'>>61585348
The exact same.';

'>>61585348
bullet train
will feign to russian arty radars that Ukraine is using more arty than they actually have';

'UK has just ordered these to replacd our AS90s, i have no idea how our Army managed to make a good procurement decision for once.';

'>>61585348
so cool
nuff said';

'this is overengineerd germanoid junk
krab better';

'>>61585348
I love that they just look like a naval turret stuck to a boxer';

'>>61585348
I think they are complete fucking overkill and a gimmick.

There's no way that thing has any useful accuracy at long range while firing on the move while driving on anything other than perfectly level asphalt where there's not even even a grain of sand.';

'>>61586132
Just use them with SMArt 155 or Excalibur.';

'>>61586231
You're a rich guy.';

'>>61586132
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means your are uneducated and/or ignorant.';

'>>61586338
I don't care what kind of Krautmetall copium you are huffing, you can't stabilize a 9 meter long barrel while moving on realistic terrain and expect to be accurate at long range.
Until you can prove otherwise you are just a sucker for corporate brochures.
Yeah I have seen the videos of it firing on the move, they don't show any of the shells landing though, probably because the accuracy is measured in acres.';

'>>61585348
>tfw we can make cantabrian circles with artillery now
Bueno';

'>>61586406
I'm sure western militaries are trialing it and confirming what you say, then buying it anyway lol';

'>>61585968
Oh boy do I have a treat for you';

'>>61585968
it seems to be a ad-hoc trench for SPAAG deveolopements. IIRC the Gooks and the French are literally just re-using 30/40mm Navalturret/guns to make SPAAG functional turrets currently, because of the drone menace';

'>>61585348
How is it not a shoot and scoot platform? Do they give themselves flat tires if they shoot the gun?';

'>>61586624
its a shoot while scoot';

'>>61586566
Meh, I like the big gun naval turrets. Would be neat if you could fit an actual naval turret on a tank since they have like 20-30 rpm rates of fire.';

'>>61586406
>tell the computer where to fire
>hold down the trigger
>the computer wait until the randomly bumping around barrel points at the exact correct angle
>fire
It requires very good sensors, but it's not exactly rocket science my guy.';

'>>61586646
Would be a decent way to address all the scrap that has come from the Blacked Sea Fleet.';

'>>61588121
by the time the shell leaves the barrel it will no longer be in the exact correct angle';

'>>61588512
What if it just stopped, fired twice and then moved within 8 seconds? Thereby making it incredibly difficult to spot with counterbattery?
https://www.knds.de/en/systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/artillery/rch-155/
The platform offers a lot more than just fire on the move too.';

'>>61588512
So same issues handled daily by the FCS of an MBT?';

'>>61586132
>overkill
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>61585348
>can fire on the move
Doesn't mean "should" fire on the move. Though when pilot-in-flight munitions become a reality this'll have an even bigger advantage over things like the Archer.';

'>>61586646
yeah';

'>>61585348
Totally makes sense to install some APS on top, ain't it? guranteed no infantry around to worry about explosion effects, and enemy would definitely try to use some drones to kill it.';

'>>61589073
its more mobile than both caesar and archer
quicker to fire and to leave
because there is no packing up';

'>>61589183
so wont need aps';

'>>61586406
of course you're right. the point of the gimmicky "shooting on the move" demonstration is to show that there is no setup time besides coming to a halt and they can hit the gas the very second the shell leaves the barrel. the archer needs almost a minute to stop, shoot and start moving again.';

'>>61589190
Even if it did, you could just have one of those laser equipped SHORAD vehicles tag along a squad of them and they'd be fine
>>61588589
The real amazing capability of these SPAAGs is that they'd be able to network and work on automation. You could effectively fly a stealth drone, a spotter drone or something like an F-35 and just call in like 10 or so of these fuckers from across a frontline to do attack.
Since they are also able to move quickly while on attack (at worst only stopping for a handful of seconds to shoot) they're also able to act in a much more offensive role as long as they've got spotters.';

'>>61585503
Looks very Battletech-y';

'we will find out';

'>>61586406
>I don't care what kind of Krautmetall copium you are huffing, you can't stabilize a 9 meter long barrel while moving on realistic terrain and expect to be accurate at long range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGzRfvgnS_s';

'>>61593656
The beer sways visibly in the pint, thus verifying that anon's argument.';

'>>61585968
>I love that they just look like a naval turret stuck to a boxer
KV-2 were naval turret on a tank if I remember';

'>>61588121
Needing to wait until the computer accept to shoot don't sound like good design to me.
I can imagine
>pull the trigger
>nothing
>still pulling
>nothing
>stop the tank
>it finally shoot
Also even if it look really fast, the time it take for the projectile to leave the cannon would definitely impact it's trajectory and damage the cannon.
It look like a lot of effort for no reason (yet).
If counter-battery happened in 10 second flat, now I guess you'd fucking hurry.

>>61593656
It's impressive but a tank would shoot at much closer target.
Maybe the precision that hold for 4km isn't enough for 20+';

'>>61593880
>It's impressive but a tank would shoot at much closer target.
>Maybe the precision that hold for 4km isn't enough for 20+
Yeah but it showcases that it can be done in some capacity. Really, the RCH-155 only really needs to slow down or stop for a few seconds to take a shot. The barrel won't shake when it's still, only when it's firing that way.';

'>>61593880
Planes have no problem with that approach. A few smart scopes use it too.
Authorize fire, then the computer handles the actual trigger pull timing as soon as you're in a good point.';

'>>61593671
Anon, Leo2s are like 45 years old.';

'>>61585503
They look like a command & conquer unit

>I fight for Deutschland!
>Jetzt geht's los!
>Haubitzen moving out!
>Tell me vhere to go commander!
>Gjaaaaach';

'>>61598238
>Deutschlands finest!';

'>>61597419
Airfighter do not operate in the same context and do not risk losing their target if they shoot too late (on top of the projectile travel time).

I'll only see a need for shooting on the move if counter-battery reach a point where the shot is done as soon the sound allow to triangulate the exact position.
This CAN and WILL happen, but I think we've got a tech generation until it does and it will be superfluous if better detection/shell allow to know where the enemy artillery is anyway and shoot guided shells on moving target.';

'>>61585348
>DUDE';

'>>61588512
>by the time the shell leaves the barrel it will no longer be in the exact correct angle
Of course not, but don't you think they'd calculate the projected movement of the barrel for the few tens of milliseconds it's gonna move before the projectile leaves the barrel? It's not rocket science.';

'>>61589261
>the archer needs almost a minute to stop, shoot and start moving again.
i love how we are now pretending that this isnt good enough';

'the days of gun-arty are over. We must welcome our missile overlords.';

'>>61599934
It eas good enough until something better appeared.';

'>>61599934
It's not.

The Germans and NATO have highly advanced counter battery radars which will locate the locations of artillery within 15 seconds.';

'>>61586231
Those rounds cost like $80-110k each.';

'>>61599934
If we can't beat ourselves then it's not good enough';

'>>61600362
And then you have to
>provide a battery with a target
>let said battery prepare, load and fire
>account for flight time';

'>>61601385
To be fair, as a stratego I would have a battery dedicated to counter artillery so the other ones wouldn't be bothering about it';

'>>61601385
>seconds
>already done
>fair enough';

'>>61585348
>fresh out the oven';

'>>61602236
-.-';

'>>61602236
Yea the production line won't be finished until later in the year and the first 35 are earmarked for Ukraine';

'>>61599741';

'>>61593880
>Needing to wait until the computer accept to shoot don't sound like good design to me.
It's a proven concept and currently in use.
Then again, the real question is if you actually need to fire on the move when you can just stop - fire - drive in 10 seconds.';

'>>61589047
Boy do I have the solution for you.';

'>>61586646
The Otomatic was basically this';

'>>61600362
Counter battery radars have to be turned off a lot of the time otherwise they eat ARMs';

'>>61603422
>It's a proven concept and currently in use.
Not that I now of in THAT context and I see no reason why. Even with the delay of shells travel time they need to know when it will actually shot as they are moving.
We are not at a point where we actually need to shoot on the move with artillery.
Tank can shoot on the move and they expect instantaneity as far I know so they can shoot when convenient.';

'>>61585454
This, beeing able to fire on the move wont change anything compared to having to stay still for 10 - 20 seconds to fire... Its not like these things will drive along at 100 km/h blasting away. As usual, krauts built something autistically advanced and expensive they cant mass produce in meaningful numbers...';

'>>61604181
It will tho, artillery could start taking purely offensive roles if it can roll constantly';

'>>61605729
From what we have seen in Ukraine so far, pretty much all vehicles stop to fire, including western MBTs and IFVs, so I doubth Ukrainians will mad max around in this shit. Also, what do you mean by purely offensive roles?';

'>>61585503
Looks like a Stryker MGS and a 5" gun from a Burke got drunk one night and made themselves a semi-retarded child.';

'>>61585348
>move & shoot
Stabilise the gun and have a modern fcs; it's good now!';

'>>61604181
It can absolutetly be mass produced in large numbers, that's the whole point of the Boxer platform';

'>>61585348
Russians can't even counter shoot and scoot platforms, so this will do very well.
The asshurt about on-the-move fire is already flaring up, while the only thing we know is that it can do this at a maximum of 30 km/h, with no information about precision.
This system is obviously not made with saturation fire in mind, considering how little ammo it carries.
So the smartest way to use it obviously is to stuff it full of Excalibur, Vulkan, Smart and such, driving closer to the frontline than other tube artillery pieces and raining GPS and otherwise guided munitions down on the Russians without becoming a target.';

'>>61606074
Bridge layer has a bit of that sdkfz vibe desu';

'>>61606074
tfw 9 out of 16 proposed variants exist or in their final trial phases.
feels good man';

'>>61598238

Lol

Gjaaaach?';

'>>61606074
>no CT40
into the trash';

'>>61606074
Why does a battlefield ambulance have a HMG?';

'>>61585348
that's a big gun';

'>>61606883
it shoots healing bullets';

'>>61606074
Insane how these things are supposed to work on networking and automation at some point too. Down the line these will almost literally be IRL RTS units';

'>>61607049
Rafael is even working on an Iron Dome Boxer';

'>>61606883
Nobody gives a shit about the whole "protective symbols" thing any more. Medics and ambulances are targets all the same to most adversaries so they now carry self-defence armament';

'>>61607077
There is also a laser variant.
>New versions of the well-established Skyranger turret have also been developed, the latest utilising a lighter turret with a 30 mm revolver cannon, AMMR (AESA Multi-Mission Radar) S-band radar, an optical-electronic station FIRST (Fast Infrared Search and Track) system, a High Energy Laser (HEL), and a twin missile launcher.';

'Old demonstration that it took less than one minute to fire four rounds in less than minute and then to get the fuck out.';

'>>61607950
How silly:

https://x.com/nicholadrummond/status/1428431552015388676';

'>>61607954
>>61607950
It's also firing on the move here, so if it's able to keep a semblance of accuracy while doing so (or at least get earmarked the guided artillery) then it'll be pretty much the go-to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQNxSl-ylk';

'>>61608944
>>61607954
Fuck off nicholas, you literall shill.
Boxer a shit program, a total export, order failure by little numbers procured, total clusterfuck between r&r and delivery time, different versions between users (A1, A2, A3), models amended to a lesser function (duch using engineer as apcs with just 6 dismounts or the AUS amended order causing Germany to have to acquire them from Australian production line). Costs have inflated to like 6 mil a piece, the platform modularity is not as useful in these little numbers and variants and lastly these, and in particular the AGM module especially makes no sense on a wheeled platform that should at best be secondary. RCH will have little personnel, shitty capacity, requires larger support structure etc.';

'>>61608944
love the random Hunter Killer feature they added';

'>>61608944
it looks like the chassis is way too light for the gun, that thing had maxed out its rear suspension on the first shot';

'>>61609210
>like new tech
>YOU MUST BE A SHILL
If you don't like the boxer then elect a government that'll try to request it on a tracked platform instead lol';