'Great choice on op pic, anon';

'This page is less so of a study page and more of me trying to apply the things I've been studing.';

'>>7146397
Posting the same thing here

I feel like the more you study, the less "free" you begin to feel when you try to sketch things spontaneously from imagination again, like every stroke I'm about to make is gonna be wrong.';

'forgot to post this one, still going through Huston's book

>>7136975
thanks, your figure is really nice.';

'>>7146428
do you have the texture used for your background?';

'>>7146434
From Lane's Surface & Overlay Textures. Toned Paper (5) if I remember right, I just adjusted the saturation and value.
aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZpbGUvNDZ4U1FRcFQjYXFQUUNJbjNuUjk4aU5mckFwMEJ1WWhMWjJlM0pITEk3YW1BclF1bnlmdw';

'>>7146444
thanks, but uh..
what is that code?';

'>>7146455
It's a link to it, use a base64 decoder.';

'>>7146444
nta but these are a treat ty';

'>>7146458
oh, i see
thank you so much';

'>>7146403';

'>>7147849
The left is the reference';

'For whatever reason, it was a lot harder than the piece with Diogenes, but whatever. Not very happy with the result either, not happy at all.
I hope I learned something.
>>7146428
Good looking hands, mate.';

'>>7147850';

'bump';

'Other than using someone else's drawing, what should I keep in mind when trying to draw clothing?

And also, how do I draw plants fast?';

'>>7146428
Holy shit what brushes? That looks almost exactly like traditional';

'>>7151688
I used the ballpoint pen brush and one of the chalk brushes from Lane's Photoshop Master Pack. You can get them from here >>7134908';

'Sargent copy';

'undefined';

'>never settling for mediocrity
I definitely settled for mediocrity, at least to some extent, with this study. for the bigger portions I was more labored in my measure making, but with some of the smaller stuff I eyeballed it. I also did not go as far with the variation of darks as I could've; I almost entirely just used an HB (I know, I know). just wasn't feeling that amped to finish this one, maybe cus I'm busy with end-of-the-semester shite. took a little over 2 hours in total. also
>http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
doesn't work for me';

'>>7154174
bargues just seem like one of those things where the materials are really important for doing it correctly. as a normal pencil sketch, that foot looks great';

'>>7154191
thanks. and yeah, I should make the resolution for my next plate to try to use the materials as advised. I've done a few plates up to this point so I have a decent idea of the method, but my process is based on how this chick teaches it:
>https://youtu.be/Znr1OY-aHhM?si=8rbFP0Z7haE0CdS7
she uses charcoal but says graphite is fine. but she had a bunch of freshly sharpened sticks, which I have for HB pencils but didn't make use of them.';

'>>7152284
also did the exercise Huston suggested, exaggerating the core shadow and highlight.';

'>>7152284
i wasn't familiar with this painting, it seems very rare or under some copyright. it's also one of the worst sargent portraits i've seen, i'd recommend almost any other thing to study from.
you didn't really copy the drawing. you should focus more on accurate colors, values, and drawing. your edge control is non-existent, you're not matching light values, and the shapes are just wrong in a lot of places. you're copying the idea of his impressionism as noodly blobs of color and not the shapes and forms he's conveying (for example, the downturned plane between teh cheekbone and beard). focus more on accuracy of the drawing and the colors.
the charcoal drawings are good to study, if you can find larger scans of them
https://npg.si.edu/exhibition/john-singer-sargent-portraits-charcoal
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/John_Singer_Sargent#Drawings

stick to bigger brushes and don't worry about them being textures. hard round/flat/elliptical is what you should be using before playing with effect brushes';

'It's not still life again, but I did come across an artist with a nice collection of small oil paintings that I decided to study for the sake of colour. Not sure if it's the right idea, but what the hell.';

'>>7155015
Great colors friend

Who's the artist btw?';

'>>7154566
Thanks for the crit.
For context, this is the image I used as reference, from Huston's book. Usually I check for a higher quality image first but I forgot with this one. You're right, the one you posted would have been a lot better to study from. Although as you said it's kinda bad for a Sargent. I was a bit surprised to see him credited as the artist.

Reference aside, all of your critiques are spot on. I rushed through it, especially the drawing stage and the brushes weren't helping. For the next one I'll keep everything you said in mind.

His drawings are great, I'll definitely study them later. Also found this rip of his portrait drawing book if anyone else wants it. High-res but has that weird scanning/printing/compression effect on it if you zoom in.
aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci80dWdsaVR5YiNONWU0WDV0TjFpaWVseDZ0MV9lVzBB';

'It's not much, but better than nothing, for the sake of bump.

>>7155404
Thank you, it's Carol Marine.';

'Just me slowly going through Jack Hamm's book, thought I might as well post it here, since it's not like I can post it anywhere else.';

'For whatever reason, yellow-orange colours seem to me to be much more complex than others.
At most I don't like the amount of extra strokes I make, books say do as little as possible, and here I'm moving the brush up and down thousands of times.';

'>>7146444
Hey this is great, cheers anon.';

'undefined';

'Hola Amigos

Beautiful work, everyone';

'undefined';

'bump';

'>>7162031
thanks anon';

'what do you guys think?';

'An unfinished Zodd studie from Berserk I did 10 days ago I think.

I started master studies three weeks ago maybe, haven't made many of them. I was the guy who posted the two Frazetta ones last thread.';

'>>7162665';

'>>7149448
>>7147850
>>7147849
Try using something with opacity, it'll give you some blending';

'Ok, I'm pretty lost right now, I'm doing studies, gesture drawing and I'm making some of my own stuff. But I checked the recommended ressources and Master Studies are front and center. Should I slow down on other stuff and really focus on them ?';

'>>7162463
really cute anon, good play between desaturated greens and the brighter reds';

'>>7162463
this is brilliant, anon. I love it

>>7162665
good work anon. The more you do them, the better. Visual information overlaps between studies, and past knowledge cascades onto new

>>7162905
The truth is, as long as you draw from reference, you will improve. You need to be seeing things, either in the real world, photos, or art, and that needs to get into your art somehow.

My opinion is that master copies are the foundation for your art technique, but the real world is where you expand your visual library. There are lots and lots and lots of professional artists who would disagree with me though. Listen to what the pros have to say, and try out different ways of studying for yourself.';

'There was a higher res scan of pic but like a dumbass i grabbed the first one i saw on some site and went with it instead.

Rushed the face and didn't clean up some mistakes because i really wanted to move on from this.

I need to draw more.';

'>>7162954
>good work anon. The more you do them, the better. Visual information overlaps between studies, and past knowledge cascades onto new

Thanks you

I've got a question about gesture. I've watched Finch's video on gesture tips and drawing the Marvel way. When I'm doing gesture, should I bother with the body type of the guy I'm drawing or not ? Is it comparable to a study ? Should I focus on drawing the muscle etc or just trying to understand how the shapes connects between them and changing them as I want to help me understand ?

First drawing, tried gesture but I think i've complicated it, second memory drawing.

Ref below';

'>>7163651';

'>>7163651
>>7163653
The gesture drawing part of the David Finch roadmap definitely is the most confusing part. It does not help that every artist has their own definition of gesture. "Gesture", the way David Finch describes it, is not really gesture. It's more like mannequinization. He wants you to practice breaking down the body into simple forms, like cylinders and spheres. The goal is to not only capture the basic body type, but also the proportions and the action of the figure. This cylinder figure is the base on which you build the muscles and finishing details. Loomis' mannikin in FDFAIW is teaching you similar things.

Personally, the way I learned gesture was from Vilppu and Michael Mattesi, and it involved capturing the flow, force, and thrust of the figure. In other words, the pose. The difficulty here, is that it's really hard to keep your proportions accurate when you start your drawing with rhythms. However, if you combine Vilppu's way of figure drawing, with the accurate master copies + memory drawings that Dave teaches, I think you will end up with the best combination of both gestural movement and also accuracy in proportions.

Vilppu: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Fr4y1q7nK/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

The further along I get, the more grateful I am for the things I learned from Vilppu. Yes, my observational ability and proportions were weak for a long time, but in return, I feel like I got a really good sense of rhythm and form from his teachings.

It's up to you, though, to study however you'd like. You don't even have to do gesture drawings if you don't want to. Sorry if everything I wrote just confused you even more.

>>7163287
I like this anon';

'>>7163708
Thanks you very much and no, I wasn't confused with your post. In fact, it helped me understand things much more.

I think for now I won't try gesture. I did a little of that few months ago and I felt disgusted by doing it for the only reason it was trash (accuracy problem). I had the feeling of wasting my time kek. Will retry this when I'll be more confident and a little more experienced.

I will continue with mannequinization of the body and developping shape consciousness.

Pic related, a unfinished studie of Guts I made monday or tuesday. Should I try to shade or I should focus on drawing only the body without clothes and shading ?';

'I haven't done a single piece in 4 days, it feels terrible. But then I looked back at what I'd done in a month and it felt even worse. I swear it would be easier if studying didn't make me feel like useless shit.

>>7158282
That's beautiful, Anon, I like your brush strokes and how they make the whole picture, I wish I could do something like that. For whatever reason I always go for the biggest brush possible. Do you have any other work to share? Would be nice to see them.

>>7163287
>>7162954
Great figures!';

'>>7162954
Nice figures';

'>>7165550
>I like your brush strokes and how they make the whole picture
>For whatever reason I always go for the biggest brush possible

It's funny because clear shapes and stroke efficiency are exactly the things I lack and I like ur work for. The grass is always greener on the other side I guess?

>Do you have any other work to share

My output entirely depends on how I feel on a given day so I don't think I have anything exactly like this, but here's my small gallery, maybe you'll find anything interesting there
https://dad.gallery/users/5364';

'Anyway, for some reason I thought I could make a study of a photo, 3pic, but in the end it turned out to be complete shit, so I gave up halfway through. Both colour and texture got me completely lost, so yeah, it looks like meh. Gonna live with this shame forever.
Some days I just can't see colours, shapes, proportions and so on. Not like I can on better days though.

>>7165841
Looks like your output is great, just as your level.
And so it is your picture in OP.';

'Here's a command you can run to pull URLs for a bunch of master art if you've got a Linux/UNIX based bash shell. Need to install 'jq' first if you don't have it --

for i in $(curl --location --request POST 'https://api.artic.edu/api/v1/artworks/search?limit=10' --header 'Content-Type: application/json' --data-raw '{
"q": "$WHAT TO SEARCH FOR, ie: cats",
"query": {
"term": {
"is_public_domain": true
}
}
}' -s | jq -r '.data[].api_link'); \
do for j in $(curl -s "$i" | jq -r '.data.image_id'); \
do echo https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/$j/full/843,/0/default.jpg; \
done; done

Produces output like this:

https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/e8e67721-bbb1-d007-82bd-c430ea73db70/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/e1c9e502-1632-828f-f893-b166b6cc17d9/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/fe394433-14ae-89e0-136f-31cbdb390771/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/752c8b28-5873-2ddb-f7cd-6ea9e4766195/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/86706756-2cf8-6a7c-58cc-90efaa4db124/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/c7a1688c-8a21-8eab-086d-3537b1506705/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/07b26469-589f-e3e0-dd58-be1d4daad30d/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/4e2df5e5-10ff-9b80-db1c-419895f1054f/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/91dea26d-71c5-c5b2-19e3-feb5bcecb5bc/full/843,/0/default.jpg
https://www.artic.edu/iiif/2/ec366a5f-e152-b4eb-3822-6473f644a21b/full/843,/0/default.jpg';

'Haven't posted in this thread before. I've been posting in /beg/ for a few months.

Been drawing since late September last year, have made lots of progress but am struggling with consistency and need to seriously sort my sleep routine out as it's affecting my ability to draw.

Have been trying to get into a routine of doing figure studies, but so far I struggle to do one and here is what I have done today.

( I have had a few days where I did multiple, but I tend to get impatient so my quality suffers).

I still seriously struggle with drawing toes, fingers are getting easier but still look quite poor. I can't seem to consistently apply what I learn to things (sometimes I'll draw fingers as cylinders, other times just outlining them like I did here), and on some days it feels like my skills decline a lot, while on other days they feel better.

I dunno if that's just what happens when you're learning at first, as you haven't fully developed your technique so inconsistencies will occur for a long while at first.';

'>>7167864
We’re competing against Japanese dudes who have had the privilege of drawing since they were five, maybe even before that + private ateliers + private tutors + 10 years of experience by the time they’re 16 or some shit, so you’ve got to give yourself more time to develop. You said you started last September so that’s longer than most people would be willing to stick with this cursed thing called art to see if it would pan out or not - as long as you keep drawing (and ideally practicing a certain way and enough) you’re gonna make it

You’re already picking up very basic 3D forms, the key now is to keep accumulating more of these: more forms / shapes, with which we can describe the human figure with. I will at least ask, have you tried copying plates from Morpho / other artists / books?

We can only learn so much from doing raw figure drawing from a photographic reference all the time, because the photographs themselves do not inherently contain every possible combination of curves / lines which are the most useful for describing the human body with, hence you will find many anons here who have gone through and copied a lot of Vilppu / Bridgman / Morpho for example, because we have to get those shapes and forms from somewhere, but getting it from a photograph won’t work until we got it from someone else who has already distilled that information down into forms that actually do work. It’s reinventing the wheel blah blah blah

Do you live in a situation at all where you can allot more time to drawing? I’m a neet and I sleep polyphasically to try to draw / paint / art as much as humanly possible. And even so, I haven’t had some epic explosion of improvement because that’s how hard it is to make it in art with literally zero talent. I can do a memory repetition up to 10+ times before I feel like I’ve learned anything from doing a copy. Some people can get to a certain level but never push it hard enough to break through to the next stage where they make it.';

'>>7167933
I'll have to do Vilppu and Bridgman eventually. Maybe I should at this point.

Currently yes, I am a NEET. Issue is I need a decent amount of sleep and sleep at the right times, issue is I tend to sleep later than I should and things like warm weather and stress can cause problems. I recently began gradually exercising more, since I was super out of shape, which may make me a bit more tired at first but it is gradually making me feel better.

I have occasionally drawn half decent (for a newbie) stylized/anime type drawings but they aren't too good yet.';

'>>7167961
Neet-life is indeed harder than most people would realize because of how repetitive the routine is, which itself can be extremely mentally taxing. It's like being in prison. We have to get up and do the same thing everyday. But I have to make it. People are counting on me.

Drawing is so deceptively simple, that it’s very easy to lose patience with oneself / lose hope / lose sanity / lose faith in the process, but we have to make it.

A lot of crazy spiritual / mental / philosophical / consciousness (I mean shit, it’s whatever you prefer or want to call it) shifts have to occur to really make it in art after a certain age, and even within a certain timeframe. I’ve dedicated most of my waking hours to speedrunning art, the rest I just hope and pray for the best.

Well, best of luck, anon. Speedrunning drawing / painting is one of the most insane / brutal things I’ve attempted so far in this lifetime, but I feel like it’s a worthy goal, one that I must accomplish before I die, even if I achieve nothing else.

(P.S. I know my answers in /beg/ /int/ are normally very short / very terse, but I never mean anything negative by it; I just try to include everybody who draws no matter what)';

'>>7168023
My motivation is just so I can draw whatever's in my head, make money with it, and not have to spend way too much money commissioning artists which really does drain your finances after a while and just leaves you feeling dirty on the inside.

Tomorrow I'll probably do a figure drawing and then try to draw something fun. I appreciate your advice, and I can tell you still have a long way to go, but I wish you luck.';

'one day I will get gestures. even though these look like max 5 minute gestures they take almost an hour for no reason at all';

'Still suffering
>>7146403
>>7147849
>>7147850
>>7149448
>>7167933
>>7168023
Still suffering

>>7162700
I do bro, I just suck that much';

'>>7168023
>Neet-life is indeed hard
lol, fuck off';

'I think I spend too much time, too little actually, doing studies with texture brushes, I don't have many of them and I only use 2 99% of the time and yet. So I decided it would be nice to do some still lifes with a regular hard round brush.
It was a simple subject, side view, no details or texture, but it's better than nothing and it was kinda fun and quick, by my standards. But I feel like most of the time I just move the pen around aimlessly and then it somehow makes shapes.
Sorry for the tl:dr's, they help me vent my frustration.

>>7168057
>My motivation
Personally, I think motivation sucks ass, it doesn't last long and doesn't help much, it fades away in a flash and leaves you with nothing. Cold, emotionless perseverance is much better, at least for me.';

'>>7146428 >>7168210
One day I’ll figure out textured brushes
>>7149436 >>7167805
Copying another artist's finished piece means a lot of problems we don't have to solve for ourselves (when doing something from a photograph / from life by ourselves i.e. not copying)
>>7152284 >>7153948 >>7154174 >>7154532 >>7160524
Simple primitives / still life first
>>7155015
These are nice
>>7157719
Would like to see your imagination work / any finished pieces
>>7157977
That's the shit I mentioned in the previous thread; it's inevitable
>>7158282
OP
>>7158443 >>7162130 >>7162463 >>7162954
Soul
>>7162665 >>7163287 >>7163651 >>7163746
Thousands of these
>>7165550
Such is art
>>7165837
Glad to still see you around
>>7168067
Soul

Yet another grayscale study (originally posted in beg int, my home thread)';

'>>7168695';

'>>7168695
>Copying another artist's finished piece means a lot of problems we don't have to solve for ourselves.
I think you're gimping yourself.

>>7147849
>>7147850
>>7149448
>>7168095
Especially if your taste in references is this bad.';

'>>7162907
>>7162954
>>7168695
Thank you for your kind words!';

'These are my studies from yesterday. I think I'm beginning to understand how to think in more of a painting way instead of seeing everything as lines';

'>>7168067
I think it's about time I learn how to draw hands.';

'There's certainly a certain appeal to a simple hard round brush that I didn't see before, not like I do now, but it's a bit clearer to me. These two pieces are by no means refined, but I had a lot of fun and now I feel that applying rough colours and finding shapes is more important and harder than the rendering that comes afterwards.
On the other hand, I feel like I'm doing shit just to avoid studying books.

>>7168067
>>7168981
I like your gestures, I hope you're both the same man, lel, they look nice and fluid, at least to me. Mine look like total shit and I can't just get "that" feeling. I have tons of problems getting simple S and C curves to look the way I want them to.

>>7168695
>Copying another artist's finished piece means a lot of problems we don't have to solve for ourselves
I agree, I don't know how to simplify or omit things, combined with the lack of theory and practice, it makes certain pieces too hard for me to understand.
I just hate to stop studying halfway.';

'>>7168999
This is from "Still Life Phase I" of the Watts Atelier courses page:

"one object rendered in each of the 3 palettes: Burnt Umber Pick-Out, Burnt Umber White, and Phthalo Blue Black and White..."

"By this time you may be tiring a bit of the limited monochromatic palettes. Remember, repetition is the mother of skill.

Big emphasis on this line- ***Jeff himself used each palette he is introducing for at least six months to a year.***

It seems then that each particular hue on the color palette is almost like its own training block that has to be considered separately from others - it makes sense that we have to spend an extremely long time just being exposed to each color for us to develop a certain sensitivity in being able to control it and paint with it effortlessly, and even more time being needed to do the same things artists are doing when they put together a still life in their particular unique way (Carol Marine in your case with your studies, with shit getting even more advanced for things like an anatomically correct portrait)

So when we try to do something straight from photograph, and even with trying to wrangle multiple palettes no less, I think that can explain the large skill gap between copying a painting somebody has already done, versus trying to do what they're doing, for ourselves (from a photograph)';

'Hey, is Bridgman's "Complete Guide to Drawing from Life" a book a beginner (second week trying to learn how to draw) can follow? I tried following the first drawing and came up with picrel but I'm not sure if I'm actually understanding and learning or just (badly) copying the step-by-step.... maybe that's the whole goal of the book?
I'm sure my question sounds rushed but I don't see the point on following a book if 90% of its content will fly over my head.';

'>>7169153
Yeah, there are things you need to know before you can tackle bridgman.

finch is the guy who originated the Bridgman routine in the first place. Here's his full roadmap to drawing:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/';

'>>7168999
But that chick painting is a soft round. Hard rounds have constant 100% opacity.';

'>>7169203
chink painting*';

'>>7169203
false. the difference between a hard brush and a soft brush is the brush stamps edge and not the opacity.';

'>>7169051
>>7168023
Hi anon, please do this: https://youtu.be/RXb-Y_kz2aU

Do nothing but this for 3 hours a day, for the next month. This is the fastest way to "speedrun" art. Keep drawing and redrawing the same reference image, over and over again, until you can nail it perfectly. (You have have to draw the same thing 100 times. No matter.) Only then, move on from that ref. You want to get to the point where your drawings line up perfectly on top of the reference image you're studying. I recommend studying anime still frames or manga panels you like.

In a month, you will get so so good, but only if you stick to this.

Stop painting, just work on drawing for now. I promise you this will upgrade your painting skills enormously

>>7167864
previous advice applies to you too, if you want to take it

>>7168067
>>7168981
your work is really nice, don't worry so much!

>>7168904
masterful

>>7168999
>>7168210
holy hell you're good

>>7165550
>>7165837
thanks frens. Good work from you guys as well

>>7163746
im glad i could help you. The David Finch way of doing gestures is indeed better';

'>>7169217
I can't get the hang of drawing anything with a variable opacity/hard round brush. Shit sucks.';

'>>7168764
This is mine too

>>7169341
I suppose you wouldn't believe me if I told you that's what I've been trying to do this entire time.

I’ll let you know how it goes. It took me 4 years however, to produce one animation which was anywhere near the quality of say, Yeero’s first animation he had ever uploaded to the internet (on his old Tumblr account), so I feel like 1.5 years isn’t enough time for me to learn art fully either (or even to any decent or acceptable extent); if there’s a bell curve of people with talent / learning speed, I’m no doubt on the far, far, left side of that bell curve. I’ll try my best though and let you know how that shit goes. Odds are you’ll be disappointed though. (Hell it was about seven years before I even grokked wrestling, though that’s another story altogether)

My mind is literally resistant to learning. I’m certain most people who have already made it have the drop on me (started before me) by 10+ years, but I try my best nevertheless, for however puny of a time that 1.5 years of drawing mileage might be.

I just like drawing.';

'>>7169485
https://streamable.com/xtrdmf
https://streamable.com/t7uxws
https://streamable.com/pa8owl

Are you doing it like this? I see you only drawing things once and moving on. For me personally, I draw every ref several times. (for my real study) It's either this, or it's Cognitive Drawing. The figure drawings I post are just easy warmups, you shouldn't take that as my real study.

You shouldn't move on from a reference until you've nailed it perfectly. I mean perfectly. I will study one image for 2-3 days sometimes. The point is not necessarily to memorize the one image, but to learn what the proportions are for the head. When I do this process on a ref, whenever I draw heads from imagination, from other angles, my proportions are way sharper and more nuanced.

Just start with the head shape like I did in my examples. Then, when you've got that nailed, add in the eyes. Then the nose.

Or, you can do it like Ethan Becker and do all of it at once. But I cannot stress it more that you need to get it "perfect". Nailing one reference image perfectly will raise your ability to copy everything else.

I'm not giving you bs advice that I don't take myself. pic related are my studies from today. As rough as those sketches look, they line up with the ref 95%. I will continue studying this ref tomorrow, until I get to 99%. This study will dramatically raise my ability to draw front facing heads forever. And an artist needs only to learn the front, 3/4, and side view, and they can draw heads forever. That's all you need.';

'>>7169509
dont bother with this retard he won't bother doing it, he'd much rather shit out 50 garbage drawings along with mass replying in two different generals now';

'>>7169668
I wish that cunt would stop shitting up this general and stick to /beg/.';