'Nigger it was designed for a specific purpose, and thus has been made with specific design choices. Such as underpowered cartridge, which is inadequate for militarily applications, but good enough for internal affairs at soviet times.';

'>>61459893
Double stack makarovs already exist, that's good enough.';

'>>61459893
I'd say the Czech's had a good whack at that with the CZ-82.';

'>>61459893
chamber it in 10mm, but then make the cartridge a bit shorter just to be a contrarian cunt. hey wait a minute...';

'>>61459893
Sell them to retards in America and use profits to buy Glocks';

'>>61459910
Yeah so keep the general idea as a sidearm for officers but just upgrade it a bit. Make it lighter, or smaller or have more capacity or a more powerful round in the rare event that it is used';

'I would just go back a generation and modernise from there. You can do a lot more with 7.62x25 than 9x18mm';

'>>61459893
Pay someone at Kel Tec to do a speedball and redesign it in plastic';

'>>61460260';

'>>61459893
melt down to make real service pistols';

'>>61459893
Double stack, 9mm, clean up the looks a bit, light rail, compact and full size versions.';

'>>61460073
>533
Shit I bought one for a bottle of vodka and a hundred US dollars. The Russians consider these to be antiquated, a weak ass pistol for limp wristed government officials.';

'This is basically the modern equivalent, make of that what you will.';

'>>61459893
There isn't much to do to it, a button mag release is all that's holding it back. Chamber it in 9x19 and give it an optic cut if you think it matters, but IMO its irrelevant.';

'>>61460298
>light rail
as opposed to a heavy rail?';

'Done.';

'>>61459893
Just add the israeli grips with a side mag release';

'>>61459945
came here to post this.';

'>>61460311
I bought an East German K100 for like three hundred something dollars';

'>>61459945
/thread
I have a mak and a CZ-83, the 83 is supremely comfy';

'>>61459893
Re-design it from the ground up. It's a piece of shit.';

'>>61459893
Nyet. Peestol fine.';

'>>61459893
The only major thing I would change is the safety location. The slide safety makes it difficult to get a modern high grip on the pistol without interfering with the slide's movement, so I would change that to a frame mounted decocker only. Aside from that, I would only put better sights on it, chamber it in .380 ACP like the Russian export Makarovs, and try to clean up the DA trigger pull a little. But you can do as much as you want to a Makarov and it's never going to be a "competitive" option on the modern handgun market.';

'Don’t change a thing. It’s perfect as it is. Reliable, simple, inexpensive.

Just the ticket for performing an execution of a Vatnik after a drumhead court martial for cowardice, or blowing the brains out of a political criminal when he or she fails to meet his daily quota of ore-bearing dirt tonnage delivered to the sluice.

This, it is admirably suitable for use as a CCW EDC to help introduce nigger stick-up men and Hispanic rapists to the Lord Jesus, and “bullet therapy” to zonked-out addicts.

And since the Pooh-Lee e are going to perform their sworn peacekeeping duty of confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens for the benefit of the LawyerKind that make up our government, the financial loss for the citizen-shooter isn’t so great a burden.

Anyone that thinks the piece needs improvement is very likely Fake and Gay Tacticool Suburban CommandoFag or a Communist converted by brain damage, HFCS, and Mainstream Media advertising into hopeless Consoomeriingism for the sake of Consooming.

Go be a nigger with your “phat rimz” somewhere else.';

'>>61460073
>>61460311
Wow you're so cool old boomer niggers, I guess inflation and supply and demand weren't a thing in 2010';

'>>61459893';

'>>61459893
You can't, they are pieces of shit with an effective range of 15 meters at best, the reason why they are so widely used is because they cost 100-150$ while still being better than the ghetto nigger garbage in that price range';

'>>61460321
It's not milspec and doesn't legally adhere to be. So no it's not even in the same category as Makarov made in USSSR';

'>>61462498
god i want a fort-12';

'I'd make the sights not ass, chamber it in 9x19mm and give it a button mag release. That's all you really need to do to it to bring it up to speed with a modern pistol of the same size and role.';

'>>61460599
This, I fucking love me 83';

'>>61460298
>>61463033
How do you plan on making a straight blowback 9x19 that small without changing anything else on the action of the gun? Do you even own a gun?';

'>>61463181
Make the spring/ slide heavier dumbass, do you know how straight blowback fucking works?';

'>>61463442
So Hi-Point';

'>>61459893
It's pretty perfect the way it is, I love my Bulgarian. After handling and doing a takedown/reassembly it really is a beautifully simple and well built gun';

'>>61459893
>>61459945
>>61460321
>>61462503
A gun is agun, they are just made for killing.';

'>>61463181
A 9x19 Makarov prototype exists and the slide isn't fuckhuge like the Hi Point's zinc slide. Zinc is lighter than steel so it has to be a chunker. That thing shouldn't be taken seriously or even discussed in weapons development.

Since we're making it double stack, scale up a bit to full duty size. It needs to be competitive with the standard 18 rounders on the market so it's going to need some size anyway. Worry about compactifying it later, though one of the main things I like about the Mak is it's quite small so I'd only get the compact unless the fullsize had good enough performance. Btw the Laugo Alien is basically a straight blowback 9mm so it's not impossible.';

'>>61460044
Holy shit is that a Hipoint lmfao. Was it always that or am I experiencing the Mandela effect wtf';

'>>61463886
No.';

'>>61462335
>Sir, this is a Wendy's';

'>>61459893
>38 replies
>No mention of Stechkin APS

You guys fucking suck.';

'>>61466154
It was always a hi-point I think, either that or someone did such a good job photoshopping a hi-point in his hand that everyone thinks it now.';

'>>61466167
It's like they took a Makarov and made it into a Makarov.';

'>>61466167
The fucking STECHKIN? The Stechkin and the Makarov are just about completely different guns apart from the obvious soviet influence they both have.';

'>>61459893
Make it smaller by making the slide out of a denser/ heavier alloy and using a heavier spring. Realistically the Mak's greatest strength is how much smaller and lighter it is compared to the TT-33 so reducing size and weight would be the most logical improvement for it. You could also go the neurotypical route of beefing it up for 9x19, widening the frame for double stack mags, attaching a rail, and maybe giving it an RMR cut but such an idea is immensely banal as well as homosexual';

'>>61466173
Okay okay I was wrong, I was thinking of a different soviet era pistol. I'll admit the stechkin is basically a beefed up Makarov machine-pistol.';

'>>61466173
Yeah retard, it’s a better Makarov, double stack mags, ability to attach a stock, silencer, and full auto to take advantage of 9x18 being anemic.';

'>>61466167
What about it? Yeah it's a kickass gun but it has as much to do with the Mak as Ferris Bueller has with Ferris Wheels';

'>>61466186
>How would you upgrade/modernise it? >Some sort of super makarov?

I swear you fuckers are braindead.';

'>>61459893
Honestly they only things that need work are the mag release / capacity and the lack of an underbarrel attachment. Maybe you could put a tiny little red laser pointer under the barrel. You have to keep in mind this is essentially a pocket pistol so it really just needs features of modern subcompact .380's.';

'>>61466199
Makarovs are way too heavy for pocket pistols. I carried a CZ-83 for years and even those are too heavy to comfortably carry in a pocket.';

'>>61466192
Is this an ESL thing? Upgrading and modernizing carries the implication that you retain the original item, while improving aspects of it. When people say they upgraded their car, they don't generally mean they sold it for a completely different one. When a military modernizes, they don't fire everyone, scrap everything and start from scratch.';

'>>61466159
9x19 has 50 percent more pressure than 9x18 over the same bolt area. Thats 50% more force.
How do you put such cartridge in gun designed for straight blowback?
Yes, you will end up with really heavy slide, or really heavy recoil spring, or both.
Check the numbers and do the math before posting.';

'>>61466259
You’re a fucking retard bro';

'>>61466167
I do not live to please you, so suck it back.';

'>>61466186
>Ferris Bueller has with Ferris Wheels
Now this is really clever!
I'm gonna write this one down!
Fucking hilarious, dude!';

'>>61466393
>do the math before posting.
Can't we just post lewds? Math sucks, tits rock.';

'A modern duty pistol (for twinks and manlets).';

'>>61466393
Or let's not be retarded using early 1900s tech and make it a gas delayed blowback in which case it's very possible to handle the pressure of 9mm, see: Laugo Alien

There really isn't much benefit from a fixed barrel which is why most manufacturers don't bother engineering it that way, but it's certainly doable in any reasonable handgun caliber.';

'>>61466489
That's what I was going to say next.
Point was, you can't chamber 9x19 in makarov and keep same straight blowback action, unless the idea is to make your own version of Hi-Point.';

'>>61460568
Jews and their junkware. Take a slim profile pistol and add the largest after market grip you can possibly find.';

'>>61465716
It's a tool for people with a job to do, hence my comment. Everyone who has a job to do just upgraded to a polymer compact like the mmp shield and thought nothing of it.

Trigger safety is good if you're shooting someone through your jacket, the capacity is nice, 9mm is nice, it's a general upgrade';

'>>61466393
This. Whole point of 9mm was the combination of closed bolt and high velocity in a double stack configuration';

'>>61462503
milspec is usually garbage spec';

'>>61466154
It was always a Hi-Point, that's why we keep calling them problem-solvers.';

'>>61459893
What even needs to be corrected? Pistols are not relevant to combat. Just use literally any modern full size, compact or subcompact as needed.';

'>>61466393
>9mm has 50% more pressure than 9x18
Make spring 25% stronger and slide 25% heavier. There you go retard, what is so difficult that you need me to show you the math?';

'>>61466393
Also, a makarovs slide isn't made out of fucking Zinc alloy like a hi-point so why would you ever think it needed to be a big as one?';

'>>61460073
Jesus. I bought a 1995 Bulgy in 2018 in mint condition, with the holster, 2 mags, cleaning rod and lanyard for $375 and felt like I paid a bit much then.';

'>>61466169
I saw that episode on TV years ago. That's not shooped, it is indeed a HiPoint.';

'>>61459893
If you want a cheap all steel, single stack 9x19 com block gun, get a Zastava m88.';

'>>61467927
cope';

'>>61459893
extended mag + adjustable headspace';

'>>61466162

>Sir, this is a Wendy's<

Like I said, MSM Joovertsing, High Fructose Corn Syrup,and brain damage ,(possibly from drinking water fluoridation and chemtrail poisoning).

Enjoy your GoySlop and your Consoomerized Makarov with 3 pounds of “muh tacticool accessories” and 150 round extend-o-mag sticking out of the well.

Wendy’s is marketed to Negroes with notions of upward social mobility.
Did you know this?

The Mak is an execution pistol. That’s what it was designed to be, anon.';

'>>61459910
So a gun solely for shooting political prisoners in the back of the head?';

'>>61470053
>Wendy’s is marketed to Negroes with notions of upward social mobility.
I see no issue';

'>>61470233
>So a gun solely for shooting political prisoners in the back of the head?<

NTA, but essentially…yes. Also recalcitrant Penal Battalion members who didn’t display sufficient Socialist Zeal in charging Wehrmacht machine guns.

You will grant the the Red Army had more experience than any other Western nation in the peculiar needs of executing Gulagites and Wreckers after World War 2, right?

And being in a Command Economy, the gunmakers had no other competing demands than those of the Red Army to bother with, (Communist Product Safety Commission bureaucrats, Gun-Banning politicians, Personal injury lawyers, insurance company representatives…all these had been adjudicated by Tokarevs and starvation), so they were at leisure to build EXACTLY and PRECISELY what the Red Army wanted.

(Also, the damned Reds stole the entire Kraut Walther factory, and they had to figure out what to DO with it within their Soviet limitations).';

'>>61470233
Yep. Good for close-range executions or maybe equipping some manner of undercover KGB glowies. If the owner dies, the anticitizen who took it isn't too hard to deal with for the response teams armed with automatic weapons. The state and its enforcers are basically free to do anything they want to their captive slave population with little fear of reprisals. That system has "worked" up to the present day more or less, we'll see how much longer it is before that system implodes on itself and Russia becomes like the Middle East.';

'>>61459893
Man, I love the Makarov.
Is it weak? Yes.
Is it outdated? Yes.
Is it inaccurate? Maybe.
But goddamn if it isn't awesome for simplicity alone. I love the fucking weird ass chunky spring, molded single piece grip, and fixed barrel.
Goddamn do I love the Makarov.';

'>>61459893
pretty much >>61459945, Czechs did a good job
>mag capacity Increased to 12
>relocated mag release
>frame mounted safety
>polygonal rifled barrel
>better sights
>supposedly had a special load 9x18 that ended up ~20% more powerful
My favorite part is how they couldn't get reliable enough decocker function with the frame safety so they just said fuck it put a spur hammer on it';

'>>61459893
>underpowered cartridge, which is inadequate for militarily applications
You just described all pistols. Ball ammo will go right through a man whether 9x18 or 9x19, and that's what militaries issue. What you meant to type was
>inadequate for civilian applications where JHP is being carried';

'>>61470233
>enough punch there's no need to fear freak survivors of a headshot
>enough pen to take down runners
>not too much recoil stressing NKVD hands for those mass events
>rear mag catch because time isn't an issue but dropping the people's mags is
>singlestack mags mesh well with a desk-gun size for officers
>enough ammo to dominate 2 or 3 unarmed prisoners, but not enough to credibly threaten a people's liberation force unit escorting the wielder to a date with materialist destiny
It was uncannily well suited to the times.';

'>>61468989
Yeah congratu fucking lations retard you made your piece of shit carry pistol that was supposed to be sleek and handy even more heavier, more difficult to rack the slide and made the piece of shit's return to sight alignment even worse due to the increased inertia. While you're at it just triple the trigger weight and make it shootable only from prone with a bipod. And for what, just to waste more of the energy of the upgraded cartridge shot out of a barrel shorter than a duck's dick.';

'>>61471731
Even then they had to come up with better (less retarded) pistols to execute dissidents with such as the PSM';

'>>61472202
A slam-bang shotgun is also simple anon.';

'>>61468989
>>61479264
What the gun really needs is a smaller bullet anyways. It's basically a simplified PPK, except instead of shooting .32 they went for a round that's a glorified .380 and somehow kicks worse than larger cartridges despite being less potent.
They really should've just kept the damn Tokarev, I'm convinced the only reason the Makarov exists is because "Germany were so advance, so we copy their pistol and make less advance for dumdum conscriptovich" and "look, Europe is of use 9mm, so we make our own 9mm for the advance German space gun. Now we unstoppable and true power of world!" It's about the same reason why 5.45 exists.
>>61479283
To be fair it came about around the time the Russians were dipping really deep into retardation. Similar to now, but internal rather than external. They really should have stuck to paying the Belgians to make guns for them, but after they stiffed Leon Nagant over the Mosin then that ship sailed.';

'>>61479295
Yeah but I can't carry that on my hip easily. Maks are also fun for reloading up to the very limit of being safe in straight blowback.';

'>>61479295
A makarov feels like one step above a homebuilt junk gun. It's semi auto and reliably cycles but still as incredibly bare bones.';

'Don't mind me just posting the cool Soviet combat pistol instead of the political officer's execution device.';