'Fuck ya mudda';

'>/felon/ general';

'>still don't have a P-Rod
fuggggg';

'>>61549448
>/felon/ - blackpowder, crossbows, and airguns general';

'luv me umarex nxg apx

>take regular pellets
>takes BB's akin to a red ryder
>10-stage pump

fantastic for backyard can plinking and having people try shooting without the chance of them killing someone';

'undefined';

'>>61549473
Based, I like the idea';

'which types of guns need special scopes?';

'>>61549448
>/euro/ general';

'>>61549438
Rapid 7 owner (x2; 1 FAC, 1 sub 12 ft-lbs)';

'>>61549921
not really fat noguns loser';

'>>61549932
>posts pic of range's guns
lmao';

'What are the pros and cons of underbarrel levers? I really like their looks but they're typically more expensive than break barrels, so if they're a pain in some way or another I'm not going to splurge.';

'>>61550157
Pro's
No barrel hinge
No barrel seal
Barrel and action never move relative to each other
Scope will stay where set

Cons
More expensive
Harder to load
Pellet tap
Difficult to clean barrel
Difficult to remove jammed pellet
Potential "bear trap" when cocking';

'>>61549880
spring pistons, anon.';

'I cleaned the barrel on my new Crosman and it was pretty dirty, hopefully this improves accuracy';

'>>61550157
>>61550201
Pros continued:
Kinda looks like a tube magazine (cool)
Barrel stays in the same place
Ugh it's naptime and the compressor would wake up the kids';

'>>61550686
>the compressor
He's comparing to break barrels, not PCP';

'>>61551649
Fair';

'Another treenigger today, they just keep coming.';

'>>61551985
Nice fox squirrel. I notice rabbit and squirrel seasons near me are Fall/ Winter though I think they make exception for nuisance critters on your property. I might shoot one of the countless rabbits in my yard but I'll fry up the legs maybe';

'>>61552155
Check your hunting regs, some states have a spring squirrel season around this time of year.';

'>>61550157
Theoretically underlever is better if the rear sight is not on the barrel because the locking mechanism may distort the sights in that case. In reality with a new or a good break barrel there is no difference. An old break barrel with a loosened hinge point may have distorted sights but if that is the case there is probably air escaping as well: thighten that nut and continue shooting.
Having said that: break barrels are not that expensive, get a good one with a decent hinge and a good barrel (well crowned etc.) and have fun. If you like a challenge: look up hunter field target';

'My gen3 gamo magnum rifle's loading mechanism broke today after just 2 days of heavy use. GG, that's why I like to use the hell out of shit when I first get it. Now I get to send it back to amazon. Although I do have enough mechanical sense to fix it since it was just dislodged from the springs track. It doesn't matter its going back.


Did get about 8 squirrels and a couple chipmunks with it. Damn shame. I knew it looked gimmicky when I seen it in person.

On a related note what rifle should I buy for small game hunting now? I would still like a 1300 fps with PBA ammo and a .22';

'>>61552821
Swarm or Magnum? Never heard about a Swarm breaking before.';

'>>61552874
It's a swarm it looks like it says a swarm magnum

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086FCTRX4';

'>>61552155
Thanks. My dog appreciated it too. Year round shooting here.';

'>>61552821
If you're set on a Springer, I've only got one, the Vantage NP which I'd say is strong enough for small game. Do you plan on using a scope? If noise isn't a factor you could check other stuff like the 3622 which is around 700 fps with lead pellets. (I wouldn't recommend PBA for hunting though, lead has better real effectiveness)';

'>>61552301
>>61550686
>>61550201
Thanks anons, I'll be mulling over this.';

'>>61553500
>Vantage NP
That's not powerful enough for what I want. I want ~900 fps with a lead pellet. Thank you for the feedback, also I use https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Copperhead-4-12x44-Riflescope/dp/B01HBV8RHI/
as my sight.';

'They just cant stay out of my swamp. too small so to the dogs it goes.';

'Hello friends,
What's a good air pistol made somewhere other than China, Taiwan or Vietnam?
I'm looking to use it to shoot rats and squirrels.
Magazine fed is preferred.';

'>>61554083
I loved my swarm magnum by gamo before the magazine loader failed me 2 days into having it. Gamo is made in spain.

>>61549414
what do you mean by comb height?

>>61549445
>I don't have much experience with Vortex scopes
>if that Vortex is air rifle rated though
it is I just double checked
>>61549445
>tree chicken
Nah, fuck that. Those fuckers are dirty. And they go stiff in about an hour. I don't want to catch something. I'll just buy my meat.
>IDK if I'd want to eat squirrels that were eating a ton of plastic and junk either.
exactly';

'>>61554120
>Gamo is made in spain.
I know.
I was looking at the P900 for that reason.
Amazon seems to have a pretty good price on it.
I wish they'd make more models that look like air guns instead of replicas of firearms.';

'>>61554209
>P900
that's not really for hunting. you want a .22 with at least 700 fps with lead pellets. good plinker though';

'>>61554233
>you want a .22 with at least 700 fps with lead pellets
Why, will 400fps only bludgeon small game?';

'>>61554120
>what do you mean by comb height?
Comb height is the height of the top of the stock (in this case) relative to the sights or scope. If your comb (top of the stock) is too low, you have to move your head further up to compensate rather than getting a proper cheekweld. When you have to chinweld a rifle that has no iron sights and no capability to install iron sights and comes stock with a scope that the stock is way too low to get a proper cheekweld, it really sucks to shoot and can even cause accuracy issues, for example, like parallax error where you moving your head moves the reticle on the target. Basically means if you don't have your head perfectly centered (or in the same spot at the very least) it can make you think you're aiming on the target while you're really aiming, say, 1" low, which is exaggerated since you don't have a nice spot for your cheek to rest and your cheek is more or less "hinged" at your jawline. It sounds autistic but for hunting I'd rather a better cheekweld than a shitty one. There's a fix involving tape and rags but it shouldn't have been that way in the first place for the reasons explained above.
>it is I just double checked
That's good because some air rifles can cause issues even with good scopes; they recoil in reverse of a regular firearm, or at least in both directions, because of the piston.
>Nah, fuck that. Those fuckers are dirty.
If they're suburban or otherwise in your house, fair; like those that I mentioned below.
>And they go stiff in about an hour.
That's called Rigor Mortis which happens to every animal which can easily be solved by waiting two hours or so to skin them (work their legs around to loosen them up) and gutting them ASAP to prevent spoilage.
>I don't want to catch something. I'll just buy my meat.
More for me then; they're the cleanest wild game I know of.';

'>>61554249
T B H I'm not sure about the ballistics. I just want to have a clean kill. And an air handgun seems like a poor choice for precision as well. Your targets are going to be 25-50 yards away and very small, so you will need a scope to hunt squirrels and rats.';

'>>61551985
>>61554056
got em good, are you going to cook them?';

'>>61554276
>Comb height
thanks for explaining it to me. And yea I do have a problem with that. I thought it was just me. I'm sending back my Gamo anyways so its not a problem soon. What exactly do I look for when addressing this problem. I only understand it when I'm looking down the rifle. Do I want higher scope rings to solve it?';

'>>61554249
NTA but I'd rather have speed to help to deal with drop with heavier .22 cal pellets. And let's do some quick math with my favorite pellets; we'll assume 14.3gr Crosman Hollowpoint .22 cal. With 700 feet per second, you're getting 15.5 foot pounds of power which is great power for squirrels and quite deadly. I wouldn't go much lower, maybe 6-7 foot pounds with .22, though you can hunt them up close down to ~4 with .177 but I don't really recommend it unless you're a good shot and know what you're doing and when not to take a shot. With 400fps in .22 cal, you're getting only 5 foot pounds! That's pretty bad and the drop is going to be nuts. That's a little more power than a Daisy 880 makes. I really only shot within 35yds with .177 (Daisy 880, Crosman 760, other pumps) and that was 7.9gr at about 500fps(?). I have a 1377 that has a little more power/speed and the drop at 50yds is like 13" at least, zeroed for ~25ft.
https://www.pyramydair.com/widgets/';

'>>61554321
thanks for putting numbers behind my broscience reasons.';

'>>61554233
also just double checked gamo's website for the specs and...

>400 feet per second (fps) with PBA Platinum

that's not even with lead pellets. so you will get around 200-300 fps with lead. That's abysmal';

'>>61554301
Was on lunch and in a hurry with the first, decent sized male, gave to dog. I'd already ate when I got the 2nd and it was a bit small to bother with so doggo got. I have 2 big dogs that I spoil alot with squirrel and collard.';

'>>61554305
>What exactly do I look for when addressing this problem. I only understand it when I'm looking down the rifle. Do I want higher scope rings to solve it?
If anything, lower scope rings if possible (if your scope will still be able to fit and not touch the rifle anywhere). You can't really remove that big scope riser rail Gamo put on the Swarms to deal with the bad (too low) comb height as it's a "RRR (Recoil Reducing Rail): Developed to subdue the taxing stresses placed on your scope from the intense recoil of air guns and high-powered rifles" which I assume means it's unwise to remove...maybe unless you have a good air rifle rated scope. How it's been solved before is by putting screws in the stock and putting an adjustable cheek riser on it (see any of these made of kydex with the knobs to tighten them xxxxx ) or simply by using sponge, rags, paper towels, shirts, burlap, or whatever you can think of to form an improvised cheek riser and wrap it in medical tape, athletic tape, electrical tape, or whatever other semi-flexible and stretchy tape you can think of that would be appropriate. It looks like hell but it's a lot less permanent and can be done to plastic stocks and reversed without a single mark remaining in case it needs to go back for warranty work or a return. Even the US military has, at times, done it. Most generic close up Wikipedia image I could pull from Google.';

'>>61554286
>>61554321
>>61554336
I only shoot these things at 10 or 15 yards.
As for the Daisy 880, that's the cheap piece I've got lying around.
It was too much of an inconvenience to use.
When I did use it, it always took down squirrels quickly.
At worst, they'd spasm for a second or two after getting hit.

If there are any other pistol recommendations besides the P900 coming close to the features I want, let me know.';

'>>61554415
What makes you say that?';

'>>61549438
anyone know where to get "cheap" metal iron sights for a dovetail rail and clamp on front.
got one of the scope only pelletguns the included scope was trash.
it didnt come with sights.';

'>>61554330
YW; I always like real world examples and numbers. I have a tiny amount of air rifle data to go off of but at least it's something. When I get a chronograph I think I'm going to start making whole spreadsheets to see what kind of real world power and speed these air rifles get rather than remembering data from several forum posts with potentially modern or vintage air rifles with no clarification. I was really surprised to see that 400fps .22 cal would barely make more power than a Daisy 880! That's like 0.5-1 foot pound more! Might be what my Gamo mod 68 .22 makes and those pellets drop like a rock, almost red ryder-tier! But that thing needs some work so maybe it's even slower.';

'So maybe I want to buy a PCP what special equipment do I need to charge at home? Or where do you even get them charged?';

'>>61554083
Huben';

'>>61554540
Air source, hand pump or compressor. Canfind cheap hand pumps on Amazon 60-80, air venturi and other brand names in the game will want 100-200 for their pumps. That's about it for necessary equipment.';

'>>61554566
I heard I will want to die if I use a hand pump';

'Is Umarex a Diana subsidiary or something? I was thinking about getting a Diana 350 Magnum to replace my Gamo Swarm Magnum.

Does anyone know where I can get one on sale?';

'>>61554609
Depends on how much air the gun holds and max pressure. If up to 3000 psi or so a hand pump gets something like a marauder done in 5 or 6 minutes or so IME, my pp700 I can fill in probably under 2.5 minutes, both fill to 3000 psi, but have different sized air tubes. Tubes that hold less air are generally much easier to hand pump. Your results will vary gun to gun. I don't think it's bad at all hand pumping for a long time now but am reasonably in shape. I don't ever plan on buying a compressor unless I get guns that fill to higher pressures, they're nice but I just like to keep it simple.';

'Is the 3622 really worth it or should I just get a 362? I would get the steel receiver upgrade either way';

'>>61554825
I got the pump and gun for about $175, pretty nice shooter for what you get. Decent power and very lightweight, you get closer to 30-35 shots. Open sights are really all I care to shoot lately though I do have some with steel breeches and scopes. That said, I have x5 362s and x2 3622s and if I could only have one, Id pick the standard pumper. Just seems more capable if you were out in the field or didn't have a hand pump with you. But I think it's an amazing platform and pump guns are so nice.
https://youtu.be/8YQU2WUXIOA?si=q9AzhTRnbp9smEru';

'>>61554812
link to the hand compressor you recommend and use?';

'>>61554714';

'What .22 or .25 break barrel small game hunting air rifle would you all recommend? I need no magazine (to malfunction and complicate things unnecessarily to wit) and a compensator of some sort since I will be backyard shooting rodentia with it. With a price range of 200-599. Also bonus points for deals or even manufacturer refurbished if its a S-class tier maker.';

'>>61554609
depends of the tank size of the gun, above 250cc it gets very tiring to fill a gun manually.

personally i'm already very invested in PCPs and I've got two tanks (one 2L and other 9L) and a Coltri compressor, sure all in it was like $4000 but it's like having your own powder factory for your muzzle-loader that only uses electricity, I wanna invest on casting equipment now for making my own slugs.';

'>>61555546
Hmm, interesting. I just want to kill some rodents in my backyard so going full send on pcp isn't really my battleplan. But thanks for that perspective. I will keep this in my mind when I do.';

'>>61555191
I use a air venturi one that costs a bit too much for a simple pump imo. I'd try to find something more inexpensive with good reviews.';

'>>61555537
You don't need .25 for rodents. A .22 will be good enough.';

'>>61554120
Gamos are not "made" in Spain. They are "assembled" in Spain and the parts used during assembly are Chinese manufacture. It is why Gamo has some of the shittiest quality control around.';

'>>61555867
>>61555867
>shittiest quality control around.
CAN CONFIRM';

'>>61555842
>>61555867
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KNB0AL0

Is this a good rifle?';

'>>61555867
Can confirm, just recieved a viper express, barrel is slightly crooked lmao.';

'>>61555891
Haven't used it personally, but from what I have read it is so so. I am out of the US so I cannot see the Amazon price listing but over here it is the equivalent of $300. If you are paying close to that price it would not be my first choice, but it will do the job that you want it to do. Personally I would recommend scouting around for a nicely serviced 2nd hand pellet rifle as I think you would get more bang for your buck price wise.';

'>>61555891
>>61555940
In addition if there are any available I would heavily recommend trying to get your hands on a HW50 through H90 model Weihrauchs. Those break barrels are solid and accurate and should fall within your price range but some come with and without compensators.';

'>>61555891
>Umarex
They make some real junk, or at least used to, IIRC. They're probably capable of quality but they make so much super cheap stuff, or used to, that I really don't want to recommend them. Everything has this weird tacticool futuristic plastic crap look that seems to try to distract from plastic quality or whatever. Also is that rail just kind of molded into a piece of plastic that's press fit around the receiver? Man not only are those slots going to be a nightmare to clean and oil (blued steel underneath) but water is going to get between the plastic and steel and I would not trust a rail to hold zero which seems to have little to no solid attachment to the receiver but that's just me.

>>61555912
WTF happened to Gamo QC? First anon's mechanism jumping the track, now you? Like seriously my Swarm has been nothing but great; maybe it was made before Covid...';

'>>61554931
whats the middle wooden one?';

'>>61556208
Looks like a Crosman 362.';

'>>61556549
no the 2 other ones with wood stocks look like crosman 362s. the middle one looks like something else';

'>>61556606
Ah fuck that's the Benjamin (Crosman) modern version of the Sheridan Blue Streak I think, gimme a minute.';

'>>61556606
Either a Benjamin 392 or 397?';

'>>61556644
yeah that looks like it';

'>>61554609
Sort of, a pcp hand pump isn't as bad as trying to use a bike pump. You'd survive, I get nearly 200 shots on a fill anyway though I have a pretty weak 22 cal pcp as regs here are silly. If you are near any paintball or airsoft stores they might be willing to fill it.
Some pcp guns can't unscrew the bottle without air immediately rushing out, meaning they would need to fill it with the gun still attached. Don't think most would care but if that was the case, put that shit on safe unlock the bolt etc. when asking them to fill it as airsoft/paintball people usually don't know muzzle or trigger discipline lol
Although some pcp guns can detach the bottle with no issues and an airsoft store should be able to fill it for like $5 or less no issues';

'>>61554714
Umarex is not a manufacturer. They are a licensing and branding company, for pellet guns, bb guns, and airsoft. Umarex has the rights to a lot of trade marks for replicas, so their usual shtick is taking guns from a different OEM and putting beretta/Colt/FN whatever trademarks on it. Even for their unbranded guns, I believe they are still not an actual OEM and just rebrand. This means some Umarex guns are fine and some are trash, gotta figure out the real OEM.';

'>>61556132
>WTF happened to Gamo QC? First anon's mechanism jumping the track, now you? Like seriously my Swarm has been nothing but great; maybe it was made before Covid...
Gamo has ALWAYS been shit. Their main "good rifle" is the Swarm itself for its unique loading feed and is the main line of defence I always hear from people who say "oh Gamo is not that bad anymore anon". But ignoring fact that even the Swarm's quality is spotty in some areas, Gamo has had the reputation of having shitty build quality when compared to other manufactures within the low price market for so long it is a trope within airgun scenes that Gamo is shit.

>>61557444
This.';

'>>61556132
>>61557444
I ordered it anyways last night before you all had a chance to reply. It's through amazon so A-Z guaranteed. Thanks for the replies. I will report back on build quality and toughness. I'm pretty rough on my stuff I think.
Also amazon did a funny thing to get me a return on it. Since it wasn't return eligible through the original vendor. They said they would buy the same rifle from another seller and then return mine for a full refund. First time I have heard of CS doing this.';

'>>61554543
It's made in China though.';

'>>61558129
Have you looked at edgun? I'm thinking those are not made In china';

'>>61549438
Uh oh. Bout to go watch rat culling videos again.';

'God damn does ammo make a difference. Using the Daisy pointed vs Gamo Red tip. I was having trouble hitting chipmunks, but just got one right through the heart. Did a little back flip too.';

'Has anyone tried the pellets with boom juice from Ed?';

'>>61557594
IDK; Gamo has always been lower end, sure, but back in ~1980, Gamo's Mod 68 was a decent alternative to the more expensive British break barrels, or so I hear. Also good bluing but the plastic "wood" panels on the stock and the front sight blade leave something to be desired (durability). Hefty and solid as a fucking rock though. That ~2010 era was rough for Gamo. I'm hoping they're kind of pulling out of that.
>Just by knowing that small fact you can buy their airguns (they will all say El Gamo on them) with confidence, knowing that in their day both the late Robert Law of the now-defunct Air Rifle Headquarters and Robert Beeman who founded Beeman Precision Airguns, thought they were a quality European brand at an affordable price. The El Gamo 300 breakbarrel was highly touted by both men.';

'>>61558696
What ever made you think that anon? Gee, I don't see any hints to where it was made and developed or anything.
>contact links on their site are Telegram numbers
LOL';

'i know in the US the focus is more on making firearms than airguns, but is there some anon building airguns around ?';

'>>61557594
I don't know man, I've a Gamo 440 for about six months now and there's nothing wrong with it. It has the "Gamo trigger" (long soft travel with no clean break) and fiber optic sights but QC-wise there's nothing wrong with it at all. The stock is great for me. Paid around 230€ for it including scope, which is really all right (3-9x40) and not the plastic one other anons are talking about, might be an U.S. thing. I like it a lot, would recommend for a budget airgun.';

'>>61561207
They claim the leshiy 2 is made in the USA, idk';

'>>61555940
It's only $180.00';

'I keep reading reviews that say X type of ammo blows out Y gun's noise suppression device in the first couple shots. What's happening there? Are they defective and what's the common theme besides the equipment similarities.';

'>>61549476
Looks good
>>61554459
Any gun that doesn't come with sights is pretty much a no for me. I've bought some Williams peep sights but they're expensive
>>61556549
Ya, they're pretty nice
>>61556644
Yup, 392. It could probably benefit from better sights but the all brass construction is neat
>>61561345
Why? Lots of people in the US enjoy and tinker with airguns. They're interesting.';

'>>61549438
A airgun thread that reaches the bump limit? A thread about weapons? Is the board healing?';

'>>61563726
Very cool webley. the webley revolvers are neat too.';

'>>61563726
I wish they still made these';

'>>61564071
Honestly a modern remake sold like the set back in the day with the 3 barrels would be awesome. Sucks these webley rifles are so rare now.';

'>>61563789
Yup';

'Any toughts on the umarex 10/22?';

'>>61564374
GOT HIM o7';

'Complete noob here, what is the airgun equivalent of the ruger 10/22? Not in terms of look but in terms of quality to price, whenever one wants a reliable plinking gun they usually get the 10/22 no question, which airgun would this be?';

'>>61564542
there would be nothing left if he'd shot it with the webley';

'>>61564558
Really ? those webley mk replica pistols were around about 500 fps. If you mean a real webley pistol sure I agree, but I'm thinking that's the air pistol replica since it's being posted in a airgun thread with a dead rat that doesn't look like it got shot with a actual bullet.';

'>>61564556
You'll get different answers from different people. I'd suggest a good condition used weihrauch hw50 - 90 if budget is a comstraint, whatever you find a good deal on. 22 imo';

'>>61564558
>>61564594
It's a .22 Pellet gun. De-brains rats, rabbits & pigeons nicely';

'>>61564766
Yep, was thinking so. They make a decent variety of webley replica pellet pistols and have been a fan of them for some time. I've read users on forums say they are really only good for plinking but your picture shows otherwise, can they take a pigeon at 10 yards or so ?';

'>>61564785
If he's sat still and oblivious, then yes. Pellet choice is important, and there's a sweet spot about halfway through a canister where it hits dead on. I mostly use it for finishing off after a shot with the rifle, though pictured rat was all the webley';

'>>61564849
Very cool. These being co2 was the only reason I never got one, even though they would be cool just to have and fuck around with.';

'>>61564876
It is indeed a lot of fun to fuck around with. Surprisingly durable too, it's seen some shit & still functions flawlessly';

'best airgun pistol under 300 euros to somewhat accurate plinking?';

'>>61564511
bump';

'>>61565291
The Beeman P17 is a super cheap clone of the P1, a $300 German target gun. It's actually good quality with a nice trigger. Only thing I had to change out after a while was the cheap O rings on it. Crosman 1377 or 2240s are also nice. Depends what you're after really.
>>61564511
Buy one if you like it, it's a cheap plinker similar to a 1077
>>61564766
Nice looking pistol, I only see 177 available now though';

'Just plinking at 10 yards seated unsupported in the basement. Honestly surprised by the Vantage NP, it's probably my most powerful airgun just using the plastic fiber optic sights, not bad. Don't shoot it as much but always thought springers/NP were supposed to be a bit less accurate.
Also getting better with the 3622, the gun is so lightweight it feels like it's easy to pull a shit sometimes with the trigger pull.';

'>>61566485
Meant pull a *shot* : )';

'Bump';

'>>61566485
yeah always thought springers and nps were shit inaccurate unless you got a fancy European model but i can consistently hit the smallest spinner at 30yds if i put some effort breathing right and being consistent with the hold with my vantage np. might take it hunting someday instead of my pcps, to see if i can bag something with it';

'>>61557444
It says Umarex is the manufacturer';

'Two things:
1. Why is it the longer I focus on the front sight and take a slower trigger pull the worse my shot is? I do better taking my shoy quicker and not really focusing on the front sight. I shoot more on "feel" than perfect sight picture and alignment. It's bizarre. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
2. My rear trigger screw on my HW30s backs out every 50-100 rounds and it's pissing me the hell off. 5,500 pellets shot total. So much for German quality... Is a dab of blue loctite appropriate ?';

'>>61568914
Yeah blue loctite should take care of that wandering screw.';

'>>61568914
Practice trigger pull independently. Look up the dime/washer drill and practice it until you can get a good break every shot. After you have muscle memory then work on sight picture. If you break it down like that then you'll have less to think about when you actually shoot. As for front sight focus, it seems to me to have a less prominent effect with notch style sights. With peep sights it's very noticeable and more intuitive.';

'>>61558696
>>61561207
>>61561495
It says made in Russia right on the receiver.
I'd go for it, but it's a jump from $65 for the Gamo to $2,500+
Aren't there any decent midrange options?';

'>>61568914
look at Olympic 10m pistol/rifle shooters, they don't aim for a whole lot, they take like 3-5 sec to aim, and if they don't shoot, they lower the gun, rest and then aim again. There's a certain cadence on bringing up your gun, a sort of up and down oscillation that allows you to aim without shaking, once you reach the still position, you start shaking. idk there's probably instructional videos from Olympic shooters on it, but it's something I've been able to develop intuitively thru the years.

>>61570812
Tons of decent mid-range PCPs, from the avenger to the new FX DMS.';

'>>61568914
Looks like a nice gun to me, maybe add a little loc tite, I've certainly done that before.
Is that a laminate stock?';

'>>61570812
Select models are advertised as made in usa now iirc. Most options in-between those price points are going to be made in china, or have parts made in china then assembled elsewhere, unfortunately. There truly is some decent Chinese stuff nowadays though imo.';

'>>61571172
I thinks it's a solid beechwood stock. It is a nice gun I've just had various teething issues. I'd recommend it to anyone but I'm not expert as it's my first air rifle.';

'>>61558696
>>61561207
>>61561495
Why aren't you guys recommending the Weihrauch HW44?
It looks perfect aside from it being out of my budget for this purchase.

>>61570995
>the avenger
Chinese.
>FX DMS
Thanks for turning me on to them.
I wasn't familiar with the brand.

>>61571290
>Select models are advertised as made in usa now iirc
Any pistols or are they all carbines and rifles?

>There truly is some decent Chinese stuff nowadays though imo
I don't doubt it.
It's just a personal preference.';

'>>61555891
It's coming a day early';

'>>61571477
>I wasn't familiar with the brand

Among PRS/NRL22 Air Rifle class competitors, like 90% of them use FX rifles, they're a pretty big deal in the "high-end" sphere, the FX DRS (not DMS, my mistake) is their new "mid-end" offering. There's also the FX Dreamline that has been in the market for many years. If you don't care about slugs or super high power, it might be an option too.';

'>>61573612
Let us know how you like it
>>61564374
Nice shot';

'>>61573823
I will be using the fuck out of it for the first 30 days. I have 10+ different ammo to feed it too';

'my hatsan 95 arrived today lads
so far so good, tested by shootin off the tops of dandy lions';

'>>61574874
I bet it's pretty quiet';

'Just got a Hatsan model 95 and I like it.';

'>>61574874
Hatsan 95 bros';

'Tried out the gimmicky gamo viper express, had it for a few days now Took a house sparrow at 10 yards with the shot shell but haven't tried anything else. Have some .22 16 grain round lead balls otw to try through it, since it's a smoothebore I hope they do good. I hear reloading shells Isn't great for these but I'll try that eventually too. I received it with the barrel slightly off center to the reciever so pyramyd agreed to replace. If the next one I get is the same way then I'm gonna just refund it. Chronograph showed low 600s with shotshells and low 700s with jts 18.8 wadcutters. Low fps for some but pretty ok for a backyard id say. Very quiet air rifle. Should hit close to the advertised 750 with the 16 grain round ball.';

'>>61568914
Could be fatigue in your arms, nerves/mental block/frustration, distraction. As another commenter said Olympic shooters are surprisingly quick and hold in such a way that their bones are basically holding the rifle, otherwise your arms will start to micro shake too quickly. The more you're focusing on your sight might also be frustrating you a bit, not raging of course, but when you get properly aligned and then your sight wanders again, you mentally tunnel vision on aligning that sight and focus on trigger pull goes out the window.

I have the same problem with my breath and noticing the wind. The longer I'm stuck trying to align my sight the more likely I am to shoot while inhaling or during a wind gust because I'm oblivious. There is a true skill to knowing when to just take the shot in a competition setting because you know waiting any longer will be detrimental. You also see this in trap and skeet because the target is getting further the longer you wait, good shooters know when to take a shot with subpar aim because waiting longer to align properly will actually make it worse

> A /k/ thread where we actually talk about shooting? What? PK88';

'Cheapies';

'>>61578698
I think the 880 looks better';

'got to say amazon has the best customer service';

'>>61580531
I wasn't crazy about the look of the pump handle but got it last year and between it and the Legacy 1000 I'd take the 880. Just wish I'd tried it earlier back when they were $40, would have bought a couple. My AM77 / 2100 seems nicer than the Legacy which my main gripe is the noisy pumping.';

'>>61573612
they lied, but I'm not mad';

'Does Beeman actually make anything or do they just import Chinese guns?';

'>>61576598
how loud is it?';

'>>61549473
/felon/ x /yurop/
Yes, we cucks.';

'>>61581873
Their returns are awesome for sure.';

'Received this 2x20 MIJ tasco yesterday. Old scope but free of any significant scratches or damage, glass is clear and crisp. Eye relief is very nice but exit pupil is of course a bit tight the farther you go. Zeroed in and shooting great in the usual 10-20 yards I use this gun in. This is the third optic I've tried on this pistol and probably my favorite set up for it yet. Only complaint is the scope is a glossy black and the pistol is more flat.';

'>>61585137
yes, that's exactly what I was talking about too';

'>>61585311
I have a similar Tasco with a more rounded look. Tasco Bantam 2.5x. Been considering putting it on a 9mm PCC when I get one but idk. Does yours have that weird circle around the crosshair too?';

'>>61585964
Mine is a standard duplex reticle. I almost bought a 1.25x-4x tasco instead, but the listing sold right before I decided to jump on it. Just as well, the 2x20 was less than half the price at 60 dollars plus shipping on ebay. Here's a shaky shit pic of the reticle on mine. Like alot of long eye relief scopes this one performs not so great in indoor lighting, very clear and crisp outside though. Will post a better picture later maybe. Interested in seeing the reticle you're talking about.';

'Do you prefer shooting with optics or open sights? I prefer irons since airguns are usually close range';

'>>61587309
My targets (chipmunks) require them. At least with these eyes. They blend in really well, I also use a pair of binoculars to scout them out before hand.';

'>>61587309
I have options for both with my actual firearms and my airguns. I enjoy shooting with and without optics and feel like its helpful to practice both. If this pp700 came with usable irons I really would have left it at that.';

'>>61587309
Scopes. Then again I'm in >>61587340's boat needing glasses for distance. Add on to that being a squirrel hunter with pellets and 22s and I really need a scope. Though hunting in general is nice to have some magnification unless maybe you're hunting deer under 75yds or using a shotgun.';

'>>61587309
I think it'd be enjoyable to shoot with a red dot but use a 4-16x, the hardest targets at our matches are about 1 inch round at 55 yards. 16x is the max, some people go with a 10x or so.
Could probably get more scope for your money going with a 10x but the market is so skewed towards 4-16 here anyway and they were the most plentiful online.';

'>>61584911
not him but i have a hatsan 95 QE (.25 cal) and i think its not too bad in the sound department';

'>>61589570
Have you ever chrony'd yours ?';

'>>61584911
I would also like more info on this. I have a neighbor like a 1/2 acre away from me. My hw30 is quiet and not bothersome but I'd like something with some more oomphf and in .22';

'>>61589707
I'd try something like this. https://gamousa.com/product/whisper-fusion-mach-1-22-caliber-no-scope-manufacturer-refurbished/

Gamo has the best knockdown power (IGT MACH 33mm or whatever gas piston) and has really quiet noise suppression tech. And it doesn't have the reloading mechanism to fail. Just get one without the scope because you will want to replace it anyways. The replacement scope should be air rifle rated or high powered rifle rated.

Just don't bother with the 10shit magazine, its a gimmick.';

'I'm gonna try to build one, don't think they're in production anymore. (Except maybe for Europe?)';

'>>61568914
>2. My rear trigger screw on my HW30s backs out every 50-100 rounds and it's pissing me the hell off. 5,500 pellets shot total. So much for German quality... Is a dab of blue loctite appropriate ?
H95 fag here. All the screws backed out all hte fucking time. I used blue loctite and overtightened slightly, and now they don't move anymore. Fucking retarded that this is necessary.';

'>>61593466
HW95*
hte*
Sorry, I'm mad.';

'>>61593466
How old Is it? Pretty common thing on alot of air guns after a while. If it's on one that's less than a year old that's annoying though.';

'>>61592439
Well, I placed the parts orders through Crosman. Ended up costing more probably than if I bought one off the shelf but should be cool.';

'>>61594892
Nice anon. Pls post when it's built. How much did it run ?';

'>>61584911
That’s actually kind of a tough question to answer because it’s pretty subjective but I would say “not too bad”—certainly quieter than a typical.22';

'>>61589707
If you’re a half acre away I don’t think you’re going to disturb your neighbors with the hatsan unless he has super bat hearing or something.';

'>>61595133
Will the whole neighborhood hear if I'm shooting it in my backyard?';

'>>61590116
Thanks for the link I will consider it. I assume this rifle would require less trouble shooting than the hatsan? After tinkering with so many guns I've had enough troubleshooting and bullshit I don't want any project air guns';

'>>61594945
Well... I'm not proud to say it was around $92 + $10 shipping for the parts I needed. The cheapest build would have been a 2240 on sale (Amazon has them for $38 on Prime day) then the tube, barrel, etc separate. A lot of the parts are cheap $1-2 which is fine if you only need a few small things, but some make you scratch your head. The 2250 was discontinued in the US around 2010 as far as I can tell, there is a custom shop 2400 but I guess it's lucky they would sell me the parts at all. I just wanted one for the collection. Another head scratcher gun is what they're billing as the current 2289 backpacker with fake carbon fiber but charging around $150. That you could build much cheaper plus the new ones don't even have the good pump handle .';

'>>61589673
no i aint got a chronograph and i am too cheap to buy one';

'>>61597150
Well that's not so bad man especially if you're going for a collection, and the process will be fun.

In other news, another skynigra today. Been pretty barren except the usual cardinals, robins, crows, Jay's, etc, (which I absolutely don't mess with), not even any squirrels out for days now. This one's for the dog, she really wants it.';

'>>61595500
Wow, I really don’t know—how dense is your neighborhood? I shoot on my 3 acres—my neighbors are all a quarter mile away from me. It’s likely that they will hear your targets ringing more than any report from the rifle.';

'What should I get if I'd like to practice general handgun marksmanship in my backyard? Some of them look pretty funky. I thought about getting a CO2 BB gun modeled after my handgun, but I have no idea if it shoots straight.
Should I just stick with rifles?';

'>>61597857
>>61565604
Walmart used to carry the P17 for $35, it's considered a gem among many who shoot it for its crisp 2 stage target trigger. Still available but I forgot Walmart went woke and stopped carrying anything pistol related including airguns. In fact, that probably was a dagger to Crosman losing their key account for air pistols -might have contributed to them being ultimately bought out...';

'>>61598782
Thanks, anon. You'd recommend that over the similarly priced Crossman?';

'>>61565291
>>61598998
There's different pros and cons on all of them, that's why I've got both';

'>>61599093
Thanks, fren.';

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'Ive never owned an air rifle besides and old break barrel slug gun from the 70s but have been getting a bush rat explosion and my dogs dont get nearly enough of them.


Any recommendations for one of these semi auto mag fed air rifles? Im going to beat it up to hell and back so doesn't have to be nice, cheaper and good enough is better.';

'>>61600046
I'd reccomend a bolt or lever pcp, preferably used so can stay between 150-300. It'll be much easier on the budget than a semi and you can still have a magazine and decent rate of fire and power. If budget isn't a big deal could check out stuff like aea sf, marauder semi, hatsan semis, huben, and other options. There's alot more choices imo in bolts/levers in a more affordable price range that will do what you need. I reccomend the pcp over co2, easier to keep always ready and very consistent shots, high power. Depending on your needs there may be some bolt pcps for as little as 170$ that may fit the bill for you. As always with ANY airgun, please read other user reviews of any given model on air gun forums, store reviews, etc.';

'>>61600046
>Any recommendations for one of these semi auto mag fed air rifles?
what's your price range?';

'I got a Williams sight and some new pellets in the mail today';

'>>61604464
Nice anon. Get it put on anything yet?';

'pump';

'After browsing this thread and some online retailers, I now want a Seneca Wing.
Holy shit.
>9mm mass at 9mm velocity
>Arrows
>Shotshells are whatever
The Dragon Claw looks neat, too, but seems heavy for what it is.';

'>>61606778
I swear there used to be a video of some Euros shooting skeet in a massive building with the Seneca. Can't find it at all right now. Seems neat but man there's times I feel even actual shotguns don't reach far enough lol.';

'>>61606817
Ngl, anon, I'd prefer a Dragon Claw with a single tank. I probably wouldn't ever make use of the shotshells in an airgun, but I like being able to sling something equivalent to 9mm with the ability to sling arrows at speeds that'd make $4k crossbows drool.';

'Returned that shit gamo viper express. So inconsistent with the shot shells. Would have been fun if it could consistently take squirrel at 10 yards but that isn't the case unfortunately.';

'>>61556644
Had someone steal one of these when I worked at academy. Idk how he did it, shits like four feet long. Probably just stuck it down a pant leg and stiff legged it out the store.';

'>>61607138
Have you tried different ammo? my swarm magnum loves the red fire's by them. With the daisy pointed I get 2in groups at 25 yards. With the red fire I get sub moa at the same distance.';

'How long does it take to fill a 4500 psi tank with a hand pump?';

'>>61599819
It occurs to me that the valve designs on the P17 and 880 are very similar yet the Beeman has a much nicer trigger. Imagine if Daisy revamped their rifle and gave it a crisp light 2 stage trigger...
>>61605348
Not sure yet, probably one of my Crosmans';

'>>61608057
I tried it with .22 lead round ball as it's a smoothe bore and those did best. Also shot jsb 18 Grain domes, jts wadcutters, and jsb hades. It did pretty well for just a front bead sight shooting targets at 10 and 15 yards... but I bought it to use the meme shot shells bc I saw some ytuber taking rabbits with it from 5-10 yards. The shot shells are wildly inconsistent. Sometimes you will get a decent 8" spread at 10 yards, but usually it's just a uneven spray that's very inconsistent. Fps ranged from 490-605 shooting the shot shells. Actual pellets got atleast 700 - 750 typically. Might be fun to shoot water balloon skeet or something with the shotshells but pretty useless for me, just bought as a 5-10 yard collard/squirrel gun intending to only use shot shells with it and it didn't get it done, shooting pellets from the adapter Is ok but I have other .22 air guns that will just always shoot better, so I took the refund. I didn't try reloading any shells. if the factory ones were that bad I just didn't want to bother. They have 19-25 #9 shot in them. Anything I shot just carried on like it didn't get shot whatsoever. after a few attempts I decided it's not capable of consistent clean kills, even on a squirrel. I'm sure with some luck on the spread I'd be successful eventually but that sort of thing doesn't sit well with me. Gimmick imo, but had to try it.
>>61608407
Bit too long, I would invest in a compressor for guns that fill to 4500. Filling up to 3000 isn't bad imo with a hand pump but the higher the pressure the more of a chore hand pumping is.';

'>>61608650
lesson learned, make sure to thank God for b3zo lol';

'>>61608542
Where the hell did you find that diagram? Putting my 880 back together was hell.';

'>>61606778
those wingshots do look fun as all hell
would love one for pigeon/dove/crow etc hunting for giggles';

'>>61609235
shotgun air rifles are a meme';

'>>61609377
i dont care';

'>>61609235
>>61609377
>Use the shotshells to hunt birds to make fletchings for the arrows you're making
As long as you're taking down an invasive or pest birb, or just don't give a fuck, it looks like a fabulous camping boredom solver.';

'>>61609444
>>61609383
you obviously don't care that you will end up maiming the creatures you hunt most of the time and will need to follow up. and that's if you even hit it.';

'>>61609461
nah youre just retarded and probably brown lmao';

'>>61609461
I care about that a lot, I was assuming that the power behind it would make it an ethical takedown.';

'>>61609483
its is powerful enough for clean takedowns hes just wrong and gay';

'>>61609492
how about learning how to actually shoot instead of relying on brute force to compensate for your lack of skill.';

'>>61609498
how about you try not being brown';

'>>61609507
>ad homo';

'There are some examples of air shot guns now pushing 400-500 fpe, like from PPBS. maybe one day some decent affordable air shotguns will come out.';

'>>61609838
sounds like bullshit';

'Test';

'>>61610984
Sorry, meant PBBA, not pbbs. The pbba pro 20 shotgun is indeed a 20 gauge air shotgun pushing 450-500 fpe... airguns that push these much foot pounds usually all suffer the same drawback though, only a few shots per airfill. The PBBA pro 20 gets 3 shots per airfill. There are much higher FPE airguns than these PBBA. just one example, the AEA Zeus in .72 can push about 1500 fpe with 850 grain slugs... I have no need for anything like these airguns but they do exist.';

'>>61612043
Crosman something or other?';

'Does anyone think the Daisy 880 Shadow might go on sale? I don’t want to pay $65 for it';

'>>61614283
>Daisy 880
I don't know if they are gonna go any cheaper t b h

here's the price history from amazon';

'>>61549438
>>>/toy/';

'>>61615928
>>>/lgbt/';

'>>61614283
Lol, since when did they start calling the black model the "shadow"?';

'>>61606778
Are these actually worth a shit?';

'>>61615834
Interesting data
>>61616335
I dunno, kinda dumb';

'>>61617413
They only push about 300 fpe or so...so use as a shotgun will be pretty limited.. Maybe worth a shit depending on how you plan to use it but I can't see it filling the role of a bird gun or anything better than a actual shotgun. User reviews state shells are good to 30-40 yards max, many users report much inaccuracy with slug/arrows, and it only gets 5 shots a air fill. For 800$ my opinion is not worth a shit. If it were 300 or 400 or less then maybe it'd be worth it's shortcomings.';

'Pump';

'>>61593833
It was brand new at the time';

'>>61615986
>>>/cope/';

'So .177 or .22 and at what velocity for squirrel? If I was looking for something for about 30 yard shots max.';

'>>61621294
.22 with 700-900+ with a lead pellet. Like a 15 grain. My gun loves Red Fire by Gamo. I wouldn't recommend mine the Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen3 though, it broke on the second day I had it. But something with the same internals and a single shot I would recommend, I can confirm it's effectiveness on your quarry.';

'>>61621353
Thanks';

'>>61621294
Ideally 15 foot pounds of power with either caliber; speed is highly variable depending on the weight of pellet you use and a lot of manufacturers use that to lie to your face. Pyramyd Air often has the foot pounds of power listing in their bulletpoints on air rifle listings as they test them for speed in-house and calculate the power through that. Though I lean towards .22 these days I've used both. You can go lower but that depends on a lot of things and I'd rather just recommend the lowest that's "easy" to shoot with. While I disagree with anon above about the Gamo, mine is a Gen 2 and not a "magnum" so maybe something happened between the generations. I like Crosman hollow point domed pellets. You can go fancier but IIRC they tend to need 15+ foot pounds to deform when you get into the crazier looking ones so even the domed hollowpoints don't do much in the way of mushrooming.

However, you can go for 7 foot pounds of power and still have a clean shot through a squirrel with a 1322 carbine and a steel breech kit for an additional $35 and PA will install it for you. Then all you need is a scope. I know the 1322 will go through as my 1377 went clean through on a test (read: already shot and stone dead) squirrel side-on, shot in chest.';

'>>61621951
I couldn't get as tight of groupings with Crossman pellets than with the Red Fires.';

'>>61622038
That really depends air rifle to air rifle much like normal ammo anon. Weight, design, lead composition/hardness, and quality each can play wildly different roles when shot at different speeds and in different brands of air rifles.';

'>>61622117
Yea the best method is buying a bunch and seeing what your gun likes. I have like 10+ types of
ammo, still haven't even tried the RWS superdome and PBA's I bought. Just fell in love with the Red Fires. They have been really good to me.';

'>>61592439
Was hoping today but parts should be here tomorrow';

'Too many pellet guns.
Not enough BB guns.';

'>>61622619
You have to be over 18 to post here anon';

'>>61622734
It's the truth. Every BB gun that comes out now is just a shitty Red Ryder clone or CO2 replica gun.';

'>>61622765
do some research on bb vs. pellet ballistic performance and you tell me why';

'>>61622619
Sorry anon I'll make an order so I can post pics of a $200 Red Ryder. Seriously though other than the Red Ryder what non-chinkshit BB gun exists which is STILL made? I have a Crosman 788 that's like a scaled down Crosman 760; BB only and a straight pull bolt to load&cock with a pump, but they're no longer made. None of them have shit for power and I wouldn't want them to have much power; ever get a ricochet off a 760 or 880 BB at 10 pumps? Fucking hurts. At least the lead pellets just flatten and lose most of their power instead of wrecking your shit.';

'No squirrels seen in the past 2 days.';

'i only have a 495fps break barrel, can i post here

>>61623510
>Seriously though other than the Red Ryder what non-chinkshit BB gun exists which is STILL made?
Crosman makes a million, Ruger has the Airhawk line some of which are compatible with BBs, and there's a gorillion Not-Airsoft licensed CO2 guns

>At least the lead pellets just flatten and lose most of their power instead of wrecking your shit.
I can speak from experience that pellets still bounce a fuckton if you hit anything hard. Just off a piece of plywood at ~20m, I took a ricochet to the forehead out of a Crosman something-or-other. It hurt enough that I stopped shooting for the day and resolved to pick up some safety glasses for next time.

get the pink daisy btw it's the siccest

>>61597857
literally any licensed CO2 gun. they're made to have the same dimensions as the real version. some even have weights in em to make the weight and balance at least close to correct';

'>>61623604
>still compatible
See I always think people saying "BB Guns" mean BB ONLY, not one that accepts both.
>I can speak from experience that pellets still bounce a fuckton if you hit anything hard. Just off a piece of plywood at ~20m, I took a ricochet to the forehead out of a Crosman something-or-other. It hurt enough that I stopped shooting for the day and resolved to pick up some safety glasses for next time.
Huh, I've never had a pellet bounce back. Yeah I've shot some steel that made them bounce up and land near me but never straight back like a BB at any considerable velocity. I took a BB and quickly switched to pellets and stopped shooting wood lol. Thank god my eyes suck because that means I always have some sort of protection for my eyes, even if it's not ideal.
>get the pink daisy btw it's the siccest
Lol. I have a normal Daisy and it's actually pretty okay for shooting lanternflies. I think I need more power than a Red Ryder though. A super short harmonica mag fed 760 might do the trick with flat nosed Crosman pellets (kinda like pic related) but man is it hard to find an air rifle with a mildly fucked up barrel to chop. And then I have to figure out the front sight situation again. I'm thinking something slick like this. Yes I know the 1377 exists but I'm hoping for a $5 beater here and the mag options for the 13xx are poor and expensive. Needs to be a sit-by-the-door and dump a handful of harmonica mags in your pocket type solution. I'd also take a Bug-A-Salt but again, $5 solution. Maybe I could do lead BBs with a beater 760 I have laying around (I have one in parts) but then I have to buy yet another type of pellet...';

'>>61623600
i got a rabbit on sunday
good eatin';

'>>61612950
>Discontinued
i bet israel is responsible for this';

'Got a cheap $28 chrony in the mail today, didn’t run a lot of strings just done preliminary tests at max pumps. Hope I don’t shoot it like my last one.

Legacy 1000- 750 FPS with 7.9 gr CPHP, 9.86
Daisy 880- 685 FPS with 7.9 gr, 8.22 ft/lb
362- 650 FPS with 14.3 gr CPHP, 13.41 Ft/lbs
(Have to convert from meters per sec)';

'>>61623784
I'm only doing it for pest control in my backyard. My dog eats them not me.';

'>>61623855
the 362 is respectable';

'>>61623855
>the legacy 1000 does nearly 10 FPE
>daisy 880 makes 8 FPE
wat
>Crosman (?) 362 makes a respectable 13 FPE
Huh. Have you tried it out with something known to see how calibrated it is? Like supersonic .22lr out of a 18" barrel or something. Maybe CCI Quiet too. I've always been told an 880 makes like 4 FPE everywhere I remembered looking so I'm astounded at these numbers lol.';

'>>61623855
Oh also if you have a 1377 you can compare your numbers to Pyramyd Air's to get a rough idea of whether it's calibrated. If those numbers are actually true my mind is fucking blown. Is that a modern 880 with a plastic receiver? Wonder if the numbers I saw floating around forums were just from an old worn out 880 in need of seals (and oil!).';

'>>61624273
>>61624286
More numbers-
>Beeman P17: 390 FPS
>1377: 541
>2240: 421
>AM77: 570
> Dif. 362: 643
Seems like it’s pretty close to me';

'Make fun of me as much as you want, but how brutal is killing a squirrel/rabbit/bird if your initial shot leaves them writhing? I'm interested in airgun hunting but would be limited to 11-ish ftlb with a 22 cal right now due to regs. I know with any hunting sometimes you gotta put them out of their misery. I grew up / still live in the country and spent a lotta time on the farms, dead animals isn't anything I really scoff at but I'm not sure I could handle looking them in the eye and breaking their neck or however its done.

What are your guys experiences? Can a sensitive person get past it or is it a prohibitive hurdle. My field target mentor says he wants me to shoot small game on his yard with him come fall';

'>>61625374
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the minimum for rabbit is 12fpe if memory serves right, you can do squirrel with 11 but anything bigger I would not recommend unless you can get something more powerful, which is suspect you arent american and thus cannot just order whatever you want online';

'>>61551985
What kinda air gun is that ?';

'>>61625445
Not proud of it by killed about 12 squirrels when I was in high school with my 1377, all head shots around 10 yards and had a scope. 177 can penetrate well if you have good shot placement. I reckon I did 12 pumps so maybe it shot 550 FPS at the muzzle and I remember liking the Gamo magnum pellets. Rabbits I’ve heard are weaker and prone to sudden heart attack, almost any well placed shot would probably be enough.';

'> Personally I've never given the fpe chart's a second thought or even looked at em. I spend the time studying the game that I hunt and yes that means checking out the result's of pellet damage to area's on the skull. There is a point to where certain airguns should not be used on certain game. I hunt with springers and some pumpers on smaller game and in that time with springers have learned the exact key spot or darn close to bring down the game. It's not just hitting the game in the head but hitting it in a small area that will do the most damage to the brain. I've heard of some saying but I hit it in the head and yes they did but not in the right spot. It's a learning process and did a bunch of homework on the game that I was looking to harvest. I'm not telling anyone to go out with their .177 midpowered airguns and be able to drop anything in the wood's but do your homework. Study your target and know your airgun like you know yourself and be darn comfortable with yourself and airgun when you put the cross hairs on the game cause some are tougher then they look and like any living thing the will to live is a powerful drug that can keep game moving when it should be down
Shadow would take game with pretty weak guns

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=27855.0';

'>>61625445
I believe I read somewhere that to the brain, a squirrel needs minimum 5 fpe... forgot up to what range that applies though..
>>61625497
It's a pp700. Ordered mine from krale. There's also a mag fed lever version with extendable wire stock, the pp750. Iron sights that come on these two models suck ass just letting you know.
>>61625374
You should be fine with proper shot placement, but probably not anything too far away.';

'>>61625374
>Make fun of me as much as you want, but how brutal is killing a squirrel/rabbit/bird if your initial shot leaves them writhing?
It's pretty brutal when you have to chase them down and put another kill shot in them. But it awakens the hunter in you when you are doing it. Then you just get used to it and put an extra in the off switch and its over.>>61625374
>11-ish ftlb with a 22 cal
It's not ideal since I recommend 700-900+ fps
but you gotta run what will be allowed so its enough to murk a squirrel at least.
>pic related with a 15 grain pellet
You can play with the numbers at https://www.pyramydair.com/widgets/
>not sure I could handle looking them in the eye and breaking their neck or however its done.
that's not how it's done, you put a shot in the back of their heads. also known as the off switch. you want to sever the brain stem basically. sorry I had to write it out, i know that's upsetting to some people.
>Can a sensitive person get past it
It's not recommended for you, so I would recommend a professional trapper. But if you want to go the frugal way than do it yourself and grow a thicker skin. These are nuisance animals that damage land and property causing untold expenses and medical bills, you are doing a service to your neighborhood taking them out. Also if squirrels didn't have fluffy looking tails they would look like what they really are, rats. Animal Class: Rodentia. And all the stuff that comes with that type of animal, not excluding them being black plague carriers and ever growing teeth so they need to chew on something hard, like wires and structural building materials.

tl;dr: Fuck rodents you are doing a good thing';

'>>61625374
Practice practice practice, get good at accuracy, learn what your max distance is for field accuracy (not from a bench with a rest, etc), and don't shoot further than that until you improve to have a new max distance. Your max distance may be something super short like 30 feet at first but it will get to be longer in time; the shorter the distance the easier it is to catch up with game and watch where it falls whether it did die in one shot or not as well. You will get used to shooting game but also you'll learn when to and not to take a shot. The most important thing you can do is learn where the vitals are on an animal and how to access them from various angles and be able to visualize where to shoot to access them. That takes a lot of time and if you just aren't comfortable with a shot then don't take it! Just about tied with that is your accuracy; doesn't matter if you can shoot accurately if you don't hit vitals and doesn't matter if you know where vitals are if you can't hit them. Doesn't matter if you have to make some "realistic" targets for small game like they do for deer (see: foam deer vitals targets for bows) to practice and see what looks good, whatever works.

Pic related shows where the heart is roughly on squirrels off the top of my head. The stomach is way further forward in the chest than you'd ever think so I tend to hug the arm bone. I mostly hunt with .22lr these days so I can punch right through an arm bone and give up the meat from the upper portion of the arm but you'd probably have to try to sneak by it due to the lower power. Whether you're good or not I also highly suggest some form of shooting sticks. Yes they can be awkward but they give you a great amount of stability.';

'>>61625374
Also I'm assuming being sub 12 foot pound you're in the UK. Here's also a good side on shot placement for grey squirrels, though I'd probably send it further back towards the ear by about 3mm or so. Base of the ear is the common saying. Also watch a lot of this guy and mentally note shot placement; he's in the same boat as you with sub 12 foot pound air rifles and shows shots good and bad:
https://www.youtube.com/@SquirrelHunter/videos

>>61625602
>Rabbits I’ve heard are weaker and prone to sudden heart attack, almost any well placed shot would probably be enough.
They're prone to it sure but IIRC I've seen some bad shots on rabbits on YT where they just ran off. Still gotta get a solid vitals hit. If they had a heart attack anytime they got smacked out of nowhere they'd never escape a close call with a predator.';

'>>61627078
https://animalia-life.club/qa/pictures/squirrel-shooting-targets

i couldn't figure out how to download them but here's a bunch of targets to get a good look at where to aim, basically CM like every other animal';

'>>61625374
Also get a scope! I know I'm telling you to maybe double or triple what you spend on an air rifle here but get a scope. If it's a break barrel, then you're going to have to get one that can stand reverse recoil/whiplash and is made for it. If you have a pump, then not so much. Don't use the plastic scopes and don't use the $17 4x15 that Tasco makes; trust me. Not worth the inaccuracy and random loss of zero from mild bumps. Hard enough to learn to repeatedly shoot well on every shot with good equipment. The bug buster used to be cheap but damn is it up there now.';

'>>61627095
I wouldn't recommend headshots for a beginner. Just stick to CM (center mass). Worst case scenario they run up a tree in their last 5 seconds on this earth and die in a crock of it. If that happens just wait until something comes and tries to eat it and throw it away when it falls. Had that happen a few days ago. It's just that at that range the target (the squirrel's brains are so freaking small and if you miss you are still just maiming. At least with the vitals shot it will take them down if you don't hit dead center mass. ymmv if you have a PCP and can consistently land head shots then go for it. But something with less around 12 FPE it seems like a bad time waiting to happen trying to land them.';

'>>61627099
I think that might be one of those AI sites that just get random shit scraped from the web lol. Shutterstock and a pintrest link behind both those pics. Targets4Free has been around for years; they probably have more.';

'>>61627099';

'>>61627160
yea i seen the link in the header to shutterstock just didn't bother dissecting the url to find the pics. I already know from real world experience on where to shoot. Also saved.
>>61627166
good job, saved. good to have these on hand if I need practice.';

'>>61627142
Actually I agree with you there. Headshots can be rather unforgiving. There's a surprising amount of things up there that really don't do much and pellets will just zoom through leaving little damage; that's why I tend towards lung shots these days despite starting as a headshot guy myself no matter how much REEEEEing I get from the "muh headshot is the only way" crowd. .22LR can also be brutal on headshots and man sometimes I just want to use the squirrel for some taxidermy and not have a massive gaping hole in the head on both sides lol. Something around 10-12FPE (not a Daisy 880) would probably work for headshots especially in .22 but man that anon's speed/FPE test has me questioning things. But yeah lung shots are way more forgiving and have a much bigger vital area and that's why I shoot squirrels in the chest with .22LR these days. Field accuracy with adrenaline, wind, an animal that might move at any moment, etc. =/= bench accuracy shooting paper at all.';

'>>61627209
That said I've seen plenty of culling videos with headshots only. But that's with a super expensive set up. So 1000+ usd spent on a pest control gun. And that's just the gun. Not a scope and a compressor, so you can spend 3k+ easily on something that you can spend 300usd altogether on something with the same ending result. 130 on a decent scope. 20 bucks in ammo and another 150 on the gun. And you got a cost efficient squirrel culling set up. At 1/10 the cost of a head shot machine setup.';

'>>61627124
The old MIJ tascos are ok, but yeah current stuff is mostly dogs hit. The decent old stuff can be had for 40-80 oftentimes on ebay, all metal and decent glass. Used scopes are a great budget offering if you want to keep costs down.';

'>>61627360
Yeah you don't know how many times I've thought about getting a PCP airgun but man for $1k I have a silenced 10/22 lol. I want to put together a Benjamin Marauder pistol carbine but I keep asking myself wtf I'm going to do with it. Between the time and cost for hunting headshots only I ended up figuring at the very least a bad heart shot is better than a bad headshot. Bad headshot makes some part of the brain not work well but nothing really ends up killing it unless a predator gets it or it gets a brain infection. Bad heart shot, I probably hit the lung somewhere and it dies within a day. Gut shots can still happen though which is why I trend towards the neck these days as well as the stomach being stupidly high into the chest on squirrels. They're usually pretty full too; I've never seen a squirrel stomach below ~1" round. Usually they're ~2" round. Bad chest shots can also end up in the throat if you get a weird "jump" before the shot which IIRC I've had take a squirrel down surprisingly fast due to blood loss through an artery. If you're high on a shot or again, the animal moves as the shot is being taken, at least with .22LR, it can also hit the spine resulting in a pretty much instant death/immobilization. For that you want as high as possible too. Sometimes when you shoot them straight on from the front of the chest you end up hitting the spine as well.

>>61627383
Yep. I have some old Japan Tascos on vintage .22s but the new stuff is junk. I used to use vintage Weaver, Bushnell, etc. on air rifles. Still do, kinda. Just have to keep the vintage stuff to mostly pumps so they don't get broken from break barrel "springers". Even the old 4x15 Tascos are kinda out of focus though (and I don't mean that the focus adjust is off, they're just not as clear as modern glass by any means probably partly due to age).';

'>>61627500
I knew this from experience and basic anatomy lessons but thanks for the additional anecdotal evidence of why CM is better then HS. You just have more vitals in the area which leads to cleaner and more efficient takedowns.';

'>>61627535
Yep and the heart/lungs is a bigger target in general with a larger area surrounding it that isn't ideal, but still may let you retrieve your game after it flops over in 5 seconds. The head has a lot of really non-ideal spots that don't do much of anything at pellet rifle velocities. Head can easily be obscured or give bad angles for a shot but the heart/lungs are often able to be reached from most angles, even below, even if at an awkward angle. Also, with air rifles especially you might not be able to just see the underside of a squirrel's head (throat/jaw), for instance, and shoot through to the brain, depending on angle. I've never tried it with either but if I had that shot with a .22LR I might take it. Air rifle I might hesitate since I may end up hitting the jaw and losing velocity or even just hitting the front of the brain. .22LR tends to bring bone with it and make a mess of whatever bones you hit ending up with a pinky sized wound channel (when hitting bone) and damaged tissue surrounding it. Probably a .25 cal hole when you don't hit bone but still very damaged tissue surrounding it; I've seen bruised muscle up to about a 1/2" diameter from chest shots in .22lr. Thinking back to hunting with .177 I don't think there was much bruising at all. I know it's a bit of a tired and overused phrase by now but it's literally a "poking holes in game" vs "blowing holes through game". A lot of the damage that headshots cause with lower power (~6-8 FPE) pellet rifles are just from the bone the pellet goes through being thrown very slightly off the course of the pellet causing an additional wound channel. Meanwhile .22LR does that thing you see that happens to watermelons shot with .223 in YT videos. I can't think of the video I saw it in recently, but the damaged meat around the wound channel is very similar to what happens to watermelon; the tissue in the wound channel is soft and shredded unlike the "firm" undamaged tissue.';

'>>61627629
>Yep and the heart/lungs is a bigger target in general
here's a better target for mapping the chest vitals
>all that text for worrying about the penetration from under the jaw.
I have like ~30-35 ft.lb of energy in a .22 inch size hole. I have no trouble reaching the brainstem at any angle with that much power. Even if up the spine from the tail to the heart. From what I've seen in testing with ballistic gel there is around 8+ inches of penetration. I've also taken that type of shot and had a successful takedown.
>the rest of the post about analyzing wound channels
I don't examine them enough to confirm or deny. But I've seen exit wounds around 50% bigger then the caliber used with the Red Fires. Also it makes sense about the .177 vs .22 and the energy transfer into the target vs going through it. I think the type of pellet plays a big role in this type of performance. I still swear by my Gamo Red fires in this case.';

'>>61549438
what is that? I like it.';

'>>61627712
I actually have that exact target I picked up at a gun show! It's done very nicely in watercolor by Doug Pifer. Reminds me a lot of the style of Ned Smith (see: PA Game commission animal posters). He also did one for a rabbit and a groundhog. They're NRA/National Target posters. Also yes you're right about not having problems with 30-35 foot pounds but I was more talking having a third of that power if not 8-10.
>I don't examine them enough to confirm or deny. But I've seen exit wounds around 50% bigger then the caliber used with the Red Fires. Also it makes sense about the .177 vs .22 and the energy transfer into the target vs going through it. I think the type of pellet plays a big role in this type of performance. I still swear by my Gamo Red fires in this case.
The pellet matters a lot when you start getting into 20-30 foot pound territory. Ted's Holdover (Ted Bier) uses JSB Hades as they expand pretty well. I know the AirArmsSA guy uses some special pellets too but he changes quite a lot because he's really into the new pellets and barrel tech. IIRC Squirrel Hunter uses H&N Barracuda (as did Ted?) but also Predator Polymag which are very similar to your Gamo Red Fire and do quite a bit of damage when they expand. If I had that power I'd probably be using them too. I should pick a tin of them up and see what 15 ft lbs can do in gel.

>>61627714
Edgun Leshiy's (YT channel) own Edgun Leshiy 2. It has a custom Cerakote job and IIRC that was a giveaway gun. I forget what caliber but it was probably .22. He has a couple in different calibers.
https://www.youtube.com/@EDgunLeshiy/videos';

'>>61627804
>I should pick a tin of them up and see what 15 ft lbs can do in gel.
Yes! For science!';

'>>61627500
There alot of sub 300 dollar pcps and hand pumps as little as 60-80, you dont *need* a compressor for guns that fill to 3000 psi. Love my 200 dollar pp700, cheap pcp. There are alot of options 150-300 that are respectable imo.';

'>>61628146
I'll have to see what I have around; if I get around to that I'll post it in an airgun thread. I know I had some gelatin in a bulk plastic container that I think didn't get very stiff when you mixed it up no matter how much you added. I know I have some Knox somewhere and I know I just saw a box of packets somewhere but it's been a while since I've mixed some up. No chronograph so I'd do some test shots with a Red Ryder to show roughly what kind of gelatin % I get via penetration depth of a semi-standard BB gun. I think I'd mostly be worried about overpenetration of the block and losing the pellet. My Gamo Swarm has some power behind it, I think.

>>61628180
At the same time they can be cheap, I'm more looking at a buy once cry once sort of thing with a decent aftermarket, so a Benjamin Marauder or an Edgun. That's like $500-700. And for an air rifle I mainly shoot in my back yard rather than hunting. Sure it'd be nice to bring along when hunting to have something short but man...that's a good chunk of change.';

'>>61628339
Nice another Gamo Swarm user. You really should pick up a tin of the red fires though especially since they will run better in your gun from what I've seen. I have the magnum style, and if it wasn't for the gen3 version that I have I would 100% recommend it. It's accurate and powerful but the reload system malfunctions often and has a partial disassembly issue when it wants to just fall apart cocking it. Super annoying but still useable if reassembled and then checking to see if it loaded a pellet. Also gen3 doesn't have the manual sights. Not that I would use them but that's another thing when considering gen2 vs gen3.

And just got another squirrel after 3 days of none spotted. The dog was happy to get another, even if it was small.

>>61627804
>I actually have that exact target I picked up at a gun show!
lmao, I really liked that image. It was the most accurate from my experience when targeting them.

>this image gave me a chuckle, just now when I saw it on the AI aggregate site.';

'>loaded wrong pic';

'>>61628339
There are some aftermarket options for artemis products from bod pattendon, but he's uk only. I own a marauder, the semi auto version. Badly wish I had got the bolt instead but good rifle, extremely quiet.';

'Let’s go';

'>>61628940
It begins';

'>>61625445
>>61625374
https://www.pyramydair.com/article/Airgun_Hunting_April_2012/83

The recommended lower limit for a hunting airgun is one that produces 12 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. That equates to a .177-caliber pellet gun shooting a lead pellet weighing 7.9 grains at 827 f.p.s. at the muzzle or a .22-caliber air gun shooting a 14.3-grain pellet at 615 f.p.s. at the muzzle. Other pellet weights will obviously produce different amounts of energy at the same velocities, and you can use Pyramyd Air's handy energy calculator to determine the velocity of your airgun.';

'>>61623125
They don't need to be super high power or anything. It would just be nice if someone made high quality BB guns instead of the plastic chinese trash that we get now.
>>61623510
Is this gun any good? It's probably the only high quality BB gun that isn't a CO2 replica or electric meme gun.';

'>>61629531
>don't need to be super high power or anything
what kind of market share do you think your idea encompasses?';

'>>61630355
It would absolutely be a large enough market share for it to be worth it for any company. This sort of thing gets talked about all the time.';

'>>61630355
I think there are plenty of people who would buy a nice BB gun.';

'>>61630543
Give a detailed explanation of the reasons why it should come to fruition. Give as much detail as you can, think of it as an exercise of talking to potential manufacturers that you said would benefit from it. I'm curious to your reasoning behind it besides "[it] gets talked about all the time".';

'>>61630581
What would that consist of? Specs?';

'>>61630597
>What would that consist of?
A BB gun that doesn't look and feel like a kids toy. It's not really that complicated.';

'>>61630653
But bb's are for kids toy. Pellet guns are superior in every way. What's the fun of missing the target and ricochets with regular bb's. If you are shooting frangible bb's or copper coated lead why not just use lead pellets at that point. I just see it with all the negatives of bb's and none of the positives. And what's wrong with the Pellet guns that shoot bb's too? Doesn't that cover your market already?';

'>>61630688
>And what's wrong with the Pellet guns that shoot bb's too?
Those don't shoot BBs accurately at all. They are really pellet guns first and BB guns second.
>Doesn't that cover your market already?
They are still made of cheap plastic and feel like toy guns.';

'>>61631205
Well then...be the change you want to see in the world.';

'>>61549438
Is shoulder stock worth it? Bought myself 1377 not so long ago (for paper targets, I like critters too much to hunt them) - fun gun, so I bought steel breech and cheap red dot after going through first tin can of pellets. Hoped to be more accurate, but still shooting kinda inconsistently, maybe even bit more since increased weight - hand wobbles while holding gun.. Should I get shoulder stock to be more bit more accurate? Or should I just keep it as it is right now and just get another gun some time later on, since I already spent ~200€ on what is supposed to be cheap Wallmart airgun in US.';

'>>61631258
Okay I will';

'>>61631392
Make sure to link it here so I can consider buying one.';

'>>61631355
It’s known for a heavy long trigger pull, you can tune it but be careful. As a pistol, probably works good as is but fun to mod and see what works.The stock has a short LOP for an adult but it does work if you can tuck in close. Definitely a good piece of kit to have, little known secret is that if you call Crosman parts in the US the stock is only $5 (doesn’t include shipping) so I ordered 4 last time to... stock up.
>Pic not mine
>>61628940
>>61628985
The valve was on backorder so guess I’ll be waiting a bit longer.';

'>>61631355
The 1399 stock is pretty nice. I didn't like how it handled as a pistol but then again I upgraded to steel breech the same time I got the stock. Could also be the red dot if it's a cheaper model. It's unfortunate they don't make the 1399 stock in brown but you can get it pretty close with Rustoleum (pic related). I just used Plastidip (spray can), let that dry, and then used Rustoleum the next day but I don't remember the color. IIRC mine is supposed to have a shim in it to tighten the stock up and prevent wobble; I think it's just a piece of the soft side of velcro in the bottom touching the base of the pistol grip.

>>61631553
>little known secret is that if you call Crosman parts in the US the stock is only $5 (doesn’t include shipping) so I ordered 4 last time to... stock up.
What in the fuck. I'm going to have to order like two for a future 1322 and maybe a marauder lol. Mine was not that cheap. Is the steel breech kit cheaper from them too?';

'>>61631718
Unfortunately they won’t sell the breech or Pellgun oil through the parts department any more. (Though you can get it 20% off with free shipping and no tax on their website using a coupon)
>I sound like an ad';

'>>61631822
Well that sucks.';

'>>61564374
I can’t get over that rat, looks bigger than a squirrel';

'>>61633587
If they survive the cats, dogs, dozens of traps, and 24/7 poison they get real big, and real nasty. One of the joys of farming. Shot with a Weihrauch HW57K';

'>>61634946
Good kill brother';

'Crosman has to bring back this pump handle, so much better than anything else for carbines. In fact, just make it available for 1389 & 2289s.';

'>>61629531
>It would just be nice if someone made high quality BB guns
they do though. every gun manufactuer licenses a CO2 model in its image. not even airsoft. their manuals have big DO NOT USE IN AIRSOFT labels in them.

also big bore airguns usually use balls instead of pellets afaik';

'>>61638441
>big bore airguns usually use balls instead of pellets afaik
Not from what I've seen';

'Just ordered a Crosman 1322, it's not there yet but I'm excited. I'm a woodworker and plan to make a stock-holster for it, it's gonna be big but I think I can make it work. Any reason I shouldn't?';

'>>61639372
>Crosman 1322
Did you got the steel breech upgrade?';

'>>61639393
Is it worth it?';

'>>61639393
No, don't plan on it yet, it's kind of expensive here (yuro) and having it scoped means I couldn't holster it.';

'>>61639464
for a 65 dollar gun with plastic I think 35 for the upgrade is reasonable. It's still around 100.

>>61639470
true but I think its more about a structural integrity issue not a possible mount surface. Not that it's gonna kill you if it explodes anyways...but fuck its only 35 extra for the piece of mind and it potentially lasting longer. Seems worth it to me.';

'>>61639372
Like the old Mauser C96 stock? That might work but I’m sure it would be tricky. Good luck though cause that’s an amazing idea. So good, Crosman might put their R&D team on it, lol
>>61639464
Not worth it imho if you plan on using open sights. You could always get one later if you change your mind.';

'15 yard easy lights out headshot. JTS dead centers, 18.80 grain wadcutter at 630-640 fps. Stock tune rn but will get huma and proper tune eventually.';

'>>61639654
I missed my chance today, I checked zero and it was off by a couple inches. Sad day, sad dog.';

'>>61639667
Next time fren. I need one more for the other dog, she is sad also. Looks like that's all for today.';

'>>61564766
brand?';

'someone bake

we did it again, also make it a cheeky number 3 version.';

'>>61640231
It's a webley mk something or another replica pistol. They sell this with a few different finishes/barrel lengths, I think.';

'Baking';

'>>61641541
>>61641541
>>61641541
>>61641541
Fresh bake';