'Here's mine to start us off. The ref has some surprisingly tough angles, it took me a few tries to get it to look decent.';

'>>7135106
I tried';

'I don't have an art style yet..';

'>>7135106
it's over';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'i want to put my penis into her vagina';

'Requesting free work: >>7135106';

'I will only draw men';

'I'm wagecucking rn, don't die and i'll do it tonight';

'i want to nom on those booba';

'>>7135106
perspective';

'undefined';

'>>7135764
That's damn near a perfect specimen
>big tits
>not saggy
Saved. I must draw her
>blue eyes
>slender frame
>wide hips
>no tats
>no nip/face piercing's
>shaved pits, but muff hair
>clearly taller than average';

'>>7135106
I hated drawing this - god damn this pose and head angle fucking killed me';

'>>7135110';

'>>7135106
I've jacked it to her so many times';

'>>7135106
fucked up the air but meh';

'>>7135950
>>7135179
>I made it like my japanese animes!!!
never, ever going to make it';

'>>7135761
Nah, that already looks deformed and if you draw it accurately people will assume you fucked it up. Not all references are created equal. Unless you are going for a fisheye effect or something like that, it's better to have the model photographed from a distance of at least 3 times her height to minimize perspective distortion.';

'>>7135953
I know I'm not gud
I was trying for more of a BTAS look (';

'>>7135106
I made it like my japanese animes';

'>>7135965
u fixed it';

'here's my attempt';

'>>7135953
>draw this in your style
>NOOOO NOT THAT STYLE
retard';

'>>7135106
Why is this pose so hard to draw??
or could it be like what >>7135961 said and the pose already looks odd?

Take >>7135965 for example, who didn't exactly relied 100% on the pose but rather used it as a starting point and improved it.
idk.
Amazing art btw Anon.

Anyway, here's my attempt';

'>>7136074
it's knowing the difference between using reference and just copying it';

'>>7135953
>draw it in ur style
Dumbass';

'>>7135110
Bro, why the fuck did you made her ugly? Are you one of those woke DEI retards?';

'>>7135809
Fix the damn face you filth';

'>>7136165
It was an accident, I suck at drawing faces. Pls no bully.';

'>>7136068
>>7136119
Don't fight, guys. Maybe I'll try a different style later. I realize it's the shading that gives it an anime look rather than the Batman: the animed series look i was trying for.
I had planned for only one shadow layer, but I wanted the shadow to be a little less on her stomach, which just looks weird to me now.';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'>>7135106
This was fun.';

'Why am I so fucking shit?
This was not fun but instead it was very upsetting';

'>>7136198
Best in thread. Love that nose, Anon.';

'>>7136246
iktf, can't look at mine's face (>>7135154) without cracking up';

'argh, I fucked up the face. goodnight, anons.';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'my attempt.';

'>>7135106
More plz';

'>>7135761
>>7135764
what the fuck is this "wait 60 seconds to make a post" bullshit';

'>>7135965
>didn't capture the fluidity of the pose
at that point just draw her standing up straight';

'>>7135965
>anime coomer produces the only acceptable drawing in the thread
Does it just all come down to anatomy study? Raw mileage? Heavy construction? Because if this thread’s small sample size is any indication the life drawing, contour-based approach just does not produce results for most people.';

'>>7135779
>no tats
>>7135761';

'This is my attempt. how do i improve and what am I doing right/wrong?';

'pmh2s';

'>>7135764
who is this?';

'>>7135965
hello. how did you learn figure drawing?';

'>>7136290
i came';

'undefined';

'bah';

'>>7135779
>butterface
I rather have a girl with beautiful face and bad bod';

'undefined';

'undefined';

'>>7137246
woahhhh
nice';

'>>7136290
This is the best one';

'>>7137234
hot';

'>>7137234
>that face';

'>>7137477
Kek, can’t unsee it';

'>>7136199
cute, you made it like one of your japanese animes';

'>>7137501
Non artists may not speak';

'>>7137511
I'm sorry, daddy. I've been a bad boy. I've been a bad little bitch. Are you going to punish me now?';

'>>7137522
>Are you going to punish me now?
with literal murder, yes';

'>>7137522
Idk if that was meant to make me uncomfortable but I am actually kinda turned on now. I'm at work. So thanks for that.';

'>>7135106
That's a good warmup OP';

'>>7136165
> Are you one of those woke DEI retards?

Please go outside.';

'>>7137137
I studied anatomy through Scott Eaton, Proko and the book Stonehouse
I watched vilppu's figure drawing course
and then I copied character sheets(picrel) made by an artist I like to learn the style';

'>>7137668
>Scott Eaton
Holy based, his gallery abominations were great. Still remember that one dr. Manhattan back where the artist just put chest muscles rather than the trapz, latissimus and teres major.';

'>>7137672
I remember that too
it was hilarious';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'>>7137916
You forgot Rouge's cock. Good forms, though';

'I don't like how it came out but it was just practice for skin shading anyways.';

'>>7135106
made this into a chick feeling accomplished after hooking up her bra
her name is Eva:
https://czechcasting.com/tour/preview/czech-casting-eva-6829/?lang=en';

'>>7135761
>>7135764
Gonna do one of these tomorrow, probably I'll steal it for my next drawing too';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'>>7138037
use nothing but hard edges for 2 weeks';

'>>7137157
>>7137273
10 min doodle, should I charge $100 for it? How to collect my welfare check from anonymous?';

'>>7138119
Can you elaborate what you mean?';

'>>7137668
Cool.
Did you do memory passes when you copied the char sheets?';

'>>7135764
left figure
>>7138222
after a while I managed to replicate some poses without looking at the sheet
so I believe that doing it from memory is useful';

'>>7136613
Really enjoyed how you did the faces and the line art. Blog, inspo, brush?
>>7137246
People keep talking about the most accurate in the thread but the perspective here is the real flex.
>>7138234
Got any recommendations on anime artists? I want to do line art as well as space_jin one day but after that I draw empty blanks.';

'>>7138237
trylsc used to post a lot of character sheets
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/69214448#1';

'>>7135965
there are no good artists left on this board if this dogshit is what anons are impressed by.
picrel is the average figure drawing thread poster in 2018

now its just retarded wonky anime shit like this jesus.';

'its so over for this board';

'undefined';

'>>7138281
>>7138283
These would be considered bad by nu-/ic/ standards because they don't have an anime face. Unironically if you want to be anything more than a hobbyist drawing anime faces in space like the retard you replied to leave this place immediately.';

'>>7138281
but you are supposed to post something better
not this tranny face with no feet or hands holding a dildo';

'>>7138358
yeah im sure a professional artist making a living off their work that has left this board 5 years ago cares about the opinions of somebody who draws tranny permabeg anime doodles for free and hasnt improved in years.';

'>>7138358
>tranny face
The fuck are you on about lol that face is very aesthetically pleasing, meanwhile your deformed anime faces suck dick and not in a good way. This guy mogs you a million times over.';

'>>7138358
>not this tranny face with no feet or hands holding a dildo
you talking about your own work there? kek';

'>>7138446
>Mogs
You can only use this word when you post your own work
So why don't you draw the fucking op pose and show him
You aren't a beglet right?';

'>>7138463
You've had PYW battles with people here and you always seethe and cope when your tranny doodles get mogged. It is pretty pointless for me as someone who does art full time to bother exposing my work and potentially jeopardizing my income to prove something to a stagnant animetoddler like you.';

'>>7138464
he also likes to post other people's work while samefagging and defending himself.';

'>>7138464
>I'll not post my work but I'm a pro, trust me bro
ok beglet';

'>>7138464
lol retard tranny';

'>>7138464
based';

'>>7138281
le eye level front facing standing up straight pose';

'is it always the same people derailing threads where people are actually drawing?';

'>>7138486
it was from a "draw this" thread stupid animeretard
also if the guy who drew that is so bad why is he a professional artist while you just post the same retarded doodles on ic over and over';

'>>7138494
>le samefag boogyman
Why is so hard to accept the concept that other people have different opinions than you
meds now';

'>>7138494
bro so impressed by these eye level front facing standing up straight poses from 2018
flash forward 6 years later, bro still remembers those poses as if they'd been created by michel-ange himself, and 6 years later, bro still can't post his drawings to defend himself and what he says. "In 1 or 2 years... I'll get good, finally; and I'll show them! " he thinks, looking at the screen with lightning flashes in his eyes reminiscent of Cabanel's Lucifer';

'>>7138508
>>7138510
You type with the same retarded borderline incoherent ESL syntax no matter how many thread personas you make up. That's what gives you away.';

'>>7138510
>"In 1 or 2 years... I'll get good, finally; and I'll show them! "
a bit ironic coming from someone who has not improved in 3 years.';

'>>7138521
cope, seethe and dilate schizo';

'>>7138528
Shitskin thirdworlder found the view source button. You haven't learned anything about art but at least you learned that I guess.';

'>>7138530
I'm from EU
Meds, unironically';

'>>7138281
if yuo're not crabbing. What's wrong with it?';

'I know I'm not gud. I do this for fun.';

'>>7138114
dangerously based';

'>>7138283
What's wrong with her face? She looks retarded';

'>>7138445
You certainly care
>>7138446
>that face is very aesthetically pleasing
For someone who likes man would be aesthetically pleasing
>>7138283
You are trying to show off and make that deformed face? Disgusting.
The rendering is nice, but you should work on the face structure more';

'>>7138281
That's not how shoulders work';

'>>7135965
Based Roanafag. Made the faggot crab throw a fit
You keep cooking';

'>>7135106
>yet another thread degenerates into inane insults, shitposting and attempts to troll for the 10th gorillion time in one hour
even this shit is wasted on this board';

'>>7135965
Nice job anon. The only thing you didn't get right was the angle of the jaw.';

'>>7135179
you have fantastic taste. best mom';

'>>7138283
never seen that technique before. is there a name for it so i can find out more?';

'>>7138489
unironically yes and they never post work to boot';

'>>7138885
>>7138893
this is what happens when your children are raised by watching anime';

'>>7138281
drawing lines around shit doesn't make your drawing good';

'>>7135106
i tried';

'aight';

'>>7138281
Why you drew your dildo too?';

'>>7138257
woahhh those are nice asl. Is trylsc the artist whose char sheets you copied?';

'>>7135965
nice. I was gonna jokingly say give her a penis but apparently >>7138281 already did
>people always assume I mean attach a penis to her pelvis
that's reserved for >>>/d/';

'>>7138257
flat forms';

'>>7138885
>>7138893
>>7138991
>>7139076
>>7139157
curious how all of these posts are written with the exact same typos and terrible english. almost as if our resident permabeg animeschizo is furiously defending his wonky unappealing tranny doodles kek';

'>>7139258
Only one of those really has egregious typos/bad English.';

'architecture student reporting in';

'>>7139272
id so tap that';

'>>7135106
postin';

'stop drawing anime';

'>>7139272
Blog?';

'undefined';

'>>7139272
impressive. very nice. now draw her as a building';

'hey she was posted here before i already drew her back in january';

'>>7139706
thank you for posting a 1908x2933 image, we really needed that resolution to see everry nook and cranny. also, thank you so much for putting your eraser and mechanical pencil in the view, otherwise, how would we know what you used? you couldn't just tell us and it's not obvious at all!';

'>>7139746
yw';

'>>7135106
no';

'>>7139258
>>7139062
Samefag, nobody likes your manly drawing, it looks awful.';

'>>7135965
Peak perfection
>>7138281
What a brave LGBTQ drawing, you are a hero';

'>>7135148
Best one';

'undefined';

'>>7139272
Veiny tits are best tits';

'>>7139272
is SHE the architecture student?
that would be so hot if she was a nudist!';

'>>7139172
tell us';

'>>7138257
Tri-Brigade Lyrilusc';

'>>7139172
yes bro, he's the artist';

'>>7139746
Dumb phoneposter';

'>>7135106
Quickie';

'my style is fattening them up with inverted nipples and nipple cheese';

'>>7135965
I like your work how long did it take you to reach this level';

'>>7140079
thanks, I've been drawing since 2019';

'>>7135972
>>7136074
>>7135965
>>7136765
>>7137137
>>7139009
>>7139046
>>7139225
>>7140079

well, since no one else is doing it.';

'>>7140257
Why are you threatened by that drawing? There are others itt that could be helped with redlines.';

'>>7140257
rent free';

'>>7140262
yeah youre right, youre one of them';

'>>7140269
>youre one of them
I haven't drawn it. My crabs just say "ai"';

'>>7138043
hope yall had a wonderful 420!
heres another drawing with my OC Bea Jones.
she says hi! :)';

'>>7138660
crab';

'>>7140257
your redline proves that you had nothing to go on. You're fishing.';

'>>7140322
I wanted to add more, but the effort I put in was already more than it was worth';

'>>7135764
>>7135106
>>7135110
>>7135148
>>7135153

Been already dickrailed by millions of chads and thyrones you chuds.
It's over you will never be near or touch a puss like that.';

'>>7140290
heres a rough coloring of her now';

'>>7135106';

'i get really lazy about photographing, i should be better.';

'>>7140458
>>7135106';

'>>7140067
>nipple cheese
Getting that confused with dick cheese...';

'>>7140067
>nipple cheese
is there really such a thing?';

'>>7135764
that hand pose looks bad and I ain't drawing it
head is in a deceptively difficult angle, too';

'>>7140493
that mutant vagina looks like a cooking pot';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'undefined';

'Just give up and let a machine do it...';

'>>7139320
>>7140493
Just wanted to let you know, I enjoy your work the most and the way you're not afraid to make a change to your liking. do you have online gallery?';

'>>7135106
2-3 min';

'>>7140257
What an Attention whore.
The drawing is excellent, maybe one day you can be as good';

'>>7135106';

'>>7140515
lol I can't really see the supposed cooking pot but you're right, the vulva shouldn't stick out like that in this angle. thanks
>>7140873
I do but it's mostly loli';

'>>7140918
be careful don't cut yourself on all that edge';

'>>7140473
>>7140483
all skin folds produce smegma';

'>>7139083
im not sure if you were trying to change the angle of the head or if you wanted to keep the same angle but i redlined in relation to the original but long story short, learn how the angles on forms change in different perspectives';

'>>7141009
literally worst redline ive ever seen, you couldn't even redline the reference properly.';

'>>7135106
I'm still learning
I'm aware that the prospective of the face and the position of the breasts are wrong

Any other observation and advice is very welcome';

'>>7135965
>>7139272
Heroes of /ic/';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'>>7141183
i love how the proportions are wrong, one of the best in this thread. I can't give any advice, but keep learning';

'>>7141260
i like the style
>>7141356
nice painterly rendering.';

'>>7141393
What do you mean "I love"?
I'm going to focus more on proportions tho, now that you pointed it out i realised how deformed i drew her.
Thx';

'This thread is a good reminder to anyone lurking that quite literally, 95% of /ic/ is beg.

I don't remember the quality of work being this low in the past. Around 2020-21, many of the "draw this in your style" posters were better than the average industry professional. Seems like everyone good has left';

'>>7141458
there is a tier lower than beg. its generic anime copiers.';

'>>7141497
and below that it's your work';

'>>7141458
If your work is marketable you would be wasting your time posting here, simple as. And since you're here, and not even posting your work, we can only assume you are pre- or perma-/beg/';

'>>7141532
>>7141539

cry more';

'>>7141554
you don't need to post
I already now it's prebag shit';

'>>7141558
all you know is the underside of a table you living cocksleeve';

'>>7141558
your post is the embodiment of cope';

'haven't drawn in a while. challenging pose. trying to render colors and shading rn but its coming out like ass so im prolly not gonna post so here's my initial sketch from the drawpile with additional refinement in photoshop.';

'>>7141558
>I already now it's prebag shit
>now
>prebag
crying so hard both can’t type and he can’t see the keyboard to type';

'>>7141586
>I hate eastern loving hispanics
why? I'm a mulatto and am not a particularly big weeb so I don't have a dog in this, just curious.';

'>>7141586
>you are a hispanic just because the voices in my head said
holy schizophrenia';

'>>7141586
>>7141603
The poster himself said he spoke spanish in other threads, so people naturally assume he's either Spanish or South American';

'>>7141634
where did you get this from
I'm the op and I don't speak a word of spanish';

'>>7136068
>Honduran wall-etching website';

'>>7141636
I thought you said you were a brazilian structural engineer?';

'>>7141641
I'm portuguese but I live in another EU country
I'm a mechanical engineer tho';

'>>7141648
ah shit, I misremembered things lol

And I forget Brazilians speak portuguese rather than spanish. I also forget portuguese people speak portuguese sometimes';

'undefined';

'>>7141654
Now THIS is soul.';

'>>7141654
Holy moly...';

'>>7141009
used my mouse, just wanted to show form basics';

'>>7141696
meant for >>7141102';

'>>7141663
>>7141679
would there be interest on this board of me making a drawthread and drawing whatever you guys want? i used to do that on the other imageboard that was popular years ago that i apparently can't say the name of or it gets flagged as spam, and that's how i got experience but the site went to shit and i haven't done it since.';

'>>7141654
WINNER';

'>>7141569
i like it, it's one of the few here where the face isn't jacked up';

'>>7139295
>>7139408
>>7139528
>>7139949
>>7139953
>>7141216
Thanks for the (You)'s. Posting another from >>7135764 on my blog, /ic/';

'>>7135764';

'>>7141798
nice very smooth rendering';

'undefined';

'Still don't know how shadows work';

'>>7141798
Nice';

'More difficult than I thought it'd be

>>7136290
>>7136613
>>7138114
>>7141356
>>7141798
I like these

>>7135550
I like her hair and face, please render them out if you can';

'>>7141654
anyone can photoshop their drawing onto that thing

>>7141798
ai slop

>>7142458
rip tablet surface';

'>>7141963
have you read or watched videos about it? what dont you understand?';

'>>7142481
how do you tell the difference between real and fake then';

'>>7135106
her hair reminded me of fern';

'>>7141433
i love how deformed she is, honestly';

'>>7142481
I should take that as a compliment I guess? lol
idk how to prove but here's a photo of my layers + the sketch';

'>>7142698
>taking bait
It's an AInigger, he likes to pretend AI is indistinguishable from human art. Goes around /ic/ 'calling out' random drawings, hoping somebody will agree so he can go 'GOTCHA'. 0 success rate so far.';

'>>7142896
>>7142698
i wish you would take the bait more and do even more layer breakdown so i can lern';

'>>7142896
damn dude i had a feeling it was bait but i fell for it anyways

>>7142910
I'm down to do a layer breakdown for u when I'm home from work if i can figure out how to record my screen, maybe I can just drop the psd';

'>>7140920
>I do but it's mostly loli
So?';

'>>7142698
>>7141798
Blog?';

'>>7139746
seetheposter lol';

'>>7135106
How did i do?';

'Just, just, just, just imagine you are behind her toilet and one day she just rushes whilst farting on her way to the crapper and she take a really urgent shit, and you, you, you are behind her toilet and can be so near that beautiful spectacle of nature.
Her thighs and big butt vibrating the moment she has to relief herself and gasping so sexily as if she was being fucked in the asshole.';

'>>7140257
The human body is actually meant to change its shape when you lean forward, not stay round all the way through.
The same reason why her chin is so sharp is because she has a low enough BFP to make her jaw bone visible.
But don't worry, Anon's OC could be an achievable physique for you if you cut back 992307949163 calories a day.';

'>>7143157
doing the lords work';

'>>7136615
I immediately thought of some AI tracer generation because of how well the drawing captured the outline but made the most generic interpretation of the pose imaginable.
>looking at viewer
>rigid form
>neck angled straight
sovless desu';

'>>7143157
>those text corrections
heh';

'>>7135965
>>7138114
>>7139272
>>7141356
>>7141798
>>7141912
>>7142613
FigureGODS crushing face vs /ic/ crabs

May your reps be disciplined and your gains bountiful';

'this shit above my pay grade';

'>>7143210
very cute style';

'>>7135106
Gave it a shot, need to work out how to render hair';

'>>7140493
Love your style gizmo';

'>>7135106
she looks like my ex
im going to have a wank now';

'>>7143210
I really like this one, good job.';

'Not a SINGLE one of you gave her a cock.

I'm fucking disappointed IC';

'>>7142925
based. here https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/93035622
>>7143425
cheers';

'>>7135106
why does everyone keep fucking up this part?';

'>>7143671
Too much anime. Not enough studies.';

'>>7143157
gottem';

'>>7135965
AI?';

'Forgot I hate drawing';

'deceptively hard pose, kudos to everyone who drew it!';

'>>7143218
>>7143445
thx bros';

'Had a good practice, thx OP';

'>>7143758
you hate drawing faces thats for sure';

'did it';

'Sketch came out kinda fucked up, maybe I'll paint it tomorrow.';

'>>7144328
Aaand, that's how far I'm willing to go.';

'>>7135106';

'undefined';

'>>7144767
horee shittu how did you get this cracked pls drop some advice';

'>>7144802
by copying all day, every day. i identify as a human printing machine.';

'>>7144802
Went to art school for a year and a bunch of things just clicked. IMO once you train your brain to perceive 3D in a 2D space you'll level up quick, that's when I noticed myself getting way better anyways. Cross contour drawing will help with this I think but I can't really put a finger on what else. I had this one class where we just drew objects like shoes and jugs and fabric and shit and did cross contours across them and I'm pretty sure that's what trained my brain to think like this.

Uhhh honestly I'm really lazy and never studied construction or anything. I've never drawn a loomis head in my life. I've just done a lot of life drawing and know what shit looks like now, the relationships between different proportions of the body. If i need to know anything specific like how certain muscle groups work I just look it up. I just run on vibes.';

'>>7144322
I dig it, the pixels feel very chunky, very stylish.';

'>>7144262';

'>>7144887
Nice';

'>>7144872
thank you. last time I posted a digital painting to /ic/ was many years ago when I was like 14, and someone asked me if I used a wojak as a base (I didn't).

glad to hear I've improved since then';

'undefined';

'did another';

'>>7144767
I'm in awe of how cute her face is. HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!';

'>>7144849
gotcha
>>7144887
nice face
>>7145337
cracked x 2';

'>>7145382
I want to study appeal too like what exactly is it about that face that makes it look so soft and cute and nice to eye';

'>>7135106';

'>>7135106
Not really a dtiys but a side-by-side study.
Didn't really get the face, but a good example of how you always spot that difference the easiest.';

'>>7145337
i really like the brush stroke textures!
>>7146123
idk, maybe some nit-picking but the shading and proportions are spot on';

'>>7135106
my prebeg attempt';

'>>7143157
>words words words
classic beg shitter 'criting' his betters';

'>>7135106
I’m on my phone. This was a 8 second piece. Is Vilpapa proud yet?';

'Super quick like 30 mins. Fumbled but still a humbling experience, especially the nose';

'>>7137246
Ok, that is clever.
Great job.';

'>>7135764';

'Second attempt at drawing of the year';

'>>7137246
Booba town';

'>>7136199
rough early talent';

'>>7144767
>>7142698
can you break down how you color? I'm interested in seeing how you use orange and blue with your shadows like that, it looks really good all over the skin, ethereal';

'>>7147697
It's two multiply layers, first uses a warm tone and the second uses a cool tone. The cool tone layer I only put shadows where I've already put warm tone shadows. Afterwards when I render I use the colour picker with the colours I already have, some slight adjustments if needed.';

'Disappointed that there was no permaprebeglet schizo symbol drawing and being patronized, crabbed and ridiculed to death.
It's over for /ic/';

'I hate this shit so much. I've made no progress in years.';

'>>7135106
Still trying to figure out my style.';

'gave it a crack';

'more of a rough study than a stylized drawing, but it was fun making it. the nose was specially hard lol
anyway, this was a great push for me to go back to drawing after weeks of doing nothing. so thanks, anon (and breasty lady).';

'>>7135179
dgtmi
geniuspilled and underrated';

'>>7135764
>>7139819';

'>>7150673
couple of render tests';

'Draw this in your style, hopefully with less orientalist clothing <3';

'Genshin fandom don't fucking deserve the Sumeru on god. Fujoshits are incapable of "appreciating" culture';

'>>7136062
I like it';

'>>7135106
Holy shit you motherfuckers suck ass. This ref rekt 99% of you dorks. The amount of coping by appealing to coomer sensibilities is fucking hilarious.

>>7150673
>>7150683
The only good ones ITT';

'>>7150728
are these feminine men or masculine women?';

'>>7135106
I have an ugly human artstyle but here';

'>>7136169
don't lettem get ya down bro!! my faces also come out weird sometimes!!!';

'>>7151259
Men :/';

'>>7152062
boo, good style though';

'>>7136246
you dont understand basic construction';