'>>61586611
RC2 for reference';

'>>61586611
kek, absolutely embarrassing. Even better given that like 3 weeks ago or something people were shilling it hard in a suppressor thread and shitting on hux and cat options.';

'>>61586611
>hay guys that flow thing seems pretty popular!
>how about we
>take the flow556
>keep the bad parts and make them worse
>not have the good parts
>make it heavier
>for just double the price!
Now that's the Surefire Experience™ their top customers demand!';

'>>61586747
Dont forget
>You can only use one designated muzzle device or it will throw fireballs';

'>>61586638
>>61586611
>hearing damage vs. hearing damage
>ur totally btfo'd
AR kiddies are a funny bunch.';

'>>61587046
>and it's a shitty one
But also was kinda including that under "bad parts and make them worse", the flow does spark somewhat on SBRs the way most titanium cans do, and it does require a proprietary attachment (one of a couple of their muzzle devices). But hux's ones are actually quite good, even if ideally they'd be open, and CAT does almost as well with HUB compatible options. Surefire took the proprietary thing, but then reduced options, made it far shittier, and had the thing be an actual fireball with wrong device not just some sparking.

Frankly though not really surprised, kinda feels like this is how a lot of big old companies go particularly with government contracts. They come up with something quite good at one point with real engineers, and maybe iterate it some, but at some point they go into milking mode and stop further innovation and indeed lose the institutional ability to do so. High performing people leave, MBAs take over more and more, and gradually competitors catch up, and then blaze right past them. Then they're coasting on brand, memes, and contracts.';

'>>61587117
so sorry all the noise has permanently damaged your brain anon :( :( :(';

'>>61587150
what? I can't hear you! I bought this can for my 5.56 AR and shot it without hearing protection!';

'>>61587165
and yet you're eager to shoot it without hearing protection or a can (you don't own) lmao
>excuse me anon MY guns are range toys ONLY not for problematic home defense or hunting and I don't own any land either so THERE SIR
oh my bad anon my deepest apologies I didn't know';

'>>61586611
This test is on a 10.3 inch barrel
>>61586638
While this test is on a 14.5 inch barrel


I don’t doubt the RC3 is worse than the RC2, that would seem pretty par for the course, but I would like to see them tested like for like.';

'>>61587201
I know you have unbelievably thin skin whenever anyone points out how fucking stupid you are, but you'd seem less stupid if you shut up more.';

'>>61587233
>1686675293090.jpg
>look i'm (totally me) at the range!
hahaha look at that fucking seethe';

'>>61587243
are you done being a blibbering imbecile, or are you really this pathetically retarded?';

'>>61587207
Not OP, he fucked that one up, but looks like they did actually retest the RC2 on the same 10.8 system too. Didn't change the overall composite but did change the details particularly at the ear with the warcomp. Here it is for comparison.';

'>>61587262
>melanoma on the thumb
yikes, yeah I'll stop mocking your stupidity anon, shitting on cancer patients is not cool.';

'>>61587276
>uhhhh I'm not a fucking retard!
I deny your groveling change of topic, worm.
you are a fucking retard for thinking having a gun that will damage your hearing is so much better than a gun that will damage your hearing. you are either accepting hearing damage, or wearing earpro.
>no really, in my tactical larp fantasy I need the permanent damage threshold to go from 1 round to .89 rounds!!!1!1!
this thread is just brandwhoring, you may as well argue which superhero movies are better.';

'>>61587262';

'>>61587355
oh noooo I'm so scared!!!!! ahhh don't heckin uhh,
ummm
hmm.
yeah, whatcha gonna do with them, dipshit? go ahead and describe your revenge fantasy about being assblasted on the internet.';

'>>61587313
No, you're retarded for not understanding how any of this works. The maximum theoretically possible perfect earpro is around 40dB at ~2kHz. Doubling up does not help with this at all. In practice nobody achieves that, NRR ratings top out around 32, and that still requires perfect fit and no mistakes. An unsuppressed SBR like being tested here has a peak around 171 dB. Even with the best earpro, you're getting a lot of noise exposure if you shoot it much, particularly indoors or around any other hard surfaces. Suppressors double up perfectly because they're reducing base noise. Taking off 40-60 is much better then 20-40. On top of that:
- This is worst case. It'll be much quieter with the 16"+ barrels most have.
- Some people care about home defense not just range toys. Maybe you have earpro on hand and time to put it on, maybe not. Even for a few shots, going down to 140 something is better for you then 170+.
- Some people rarely or never use ranges, but shoot on their own or public land. Suppressors are polite/needed with neighbors and other users.
- Some people go hunting with dogs. It's still too loud ideally, but it's much better. Like giving the dog basic earpro.

This is all frankly pretty obvious stuff to anyone who shoots outdoors. That it never occurred to you says more about you then anything.';

'>>61587207
cope>>61587273
>pay $2000 for a worse product
are surefiretrannies the appleniggers of the gun c*mmunity?';

'>>61587390
>Even for a few shots, going down to 140 something is better for you then 170+.
wow, there's a 30db difference between the cans?!
or do you just struggle with reading comprehension?
this whole thread is
>ohhhhh suppressor 1 btfo'd suppressor 2
>how will suppressor 2 ever recover?!
>it's so heckin ogre for that brand!!1!1!!1
Which is obvious to anyone who graduated middle school, which seemingly excludes you.';

'>>61587379
you are logged now....."current" citizen.

kiss your puppy before bed kiddo.';

'>>61587423
I'm just quaking in my boots.';

'>>61587420
>it's good pay far more money for something worse
Holy shit this is what the brain broken surefire fag has come down to.';

'>>61587434
ok now we know you own boots too....tell us more so we can prep for your raid';

'>>61587420
>t.';

'>>61587440
I own a silencerco, a Silencer Central and an AB, my point is brandwhoring is for fucking serotonin addled zoom-brained lobotomites. especially when in no realistic use case does the aforementioned difference in performance matter at all because of the choice of caliber.
>But the HECKIN nummmmbbbbbeeerrrrssss!
Don't really change much in the
>fucking loud as shit vs. Fucking loud as shit
Range';

'>>61587434
we have searched your records and will be rounding up your husband at work as well.

learn op sec buddy, next your going to admit you have a 9mm pistol!';

'>>61587420
>>61587473
>RC3: worse in all ways. $1700
>literally $500 more then any of the top options
>easily beaten by polonium 30 can that costs $530 total
>you are absolutely melting down and defending this
whew';

'>>61587473
Anon you're the one here screaming about how people wanting better performance for less money is bad. If you hate capitalism so much by all means just go with your feels.';

'>>61587501
>brand A (or D whichever we are on at this point), can't you see my dick riding?!
>death to brand B and behead all brand C supporters!
it's all shit because you are comparing deafening rifles to deafening rifles. this isn't some gotcha moment because 5.56 (particularly in ARs) is dogshit at suppression.';

'>>61587523
I haven't mentioned support or recommendation of a single 5.56 can and never will none of them reduce sound signature enough to allow you to shoot without hearing protection so it's irrelevant. none will stop you from getting hearing damage with them, all help a lot if you are wearing ear pro.
that cognitive state is beyond your capacity, but just try and imagine being rational.';

'>>61587599
>I haven't mentioned support or recommendation of a single 5.56 can and never will none of them reduce sound signature enough to allow you to shoot without hearing protection so it's irrelevant.
No, it's not as was explained to you. You keep insisting that this is the only thing that matters, because you're a genuine retard. We can't help with that part. Hint: earpro doesn't make guns hearing safe either.';

'>>61587615
hes also wrong anyway since his dumb shit mind couldn't grasp the part about this being on 10" barrel vs 16" or 20"';

'>>61587541
>15 db literally makes no difference stop worrying about it!
this reminds me of the consolefag cope';

'honestly this is a healthy sign. every niche thing has to go through this phase where nobody is reviewing it seriously and it's just lore and marketing then finally someone sheds some light. audio had this phase like a decade and a half ago or something. there is still garbage but you can get good stuff too. and companies that just coasted got roasted. competition is good.';

'>>61587262
You should really get that mole checked. Better hope its a atypical mole than something precancerous or cancerous.';

'why now. fucking cat';

'>>61587420
You buy rc2s, mini2s, and if your a real chad a MICRO. Flow through is a meme designed and gear torwards not fighting in peer to peer, worse flash, worse noise, & gas blow back still exists. Ever hear about the Delta P cans that were the first 3d printed cans with flow through? Theres a reason you never see or hear about those 10 years later... Rc3 is for the brain rotted.';

'>>61590856
>torwards not fighting in peer to peer
holy larperator (and also wrong and retarded';

'>>61590856
You dont hear about delta P because they were purchased for the NGSW program and are mired in development hell.';

'>>61593343
I think it's probably just dead anyway. Anything from that long ago is obsolete, advances in practical CFD and 3d laser sintering tech in the last decade have been significant. It's possible to have better and worse flow through same as better or worse conventional, 10 year old flow is going to be shit compared to modern stuff.';

'>>61593582
Its been redesigned several times over the course of the ngsw program anon, per GD/TrueVelocity';

'>>61587273
Thank you.';

'>>61593737
Yeah but GD/TV lost unfortunately and thus the chub is still probably dead. And I still doubt it'd be very interesting or useful to the civilian market at this point anyway unless it was middle priced.';

'>>61586611
Really crazy thing is to realize this is all only beginning. 3D print is still in its earliest stages. 4-day wait times are gonna bring in tons of new players and heat up competition big time, and exert a downward pressure on pricing. Manufacturers will no long be able to count on 6+ months or orders before anyone normal can get their hands on them and actually start to report back. Shakeups are going to be awesome.';

'ya like putting that up ur butt';

'so its a fleshlight n a dildo. ya fucking faggots put that shit away';

'>>61595094
>>61595311
Seething nocans sure have an obsession with anal sex.';

'I dont think this is gonna last forever. all the newbies backlogged everyone from before the website "crash". get ur cans and support biden while u can';

'>>61595711
>I dont think this is gonna last forever.
You don't think what will? Fast approvals? There's no particular reason a purely electronic system shouldn't be damn near instant for most people without a name issue, it's just an extra layer over NICS at this point.';

'That eForm site is still on 90s software. we'll see how it turns out

Anyone trilug their 9mm can onto a 22lr host with trilug? Might skip a 22 can';

'>>61596241
>That eForm site is still on 90s software
lol wut. They didn't even have eForms for this stuff until last year. Feds have actually done a ton of modernizing on the web last few years, with unified modern login and such.

More importantly, site also has nothing to do with the backend which is what actually matters, but the ATF doing electronic anything for the NFA isn't remotely decades old. We're not talking finance/taxes or air traffic control or whatever where they started on IBM mainframes 50 years ago.

Guess sure, in principle nothing for sure prevents it from going up again, but it's been like two months at this point since times plummeted and unlike last time it's held, the flood of demand hasn't overwhelmed the system at all. And the longer that goes on the more people will come to expect it. The change they made to double FIFO seems like a fundamentally good one.';