'>Could a "gloves off" mid-'60s US military actually win a war with the modern US?
No.';

'>>61466383
If you want to see this, just look at Ukraine x Russia. Russian tech stagnated since the 60's and 70's, which is right when USA pivoted to their current doctrine of high precision high cost weaponry designed to protect crew lives. Patriots, F-16's, Himars, etc would devestate 1960's American weapons... and 60's America didn't even have an IFV!

They could still do damage, and some nuclear strikes and Davy Crocketts might get through but we're talking overall catastrophic loss for 60's America.';

'>>61466383
Only in the sense of a first strike with nuclear ICBMs. And only in the sense of first strike damage inflicted and not a final outcome.

Also USA is such a huge country that putting two USA next to each other, one would struggle to invade the other, even with every advantage.';

'>>61466484
>and 60's America didn't even have an IFV!
M113 was developed in 1961.

And the F-4 Phantom in 1958.

Furthermore, the service wasn't ruled by niggers then, so the equipment actually worked. 1960's America would win hands down in a war.
1. More industry.
2. No niggers in leadership roles.

Modern day America couldn't even replicate Operation Desert Storm.';

'>>61469697
Pure thirdie cope. Modern day USA could perform a Desert Storm style offensive against any modern adversary with MAYBE the exception of China, for which a different approach might be necessary';

'>>61466383
>Could a "gloves off" mid-'60s US military actually win a war with the modern US?
no';

'>>61469798
Bitch please, if America went to war against Iran, we would get bogged down in the mountains and on the beaches. They have a formidable army and have decent tech, not to mention a large manpower pool to pull from.';

'>>61473139
>we
lol, lmao ok john al-smith from ohio emirate';

'>>61473154
This post shows why the west is fucked. No critical discussion of their current state, just “NO WE THA BEST”';

'>>61469697
Bro trying to tell me an M113 is an IFV lol';

'>>61473154
Im a white christian you jewish fuck. Keep your own wars to yourself.';

'>>61473172
What is /k/‘s obsession with being white, can we have a serious discussion about racism on this board?';

'>>61473172
>da joooooos
Yeah, im sure only the tribe would think youre an intolerable cunt lol';

'>>61473177
>>61473178
Im not racist I just hate warmongers';

'>>61473188
>thats why i shill for authoritarian regimes!
Im sure lol it deffo isnt because you feel wronged by society and now contrarianism is the only way you can lash out';

'>>61473204
I refuse to talk anymore about politics on this wonderful board. But, I will say America loves to overestimate itself. We are not as great as we once were, especially our military.';

'>>61473221
Cool, take your shill ass elsewhere then';

'>>61473139
A war does not necessitate invasion. A perfecetly complete victory condition only needs to be "destroy the ability of the Iranians to wage war." The US could effect this within two weeks of concentrating its naval force and moving to strike. Instead of playing at regime change and "nation buidling" all the US has to do is neuter and terrorize the current regime.';

'>>61469798
>Modern day USA could perform a Desert Storm style offensive against any modern adversary
This is the cope. Modern day USA couldn't perform a Desert Storm against anyone. Those capabilities have atrophied in many ways.';

'>>61473284
>Those capabilities have atrophied in many ways.
Yeah we took the missouri out of service, everything else is still there retard';

'>>61466383
>>61469697
>>61473139
>>61473166
>>61473172
take a good hard look lads, this is what happens when you get infected with contrarianism. First the mind goes...';

'>>61473319
>everything else is still there retard
Like those 600 other ships? Or those 4,000 combat aircraft? Those 3 million soldiers riding in 10,000 tanks? How about the logistical behemoth to supply them all and the economic might to pay for it? The technology has improved, but the US is overall far weaker than it was in 1990 just in objective terms.';

'>>61473357
What brainwashed westoids call contrarianism educated individuals call it outside the box thinking. This is why the west will be left behind';

'Physically men from the 60s were much better than today. Or rather, maybe "different"? It’s not just obesity, people simply looked different. Men back then seemed almost all have wider necks, broader shoulders and more square facial features. Once you notice it it’s hard to see it. Even scrawny nerds looked like that. I have idea why. Maybe the effects of micro-plastics kicking in? My brother thinks it might be the government used to supplement animal feed or something which they don’t anymore or something similar lol. Any ideas why this is?';

'>>61473419
Shit like micro plastics and forever chemicals. If you want to feel good they found micro plastics an a placenta and micro plastics were found to have crossed the blood brain barrier in mice';

'>>61473409
you talk exactly like a chink. Fuck off retard.';

'>>61473419
For example, just some random pedestrians. Notice how his neck is the same width as his head— today it’s almost always the neck is skinner than the head.';

'>>61473432
Thank you. I rake that as a complement. I see to the future while you wallow in the past and short sighted selfish white supremacy. Loser';

'>>61473448
>bro look at this one cherrypicked image, da west fallen
oh I know your type. You'll grow out of this by the time you're 25ish.';

'>>61473457
Not him but I'm well over 25 and I still see how everyone sucks now. Having merit matter less and less and quotas (DEI) matter more and more doesn't help.';

'>>61469697
>No niggers in leadership roles.


There were black generals already during WW2, and the military fully desegregated by the end of the Korean war. By the 1960's, there absolutely were blacks in leadership positions in the military.';

'>>61473832
>DEI
DEI doesn't mean they aren't qualified. There is still a barrier to how you get qualified. Its also up to the management themselves in how they hire people because sometimes its nearly impossible to implement DEI policies.';

'Nice demoralization thread, it convinced me that China is actually very strong and doesn't build skyscrapers out of plywood';

'>>61466383
GPS and satellite imagery is too big a bridge to gap, alongside modern interception tech. Modern US would end up roughed up, but 60s US would end up *gone* as once the nukes start slinging, we can intercept more of theirs' and ours are much better at hitting what we intend to.';

'>>61473221
Back to /pol/ with your brownhood';

'>>61466383
>Be an officer overlooking the 1961 Berlin crisis
>Suddenly appear in Canada with orders to fight a futuristic US
>The USAF are obliterated by unseen forces, and hell rains from the heavens
>Radars/Command and control are vaporized, cutting off leadership
>The enemy can see anything and everything you do from space
>They can coordinate massive movements using GPS
>Even infantry can shit on the highest end M60 tanks from further than you can see with the utmost precision
Unless the modern US is caught with its pants down probably not';

'>>61473848

Thanks to Gavin & Ridgway.';

'>>61475298
Tye more I read about Ridgeway, the more based he gets.';

'>>61473832
Get a life loser, stop blaming the world for your lack of desirability. Do you really believe that if you made yourself extremely valuable to a company that they would hire the black that isn't nearly as qualified as you?

It's an uphill battle as a straight white male, no one is denying that, but don't use the hill as the reason why the peak is out of reach.';

'>>61473903
It's stormfags' newest buzzword for casting their own failures onto. It doesn't mean anything to them other than signaling to other retards that they share the same brain worms.';

'>>61478202
You think Im a neo-Nazi because I recognize DEI as the tumerous growth on organizational structures that is? You're fucking retarded. DEI is nothing but a modern justification for quotas and organizational practices where people aren't being looked at solely based on merit. Its when a bunch of overpaid staff that contribute nothing of value are most concerned about getting good media coverage from the left wing identity-politics crowd. It wastes money, demotivates, and ensure worse leadership.';

'>>61477636
Im not someone who goes around sucking corporate cock trying to get hired. Ive got a position where i do what is required and no more because such effort goes unrewarded.';

'>>61478536
>I recognize DEI
Stopped reading right there. You didn't use this word six months ago, and your failures are your own.';

'>>61469697
>M113
>IFV
Anon...';

'>>61469917
Counterpoint

>The Nike Hercules, initially designated SAM-A-25 and later MIM-14, was a surface-to-air missile (SAM) used by U.S. and NATO armed forces for medium- and high-altitude long-range air defense. It was normally armed with the W31 nuclear warhead';

'>>61466383
>Could a "gloves off" mid-'60s US military actually win a war with the modern US?
no
all their assets evaporate day 1 in a beautiful coordinated bombing campaign';

'>>61473139
Even if what you claim is true, it doesn't matter in the face of stealth aircraft.
How do you stop the Raiders and F35s from bombing all your military assets every day with impunity, assets you can't hide from satellite surveilance? Until there is nothing left?
You don't.
You get nothing. You lose. Good day, sir.';

'>>61478536
No, I think you are a neonazi because you use coded language, with the current trendy meme word.
I don't even know why you bother hiding it. You know what website you're on, you don't need to play these kinds of games here. Go back to twitter for this shit.
Just say what you really want to say, don't bother with this shit. It's just pathetic.
I have more respect for the unhinged ones than your kind.';

'>>61478599
Counter-counterpoint

All of those MIM-14s (and virtually every other piece of mid-60s equipment) would instantly get deleted with glide bombs + LO aircraft + modern ISR.

>>61473365
>Like those 600 other ships? Or those 4,000 combat aircraft? Those 3 million soldiers riding in 10,000 tanks? How about the logistical behemoth to supply them all and the economic might to pay for it? The technology has improved, but the US is overall far weaker than it was in 1990 just in objective terms.
How nonwhite do you need to be to unironically think like this? The US still has all of that equipment used in ODS in service/in storage along with new production.';

'>>61473457
>breezewood context
based knower. drive 5 miles away from breezewood and your in the beautiful rolling hills of rural Pennsylvania.';

'>>61478599
>At least 3 documented accidental launches

It's amazing our species survived the cold war';

'>>61478558
Uh retard, my job and pretty much everywhere else has had a DEI department staffed with do-nothing workers for many years now. Its government policy and valued by corporate bootlickers.
>>61478721
>coded language
Are you retarded or just a schizo? What else is hidden in my posts. Tell me if you can find the date Hitler will rise from the grave and create the Fourth Reich. Trust me, its there.
Only someone who is completely brainwashed defends all this bureaucratic bullshit. Did you know back in the '80s and '90s before this crap went mainstream blacks and gays still managed to have jobs and succeed? It must sound impossible to you, but the truth is that overpaid DEI hacks with worthless degrees dont do anything useful. Its bureaucratic bloat at its worst.';

'>>61479011
look just say you hate blacks and fags or whatever
why bother talking in roundabout way, you're fooling anyone. I don't believe that you have a problem with "DEI" or know what it means or care what it means for that matter. You just learned that by saying it, you can signal "I hate them blacks and gays and trannies" without actually saying those things. But this shit is for twitter or facebook or whatever.

I'll say it again, look at what website you're on, you can just say those things. I'll reiterate, what bothers is not that you're some neonazi clown, stormfags have been here for a long time. It's that you're so obtuse about it for no reason.
Just say the thing.';

'>>61479011
>retard
Yes, you are.';

'>>61479011
>my job
you don't have a job';

'>>61469697
>so the equipment actually worked

>>>/his/16538667';

'>>61479046
Holy fuck you stupid. You do realize there is a large middle ground between Neo-Nazis and the "social justice" clowns right? People can have views that fall between two extremes.
I dont see why you're so interested in my views on blacks, fags, and trannies anyway. Are you invested in this shit? Are you one of those worthless DEI department workers yourself?
>>61479070
>chart means nobody knew something existed until it became a news story
Stupid fucking mongoloid, it doesnt work that way. Idk if youve ever stepped into a college campus in your life but that sort of bullshit has been there for ages now.
>>61479087
Whatever you say, as long as they keep sending me those paychecks I dont care what you think i do or dont do.';

'>>61473139
We could defeat Iran without leaving CONUS.';

'>>61479268
>chart means nobody knew something existed until it became a news story
Nobody that talked about it used the term DEI, you literally learned that term recently. Stop lying. You're not clever, and it shows.';

'>>61466383
Don’t kid yourself and think that if someone launches a tactical nuke that we won’t respond with a strategic one.';

'>>61479355
You fucking retard, the term was and still is frequently used by these departments within companies and other organization. Its not something your boogeyman Tucker Carlson or whoever else you bitch about just invented out of thin air. They have plenty of other acronyms they loved to throw around too but that was a popular one until the recent exposure of how much of this is pointless bullshit that wastes the time of people who do real work.';

'>>61479411
>the term was and still is frequently used by these departments
But not by /k/ posters. You just learned that term, and it shows. You're very clearly fucking stupid, which is why it's so easy to trigger you by pointing out the obvious: that you're a fucking loser stormfag.';

'>>61479411
>Tucker Carlson
Literally nobody brought that retard up, so thanks for letting us know where you got it from.';

'>>61479441
Wow you are a disingenuous piece of shit aren't you? You claim I have never heard of it before but arent willing to associate one of the boogeymen your sort always blames for creating problems out of nothing.
Again why do you feel the need to defind this bullshit waste of money and time that the entire diversity industry thrives on?';

'>>61473279
Fair but he was responding to a desert storm type of invasion against Iran, so his point holds.';

'>>61479500
>You claim I have never heard of it before but arent willing to associate one of the boogeymen
>Noo, you have to respond to me in the way I imagine you would
Because I noticed every poltard spamming it on /o/ and /k/. You're too obvious. I don't need a Boogeyman, you're just retarded.';

'>>61479432
Maybe you wasted a lot of money for a degree related to this nonsense and feel the need to defend it by being a disingenuous piece of shit, but that still doesnt make me some neo-Nazi. You are so fucking stupid please go back to whatever reddit shithole you crawled out from.';

'>>61478202
>stormfags
Was literally a MOSSAD honeypot op';

'>>61479530
Project much? You're claiming I am a Nazi because I used a term that has been a point of discussion for quite some time now. Then you got pissed when I said Im not a Nazi. Just kys so nobody else has to deal with your delusions.';

'>>61478721
>You know what website you're on
You clearly don't. Go back to r*ddit tourist.';

'Clearly this anon doesn't actually want to talk about weapons and is just here to shit up the thread about niggers
/pol/ niggers need to go back';

'>>61479539
>disingenuous
All you, bro. Throwing everything at the wall now, huh? I didn't fit one caricature, so you drew up another of your stock characters? It's really amazing how absolutely stupid you are, yet how clever you think you're being right now.';

'>>61466383
If they had time build trenches and set up their tactical nukes and chemical mines; then yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M23_chemical_mine
Also Pentomic warfare trounces whatever that is going on in Ukraine right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrnsFmwiV_M
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Nuclear_(Civ1)#:~:text=When%20used%20on%20land%2C%20Nuclear,without%20the%20consequences%20of%20pollution.';

'>>61479627
lol your entire participation in this thread has been calling everyone who disagrees with you a stock villain you heard about on tv';

'>>61479551
>Was literally a MOSSAD honeypot op
>Everyone that makes us look stupid or incompetent was Mossad.
Guess by that logic, you must be Israeli.';

'>>61479627
I know I'm clever compared to some fuckwit lying redditor like yourself. Your entire argument devolves down into:
>you used a term that has become much more frequently used in public discourse this past year
>that makes you a Nazi
But please do keep trying to prove how smart you are by being disingenuous.
>Nobody that talked about it used the term DEI
A good example of that behavior.';

'>>61473848
Based Chappie';

'>>61479592
OP here. I just wanted to talk about a modern conventional force vs a nuke-happy military with an extreme tech deficit. These faggots are shitting up my thread so bad I would have preferred it died at 2 replies.';

'>>61478861
I knew I was at that place before.';

'>>61479701
>you used a term that has become much more frequently used in public discourse this past year
Yes, and used exclusively by poltards on this site. You're just too much of a dumbfuck to realize that you're not going to convince anybody.';

'>>61480287
>nobody ever talked about it before /pol/
Everyone knows you're a retard yet you're still trying this shit?
>you use the term so you must be /pol/
Since you are such an expert on /pol/ go fuck off there and instead of defending your anti-merit bullshit here.';

'>>61475648

West Point is renaming Lee Barracks after him (Ridgway was born in Virginia).

https://www.westpoint.edu/cadet-journey/cadet-housing';

'>>61469697
Anon, the Bushmaster, a fucking truck, is more protective for its occupants than the M113. And we don't call it an IFV.';

'>>61473365
>Those 3 million soldiers riding in 10,000 tanks?
with 300-man tank crews, no wonder they don't need autoloaders';

'>>61466383
>Could a "gloves off" mid-'60s US military actually win a war with the modern US?
Absolutely fucking not.
>>61473166
>nooo the West will fall because you don't heckin' accept my brainrot at face value!
Lol, lmao even';

'>>61478536
Nigger you literally didn't use the term DEI until a couple months ago, you just got over your CRT seethe programming. I do not believe you had this in your lexicon earlier, even in corporate Hell the term rarely comes up.';

'>>61482011
Holy shit, you're still trying this? Repeating yourself does not make anything you say true. This shit has been around for years and years now. FFS, Obama signed some executive order over a decade ago mandating that all federal organizations create such offices because he was that much of a leftist faggot. The fact some mainstream media outfits started talking about what bullshit it is only recently doesnt mean that nobody knew about it until then.';

'>>61482194
It's two different people, retard. You didn't get the term from being a policy wonk. You got it from Twitter or /pol/ in the last few months, and it shows.';

'>>61482194
KYS';

'>>61479942
The answer is lame, but the modern military paralyzes and then destroys the 60s since they will have no defense against F-35s carrying HARMs, and barely even the beginnings of a counter SEAD/DEAD doctrine.After the air becomes completely uncontested, you get Desert Storm again, with the only question being how many suicidal attacks are made before the order to surrender is given.';

'>>61479551
The honeypot being open doesn't make all the retards reaching into it suddenly not retards';

'>>61479268
>I dont see why you're so interested in my views on blacks, fags, and trannies anyway.
Because I find it annoying for you to larp as this "oh I am just a moderate asking questions", when everyone knows you're not, because everyone knows your signaling. I am asking why you bother to hide it here, where people are likely to agree with you.
Again, my problem isn't necessarily what you believe, it's that you're a weasly little coward about it hiding behind [current thing] and if you're not, then you are just retarded.

Just say what you actually want to say, you can do that here. Again, this is not facebook or twitter.';

'>>61480096
It's very distinctive. Famous because of how unusual it is, which makes it painfully ironic that photos of it are used to suggest that everywhere looks like that.';