'>>61582181
They'll get bogged down in the mountains while the Russians blow bridges and passes. Then they'll regroup and conscript every man, woman, and child.';

'>>61582181
China could quickly seize a chunk of eastern Russia, claim it was always China, and dig in. What could Russia then do about it? Who would stand by Russia?';

'Pretty sure most of eastern russia would get claimed easily. That shit is empty as fuck. And equally useless.';

'>>61582256
The point is how much land they can take and hold. Also IRL nobody will ever dare to even take an inch of another nuclear power's land due to nukes.';

'The question has to be how far can China project largescale military force. I suspect that will be how much land they could take. So Outer Manchuria/Vladivostok, sure. Kamchatka peninsula, probably. A chunk of Siberia, wouldn't be surprising. All of Siberia is where my doubts creep in. This said I doubt Russia could prevent China from reaching these logistical limits and would have a hard time pushing them back without nukes.

While a fun thought exercise, I doubt China will need to march into Russia at all. China has economic leverage over Russia for the forseeable future, and it would make sense that future trade deals start giving China more and more "concessions" in Siberia, freedom of movement, Chinese citizens subject to Chinese law at all times, things like these until Siberia is a Chinese province in all but name, so by the time China formally annexes them, very little changes on the ground.';

'>>61582181
there's a lot of caveats involved
>China would need to solve their fuel problem before committing, there is a real risk of the Russian sub fleet being able to choke off Chinese fuel imports long enough to kill domestic industry before they are all hunted down and destroyed
>China would actually want to govern the seized Russian lands for some literally unknowable reason, Russia took most of that land because no one else historically gave a fuck because of how remote and poor it was in the first place - even when the central Russian state fucking imploded no one made a move on any of it, even before nukes
>China would maintain domestic internal stability even with a massive shift towards sustained offensive war, they spend more money on internal security than their military currently

that all said, if China seriously paced themselves, expected the conquest to take decades, and threaded the needle between encouraging ethnic secessionism in Russia and keeping them on board with Chinese governance they would 100% be able to pull it off in a no nuke scenario and without other states getting involved. at the start of the war China would have absurdly shorter logistics lines and they just outnumber the Russian military on nearly all fronts with equal to superior equipment. Russia is stuck in a lose-lose scenario, preserve forces and fall back trading land for time but then get stuck in a war of attrition against a country with 10 times the population and economic power OR try to just shatter the initial Chinese invasion force with an all-out push but with, again, ridiculously longer supply lines and less personnel/equipment. "realistically" China would probably just want outer Manchuria, maybe some cherry picked mining rights throughout the East, and direct access to the Arctic. No one actually wants to govern or be responsible for central and eastern Russia, not even Russia.';

'>>61582181
Realistlically I'd expect the Chinese to be able to take all of central Siberia within a year or so. The question of getting past the Yenisei and Omsk and up to the Urals will depend heavily on the diplomatic alignment of Kazahkstan and Mongolia.
Advancing past the Urals is probably beyond Chinese capacity for at least a decade though';

'>>61582286
>Laughing Pakis and Poos';

'>>61582404
This seems like a reasonable take.';

'China is really averse to actually going out and fighting, since if their paper tiger army failed to perform they'd lose face.

There was what, that border squabble with India where everyone agreed to use shitty melee weapons so it wouldn't be a real conflict?';

'>>61582181
With their close to 0 combat experience, largely combat untested vehicles, munitions, doctrine and officer command and control, the event of them pushing and controlling any amount of meaningful Russian soil is extremely unlikely, as in it's not happening at all.';

'Is this a CIA sweat thread? lmfao';

'Any /k/ommandos read Tom Clancy’s “The Bear and the Dragon”? It’s a decent book about this scenario.';

'>>61582181
The Chinese completely lack experience with power projection much further than their doorstep which would be a problem. As much as the Russians let down their prewar reputation in Ukraine, they had significantly more experience at extending a logistical chain in hostile action, and still culminated at a comically short distance from their own borders. China would struggle for some time to realistically tofu dreg their way towards dragging significant men and materiel any distance into Siberia if no one ever took a single shot.

As >>61582535 pointed out, they already rely on an immensely bloated internal security force just to manage the population. Wars do galvanize populations, but China doesn't need galvanization, it needs total control over the flow of information, people, and money. That would only get more difficult, and China has every reason to worry about the reaction to their little princes dying as that removes the second of two pillars (the other being real estate which was already failing) that form the security the nation rests its future on.';

'>>61582592
Russia is unironically a lot stronger than they were 3 years ago. China has no combat experience, Russia has the most combat experienced army in the world';

'>>61582256
>What could Russia then do about it?
Glass them?';

'>>61584924
then they get glassed back';

'>>61582181
The low population, infrastructure, and military density of the Russian far east combined with the fact that most of their military is in or near Ukraine means that a Chinese invasion would be nearly unopposed by any significant ground force for up to several months. They could reach the Urals, though whether its worth keeping or they're even capable of keeping that everything up to that is a different story.
I think it would be more likely that they prop up a separatist or client state(s) to replace the sitting government. That way, they could still achieve the objectives of resource extraction, a buffer state, and to an extent colonial expansion while offloading the high costs of war, postwar reconstruction, and peacekeeping to a client state with actual legitimacy to support those efforts.
With nooks Russia wins gg ez no re.
>>61584815
>Russia is unironically a lot stronger than they were 3 years ago.
Excuse me
>China has no combat experience, Russia has the most combat experienced army in the world
I wouldn't call losing all of your high quality troops, replacing them with mobiks, and continuously making the same mistakes or implementing ineffectual changes valuable combat experience. Even if it came down to meat waves, China's disposable incel population is significantly larger than the ever-shrinking recruitable population of Russia and they much greater manufacturing capability. The PLAAF also gets significantly more training, maintenance, and procurement than the Russian Air Force. China would be able to consistently defeat Russia up until they hit their geographic and/or logistical limit, which means that they could at the very least take sizable chunks of the Far East and Siberia.
>>61584969
China officially only has ~300 warheads, and though realistic estimates of actual strength are way higher, Russia still possesses a significantly larger nuclear arsenal. Give it ten years.';

'>>61584815
Putting unironically in front of something dumb doesn't fix it. Russia has spent most of the pre-war reserves it had for fighting ANY conventional war and their elite personnel have been devastated. The war has been if anything a net loss of total relevant experience with the loss of elite units, the fact that all successes have come at the hands of meat wave assaults that leave few survivors, and the fact that most of the frontline units have very little prospect to be useful in the future to begin with (old, criminal, drug addicted, etc.)';

'>>61584969
they have 20 times more nukes than China';

'They are nervously tiptoeing just trying to get a fucking small island and you ask about a massive land operation?';

'>>61582181
Nooks!';

'>>61584815
The experienced ones are already cubed and won’t be much help against China. There will probably be some experience in the cope cage welding industry that will translate, however.';

'>>61584989
Chincels are FAR from disposable. They are the investment of an entire family unit each, the whole reason for the gender imbalance and thus disproportionately high chincel population is that Chinese to put all their effort into a son that would stay rather than a daughter that would be married off.

When little princes start dropping faster than their parents you will find out very quickly they are not disposable to the public.';

'They will roll through until they come near Moscow, the earliest point they will get resistance is maybe Yekaterinburg. And with the argument muh logistic and the far steppes of Russia. Its not magic, would not really be a major problem and there is literally nothing here outside of trees and insects.';

'>>61585021
>logistics isn't real bro dw
God I'm glad the rest of the world is so retarded';

'Siberia/Far East are basically impassable outside of a couple thin threads of roads/railroads. Rest is swamps, woods, mountains, etc. China could take Vladivostok I guess. It wouldn't move past that even if it was completely resolved to capture Moscow.';

'>>61582404

This is how I suspect it will go, with the addition that if China will ever annex (part of) Siberia, they will set up an 'independence' movement first, secede from Russia and then 'vote' to join China. Pretty much like Russia did in Ukraine. Outright annexation of foreign territory would look bad internationally and make China lose their proclaimed moral high ground over the West.';

'>>61582181
>China demands payment for help taking Ukraine
>China wants Siberia
>Vladimir pay up
>ok.jpg but we get 50% of gold you mine in Siberia
>crosses fingers ok sure thing Vladimir';

'>>61582181
>both russia and china are world famous for losing 79873457439 billion people in every war they ever fought in their history
holy shit just imagine the casualties.
>the battle of villagovoansk
>43 million dead chinese
>25 million dead russians
>stalemate';

'>>61585021
So long as they could keep the trannie Siberian railway open logistics should be a piece of piss.';

'Daily based Chinks thread?';

'>>61585111';

'>>61585115
>Iskanders one bridge
>invasion ends';

'>>61584969
>die as heroes saving west in long run from chinese menace
I like that scenario';

'>>61582181
Less about what the Chinese can take.
More about what the Russians can defend.
In the event of a war, the front would be some 4000 km long.
That's if the war doesn't spill into Mongolia. If it does, we are talking about 7500 km total.

China has enough people to man that kind of border. Maybe not enough means to hold it everywhere at once against attacks but enough to slow down a push and be able to react.

Russia could try to do the same but that would be more difficult, especially given that China could afford to lose 10 times as many men before crumbling.';

'>>61582181
it would force russia out of ukraine and by then the US would make the mistake of giving russia lend-lease again, to help them resist the chinks, instead of just nuking both moscow and beijing without warning';

'>>61584969
so why don't they do us all a favor';

'>>61582181
>kolguyev island
that's an OFP map. Does it take from it?';

'>>61585171
>Iskanders
I'm not sure they're accurate enough.';

'>>61585254
Iskander is accurate, it's Russia's targeting decisions that limit its effectiveness but even then it's like we haven't seen them take out strategic point targets before.';

'>>61585260
it's not like*';

'>>61584815
your mistake was thinking this isn't an echo chamber.';

'>>61582181
>It's pretty clear that China is far more powerful than Russia at this point
A-ha-ha-ha-oh-wow. If you think russia sucks, get ready to be surprised by chinks. China is first and foremost a soviet-type regime, the longer it exist the more it gets fucked up into fakery, bullshit and corruption. It has all of the russian issues on steroids, just better PR.
At least russia had the painful experiences of Afghanistan, two Chechen wars and the invasion of Georgia, all of which reforming and guiding the RU army somewhat into being less degenerate than it could've been. For example, all of the drone shit russians have is a result of the invasion of Georgia when they've noticed how fucked they were and ran to Israel to contract stuff from them and ask to build their drone industry.
So, the only real change chinks have is to pull a Crimea scenario: wait until some political fuckfest in russia (old regime getting fucked, new one getting into power, but still being shacky), move in soldiers covertly into a region (the russian far east), then say "hurr-durr local self-defense, hurr-durr independence, hurr-durr a 99% referendum", knowing that russians would be too scared or paralyzed to react.
Any actual fighting war would be a shitshow of grand proportions, not only because the infrastructure and transport there sucks (for both sides kek), with half the country relying on 2 rail lines, but also crap like chinks freezing to death, chinks running out of drinking water and food, fuel, etc. Don't get the started about weapons failing and other shit.';

'>>61582535
>there is a real risk of the Russian sub fleet being able to choke off Chinese fuel imports long enough to kill domestic industry before they are all hunted down and destroyed
How about food import? Let the 1.5 billion dirty fucking reds starve to death lol';

'>>61584815
Not sure if stronger is the right word, but you're right about experience. Both this war and prior wars actually have russia use their military, chinks just have propaganda.';

'>>61582181
The Chinese could probably write off some of the food logistics at least, since they'll eat the locals and then their own wounded if things get tight.';

'>>61585372
>this vatnik coping';

'>>61585003
And what percentage of those are functional? Don't get me wrong, I wish a Chigga would, but only because it'd be an excellent opportunity to nuke them both and then turn them into open pit mines to serve America.';

'>>61585405
Nobody said that russia is good or super competent, but chinks are an order of magnitude worse.';

'>>61585003
So? China has enough to cause the death of tens millions vatniggers
no country will use nukes unless they are sure their air defence has close to 100% effectiveness in case of retailation
and we all know how shitty russian air defence is';

'>>61585372
>If you think russia sucks, get ready to be surprised by chinks.
You may be right but we ain't discussing quality only here.
China has a lot more margin for errors compared to Russia.
Its economy is about 6-7 times that of Russia.
Its population is nearly 10 times that of Russia.';

'>>61585562
I think you're forgetting that China is on the verge of collapse. Both their demographics and economy';

'>>61585607
>on the verge of collapse
Maybe next decade.
Not right now, which is what matters in this discussion.

They could lose 140 millions people and still be a nation.
Could Russia lose even 25% of that and still stand ?';

'>>61585003
And China has 20 times as many people that are far more spread out. China chunks some nukes at the Moscow and Saint Petersburg metro areas alone, and that's 1/5 of Russia's population gone. Russia's greatest military asset is its endurance in a war of attrition, and the only country that could out-attrition Russia is its fellow former Mongol-tributary state China.

Russia is actually weak to Asiatics in general. With a few exceptions here and there like Napoleon and Kaiser Germany, all of Russia's worst Ls came from the East. Even the US, Russia's greatest modern rival, is technically positioned to the "east" of Siberia.';

'>>61585655
It's even worse :
China lacks women and those ain't the one that will die at the front.
We are talking an excess of 21 millions men between 20 and 40 years old.
Those aren't doing anything to help the demography.
They are being used for labor in the economy but could just as well be used on the front.';

'>>61585667
>And China has 20 times as many people
10 times
>that are far more spread out.
No they aren't

You are right that a nuking match between the two would see China victorious, if only by virtue of still being more populous than most nations on Earth.
But the victory in such a scenario wouldn't be as big as you make it be.
If the nukes are out, both countries will basically put each other in a position where invading the other would be impossible.';

'>>61585687
I thought this imbalance is why russia is throwing away men in the first place
Between russian and african brides they might just make it';

'>>61585687
Again, those "excess" men are central to the entire system that the CCP owes its legitimacy on. Just think about why they're there in the first place, it's BECAUSE Chinese families see men and not women as an investment in their own personal security.
>>61585667
China and Russia are both heavily (over 2/3s) urbanized, the discussion is pedantic as both would be similarly devastated by nuclear exchange.';

'>>61585185
>10x
100x in terms of local populations. Remember this is a Russia at that point which has no trading partners. It is literally fucked unless the country on the other side of it agrees to help it.

Yes it's only 8x the population, but they can afford to lose far more than Russia, and bus in far more troops in time for it to matter.';

'>>61585715
While I do agree with the root of your statement ("China got more men"), I disagree with your maths.
What does "100x in terms of local populations" even means ?';

'>>61585731
The speed at which China could train and bus in men compared to Russia. Russia is currently engaged in a landwar, it does not have the capability to train and transport enough people to an Eastern front to matter. By the time they manage, China would already have what they wanted fully entrenched.';

'>>61585748
I mean it's not just a manpower issue. They'd also need to outproduce Russia's huge equipment stockpile. It's hard to believe that a nation so untested could actually succeed in a surprise offensive. When was their last war...tibet? not really a fight';

'>>61585793
>Russia
>Huge equipment stockpile
Doesn't exist, too busy in Ukraine. Their ammunition stocks also no longer have any buffer.';

'>>61585793
>>61585803
It would be Russia with shot reserves and China with all its equipment at home. No one has any idea how China would handle logistics that doesn't rely on a thousand mile rail trek through enemy territory with multiple bridge crossings that can easily be sapped.';

'The real dilemma is, who would the West support? Whoever is losing? No one?';

'The EU will fight on China's side, against the US, in the incoming war. It already allows CCP to police EU citizens.

https://telex.hu/english/2024/04/25/what-do-we-know-about-the-chinese-police-officers-who-may-soon-be-patrolling-in-hungary';

'>>61585869
This is not a new policy and affects the entire west. Almost everyone else already has policy responses in place. It wouldn't surprise me if Hungary broke ranks but that's hardly indicative of anything but the fact that Hungary is ruled by /chug/ tier retards.';

'>>61585869
not even actual tencent shills say shit like this.
why are you so retarded?';

'>>61582181
>So in a war of conquest, how much land do you think China can take and hold long term?

Judging by the astounding incompetence of Russia against Ukraine, China could theoretically take the whole thing but on the other hand, China has virtually zero military experience since the Korean War, their last actual combat being against the Vietnamese in the 70s and they got their asses handed to them.

If I were Chinese and tasked with invading and conquering Russia, I'd take all of eastern Siberia up to the Yenisy River, which is the eastern edge of the West Siberian Plain, which is nothing but a vast mosquito infested swap.

Of course the Chinese don't need to invade Russia, as Putin has made Russia China's bitch and they can get whatever they need on the cheep without going to war.';

'>>61582181
Stop teasing this war. It's to good thing to happen';

'>>61584969
Russia's whole attitude regarding... everything indicates they would consider that a decisive victory';

'>>61585019
There's still 10 of them for every fighting-aged Russian male

>When little princes start dropping faster than their parents

Won't happen, reread what he said and >>61584995';

'>>61585562
1. You underestimate how just fragile the soviet regimes are. it's one thing when there's a booming economy digging out people from poverty each year, but it's a whole different issue when the boom is no longer there and you're trapped in your middle class wanting more.
2. You gravely underestimate just how much fuckery would the chink military do itself. The more PR and fake shit such a system does, the more it will shit the bed when time to fight comes. 100 pidors gathering as target for an ukie missile strike? Multiple that by a thousand for chinks. Pidors running out of fuel and food 50 km into Ukraine? Multiple that by ten thousand for chinks.
3. You underestimate what would the losses do to chink society and economy. RU economy is 10 million pidors working in the extraction field feeding the rest of the county, hence they can lose meat and don't bat an eye - the rest are "useless" from the point of wealth generation of their economy. Chinks are actually working in producing shit for export, so if a chunk disappears due to military action it will fuck over the economy and labor market even more, which is already sub-optimal (for chink growth model), hence businesses moving to pajeets, vietnam and so on.';

'>>61585667
>are far more spread out
Have you seen chink population density? Most of china is empty, just like russia, it's arguably even worse in china because most "people" live on the coast in industry-heavy regions.';

'>>61585748
>By the time they manage, China would already have what they wanted fully entrenched.
Chinks won't be able to supply and feed those entrenched men.';

'>>61586516
>and >>61584995 (You)
That's me tho.
I'm just trying to be realistic about both sides. As much as Russia has been set back, China is not well positioned to do much offensively beyond make Vladivostok Chinese again.';

'>>61588772
>won't be able to supply and feed
US can ship China food in this scenario, they are invading a country that is invading their ally';

'>>61582181
The real question is how effective chang's forces actually are.
We don't really have any contemporary examples to draw on other than a few borked UN deployments and historically they've only ever proven they know how to die really well.
I think the initial phase would go well for the Chinese given the shock it would create, but once the element of surprise wears off, it'd turn in favor of the Russians as they've actually been fighting a war for the last several years.
You'd likely see the Chinese push all the way to Salekhard before the Russians finally blunt the assault with a sheer force of numbers and entrenchments, at worst falling back to the Urals.
Then it'd turn into a slow grind in the West Siberian planes to see who breaks first, Russia's artillery or China's raw numbers.';

'>>61582181
>day one of Chinese invasion of Russia
>Russia and potentially the USA and Australia depending on how they feel that day and especially India cease exporting oil, gas, coal, staple crops, and beef to the Mainland
>mass starvation ensues
>China calls off the invasion in exchange for food and fuel and begs Russia and the USA to not recognize Tibet and East Turkistan as independent states and not allow inner Mongolia to reunited with greater Mongolia as well as allow India to go crazy with their territorial claims
Wouldn't go well for them. Yeah at first China could move a lot of men and armor in Outer Manchuria and Russia's response would be slow since their mostly mobilized for Eastern Europe as of late but the moment China invades a foe as big as Russia rather than a few shitty uninhabited islands that only Pinoys care about because China would essentially be sanctioned so badly by the rest of the world they might as well be land locked and their allies such as Pakistan, Best Korea, and Zimbabwe won't be able to do anything about it.

China would have to be real stupid to start a war with Russia especially since they're recovering demographically from the one China policy that turned half their population into bitter incels that commit suicide in their mid 30's.

>>61582274
>And equally useless.
Isn't there a fuck ton of cobalt, gold, and other rare earth minerals there that China would have an even greater monopoly over the supply of if they annexed it? Just because Russia isn't doing anything of value with it doesn't mean China wouldn't.

>>61585185
A far more likely scenario (unfortunately).';

'>>61589768
>demographically from the one China policy
One child policy....';

'>>61582181
>Can they push all the way to Moscow and take the entire country?
No, logistics would be impossible, they'd get stopped at the Urals if not before it. Only chance to threaten Moscow would be if they had complete open access through Kazakhstan, but even then the distances are so great it would be untenable to move columns through there and would take some time to do so.
>Can they push until the Ural mountains?
Pretty unlikely unless again they had open access through Kazakhstan and could coordinate a strong push north from there while striking out from Manchuria to keep any eastern Siberian forces from supporting, but it'd be a slogfest, with them having longer supply lines than Muscovites would.
>Or will they be unable to push through central Siberia,stuck on the shores of Lake Baikal
I think that would be the most likely target for conventional invasion and takeover; that will also isolate Yakutsk somewhat and allow China to exert pressure to the northeast. That would be reasonable with the logistics of the region, and their supply lines coming out from Manchuria, would be the most likely candidate
Not sure if they could move fast enough to capture Irkutsk before the Muscovites could marshal forces to resist, and Vladivostok might be a dirty siege.

Logistically the whole place is a nightmare though (look at the mount of roads east of the Urals, practically non-existant), and I think the Chinese exerting economic pressure on the area is more sensible in the long term.';

'>>61585111
>holy shit just imagine the casualties.
Imagine the civilians eaten.';

'>>61582181
>So in a war of conquest, how much land do you think China can take and hold long term?
adjusted by their relative size? At least from Vladivostok to lake Baikal
Taking into account their incompetence? vladivostok and maaayybbe ( a big maybe) all the way up north to sakhalin

Anyway siberia will be a war of railways. There are no other modes of mass transport for bulk tonnage military needs and whoever controls the railway controls everything alongside it, including all the way up north';

'>>61582256
>Who would stand by Russia?
ironically burgers. they have this really weird simp complex regarding puccia and it goes farther then just ww2. They kvech their ass to not piss off senpai in place like ukraine with the escalation cringe but will fall head over heels to save sensei when it gets into real shit of their own making';

'>>61585185
>Less about what the Chinese can take.
>More about what the Russians can defend.
>In the event of a war, the front would be some 4000 km long.
Nah, its bs.
Frontline follows the few roads/rails they have. Nobody will defend nor attack 3900km of uninhabitable tundra or impassable forests and mountains. Its ironically somewhat easy to defend. There are alot of chinks though....';

'>>61582404
>China has economic leverage
we have been over this a badzillion times and yet again this stupid "but they will just buy in!" shit gets bought up. They tried the money carrot stick already and it did not work when push came to show, including migration colonization. If they want to use siberia to their fullest extent their need direct administrative control over it which demands military invasion as vatniks will never give it up willingly.';

'>>61582181
>china is getting stronger
>maybe we should talk about what weapons could help Taiwan and our friends in the SCS
>NAAAHHHH, let’s just make a fantasy about china attacking Russia in a thread that basically belongs on /tg/';

'>>61589126
>Russia's artillery or China's raw numbers.
changs have way more tubes then puccians have';

'>>61582181
Oh sweet a Chinese propaganda thread. Hey Zhang.';

'>>61588766
>Have you seen chink population density?
have you seen puccias? more importantly, have you seen how tiny russhitia is compared to even bangladesh

in raw output chyna completely BTFOs vatnikstan. Only thing they have going for them is large swatches of alaska tier wilderness which is hard to traverse. Which works both ways btw for the defender and attacker

everything boils down to how shit really chynas military really is';

'>>61585793
over half of their soviet junk deposits have already been depleted. Including the best kit they had. They also cant produce anything new from scratch in any real numbers. unlike chyna.

Equipment is non issue, vatniks lose easly on that front';

'>>61584989
>China officially only has ~300 warheads, and though realistic estimates of actual strength are way higher, Russia still possesses a significantly larger nuclear arsenal. Give it ten years
in this context it is more then enough, even if those numbers are actually true. Imperial construct like Russia is hyper centralized so threatening to carpet bomb both moscow and pidorsburg is enough to threaten to delete the entire existence of russia. With end result being neither moscow or beijing getting nooked for fucking vladivostok.

This does not mean limited exchanges in a siberian war would not happen though. Its a huge wasteland and using warhead here and there would equate to nook testing in practice areas except on live targets';

'>>61585687
>They are being used for labor in the economy but could just as well be used on the front.
>promise pussy in addition to general war booty like washing machines
>incel pool to draw from is already is larger then the entire available fighting age bulk of russia
yeah vatniks are already going to lose the meat wave contest';

'>>61582605
There last war ended as soon as Pakistan revealed their nukes';

'>>61588833
>beyond make Vladivostok Chinese again.
China is just copying Russia in that regard. Flooding the area with Chinese, saying the Chinese are being persecuted, that the treaty was fake/forced/not legit and it's Chinese clay really. They're happy letting Russia suffer because they'll demand it back in return for something. China does the same in Mongolia; floods the area with Chinese in border regions, buys out businesses with Chinese money, imports Chinese 'advisors' and ends up dominating the area, at which point they'll say it should be Chinese now. Muslims do it in non-Muslim nations, keep (relatively) quiet until they're a majority, then vote in pro-Muslim officials, then demand pro-Muslim policy changes while ostracising all the non-Muslims out of the area so it becomes defacto theirs. When Russia is 33% Muslim (predicted by 2030, but prob 2040, or sooner, depends on how many they've imported) you'll see that happen there too.';

'>>61585869
Hungarian media is essentially state controlled at this point thanks to Orban.

That read like every CNN/NBC article against a “controversial” Democrat led policy decision.';

'>>61589948
Couldn't either side just continuously sabotage the rail tracks thus turning war from a rail conflict to a horse and camel conflict?
I find it hard to imagine the rails wouldn't be bombed regularly especially now since you don't even need to send men sabotage the rails and can just use a few cheap suicide drones instead.

>>61589959
Translation of the image?

>>61585869
I thought that was just the local Rome police department because they're cheapskates and Poland allowing China via to Huawei to build their telephone poles, because they're cheapskates...

>>61590308
>Their 'far right' leader is prone to deceit, luxurious self spending, and siding with Communists shitholes whenever given the opportunity especially against Orthodox or Protestant Christians
Not surprising, he is a self proclaimed Papist after all.
>inb4 not all Catholics doe
Okay fine, just 90% of the ones in government. JFK was alright for the most part though.';

'>>61590401
It’s one of the reason I tend to be skeptical of any of the so-called “based trad” leaders. It’s like Francisco Franco all over again. Catholicism is really just a means to control the peasants through religion.';

'>>61590401
>Translation of the image?
Up top is "No to fascism!", with a Ukrainian trident (tryzub) used in place of a Ш. Not sure about the rest of it.';

'>>61589959
>Hindus have conquered Europe and threaten Russia
Sirs, it's over.';

'>>61585019
>Chincels are FAR from disposable. They are the investment of an entire family unit each,

>When little princes start dropping faster than their parents

South Korea, Taiwan and Japan all underwent forced population control (forced on them by the US) decades before China.

South Korea had a harsh brutal policy of sterilisation and abortions that reduced their fertility rate severely, ordering people only to have one or two children. That's why South Korean fertility is the lowest in the world.

By your logic all of these countries should be crap at fighting since most of then are single child households.


>They are the investment of an entire family unit each,

Family units don't matter if you have en entire clan already. There are clans with tens of thousands of members with the same paternal ancestry, they can loose 10,000 and the paternal clan will still exist.

One child policy was applied to each nuclear family unit within a clan but the entire paternal clan collectively still have tons of members.

Patrilineal clans are important in Chinese culture, you would rather your paternal cousin five times removed inherit your property and titles, than your daughter's children who belong to another clan';

'>>61585607
>>61585687
South Korea and Taiwan have lower fertility rates than the PRC and are rapidly aging .

Japan is below replacement and rapidly aging.

How many times have you predicted those suicide ridden shitholes collapse? Or is it only mainland China that's going to be magically affected?';

'>>61589126
>than a few borked UN deployments and historically they've only ever proven they know how to die really well.

Multiple African countries including South Sudan have shot down Russian UN peacekeeping helicopters killing all crew. It happened twice in South Sudan

https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/22/world/europe/russia-south-sudan-helicopter/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0GQ1PF/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92B0Q5/';

'>>61588766
China's less populated inland provinces still have tens of millions.

You can kill everyone in the densely populated coastal provinces and there will still be more people in China than in Russia.';

'>>61584815
Using recent combat experience as a measure for strength is dumb.

By that logic no country should ever have won the first war they fought, and Russia should have lost in Ukraine because no combat experience for most of their soldiers.';

'>>61582618
>There was what, that border squabble with India where everyone agreed to use shitty melee weapons so it wouldn't be a real conflict?

The agreement to use melee weapons was started in the 1980s, retard.

The surprise in 2020 was that with only melee weapons, 20 Indians died during an incident and dozens of more Indians were captured without any bullets being used.';

'>>61582256
The Vladivostok region was ruled by Ming dynasty as the Nurgan regional military commission.

The Ming dynasty sent Jurchen (Manchu) eunuch Yishiha to erect the Yongning temple stele on what is now controlled by Russia, after the Ming dynasty conquered the Jurchen.';

'>>61590401
rail lines itself is easy to repair. Its incredibly sturdy. Key point is bridges and tunnels which any competent military would send advanced recon groups to secure and keep an eye on until the main vanguard arrives';

'>>61592965
>any competent military would send advanced recon groups to secure and keep an eye on until the main vanguard arrives
What delusion is this? China can't just place recon elements in a thousand mile string into Russia to secure every bridge and those fictional recon elements can't do shit to stop a ballistic missile, drone, glide bomb etc.';

'>>61582181
China is more powerful than any country in the world if it came down to attacking on land. There's simply nothing one can do agains 100 million soldiers, if it came down to total war.

If the war was fought conventionally, with standing armies, reserves and so on, it might come to be somewhat close to Russia v Ukraine with China as Russia. Chinese army + reserves is 2.5m. Russian army + reserves is 3m. Issue will be that the Russia would not be able to support such a large army longterm. If Russia gets lendlease, which they might since people would be afraid of strong china more than russia, then they have a chance. If not, they lose East and hold down near Urals or West Siberia.';

'>>61593025
>China is more powerful than any country in the world if it came down to attacking on land
When they figure out teleporter tech maybe. Meanwhile in reality China is mostly a single inhabited coastal strip surrounded on all sides by terrain that would require years of dedicated, unmolested effort to take those numbers from the interior to the peripheral countries without getting slaughtered piecemeal.';

'>>61582181
Anything they wanted to take they would need to take and hold fast, as in 2 or 3 days. This would be fast enough that nooks wouldn't be an issue and they would holt before Russia could get scared enough to use them.
As for where they would try for I can't find an iron map of Russia but that is what the chinks will want.';

'Americans are retarded, holy shit';

'>>61593025
>There's simply nothing one can do agains 100 million soldiers, if it came down to total war.
.. .. anon, the problem here isn't the number of bodies you can push into the killbox overall, its the matter can you do it faster than they can kill them all';

'>>61593048
and? as if puccia is any better. Everything east of the urals boils down to a thin railway corridor as pointed out multiple times in this very bread

changs have more meat and metal to throw around even if individually they are incredibly inept. That and chang navy would have a free reign in the okhotsk sea provided burgers, nipps and koreans dont interfere.';

'>>61590600
>unironic demographic doomerism
okay doomies. Are demographic pyramids in history straight linears that go up or down into infinity with no inbetween';

'>>61590624
No, you retard. Russian nukes are enough to exterminate all 1.5 billion of them. Gooklets have no chance.';

'>>61593217
>Russian nukes are enough to exterminate all 1.5 billion of them.
thats not what the published physicist thinks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIPYfO5-qE';

'>>61593190
The point is China is geographically unsuited to offensives overland, so yes, in this scenario Russia's position is "better." If it were Russia invading China's position would be better. Do you understand?
>changs have more meat and metal to throw around even if individually they are incredibly inept
Do you know what a bottleneck is?';

'>>61590454
the rest are lyrics of Wake up, the great country. a patriotic song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4_2Qa0QQs';

'>>61593217
and chinks have enough to wipe out vatnikstan in kind. your point being?';

'>>61593238
>Russia can invade China way more easily, using the same roads within China that China itself apparently can't use to put troops on the frontline
Huh?';

'>>61593247
Are you illiterate?';

'>>61593253
>make retarded point
>seethe at anyone not able to understand what you're blabbering about';

'>>61593266
Are you illiterate?';

'>>61593318
>>61593253
bot post';

'>>61593321
No, I just don't have anything else to say to someone who can't read.';

'>>61582652
I stopped reading rainbow 6 as soon as he started on splicing ebola with ass cancer';

'>>61593238
> If it were Russia invading China's position would be better.

Only Heilongjiang and Inner Mongolia which have flat grassland.

There's a bottleneck at the few mountain passes at the great wall where they would be massacred.';

'>>61593217
Russia doesn't have enough middle launchers to launch all the nukes at once idiot.

Same with US.

US and Russia both have more warheads than missile silos and launchers. If all of Russia's missile silos are destroyed in a counterstrike they can't launch any more nukes.

Also the intention of Russia's larger arsenal is that they are going to destroyed everyone else and not just the country they are fighting to make sure no one else can inherit the earth. Russia would also nuke Japan, UK etc. If it was going o get destroyed in a war with China.';

'>>61582181
There is no nukes scenario. Russia is in shambles both, militarily and economically. They absolutely depend on china and almost their whole army is in ukraine. China invading them right now would absolutely be a death sentence for them. Nukes will be used, tactically at first as a warning and if that fails strategically.';

'>>61590592
>That's why South Korean fertility is the lowest in the world.
they have like 50+ million bodies on a area that is about twice the size of a micro state like Estonia (1 million). Like nipps last thing they need is more bodies on these microscopic territories';

'>>61593241
No they don't, and chink tech is garbage.';

'>>61585380
They are a net-producer of calories (though how ecologically sustainable that is in it's current form is another question), though they net-import meat and other delicatessen. In a state of total war they'll eat the gruel if they have to.';

'>>61595085
The majority of Russia's population is concentrated in European Russia and east of the Urals its concentrated in a belt along its southern border all the way ro Vladivostok. Almost nobody except natives lives in northern Siberia.

China definitely has enough nukes to blanket those places.';

'am i ugly';

'>>61582181
China could liberate mongolia yes. But what worth is it if all the mongols have been genocided by drunk ivans. They could kick out the ivans at least and let the survuíving mongolia populate it.';