paid. The more popular someone or something is the more likely someone is going to think that someone or something is 'good.' It happens on YouTube.

There could be better YouTubers out there, but PewDePie will always be considered one of the best due to how popular he was even if other people might not have been as annoying and were better than he was. Same thing for artists. Yes, there a LOT of really talented and skilled artists who are barely popular on social media, but there are a lot more who aren't as skilled and yet are extremely popular.

Once an artist on Twitter claimed that if you are lacking followers that means that your art isn't that good. She deleted it, but she wasn't completely wrong, but she wasn't completely right either. What she didn't take into account that while she might have been working on improving her work she was also working on building her following, too. There are plenty of artists whose work is better than hers and have smaller followings than her. Yet, she conflated popularity and quality. At the same time, people do like what they like and even if you aren't that skilled, if there is something about your art that speaks to people, you will amass fans and a following.

While they might not be the same thing, they might as well be, because it's hard for people to be able to divorce those two. The irony of all of this is that without the internet way less artists would be able to experience popularity or to have chance for their art to reach others.';

'>>7124722
Respectable decision, I hope you're having a fine day anon.';

'>>7122356
Employment is no better
>b-b-but muh slop';

'>>7122129
>make OC
>put them in webcomic
>webcomic gets popular
>art of your OC is now fanart
Artists HATE this one trick!';

'>>7123369
the internet works in mysterious ways and no one will know why. cool character btw, hoping you're doing well anon';

'>>7122122
>>7122127';

'>>7123369
Twinkcore';

'I appreciate the kind words : )';

'>>7122122
>>7122127
I get this feeling but at the same time you should realize: you're the only person that intrinsically gives a shit about the stuff you make. Your work will only get popular if you make stuff other people will like, and put it in front of those people.';

'>>7123013';

'>>7122127
>>7125540';

'>>7127732
>>7125540
The face at the bottom always looked like Joe Rogan to me';

'>>7122138
How much does it cost to commission an illustrations for cover art on a game? I'm not even sure what a good price is but if there's this many applying for a webcomic, surely the price is low, right?';

'>>7122129
Not even my fanart gets likes because it’s for +20 year old niche shit that no one cares about lmao';

'>>7122127';

'>>7122129
>>7122127
the mindset of an artist whose sole goal is to just get attention';

'Artists need to relearn how to create for themselves. Make some “Just for me” OCs. Never post drawings of them, don’t talk about them, just let them exist solely within your head and drawings. Rebuild that relationship between creator and character.';

'I like how artists as a community are groomed sissies that like getting attention. We should have a communist system where artists are forced to jerk eachother off after they complete a work.';

'>>7122122
when I started cranking the knob to other people's art more instead of drawing';

'>>7128278
Yeah nah. I want to tell people of my stuff and not be some lonely schizo. That's kinda what social media is for, to tell people things';

'Goddamn extroverts';

'>>7122129
Anyone remember that on shadow of the colossus animation terminal montage did back in the day? Before he got really big.
It was like this cartoon where he’s bemoaning the fact he’d have to do video game parodies or whatever.
He deleted it, but I remember it.';

'>>7123369
>>7124722
you hit a diamond mine this oc is nice';

'>>7128289
I’m not saying to go off the grid. Just make some new personal characters, keep however many others you want in the spotlight. It really helped me.';

'>>7122122
I was born poisoned.';

'>>7128446';

'>>7128471
Retards like him can slay brown pussy.
Also why the fuck the esl writing?';

'>>7128471
I don't look like that (I'm brown), but I sure say that.';

'>>7122122
When I realized getting 1 or 2 nice comments from my small group of art friends mattered 100x more to me than getting thousands of likes from strangers on social media.';

'>>7122358
It's fucking stupid that OC is a term to begin with. If you call them what they are, character without a story or real characterization, it's obvious why nobody would give a fuck.';

'>>7128543
Since when does OC mean “character without a story or real characterization”? Sure, the endless parade of furry OCs standing against a white background is mind-numbing, but there are a lot of artists out there that give their OCs a lot of depth.';

'>>7128497
oh damn.';

'>>7128497
once you realize this and adding on to the fact that bots are taking over more often now makes having these genuine comments on your art makes it 1000x more valuable.';

'>>7124804
I aint reading allat';

'>>7129545
from you';

'I was gonna complain but then somehow i started getting a following
>Be me
>Small artist
>Draw fan art of things i like
>Sudden influx of new fans
>First new follower then next week new 2 followers and then 2 followers in one day
>Some like the ocs and other content
We're so back';

'>>7129951
I’ve seen it all before.';

'>>7129951
All before pal.';

'>>7122127
imagine being stuck at this level of mental development as an adult';

'>>7133867
what would you do if this was the case';

'Why do you guys care so much about social media shit anyway? Just draw.';

'>>7139281
Anon, these people probably only know social media and clout. Just try to gander the demographics that visit this site now and how long ago MySpace was around. Those who didn't grow up on social media are either poor or over a certain age thus don't care or past the need to be the center of attention. Monkey sees the likes and such and a trigger goes off in their brain because they have been conditioned like a rat to cheese that lights up a bulb.
I would beg to deduce that plenty that visit here and have "started their artistic journey" aren't doing art for themselves in the first place. And plenty will lie and say "I've always done art, even just doodles."';

'>>7139281
because money and wanting to quit their shitty day job.
>>7139724
clout is one of the most addicting drug for people now a days, it got even worse now you can make hundreds to thousands of dollars from doing all sorts of things that require attention from people.';

'>>7122122
>>7122127
Normalfaggots use social media, for the most part, as an entertainment. There's little to no entertainment factor in just looking at pretty picture. Humor is entertainment, engaging in dramas and trends is entertainment, stories is entertainment, porn is entertainment. Just looking at a very well made picture is not really a good entertainment. Look at the gook for example. He's making money by drawing live in front of the live audience, because watching him draw random shit super fast with an ink is fun. Just looking at his drawings is not that fun. Art is good at enhancing other things but it is not as good on it's own as an entertainment. You need at least some fun factor to base your audience around.';