'>>7154371';

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'I don't like their eyes, they all look like they shoved a hand up their ass and somebody grabbed it';

'Are we getting nostalgic for AOT now? Anon that's just what happens to any series after it stops being current. People evaluate it in retrospect with a more objective lens.
Especially for popular works, there's always going to be a vocal crowd of detractors for the work. Doesn't matter how good it is, this is unavoidable. They'll say all sorts of things like "the art sucks" or "the plot is bad" or "the characters don't make sense" or "it's cuckshit" or whatever other straw they can grasp to justify their contrarianism. Some of those might even be legitimate issues with a series, but it'll always be the main thing anybody (here) talks about while the work is still relevant. Once it's over and some time has passed such that it's no longer cool to discard a work as trash just because it has flaws, a work will be evaluated on a slightly more objective metric. Nothing is ever beyond criticism of course, but popular current works will always have people scrambling to explain why they think it sucks and people are stupid for enjoying it or whatever. Again, this is true of any and every work to achieves any semblance of popularity.';

'>>7154371
I remember reading the manga 10 years ago and the art was rough outside of double spreads like your picrel. I don't remember that pic tho so maybe it's a redraw or special edition.';

'Isayama improved during the manga run and he is certainly better than he was, but he is still pretty bad of an artist. His hatching is bad, he chicken scracthes alot. The overall anatomy is bad.
I red circled particularly bad spots in this page, but the overall hatching in the entire page is pretty bad. He seems unable to define the muscle volume so he tries to draw every single muscle fiber which ends up looking messy';

'>>7154980
compare it to horikoshi, look how much cleaner everything is';

'>>7154371
you are confused. its not a callout for this complete hack. ALL manga art is trash.';

'>>7154371
i don't feel like digging up a picture as an example, but one of my earliest impressions of AoT was that the author wasn't very good at anatomy, and specifically, the placement of ears on a character's skull. the ears are often too far back from the face, making the face look fuckhuge and disconcerting.';

'>>7154371
from a technical view there are problems, However the higher skill of the artist doesn't equal more success.';

'>>7154986
you're actually retarded';

'Isayama isn't the best technically, it's just he has alot of ambition and ends up making great looking stuff like this. Never let your';

'>>7154986
dipshit';

'>>7154980
retarded nitpicking faggot, at least criticise something that matters';

'>>7154371
>posts a fantastic outlier
>fails to share the near illegible muddy panels that plague some of that first volume

look, shit was my man's freshman work. he was allowed to have some growing pains. But don't act like this spread is every page or something.';

'>>7154986
Horikoshi is one of the most skilled manga artists of all time, even if he keeps drawing dino snouts for some reason.';

'>>7155316
>you shouldn't post an artist at their best, you should post them at their worst!
Why? No really, what's the logic?';

'>>7155323
People will always look at your worst as the baseline for your work. That's why it's important to curate and update your portfolio, anon.';

'>>7155339
No, 4channers will. Actual humans will remember the thing that stuck out the most to them, which more often than not will be the highs, not the lows. Nobody's going around posting Frazetta's worst drawings. Besdies, fucking EVERY artist has made dogshit drawings before. What use is it to judge them for work from when they were just starting off instead of later in their career when they had improved?';

'>>7155345
Buddy, take this from a professional - art directors will measure you by your worst work in your portfolio. So take them out.';

'>>7155347
I'm also a professional and nobody is saying you should put your worst work in your portfolio. What a weird strawman.';

'>>7155350
If people wouldn't judge you by your worst, it wouldn't matter to leave them in.';

'>>7155357
Anon you seem to have lost track of the conversation.
This poster >>7155316 says that OP's image is a bad example of the artist's work because it's an outlier. Instead he says a better example of the artists work is actually the crappy panels from early in the series.
I asked here >>7155323 what the point of judging an artist only for their worst work is.
Then you (?) >>7155339 claim it's because people look at your worst work as the baseline, and make the leap to say that one should always curate your portfolio with your best work.
Nobody mentioned portfolios up until this point and I don't think anybody would disagree with the idea of putting only your best work in your portfolio. It's not relevant to the discussion, as not a single person has suggested putting bad work in one's portfolio.

So I'll rephrase my counterpoint to get us back on track: What's the point in ignoring that an artist grew and improved over time? What use is it in seeing some bad panels from 10 years ago and ignoring all the gains they've made since that point? These are not rhetorical questions, I'm asking you to explain what you hope to gain by viewing artists as only as good as their very lowest points. Because as I pointed out, every artist has drawn crap at some point. It's a necessity to learn, are we all only as good as the shitty doodles we made as babies or something?';

'>>7155360
Anin, this is an art board. Try Quora if you want a philosophical discussion.';

'>>7155368
And now you're committing to mental gymnastics to avoid answering a pretty straightforward art question. I see this conversation has reached it's conclusion. Peace dude, hope your job treats you well.';

'>>7155370
You want me to answer your question? I don't know why some people are making shitty threads like this. I don't know why others feel the need to nitpick popular artists. What has any of this to do with artwork and critique? There's no point responding to your post because it's all just hypotheticals and I don't even disagree with anything you said.';

'>>7154371
It's professional quality, and that makes failures seeth.';

'>>7155302
this is why you'll never improve';

'>>7154986
This is cringe with none of the appeal and worse perspective';