'drawing is hard help with anatomy';

'how much of the fundies do I have to know to draw cartoonish styles?
>inb4 all of them
I know, but to what degree?
I doubt cartoonists can easily shit out perfectly shaded and proportioned realistic drawings';

'If a mf can't assimilate Keys to drawing should they just give up drawing?
I honestly would not know what to tell them at that point - it's the first step book.
How can someone be shit at looking at stuff?';

'who is the more /pro/ general? /draw/ or /alt/ ?';

'sketch for some anon a while ago';

'>>7136536
Study and draw. When you study realism you can see what changes in cartoon stylization. The more you learn and apply, the better you get in both execution and stylization';

'>>7136552
If they've never tried to draw anything before in their life they've got an excuse. I can see how for certain people they might struggle if the KtD projects are their first drawings ever. If this is a person who's been on grind for years and KtD is beyond them then they need to rethink of high-level draftsmanship is a realistic goal.';

'>>7136554
/draw/, but it's not like /alt/ doesn't have any /pro/ artists
think /draw/ as the main square of /ic/, you can see all styles and levels there';

'why do I even bother anymore

Everything I draw looks flat and bland. People have told me to study gesture and shapes. People have recommended me to check Brent Eviston and Andrew Loomis, but I'm honestly lost';

'Another boring pose.

Mood is still pretty bad but at least I am drawing again. I wanna draw something fun but still feel oddly fixated on studying from real life.

Think I should just start learning how to draw anime/manga instead at this point? I just feel like while yes it is good I know how people are shaped better now, I feel I would probably make more progress if I drew anime/manga characters and then go back to doing this at a later date. Should I?';

'how do i make "quick" design trouts like these more visually appealing? does it even matter?';

'no one ever gives feedback here get me out of beg hell';

'>>7136536
Observation and form. Observation, to learn how to draw on model. Form, to rotate the character.

That's it. Anatomy is honestly not needed to draw Mickey Mouse';

'>>7136626
how do i study form?';

'Am I /beg/tier';

'>>7136638
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqR-aNpyEIVd91GCwsyOS3oRn6eoRhyio

>>7136641
Yes

>>7136620
I'm probably going to tell you to read keys to drawing but show work and I'll try to help.';

'>>7136590
>Think I should just start learning how to draw anime/manga instead at this point?
Yes, having projects that allow you to apply what you've been studying is very important. There's no magic scale that tells you when you're ready to start drawing the thing you really want to be drawing. If you have some ultimate goal you're working towards you should do it.';

'>>7136588
This me BTW >>7136135

My advice. LIVE AND LEARN
The more risks you take the better you'll understand. I'm shit at drawing but I still do it because one day I know one day I'm gonna look back like 2 months ago and say "what a retarded fag I was" all you need is a menthol cigarette and a prostitute that can help you.';

'Why does my traditional wok look more expressive/fun to look at than my digital art alongside taking x3 times less to make?
I'm just not used to the digital medium well enough yet, or is the art style I'm aiming for just better suited to trad media?
Left took little more than an hours while right took almost 3 and half btw. I've come back to drawing traditionally relatively recently as well after a year of purely doing digital and an occasional tiny doodle on paper if it is of any help.';

'>>7136675
*Traditional work
Sorry for the typo, here's more examples';

'>>7136638
Vilppu';

'>>7136552
>How can someone be shit at looking at stuff?
Have you ever heard of Autism Anon';

'Do you think I got a chance to win CSP CONTEST 39?';

'I won’t participate in this thread, either, because I no longer draw due to being labeled NGMI.';

'undefined';

'Konbanwa.
I am a beg and I want to do copy studies digitally.
My issue is that it's hard for me to keep the reference in view while also having my canvas in view. I don't know how to arrange both to have a comfortable setup, as someone with a single monitor and a screenless tablet. If I have it on my canvas, then moving it around and zooming will eventually cover either of the two up, and I want to have both visible at all times to make copying easier on myself. Should I have it on a window outside of my drawing program, like on windows photo viewer? In that case it's hard for me to keep scale since I can zoom both reference and canvas independently, which will have both out of sync quite fast and fuck up my scaling.
How do you guys do it?';

'>>7136775
I'm also a 1 monitor + screenless tablet user. I do it like picrel.
Don't know hou you could get drawing and ref "out of sync", honestly. You're supposed go from big shapes to details.';

'>>7136791
>Don't know hou you could get drawing and ref "out of sync", honestly. You're supposed go from big shapes to details.
Yes, but I'm also a retarded low/beg/ so I mess up obvious shit like that all the time. But thanks.
My active area on my monitor is also not full-screen, so I have a 1:1 match with my tablet's metric paper aspect ratio. I guess in your configuration I would have to move the area flush to the left instead of having it centered like I have had it until now.';

'>>7136775
I have 2 monitors and I use my ipad connected to my pc as a third monitor/drawing tablet.';

'>Muster the courage to try to block-in instead of doing lineart
This is HARD as FUCK
And then I'm supposed to do colors directly?
What the hell man, I hate values';

'undefined';

'undefined';

'>>7136505
Whoo hoo
No problem right guys?

Outline time';

'Getting filtered';

'>>7136505
/ic/sisters...';

'i hate when my drawing looks like a muddy mess, i feel like there's no coming back';

'>>7136854
>>7136855
You both draw in a similar way.';

'Yesterday's pile

>>7136845
I really like it actually, this is very pretty.';

'>>7136858
i wonder if the other guy feels insulted';

'>>7136873
They're both /caca/, what's the matter?';

'>>7136710
Probably not. The drawing is fine but it doesn't look like the stuff that usually wins those contests, maybe you'll be third next to some Bocchi fanart.';

'>>7136710
Great piece but please reduce the size of the background next time.

Combined, their area is over half the canvas and the fact that they are brightly colored makes it difficult to focus on the subject.';

'>>7136710
>cute elf playing a harp
>not coom shit
based and i like it but I'm not sure about you winning the contest I mean i hope you do but ya know they'll probably pick some gay weeb shit as the winner';

'>>7136675
>I'm just not used to the digital medium well enough yet, or is the art style I'm aiming for just better suited to trad media?
You're not used enough to drawing digitally yet. It's 100% expected for the jump to require time to adjust because you're using different tools.
Artstyle has nothing to do with it.';

'undefined';

'>>7136942
we already saw this one
go draw more, silly niggy';

'>>7136945
Lmao sorry, I didn't get any answers so I thought I'd post it again';

'>>7136948
starved for attention but can't even bother to draw faces or hands
apply yo'self niggy';

'>>7136505
These OP always make me chuckle. Good job OP!';

'>>7136753';

'How do you draw supernaturally flexible characters and still make it look good';

'I made a small lady : )';

'How do I into "gesture" / proportions quickly? should the initial sketch be done quickly or should you take your time? I'm retarded';

'KAKAAA POOPIES KAKAKAKA KAKAAA MHHH YUMMY KAKAA';

'>>7136981
gesture is a meme. Take your time and draw what you see carefully.';

'>>7136912
>tYou're not used enough . I
except he does most of his work in digital for at least three years already :/';

'undefined';

'>>7137008
Is he using a screenless tablet? That'd explain the gap between the time it takes him between traditional and digital formats.

When he said >>7136675
>Left took little more than an hours while right took almost 3 and half
He didn't mention any details on the differences between the way he draws on paper and digitally. For example one reason it could be taking him a lot more time on digital is if he's constantly using Ctrl+Z. There's obviously some reason or reasons that explain the time gap.';

'>>7137008
What I can recommend him is that he takes note of the things that he does when drawing digitally that might be slowing him down compared to when he's drawing on paper, and then later consider if such things are unavoidable or can be somehow made easier or faster to do.';

'>>7137019
And that he also takes note of the things that he does when drawing on paper that he could also do on digital to make the latter faster. Logically there has to be an explanation.';

'undefined';

'Stupid question, but how do they do this? Specifically deleting the lines around 10s
Just put it on a separate layer and lasso?';

'>>7136880
>>7136894
I totally forgot, I should have drawn anime style. Lesson learnt.
>>7136886
I was attempting to create this elf version of a smart phone, like some kind of portal. Not sure it worked.';

'>>7137060
Just eyeball it like kjg instead of doing this autistic shit';

'>>7137066
>kjg
who?';

'>>7137067
Kim Jung Gi';

'>>7137060
as cool as this is, this is basically the ideal situation to use 3d software, for all the hard forms with simple repeating patterns';

'>>7137064
>I was attempting to create this elf version of a smart phone
Add some screen flare (glass) or surface tension (water) depending on your preference';

'>>7136505';

'playing with tones
>>7136981
time is irrelevant when drawing, speed comes naturally';

'>>7137060
Impressive work
Shame it will probably get just some 200 views
Not worth it. Use 3d';

'>>7137060
Looks great man, keep it up.';

'>>7136505';

'>>7137066
Pyw';

'>>7136505';

'>>7136505';

'>>7137082
Very nice, though the chin seems a little small.';

'>>7136954';

'>>7136505';

'>>7137115
stop spamming your crap
make a collage already';

'>>7137082
dun dar da dar dan';

'>>7137074
Water tension could be cool, well I probably don't want it to be like a smart phone with glass. Good idea thanks!';

'Which is the best book to learn anatomy. And I want the classicist feel of the body, not like super exaggerated muscles ones';

'I haven't drawn in a month
I tried drawing a this silly guy
His name is dave wojakinski';

'>>7136505
>>7137119
Zug zug
>>7137139
Fantasy exaggerated muscles are great!';

'>>7137139
Bridgman, he was heavily inspired by Michaelangelo's figures.';

'>>7137150
fantastic job
done from ref or just winged it?';

'>>7137154
10 mins copy from pinterest and Xiao Wechun book. Feng Zhu said that I have to draw 10 pictures per day to git gud, that why I am pumping these out.';

'>>7136965
Is that a landsknecht? I might have to draw some of those guys, their clothes were cool. Nice drawing.';

'>>7136942

Double check your lines as you go. You did good to use the panty line to try and orient the facing of the hips and torso but you drew it at the wrong angle which turned the belly button and the rest of the upper torso flatter towards the viewer. This pulled the breasts out of place because you were trying to measure the spacing between each breast as well as the arm pit, but that spacing was then wrong relative to the facing of the ribcage.';

'>>7136091
the face of the right one bothers me, too long maybe';

'>>7137103
how the fuck do i draw like this';

'>>7137103
>>7137191
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/7h04gq7ci5v8xvw
It's a copy from Pawell's book';

'>>7137086';

'>>7137195
Looks like a good
Thanks!';

'>>7137182
studies look good but you're definitely stiffening up the poses a bit - make them looser than you think! Look at the arch on the girl on the right's back - draw a plumb line from her scapula down to her ass and compare it to yours. And don't forget your memory copies, that's where the learning happens!

For my contribution to the thread I'm following along with meds map (the woman) and just sort of doodling (the rest)';

'>>7136791
i use pureref but if you use file on your painting program it's probably easier to quickly flip and rotate, convert to grayscale, etc
honestly those things are the most annoying for me when i'm trying to use pureref for a study';

'>>7137219
Also, spend 1 or 2 mins to do some basic contruction to analyze the forms. The construction will act as a skeleton for your drawing.';

'>>7137150
>green nigger
garbage subject matter';

'>>7137237
Krog's gonna krump you punny pale skin.';

'*';

'>>7137239
all he's gonna do is drink some demon cum and yell dindunuffin while shitting into a ditch behind his mud hut
total and utter green nigger death
shrimple as';

'I lost the spark bros, and I can't get it back.';

'>>7137258
pencil-dick pale-skin aggression.';

'OJ Simpson is still dead.';

'stupid question, but am I supposed to draw Igor Stravinsky upside down, or flip him?';

'How long do you give yourself to complete a drawing before you give up? It’s so frustrating to be struggling with something several hours in when I could’ve used AI to come up with a better rendition in seconds.';

'>>7137285
This is a stupid question
You are supposed to draw him upside down, in order to get rid of symbol drawing';

'>>7137085
Nice';

'It's been 4 months since I started drawing and I feel so lost. I've been making progress compared to when I started but it all feels too slow. When I put the pencil down I usually feel pretty good about myself, but when I come back the next day, everything looks off.';

'>>7137306
bro your construction? your anatomy? what was the drawing process that led you to draw a woman's rib-cage as twice the width of her pelvis?
what did you spend that 4 months doing?
t. 2 months in and don't want to make the same mistakes';

'>>7137309
I don't know how to construct a body.
I should really rethink how I go about drawing.';

'>>7137322
it is not trivial task. some one need to post cirno guide :]';

'FUCK bros
am I retarded, or is it normal to be mentally exhausted after doing the Stravinsky sketch exercise? He came out weird and deformed, but I think I got how not to symbol draw
>>7137291
thanks, I just assumed that I had to flip him in my mind and draw him flipped';

'>>7137346
also, the lines are physically indented into my next page
am I pushing too hard? should this happen?';

'>>7137349
>should this happen?
If you are using a normal pencil, then its not supposed to happen unless you want it to happen';

'>>7137346
I remember when I did that exercise like a year ago or so';

'>>7137354
Made me realize I draw heads too big';

'>>7137351
it's a normal pencil, thanks
>>7137354
soul';

'>thanks, I just assumed that I had to flip him in my mind and draw him flipped
I didn't use this book, but I believe you should not perceive it as a flipped person. Because if you perceive him as a flipped person, you start to make assumptions, but the goal is not to use any assumptions but to copy the image as an abstraction.';

'>>7137014
Soul';

'>>7137085
You have same face syndrome';

'undefined';

'ayo holup i just realized the G-pen and 90% of CSP tools are not meant for drawing';

'undefined';

'undefined';

'Drew Peepee and Woahjack';

'>>7137391
What are they for?';

'>>7137271
YOU GOT THE TOUCH! YOU GOT THE POWER! YYYYEEEEAAAAHHHH!';

'>>7137443
Line Art and Inking';

'>>7137222
Take a look at the key bindings (at the settings menu, ctrl+U). Ctrl+alt+G converts to grayscale, for example.';

'>>7136942
>tattoo
>goes from an 8 to a 3';

'>>7136505
Need good sources for drapery';

'>>7137458
That’s not also drawing?';

'>>7137346
>normal to be mentally exhausted after doing the Stravinsky sketch exercise?
I don't know specifically about that exercise, but it's common to feel exhausted with /prebeg/-tier exercises if you've never put a lot of mental effort into a drawing before. At first I could focus hard for an hour at most, but over time you'll be able to be in the zone for longer.';

'>>7137475
OK, boomer.';

'>>7137478
OK, thanks for letting us know.';

'>>7137489
Back to twitter with you.';

'>>7137475
HE DOESN'T LIKE TATTOOS, EVERYONE.
Go draw lil whiny bitch.';

'>>7137494
>all caps
>salty about another guy's simple opinion
Yeah I'm whiny alright';

'>>7136942
Put more effort into it. You're doing the parts you're comfortable with and then leaving the harder features blank. Otherwise focus on getting the major parts down in a light sketch that you can easily change, always double check that you're placing body parts on a spot and at a scale that allows everything to fit on your page. (One of) The problem(s) with photo references is that usually they're taken with a decent composition so you're not thinking about finding interesting angles to draw from and how the composition will lie on the page.';

'>>7137482
How would i know, i'm a begginer. Cleaning up doesn't involve drawing so i'm gonna guess it's not';

'>>7137221
thanks for the feedback, was already fucking it up again lol';

'Drawing tifa and I'm struggling with the hand/forearm, give me some crit I've been redrawing this for hours';

'>>7137568
based tifa drawer
go on, chad, draw tifa';

'>>7137568
Megabeg here, i dont redline, but I must say imo the arm is a bit thin and the punch should be uppercut with that pose';

'Bulmbitch study';

'>>7137483
What does pre-beg even mean you homo';

'>>7137587
Pre-beg as in someone who's never touched art in their entire life who the fu- wha- I should kick your fucking ass who is this.';

'>>7137596
gotcha pre-sperg';

'>>7137596
Prebeg is also someone who is so shit that they perpetually look like it’s their first time drawing. I’m a permaprebeg.';

'>>7136505
Something I did for work ( don't get your panties in a bunch, it's a very low paying job that hasn't panned out into other professional work yet).';

'>>7137524
I recently started to do a very quick sketch of my impression of the figure. It has the exact same function of a gesture drawing, but it isn't as vague - a lot of the times I end up drawing on top of it instead of using it as another ref.
I exaggerate what I think looks cool, get rid of stuff I don't care about, and keep essential things (like the balance of the figure, marked with a straight vertical line in picrel).
Zoom out and be as messy and expressive as you need to.';

'I'm trying to make a good vtuber model. I was inspired by JoJo, but something doesn't feel right. Any critique would be appreciated. I worked on the proportions and I think this character looks distinct. I want him to stand out but I think I'm missing something.';

'>>7137616
you're /pro/ and don't belong here';

'undefined';

'>>7137636
yeah thanks bud';

'>>7137467
ohh, thanks anon, this is great';

'>>7137616
Dude was rude but the message still applies: try /alt/ and /draw/, anon. Maybe even the self promotion thread.';

'>>7137650
Thanks man. I'm new to this forum and social media in general. I think I'm gonna erase the original post.';

'>>7137627
you need different hair or a different head shape. It looks too squared even for jojo';

'have always drawn sfw or lewd not-explicit stuff, recently made a lewd drawing and it got a ton of likes but very few retweets, something like 1 retweet for every 30 likes
If I click on some of the accounts liking it, they're mostly newish ones from 2022-2023 that have liked tons of porn, irl and hentai. I seriously never see irl porn on twitter other than the occasional scambot.
is this normal behaviour for twitter users or did my post attract hoards of bots?
is there a huge category of irl porn on twitter?';

'hi! i've drawn for years but i just picked it up again. i wasn't really ever any too good, but i wanted to try my hand at stuff. how can i improve on this? i'm a bit too nervous to try to draw the rest of the head and the body, it's really intimidating to me. how can i improve?';

'>>7137684
Wtf ur Fandom Is still alive? Sonic exe? Imo thug that shit out, when you're scared that's when you know you're ready.';

'>>7137684
My brother in christ, remember that you're on digital. There's no ink that you can't erase or paper that gets damaged if you erase graphite too much.
Go crazy, go stupid. Try drawing quickly diferent shapes for the head and body so you can easily have a "preview" of what you think looks good, and only when you find what looks good, go into detail. Use refs. Fail fast. There's no reason to be afraid.';

'>>7137701
oh man you have NO idea. sonic.exe is super super alive still, there's like a billion different versions of him and a ton of ideas have spawned from him for other games too.
>thug it out
alright, i'll try it. i guess i know it's not going to be good because it's a first attempt, but i have to start somewhere.
>>7137707
y'know, you're right! there's no reason to be afraid, if i mess up next time i'll do better. i have infinite ink and an infinite canvas. thanks guys, seriously it means a lot.';

'What surface do you guys put your sketchbook? I just have it in my lap with my ankle on my knee, and I don't think it's very good because it's easy to fuck up and my leg keeps falling asleep';

'>>7137085
I only browse these threads to see ur works and pawells. Could you draw some NTR? really like ur style n expressions';

'>>7137402
what's with shitty gross line art';

'undefined';

'Don't know where else to go for this, but how does the hair here look? Could I redraw to make it look better?';

'>>7137738
You need to get rid of symbol drawing';

'>>7137182
man, i love AI';

'>>7137115
>>7137195
notalent loser';

'>>7137090
noread faggot stfu';

'>>7137748
>t. Pawell';

'>>7137748
>>7137749
pyw';

'>>7137085
wtf are these hands doing in the first one?';

'>>7137060
looks tedious. who wants to draw like that? just use a photo and trace';

'>>7136942
avoid drawing poses like these, they are meaningless';

'>>7137413
Is loli allowed?';

'>>7137756
how are they any more meaningless than any other pose?';

'>>7137741
What do you mean by that? Should I thicken the hair or make it less stringy?';

'It feels very off
I cant tell what Im doing wrong';

'>>7136505';

'>>7137822
>back legs and hooves are straight';

'>>7137738
The whole face looks extremely "westoid anime" you need to do some master copies of mangaka you admire';

'>>7137778
What does the pose communicate? What is she doing?';

'>>7137784
You should imagine the bald head and draw hair not too far away from it. The hair needs to go to different directions, not just towards the sky. Also the eyes, mouth and overall face feels very off, like symbol drawing';

'undefined';

'Doing… stuff';

'undefined';

'can someone redline the "loomis" or the construction of this face? because I just don't see it and all my attempts are pre beg';

'>>7137290
If it’s not ready to go within 5 hours it’s never going to happen.';

'>>7133700
Added color and shading';

'>>7137922
symbol shading :<';

'>>7137862
Okay, thanks';

'>>7137882
>>7137413
>>7137402
>>7137376

SOVL

>>7137085
>>7137101
>>7137103
>>7137150
>>7137244

BORING GENERIC TRASH';

'>>7137886
:D';

'How does one "feel the form"?';

'>>7138005
Imagine everything as 3d objects, an arm is not an arm but an cylinder in space etc. Then imagine drawing over these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oFpESh9ANI&list=PLqR-aNpyEIVd91GCwsyOS3oRn6eoRhyio&index=3

This guy explains form bretty gud';

'>>7137998
>doesnt even align with the outlines
never use construction';

'>>7137986
>>7138014
Tell me your art looks like shit without telling me so';

'>>7137778
choose reference where people are actually doing something- walking, eating, reading, playing sports, riding a bike, skating, crawling, fucking, whatever, you get the idea. Something other than putting hands in the air just because.';

'>>7138016
behold

now post your work';

'>>7138019
not yours faggot nodraw. A fucking coward.';

'>>7138024
It is I posted it in another thread and then downloeded it from there because I deleted it. Here I drew one just for you';

'>>7138029
Feast your eyes!';

'>>7138032
I recognize those lines..gesture anon or blob anon is that you? Also what is coming out from his cock is that semen or a weird animal cock thing';

'Sup beg, behold: pixel "art". I kinda ran out of apps to try so now i shall experiemnt with this exotic one. It has only "two" brushes lmao.

>>7137922
i like it, left ear is very awkward and for some reason in light
>>7137882
soul
>>7137871
>>7137866
>>7137244
>>7137014
nice stuff
>>7137684
pick up art book and "just draw", simple
>>7137676
people dont retweet porn so their mom doesnt see what they are into. people make new accounts for porn cause you cannot see it without account. you dont see real life porn cause you never liked / followed accounts which peddle it. yes, everybody is on social slop ONLY for the porn. that is why every single time social slop bans porn it instantly dies
>>7137616
>>7136965
i kneel
>>7137568
nice thot
>>7137419
i wish pepe memes were this cute. instead we got that abomination
>>7137402
the hair are too uniform and too busy. remember the rule: less is more
>>7137346
as a beg even taking pencil in your hand is exhausting. you will get used to it
>>7137115
your heads put mine to shame
>>7136710
put some background into the black void. like paint over some photo of forest with lakes or sun or clouds. very nice
>>7136675
i cant see a difference to be honest, both are excellent?
>>7136641
everybody is beg until proven otherwise
>>7136552
book drawing for the utter beginner has way easier skill curve, try that?
>>7138032
that is a big cock';

'>>7138034
Google Fear and Hunger Guard. It's their "stinger".';

'>>7137998
thanks mate I appreciate it';

'Better collage with the actual chronological order.';

'>>7138045
It maybe better in a stylish way, but worse to admire bunny hips :]';

'>>7136959
I think the key is to have the joints bend in a direction the muscle can bend them, the point is to ignore flexibility not ignore the muscle function

Also your arms were too short :(';

'>>7137618
cool will try that next time
still stiff and this time I don't like her head and shoulders, I notice this shit after coloring lmao';

'>>7138038
YOU CAN DRAW?!';

'>>7138014
It's not that you shouldn't use construction, its that anon did a shit job.

This is what happens when beginners teach beginners...';

'>>7138089
>that wasn't real construction';

'>>7138034
Post a piece of the "blob anon" i am curious.';

'>>7138093
Okay, here ya go. Did up the original pic, and included a sketch to show my work. And yes, I am taking a photo of my computer with my phone, deal with it.

>>7137998
>>7137886';

'>>7138113
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA';

'>>7138113
>This is what happens when beginners teach beginners...';

'>>7138120
Wow, never made an anon have a meltdown before.';

'>>7138122
>triggered
LOL';

'>>7138123
I clearly have. This is a really low stakes situation to worry about.

The real point here is that people on this board need to demystify "construction". It's just plotting down basic forms and proportions. You really needn't treat it like anything more or less. People get really weird about "this is how to do construction, follow these steps exactly like this" and end up with poor results. And then people like you come in and insist "construction" as a whole is some trap to be avoided. It's really none of those things.';

'>>7138127
Your ego is very big for a begtard, and I did not read your word salad.';

'I have been using the ball and plane method of head drawing as a thoughtless "pin the tail on the donkey" guide of where to put the facial features rather than using it as a method to visualize a head as a 3D object in 3D space';

'Haven't really decided on a background yet, I was thinking something with a lot of vertical elements (pillars) to break it up.';

'>>7138096';

'>>7138132
He's not me Don't tarnish his name anon :)';

'>>7138132
I even have a gif from him saved';

'>>7138129
hi anon';

'>>7138149
>post trash
Aahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahhahahahah';

'>>7138149
Right looks like a shriveled old hag, left looks like a tranny with a beard.';

'>>7138129
You're right. >>7138019 and >>7138029 are so good, they really show that construction is for losers, just go straight for line, who needs form or proportion?';

'>>7138156
I did not say that using contruction is bad. I laughed that the fact that you think this >>7138113 is better than this >>7137998. You are a retarded dunny.';

'>>7138160
Well let me be real here, it's crap. I didn't even start with the circle, I did that last. I actually started with the eyeline, since that is far more important to proportion than the cranium which can geberally be shuffled around after. IIRC, the loomis method has you working on thirds for the face, with the eyes being placed "just a bit below the eyebrows" which I think is where things go wrong for people. What isn't said in the loomis method is that the eyes are exactly 1/2 way from the top of the head to the chin, which I find much easier to understand.';

'undefined';

'Yeah yeah I know it’s the worst thing you ever did see go fuck yourselves.';

'>>7137732';

'So uh I messed up were you supposed to apply EVERYTHING from chapter 1 to chapter 2 in keys to drawing?';

'>>7138149
why do construction fags always post copies? Isnt their stupid ass technique supposed to help you draw from imagination? You don't need any construction for copies.
Meanwhile everyone who actually makes original work doesnt use that garbage method';

'Gave into my intrusive thoughts';

'Why do construction-less fags post shitty works all the time? LOL';

'>>7138215
Most people with experience will not talk categorically against construction, even if they prefer to avoid it, because they understand its function. So these dumb takes are either nodraw bait or retard /beg/. Construction advocates could be retarded /beg/s too, but at least they draw.';

'>>7138200
this is the work of a notorious anti-construction faggot (-:';

'>>7138200
By "copies" do you just mean reference or tracing? Because if you mean reference, which is how you learn to draw, you do use construction. Again, construction is just drawing forms and marking proportions. Of course you use it when drawing from life or photo reference!';

'Some ink faces I did. Please give criticism.';

'undefined';

'>>7138220
Yeah exactly! And professionals also post a lot of finished work, not sketches. And they still use construction, meaning drawing simpler forms and marking proportion underneith their drawings, just not to the extent a beginner always does.

And I understand where these "anti-construction" people come from. Early on, following any sort of guide on construction can often make things feel very stilted and akward. But the more you practice, the more you actually see and feel the forms of what you are drawing, rather than the lines, and the more you can use forms and end up with something that feels alive, and isn't awkward and chunky.';

'Any Christians itt?';

'>>7138238
the shape or silhouette is good anon, I dont know how to criticize it tho :( could def make the girls faces prettier';

'>>7138058
last one for today, tried using less construction and guestimated more';

'>>7136505
ever see some art which made your brain hurt?';

'>>7137483
>it's common to feel exhausted with /prebeg/-tier exercises if you've never put a lot of mental effort into a drawing before
>>7138038
>as a beg even taking pencil in your hand is exhausting. you will get used to it
Thanks bros
I feel like a retard, man, I was actually tired after drawing that';

'>>7138038
great work pawell';

'undefined';

'I thought that Paint would be awkward to use but it didn't feel bad.';

'>>7138308
Not at all. The small brush is gonna show all of your mistakes. I like it a lot.';

'>>7138244
i hate anime but this is very cute anon';

'I've been drawing for a total of two weeks and I've been reading and trying out the Loomis method although I thought it was total bs at first. but a week of practicing with it and I feel like I can see much clearer now and its much easier to draw for some reason.';

'Any critique on what i can do next to improve? I'm feeling very lost right now';

'>>7138377
>Any critique on what i can do next to improve?
Take 100 body photos (face included) from the net and draw them, focus on anatomy';

'How do U decideon appealing colors? Do you have any suggestions? How do you decide your colors?';

'>>7138377
Try to trace over better looking art side by side';

'>>7138038
Thanks anon';

'>>7138377
>>7138381
This came out as a bit agressive. Cute drawing, but the legs make no sense. The head is a bit messy too, so u need to work on anatomy';

'I decided to use pen and paper again after years of only digital, and im surprised with the results, they dont look bad.
This is from Thalasin actually, Varination. I like how it came out, also I cant shade for shit so it really surprised me as well.';

'>>7138427
Looks like one of those thalasin side effects';

'>>7138441
yea, also made this one before it.';

'>>7138045
Blog?';

'>>7138381
>>7138407
>This came out as a bit agressive
Don't worry about it.
I have a couple of question about learning anatomy. I am currently studying Michael Hamptom's book, it use a gestural approach at the start of the process of making the figure but when I look at other resources they use a more mannequin approach. Also, when I start making that drawing I actually copying the outline of my reference photo. Pic related. I feel like I'm not applying the method that I
learned but I actually like the method it seem elegant. Any thoughts?

>>7138395
I don't really understand what you mean';

'>>7138448
>DO IT FAGGOT';

'>>7137844
The 'westoid anime' is what I was going for';

'I still like the white background version, but the colors are coming along I think :)
>>7136527
Your proportions don't look bad at all, so now it's just onto forming the general shape of the human figure on top of those proportions . Classical pencil sketches I've found are easier to approach for guidance than paintings, if it'd help to look to a guide for fleshing out.';

'>>7138471
>Any thoughts?
You need to male a sketch of the body outline first. The way ypu did it, ypu drew the dress then added the legs below.
Take this drawing >>7138377 and with blue color connect the legs to her body below, redline. Youll see it looks very off.';

'>>7138471
pick methods that work your you
looking at your drawing vs the ref, it seems that you struggle with basic proportions, so focusing on accuracy would give you the most gains right now';

'>>7136505
So, no matter how shit the result might be at first, I must keep grinding?';

'>>7138467
https://twitter.com/nemojona
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/90939813';

'Does the leotard look too shit?';

'>>7138490
>accuracy
Like measuring, plumb lines, and taking angels?';

'>>7137986
>bad art is good
>good art is bad
The /beg/ classic';

'>>7138172
You just had a whole conversation with the anti construction schizo. Shame on you. Anons typically recognize bait within fewer (You)s.';

'>>7138490
>>7138505
how do you actually measure proportions digitally?';

'>>7138505
yeah
>>7138513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8';

'i'm done staring at this piece of shit. jesus fucking christ what a piece of work. and it's far from done.';

'>>7138516
Alright, thanks for the advices anon!';

'>>7138516
thanks for this';

'>>7138499
No, the bunny ears and the lowest part of the leotard are off
Other than that this is pretty cool';

'>>7138499
I REALLY REALLLY REALLLLLY NEED a crash course on portraiture. I am starting to think I am legit brain damaged from being totally unable to capture faces.
Portraying emotions, focus, angles is legit nightmarish when I cant even draw the fucking face at all.';

'Vampire skull';

'>>7138478
sovl as fuck anon, i like it.';

'>>7138038
wow dr.pawell actually stopped copying his gay bridgman and made something not horrible again';

'would anyone mind redlining this figure? i cant understand the torso to pelvis connection here
im still a beginner drawer so if you could also explain your thought process id appreciate it';

'I don’t think gouache is for me. Not that my painting skills are high or anything, but I usually dabble in watercolors. Or my gouache is really bad which is really possible since it is a Himi jelly gouache that is very cheap, in pans and a bit older.';

'>>7138628
This.';

'>>7138635
centerlines are allowed to shift that far?';

'>>7138638
NTA but the torso twist does seem pretty extreme';

'>>7138640
>>7138635
just for reference here was my initial attempt before i posted the question, i felt like the way i did the pelvis was too 2d and not correct';

'>>7138628
meaningless pose';

'>>7138688
What if I have to draw a character jumping while looking at something';

'>>7138696
they wouldnt jump like that';

'>>7138698
What if I want them to jump like that';

'>>7138700
your art would look bad and unnatural';

'>>7138700
Don't enable schizos, anon';

'Why does the circled section looks so weird and how can I fix this?
Also, before I start outlining, is there any other major issue with the overall proportions?';

'Why are cute anime girls so hard to draw reeeeee';

'>>7138238
Need more shadows.


I need to draw more, been like 3 months since i last drew consistently and it’s showing. Looks like ass.';

'I made a quick asmongold sketch';

'>>7138267
kinda tired I just wanted to finish this one';

'>>7138748
am i going better?';

'>>7138883
SOVL';

'>>7138628
I tried. With a fully clothed figure it's just a lot of guess work along with looking at anatomy illustrations';

'I tried to make an insect that will attach to your skin and lay eggs into you';

'>>7138883
nope
use ref';

'>>7139004
/qa/ won';

'>>7138559
Try Chris Legaspi, anon.';

'I want to draw but i struggle with getting the resolve necessary to commit to it.
I've been runminating on it for a long while. I think i could learn if i just started, but i lack the resolve.

I just don't think i have it. I wish i did, though.';

'So SHOULD I give up if I can't into KtD?';

'>>7139019
The trick is that you have to be retarded about it.
If you can scream like a shonen protagonist and try to bruteforce understanding you'll eventually get it.

If not then not. About as much as i can advise regarding that. It is doable even though it doesn't seem like it should be. You really just have to bang your head on the wall until either splits wide open';

'>>7139019
No. Stop learning retarded fundies for a few days and just draw. Just try drawing what you want to draw even if it looks like shit.';

'>>7139019
Just read it and do the exercises. You're not going to do well because you /beg/. That's ok. You have to learn to observe. That's it. There's nothing to "can't into". You just do it and learn. You will get better.';

'wip';

'Sup beg, using these pixel only brushes is interesting change of drawing feel. And it can produce visually interesting patterns. But man i dont feel good about my skulls. It is all beg

>>7139019
archive.org/details/DrawingForTheAbsoluteAndUtterBeginnerm
>>7138918
that is like half of them
>>7138875
you perfectly captured his dead inside state of soul. i kneel
>>7138751
nice
>>7138630
you are supposed to mix the colors with each other in painting to create tones and hues, not to mix them with water to get "lighter tones", you used it like its water color lmao, do you have that plastic white pallet for mixing? use it
>>7138582
i see, a fellow skull enjoyer
>>7138559
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/89
>>7138520
it is coming out nicely
>>7138492
drawing, yes
>>7138478
SOUL
>>7138387
easiest stuff is to use existing artwork or photo and steal colors from it. most drawing apps even have this feature: load color palette from image
>>7138366
anon you forgot to draw the rest of the face!
>>7138256
killing chinese triple head dragons has nothing common with christians
>>7138244
put eyes a litle lower or raise the haircut so they are closer to middle
>>7138238
basic but nice. both women clothes are very flat
>>7138195
at the end of each chapter you have checkmark "test" to verify if you failed or not. but yes, ideally you want the knowledge to accumulate over the time, not to instantly discard it after the test like in schools
>>7138149
>>7138132
nice thots';

'Hey fellas i did the mark kister shiz and made a little timelapse, now that i'm free what should I do?

https://streamable.com/dxlzpx';

'>>7139047
your pixel skulls look autistic or retarded and incel like, great job';

'>>7139047
I made your skull into a face';

'How can I achieve late 90's cunny aesthetics';

'>>7139047
I want to sit down with pawell and instruct him as he's drawing, i can fix him';

'can't wait for my ipad to get here
i think i'll draw lot more if i can get past the initial block of having to set everything up (as minimal as the set up is)';

'I took my cousin to the park today decided to draw in the park. I really love how these came out but I know they could be better if I spent more time.

Question is will you get better at observation if you just keep doing it everyday? I've been reading ktd and it helped me.

Anyways I'll see you tomorrow';

'>>7139103
is that supposed to be Melt lillith?';

'>>7139108
nah it's my bootleg oc. i like her colors + hair so i swiped them';

'>>7139104
>will you get better at observation if you just keep doing it everyday?
Yes, anon. Mileage, analysis and correction.

See you.';

'>>7139104
>Let's draw something extremely complicate as a beginner and get sad because it turned out shitty.
Start with something easy mf.';

'>>7139128
>get sad
Anon said
>I really love how these came out but I know they could be better if I spent more time.
Mf can't read.';

'>thank someone for helping me
>some schizo copy's my post because he's upset
>my post gets deleted
fuck this shithole';

'>>7139137
Welcome to 4chan';

'>>7139137
I was the /qa/ schizo quoter, sorry that your post got deleted because of me. I just wanted to have fun.';

'>>7139137
For real I'm really sorry. I didn't intend to cause suffering for you. I hope you can forgive me. Please don't leave 4chan. Normally jannies don't delete stuff like that, but today they seemed a bit retarded. Here have some nice inspiration cyberpunk music https://youtu.be/mfUpn6pJFrs?list=PL3VbqeP6wYzclvNT6f5CFFbz2Pj-AvPHT

And some nude Japanese woman from my private posebook collection, I'm sorry.';

'>>7139142
>Please don't leave 4chan
Let them leave the shithole bro';

'>>7139142
Sorry to low res, please forigve me. Here you go, another high res picture. お詫びいたします

>>7139146
No, never. They need to stay here, do you want to create another normie? We need him to stay here.';

'>>7139022
Yeah that's part of the problem, I get frustrated pretty easily. I was actually giving myself headaches over it.
>>7139025
I have been drawing anime girls on the side.
Thought everyday time I do I get told to do KTD.
>>7139034
But I'm like embarrassingly beg at it; all the other examples I see are at least decent, mine are just plain shit.';

'Whats wrong with this
Im not feeling the form';

'undefined';

'does this one make more sense?
>>7139165
why dont you try finishing a drawing once? it could be a good experiment';

'uhhhh thats just not it';

'>>7139047
I mean, isn’t gouache just watercolor but opaque?';

'undefined';

'>>7139197
meaningless pose';

'>>7139197
Profoundly meaningful pose.';

'>>7139201
what does it mean?';

'>>7139203
It's the kind of meaning that so staggers the inner soul of man that it cannot be put into words by any mortal tongue. A subhuman wouldn't understand.';

'>>7139203
The pose conveys a relaxed and casual demeanor.';

'>>7139205
she doesnt look relaxed or casual at all
Have you ever done this pose when you were relaxed and casual?
Have you ever done this pose in general?
>i didnt because im not a WOMAN
have you ever seen a woman do this pose? In real life, on television, on the internet? If so were they casual and relaxed?';

'>>7139208
I imagine that I have, at some point in my life, sat on my knees while placing my hands on the ground behind me.';

'>>7139200
>>7139201
>>7139205
she is trying to attract chad, incels would never understand it';

'>>7139208
>poses have to only be those that are done regularly in real life!!!
i hope you never draw anything other than people standing upright and sitting i guess';

'>>7139208
this is the Pose women do, when their rent is due and they are desperate for money';

'Omg shut the fuck up about le meaningless poses and draw my nigga fuck off';

'>>7139211
no, the question was if you did it like its drawn in the picture
>>7139213
>regularly
i asked EVER
>>7139214
>>7139212
i could think of a thousand better poses for that situation';

'>>7139217
No one has ever sat like that in human history. Not even the photo ref anon used to draw the picture. It's literally physically impossible for someone to sit their knees while keeping their back upright with their arms.';

'>>7139142
>>7139151
Nice meaningless poses. No wonder that anon left.';

'>>7139219
you would be shocked how flexible Russian women are';

'>>7139220
nigga yo dick is meaningless';

'>>7139219
>Not even the photo ref
Photo refs can have meaningless poses
>It's literally physically impossible for someone to sit their knees while keeping their back upright with their arms
It's not about whether it's possible, the question is - is it meaningful';

'>>7139220
no no these poses are pretty meaningful, nice and relaxed, a hint of day dreaming, i could imagine a beautiful woman striking these poses in many scenarios, very meaningful!';

'>>7139229
based positive day dreaming anon fuck the haters';

'>MEANINGFUL
>DAY DREAM
WHAT A BUNCH OF VIRGINS LOL.
YOU LIKE IT BECAUSE THE GIRL SPREADS HER LEGS, INVITES YOU TO FUCK HER IN THE PUSSY.';

'>>7139241
This is a terrible drawing of "a woman who spreads her legs because she wants to be fucked", not even an E for effort';

'>>7139241
That's not what's happening in these photos, you are projecting anon
In fact those poses are just references, they would work better clothed (more meaningful)';

'>>7139219
>physically impossible for someone to sit their knees while keeping their back upright with their arms.
her back is not upright, maybe that is easier to see without the skirt';

'Hello everyone, lloking for the critque of this sketch.I feel like her right hand is kinda stiff, and her legs quite long. I'm mostly concerned about anatomy, but would love any kind of critique\advice. I know it's hard to judge when there's a clothes on figure, but please bear with me. Thank you.';

'>>7139268
she's resting her arm on her leg, but that leg is not supported by whatever she's sitting on, which makes this pose stiff as she's stiffening up to hold it
Likewise, her other arm is held just a few centimeters above both her leg and the surface of the box';

'Sleeping Beauty';

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z10bP9hl1k';

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgkKbFDArfA';

'>>7137148
heckin wholesome 100 :)';

'>thank someone for helping me
>some schizo copy's my post because he's upset
>my post gets deleted
fuck this shithole';

'>>7139385
big if true.';

'undefined';

'worked on this more since i woke up';

'bros
I've been doing the line exercise
but the fucking line gets thicker and thicker
is that all right?
also, the lines aren't 100% straight';

'>>7139471
also, do I HAVE to hold then pen at a 90 degree angle while doing this exercise?';

'>>7139471
actually, let me rephrase that
the line is not fucking straight
it's not curved, but it's not fucking straight and it bothers me';

'>>7139471
>>7139472
>>7139473
how do these lines look? shit, or alright?
I started "following the lines with my eyes" two lines before the message written for myself, I think the lines got better
this is hard, bros';

'fuck niggas
do I really need to do this shadows and perspective bullshit
I just want to draw cute anime girls, not do academic shit
I do not give a shit about academic shit';

'>>7139493
as a begfag i dont need shadows to know how 2 draw a person but if u want to draw people better u need 2 know how to draw shapes good and thats correlated to perspective, u dont need 2 get into architect level type of perspective but just beginner type lvl i guess, type "hide channel croquis" on yt and see how he starts his drawings!!!!';

'>>7139493
yes
they don't need to be 100% accurate, but you still need them';

'>>7139497
>>7139499
alright bros
my friend is an architect, I don't know how the fuck he does it
nice girl btw, very sexy proportions';

'>>7139539
>>7139539';

'>>7139047
when it has seven heads and ten horns it will, smart ass.';

'>>7139229
daydream my dick into your asshole
you want every day poses for many scenarios go to fucking deviantart';

'>>7136505
An anon said I should use reference images of actual people instead of 2000s 3D videogame characters. So here's my transition to doing so.

Proportions are off, but I might attempt this same reference later.';