'>Unclear ethics
>Unclear legality
>Unclear goals
>Dubious methodology
It felt bleak because it was a farce from the start and didn't really improve anything. The chance to make it quick and decisive was fumbled, the rest of the 2 decade period was just kicking the can down the road and playing cleanup.';

'Fighting against an enemy that never existed
Getting blown up by IEDs on the road at any time and the lone wolf dragunov or a suicide attack on the base
Cold chested Americans fighting half hearted, not welcome in the country they think they're liberating';

'>>61584177
https://files.catbox.moe/i4djad.mp4

bro GWOT was a vibe, fuck you talkng about?
There hadnt been that kind of lopsided bodystacking since the first sandbox adventure';

'>war on terror
>war on a political ideology
>NOT having a grand strategy for GWOT

It's like America was begging to lose';

'>muh kino
fuck off';

'the palette is a bit monochromatic';

'>>61584241
I often forget these are thirdie hours on this board.';

'>>61584241
so hows the weather on your side of the world, saar?';

'>>61584241
That has fuck all to with American casualties.';

'>>61584241
>The casualties back home were so high
WWII and Vietnam were much higher.
>it mindbroke your nation turning it queer
Europe did that first. Specifically Germany in the 1920s, and then again in the 1960s/1970s.
>more dependent on opiods than ever,
That's true, I'll give you that one.
>your women more adulterous than ever
They were more so in the late 1960s.
>positions of power given to women
We had already opened that can of worms in WWII with giving them factory jobs.
>condemning the US dollar to a certain death
Britain survived their fall from superpower status in the 1970s/1980s, so would we.';

'>>61584275
>>more dependent on opiods than ever,
>That's true, I'll give you that one.
don't even
the opioid "epidemic" came from doctors handing them out like candy & china funding cartels to funnel it into the US';

'Did it? It certainly went on much longer than anybody had hoped, but nobody was particularly sad about it. We were there to murder every motherfucker even tangentially related to 9/11, and we did. Frankly we should have pulled out once we got bin laden, but other than that it was pretty smooth sailing and most people forgot it was even going on for long stretches. Between Fallujah and the surge, and from about 2012 until the Afghan withdrawal it barely got reported on most weeks. Syria and Libya stole a lot of its thunder desu.';

'>>61584241
>casualties was so high
The casualties was so low that we can individually name every soldiers killed in battle.
>muh queers
Not a GWOT thing, retard. Its like you missed the 80s or even before that.
>opioids
Not a GWOT thing, thats a war on drugs thing. Even then, it has been an issue for a long time.
>women adulterous
Women were never pure and monogamous back then. Them cheating just been more publicized than before. Not a GWOT thing.
>positions given to women
Matters fuck all.
>condemning the US dollar to a certain death
The U.S. dollar is literally growing stronger than before. Why are you making shit up? Are you this desperate in nitpicking for a victory?';

'>>61584304
>>61584275
>>61584241
This is the same anon replying to himself 100%';

'>>61584241
>condemning the US dollar to a certain death.
??? The U.S. dollar barely budged and has grown stronger. The russians invading Ukraine has pretty much solidified the U.S. dollar to grow. I'd worry more about the ruble/yuan than the dollar.';

'>>61584309
>haha! i'll just claim someone is a samefag, that way i can say anything & get away with it!';

'>>61584241
>women more adulterous than ever
They actually are less than before. You missed the era where its common for women to meet a man while their husbands are at work. If we go further back, you'd have women in their homes inviting soldiers to have a fun time.';

'>>61584177
Probably the lack of national attention after initial involvement. Bombs everywhere. The heat. Trying to win hearts and minds with corrupt assholes and hajis. It probably was the boredom.';

'>>61584177
Because it wasn't a war, it was an open-ended policing action holding up a house of cards that everyone knew was going to collapse the second we left - and it also felt like we were never going to leave. The entire exercise felt completely aimless and pointless.
>>61584292
>>61584220
These feel like takes from a zoomer who read about it rather than lived it';

'>>61584320
>come and say /pol/ garbage
>get angry when called out
BACK YOU GO!

>>61584335
NTA, anon I'm a zoomer and I have a decent understanding of the GWOT because I've read quite a few books about it. The first maybe month or two of Afghanistan was a "kill everyone associated to the Taliban" thing sure but after that it turned into a fucked up policing action as you said. It's not a zoomer thing to be that retarded, it's just a retard thing.';

'>>61584342
yes, yell at the anon that isn't even the ones you called samefags, you really showed us
oh and
>muh /pol/
take your reddit spacing ass the fuck outta here, fag boy';

'>>61584241
>The casualties back home
Thirdies are grasping.

Take the civilians 9/11
Add all the US military casualties of the next twenty years
Add even to that whatever US civilian casualties you might find.
Compare it to how many enemy fighters were killed.
It would still be lopsided in favor of the US.

Now since you want to include US civilians, let's put the civilian goatfuckers along with their own fighters in the equation.
You are granted permission to cry.';

'>>61584342
>It's not a zoomer thing to be that retarded
I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying that if you weren't actually in the zeitgeist at the time, you're not as likely to have the same perspective on it. That's the impression I get from the gwot = kino posters';

'>>61584355
How goes the saying ?
The black man wants to genocide the white man but can't.
The white man can genocide the black man but doesn't want to.
There might be a better way to phrase it.';

'>>61584177
Desert kino.';

'>>61584366
I agree with you on that too. I got the tail end of it (you know, 2008+ period). I think the "kino" shit is from people who are either really stupid or who were born after 2006 or so, anon. Nobody sane looks at Fallujah or Mosul and thinks it's cool or "aesthetic".

>>61584351
Go back.';

'>>61584370
>I agree with you on that too.
>Nobody sane looks at Fallujah or Mosul and thinks it's cool or "aesthetic".
No you don't, kid. You're just a piss baby who doesn't belong here, yet is too afraid to admit it.
You're not impressing anyone, you're just being a stain on our board.
Get the fuck out, and don't return. And take your vbucks and vape with you.';

'>>61584370
War looks cool. What do you want?';

'>>61584309
I believe it.';

'>>61584241
>The casualties back home were so high
huh?';

'>>61584387
I think I'll stay here actually.';

'>>61584398
I have a better place you can go. >>>lgbt
You'd love it there, I heard its all the rage for, uh, "guys" like you.';

'>>61584407
>he doesn't even know how to post board links and he's telling others to leave
>>>/pol/';

'>>61584414
Sorry, I don't normally have to link other boards, because I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic tranny who calls every post he disagrees with a pol poster.
Honest mistake, missy.';

'>>61584427
>paranoid schizophrenic tranny
go back';

'>>61584433
To where? I'm not from /pol/, saar.
>Verification not required.';

'>>61584177
The GWOT was an act of revenge that the American people realised they didn't have the bloodlust for. They thought it was Pearl Harbor 2.0, but I think it was just how easily they crushed the enemy that destroyed expectations. It's hard to keep a cogent political belief when all supposition about the danger of the enemy suddenly evaporates.';

'>>61584471
There was plenty of bloodlust. The early days of the gwot were extremely emotional, not just in America (I say this as a leaf). The problem was that once the Taliban were sent running to the hills, the conflict turned into an endless low-intensity slog to build a pipe dream society in Afghanistan that nobody seriously believed was possible. And then it took a turn completely unrelated to 9/11 with the Iraq invasion, and doubled down on the "nation building" that no one believed in.';

'>>61584177
fentanyl is cheaper and easier to produce than heroin';

'>>61584177

To build on >>61584195

>was a lost cause virtually from the day it began due to basically everyone in the Bush Administration being delusional retards (Obama and Trump had already wised up to it but kicked the can down the road in the hopes of not being blamed for the inevitable disaster that was the Fall of Kabul)
>America was decidedly the bad guy (at least in the case of Iraq), but the sandniggers are hardly saints either, at least North Vietnamese knew how to put on a good show propaganda-wise (Jane Fonda was a PR godsend)
>lasted so long that the public's bloodlust from 9/11 almost completely disappeared and was instead replaced by universal revulsion at the US government's incompetence and brutality
>created a permanent state of national emergency that saw a naked erosion of Americans' civil rights
>far from "bringing Americans together" (as was the case following Pearl Harbor), 9/11 and GWOT American sent political division into overdrive and is arguably the single-biggest reason why America is pretty much one election away from collapsing into civil war today
>saw a profound decline in the US Military in virtually every regard, hence the collapsing recruitment numbers and /pol/tard schizobabble about "ZOGbots dying for niggers/LGBT/Jews" gradually becoming normalized';

'>>61584370
>Nobody sane looks at Fallujah or Mosul and thinks it's cool or "aesthetic".
You can find edits on youtube with Fallujah footage pretty easily. Hell there's even a game about it';

'>>61584177
slow internet
Carlos the chud passing around USBs stuffed full of porn
Guys in your barracks wankin it 24/7
Wankin it in the shitter
Wankin it after dark
Laundry was expensive
Afghani kids asking you for ballpoint pens so they can take them back to Mohammad the terrorist who turns them into IED blast caps to kill your friends
Hot and sweaty every fucking day
Lunch today is known as beans and motherfuckers, you'll soon find out why';

'>>61584759
>Guys in your barracks wankin it 24/7

Someone post the greentext of the Marine who got caught with pregnant Anne Frank hentai';

'>>61584241
>Enter a thread with a question about the US military
>Find unhinged brownoid shilling inside';

'>>61584322
Thank god marriage rates have collapsed to almost nothing, adultery is over boys.';

'>>61584759
>you'll soon find out why
Chemical deterrent against terrorists?';

'>>61584772
Imagine the worst hot dog you ever had in your life';

'>>61584177
>Why did the GWOT feel so much more bleak compared to the wars before it?

idk man, the Soviet-Afghan War seemed like nothing but one long journey of despair that ultimately ended in the complete collapse of the USSR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_CJrweevpA';

'>>61584177
It was a gay war for kikes and I don't respect anyone who fought in it.';

'>>61584739
It pretty much also cemented the entire establishments plan and that of the intelligence agencies to carry out that retarded plan to destabilize the entire middle east in some retarded boomer effort to permanently cut them off from their former soviets allegiances.

Shit is giga retarded and prime example how these ruling "elites" fear nothing and how military leadership devolving into politics will happily go along with retarded plans. The more you think about it, the more it erodes your confidence in authority and whether what they're doing is actually right for you and your own, or if they're only in it for their own gain.';

'>>61584915

Yep, like I said, it's made America more likely to collapse in on itself than less because basically no one has any faith in leaders anymore (with good reason albeit) and only institutional inertia and fear keep it going. But even those will only work for so long.

Osama bin Laden got exactly what he wanted, even though he didn't live to see it (he was a devout Muslim anyway, so I about even the thought of his own death troubled him all that much).';

'I deployed to Afghanistan as an 18 year old kid in 2011. We arrived in country literally the exact same day that OBL died. The mission set changed not long after, and everything went from combat ops focused to now train the afghans. It was such clear bs that the afghans were fucked. As an 18 year old kid it was clear as day how shitty they were and they would be totally fucked when we leave one day. In 2021 when that actually happened, I was not shocked at all when i watched that shit on TV. It would have happened the exact same had we pulled out in 2012 too.';

'>>61584177
>GWOT
>bleak
Lmao what? The entire thing was just dudes dicking about in a desert for two decades before going home.';

'>>61584241
didn't read
I like the bounty cards. I made sure to keep a set.';

'>>61584769
This is wrong though. Marriage rates are going back up and divorce has gone down. Divorce is mostly a boomer issue because boomer women hate their husbands.
>>61584177
Because there wasn't even the pretext it was for a good cause or had a goal besides pissing into the wind. At least nam or Korea had a discreet enemy and goal.';

'>>61585360

and America is honestly stronger than ever. Better yet, America hasn't even peaked.

GWOT was stupid but so many fucking retards think that America is about to fall into a civil war or its the worst its ever been, but its either thirdie/euro cope to compensate for their dogshit countries or self-hating Americans compensating for their dogshit lives.';

'>>61584241
all the little faggots can do is call you brown
>>61584249
>>61584260
>>61584355
and they completely ignore the absolute shit insane suicide rates of veterans in the US, which are amongst the worst on planet earth

>>61584309
sock puppetting is 90% of the posts here';

'>>61585519
they might also just be kids who haven't heard about the sixties yet';

'>>61584177
not sure what gwame of thrones has to do with anything';

'>>61584177
Cause it was
I was born in the year 2000 that war started in 2001, When I graduated high school I had a buddy who joined the army and went Iraq
A literal generational war.';

'>>61584177
Because frankly it wasn't worth the cost. Afghanistan is back under the thumb of the Taliban, and while Iraq is a bit better off but it's still a very destabilized country that's currently filled with shit loads of Iranian backed militias who hate the United States. Obviously the US needed to retaliate for 9/11, but putting bin Laden's head on a pike shouldn't have been a 1/5th century project. The Neo-cons dream of filling the Middle East with US friendly democracies that ended up taking up most of the War on Terror was largely a flop. Partly because they didn't understand those cultures, but also because they were retarded boomers who didn't understand nation building.

And it's not just costs in lives, it's money and opportunities. The US spent trillions of dollars on a conflict that ran a lot of our legacy cold war kit ragged, while under investing in our next generation gear because "Peer conflicts will never be a thing again". And now we're kinda having to correct for that. For example. Right now the US is in a race to manufacture more stealth fighters than the PRC. That's a race we're winning, but it wouldn't even be a competition if we'd kept the F-22 production lines open instead of fucking around in the Middle East for 20 years. The PRC's appetite to FAFO would potentially be a lot lower if we had a metric shit ton of modernized Raptor variants with all the bling we developed for the F-35.';

'>>61586074
>we very narrowly avoided having Americans born after 9/11 die in Afghanistan';

'>>61585519
>and America is honestly stronger than ever. Better yet, America hasn't even peaked.';

'>>61586310
>there are some fat guardsmen
>America has fallen
Really?';

'>>61586310
>His nation doesn't have integrated ration belts.
Ngmi';

'>>61586310
Is that a Justice Rocket Backpack Rocket Rocket';

'>>61586467
If we aren't actively hate raping turd worlders they get uppity. So yes.';

'I hate turd-worlders so fucking much it's unreal';

'>>61584427
>brings up trannys unprompted';

'>>61584177
>Why did the GWOT feel so much more bleak compared to the wars before it?
It did't honestly the wars immediately before it were the Balkans with mass executions,serb murder rape nightmare holiday camps and free grandmother disembowelment thrown in. Unless you are talking about the cheery wars im sierra leone or Uganda or Rwanda with the amputation punishment drugged child soldier machete slaughter of pregnant women and other kids. GWOT was mostly a big policing action with very little mass slaughter, heavy artillery or other real grimdark antics like mass torture death reprisals against kids and women. I knew someone who was in Somalia before the Americans were there. This kid is begging like they always do so he gets some water and a can. Father drags him up by the ear to the checkpoint, shoots the kid in the head and walks off leaving the body there. I know people who were kicking around croatia in 1991/92 and some of the 'warning atrocities' left behind in villages by paramilitaries were out of dantes inferno, straight from Hell..';

'>>61586989
We all do anon, don't worry. You have to actually experience them yourself to understand how shit they really are.';

'>>61584177
>Why did the GWOT feel so much more bleak compared to the wars before it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve42DWluB8A
Sierra Leone's Cocaine-Drugged Child Soldiers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYURvl8WXFU
Uganda's LRA war criminals speak about horrors of war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktzqV_DTVkE
The Perpetrators of the Rwandan Genocide Are At Large in the Congo (2010)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTWykNLJ6c
Perpetual Violence and Warfare in the DRC (2000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hs6u3wyNpU
Vukovar 1991: The Hospital

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrREmLSkD1E
Remember Ovčara Victimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoErpabn-jU
Srebrenica - Unwinding Memories';

'>>61586310
What's going on with the optic and muzzle in top left? And why does he have an IR laser in the middle of the day';

'>>61587875
Muzzle is a blank-shooting device that helps gas head back through the system so it's just like shooting for real. God knows why he set up the rest of his rifle that way.';

'>>61587875
>muzzle
It's a blank firing adaptor for use during exercises
>IR laser
Why in the flying fuck would you take it off during the day, especially if you zeroed it already? That's a great way to lose a piece of SI.';

'>>61586310
The VA National Guard is a stronger military organization than most third world countries.';

'>>61584177
Because in previous wars, soldiers weren't gambling with life imprisonment every time they fought to defend America.';

'>>61584177
It was less of a war and more of an extended occupation carried out with the intent to civilize brown people.
It was a losing battle from the start, as brown people will always resist civilization, and the second the US left, the region was doomed to return to chaos.';

'>>61588019
Massacring civilians while drunk in an active warzone seems like the natural progression in a life of avoidable fuck-ups .
>> proven history of being a scumbag + later TBI
Yeah';

'>>61588061
Carful anon. The Liberal Inquisition will be on your ass if you say how futile it is to civilize subhumanity and state the obvious truth about how we could have won in the Middle East.
>Hint: Kill
>2nd Hint: Kill
>3rd Hint: Kill
>>61584241
>>61584320
>>61584427
>>61585637
The lengths that Reddit invaders will go to avoid making arguments often makes me wonder if the act of doing so triggers a fatal allergic reaction in the creatures.';

'>>61588019
>wipe out a village while shitfaced because your wife is leaving you
>"[fighting] to defend America"
In your personal opinion, what would one have to do to go overboard while on a combat tour? Is it even possible?';

'>>61588168
Hit your own side by accident is where zeal goes too far. If we were fighting properly in Afghanistan instead of being constrained by pussy bleeding heart liberals (I've turned a few into bleeding heart literals) then the only muzzies in Afghanistan would be good muzzies and we sould be free to extract resources like the conqueror nations of old.';

'>>61584177
>That Chieftain dressed up to look like an Abrams in the background

It irritates me so fucking much when they do this in movies';

'>>61584220
>bro GWOT was a vibe, fuck you talkng about?

Shut the fuck up zoomer. I glad you will never own a home.';

'>>61588158
Elon Musk should buy 4chan. Then this board will once again chatter with arguments instead of ad-redditums.';

'>>61584177
the outcome was never in doubt.

you can't 'win' against an idea militarily and militarily there was never a question that the opposition in Iraq or Afghanistan could 'win' the conflict in a classical sense and would just wait until coalition forces got bored and it was no long politically popular to stick around.';

'>>61588406
See >>61588192';

'>>61584398
Based.
Ignore the troll, everything he says is projection.

Someone mentioned in another thread that some CIA guys, who had studied/lived around Afghan for a while,
and were also comfortable thinking outside the NeoLib/NeoCon "post-History" box,
Suggested Afghan should be reorganized around a King. At least do King first, before attempting a Constitution. But they got overriden.
Interestinf thought experiment, Afghanistan or Iraq with a restored monarchy instead.

Anyway weapon-wise I'm glad we got MaxxPro and Cougar MRAP's out of these foreverwar "Presence Patrols." Those things are beastly.';

'>>61587875
optics enmass just came out around that time. People were trying to figure out how they worked.
>>61587945
>>61587961
these two are zoomers';

'>>61588434
>Suggested Afghan should be reorganized around a King.
They are still cringe. A better idea is detailed here: >>61588192';

'>>61588019
>behaving like a nigger is defending America

Okay Mr. "I got kicked out of the Army for trying to form a literal death squad and being too stupid to pass it off as a joke" anon (yes, I know it's you).';

'>>61588453
>(yes, I know it's you)
I've never denied it whenever someone identifies me.';

'man if we keyboarderriors were there that shit woulda been ova in a jiffy';

'thank hussein obama he didnt want america to win';

'>>61584177
>Why did the GWOT feel so much more bleak compared to the wars before it?
it did't, the USA and it's service men along with ISAF troops generally behaved well. If you want grim look at Africa or Yugoslavia, even Northern Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxfUpIs9tfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVylDf8f5qQ';

'fake ass american jayzs crackhead friend thx obama';

'>>61588479
You want to know what's incredibly ironic? The Taliban throw faggots off buildings, which is basedness that liberals abhor but it's those same liberals infiltration and sabotage of the US military (the pussy leftist concept that is War Crimes is how they got their foot in the door) that caused us to lose to the Taliban.';

'>>61588513
>The Taliban throw faggots off buildings
That was isis actually the taliban have a wall fall over on them in the past anyway and checking it seems now too
“For homosexuals, there can only be two punishments: either stoning, or he must stand behind a wall that will fall down on him.”';

'>>61588513
>(the pussy leftist concept that is War Crimes is how they got their foot in the door)
Sorry anon, your're a fucking idiot. Take some time there shutting the fuck up. Rape, theft and murder are criminal acts whether they take place in a war zone or not. Then again, you'll never be near one so who fucking cares what simpleton vomit you spew.';

'>>61588513
that is incredibly based
giving away afghan and before that all the houses for the banks. both parties are actually ass and people still vote like the candidate matters. let us vote on the issues fuck the candidates';

'>>61588434
>hinking outside the NeoLib/NeoCon "post-History" box
The amount of fucking commie nonsense words you try and pack in instead of actually saying anything makes me think you are actually fucking retarded.';

'GWOT let boomers live out their dreams of sending younger Americans to die for Israel, truly kino';

'>>61584177
Remember this one?';

'>>61588705
Now here we are 40 years later. Not a single fucking thing has changed.

Great job GWOT';

'>>61588436
>original post references an IR laser on the side of the weapon
>talk about optics out of nowhere and call others zoomers to boot';

'First war in hi-res cheap video.
all the other wars were drab and shitty but we only see the exciting pictures and bad vidya that makes it look more vibrant';

'>>61584765
Here ya go anon';

'There's a certain feeling watching the rich documentation of gen x'ers and millennials fighting in the early-mid years of the war.
I remember watching a video of a tank crew blasting Bodies over the radio into their headsets. It kinda made them all more relatable';

'>>61584195
unclear enemy is probably the most poignant feature

who the fuck are we even fighting here? some old lady with a C4 vest?';

'>>61588961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZuM4zFg-60
>POV: You're in a bog standard US Army mission in a humvee circa ~00s and the CO wants one of the guys to play some music for everyone';

'>>61584195
>can we shoot them?
>idk just wave back bro
this is what happens when you let non-Americans lead the country';

'>>61584230
it was marketing per se, just like the war on drugs
it was never designed to be won in any fashion or even to stop the tide of drugs/terrorism, it was simply an excuse to fund endless conflicts and reap in $$$

you know they're dying to do it again, probably domestically with a war on extremism lol';

'>>61589056
I personally think Biden is letting foreign policy go to shit on purpose to have constant foreign conflicts the US can profit off of.';

'>>61589062
I think he's a retarded old fool serving his purpose and the direct result is global fuckery that will justify future conflicts. He is incapable of navigating a staircase, how the fuck could he possibly prevent a war? He 100% shits his own pants, not even joking. The president craps in his pants.';

'george washington wouldve challenged putin and xi to a duel at the same time';

'>>61584177
"bleak" isnt really the word I'd use for it. I'd have said monotonous, or tedious maybe.';

'>>61584230
>It's like America was begging to lose
The gist of it was that there were a lot of bad people around the world that hated the American way of life.
And that was ok : you are allowed to be jealous of the best country in the world.
But some of those bad people, they had just crossed a line by targeting actual american civilians on american territory.
They had to go. And if that allowed to kill a lot of other bad people along the way, well good enough.
We could not call it "let's go annihilate any tribe with people dumb enough to aim at us" so we went with War on Terror.
Somewhere along the way, it morphed into nation building where it should have just been about killing a generation of wannabe terrorists.';

'>>61589062
do you honestly belive biden is capable of doing anything other than showing up to a photo shoot and reciting his prepared lines?
he's a walking human muppet 100% they only picked him as a frontman because he was the "cleanest" established name they could put forth and control at the same time

he's not president of anything, not even his own bowels';

'>>61589062
>>61589316
>>61589567
As if Trump is any better';

'>>61591591
this way of thinking has destroyed america, fucking libtards';

'>>61588705
Steve McCurry - Red Boy, Holi Festival, Mumbai, India, 1996 - Steve McCurry (Colour Portrait)
About Red Boy, Holi Festival, Mumbai, India, 1996 - Steve McCurry';

'>>61584230
you'll have copers who say that America WON Iraq.
the USA wanted a friendly Iraq to gain more influence in the middle east, so we invaded a hostile Iraq to turn it friendly.';

'>>61584177
>massive attack on American soil
>kills roughly the same amount of people as the Japan had at Pearl Harbor
>same level of bloodlust
>goto afghanistan to take names
>pakistanis betray us and airlift bin laden, several taliban senior leaders, and the al qaeda training network to pakistan
>unable to go into pakistan because it's a house of shit and piss that'll collapse with any external force
>cannot finish the job, so attempt to "westernize" a country that honestly does not wish to be westernized
>same hearts and mind shit that we tried in vietnam
>cannot hunt down enemy combatants
>cannot disarm drug lords and their militias out of fear of destroying local economies
>cannot go after the mullahs which are teaching people to plant bombs to kill us
>cannot arrest or deal with village elders which are hiding supplies and people for numerous armed groups
>cannot fucking do anything because it might hurt the hearts and mind campaign
The biggest problem with the US Military's approach to counter insurgency is that it works under the idea that we can trust locals with anything. It should have been a military occupation for 10-15 years with every religious, business, and village leader being forced to hand over their next of kin as hostages to be raised in the west, and returned as loyal puppets.';

'>>61585291
Hey at least you got paid.';

'>>61584177
>China funds the Taliban in a war to weaken the US
>spend years and trillions of dollars on a war that can't end because there was no clear plan from the beginning
>Taliban take the hand off and repay China with access to Afghanistan's vast lithium mines';

'>>61585519
>America is honestly stronger than ever

don't make me post the info graph showing how many big macs you could buy on an hour of min wage salary in 1980 versus today.';

'>>61591686
Not him, but both candidates are shit. Stop defending the two party system. It's not like they are any different on the issues that matter. Funding Israeli and Ukraine for wars on our dime, proves that. What happened to America first?';

'>>61584195
fpbp
it was a waste of time, lives and resources';

'>>61588453
Post the green text that sounds hilarious';

'>>61584177
>Why did the GWOT feel so much more bleak compared to the wars before it?
I didn't fight in it, but as someone who was homeside it never felt bleak in the slightest.

People were just pissed that we were over there wasting time and lives on stupid shit.';

'>>61592689
>let's vote for RFK';

'>>61587961

>Why in the flying fuck would you take it off during the day
Why in the flying fuck does he have one period? Can't mount an optic but we expect this chimp to understand night vision?';

'>>61591754
You left out the part where Donald Rumsfeld is directly responsible for letting bin Laden slip into Afghanistan because of his micromanagement of the invasion and insistence on a “light footprint”. Every single 2000’s neo conservative should be hung from a lamppost by their nuts while their families are burned to death in front of them.';

'>>61594109
*slip into Pakistan';

'>>61592689
>The candidate that brought a better economy and less tension globally isnt better both sides are bad goy why dont you do a terror act or be blackpilled and check out?
This line of thinking is why the US is going to shit.';

'>>61594136
One candidate might occasionally be marginally better than the other but they both answer to the wealthy elite and lobbyists. Neither side actually cares about you or me unless you happen to be a hedge fund manager pharmaceutical CEO.';

'>>61594164
How is whining going to solve anything? You want to be a revolutionary at least have the balls to act like one.';

'>>61594172
Nothing short of societal collapse will “solve” the problems with our current system, and that’s not happening anytime soon. We can’t stop wealthy people and corporations from buying politicians but that doesn’t mean we have to like it or pretend everything is fine.
>You want to be a revolutionary at least have the balls to act like one
By doing what exactly? Joining an FBI honeypot militia? Going to protests and screaming at the void? Al Qaeda destroyed the fucking World Trade Center and it only made bankers MORE entrenched in politics.';

'>>61594227
You're not profound, you're not saying anything new, shut up and wait for the collapse or do something.';

'>>61594231
>You're not profound, you're not saying anything new
Yeah no shit
>shut up and wait for the collapse or do something
Collapse isn’t coming in our lifetime and nothing we do will change that so I’ll continue to live my life, but I’m not going to pretend that anyone in DC cares about me or my family';

'>>61584177
It wasn't a war, it was fully kitted mercenaries with billions of dollars in gear and vehicles slaughtering random goat herders that just wanted to be left in peace.';

'>>61584355
plus all the depleted uranium we left behind
generations of sandniggers tainted by the stuff';

'>>61584220
You are a retarded zoomer.';

'>>61586310
I was listening to a interview with a Ranger that went NG. He couldn't believe how fat everyone was.';

'>>61588705
She didn't age well.';

'>>61588765
you have to be trolling. I refuse to believe that anyone is this bad at reading.';

'>>61584391
For you to grow up';

'>>61596261
i wish this were true, s*rbs deserve everything they get';

'>>61591686
Trump did more to harm America than any other American in the last 30 years, and he didn't even have to do much.';

'>>61584177
Because it involved the religion of peace.';

'>>61598174
>Trump did more to harm America
2016 was almost a decade ago anon';

'>>61598686
>it's the current year';

'>>61584177
It wasn't.';

'>>61584177
What's the movie?';

'>>61598686
Holy fuck where did the time go? NTA but I am now that old guy saying "in 2017 I was getting ammo for..." not even realizing it's been that long. 2016 will be 10 years ago in 2 years. What the fuck.';

'>>61596261
this little guy is working out at the library';

'>>61584177
>weapons';

'>>61584177
It was fun except there was no pussy. You see it's all about pussy.';

'>>61584177

It was a lost cause, everyone knew it and no one did a damn thing about it.

>>61584230

Pretty much

>>61588019
>>61588513

>acting like a nigger is… LE BASED

You are not and never will be white, Ivan.

>>61588705

Honestly it’s a fucking tragedy how the entire Soviet-Afghan War has been reduced to a leftist/zigger anti-American talking point (“remember when dah CIA funded bin Laden guyz?!”) and the genocidal criminality of the Soviet Union that prompted America to intervene gets completely glossed over.

https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft7b69p12h&chunk.id=d0e5195#

Seriously, Rambo III and Charlie Wilson’s War are literally the only two pieces of Western pop culture that seem to adknowledge that war ever took place, let alone that is was a crime against humanity and a ample demonstration of the USSR’s evil.

https://youtu.be/j4QAow0xFe8?si=8unpCXY2lWjKhv5t';

'>>61584220

This poster was born after 9/11 so clownworld is literally all he knows';

'>>61584195
>>61584335
>>61586102
>>61588061
>>61588406
>>61599821
Told you so. But we got shit for telling the truth. Remember freedom fries and all those white flag jokes? Still waiting for official apologies btw.';

'>>61584177
One of the most understandable but depressing parts is how many soldiers were blatantly in it just for the college and healthcare, so you don't even have the tragedy of Vietnam draftees being dragged over there by force. These guys were just lower socio-economic class and willing to kick rocks and maybe shoot at someone once in a while over economic problems.';

'>>61584220
>Endless quagmires in sandboxes that put the US further and further into debt, plus ruined our reputation on the internation stage are a """vibe"""
I want to make fun of you in a clever way, but I am afraid it would go over your head. So I am just gonna call you a retard.';

'>>61585637
>shit insane suicide rates of veterans in the US
Well yeah, any suicide rate is insane when you can be lumped into it for 30 days of service 70 years ago.';

'>>61603842
You don't get points for saying and doing the same shit you always do, Pierre.
And I doubt you're really french because literally nobody remembers freedom fries but this one retarded shitposter on 4chan. I think you're him, tho.';

'>>61586310
I always find it funny that this image had to compare fucking Rangers and Infantrymen from the 101st to some random NG POGs';

'>>61604039
Well I'm actually french and I was born in the 80's. I remember the shitstorm pretty well, and I'm not going to forget it anytime soon. Our mass medias weren't completely subjugated yet, so the US were criticized a lot for all that shit. I shitpost quite a lot but I don't think I'm the anon you're thinking about.';

'>>61588344
Yeah, but you couldn't actually expect them to somehow magically acquire a fucking Abrams to satisfy your tastes anon.';