'They see which way the wind is blowing.';

'We already have three AI bait threads. Give it a rest';

'>>7152307
That they're irrelevant? I guess they're desperately trying to cling onto the 'current thing' to claw their way back to relevancy?';

'>>7152310
When they tweet human art, they only get 10-12k views. When they tweet AI, they get 400k+ views.';

'>>7152298
>Give AI the simplest fucking prompt: make a man sweating, considering whether to push the big red button
>The retardgorithm spits out a machine with 4 buttons and a joystick-button inbred, none are the same size or have proper spacing
>The explodey background lines bend on the right, and the table doesn't even know which perspective it wants to be in
And deviantshart considered this piece worth promoting, the remaining garbage on their site must look fucking grim.';

'you guys need to stop looking at deviantcunt and actually look to the nerds tinkering with SD animation over on twitter.';

'>>7152298
Jews
Literally';

'>Multiple ai bait threads
So... I guess this means something bad happens with the AI industry recently eh?';

'>>7152375
>the nerds tinkering with SD animation over on twitter.
Such as? AI in animation is a bit more interesting to me than the generic generated slop that OP posted.';

'>>7152393
There was that viral post by an art director who basically blasted AI bros, and AI, as being incompetent and not fit for use in production - that's all I can think of. If that's what got them panicking, it's pretty funny.';

'>>7152393
Probably for how these shills work';

'>>7152396
@pom_I_moq is the only account I recall off the top of myh head, but there's a bunch floating around';

'>>7152308
I make them to get out of having to draw.';

'Have you guys check deviantard lately? I hate AI but that site is so shitty I can't even recommend AI shill to go there anymore.
AI running rampant over there it's not just real artists anymore that is losing, apparently everyone including AItard it self can lose together.
At this point I think DA shilling AI shit just so at the very least they can have traffic even if it is meaningless.';

'>>7152399
Link to the post?';

'>>7152412
>It all looks like cheap generated AI slop
The tech looks interesting, and the idea that artists could 'animate' just by throwing a few of their drawings into the program is cool, but Christ that guy lacks visual taste. I see too many overly shiny, pixar looking, overly detailed, pieces of shit to be impressed by any of this.

I've seen more interesting looking AI stuff from the early days of it than most of what we're getting now.
The most interesting AI animations I've seen were done by actual artists using their own drawings.';

'>>7152380
This';

'>>7152393
/ic/ is the last bastion of anti-AI sentiment on 4chan';

'>>7152437
Nah, most boards just quarantine them AI spergs in their own general threads, and make rules about not having AI in any other thread.
Take a look at /co/, there's a requests thread, but they don't want AI. They post plenty of art, but they don't want AI images outside of the AI general.
Those generals seem to only have like 5 dudes spamming in them.

There should really be an AI only board, so none of us have to suffer.';

'>>7152448
They literally don't, all generals I use are full of AI garbage';

'>>7152448
I constantly see threads with an AI image as the op and if you call it out people dogpile you. Also generals becoming more and more infected with it, then of course there's the coomer threads. People have became indifferent to it which is the problem';

'>>7152450
>>7152455
I'm just scrolling through /co/ now (which I haven't done in a bit) and it seems the same?

>I constantly see threads with an AI image as the op and if you call it out people dogpile you.
I'm looking at an almost dead thread now where someone is doing just that, and not being dogpiled. It seems the OP is a known and disliked AI poster.

But perhaps I'm just more optimistic than the both of you anons.';

'>>7152477
I can't speak for /co/ I'm just speaking for /a/ and /v/, probably worst boards but still.';

'>>7152481
You guys are lucky for having fast moving boards. /ic/ was handed over to the trolls and if you dare to say something, expect a warning or ban for ""trolling""
Also, remember that some of the mods are niggers and sjw faggots';

'>>7152484
/ic/ has been better than most with self-moderating by telling these faggots to fuck off. But of course people can't resist bait threads, they never deserve genuine responses though. Sometimes AI threads actually do get deleted, maybe when a mod pops in once a week';

'>>7152484
Wtf are you talking abo';

'>>7152498
>But of course people can't resist bait threads
You are spot on. I hate bait, on the same note, I also hate people bitting it "ironically" for that epic one liner at the troll. Ironical attention STILL IS attention and that added to the genuine attention is fucking bad. Half of the threads wouldn't be on the catalog right now if anons just reported and moved on.';

'>>7152515
I hat';

'>>7152428
he's a developer, not an artist of any sort or even an art prompter, so don't expect too much.';

'>>7152535
Tha';

'>>7152455
The AIfags just want free porn';

'>>7152591
porn was already free';

'>>7152455
Samefagging and extreme defensiveness about their "hobby" and "creations". Remember that it takes zero effort for them to get hundreds of images to spam later. My observation is Aifags are usually in their 30s-40s with no kids.';

'>>7152437
Not true, /tg/ hates them and quickly tells proompters to return to their containment thread.';

'>>7152399
Who?';

'>>7152425
Picrel at least makes the site useable for me, but I'm sure you're not wrong';

'>>7152658
there are still some AI pics that slip through with that setting turned on but yeah, that makes DA unusable';

'>>7152662
useable*';

'>>7152425
They could unfuck the website if they want traffic. The only use they have now is picture dumping ground and commission middleman.';

'>>7152298
I personally don't mind AI, but the pro and anti AI grifters pisses me off. Plus, it's fucking everywhere';

'>>7152681
Yeah, good luck finding any legit picture or photo on Google now.';

'>>7152687
I have my workarounds, but it shouldn't be used so often';

'>>7152688
>but it shouldn't be used so often
why not?';

'>>7152647
Feng Zhu did make a video about that but I'm not sure if anon means it was him in particular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTj1Y4JW-KI
Basically, Feng says serious companies can't use AI output as it doesn't produce working design concepts, these problems still have to be solved by competent people.';

'>>7152658
>>7152662
The site was unusable long before it became an AI mecca, Eclipse completely killed it.';

'>>7152637
>30s-40s with no kids
Thank God';

'>>7152318
>Bots attract other bots
Nice narrative.';

'>>7152426
>>7152647
>>7152796
Nah, I was talking about a text post, but I wasn't having much luck finding it (despite it being posted here and being talked about in videos). Finally found the thing: https://greenwire.tumblr.com/post/748555304896167936

It's nothing to amazing, but it shows that AI bros are lazy and unprofessional at least.';

'The easiest justification for the destruction of the Zionist regime is the existence of Deviantart.';

'>>7152899';

'>>7152928
>they prompt
>they can't take crits
>their whole m.o. is just "haha art is so easy if i use the machine i will be a pro lol i'll just send generated images and then they'll hire me!"
>their magic box can't even generate the same image twice
>they can't even fix mistakes
I swear, prompters are just delusional but this was honestly what i personally expected for things to go.

I'm pretty sure ai generation will hit a pretty hard wall, if it didn't already.
Just two more years, am i right?';

'>>7152947
The silliest part is that in-painting is a thing, so they could have made changes like she asked, but were too incompetent even when it comes to AI image generation.
Art jobs aren't just a matter of drawing, they're client interactions and meeting the client's requirements and expectations, which these guys couldn't.';

'>>7152928
Literally pic related. Life, once again, imitates art.

>>7152947
It's going to get a lot worse, as a lot of the images these AI models are being trained on are, themselves, AI generated.
You know how one bit of advice given to art noobs is to not religiously copy anyone, or you'll start picking up their mistakes and bad habits? Yeah, imagine that on an industrial level. Then you have to factor in Big Tech trying to a) Ensure only they can make AI, and b) Ensure their AI's are compliant with their SocJus politics (read: Lobotomized.) What this means is you won't just get "Garbage in, garbage out." You're gonna get:
>Garbage in
>Garbage processing
>Garbage out, fed right back into the machine.

Generally, not looking good for proomptbros.';

'>>7152947
It's funny because it's not actually hard to do the things the director asked them to do if you're competent with AI, but guess what skills the prompters need to be competent and able to do it? The same skills that an artist has.
It's easier to train an artist to use AI than it is to teach traditional art skills to a prompt monkey.';

'>>7152801

True. They must have hired the wrong management team because who exactly were they trying to compete with at the time of the change?';

'>>7152310
DA has been irrelevant for ages. ArtStation is a much worse case. The supposed premier platform for professionals sells out completely to jeet AI slop for a quick buck in less than a year. Destroys the site, destroys the community, deals years worth of damage to the idea of having a large professional/enthusiast platform. Two years later AI is still jeet slop and it’s clear all the destruction wasn’t worth the couple of cents made off it but the damage is done.';

'>>7152970
>Garbage in
>Garbage processing
>Garbage out, fed right back into the machine.
This is not even mentioning the images fed in that are now using nightshade and other AI poisoning tools.';

'>>7152515
On the other hand, what is there to even talk about on this board?
>you say something
>you get nothing but insults
>you crit
>you get told to pyw
>you talk about art
>you get told to pyw and insulted
>you try to have a discussion
>you get shitty bad faith arguments which only degenerate in the one disagreeing with you simply throwing insults and projections or damage control like some unironical npc
>go in the generals
>it's either drama or circlejerking
>say something that isn't suited for normies and tourists
>get accused of trolling
>give advice to an anon who some kiddies have beef with
>get insulted
>you ignored them
>they just fill up the thread with the same insults over and over and reply to themselves if no one replies
>say a word that triggers some fag
>get accused of thought crimes
and
>no one wants to talk about anything except porn and comment on porn or drama about ecelebs and ecelebs
>or shill their blogs and suck each other's feminine dicks
>or damage control any wrongthink barely directed in the general direction of adult content
everywhere you go it's the same thing

Is a nigga supposed to go commit terrorism just to talk about his hobby?';

'>>7152970
>Yeah, imagine that on an industrial level.
It's moreso the images start to stagnate rather than some sort of "the hands get worse and worse" (though they do) - you should read some of the research papers before lambasting with such authority.

>>7152992
>nightshade
Was solved weeks after it was released.

Typical /ic/ mouth breathers have next to no understanding of synthography.';

'>>7152990
So why doesn't someone make a new art hub with rules against posting AI?';

'>>7153020
tl:dr network effect entrenches existing networks and makes it harder for new ones to get traction, even if they are provably better in every way.';

'>>7152999
And? What were you expecting? Humanity?
>insert obligatory insult here';

'>>7153017
>Was solved weeks after it was released.
And are all people who are making their own dataset using this solution? Possibly not? Then my point stands.

>synthography.
lol. Get the fuck outta here.';

'>>7152298
Their main audience are asspies, narcissists and degenerates. of course they promote AI, because without it, these groups would never bother to create anything. more post = more traffic and engagement for their site.
Also the groups mentions generally seems to not have growth mindsets. As in "I am good the way I am" or "You either good at it or not", the idea that if you put down time to learn something will yield results eventually is alien to them.';

'>>7153020
>>7153029
there is also the issue is that if you want to have any art platform/site that at least can manage to stay afloat, you want to have non-artists on it
Why?
Artists are primary producers and enjoyers of art, but not consumers/buyers.
Artist upload their content but don't make the site any money, on the contrary, they are a net negative.
So, ultimately, you need non-artist-consumers to at least have the traffic to host sites, or some other form of monetization that uses artists as a means to the end of making money with the platform to keep the platform alive.
Which results in consumers dictating what kind of art gets shared and artists who want to make a buck, bowing down to the market.
>against AI posting
That would require more money to either have jannies/mods checking that stuff out and if ai gets spammed, there is no automatic way to stop it. Not to mention people reporting it as AI, which you can safely assume they won't do, since artists drop their works with links to their shit and fuck off, they don't actually use and lurk the platforms the post their art in.

In conclusion; if a new art site would appear, what would happen with it?
Worst case scenario; "AI and porn"
Slightly less bad scenario; "porn and fetish accounts like DA"
Most probable scenario: "Site is dead after one week because everyone is on twitter" i.e. bluesky';

'>site is literally called DEVIANTart
>/ic/: "NOOOOO, NOT LIKE THAT! YOU MUST CONFORM TO OUR NARROW DEFINITION OF ART"';

'>illiterate porn addict thinks deviant stands for sexual deviancy
>instead of deviation; something that is different from the norm
>like the site was intended at first for non-professional artists
>"OMG ITS LITERALLY A FETISH SITE BECAUSE ITS IN THE NAME! FUCKING PURITANS"';

'>>7153092
>>instead of deviation; something that is different from the norm
>>like the site was intended at first for non-professional artists
wait does this not describe ai tho kek';

'>>7153042
>humanity?
I just want to talk about art...';

'>>7153114
>yeah but what about copypasting pictures? hehe i am very smart kek and lmao
jeez man this is just tiring';

'>>7153116
Yeah. I know.
It's okay. I too am a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies surrounded by people I hate and am addicted to hurting on a daily basis.
All that lets some air out of the balloon. Just don't forget to draw, okay? Drawing loves you. Drawing needs you.';

'>>7153052
>And are all people who are making their own dataset using this solution? Possibly not?
This sentence is incomprehensible and furthers my view of your lack of understanding. Could you elaborate on this?';

'>>7153133
Haha sure.
>And are all people who are making their own dataset
The people who are using images from the internet to train an AI
>using this solution?
The solution you spoke about. The solution around the nightshade poisoning. That solution. Are they using that solution to stop the nightshade poisoning their custom dataset?';

'>>7153148
>Are they using that solution to stop the nightshade poisoning their custom dataset?
Yes but also no because nightshade and the like turn the "real" images into shit and takes so much to run so no one actually uses it.
>nb4 they updated it and it got better
Yeah, still no one uses it.';

'>>7152298
In 2017 deviantart was sold to wix group, a jewish israeli company';

'Who are the leading figureheads and spokesman of ai and its potential to replace all creative jobs? all jews';

'>>7152298
AI art is ass';

'>>7153195
They keep talking about it but they’re sitting back waiting for someone else to make a full length AI film before investing.';

'>>7153199
>before investing.
Actually, they are investing, but so far none of the AI companies are profitable. There's actually some good amount of speculation about AI collapsing because of it.
Though it wouldn't shock me if the hardware costs go down quickly enough for things to turn around.

But yeah, I'm not seeing the biggest advocates for AI in media actually producing anything with it.';

'>>7153202
There's no way for the costs to go down at this point without quantum computing, an advancement that would revolutionize society to a much greater degree than the Belle Delphine dressed as anime girls machine ever could, or a lack of speculative interest. Nvidia has actually done a remarkable job of not going insane with this new windfall, which is good for it. In fact, with the new load of AI content drowning out the clearweb, it's gotten to the point where I would probably say that large internet platforms are now completely unviable as a concept.';

'>>7153295
>large internet platforms
What do you mean?';

'>>7153202
>but so far none of the AI companies are profitable
The big companies that allow everyone to use for free and can shoulder the cost maybe
Midjourney/Novel AI is definitely making money
especially Midjourney';

'>>7153302
Stuff like Reddit being the only forum, DeviantArt being the only gallery, Tumblr being the only blog platform, and YouTube existing. These large online platforms cannot surface anything worthwhile even with algorithms, because the content farms will always crowd out any genuine expression even after your algorithms stomp that out to begin with. Generative AI just makes that worse because it's always trawling what's successful and mimicking it, thus killing the stylistic movement. Microtrends are not an evolution of fashion; they're a symptom of a disease.

The solution to this is curation and syndication. Platforms should chiefly show content that people ask for and that they connect to, not try to take money or rent off of the creators involved. They're a common carrier and a service, not a business made for profit extraction because that is in and of itself a perverse incentive. They also lack the ability to discern what's good, which should always remain in the hands of reviewers and influencers, though I hate the word. You can't trust a company or a machine to recommend you something in the same way you can a person because they cannot be held accountable in the same ways.';

'>>7153319
>Midjourney/Novel AI is definitely making money
Go and get their financial statements for us to read, Anon. Because I'm almost certain they're not, and AI companies are mostly being propped up by FAGMAN, venture capital, and government grants. The Biden administration especially will throw money at your flagging company if you say something along the lines of, "The Chinese are poised to overtake us in [technology] within the next year!"
See: The CHIPS act, which was basically corporate welfare in a pretty wrapping.';

'>>7153202
startup scams for boomers aren't "investing"
it's the same shit as nft/blockchain shit, a million startups popped up "revolutionizing" literally every ledger on the planet with le epic cutting edge blockchain technology to scam boomers out of money
every fucking database and excel sheet had 5 startups copy pasting the form and putting it on a blockchain, then telling boomers this is the new technological leap and they should get in on it early, then putting around for a couple of years before fucking off with the money because spoiler alert, nobody needs a blockchain for their registries
exact same shit is happening now, boomers are literally buying a 19kb system prompt for thousands of dollars because they think it's "ai" and they need to keep up with technology for their 3 employees business';

'>>7153321
>The solution to this is curation and syndication.
Curation is the biggest problem with the aislop. Investing money/effort into creating a nice cover illustration (for example) used to be social proof that at least *somebody* thought the project was good enough to spend money on. Now sloppers can create low-res thumbnails that aren't obviously slop at first glance (if they bother to avoid the default ai look) so we have lost a useful way to navigate the sea of trash.

I think you're right that this trash will destroy the internet, if robust anti-ai watermarking laws aren't passed soon to filter it out.

If I get recommened a video with an ai thumbnail on youtube, I block the channel.';

'>>7153372
That's exactly why curation will take off again. People have to communicate with each other instead of allowing algorithms to decide what they see. If you're going to be an independent artist making a comic for other people to see, it's a lot better if you go to a forum of people who talk to others about that stuff or a reviewer who will talk about it to their audience. Reviewers and blogs will come back, and a people-centric indexing will power it. There's no other way to prevent this kind of poison.';

'>>7153403
The optimism is strong with this one.';

'>>7153403
Bold of you to assume people will actually do that instead of just being plugged into the social media algorithm to be fed a constant stream of mediocrity, like that time traveller hooked up to the heroin-o-matic 5000.';

'>>7152307
Ah yes, deviant art. As everyone knows, they are the picture of keeping up with the times.';

'>>7152425
dA is the only popular social art site where interactions are hard to bot and in turn it lets us see even objectively good AI art get less than 10 faves while sanic recolors get hundreds.

But the retards invested on implementing their own AI gacha machine so they have to pretend AI is popular while more and more artists and their fans close their accounts.';

'Even if we go back to more humane websites, AI will inevitably kill the internet by producing so much shit server hosting costs will ballon beyond the pockets of anyone but conglomo.';

'>>7152448
The /co/ request thread is ruled with an iron fist by a vpn/report abusing schizo who would get me banned for weeks at a time for making a single post once a week in those threads asking the artists there to join the drawpile, and then engage in an absolutely skincrawling samefag larp session musing about their great achievement. It is a thread for depraved autistic coomers and any artist that gives anyone there their time or effort should know their worth and stay the fuck away from request threads in general, but especially that one.';

'>>7152990
>Two years later AI is still jeet slop and it’s clear all the destruction wasn’t worth the couple of cents made off it but the damage is done.

Artstation was full of chinese digital painters, it's almost the same thing as AI except the Chinese charged thousands';

'>>7154348
> t. seething crab making retarded comparisons';

'>>7152437
/co/ despises AI and spergs out when it's mentioned';

'>>7154306
>objectively good AI art
good morning sirs';

'>>7152330
Honestly the red joystick looks like a big button. At least a mixture of both.
I think what is much more worrisome or alarming that this is Mike Allreds style. Since it is an AI you can say it stole his artpiece.';

'>>7153020
It's why newgrounds is seeing more traffic than it did in over a decade.';

'>>7154841
so his style is ai style? nice.';