'Praising your own work is the equivalent of the big twitter artist rubbing himself.';

'>>7130035
>>7130035
haha lole art is an exclusive club and you're not invited why don't you learn to proompt chuddie?';

'undefined';

'git gud';

'>>7130058
LOL';

'>>7130035
Meanwhile in reality';

'>>7130063
Fucking retard';

'>>7130063
BASED';

'So... Are you guys going to use this knowledge to push through and find long term success... or are you going to just use to fuel your evergrowing misery for the sake of short term pleasure?';

'undefined';

'lame';

'undefined';

'>>7130063
I’d say this was true to some extent but new twitter accounts don’t even show up in searches now so the system is inherently biased against smaller people. There’s literally no way of people finding new accounts anymore outside of someone who knows you RTing you or you advertising your account somewhere else.';

'What about toucan jerry?';

'So the comic is complaining that people who can help each other out are bad but someone selfish looking to only be helped on their end is what, a victim?';

'>>7130063
This kills the dime a dozen midfag.';

'Yeah sure.
Well bye my 15 followers aren't going to have anything to ignore if I don't draw.
Sage and hide.';

'>>7130063

>>7129268';

'>>7130220
I think the complaint is that being a successful artist online is mostly a matter of who you know and also luck.
It would be nice if people used the retweet button as a way to give something exposure that normally wouldn't, instead retweets are wasted on things everyone will see anyway and almost nothing else';

'>>7130035
Reminder that small artist >>7129268 drew pic related , then became a big art over night because of a big artist RT. Moral of the store is being good a artist matters alot.';

'>>7130244
>small artist
Yea but she worked in MTG before, so she's clearly already a stablished artist. How she had only about 100 followers is beyond me. Probably a sperg.';

'>>7130244
This proves the point actually. They would've remained in complete obscurity for years if they didn't get help from that one person. Skill does not help you, big accounts help you and they mostly just stroke each other off. Who knows how many other promising artists still remain in obscurity?
The algorithms are the main problem though. It should be possible to grow organically, but it absolutely is not';

'>>7130200
this comic is sad';

'>>7130264
i have retweeted people back in the day that were 1/100th of my size, but they didn't get much engagement out of it because their art and subject were not appealing to audience that I cultivated. They get most out of their engagement was when their subject and keyword coinciding with happening in fandom in which people were searching for it.';

'>>7130263
>this artist wasn't actual some nobody
explains why they got retweeted

If this was some literal who, i doubt it would have come to this and this yet another point that even social media visibility is gatekept by circlejerks, which basically also proves that art skill really is irrelevant, only your clout/achievements are.';

'>>7130311
>basically also proves that art skill really is irrelevant
show me example of skill artist that voiced their discontent on this subject.';

'>>7130194
A fucking bug.';

'>Got one of my art RT'ed by a 10K account, got 1000 likes when my typical is fucking 50
They hold the power... I want it';

'>>7130194
>>7130354
>A fucking bug.';

'>>7130373
its interesting how much better at this the person who extended the comic is at drawing. Its subtle, but it somehow makes the character appealing, and I needed the source.';

'>>7130035
>but I don't expect it
>make a comic about how you expect it';

'A FUCKING BUG';

'>>7130391
Pretty much. Misplaced expectations and unfair comparisons are the source of unhappiness for a lot of artists.

>>7130387
I don't think I'm that much better, but thanks for the compliment, anon. If you want to appeal to social media, add boobs and eyelashes

>source
I made it the fuck up';

'>>7130430
not bad at all, the head silhouette and its projection from the main mass of the body gives the character a more dynamic feeling to his design in my opinion, and the hand and fingers feels snappy. its possible for me to imagine that character jumping around and doing interesting things, but not in the original';

'>>7130387
>its subtle
>just added le tits

oh em gee, lol just fuck off this hobby dumb beg retard';

'>>7130450
well, i wasn't talking about the bug. >>7130446';

'I'll take the bait and clarify a few questions
>you won't make it if your art SUCKS (by social media standards)
>social media engagement is like the lottery and anyone is one post way from getting shared by the right person at the right time and getting recognition
>composition, clarity and thumbnails are the most important part of every post
>technique only takes you so far, ideas are far more valuable (and trust me most artists have shit ideas)
>let go your ego and recognize that you need other people to succed in the art world';

'>>7130309
You get the most engagement when retweeted by large accounts with similar content';

'>>7130058
take your meds';

'>>7130471
yeah.
that goes for any business too actually';

'>>7130373
>wear glove in left hand
>draw with right hand
shit comic';

'>>7130058';

'>>7130319
>and if they do, that means they aren't as skilled as they think they are
>therefore they're not allowed to be discontent
>hence they're not actually skilled
>and if they still do, that just means they're entitled and arrogant and shallow
>because you're not allowed to voice out anything that isn't hugbox-tier behavior and forced positivity
>unless it's against the "bad guys"
>"just show me something no one would do because it would ruin their public image since any sort of negativity is met with unhinged hostility and judgement"
>in conclusion "nu-uh checkmate and gotcha"
Now come on, post your buzzwords and epic baittroll me already.';

'>>7130624
so you don't have any examples?';

'aaaand someone is revealed to be a groomer/pedo/degenerate/massive asshole to the point he goes to prison and the house of cards falls

avoiding online "friendships" is always the best thing to do

>yay ^^ thanks for that fanart X3 check this guy !!!!
after an affair
>we never known each other i was never close to them, i've noticed some red flags and i tried to show it

it's hypocrisy at it's best !

I love Don art, and what happened to him shows how people can destroy everything you've done for just one misunderstandment, he should have kept his life private and nothing will be revealed or heard of !

remember meeting people is easy

and for visibilty, time will come it's 50/50, if you spend all of your efforts and energy you may pass on things that are more important, a stupide comment you make will have more like than a drawing you've spent 6 hours on...';

'>7130633
chat GPT eh?';

'>>7130634
no i've wrote everything with my fingers on my puter';

'>>7130632
>so you can't prove what i asked you to prove in bad faith?
and there you have it

Can you prove you're not a bot?';

'>They don't have any examples.';

'>>7130035
>waahh waahh everyone has it so easy except for me!!!
Kill yourself immediately';

'>>7130058
>oh nyo what if i get groomed online
grow up
literally grow up
you have to be over 18 to post here';

'>>7130058
>burgers still can't legally fuck 15 year olds
no wonder they're all deranged';

'>>7130601
the glove is so the lube doesn't get on your chair, retard';

'>>7130058
Sometimes it be like that';

'I hate the jannies so goddamn much.';

'>>7130194
Does this guy think he is the main character?';

'>>7130776
Literally every human does';

'>>7130058
>They/them hated him because he told the truth.';

'>>7130035
Fuck social media, it was never designed for artists anyhow. I've gotten much better results posting my art to sites that were designed for art to begin with such as Pixiv going from under 350 followers to almost 800 in the span of a few months posting whenever I feel like it compared to Twitter where I'm lucky if I get any followers who aren't stupid porn bots let alone more than a few likes and a couple of retweets.';

'>>7130858
are you stupid';

'>>7130685
AoC is 14 in West Virginia, yet another reason why it's the best state.';

'>>7130263
>Yea but she worked in MTG before, so she's clearly already a stablished artist.
Because being good matters to begin with. You can't prove RT factored this into his decision to recommend the artist, only that they saw the meager following and was dumb founded. Thread like this should serve to remind people to pursue making good art, not perform mental gymnastics about why they aren't being boosted by good artist.';

'>>7130890
>two 15 year olds are committing """rape""" by having sex with each other
>this is the best sex experience america has to offer';

'>>7130912
>>7130890';

'>>7130373
Ah, this one shall be put into the archives.';

'>>7130058
Best one so far';

'undefined';

'I fucking hate twitter with every single inch of my being
Every single fucking time i open app i get filled with rage that i got to type some retarded shit up
WHY IS HALF OF THE SITE JUST POINTLESS AMERICAN FOOTBALL MATCH BUT INSTEAD OF BALL THEY TOSSING PEDO/RAPE ACCUSATIONS AT ANYONE LIKE HOT POATATO
Even when it's blocked these retards still have something to seethe about.
Social media IS for artists but those who can handle all bullshit and keep their skeletons in closet for long enough.
It's not even the
>Muh muh weep weep my shitty harry the slodge brainworm kiwibird was algorithm raped by popular artists guess i am gonna eat shotgun pellets tonight
It's about skill, it's about connection and that is for all social media but twitter is just beyond shit. It's 4chan if it lacked self awareness and with sense of false justice
But it's pointless to argue or constantly shit on
I stil open the site because it fills me with anger to urgently pick up a pencil and draw. Just out of spite that i get good enough that these fags can cry about it while i post and say anything with my high art prestige';

'>>7130886
I would get 1 digit likes on twitter for something that would get 4 digits on pixiv so it really is about visibility. That was a long time ago though and now I see how my work was shit and lacked appeal so maybe I’d do better now, but now new accounts have even less visibility so who knows.';

'undefined';

'Not knowing how to game the algorythm is a skill issue, not an art issue. Just look up when its optimal time to post, what hastags to use, draw memes, engage by pretending to care about other people ect.
Just be a cold calculating sociopath and people will flock to you.';

'>>7131055
post follower count ESL';

'this felt funnier in my head';

'>>7131057
I dont use Twitter, this is simply facts from observations. Social media is cancer of the mind and you need to become cancer in order to thrive. Or just post really well made porn with niche but not too niche fetishes.';

'>>7131051
justice for Toucan Henry.';

'>>7130609
i can confirm this is real, i've been in those discords.';

'>>7131097
Funny story
I knew in those server a miles better artist
He was a pokemon render fag that played a lot of genshin
Turns out he was 40 year old indian who got banned from art servers in proxy for getting sexual with minors';

'>>7130063
This. Retards on /ic/ don't grow because they lack appeal or/and technical skill, growing in SNS is easy as fuck, nobody will care about some random OC unless it's porn';

'>>7130123
All of collective humanity has chosen the latter.
It will continue to choose the latter every fucking time until we're all fucking dead.';

'>>7130264
And they never would have gotten help if their art was shit.

Cultivate skill today, suck dick tomorrow.';

'>>7130063
I feel like its only the people who vocally complain that turn out to be pretty shit. But shittier artists get popular too just for being fuckbuddies with someone else.';

'>>7131066
based, very cute anon';

'>>7131055
>hashtags
If they actually worked then sure but small accounts are banned from showing up in hashtags by default and even after you unlock it the algorithm will easily ban you from them again if you don’t have enough followers/engagement. It’s not the same site it used to be.';

'>>7130244
>Moral of the story is that finding and knowing someone in the industry and willing to support you is more valuable than skill itself.';

'>>7131462
that person is very skilled, and their work look like they were traditionally trained. although they technically have social media presence for years, they didn't gain any follower because they had an art career that's not dependent on individual notoriety. It doesn't look like they actively seek out to be noted either, the guy just found how good they are and wanted to make them famous. Like regular shit doodler on /ic/ wouldn't have gotten noticed.';

'>>7131066
i don't give a shit if it's cute, give me SEX of the bug girls on the top-right NOW!';

'>>7131498
>>7131066
Sorry Anon, they are still working up to that';

'>>7130373
Kino';

'>>7131593
Why are female bugs like this?';

'>>7131593
I respect you not giving them tits';

'>>7131138
Or you get begs who see good artist occasionally complain about this or that, so they just regurgitate the same thing to roleplay as a good artist, when it's not even their own experience.';

'>>7131593
sexooo bug-o sexooo thank you so much anon you made me ejaculate cum right out of my penis thanks to your drawing';

'>>7130993
nobody understands the struggles of an artist';

'I dont get it, do people only do art for followers? I dont really see the appeal of posting my art online for other people to see it?';

'>>7130123
I want to use this knowledge, though I have ADHD like a motherfucker';

'>>7130035
Why is everyone on this board so obsessed with twitter clout? For fuck’s sake, act like an artist and not some failure trying to use art as a means to avoid getting a job.';

'>>7132441
Every single one of the passive-aggressive /ic/ comics and all the posts in the same spirit were made by just one person.';

'>>7132304
I mean to be fair, if I could suck my own cock I'd never have started drawing to begin with.';

'>>7130035
Why do people get so mad when confronted with the truth that twitter and discord breeds this kind of behavior with artists?
There are so many big artists who have objectively bad art, but are big because they get tweeted by bigger artists, because they either pander to them are are in their cliques';

'>>7130035
>>7130058
>>7130063
Gotta love how these characters are just poorly drawn blobs instead of actual human beings because whoever made them spent more time obsessing over dumb shit like this instead of just drawing';

'>>7133136
They're usually either:

>Low functioning autists that don't understand the implications
>/beg/s that have long since given up and don't really see why it's an issue
>Schizos that have no online presence anyway and therefore have no stake in the discussion
>The same big artists trying to dissuade the topic of discussion
>Big artist orbiters/fans/friends trying to defend them

Or some combination thereof.';

'>>7133357
and both';

'>>7130373
Holy kino';

'>>7133357
You forgot
>minors and women who lack critical thinking, have negative IQ and have absolutely no life experience
>"epic trolls" who try to constantly bait with insults because that's how everyone farms likes and engagement on social media now
Current social tensions and the usual low quality online experiences are exactly because of these retards.

Like, all you see on this board, and the site in general, are unironically insults upon insults upon insults or pretense of retardation, but never any genuine discussion or insight into things and the majority of the posts now can be summarized with this:
>OH YOU SAID A THING? THAT MEANS UR SHIT AT THING AND A POOPYHEAD!!! LOL LMAO R U MAD? U MUST B MAD! OMG SOOO MAD MAD MAD SEETHE COPE SCHIZO U SUCK COPE MAD MADDY MELTDOWN UR CRAZY AND POOPY POOPYHEAD AHAHA R U MAD THO? BASED CRINGE? CRINGE BASED? OMG UR A SCHIZO!!! MAD YET?
It's insane how miserable people have become that the goal of social interactions is to now try to get people mad over the internet and spend all their free time to do so, because that's how you get clout on twitter.

But insult their ecelebrities or call them trannies and suddenly they're out for blood.';

'7133545
And there you go.';

'>>7133526
>>7133547
>first week on the 4chinz
Grampa big mad.Take your meds.';

'>>7130035
>what socmed does to a mf';

'>>7134070
anyone else have news follower counts almost completely stop in the last half year? I gain in a month now what I used to gain in a day.';

'>>7134070
>people don't give a shit and are only here to get free art and keep pavlov'ing everyone to get it
>t. pavlov'ed retard
Thank god i'm autistic and immune to social pressure and conditioning';

'Ok all arguing aside
Can someone draw yaoi of those two characters in pic rel from op
I want big artist to rail small one's bussy';

'>>7130058
>the big twitter artist is 18/19 sometimes even 17
>everyone cancels him and we get turkey tom/harleytbs/whatever other commentary faggot making youtube videos like
>>HE RAPED A 15 YEAR OLD BABY!?
Every
Single
Time';

'>>7134400
Commentary faggots make more money than doctors at this point, we truly live in a society.';

'>>7134070
just gitgud at clout and politics like hews and khyleri';

'>>7131066
Those bug girls are much hotter than they have any right to be.';

'>>7130373
>turn your male character into a tiddy furry or a homosexual porn actor so people like it.
this is honestly the exact opposite of based. its pathetic and not funny. its the lowest hanging fruit you can go for while abandoning your actual vision.';

'>>7134592
It was the BUZZ on Maggie';

'>>7133526
pic related is insane cope';

'>>7130264
There's no such thing a growing organically. If you're interested in a career in art you're going to hustle to get your name out there and find opportunities to grow or make a connection. I've got a little bit of the 'tism, so it took me a while to realize, but everybody's doing something to increase their chances of getting noticed or finding an opportunity. You think art has ever been a meritocracy? That people are judged as equals? Keep it a hobby if you don't want to market yourself or alter your style to speak to the people who are signing your checks.';

'>>7137747
copemaxxed perma-int take';

'>>7130194
Will he ever be able to live this down?
Imagine this being the only thing you're ever known for.';

'>>7130450
Nta, but he's right.
It's not about le tits, but the shape language and line confidence is on an entire different level compared to the original.';

'>>7130311
>only your clout/achievements are.
That means you need to level up your marketing skills as well as your artist skills';

'Why do you care so much about followers? It's not like they're your customers, or even your fans. They're simply consumers. They don't give a shit about you beyond what you produce. And they'll pirate your shit if they can.
Draw for yourself.';

'>>7138765
That's good thing for me because amount of random rambling i do and yapping is so high when i'm in bad mood and just them ignoring whatever i'm tweaking over is a deal for me';

'>>7130035
Why are they all holding a tiny cock in their hand?';

'more like
>big twitter artist has 1 (one) clear interest/all their likes and retweets are drawings of that one thing
>small twitter artist shoves OC/fanart of completely different shit in their face
>they're obviously not interested
>small twitter artist draws thing that big twitter artist likes
>big twitter artist obviously likes it

>this is somehow bad and it's somehow the big twitter artist's fault
>"hmph of course they only retweet me when I bend down and suck their dick"
>"wow, big twitter artist retweeted a drawing I just did that catered specifically towards their interests, typical. wow."';

'>>7130035
>become "big" twitter artist
>all of a sudden it's now your moral obligation to retweet and promote fucking every single little artist you come across
god forbid the actual human bean behind the account like and retweet shit they just like, just cause they like it';

'>>7139236
Let the tards think it's a big conspiracy against them, this is a cope thread for them';

'>>7139242
OK, helpful idiot.';

'>>7139246
>shitty and tasteless drawing
Thank you for proving my point';

'>>7139239
this will never happen,
>>7139230
because they are stroking each others little cocks, while small artist secretly has big dick energy.
>>7138765
i want more followers so that people will respect me and quit ignoring me';

'>>7130035
I only care about good artists who don't get much exposure. Don't care about begs, they need to work, not socialize.';

'i need u toucan henry';

'>>7134070
I'm always thankful anyone looks at my art to begin with but I have noticed this too. Getting to 100k pretty much killed my engagement. I wish my growth was slower';