'>>61458572
It took me a while to notice a deer in my yard when it was laying down';

'>>61458572
I was gonna call you retarded, but while I've looked into this question I still don't have a good answer. There's probably something to be gained here, though whether that's pro, con, or something else I don't know. Carry on.';

'Works great for OP's mom picrel';

'>>61458572
I had a camo hoodie I wore for close to a decade before someone pointed out the small leafs were actually hundreds of turkeys. Does that count?';

'>>61458572
I'm a bird nerd and I think about this a LOT. A good example is the nightjar family, they spend a lot of time on the ground/on low branches and they blend in so well it's common people will almost step on them before they take off flying. Other birds like woodcocks, owls, and many other species younger birds (the plumage changes completely as they get older, the camo helps them when they're young fledglings on the ground). African wild dogs have a pattern that makes me think of late WWII German camo';

'>>61458845';

'>>61458572
You're not retarded for asking this question OP, but the answer is not really, though there are principals to be learned from nature for human camo. The biggest is countershading and other texturing that breaks up body shape: light color on the bottom, which would be darker if shaded by light from above. The reason animals fur colors don't work so well for people, or rather against humans, is the fact that we have decent color vision compared to other terrestrial land predators. If you you're a cougar or wolf, the deer coat actually blends in well to the surroundings by shade given their lack of certain color receptors in the eye. Countershading is also difficult to implement, as if you're prone or in a different position than standing, suddenly it makes you stick out more. For cost reasons, it also might not be worth it to have color gradients on camo, given that it's usually uniform.';

'>>61458572
You could argue all camo is animal based.';

'>>61458572
>how effective would animal based camos be on humans
Dress up like a coral snake and I'll give you a head start...';

'>>61458726
>There's probably something to be gained here, though whether that's pro, con, or something else I don't know.
The essence of /k/.';

'>>61458911
Yet, I would argue all animals are camo based, checkmate.';

'>>61458911
>trees are critters too';

'>>61458572
Just dress up as a white Toyota Corolla and nobody will see you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TY-6OkCYdI';

'>see human silhouette
>hesitate for moment, don't want to shoot friendlies
>see giant man sized rodent
>open fire on dangerous ROUS immediately

How would that help? No one likes ROUSs.';

'>>61458726

> while I've looked into this question I still don't have a good answer. There's probably something to be gained here, though whether that's pro, con, or something else I don't know.

Thanks for sharing';

'>>61458896
>If you you're a cougar or wolf, the deer coat actually blends in well to the surroundings
Fuck man, it still works well on humans sometimes. Can't tell you how many times I've been actively looking at a deer only for it to turn it's head a different way and just fucking disappear.';

'>>61458853
here is your real tree bro';

'>>61458853
>sounds off all night 20 feet from your tent';

'>>61460213
Same. I've also nearly stepped on wild rabbits several times, I had no idea they were even there until they ran when I was a foot or two away. I have a couple barn cats, one of them looks like picrel and its amazing how well camouflaged it is.';

'>>61460788';

'if militaries cared 100% about camo effectiveness, they would all just wear realtree. the issue is that camo is still a uniform so it cant look too outrageous.';

'>>61458572
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLqce9rBXY&pp=ygUPdG9wIHNlY3JldCEgY293';

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'>>61460788
Damn, I can't see it at all.';

'>>61458845
This is good camo? (African basenji)';

'>>61464833
???';

'>>61458572
OP, are you trying to sneak your furry fetish into an active warzone?';

'>>61460505
I camp with a sling shot for reasons.';

'>>61465720
no, i want boots with turtle patterns & uniforms with the coat of a deer';

'>>61458572
Its called nutria brown for a reason';

'>>61458572
no soldier will use it for fear of being too embarrassed';

'>>61460907
>Yeah just wear this one camo made specifically for one single environment and one season everywhere all the time.';

'>>61458896
So gillie suits?';

'>>61458586
I rousted a Puma on a hillside by a lake I was kayaking on at no more than 30yrds and I was looking right at him and he was invisible. In hindsite it was how he'd broken up any silhouette/outline by striking an odd pose where his tan and lighter colors were shown in an unnatural manner.

IMO camo should be mixed and asymmetric

IMO worst possible is one color for uniform, then a mismatched plate carrier of diff darkness, so it creates a nice "ring" round the center mass plate carrier.. Might as well paint big bullseyes.';

'>>61462636
what is "open" vs 'Closed" habitat?';

'>>61466359
are you asking a rhetorical question?
if so, then my answer is to simply wear a two tone set of smock & tagelmust
if not, however
a closed would be something like a forest (top of image)
an open would be something like a plains (bottom of image)
light reacts differently in these environments, something suited to one is more easily seen in the other, and something suited for neither is seen easier in both';

'>>61466478
thx, I was thinking like a island vs big land';

'>>61466356
>In hindsite it was how he'd broken up any silhouette/outline
That's probably the most important function of camo and it's why things like ghillie suits work so well. Our brains try to identify objects by edge detection. When something fucks up our ability to see edges/silhouettes we have a harder time seeing it.';

'I've incorporated rock-mimicking, mobile, anti-personell mines based on this grasshopper in a sci-fi tabletop RPG. The players were not happy at all.';

'>>61465720
>OP, are you trying to sneak your furry fetish into an active warzone?
I mean, realistically, if all of your soldiers were dressed in neon colored fursuits, acting super gay and butt-fucking each other in the field, the enemy ~would~ see them but immediately pretend as hard as they could that they didn't.';

'>>61466356
>IMO camo should be mixed and asymmetric
Purely on an aesthetic level I really like mixmatched top/pants. And I really hate 'camo, rigging, pants, helmet, all the exact same camo/color'. Which might be better due to the ring center mass you mentioned, I am just talking in personal tastes.';

'>>61467446
holy fuck';

'Wake up babe, new camo meta just dropped.';

'>>61467426
>nickgarr butt
Nice joke image';

'>>61467446
>>61467554';

'>>61467589';

'>>61458572
>how effective would animal based camos be
On humans, not very. The most basic form of natural camouflage is countershading, and that only works in a specific orientation towards the ground, while humans will be standing, kneeling or prone depending on the situation meaning countershading doesn't owrk.
On the other hand, countershading was (is?) very common on ships and the like, as they'll typically have one specific side facing up.';

'Not directly related to the thread but Batesian-Wallacian is already common in humans.';

'>>61465469
Nice';

'somebody post the image of the side profile of the B2 and a peregrine falcon.';

'>>61465720
Like a fetish for furries getting shot or furries in general?';

'>>61458572
mildly. the real answer is that human made camo is more effective than the shading on animal fur

also on some animals their color is for more than or not for camo. a lot of birds are white or black for heat dissipation reasons for example. and some animals do things to camo-up further, like digging in sand or dirt but only a little to get covered rather than to protect themselves or actively burrow

>>61458838
sounds cute';

'>>61467732
>PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP';

'>>61465732
: ( please do not harm the birds';

'>>61466245
Lekker';